Somewhere in the Skies - Dark Alliance: The Cosmic Con & The Next Generation (w/ Darcy Weir)

Episode Date: February 9, 2026

Filmmaker, Darcy Weir, joins Ryan for a wide-ranging conversation centered on his latest documentary, Dark Alliance: The Next Generation. Weir breaks down the controversial world of the so-called “New Age Secret Space Program,” examining extraordinary claims, key personalities, and how science fiction, belief, and misinformation often blur together within modern ufology. The discussion also touches on Shag Harbour, USOs, whistleblowers, community infighting, and the responsibility of skepticism in a field driven by mystery and belief. It’s a candid look at why asking hard questions may be just as important as chasing the unknown. Darcy Weir's films: https://tv.apple.com/us/person/darcy-weir/umc.cpc.2ed2e85y4gbftuwkhg0ikqxif Please take a moment to rate and review us on Spotify and Apple. Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Substack: https://ryansprague.substack.com/ All Socials and Books: https://linktr.ee/somewhereskiespod Email: [e-mail] SpectreVision Radio: https://www.spectrevision.com/podcasts Opening Theme Song by Septembryo Closing Song by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2026 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #SomewhereInTheSkies #DarcyWeir #DarkAlliance #UFOCommunity #SecretSpaceProgram #UAP #Ufology #UFOs #Paranormal #Fraud #Hoax Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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For if we consider the astroscientists, on one point that the possibility of life elsewhere is not only quite probable, some field is there without a doubt. Let us suppose them that these objects are real space vehicles, extraterrestrial origin, and not an illusion of the mind. I'm Ryan Spreck, and you are now somewhere in the skies. Right. Well, we have been talking off air for a little bit with my good friend here, who I got to meet recently in Shag Harbor, Nova Scotia. but I believe, I can't believe I'm saying this. This is the first time you've been on the show, my friend.

So welcome to Somewhere in the Sky's Darcy Weir. Thank you, Ryan. It's a pleasure to be your guest and, you know, we finally made it happen. Finally, man. And I think with good reason. Now, you just came out with a brand new documentary. I had the pleasure of watching a screening of one of your past documentaries. recently in Shag Harbor as well about USOs.

So we'll touch briefly on that, but today we're mostly going to be talking about kind of your series that you have going on with Dark Alliance, with the new film Dark Alliance, The Next Generation, which covers the Secret Space Program and the colorful array of individuals who have found themselves wrapped up in that,

including yourself now. So we'll break all of that down. But before we do that, let's talk a little Shag Harbor. Now, this is my first time meeting you in person. I got to go to like a former military installation with you and Paul Kimball and Mark Antonio. And yeah, you were the moderator, the guest moderator at this event as well. So tell us a little about Shag Harbor before we get to Dark Alliance.

Yeah, Shag Harbor obviously is a gem conference to go to in Canada, just given that there's not many. And this is kind of like Canada's Roswell incident where a crap allegedly crashed into the ocean off the coast of Nova Scotia. This was the second time that I went and I really enjoyed it. Unexpectedly, I was a host of the show. I showed up and Martin Willis was all. on a ferry back to the United States because his hip had gone wrong.

And I was looking at Chris Stiles and, you know, a number of the other people kind of flustered. And I was checking in. I said, you need a new host? And they said, yeah, sure, if you want to do it. And I was like, yeah, let's try. So they gave me kind of like a script to read that weekend. And I had lived a bit, you know, made fun.

wanted Mark De Antonio as much as I could. He made for me as much as he could. Yeah, and it was just good hanging out with UFO folks and talking history and what we're most curious about. Absolutely, man. And, you know, that would have been my, I believe, third time at the Shag Harbor event. The first year I went, I was a speaker. The second year, I went just as kind of a, you know,

kind of like you. I was kind of helping moderate some stuff that was going on. And then the third time, I was just strictly an audience member, which there was such low pressure at that point. What was awesome. Like I had no responsibilities and all that. And I could

just like breathe, attend, and hear Chris Stiles for the millionth time talk about. He's like the Stanton Friedman, you know, over there in Canada, man. And I love it. I absolutely love it. But I had a blast with you and Mark just chatting and catching up.

What do you make of the Shag Harbor event before we dig into your films here? Like you've covered U.S.Os in the past and whatnot. What do you think about that crash? Yeah, I think it happened. There's a lot of cases that you just don't know, but something went down in the ocean and you have dozens of witnesses, right? So that is the key thing there. You have Navy reports from divers that were trying to do rescue dives and thinking they were going to save people and allegedly made reports that they saw something nonhuman when they were down there.

And I did cover this case a little bit when I interviewed Chris Stiles for this other documentary that I featured Tim Gallaudet and, and a whole host of other individuals regarding U.S.Os called Transmedium. And, you know, Chris did two books, really, that I think buttoned it up nicely. The Shelburne incident one, I think, is sweep clear five is the recent one. But he brings up Shag Harbor again because he got Shag Harbor in 1967, apparently Shelburne incident that happens in 1960. and it's almost like the same circumstances. Like they're doing the Navy in Sweep Clear 5 was actually doing an exercise with mines, I think, in the ocean.

And then they came across non-human entities and a craft when they were doing this exercise. So divers were involved again. And, you know, apparently they went to. to DefCon 1, which allegedly has never happened before in history, but the captain's logs from that voyage, that exercise says that they did. So maybe they just scrapped it from, you know, kind of erased it from history. I think it's a pretty clear situation where something happened. And, you know, whether I guess like it's another one of these cases where you think aliens are involved or something non-human, right?

