Somewhere in the Skies - Cosmic Frequencies LIVE in Hexham UK | UFOs, Aliens & the Paranormal

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

You get a front row seat from Cosmic Frequencies 2025, where UFOs, space science, and sonic art collided under Northumberland’s dark skies. Recorded live at the Forum Cinema Hexham, this episode captures the festival’s most exciting moments. Alongside Ryan, you'll hear from Steve Crabtree, Emmy-nominated filmmaker and producer for the BBC. You'll also hear from astronomer, Dan Pye, from the Kielder Observatory. Together, they take part in a fascinating Q&A with the live audience as well. From UFOs and UAPs to SETI, astrophysics, and consciousness, this episode brings you inside the conversations shaping the future of cosmic exploration and beyond! Special thanks to Nicole Skeltys, Bill Garrett, Mike Evans, and to the locals and those who traveled to Hexham for the event. Learn more at: www.cosmicfrequencies.org Please take a moment to rate and review us on Spotify and Apple. ANOMACON 2025: http://www.anomacon.com Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Email: [e-mail] Discord: https://discord.gg/NTkmuwyB4F Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ryansprague.bsky.social Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomewhereSkies Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/somewhereskiespod/ Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryansprague51 Order Ryan’s new book: https://a.co/d/4KNQnM4 Order Ryan’s older book: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Store: http://tee.pub/lic/ULZAy7IY12U Proud member of SpectreVision Radio: https://www.spectrevision.com/podcasts Read Ryan’s articles at: https://medium.com/@ryan-sprague51 Opening Theme Song by Septembryo Copyright © 2025 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #CosmicFrequencies #UFOs #UAP #HexhamUK #SETI #Paranormal #Astrophysics #SciFi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Terms apply. It said everything happens for a reason, but maybe everything happens for a recesses. Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to heightened taste? Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a Reese's. Get ready for Anomicon 2025. It's a free virtual conference live streaming on September 20th, on YouTube, Twitch, X, and Facebook. Created by Ryan Sprague of the Somewhere in the Skies podcast, Anomicon unites unique voices from academia, science, and entertainment. Join us for discussions on UFOs, the paranormal, cryptids, conspiracy theories, and all things anomalous. Hear from amazing speakers like actor Michael Ian Black, astronomer Dr. Beatrice Villareal, marine biologist Shiana Stingas, UFO researchers, Peter Robbins, and Christina Gomez, and so many more.

Plus, our Master of Ceremonies, podcast legend Jim Harold, will guide us through the day. Anomicon kicks off at 11 a.m. Eastern Standard Time and runs all day and night. Subscribe to the Somewhere in the Sky's YouTube channel or visit Anomicon.com to learn more. Once again, that's anomacon.com. Anomicon. Getting to the heart of life's mysteries, one discussion at a time. Spectrevision Radio. While our government's official position is not to speculate on this subject, we can choose to let our minds explore other possibilities.

To use our imaginations, for if we consider that astro-scientists agree on one point that the possibility of life elsewhere is not only quite probable, some feel that is there without a doubt. Let us suppose them that these objects are real space vehicles, extraterrestrial origin, and not an illusion of the mind. I'm Ryan Spray and you are now Somewhere in the Skies. Hey, what's going on guys, Ryan here and welcome to Somewhere in the Skies. I recently had the opportunity to be a guest speaker at the first ever cosmic frequencies event in the town of Hexham in Northumberland, England. It was a weekend full of live music, salon discussions, movie screenings, and a special lecture series. In this lecture series, our first speaker,

was Dan Pye, an astronomer from the Kielder Observatory, who spoke on the science of the cosmos and the possibilities of extraterrestrial life. I then gave a talk which focused on the human side of UFO events and how the aftermath of a sighting or encounter can fundamentally change a person in many different ways. Then we had a talk from Emmy-nominated BBC producer Steve Crabtree, who shared some of his work with BBC Horizon and his work on the Netflix series, Three Body Problem. The day's talks culminated into a very thought-provoking Q&A discussion with Dan, Steve, myself, and our live audience. It was moderated by Cosmic Frequency's founders and hosts Nicole Skelty's and Bill Garrett. So today, you're going to hear each of our presentations in the fascinating Q&A that we had after.

Just a warning, the audio isn't perfect, but you'll get used to it as time goes on. And if visuals are referenced in the talks, I would strongly suggest checking out our Spotify video version or our YouTube version of this episode for the full effect. My special thanks goes out to Nicole and Bill and the incredible team behind cosmic frequencies, and to all the locals and those who traveled into Hexum to come to the event. It was an incredible honor to take time. part and I can't wait to return next year. To learn more about cosmic frequencies, be sure to visit cosmic frequencies.org. And be sure to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts and rate us on Spotify. If you're watching on YouTube, hit that like button and subscribe as well. Thank you so much. And I hope you enjoy this exclusive experience from cosmic frequencies, live from Hexham, England.

Well, welcome, everybody. Thank you very much indeed for coming to Cosmic Frequency in Exxon. That was the music of SKX Funkanauts. We will have more of them later in the show. My name is Bill Garrett. I'm your master of ceremonies, pusher of buns, general producer of the show with my two fine colleagues, Mike Evans and Nick O'Skelty. So it's kind of being run on a budget, so we hope they're doing quite well. Again, thank you very much indeed in trusting us and coming to the show. We have a stellar cast of people to talk about this subject area of the existential question, are we alone in the universe, and have they come and visitors? So, we hope you will be enlightened. There are no solid answers to these questions. All we can do is provide you

with some information and a very wide-ranging perspectives on this. subject. There you go. So I think this is a really good place to start actually by looking at the scale of the universe and just looking at the sheer size of everything that were contained within. And I can make this talk really, really short actually, just by saying something such as space is just big. And that would be it. More, I'll give you more. Give me one second. Space is... This. No, I'm joking. I think a really good place to start

whenever we're talking about the scale of the universe is probably just by looking at our local environment to the universe. And the good place to start with that is with our sun. This image was taken by... Well, it wasn't taken, it was drawn. Galileo back in the 1600s and I love it because you can see some features and this was

really the first time that anybody had confidently suggested to the entire world that the sun was a physical entity spherical with features. It was really pioneering the idea that the song was a central piece of our universe at the time. We were on this vessel going around this object. The first time that it was starting to be accepted by the matter, the masses and arguably you could say this is when astronomy first became a subject. Prior to this everything was a little bit more philosophical, a little bit more spiritual in some cases and we can go down the roots of talking about astrology, but I'm not going to do that right now instead. I want to talk about just the sheer size of our sun to begin with is absolutely ginormous.

About 109 times the width of our planet just under a million miles wide. And you could fit inside of our Sun, inside of its volume, about 1.3 million of our little planet Earth. And you can see just against the rest of the planets in the solar system, just how big this object is. In fact, if you got all of those planets there and all of the other stuff that you can see in the solar system, all of the mass of our solar system, and you made it into a big pile, the Sun would still be 99.86% of your pile of stone. the Sun is overwhelmingly the most massive objects in our solar system. And it all started life inside of a ginormous gas cloud.

