Somewhere in the Skies - Disturbing UAP Whistleblower Harassment Exposed , White House Purchases Alien Web Domains, More Missing McCasland News, Travis Walton Case and Famous Bigfoot Film Hoax Confessions

Episode Date: March 25, 2026

On this episode of Somewhere in the Skies LIVE, Ryan and Suzanne break down the latest UFO news, including... - A Meteor Crashes into a Home in Houston - Scientists are Stunned by Asteroid Bennu Findings - Pilots report a "Buga Sphere" in Canada and a Morphing UFO over Nevada - Has the Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot Video Finally Been Solved? - Links Between Neurodivergence and “Anomalous Communication” - White House Purchases TWO Alien Website Domains - Matthew Brown Claims a PSYOP on Whistleblowers from Within - Troubling Connections of Missing Persons and Deaths Tied to General McCasland - A Deathbed Confession that the Travis Walton Case is a Hoax If you're interested in participating the neurodivergence/anomalous study, email Marina Weiler, PhD at: [e-mail] Read The Sentinel Network articles at: https://thesentinelnetwork.substack.com/ Please take a moment to rate and review us on Spotify and Apple. Follow Suzanne on X: https://x.com/csuzannelanders Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://www.cameo.com/ryansprague51?utm_campaign=profile_share Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Substack: https://ryansprague.substack.com/ All Socials and Books: https://linktr.ee/somewhereskiespod Email: [e-mail] SpectreVision Radio: https://www.spectrevision.com/podcasts Opening Theme Song by Septembryo Closing Song by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2026 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. Livestream Music by ‘Punch Deck’ - Listen and Subscribe at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC8L5srkt4 This content constitutes transformative work and is used under the principles of fair use for purposes including, but not limited to, criticism, commentary, satire, news reporting, teaching, education, and research. #UFOs #UFO #UFOnews #Disclosure #UAP #UAPresearch #UAPnews #MissingPersons #TrueCrime #Alien #Aliens #Bigfoot #Paranormal #Space #SpaceNews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Got to stay on brand, baby. Right there, right? We have so much to cover tonight, guys. We're going to break some hearts tonight, I think. Not in a good way. Not in a good way. It has come to light that allegedly a few things that we have sort of hung our hats on for a very long time are claimed to be hoaxes. but we will get to all of that tonight with you i put a poll up on you to make sure you vote in that

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give my voice. Both Suzanne and I were super sick last week. Her more than I was. I think I'm feeling it this week for sure, but suffering all week. But we had to do this live stream tonight, guys, because like I said, we've had a lot, a lot to cover. But Lucy, thank you. Thank you so much. I'll get working on that T-shirt. Asap. Cool, cool, cool. What else do I have here? Oh, yes, of course, before we get to the news. I got to ask you guys to also head on over. Oh, hello, Suzanne. Sorry. Head on over to Apple Podcasts and Spotify. And rate and review the podcast over there if you can. I would truly appreciate that.

Your ratings and reviews truly do help us gain visibility, find new listeners, and everything in between. I would really appreciate that. Who's calling me, right? now. Someone's calling me. I don't want to out their phone number. They got to know I'm doing a live stream. Ah, boy. Anyways, James Craig, thank you so much for the $20 super chat. Buddy. Truly do appreciate that. We're almost to our goal already, guys. Climbing high. Thank you. He says the UFO and paranormal world keep taking hits, but we're all still here. Exactly. We are all still here. We will remain here as well. But yes, going over to Apple Podcasts. Spotify, rate and review on Spotify.

You can rate the show and leave comments on these specific episodes. So what I want you guys to do? You know what time it is. Code word time. If you put this code word that I'm about to give you into your Apple podcast review

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That will make a lot of sense with several stories tonight, unfortunately. But that's it, guys. Let's get to the UFO space and science-related news for you. And we are going to be starting with this story tonight. A meteorite crashes into a Houston home. This poor woman. that you are seeing on your screen right now if you're watching this on YouTube. If you're just listening in the future over on the podcast, we will get introduced to this woman

in just a moment here. So on Saturday, March 21st, a large sonic boom and green flash occurred in Houston, Texas. Hundreds saw it and reported it. Then soon after, a woman named Sherry James claimed that a meteorite had crashed into her home. So we're going to go ahead and watch a local news report about this story. I don't think this is the first time we've covered this on the live stream where a meteorite crashed into someone's like freaking bedroom. Could you imagine? Well, you don't have to imagine because Sherry's about to tell us all about it.