People are even saying these days with the cryptotterrestrial theory that maybe there's just something in our oceans that has mastery there at depths we can't go and technology. And maybe they've been here longer than we have or just as long and they stay in their domain and try to stay away from us. I mean, I'm open to that theory too. Yeah. Absolutely. It is. fascinating case. And, you know, it, it strikingly mirrors some of the stuff you got going on with, like, the TikTok event, right? You've got a training exercise going on with the military. And then,

boom, a UAP of sorts shows up. And it's weird. It's weird how these things seem to mirror one another in different regions and whatnot. But it is a fascinating case, especially when Chris started digging into the earlier event. You know, it's almost like the, The, was it, Kingman, Arizona, I believe a UFO crashed before Roswell. That might have been after. Aztec, there we go. That's the one I was thinking of. Aztec before Roswell and all that.

So it's weird, man. It's weird how these things seem to, these myths sort of start to permeate. And I'm not saying myth in the way of like, it didn't happen. But yeah, dude, it's fascinating stuff for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, like, Yep.

People start digging and they find more and different cases in, you know, respect to Kingman and Aztec. People started digging and looking at Roswell and they found two other crash incidents that allegedly happened. That's what happened with Chris Stiles. He's digging looking for more Shag Harbor stuff and he finds a completely different incident that happened earlier. So it's just one of those things, right?

People start putting their detective hats on and they find evidence of something else. Yep. He's the bulldog of the euphology. And there's a reason they call him that for sure, man, for sure. Cool. Well, let's move from Shag Harbor to a topic that I'm going to be honest. I've never covered on somewhere in the skies in over 450-something-something episodes, The Secret Space Program.

that's where I want to start as I guess 101 as we can get an introduction to what is the secret space program. Like if you had to give some of the elevator pitch of what this thing is, you know, we have these theories that we never went to the moon and all those kind of conspiracy theories. But then over here on the side, you've got this whole idea that not only have we been to the moon, we've been to Mars, we've been to, um, you know, Venus and stuff like that. What to you, if you had to define what the Secret Space Program is, before we dig really deep into that, what would you say? Yeah, well, Kari and I, who's the narrator of the two docs that we made in this series called Dark Alliance, we kind of coined the New Age Secret Space Program because

like you said, it's so far on the other side of conspiracy theories. It's like, okay, hold on, guys. We've been to Mars. Barack Obama fought in a war there with aliens with Andrew Basiago. You know, Corey Good is, you know, this flagrant super soldier type that's also been up there. oh yeah you also have Tony Rodriguez Chris O'Connor this new guy JP who wore a dirt bike helmet for most of his career up until

the end of last year he was trying to like keep his identity secret like a power ranger or something and essentially it's it's a little bit sort of spiritual like religious religious religious like ridiculous and then it's

mixed with stuff that we've only really seen or heard of in science fiction narratives on TV and in movies. So you might have noticed when you watched Dark Alliance The Next Generation, we mixed in a lot of, you know, fair use clips from special moments in sci-fi history that we're trying to say, like how do we know these people are not just literally taking this IP that's been published in Hollywood and writing it into their own mythos, their own sort of space tales. And some people call them LARPers, like, you know, live action role players. I think there could be a good case for that. And the thing is that we just talked about, we opened up the show talking about some historical cases that there's documentation, multiple people giving testimony to prove that something actually happened off the coast of Nova Scotia involving possibly a crash craft

and maybe people seeing non-human intelligence. The difference with this sort of new age secret space program is there's no documentation. It's just people telling really wild and crazy stories. And in the second one, we weaved the overarching sort of theme that Michael Sala has been kind of a shepherd for these new secret space programmer guys to come forward. And he's written many of their books. He's written his own books on this. And there's no proof. It's just wild speculation mixed in with, you know, fantasy, in my opinion. Yeah, I loved in this new film, like you said, cutting in these things from things like Stargate, you know, and science fiction, things like that.

And showing almost, you know, beat for beat and word for word, these things that they say in these science fiction things. and then it bleeds into quote unquote reality with these people. So I want to kind of attack this head on with this. Now, you do interview some of these people who do claim to have worked for the Secret Space Program in both of your films. But you take a route in this one, which I found fascinating and a little hilarious. And that's what I want to ask you. What made you kind of take this route with humor in the second film? It was an interesting approach for sure.

My question for you is, why did you decide to do that? And do you think that that takes away at all of the seriousness of the situation or the possible credibility of any of this stuff? You know, not me challenging you in saying that, but do you think that's what some people will take away from it? You know, I think no one else has done this. No. No one has approached to this subject that way. And I think it's important that somebody has because if you want to go watch a new age secret space program, LARPie, fantasy TV show about this,

stuff, go tune in to Gaia TV because they're the guys that have really picked this up and quarterbacked it over the past decade. I mean, they've been funding it with tons of marketing dollars from promoting all these people, having them on their show and creating whole series based off of called Cosmic Disclosure based off of this being very serious, right? And I think somebody has to step up and say, wait a second here. Like, are we getting a little carried away? I think discernment is needed. And some of these people have been kind of monsters in the community.

I mean, Corey Good has filed cease and desists against Richard Dolan just because he said, I don't believe you, bro. and he's levied massive legal attacks against Gaia against their whole upper brass, Jay Weidner, the former head of production there. They had a whole doxing campaign and went after what's Bill Ryan, who started Project Camelot when he first came out saying he didn't agree with this story and they doxed his home down in, I believe it's Ecuador. You know, all of these sort of things that don't seem very valiant or super soldier to me.

You know, if you're a hero, you don't have to act like a coward and a villain and go after people in the community. And look, like, I take, we have a very interesting era that we're living. living in within the UFO phenomenon, the community. We have tons and tons of people coming forward as whistleblowers. And then you have experiencers on the other end, right? Civilians or just people that are from all different walks of life. And I don't discount those people. But then you got these kind, which also call themselves whistleblowers.

and they have no proof of military backgrounds, but they're kind of playing that role. And they're feisty, you know? So I just figured, why don't we just make some of this a bit more tongue in cheek and say, you know, here's the history of these people saying this stuff. Some of them have been arrested, put in jail for fraud, in the case of Ralph Almagrin, who goes, was by Alex Collier, right, who's one of Michael Sala's number one men, you know, in this group that

he's built. So, you know, people just don't know who they're listening to or believing these days. And I thought that Kari and I would kind of put that out there for people to understand a bit more about who they're getting this information from. And you brought up like the Stargate theme that's part of this. You know, a really horrible thing happened in history. And it wasn't just the United States that was involved. It was the Brits. It was the Canadians. We all supported invading Iraq. And it was under false pretenses to allegedly get weapons of mass destruction that threatened the rest of the West, and they weren't there.