It's very different to the planets. The planets are going around our Sun. The big distinguishing difference is that this thing came first as a result of a big stellar nursery, such as what we're seeing here, this year is the Eagle Nebula, arguably one of the most famous nebulas taken in the mid-90s, by the Hubble Space Telescope, these beautiful pillars of creation, as they often get called as well. And inside of a big cloud or a cloud complex such as this is where stars start to form. And the reason why stars start to form is often because of gravity.

So really, just talk about gravity for a second, because I think gravity, we often get taught about gravity as if it was a kind of mythical, magical thing that happens that keeps us on the ground apples fall out of trees because of gravity but actually what gravity is is a more it's more of a distortion of space when you put something in it so if you imagine the vacuum of space with nothing in it a lion would just go straight through it until you come along and you put some mass in that universe and then what would happen is that line would start to bend around that object. It distorts space, does introduce mass into it. So now if you imagine, if you're a little hydrogen atom,

your little hydrogen atom has mass. And the area around it has been distorted. So if something comes too close to that, it's going to fall into it. Just like we're going to be falling into our planet, because our planet is distorting space. We're falling into our planet right now. Now if you've got another hydrogen atom that should come along, well the two of them, if they get too close, those little wells that are now being created over that, and they'll fall towards each other.

Well, they don't want to stick to each other. The hydrogen atoms, they hate each other. They're a little bit like, it's like trying to get panders to make it. It's not going to happen. They hate each other. You've got to reinforce them together, and so what happens here is you get maybe two hydrogen atoms that are really close, and then another one drifts by, at the right moment. that it gets dragged in, and then another one gets dragged in, and then more and more, more, more and more. There's more and more and more hydrogen atoms to get in the mass in this little area,

the more and more the well is starting to increase, more and more starting to get pulled into this mess, and so it reaches a point whereby there's so much stuff now trying to stick together, fall into each other, the pressure right in the very centre is incredible enough to be able to fall. You said this place was steps from the water.

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It continues to fuel our sun is hydrogen fusion. A phenomenal rate, in fact. This process happens in phenomenal quantities every second. About 400 million tons of hydrogen is served to about 396 million tons of heat them every single second in our sun, which is a strange number because we're putting in some hydrogen and getting out heat. but we're getting less helium out when we do that. And as a result of that, 4 million tons, the mass has disappeared in that whole equation we did there.

So where's that gone? That becomes energy. It's the energy that we can see, the light that we can see. And our sun will go on to create more elements in the periodic table, and that's kind of the job of a sun is to produce elements in the periodic table. But not to dwell too much on the physics of all of this right now. I'm going to go back to talking about scale.

We'll just give you an example of what's going on in our locality and what these things are that we're going to be talking about here. So that's how it's. Okay. There's a lovely picture of it. And you get to see these incredible features. I love this video, these incredible bands of light coming out of our sun. It's an incredible beating heart of our solar system.

The problem is with spaces, that everything is just sort of, unbelievably far away. Our son's 93 million miles away from us. The moon is quarter of a million miles away from us. And even when you put it on the screen here, look to scale, that's a really long way. And we send people there back in the 60s and the 70s, all that way to the moon.

People always say to us, Dan, why have we not gone back to the moon since the 70s? This is really far. And much is fuel. It's really expensive to get these things to the moon. And there's not much going on this. But then when we start to expand away from our sun into the rest of the universe, the numbers become really, really uncomfortable.

And so I've armed each of you, or hopefully, on many of you, with a bouncy ball. And this is when your bouncy ball comes in use for. Please don't throw it at me. You can later if you want to. Well, your bouncy ball is 24 millimeters in diameter. This is your little personal sun. And I want you just to keep up hold of your little personal son for a second. All of these stars that we see on the screen right now,

this incredible structure here that we see in the middle of the Milky Way galaxy that we've been inside of. All of those stars, their sons, just like our son, just really, really far away. And we did actually get taught this in the 90s actually by far. Things in the distance, they're just smaller, right? They're just really, really, really, really, really far away. So how far away are these objects?

Well, your little sun's 24 millimeters. On that scale, if we shrank the sun down to the size of your little 24mm sun that you've got there, on that scale, the Earth would be about 2.6 metres away from the sun on that scale. Whereas if we moved a little bit further away from the Earth and went to somewhere such as Pluto, well for Pluto, we'd have to go a little bit further than this room. In fact, we'd have to go all the way over to Tesco, about 106 metres away on that scale. Well, what about to the nearest star? The nearer star is 4.24 light years away. Light years, one light year is a unit of measurement of 6 trillion miles. 4.24 of those on that scale would push you way beyond the boundaries of the UK, across to somewhere in the region of Luxembourg.

That's where our nearest star would be on that scale with the sun just being 24 millimeters wide. Well, what about even further away than that? Well, I had to change the animation, actually, when I got to the scale, I had to switch to a different piece of software. If we must move outside of our galaxy and go to somewhere such as the Andromeda Galaxy, our nearest neighboring galaxy,

that would be way beyond the confines of Earth, way way out there somewhere in the asteroid belt on that scale and the galaxy itself would be about one hundred sorry 12200 times the size of the sun so much you know little sun there times in it by 1200 that would be an approximate size of things okay so things are really really big out there and around each of these suns is planets something that was theorized back in the 1500 in fact by this chap here. His name is Giudano Bruno. He is quite a trailblazer at the time. He believed in some incredible things. Bear in mind this was before we got comfortable with the sun being the centre of the year, the universe at the time. This chap was saying all of the

stars in the night sky, their suns with planets going around them, just like Earth goes around the sun. You can imagine how popular he was in the 1500s for this. We travelled across Europe kicked out of practically every country that he visited until he eventually went back to Italy. God knows why, but he was gossed back somehow. And then in the year 1600, he was dragged out into Campo de Fiore in Rome, tied upside down to a pole and set fire to. Just because he thought that there was other planets going around other sons. Can you imagine that kind of persecution anyway?

It turns out he was right, wouldn't he? We can find that out until 1992 though. And now we found about 6,000 of these things orbiting around other star systems. So now the kind of structure of the universe, if you like, is you've got suns with planets going around them. Is there bigger structures? Yes, there is.

And it was a local astronomer who really started to pioneer this. And you've kind of had a glimpse of this bit already. This here is Thomas Wright. He was from Bishop Auckland in County Durham. And Thomas Wright said, when I look up in the night sky, you imagine what night sky would have been like back in the 1700s, which is when he suggested this. Amazing, everybody would have had a dark sky in their back on.

And he said, I think this band of light that I can see in the sky, I think this is actually an island of stars that we live inside of. One filled with billions and billions of stars. And he turned it in an island universe, which went on to influence the works of Emmanuel Kant. And then he suggested that I think there's other island universes out there as well. And it turns out he was absolutely right. If you look around our planet, you can see the structure that surrounds us this band of light.