So that created this zeitgeist where people really mistrusted the West more than I think ever. And I think that was a central event that caused so much distrust that we're living in this new age now, where people just kind of either hate the government or indifferent towards them. It's very different from post-World War II, where everybody was like, yes, sir, how high, sir. And then you have people like Michael Sala who step in to this sort of atmosphere of distrust within a conspiracy community, which is euphology. and they say, I know why they really invaded Iraq. They went to confiscate Stargates and alien technology that was buried in the sand. And that, to me, is even more evil than lying to the world about missing weapons of mass destruction.

It's basically deceiving people beyond belief and making this delusion so much stronger saying, okay, if you don't trust the government, trust me, because I actually know what's really going on here. It's Stargates, bro. And it's bad. I think, you know, I still watch what they're doing today. And Venezuela just got invaded. And again, so a new secret space program guy, JP, who's now taking the dirt bike helmet off and he's doing live streams with Michael Sala. He says, the reason why we went to Venezuela was to get access to gold that's under a pyramid at the southern border of Venezuela and Brazil.

And people are going to believe that. You know, I mean, it's not my job to try and save everybody or try and call BS on everything. But this was just an inroad to highlighting that we have a bit of a problem in this community in 2026. There's, you know, a lot of people out there that are like you that are open to seeing all kinds of of media, you know, but there's a huge contingent of people that believe everything that's out there. And that's a scary way to go about, you know, finding information in this community because you can go down some really delusional and bad paths for your psyche. And it just spreads like wildfire.

It's almost like a mind virus. I've brought this up in other shows, and I always get some haters from that crew, but the NASCAR mummies comes to mind all the time. It's just one of these things that has taken over the conversation. And people don't realize it's a well-funded marketing machine that is total hoax. And it's a lot of people are starting to look at it better now. since Will from incredible history did his expose and you know he brought in doctors and qualified scientists that can look at these scans and stuff and really understand what's going on

here and proving there's manipulation to these ancient bodies which is again desecration of people's burial grounds and ancestors it's it's wild the crime that's going on there and And then, you know, Will even says that there's people that have gone missing that have talked about this crime because there's money and people's whole business is based around this now. So that's, oh man, you bring so many good points up that like routes I want to go down with this, Darcy. Yeah, there is money to be had. there is for sure unfortunately those places the money are are the places where you're going to find things like the secret space program the nasca mummies and and i i am glad that you do point that out like it is a the ufo community which you and i have been a part of for a long time now at this

point we have seen things come and go we have seen the ups the downs the lefts the rights of all of it and um pointing out the problematic things is important because we'll never get to the truth if these things keep cropping up and recycling themselves in different ways. And you do talk about the history of, you know, the Corey Goods and the David Wilcox of the past. And now these new people have cropped up in the Secret Space Program thing because they, they see that gap. They see that void there. They're like, ooh, I can get involved in that. Like, that's something I can do.

And right now, you know, I'm seeing that with things like the Chris Bletso story, which we have a listener question for later in the show where like they find this void that they know there will be people who will want answers and they can give you those answers. And look, I've been studied UFO since I was 13 years old, man. I'm in my 40s now. I won't give away my exact age. But I have no effing clue what UFOs are or aren't. these many years later nobody does and the fact that these people are saying like this is the truth if you don't believe me you're against us um that's a problem richard dole brings up a very good point in your latest film of like if someone were and i loved how you've reenacted this in your film um if if your neighbor came up to you and said yo i was wearing this shirt yeah exactly i love it i love it i forgot i was like oh yeah this is the shirt with a little pot i was like oh yeah this is the shirt with a little pot talking here. That's hilarious. Yeah, he brings up the point. Like, your neighbor comes up to you. It says, yo, I went to Mars yesterday and I fought aliens. Oh, cool. You would have a lot of questions

and you'd be very skeptical. But when you're in a room full of hundreds, maybe even thousands of people and they all start saying, this is real. It's true. Stand up. Applaud this hero that went to Mars and saved humanity. That's when, you know, you're like, oh, this, there's something to this. If this many people believe this, it must be real. So I think that's really important. And it does. It kind of spreads like a virus.

That's such a good way to put it. Wow. Okay. I want to back up just for a second, if you don't mind. Corey, good. He's a big part of this. And you mentioned this kind of falling out that he had. with Gaia TV.

Again, these may be things our audience aren't even aware of. You did say what Gaia TV is. Just guys, go look at Gaia TV and see the types of things that they put out there. It's mind-boggling. But there's a deposition that Corey Good did, and you do

feature that in your film as well, where he was suing individuals for using his quote unquote intellectual property, not his truth, not the truth, but his property. And he kind of dug himself

into a whole man and said that everything he's been saying about the secret space program and his involvement was fiction. And that people were stealing that fiction from him and using it as their own. So what is that all about? Tell us about this kind of

falling from grace of Corey Good, if you don't mind. Well, I think it's like the story of Icarus, right? You have somebody that becomes so confident in themselves and tries to fly too close to the sun, their wings get burned and they crash. So this is what happened with Corey because he literally thinks he's unstoppable leaving Gaia. He released a couple documentaries with a now defuncter,

defunct company called 1091 films that there's a whole story there and the people behind that. But basically those films were like printing money for them. In his deposition, I think he said on one of them, they made something like $600 to $900,000 in a year. And they were coming off of being the most famous. and the most popular TV show on Gaia TV, cosmic disclosure.