We're inside of the Milky Way galaxy, obviously it's a island universe. This flat disk-like plane of stars filled with about 400 billion stars, and our sun is just one of those. And this entire structure is about 100,000 light years in diameter. So, again, 100,000 times 6 trillion. That's your distance in miles there. This thing is absolutely ginormous. So what about that other place as well?

Other island universes? Well, they do exist. But we didn't get to know that they existed until about 100 years ago. When somebody, quite famous chap by the name of Edwin Hubble, he's got a telescope named after him. if you're not familiar, found that this thing is outside of our own little island universe, the Andromeda galaxy.

And it took an image of the Andromeda galaxy, which I think is amazing. And when we start to zoom into this image, it was such a high-resolution image. You can see all these little tiny dots that are on the screen right now. Each one of those is a star inside of this galaxy over here. A galaxy filled with about maybe half a trillion stars in it. this thing is absolutely ginormous and that's just one of well many galaxies out there and it's in this

image right here the lighting in this room doesn't do any justice but it really jumps off the screen when you when you put a circle around it like that so there it is quite hard to spot you can't see with the naked eye it's an incredible structure but just one of trillions and trillions and trillions of galaxies which occupy our universe almost a countless number we don't know where it ends We have only the evidence as far back as we can physically see. And beyond that, we can't see anything. But one thing that we can see is that structure starts to develop an incredible web-like shape where things are clustered together on what starts to look a little bit like the neural pathways of a brain.

And I think that's really quite intriguing. And that's it. We have one very quick question for you now. Your context of your presentation is very much about the enormity of the universe and our very small place in it. We have started to, as a scientific exploration pitch, understood that there are exoplanes. I think the closest is about 4.6 million in light years or like that, correct? In your view, as a professional astronomer, are we in a position to understand that we are alone or we are unique? It's a really hard question because, yeah, everybody argues with each of the beauty of sciences and to the professional scientific realm.

Using the word professional astronomer is a very inaccurate word to use. accurate words you use for me and certainly not that but the the scientific realm is well known for its arguments its debates and its very contrasted views and there are people who think that there is a likelihood that there could be life somewhere else which is very similar to us because the numbers statistically make it feasible and I think that's the only way that you can really comfortably start to work through that is to look at the numbers and look at the statistic possibility of it. But certainly the way that I find it more comfortable,

and I'll give you one statistic on that, which is that when you look at the rest of the universe around us, there's about 100,6 billion stars that we can see. And that number is so big, it's got 22 zeros on the end of it. And the number, to give you some context on that, is about 10 times the amount of grains of sand that we think occupy our little planet here, there or thereabouts.

It's very rough maths. And so 10 times the amount of grains of sand on our planet, that's how many stars there are. And then you could say, well, okay, out of all of stars, which ones could be habitable, which ones are like our sun. And you can start to windle down those numbers. And then you can say which is in the habitable zone,

which actually I don't think is a place that we're going to find life. in our solar system, to be honest, next. And I think it will be found. So even the numbers start to lose sense at some point as well. Do you think the Drake equation, that's right to remind anybody who is not familiar with Drake equations, this was an equation created in the 1970s

by a group of very prominent scientists and astronomers, astrophysicists, who sat down and tried to calculate what is the possibility of life within our galaxy now that was a very blunt equation they came up with some really quite deep assumptions do you think in the last 50 years the the profession of astrophysicists and scientists and astronomers would now look at that equation and say okay we need to rethink it it's probably now we see that the uniqueness that has created life on this planet is probably much more complex and therefore the Drake equation may now need to be resolved you think that's a point yeah definitely I

think when you've got something that's 50 years old in science it is absolutely well out of days I mean we haven't even discovered exoplanets at that point arguably and so there's yeah that that should be looked at again and it probably is looks out again in fact I can't think of whether I was off the top of my head but yeah it should be okay thank you very much Dan cool okay we present to take the stage please Rasmag is an author and podcaster what you're going to say is going to be quite mind-ending it is for me uh hi my name is is Ryan Sprigg, as Phil mentioned. I host a podcast called Somewhere in the Skies about

UFOs. I've been hosting the podcast for almost a decade at this point. I remember when I first started it. I didn't think I'd make it past five episodes. We're now up to about 450, and it's been a wild ride from there. I've authored three books on the subject of UFOs, two of which are currently being taught in universities in the United States. I often go on television shows, ancient aliens, mysteries decoded, things like this, to try to lend credibility to this often ridiculed topic of UFOs. Before I kind of start my talk,

I'd love to know from you guys how many people here have seen or believe they've seen something in the sky, cannot explain. That's awesome. Okay. All right. That went well. I was a little nervous. So when it comes to what I call my uphology, as it were, I'm not a scientist. I'm very happy that we have the scientists here to show you what is possible out there. And that lends credibility to the work that I do, and that is dealing with people. When I'm not doing UFOs, as I call it. I am a playwright. I spent over a decade in New York City. My place has been produced all over the world. And when I first became a playwright, the first thing you learn

is that your character is in your play. It must be one of the most pivotal moments in their life. Otherwise, why are we watching this? And that often comes with some sort of change in aftermath for this person to be fundamentally changed. And that's what I wanted to do when it came to UFOs. I'm not here to convince anyone that aliens are real. I'm not here to even say that UFOs are directly connected to extraterrestrials.

I'm here to show you, like many of you in this room, that everyday people are seeing things they cannot explain in our skies, and it is greatly impacting their lives. So I often look at these individuals almost as a character would, or excuse me, as a playwright would look at a character. This can be a pivotal moment in life-changing experience for many people out there. Now, I have traveled the world interviewing countless people about their UFO experiences. And while I sought to find patterns in this, it was pretty interesting what I did find. And that's that this thing, whatever UFOs are, a million different possibilities for them,

it does change people. And that ultimately would become what I talk about in my books. So today I'm going to take a human approach to the UFO phenomenon for you. And that began with me. I actually had a personal UFO sighting in 1995 in central New York in the US with my father, I was not alone. I was fishing off of a dock, and I looked up into the night sky, and this is what I saw.

It was three perfect, equilateral lights in a triangular formation with a red light in the middle. It was massive. It was low. It was completely silent. And I don't know what it was. I yelled for my father to come outside, where we were staying at our camp at the time,

And he did witness this with me. And we both watched as this craft. I did not see a structured machine, but it was a perfect triangle and I could not see the stars behind it. Neither can my father. So we did believe this was some sort of structured craft, completely silent. We both knew this was not a conventional aircraft

by any stretch. And it just hovered silently over the St. Lawrence River in New York and disappeared on the other side. of the river, which is the border between the US and Canada. I don't know what it was. I'll never know what it was, but it dramatically affected my life. I was a baseball player, thought I was going to go crow.