This is David Wilcoq and Corey Good. And they figured, you know, if we have all this power, because people really listen to us and believe us, we're going to go on and we're going to do our own entertainment network that competes with Gaia. And we want that IP for ourselves because we started that. So after,

leaving the show. And I think, you know, in entertainment law, it might be a little bit different when you sign as a talent for Gaia TV, probably in the fine print of that contract, it says the things you're saying are owned by us, you know, not you. So Corey created this story about being a astronaut where he was in space battles and he was the modern Enoch of our time. went to space and hung out with this galactic federation of aliens and so on and so forth. He said he lived in this 20 and back lifestyle like mission where you live 20 years in the future living out this quasi-military lifestyle in space as an astronaut guy. And then when your term is done, they bring you back to Earth and your age regressed into a sort of Benjamin Button style technology back into your original self when you were 16 on this planet or something.

Or you're put into a cloned body. It kind of became very nebulous and not really well explained by many of these whistle secret space program whistleblur. that have come forward over the years. You know, they left the company and Corey hired a lawyer that's basically one of his believers, and she basically waged war with everybody that was at one time a business or creative associate of Corey Goods, all for this intellectual property thing. You've said you've done 20 and back journeys where you go away for over 20 years and you come back. Yeah, trademark.

And okay. And you've done that and you've done that many times, right? Correct. That's the dramatization on top of the story. Like I said... Are you saying it's dramatization or is it real? Part of it's real, part of its dramatization. Like I've said about all of this.

What part is dramatization? Be more specific, please. Sure. What part of the 20 and back is dramatization? and not real? Well, the 20 and back itself is my creation. That's why I trademarked it and that's why it's a part of my intellectual property. So does that mean it's not real?

It's dramatization? What does it matter if it's real or not? I'm asking you whether it was dramatization or is it real? It's a real part of my dream or delusion of whatever you want to call it. I created all of this as on top of the training that I did have and the experiences that I did have, I extrapolated this stuff out and created it. Okay, but it's part of your dream or delusion, you call it, correct?

Whatever y'all want to call it. Well, what do you call it? I call it my intellectual property. Okay. And you state you've gone away for over 20 years and you come back and you haven't aged, correct? Well, the 20 and back story, in the book is that you're taking off planet, you serve 20 years, your age regress, and you put back in time to where you were first removed. Is it the story or is that what happened to you? It is the story.

So it's not what happened to you? Not necessarily. You know, this included Leon Isaac Kennedy, African-American actor who kind of acted as a professional sort of agent or business guy to elevate his story within Hollywood. He went against Jay Weidner, the former head of production who created, believe it or not, cosmic disclosure, that show, and the NASCA mummies for Gaii TV. And then he went after like multiple other people. All of those cases fell apart. there was no proof of things like defamation, liable, or, you know, harassment were a lot of the

things that he claimed without actual proof. And the last case that's still lingering is actually between the upper people at Gaia. It's actually Gaia Entertainment TV network that he's in a lawsuit with now. And it's not going too well. I've been following. and documenting that. And basically, you know, he's been found in contempt of court by talking about stuff within the case that was not allowed to be public on a podcast. He's like not provided any proof when they asked when they're going through the discovery phase.

And the guy of lawyers are saying, hey, we need, you know, all of your emails saying this or your WhatsApp or your Skype messages. He's like, oh, I don't have Skype. I don't have WhatsApp. My email, you know, I deleted like every excuse you can think of because, you know, the end is nigh and the gig is up. And these people that have made really bold and wild claims and then harassed everybody that they wanted to take power from, you know, he's in trouble now. Interesting. Yeah.

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I didn't like physically in time and space don't exist when they take us up there to fight these secret wars or the aliens, all that sort of stuff. Of course there's not going to be documented proof. But what they use is proof, Darcy, and you bring this up in the film, is the story of Gary McKinnon. I love that you included this because I think it's important to recognize that, yes, there could be a kind of stovepiping. of space programs. Government funded NASA, private companies like whatever, SpaceX. But then the secret space program. And Gary McKinnon came forward and showed some receipts and said, I mean, in a sense, he did.

Again, his are just claims as well. But to the point where he was almost extradited to the United States for hacking into NASA and government files and all that and the things he found. Here's your list of charges. You hacked into the army, the navy, the Air Force, the Department of Defense and NASA, amongst other things. Why? I was in search of suppressed technology, you know, laughingly referred to as UFO technology. I think it's the biggest kept secret in the world because of its comic value. Did you find what you were looking for? Yeah. What did you find inside NASA? One of these people was a NASA photographic expert and she said that in Building 8 to 5,000,

Johnson Space Center. They regularly airbrushed out images of UFOs from the high-rest satellite imaging. And using the same blank password hunting technique, I got down to Building 8, got a few blank passwording machines there. And what she said was there, was there, there was folders called filtered and unfiltered or processed and raw, something like that. I got one picture out of the folder, bearing in mind this is a 56K dial-up. It was very slow internet connection. Oh, cricky, yeah. I mean, you know, dial. update. A 235 megabyte picture, and if you're talking 5 minutes a megabyte, obviously

impossible to download. Also in a NASA proprietary image format, not a gift or a JPEG or anything. So using the remote control program, I turned the colour down to 4-bit colour, the screen resolution really, really low. And even then, this picture was still, you know, judging and coming onto the screen. But what came onto the screen was amazing. It was a culmination of all my efforts. It was a picture of something that definitely wasn't man-made. It was above the Earth's hemisphere. It was kind of looked like a satellite. It was cigar shaped. It had geodesic domes above, below, to the left, to the right and both ends of. And although it was a low-resolution picture, it was very close up. This thing was hanging in space. The Earth's hemisphere was visible

below it. And no rivets, no seams, none of the stuff associated with normal man-made manufacturing. Off-world officers, ships, things like this. These were things. These were things, that people in the secret space program community started using as validation that this was all real. What do you think about the claims of Gary McKinnon? Why did you decide to include that in this latest film? Yeah. So, you know, when I interviewed Richard Dolan about a possibility of a secret space program in 2020, I think it was one when he invited to me his home.