Instead, I became an eophologist. To my father's dismay, I think. But that's a story for another time. He's coming around since. But yeah, this changed the entire course of my life. They just brought me to this room right now. And ultimately, it also would correlate to hundreds and hundreds of people that I've interviewed

throughout the eight years of my podcast and in my books, somewhere in the sky. So this is just a small example of some of the individuals that I've spoken to who had their lives dramatically changed by a UFO encounter. So what I'm going to do is share a few of these with you. guys today and you're going to hear directly from these individuals about how these events seemingly changed their lives. So the first person I'm going to introduce

you to is Karen Woodhouse. Karen was a warehouse manager for a medical equipment company and he and his brother Cameron were from Halsohn in the West Midlands in England and on April 10th 2013 he and his brother were leaving a rugby practice that they were at. And on the way home, they saw a small pinpoint of light in the sky, and it was running parallel to their vehicle as they were going down the road. And as they kept driving, this thing would follow them. If they slowed down, this point of light would slow down.

If they stopped, this point of light would stop. And as they drove on, the object came closer. and closer to their vehicle and what they eventually would see is what you see up here. It was a perfect black child, almost identical to what I saw in 1995. What fascinated me most about this case actually was not so much the UFO itself and that's going to be kind of a running pattern here. It's not the UFO I find most intriguing. It's the way that it impacts the individual.

the observer of said UFO. That's our buddy, Karen. He would end up telling me about this event when he saw, his brother saw this black triangle. I should point out that my brother and I were absolutely petrified. We were visibly shaking and both crying. It's something I'm not ashamed to admit,

but at the same time, something I can't explain. There was no reason for us to have been crying in this moment, but we were all the same. So this really, you know, as a playwright, a dramatist caught my attention that looking up at this UFO while scared, I'm sure excited, adrenaline, they both just immediately started crying and becoming emotional, looking at this thing. Not the first, I think, reaction that many would have when seeing one of these. So I found that very interesting.

So now what I'm going to do, and again this will be repeated for a few of these other people, you're going to hear straight from here about how this affected him and what he took from this experience and how he integrated it into his life. So during the actual sighting, my brother and I both started crying. We weren't necessarily scared, but we were dealing with something that we didn't know and at the time didn't really understand. So for us, we're both the type of people that if we can deal with an external threat, then we understand what it is and we can deal with it.

But something like this, we didn't know what it was. And the silence of the object was petrifying. That was scary, but, you know, that this object could be so close, so big yet so silent. So we sat there for the few minutes and cried. And eventually when this thing disappeared, we... We started the car back up and headed home and we told our parents. We were both living with our parents at the time. And I think if it was just me, then they maybe wouldn't have believed me as much.

But because my brother, who isn't really into this kind of thing and doesn't really research this kind of thing, he backed me up. And I think that added a little bit of credibility to what we were saying. So since then, we haven't really spoken about it, really. like I say, my brother's not really into that kind of thing. I've continued to research the paranormal and UFOs. So we do talk about that solid things,

but not really about our shared experience. I've never said that this thing was aliens, because I don't know. And it could have been military, it could have been anything, but I can't for sure say that it's extraterrestrial. And I guess, really, if I have to have. have an opinion on what these things are and the UFO subjects as a whole. I believe that they're interdimensional beings and they're operating on frequencies outside

of our perceptive range and we can tune into these frequencies by chance or some people can do it as and when they wish and when we tune into these frequencies we see these paranormal entities be they spirits, UFOs, Bigfoot, anything like that really. So yeah, that's it. That's our experience. It's how it made us feel. It's what it's done to me.

And I guess really, if anybody has a UFO sighting, they should speak out about it and they shouldn't feel afraid to talk about it, although there is a stigma associated with it and people feel that they're going to lose their career or they might be mocked for what they've seen. But I think the world is changing now.

The news is beginning to talk more about it, and it's becoming more mainstream. So I think there's never been a better opportunity for people to be able to talk about what they've seen and their experiences. And the support is out there, particularly through people like Ryan, who is great with this kind of thing.

So if you have seen anything, then do report it. All right. Now, I dramatically underestimated how long these would each date, guys. So I'm going to skip to one of the more sensational cases for you, give you a little taste of that. And we had a case in Germany here. I am, unfortunately, going to have to get to this one for you. But all of these cases can be found in my books, which are available at the BIP meeting after this as well.

I had to do a little plug there. This is Scott Santa. He's a retired post guard in the United States Postal Worker. In the summer of 1974 in Kayapoga Falls, Ohio, at a drive-in movie theater. He and his buddy were getting ready to watch a movie. The entire parking lot was full of cars. All the lights, you know, these big flood lights were on in the parking lot there. The movie was going to start any minute.

And then all of a sudden, all of the lights in this drive-in movie theater went down completely. completely. People try turning on their headlights on their vehicles and nobody's cars would start. We are seemingly talking about dozens and dozens of vehicles. And all of a sudden from out of the forest, which is behind the big movie screen, Scott and allegedly hundreds of other people saw this. They saw this massive Chevron slash boomerang shaped craft hovering over the drive-in movie theater. This thing floated over the parking lot of the area. Again, nobody's cars would start.

All of their engines had seemingly failed at the same time. And once this object went over the parking lot area, it disappeared out of sight. All the lights come back on. People's vehicles start. So you would think at this point people would feel scared, threatened. maybe start leaving the drive-in movie theater or something. No, not a single person left. Scott got out of his car, went to the restroom area of the driving,

waited in line with other people, and nobody was talking about what had just been seen over this parking. He got back to his vehicle, the movie started, they watched the entire thing, and they went home. but not a single person there talked about what had just happened. So I don't know what that means. With a lot of these cases I've come across, there is this almost instant amnesia

that happens to a UFO witness where they see something, and then it just is gone out of their mind. This would lead to some problems for Skype, actually. He would eventually become very isolated. in his life. He was the only one who would eventually remember this happening. After seeing a craft like this on the front of a UFO book, he felt triggered and all the memories started coming back to him. But he could not find anyone else in his town who remembered this happening. He couldn't find his friend who had been with him that night and saw this thing either. And he thought he was crazy. He thought he was crazy.

He became very depressed, very alienated. pretty of the fun. And it took a big toy that he didn't think anyone would ever come forward and say, this happened. You know, I looked in the local newspapers, nothing from the time period when this thing happened either. And then my first book came up. And soon after that, I had somebody reach out to me and tell me, I'm going to try to get to the letter here as I close things up. I read your book during a camping trip last month and I almost dropped it after reading the story about the man at the driving theater. I grew up in Summit County, not too far from the driving. I remember one night in the summer I was in the backyard smoking a cigarette with my sister

and I swear to you, we looked up and saw exactly an object that looked like what the man in your book described. It was very big, pitch black. My sister freaked out and ran inside, but I watched it until it went out of sight. The only difference from what the man saw was that we could see a few white lights on each end of the thing, pointing down at the ground. The light beings were going in motion like they were searching for something.

We thought maybe it was some sort of blimp or a helicopter, but it had no propellers and was silent. I remember it to this day, but when I talk to my sister, she denies it ever happened, which I found interesting. Maybe she didn't remember it happening. But I remember it to this day. Anyway, I thought I'd share this with you because it was so close to where he saw this and where we saw what we did. I know it was the same year because my sister graduated high school that year.

Again, she denies we saw it or she just doesn't remember it, like the man in the book. Either way, if he wants to talk to me about it, you can give him my email. Just wanted to know, I think I saw the same thing. These two are inseparable at this point. They talk constantly, and this response was enough. for him. So if I did anything, I didn't prove aliens existed, but I made this one guy know that he was not alone, possibly searching for something to prove we are not alone. So yeah, I have many other cases, guys, but again, I usually give like an hour lecture and

I put it in this down to 15 minutes, though it was rough for me, but I appreciate your time. The last thing I'll put here for you. Oh, that's a good case. These are the words that stuck out to me in my research, all wondering, insignificant, vulnerable, exposed. Mindlone, love, grateful, amazed, thankful, burning curiosity, trying to make sense to the world, vindication, and the last one, E.

I think this topic, more than anything, when you brush up against it, when you possibly have a UFO setting or whether you're just curious. It gives you a sense of meaning. I don't know what UFOs are. I don't know what UFOs aren't. The United States has admitted they are real, but there's a million questions that come after that.

The UK is not too far behind. Many other countries are now officially investigating UAP or UFOs from a military standpoint. But I do want to show that for every one of those military encounters that you come across on the news, there are hundreds of people just like you, just like me, who are seeing these things, can't explain it and are fundamentally changed by it. People who saw UFO and never had any artistic abilities can now play a guitar out of nowhere, can now make the most geometrically sound art, having no art abilities before that.

These are just a small example of what I've come across in my research. But again, I think these words are something I'd love for you to keep in mind as we kind of continue probing this topic tonight with you guys. And yeah, if you have any questions, I'll be available later on to talk. But thank you for letting me go a little bit more. This episode is brought to you by Welch's Fruit Snacks. Big news for your kids' lunchbox. Welch's fruit snacks are now made without any artificial dyes.

A snack parents can feel good about and the same delicious taste kids can't get enough of. All made with no artificial dyes. Try Welch's fruit snacks today. I think one of the things I've taken away from your talk there is about stigmatization. The idea that an individual feels uncomfortable about discussing their experience for risk of creating a negative view of. themselves. Just explain to me in terms of the people you spoke to, and that's many, whilst you've spoken to, what you, what is that person's experience, what is that situation? Is it relief? Is it comfort? What, what's going on?

So, my partner's going to look at this. You know, I, I spent many days of my life, never admitting I had a UFO setting. I lost many second dates. after saying that I'm a senior researcher. I finally have someone who understands me and supports the work that I do. But for every, it's different for every person, to be honest, but I will say in the past eight to 10 years now, now that this topic has gone more mainstream

and it's more widely accepted, things have changed. People are willing to talk about these things. And just by the sheer example of how many people raise their hands here tonight, that's more than, 10 years ago, nobody was going to admit. So I think the stigma in the ridicule is shedding, and I think it's very important to show that everyday people are having these experiences.

I don't know what it is, but it is changing people in many different ways. Whether that has to do with the UFO itself or not, I don't know. But I always come back to, this topic is more about us than it is what the UFO is. And I do believe that if it is alien, if it is something non-human, it is a mirror looking back at us as human beings.

Right. Thank you very much indeed. Very enlightened. The Somewhere in the Sky's podcast is free to listen to every week. But if you would like to help support the show, we have a very active Patreon page where you give what you think the show is worth. In return, you'll get early access to the main show, bonus episodes, priority to ask our guests your listener questions. Your support truly makes the show continue and grow. So to learn more and to join, visit patreon.com slash somewhere skies. Final but not the least, presenters come forward, Steve Crouchering, is a big-se colleague

of Barney's work together on a documentary series some many years ago, Steve's career, took off much better than mine. She's done it. In engineering, they go. So, Steve is going to discuss with us the perception between science fiction and science fiction. Steve. Cheers, Bill. Right, so why was I'm a sign with a really random picture of that, lovely cheeky lap, and a big picture of a house? Well, I'm Steve. I nearly wasn't Steve, though. I was nearly buzzed, because I should have been born on the day we walked on the room.

And my mom always said she had nothing against her name. Neil, but she would have called me buzzed. And about 10 years ago, it's a really bad picture, but was Aldrin, came into our office in the BBC. I was running a short called Horizon at the time. And I shook his hand and I told him the story, and I ran off and I took a picture at my eye. I literally touched someone who was walking around me.

I ran me about him and said, I just thought Buzz Aldrin and told him that. and told them that I was any cold-bus. It's true, isn't it? And she said, yes, Sting, it's absolutely true. If you'd had me not seven days late, and you would be cold-buzz. So it's right for me now to start with a clip.

So I'm just going to show you out some random clips, or not some of some of the shows I worked on, some of the shows I produced and made. This one isn't what I worked on because it was made in 1969. but I want to put something into context for you which is kind of like what my sort of theme of my talk is so it's a short clip it's from the sky at night which I also used to run I only stopped making the sky at night last year when I left the BBC but just look at this clip and it's not very long but I just think it's amazing we've just had some amazing photographs sent back by the American probe to Mars Mariner 6 you can see some of the dark areas which may be vegetation. Well the question is of course are these

dark areas due to organic matter, vegetation if you like, or are they not? Now what about this all-important question of life on Mars? Do you think that these dark areas are due to anything organic? What do you think about it? Primitive life there may be. I don't even think so. Intelligent life, certainly not. So in other words, do you rather think that Mars is a dead planet? Absolutely dead as a do-do. I suppose one of these things we're going to find out fairly soon. years ago that our technology wasn't good enough to determine whether that was a forest on Mars right it's like I find that my that's within my lifetime the the technology is leapt so massively since then I just I can't watch that because endlessly over and over

again but I'm not going to play it again okay all right so the next thing is for an episode of the start night that I commissioned so I used to to run the sky as well as I said. This is a little interview, just a little click with the man called Doug Barcoach. And he is, he runs an organization called Meti, which is the messaging extraterrestrial intelligence. I thought that, I might have met Doug,

in fact, but he's really super interesting guy. He, his whole thing is that he thinks we shouldn't be waiting for aliens to signal us. We should be sending out signals to them. saying we're here, you can find us everyone. And lots and lots of these quite a controversial figure and lots of people think it is a terrible idea, a really terrible idea to tell aliens that we are here.

In fact, we do, you know, I'll get on to that with a little bit of a little bit. But if you don't know, Doug, he's really super interested in. I've met him once or twice and we did this entire sky at night with him looking at his work and this is just a little bit. This is Professor Doug Varcoach. He's an astrobiologist, and he's trying to communicate with aliens. I have no doubt that aliens have to exist somewhere out there. If there's no one else out there, it would be a miracle.

And I don't believe in miracles. Varkoge spent much of his career working at the SETI Institute, an acronym which stands for the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. But in 2015, he decided to stop waiting for the aliens to come to us. The SETI organizations that exist have avoided the controversy of sending messages into space. And yet, maybe that's what we need to do to make first contact. And so that's how METI International came to be. He is now the president of METI International, which stands for messaging extraterrestrial intelligence.