And we talked about the New Age Secret Space Program guys. And that's why you get him flavoring a lot of the documentary with intellectual thoughts and takes on all this. We brought up Gary McKinnon because that seemed to have credibility. It seemed to have something that attract the ire of the national defense of the United States. and they wanted some kind of retribution for his hacking, his illegal intrusion into sensitive government installation files. And his testimony was obviously what you just said.

So we were just framing at first that, yes, there has to be some kind of secrecy to space because if you're going to be doing activities up there that you don't want Russia, China and all kinds of adversaries to know about or your capabilities, maybe you're using exotic technologies, I don't know. Space is a great theater for that kind of secrecy too. And what happened, what we prove happened was that Gary's testimony and his story kind of got hijacked by the NAS, the New Age secret space. program guys. And, you know, many different influencers in this sort of conspiracy UFO community

had no problem stealing that. And almost like, you know, when you see those creepy Fox News or, you know, other news channel kind of repeating the same soundbites when news hits the channels, that was happening across all these Gaia affiliates, right? You had dark journalists saying, yeah, the Secret Space Program and Gary McKinnon's Solar Warden. And it's like Solar Warden, when we trace it back, that whole term was brought up just completely as a fabrication on above top. secret, a famous forum, chat forum for conspiracy theories. And Michael Sala picked it up. He repeated it.

He gave it to David Wilcock, Corey Good, dark journalist. And then all down the line, all the Secret Space program guys have been saying Solar Warden for like a decade now. And it's just not true. It's not a real thing. And it was never, ever, ever, ever validated by Gary McKinn. But to this day, and if you look at the documentary, all the clips we put together, Gary says, no, no, no, I never validated that.

There's so much misinformation. But they all said that he validated it. And that's how they made Solar Warden a name brand within the secret space program mythology. Yeah. Again, it's so interesting how these things just keep coming back and getting used. And yeah, yeah, that clip of McKinnon saying, nope, nope, never said that. I had never seen that before. So that was really, really cool to see you kind of point that out.

The last question I have for you, Darcy, before we get to a few of our listener questions, if you don't mind, the people you have in the. the film, kind of the more skeptical of these folks. You've got people like Jeremy McGowan. You've got Steve Cambian, you know, who, you know, I've had some spouts in the past on Twitter and all. We always do it and everything. It was good to see him in this, to be completely honest. Like, I thought he's, he really gave this, this humanity and humor, as he always does to a lot of this stuff, because he has been following this stuff for a very long time and pointing out the problematic nature of a lot of it.

Jordan Sather, who was once kind of a part of all of this, has come out on the other side being like, I don't know, guys, I'm starting to really lean on the other side of it all. What made you decide to use these individuals in the film? And what was it like? Kind of talking to the Mavericks of Uphology, I guess, would be a good way of putting it. Well, look, I respect everybody, whether you're on the left side, the right side, in the middle. I feel like we all have something to offer this world. And if it's truth, it's really, you know, it has a lot of weight in my heart.

And I'm not, you know, I have no sworn allegiances to anybody. I've never taken a knee to one true UFO leader. I just think that everybody has something to offer. And these Mavericks, so to speak, you know, Jeremy McGowan, I think he's a really nice guy. And I think he knows when to speak up and call bullshit on something. Likewise with Steve Cambian,

I think he's a really nice guy. I mean, his show is really abrasive and truth seekers. And he really goes after people, maybe goes too far and, you know, says things about their, their personality, their families or something a little under the belt, which I don't agree with. But he's been right a lot of the time, too, about many of these people. And that is important. People should be, even if you don't agree with somebody's style, I think you should not throw away everything they say because they might be trying to warn you. and, you know, try to keep you from going over the edge, so to speak.

And, yeah, he's been covering a lot of these SS, like, my history with this was I was always into UFOs and I'm into cryptids and all that stuff too. And like over a decade ago, when I first started making this stuff was 2009. I did a whistleblower sort of documentary about Philip Schneider, and I released that just for free on YouTube back in 2012. And that film that was really crudely made, the first incarnation, got up to almost 4 million hits back in the 4 by 3 days. And I realized that this is like people connect with this. I'm not the only crazy guy that's interested in the possibilities of,

UFOs, non-human intelligence cover-ups and all that stuff from the military, the governments around the world, yada, yada. But at the same time, 2012 to 2015, I was friends with Carrie Cassidy, and I'm still friends with her. I was communicating and reading all this stuff on Project Camelot, and that's really where Corey Good and these guys launched their brands. So I was hearing about this stuff back in 2014, 2015, and being like, what the heck is this, right? And even then I was using my discernment and being like, this does not seem to, like, if this is real, wow, you know, blows my mind. But it's a little off the rails. And there's no documentation. There's no proof of anything that these people are claiming.

So back to your point, which I've completely forgotten now. Oh, I just, why you decided to use, you know, some of these people who, yeah, these kind of, I don't know the word, polarizing. Yeah. Yeah. So with Cambian, I was getting like attacked by people in the community. when I worked with Tyler Glockner for this TR3B doc a while back. And I, through that, learned of Cambian because he was connected with these other people

that I think are extremely toxic and messed up. And Cambian was, you know, when I tuned into what he was talking about, it was calling out all this stuff that I had heard about, you know, six, eight years earlier. And I just thought, okay, somebody is talking about this. This is good. And I don't mind if people come at me either, you know. I think the world is a mirror. And sometimes you look at that mirror and you see things about yourself that you don't like,

but it's sometimes the truth. But sometimes it's a clown, you know, is sort of. circus mirror and that mirror needs to go get fixed. So with with Cambine and these guys, you know, they they they mean well. At the end of the day, they don't want people going down the wrong path and completely losing their minds. Money because as we said before, there's a huge money machine behind this and it's sucking the dollars right out of people's pockets because they are willingly handing this over thinking this is the truth, this is the reality that I've been waiting for in my life, just take all my money in certain ways.