They use a powerful transmitter to send a signal out into SETI international. space in the hope that aliens will find it and respond. The goal of METI is to establish first contact. We've always assumed the aliens will take the initiative. Maybe it's the audacious young civilization like earthlings who have to reach out to make first contact. He's really interesting, it's really super nice, but what's kind of fascinated is that lots of the people and the organizations who've got technology to allow him to do that walk with him. So he's kind of travels around the world. asking people can I use your telescope to send a signal to this particular star system

or that particular star system and he has quite a hard time doing it but he's really really genuinely super interested he was in a film he was in the about the sky tonight was in another film series that I looked after I lost the plays in the film contact so this is the lady who inspires that that character in Cal Sagan but and then so and what she did in terms of alien and alien communication is really interesting so without giving it away but she was really fundamental in setting up some of the processes that we may need to engage with should we actually meet an alien so I'll let Michelle speak for us. I think that we can begin to take on challenge of first contact if we

think of ourselves as earthlings and and think about the fact that when compared to something else that may have evolved on a planet around a different star, that all of us humans were all the same. A long time ago, back in the 1980s, in the middle of the Cold War, we were worried that if our Soviet colleagues were to make a detection,

that they might not be allowed to tell the world. So we sat down and constructed a set of principles, principles, the kinds of things that you ought to do if you think you found a signal. And so we wrote this document titled Declaration of Principles concerning activities following the detection of extraterrestrial intelligence. It starts out by saying, if you think you've found something, then try and verify it because we actually are mindful of the fact that there could be a deliberate hoax. There are actually not. principles. I think the most important one is number eight. So principle number eight says that if we

detect a signal, that the signatures on this document will not transmit a reply until there's some kind of global consensus on whether we should reply. And if so, who should speak for Earth and what should they say? And that's very high-minded, ethical. and we haven't a clue any more today than we did back then about how you come to such a global consensus. But if indeed there is an international consensus, then I am in favor of sending a reply. I think that we should interact with other intelligence in the cosmos

and try and figure out how we fit in and what's our place in this very large universe. So that was a three-part series and it kind of, if you are a fan of the books or if you know the books, it kind of loosely followed each of the three novels. Everyone you've seen so far in this presentation as being a scientist, actively working in trying to discover alien life, what in one way or the other. But I'm going to end with this clip, the last clip, which is with Sir Sheen-Loo himself, who runs, the three body problem and let's if you don't know his work I highly recommend it but let's just see what he he's kind of like the biggest science fiction writer and I would argue in

the world right now I think Netflix are doing a series of three body problem anyway this is what he thinks we should be or should not be doing I'm sorry I'm just I'm assuming this down because this clip is subtitled and I'm noticing that we're losing the He speaks to Chinese or he's only weak subtitle. I think this is this is should be careful, we're just being very our research,

and I think more is more is the way-being and the way and can't-en-watch this, not will not out of our own our own

the world's with the world's there has there are would be a very good and it will be a very very very a high-and-the-your-hide

he knows at the at the house don't to just be to go to make

to this this is a so this is a so I'll just end with a I've got to read this out because I've got a terrible memory

and this end with a quote from A-a-C-C-clock and again another science fiction writer which I'm sure a lot of you've heard of two possibilities exist either we are alone in the universe or we are not both possibilities are equally terrifying okay thank you very much I think all you are away and the possible we're going to go to a musical interview now I'm like to just ask a

question. I can't pronounce it. Shishinli. Sir Shindi. Sir Shind. That would be correct. But that's right. Okay. A question. He, obviously, with his age, grew up in a China that was a very different China that it is today. A very

close China, a very restrictive China. And although some people argue that politically it's probably no different, the reality is that government control, the narrative and the contact. He takes a very, I would say, conservative view about our choice to attempt to contact the rest of the universe. Do you think that that, in part, having met him and having worked with him, that that may come from an ideology of where he grew up?

Or do you think he honestly, from a free-thinking waiter, has explored that ideology and has said, look at the end of the day we've got a question with me to do this i think the latter in truth because he is i mean he's unbelievably well read he he he he's absolutely got his number one hero all time and he knows his science fiction really really really really really well and a lot of his writings are all based on uh at science papers like he's quite fair like a lot of the books are quite dense because um he's very very scientific so i do i don't think I think, I mean, there's lots of other Chinese fiction, which takes a completely different approach.

That's his, you know. Okay, okay. Okay, so it's not like, yeah. You've got you both benchmarks and measuring him. Yeah, so there's lots, I mean, I threw myself into Chinese science fiction for three years later in that series, I've read a lot, and there's all sorts of new products because it's, you know, in that sense, it's far more often than you like that.

Okay, I mean, the trilogy involves the first book, which has now been turned into an epic series. Do you understand if actually book two and what three, it tends to be turned into series as well? I think they want to try and do them all, but ultimately. But if you like the series, if you are a fun of the series,

I honestly think we should read books because they've changed a lot in the series. Not for the worst, but they're just quite different. Just that's already to turn into drama. Yeah. Okay, so now you've produced three-part series. What I'm really hoping that we can negotiate is that next year we should be able to show notes

because that was a factual version of the book. We need to talk a little bit more about that as we go forward. But the general premise, the general premise of conservatism, do you think that that is something

having the Meti guy is something that is generally across science, which is the way to think of balance it. Do you think people are more like, no, we should try and contact them or not? What's your... I was like, gosh, it's a really good question. I don't know.

One of the themes I was really trying to make in my presentation was that we often hear, in the sort of UFO community, you want to put it like that, but we often hear of cover books and conspiracies and, you know, our people, you know, what do the government's really not? And I guess what I want to show is that there are actually literally thousands of scientists spending millions of pounds looking for evidence. It's not like, they're not covering it, you know, like, it's there. So they're actively doing it.

And the thing with Doug compared to, say, Jill, is, yeah, should we send his signals, should we not? I mean, I think he's quite controversial. I mean, I think more scientists would say that to find that idea. We want to listen. We don't yet want to say. I mean, you know, every, what's the saying about every, so far on earth, every, advanced civilization that's found, less advanced civilization. just decimated it so I'll deal off okay just one sorry one last question on this and I'm

hoping that everybody's been storing up their questions because after the music we're going to go to a short break opportunity to take a comfort break use the bar and we'll come back in our time it we can give it sort of 20 minutes and then it's sorry 15 sorry 15 minutes if you can be back here for the Fenry session with all of our presenters prior to the questions we have actually already a list of questions to do the Mars, so we're going to explore this subject a little bit further. But just looking finally, on that premise about the scientific community, it's a bad idea. Is that because of science says don't waste your energy we need to listen, or is it fair?

I don't know. No idea. I mean, I think, again, in the, in the, in the, in the, relative of the future, what that series was called, we had a scientist who is in the program, who's job. whose job it is is to look at all the high definition photographs that we've now got the moon to try to find alien artifacts on it. That's his job, right? He gets up, pops on university and looks at pictures to try and find alien artifacts. And I'm like, that's what that's the job I want to do, I don't know. I'll look for aliens on the moon. So, honestly, but I don't know, I don't know. I don't know.