I'm not going to explain all that to people, but they can figure it out for themselves. I think there's value in that. And that's why I decided to work with these people in a very roundabout way. It just connected with me. and I'm not going to go make 15 documentaries with them. But to tell this story, I needed people that would go there, you know, that would really make brazen, confident conclusions about what these other people in the community are saying. And, yeah, I think it was good. Yeah.

I, you know, again, like I've had my problems with some of these individuals in the past. But at the end of the day, I believe you are right. they have the best intentions how they go about it might not be what you or i would do but um i do firmly believe that and we should keep in mind too a lot of these more skeptical people you've featured in your movie they are experiencers they are witnesses to UFOs which brings another human side to this like they're not just someone who has no idea what these phenomena can do and how they can affect people because they have been affected by them jeremy mcgow and has a crazy UFO story.

I featured it in one of my books and whatnot. And Cambian has had a UFO sighting as well. So I think that's important to keep in mind, too, that these aren't just people who came out of nowhere have no idea what these phenomena are or aren't because they have brushed up against them at times. But yeah, like you said, there's a million stories out there. And that's kind of what I do.

I collect those stories. I don't pretend to have, evidence for a lot of these testimonies that I have featured in my books and on the podcast and stuff. But these people believe these things happen to them. Some of these secret space program people might firmly believe that these things happened to them. But for every one of those genuine people who think that, there's someone behind them who will be like, hmm, how can I make some coin off of this? And that out. And I think that is very important. People, want their beliefs validated. They will pay any price to get that for sure. So yeah, again,

kudos to you for featuring these guys. And I do firmly wish them all the best, any of these individuals who I may have had spats within the past or don't agree with on certain things. This is me, Darcy, using this time to give a peace offering to those people. And I'm glad you did it. I am. I am. I am. Yeah, no, I mean, in all. honest, I've had people, you know, see the film and say, you know, we're not even going to, we're not even going to have you on because you had that person. And you are a person of stronger character because you're like, sure, let's talk about it. Like it's an important story. And, you know, for some people, they're just so against engaging with the people that are supposed

spoken about just a moment ago that they just will not in any way let me get this word out about this research and documentary that we've done. So it is what it is. Yep, exactly. I love that. Well, hey, I got some listener questions, if you don't mind, sticking around. I told you we talk for what, 45 minutes. That's not happening. Let's get to the first one. I'll try to breeze through with you, buddy. Rachel, Rachel on Patreon asks, our Patreon subscribers get priority. So a few of these will be from our patrons first.

Hi, Darcy, really enjoyed your U.S.O. documentary and excited to watch the Dark Alliance movies back to back. But my question is actually about Chris and Ryan Bledso. This is the one that I was telling you about earlier. They seem to be making a lot of big claims that they say that everything UFOs has to do with God. What do you make of the entire Bledso saga? Do you have any thoughts or opinions on there? You know, I've met Chris Bledso at contact in the desert. Really nice guy. I think he, I think this is their ideology. This is the way that they were raised. This is their background. They're very religious.

so they're putting that religious brand on the phenomenon. And, you know, there's been some problematic things to me, some things that, you know, we can even tie to what we've seen happen in the UFO community and prove, yeah, that's like hoaxy sort of stuff. So, for example, a friend Dan Zetterstrom, He posted on Twitter a few months back now, like basically calling out Chris's son, Ryan, for posting a piece of video footage,

which was obviously a bird flying in front of maybe a night vision camera. And because you could see the wings, but because the low low-res fleer quality of the camera, you know, because a lot of these security cameras have a, you turn off the lights and the black and white sort of fleer turns on. Infrared, maybe not FL, but IR turns on. And he was calling it a winged orb, you know. So I haven't heard, and winged.

to orb make sense because that has sort of you see those in those beautiful sort of Renaissance Christian paintings and stuff like that so you know it gives to their followers that is a thing but to people that are sort of more nuts and bolts and a bit more logical about the phenomenon from a non-religious standpoint we want a bit more more than a sort of winged orb explanation when we see a video that clearly is a bird flapping its wings coming into view. So it's just, and then, you know, Dan just questioned it and he got blocked immediately and told off to by Ryan.

And I think that's problematic. We should be able to talk about this stuff and be like, oh, shoot, you're right. That is not a winged orb. That's a bird. you know and another thing that I will say that's disconcerting two things okay your your people get a a special take that is not very popular out there right now setting dates for contact mass contact alien ships and stuff like big non-human intelligence making themselves present has been set many times in the past by David Wilcock or apocalypse is happening by

David Wilcock. He was saying 2012 that the world was going to basically end. We show that in Dark Alliance, it kind of came and went, we're okay. We hear about this over and over again from people. And Chris Bledso says 2026 in April, you know, the aliens were going to arrive. I think it was a few weeks ago, he said, oh, scratch that. It's going to happen later this year. And that's what David Wilcock has done over and over again. He pushes dates when these apocalypses or mass arrests of all these politicians that he's predicting to happen. You just push the date.

So that's a problem. And I see the blood so is doing that, you know, trying to be. prophetic. Like a prophet, Nostradramist style, it's one in a billion. You know what I mean? And it just, to me, looks like

a bit hoaxy and a bit scary that that's happening more and more in the UFO community. The third thing I'll say, something that was going around a lot in 2024, 2025, you know, I'm friends with Science Bob.

but I don't agree with going into spaces on Twitter, NowX, and telling people that, you know, all these people are being miraculously healed by Chris Bledsoe because you're getting into a territory now where you're telling people that you've got a Christ-like figure here that can heal any ailment. And one of the stories was that Grant Cameron's cancer in his shoulder and other places of his body was removed because Chris Bledsoe sent an orb to Grant Cameron's house. Grant's been battling with that for a long time. And, you know, Nicole Sackage has been very passionate about that, upset about it. and when I kind of asked her, like, is this true?

Did this ever really get healed? You know, this is something people have to live with. And sometimes they manage it. And it didn't go away. You know, he still has problems with that. But you're telling a vast population that Chris Bledsoe can heal people that are essentially having problems with cancer. And that's another super.

dangerous place to go, in my opinion. So I'll say that. I'm probably going to get some hate mail for it. But people do your research. This is all out there. It's all public record. I'm not making this stuff up. Yeah. We have covered some of the controversy with Ryan Bletso and Chris. And, you know, I do believe Chris had a genuine UFO experience. I will never take that away from him. I also won't take away that he viewed it through the lens of religion and spirituality. Many people do that. I have no problem with people's religious beliefs. Believe what you want to believe in. We all get one chance at this life. Like, God forbid, you know, you have some faith or hope or something to believe in. So that's not the problem. It's the, you're right. The problem is when you start

saying, I can teach you to see UFOs. And you will see the UFOs that I see. And they are Jesus. They are God. They are this. And all the other people who see UFOs, it's all bullshit. Like those, that's demons or that's, those aren't actual UFOs. The only UFOs that exist are the good ones and we can make you see them. That's where I have a problem and healing ailments and dates of the return of Jesus. Like, dude, come on.

Like, is this really? We've seen this so many times in the UFO field. and it just astounds me that people will continue. But again, new people get involved in the topic all the time, and they don't know. They've got the blinders on, and you can't fault them for that. All you can do is point these problems out, and that's what you've done.

And that's where I'm getting in my research. I've become much more skeptical in the UFO field, but at the same time, like, I still firmly am here doing this, and I believe that there is a core. phenomenon happening. I think you would agree. I don't want to put words in your mind. I do. Yeah. I mean, I've seen UFOs myself. So I think Chris Bledsoe and all these guys might have seen UFOs, but they're just coming at it from their ideology, their background. And a lot of people out there, look, in the United States alone, there's 221 million Christians, right? That's a huge

amount of the population. So that is a huge base for you to speak to when you say these are demons, these are angels, they're God. You already know that. So when you see something that's anomalous phenomenon, that you can identify with that, right? I don't identify with that. And there's nothing in the reverse perspective, if these people are listening to me, they should have no problem that I don't come from their background if they're true Christians because they should love their neighbor, love their brother, even the atheists, you know. But at the same time, it's just the other problems that have come with it, the prophet prophetic stuff, the healings, the, you know, not calling a bird, a bird and stuff like that, you just kind of,

everybody's got to humble themselves a bit. And when it goes down the this kind of like culty trajectory where the leaders are saying everybody else is bullshit except for us you have to follow us that's where yeah it becomes a major problem and it keeps happening right i mean look billy mire and michael horn they've been doing that everybody's bullshit except for them uh the book of talmud you know maybe the blood so has got a book uh a bible coming out like the Talmud or whatever that Billy Meyer was was pushing you know um and there's so many others there's so many others but I think at the end of the day we're all seeing something that's anomalous that's the core thing we should be able to get along about that and when somebody

gives you negative feedback try to onboard that and change and move on let's all move on together amen church of Darcy Weir I agree I agree Amen. We've started a religion today. Did you think that was going to have? Oh, no. Amen, brother. Amen. Amen. All right. Brian R on Patreon asks, how is Darcy handling the obvious blowback from the community, the secret space program community? Have you gotten any threats or like, did people? Oh, this is a question I had too. Did anyone like pull out of the film that you did? end up featuring or anything like that when they kind of saw what you were doing or how's that been dealing with the aftermath of these films so you know most people anybody who's involved in the film signed off they signed an NDA they signed a release right um so i have that from like tony chris o'connor it is what it is i put out public record stuff I'm not slandering, we're using liable.

I'm just putting out what they say and, you know, we investigate it. And I like Tony Rodriguez. I think he's a really nice guy. I think Chris O'Connor also, nicest guy ever. These are like, I think they mean well too. They're just coming at this from, again, something that I think is problematic. but we did have one person pull out Danny. She's part of this British SSP sort of Galactic Federation people.

They're adjacent. A lot of these people are kind of like warring with each other. And that's why we kind of say at the end of the film, it's like this battle for contactee supremacy. and we are like on the outside of that. I have had, I guess because they're warning with each other, they're not really focusing on somebody who's saying, I don't believe you, right?

We all have the right to say, I don't believe you. Fine. Let's all just move on. I wish them well and they should wish me well too. But I have had like some more unhinged people, write me emails and say, you know, I was in the SSP. How dare you do this thing? Blah, blah, blah, blah. Just because Corey Goods a liar doesn't mean I am, blah, blah, blah, whatever. That's fine. I get that. Just bring the proof, I guess, you know, like I can't trust me bro people these days because I don't trust pretty much anybody.

But, you know, bring the proof, bring the data. Maybe I'll analyze that. And I've had, there's like a group that's kind of popular on the East Coast of the United States and the Florida area. This guy Brian Sang, he called me up and, you know, shared some angry words with me. And then on Facebook wrote all these comments, calling me like a piece of shit and asshole. and like, you know, basically calling me objects and orifices and stuff like that. And that's fine. If that's the way you want to go about life, you want to communicate with the other side of an argument.