That's the truth, but I do know that lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of societies are looking for aliens. All right. Thank you Steve. Okay, that was absolutely fantastic. Start with you. You've seen three other presentations this evening. Yeah. What's your feedback? It was really how I said Steve that that clip of Patrick Moore was incredible. Just to acknowledge for just a few moments that time period was only 56 years ago that we thought that Mars had had life on it still potentially. And I just think that's astonishing that you have people in the room who were alive when we still thought that life was on Mars.

And it still could well be. I don't think we can rule that out. And incredible to hear about the stories as well of all of the different people who've had encounters. And I think it's great to see that there is a community that will acknowledge the people who've had the... experiences and support them with it because so many will dismiss these kind of things and that's just really good to see that I also love that yeah there were real

like the people being touched in a way so I read as I didn't listen to write to write a book on the car on the way off from London yesterday in one goal so I got it's more or less and it's just amazing and it's really I also say it's very beautifully written but what is interesting is other people who have these experiences. I mean, I've been into being unexplained and all of that sort of thing. My entire life, and I've never actually met

more who has had that sort of an experience. So it's kind of a really interesting to go, and here's another, and here's another, and his another, and his three, and he's 17, you all at the same time. You know, I do live, breathe and sleep UFOs. It is my day job, and I feel very fortunate that this thing that fell into my lab when I was 12 years old has become such a passion for so many of that right now, like we said, UFOs are kind of more accepted now more than ever.

But I do go to conferences where I talk to experiences and witnesses. So I live in that world all the time. But to have you guys give your talks and be interested as well, it only strengthens what I do. which I think is really cool. You know, you started with how vast the universe is. You spoke about, you know, the possibilities of if we should make contact, what are the possibilities of making contact? The interest is talking about these papers that she just published, pre-published, excuse me, that are going to be going at her peer review about what she thinks about have we possibly been visiting. And some evidence that she has found could lean that way.

So it only strength is these stories that have come to me. They are just stories. I have no proof or evidence to support all these stories, but there are people in this room who are in my books, and I thank them for being here tonight. That means the world to me that they would come to support my work, and I hope I could give them a platform to just share their stories. So again, everything you gentlemen talked about and Beatrice talked about, only keeps me go.

So in 1970, when I was just a teenager, I saw some lights in the sky that were moving across the skyline. And my older brother, who was a scientist and electrical engineer, all sorts of strange things I didn't understand, said to me, oh, that was Skylab. Remember Skylab? Before the International Space Station. What I didn't say to my brother was that this thing,

arcing across the sky, then went, whoop, and disappeared off into the distance, and that was not Skylab. Nobody ever explained to me what that was. Can you? No. Reminding us your Pips, Steve, how,

past technology has been... It's going to be amazing for any younger people in the audience to think what in 50 years, how it's going to change massively. And I mean absolutely massively. I'm going to have a crack at that. Do you know what panspermia is? Panspermia is a theory that all life on earth came from elsewhere in the universe and that it was brought to us by comets probably.

brought on them likely and so actually we are the aliens it's the theory it's like there's people there's people studying this works how did life on earth begin because no actually not one theory is that it was brought to us from upstairs which kind of is logical you think about it right I've got the next question so I think we're just going to actually pass it along I think there are so many questions. I actually agree with that. I think that's the most likely way that we are this unique thing that we are.

Anyway, that's not my question. So if you look at the statistics back in time, until about the 1940s and 1950s, people used to report goblins, brags, bongles, fairies, all kinds of things. And before that, there were gods and monsters, serianthropes. Before that, when shaman, you know, religious, just ceremonies drove how people were, people used to have out-of-body experiences, and then there's near-death experiences and shared death experiences,

and then we've got the technology post the Second World War, and we've got suddenly the sighting of aliens. Is it contextually construed? Is that how it works? Is it all the same thing? And I think you made the point that maybe it is all the same thing, Maybe it's all the same experience, the filling of the veil, you know, whatever it is. What do you think about that, all of you? So I've had the opportunity several times now to interview Jacques Valle, who is a computer scientist, how has this he done, mythologists?

Estabar. Is that a woman. I think if you look at a close encounter experience, you do have to contextualize it with a culture with a certain time period because it can influence the interpretation of what that was. There are many people who, yeah, I've spoken to people who believe that their quote-unquote alien abduction experience was demonic. So right there you're already kind of connecting it to your beliefs, your your spiritualism. You know, and I'm not going to take that away from them, I tell him, no, that was like a demon who is a gray alien or vice versa.

So I do think it's fascinating that different cultures throughout time have a different way. I mean if you even look at the cover of this book, it's literally like a gray alien holding the mask of a fairy. This is shocked by, yeah. And then also the pastoralia is a classic. It's fascinating. So yeah, I think interpretation has a lot to do with it. And I do think, you know, whether it's the folklore of yesterday, they can connect it to the, I guess, the alien of the present or the future yeah I just wanted to ask a question

and ontological shock nice small topic yeah go on sorry what's ontological shock so an ontological shock is there when your place in the world how you say yourself you're bringing everything you're taught to psychological it changes as your mind changed Because there's a new hearing in September with whistleblowers first-hand related to crash retrieval programs so this is happening. Just to Marco Rubeo the current, the Foreign Secretary of the United States, has heard a lot of this testimony as well.

The question is how is your mind? minds. It's got a little bit of Donald Robson. He now makes a living from ghost humps in. So I reckon his mind might have changed, for sure. And I was just saying this actually to rhyme. I think

that the scientific community as a whole now is a lot more receptive than we possibly think to the idea that there could be either house being visitors, there could be life elsewhere in the universe and more money than before is probably being spent as Steve Riley said as well on trying to find the

existence of life so I'd say that the stigma will always be there in some respect with some people but who cares about the stigma is what I would say yeah yeah in my book I coined the term it's a phantom war people think that the scientists are against the uphologists or the believers when in reality like everything I do which is witness testimony stories like yours or stories like terries it only is strengthened by the possibilities of what is possible in the universe so yeah I think you know as ontological shock is a good way to look at I think a lot of people are just scared of change of this being real because then like you know

Bruno who was at the stake for what he said there is still a reluctant to believe in something other than ourselves. Once we finally accept that, or are forced to accept that, I think that's the day when uphologists and scientists can finally cheers to appear together and be like, we were all right. I think it takes a creative mind. Any science is really creativity.

Like writing a say, dear Dono Bruno, it starts with this incredibly outlandish idea that can lead you down the garden path, something phenomenal. I think to answer absolutely directly for me and the job I do and what I do I'm not a scientist, you know, not the kind of investigative journalist, I have a TV, I just make some of the programme, sorry about it's back. So for me, it's the evidence. So I just need the big shiny UFO on the lawn of the White House with CNN literally filming the 80s like now. Oh, that they're not believe.