Sure. I'm sure he's winning all kinds of hearts and minds. But you just block and move on. So the blowback is manageable. Yep. It's part of being a filmmaker, too. honestly like and you got to have a thick skin and especially when you're dealing with things like this for sure man um genetically i do not have thick skin but genetically no i'll pretend but it grows it grows

yeah it's an evolution my friend yes you're becoming an x-man um david you on patreon asks i love darcy's work and he has done great stuff already my question to him is is if budget was not a consideration or any of those sorts of issues, what is the dream topic that you would want to tackle for a documentary? If budget wasn't an issue, I mean, yeah, I'd love to have a television budget of a million dollars to go film a whole docu series, you know, going to, going across Canada, actually, because Canada has got a really cool history with this subject. Falcon Lake, you got the Shag Harbor stuff, Shelburne incident.

And just like, you know, the Canadian files could be something that could be really well covered. It's just the money, pretty much. And a lot of, you know this, you've been on television before. A lot of that stuff is like overproduced and the writers don't really know the topic. And they got whole teams of people just trying to put together a reality TV show, really, with a bit of the sort of UFO intrigue. You know, Kelly Chase, all these people have had their crack at it. My style is more like infotainment, like real documenting of things.

And I don't know how that would translate if I had a big budget to do a show. But I would still try to make it like one of my documentaries. So I would try to bring as much evidence to what's being covered as possible. But yeah, the Canadian one would be cool. I'm actually, I could just segue into stuff I'm working on with my micro budgets, but I'm doing one about a murder

that happened in the UFO community. That's kind of like a passion that I've been going after putting that together, writing it, you know, pitching it and all that stuff for the past year. And it's, I think we're almost there. So that that's probably going to be a four-parter docu series.

and that will probably get some elevation to something more than just my, you know, aggregator style documentary platforming. And then there's another one that I'm working on that I've shot a lot of primary footage for, and I've got another big interview planned shooting in Vegas coming up. And that's going to be a unique way of looking at the whole phenomenon. You know, I like to in each one of my documentaries tell a different story, a different angle, different event. And this is a totally different way to look at the overall UFO phenomenon. on, let's say, you know, the complete opposite of the blood soes of you, it's something completely

and it's not been covered before. I like to try and cover something that's not been flogged to death on the ground, something, a unique stone to uncover. So I won't say exactly what it is, but that's another project. Ooh, color me intrigued, man. I can't wait. I cannot wait. That's a great tease.

Okay. Last listener question here, Darcy. Dan H. through email asks, people like Mick West, Stephen Greenstreet, Jeremy McGowan are aggressive skeptics, it seems. And some may say they risk damaging an already fragile discourse. But others say it's essential for progress. In an ideal world, what does a healthier U.S. UFO research community actually look like after films like yours.

We kind of covered this, but yeah, do you want to expand on any of that? What would it look like? I think it would be a place where we're not so divided. You know, I mean, the United States is not united. It's more divided states right now, right? And if we could get back to a place that people understand the other person's point of view, don't agree, but still are able to talk with each other and keep it civil, that would be fantastic. And I mean, Jeremy doesn't believe in certain people's stories. He doesn't believe in

certain events in history or certain things or UFOs that I might. That's okay. You know, I still respect him. And I'm still going to try and find out as much as I can about these other stories and stuff to make my own conclusions. But yeah, I feel like it would be, you know, if I did have that a million dollars and I could film 20 episodes on a kind of Gaia type TV set and have two people sit across from each other, it would be every episode, two people that are from the opposite end of the the spectrum arguing about what they think is real. We could have Mick West and I don't know, Merrick. That's what I've been done. Yeah, yeah. We could have, we could have a,

Bart Sobrell, and I actually wanted to set this up before. I mentioned it to Julian Dory, and then somehow Bart Sobrell ended up on Danny Jones. podcast arguing with a previous NASA astronaut. But I would have Bart Sobrel and Mike Barra, because Mike Barra, you know, did the dark mission stuff with Richard Holgland. And he's very, you know, he was a former Boeing guy, engineer. He thinks we went to the moon. Let's put him across the table from Bart Sabrell and they can go over all the Apollo stuff.

and they can have an informed, you know, education, full sort of argument on both sides. So, you know, I'd love to do that. I'd love to have Jeremy McGowan and Lou Elizondo sit across from each other. You know, Chris Bledsoe or Ryan Bledsoe and Dan Zetterstrom. You know, we could just keep going back and forth. So either way, you know, just in philosophy, two opposing views eventually leads to a synthesis of an idea that we get something out of. And the discourse must go on. It always does, my friend, it always does. And it continues to go

on with your films. And I think what you're doing is very important. So I do want to thank you for that. Of course, last obvious question. Where can we find Dark Alliance, the next generation and everything that you are up to. Well, I'm giving you the link for Dark Alliance the Next Generation. So that'll be in the show notes if people want to click through and watch that. The previous film, which is a two-parter, Dark Alliance, that is available on 2BTV for free and Amazon Prime internationally. And then a lot of my stuff is up there on all these platforms. You can just search my name, Darcy Weir, and my film catalog will usually come up.

And if you want to follow me on social media, chat some time at Oco Journeys on X, Darcy Weir films on Instagram, TikTok, Oco Journeys. And my website, the studio website, is OcoJourneys.com. and yeah, I have a new podcast that's just audio only if people want to slap something on when they're driving around or on the train. It's called UFO Review. Martin Willis convinced me to get into it. And I'm just going over all these different films that I made in the past and the people I've interviewed and given my real thoughts on the phenomenon, the people. and the first sort of debut of this has three episodes,

and I talked about Staten Friedman and the making of a documentary called Being Taken. So check it out, easy listening. And yeah, thanks for having me on. Oh, my pleasure, man. You've got a million things spinning a million plates, and I highly respect that as someone who knows what that's like. But at the end of the day, like you said, We all want the truth behind these deeply profound mysteries that continue to haunt our skies,

our oceans, and everywhere in between. So again, thank you for the work that you have done and will do. And thank you for joining us on Somewhere in the Skies. Absolute pleasure. Somewhere in the Skies is part of the Somewhere Podcast Universe. Please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. To learn more about all of our shows, visit the SPU.com. Spectrevision Radio.

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