About the Whitehouse. That's pretty close. You know, but then I believe, you know, because until you've got that, you don't really have anything, you've got lots of unbelievable stuff. I mean, amazingly unbelievable stories. And you've got lots of theories,

and we've all, you know, I'll put it out there, like I said, you know, I think it would be insanely weird if the universe is not full of life. Whether it's actually come here in a spaceship, I have to see the spaceship you know I just I've got to love that

and don't read it much as a poor fascinating presentations this evening which I'm really interesting this question may sound a little bit sceptical but it's not meant

to be at all I think what you've proved tonight beyond any doubt at all is that UFO certainly exist and I think Everybody in this theatre would accept it.

There are things we've seen in the sky that we've disguised. Ambition comes in all shapes and sizes. At First Citizens Bank, we roll with your goals because we're built for what you're building. Fit for your ambition for Citizens Bank. We don't know what they are or where they come from. So on that case, absolutely proved, I would say. I think I'm probably speaking on behalf of everybody in here tonight.

But that's a long stretch, isn't it, from saying, well, we've got UFOs, don't know what they are, what about alien life and ETs? And the point could be made that we've been trying really hard since, I think, 95, at least, when we saw the lovely Patrick Mordor, he's broadcast about life on Mars, probably for a lot longer than that. And we've had dozens and dozens of really, really clever people spending a lot of money, a lot of resource. And these days, you know, really clever resources, really sophisticated equipment. So, you know, lots of head is working really hard to prove that it exists and any life exists. A skeptic would say, well, where's the proof? And what can you say to encourage us to? keep on looking and not say well because we've got nothing so far you know we'll believe what the

sceptics say which is well no evidence doesn't exist and i don't believe that and i don't think any of you four do and i don't think anyone here does but how can you encourage us to keep going uh in the way of the fact that there seems to be little little evidence little hard evidence at the moment so i'm looking for inquiry from the air I think it sounds a skeptical question but I'm looking for encouraging well I just ask her clarification there is loads of evidence so it's like what when you say hard evidence what what do you mean by hard well something that's beyond question I mean if you look at the guy who was at the drive-in you could pick holes all the way through that. I'm looking for something that you can put it in front of

people and they say, well, yeah, thank you. That proves to us that there are ETs, there is alien life. There's a difference between, you know, evidence and proof. And he said basically science never proves anything. You know, like science continues to move forward. And often, and through questioning, and often where a paradigm break happens is when there's enough anomaly and your data and how things are working, that you have to change your whole frame of reference and the way you go forward. So it's like, what you mean by evidence?

What are you looking for? This last numbers of credible fitness testimony about what people have witness, experience, this category error to apply this kind of methodology, the particular scientific methodology, to this category of evidence. Yeah, I've got something there. I just want to come back on it.

That's all right. I think just with response to your question of why should we still look and stuff, I think one of the things that people often gravitate to is that this is a new thing that we've just decided that we're looking now for UFOs and it's a relatively new belief. But you can trace this back right back to the Babylonians and then you start to to look at things like deities in the sky. These were very similar beliefs. They believed that something lived beyond our atmosphere.

And ultimately, when we're talking about life elsewhere in the universe, we're talking about things that live beyond our atmosphere. And evidence is a really difficult thing to come across and to really, like you said, find something that you can't be called in. Religion is probably one of the biggest examples of that. We've had religions that have lasted thousands of years without incredible evidence, arguably. in some cases. But one of the big things that I think comes from any kind of research like this is the byproduct that we get for technology. For example, did we go to the moon, whether you believe it or not?

We have two weird radios, we have pacemakers, we have new technology that comes as a result of all of these scientific feats that we go to to try and answer these questions. So I think that's my response. I just want to add very briefly to that because I couldn't agree more. Don't be afraid of investing in technology. So Hubble, amazing, took another 34 years before James Webb, that's up there. That's powerful enough to see an exoplanet as in, you know, with data.

Another 34 years, we should have another telescope up there that's very optical, so you might be able to autograph actually see an exor planet in real life. And so I think going back to the belief I've got, which is there are alien worlds and aliens out there. But we're only going to do it with technology. We're only going to find it by looking for it, I believe, personally. And I think that that is, that's why you should sort of keep the belief going. Because, you know, it's just like what, like, do you know how many do you know how many moons? Correct me here, please.

How many moons does Jukes have? Right, no one knows because we haven't even got the technology to count them, right? We know there's like 70-od-ish and then you keep going, if you look at it, but we saw it once in 1970, we've never seen it again, so we don't know if it's a moon or not. And I'm like, it's only, like, you can see Jupiter, like, on a clear light. I mean, don't even know how many bloody moons it's got. Like, that's how you'll find life out there by just kind of using the tech. I'm glad who brought up James Webb. I mean, for, since the dawn of time, we've never recorded an interstellar object in our solar system.

And in the past year, we've captured three. So for me, it's only a matter of time before one of those intercellar objects. Yeah, a lot of them will be asteroids, continents, things like that. But 20 years, 30 years, what if one of them is a spaceship? So we come back in 20 years' time. and I ask the same question and you say, what do you should answer that? Here's the evidence, and up comes a screen.

Well, let's hope that's right. Yeah. Thank you. One more questions, isn't it? Yes. I've never seen the UFO or was a tour voice believed in it. My question is to you, Brian.

Where in the UK am I most likely to see one? And where in the world am I most like to see one? Nicole was bringing up. I actually, and I don't know why I didn't put this in my presentation, I've got like a handful of cases that happened near Hexham, Newcastle, but you want a really weird place? Bodybrage, Scotland. That's, there's everything you can imagine going on there. Ghosts, you know, phantom dogs, U-Lafoots, Bigfoot's, it's crazy. It's crazy.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You want to tell people about Hesselan? Oh, yes, Heselon. Yes, like guaranteed. Heselin. Yeah, yeah. Heselon.

Hesdalen, right? Oh, sorry, Hestan. Yeah, it's in Sweden. Sweden. They have a very strange aerial phenomena that occurs constantly. You know, this isn't just this strange life phenomenon,

which could have an explanation someday, does not right now. And it's a very fascinating place. Yeah, I've had scientists, some people there 24 hours What's been going off to like, how do you take that? Yeah, and then you've been to build, you know, monitored systems to record it.

So again, that's what gives me hope. Like you mentioned, you know, they're always ahead of our technology. So if whatever technology is being displayed by a quote, unquote, UFO, I think it gives us hope for our own future and our own ambitions to continue exploring the cost of us and see if there are aliens out there. But a lot of people do believe they have come here. And I'm going to tell her stories and hopefully one day there will be a convergence between the witness testimony and the science.

So when I see one, I know who to get in touch with it. Yes, please. Please reach out to me. Lots of people put their hands up when Ryan asked the question, how many of you, what was the question exactly you asked, right? How many people have seen something in the study of hand on this place? So I was quite intrigued by the fact, or we were intrigued by the fact that maybe you, maybe you know, many of you put your hands up were from Hexham. We want to do this festival again next year and it would be really great if you can come to us

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