So let's hear about this story of the meteorite crashing into the home. Here we go. of questions on social media about a loud boom heard across Houston. Well, those same questions are brewing in this home right here in this Ponderosa Forest neighborhood because this rock came flying through their roof, through the ceiling into their daughter's bedroom, onto the floor, bounced off the floor and hit the ceiling over here and then fell onto the bed. Now, they called the Ponderosa Fire Department who said they've never seen a rock like this in think it might be part of a meteorite. Here's what the family of this home had to say.

I'm like, oh my goodness, I just didn't know what it was and I was like, and I saw the rock. And the first thing come to my mind was it's a meteor. You hear this loud noise. You run up to your daughter's room and you see a rock on the floor. I was holding it. I would say it's probably like six pounds. Yes, it's very heavy. It's very heavy. It's very heavy. heavy and it don't look like cement or like a normal rock or anything, but it's just the weight of it. You could tell there's something different. But the first thing I looked, I saw the hole in the ceiling, the point, the impact on the floor. So it had to be coming down with force to come through the roof. I got my grandson again to go in the attic. I said, look at them roofs. See if I got a hole in the

roof. You got a hole in the roof. So I called the fine department and they sent the constable over and they looked the first thing they thought it's probably something fell off a plane. The fire department left. Then they came back and they said, Miss James, we believe that is a meteor. They said a meteor exploded over the north part of Houston and it came out and fragments came from it. And you said, we believe that is what they says. It's a media right. Because when I saw the rock on the floor, that was really scape me. I'm like, what is that? Constable, actually it was the one that picked it up and put it in the bag because I don't want to put me. my hands on it.

You're thinking I'm going to turn into an alien. Exactly. I don't know, no alien bacteria to get on me or no radiation or whatever. Some people have to be thinking you're crazy. What would you say to them? No, I'm far from it. Far from crazy. But this is, I mean, like I say, it is exciting and it is scary and exciting at the same

time, but you know, it could happen. In the meteor, right? Yeah, it can happen to anybody, I guess, though. Oh, man. Poor lady. She took this in stride, if you ask me. I mean, this could be deadly. Obviously, the thing came through the roof,

bounced off the floor, hit the ceiling, bounced off the floor, hit the ceiling, and then crashed under the bed. Like, imagine if her kid was there. I just, you can plan for anything in life, but you cannot plan for something like this. we need meteorite insurance because as i believe it was pat galliger pointed out yes in the chat here i watched uh i watched this on james channel yesterday there was like five of them worldwide in a few days also in

ohio with a big boom afterwards yeah so i mean it's like raining meteorites everywhere globally right now what is going on what is going on and put it in your pocket. I love it, Sean Andrew. Love it, love it, love it. But yeah, wishing Cherry the best, and I hope they get it analyzed. I hope they get NASA comes and gets it.

So NASA's meteoroid environment's office corroborated the report of the sonic boom and meteorite, stating that a meteor traveled over Texas at 4.45 p.m. It traveled west east, just south of the woodlands. Now they'll have to retrieve the rock to see if it's a piece of what fell to Earth. Houston. So if we get any developments and it is a space rock,

we will let you guys know, but it sure as heck looks like one, if you ask me. I wonder if she gets to keep it, or if NASA takes it. I don't know. I don't know. But we're moving to another rock,

another space rock, an asteroid. This is really exciting news. Now, there have been whispers about this. Dan Zetterstrom told me about the story a few weeks ago. We didn't have time to cover on the actual show, but this is really interesting. So the Benu asteroid, as it's called, samples from the asteroid NASA has brought to Earth, they suggest that life's building blocks may be widespread in the universe after collecting this asteroid. Recent analysis of Asteroid Benu samples returned by NASA's Osiris Rex mission has revealed something extraordinary.

a rich inventory of organic compounds that mirror the fundamental ingredients of life on Earth. Scientists identified at least 14 amino acids used by living organisms, along with many others not used biologically, as well as key components tied to DNA and RNA. Even more surprising, these molecules appear to have formed in extremely cold, distant regions of the early solar system, far beyond where Earth formed, suggesting that the chemistry necessary for life does not require Earth-like conditions to emerge. The samples also include sugars like glucose and evidence of watery mineral-rich environments on Benu's parent body, hinting that the building blocks of life were not only present, but potentially preserved and chemically active in space long before

planets like Earth fully formed. This has a profound implication for both human origins and the possibility of alien life. If asteroids like Benu carry these ingredients across the solar system, they may have played a direct role in seeding early Earth with the raw materials needed for life, a concept known as panspermia. In this view, life on Earth may not have begun entirely here, but instead emerged from a cosmic supply chain of organic chemistry delivered by ancient impacts. Even more compelling is the realization that these ingredients appear to be widespread,

not rare, meaning the same process could be unfolding on countless other worlds. As one NASA scientist noted, the presence of these compounds strengthens the idea that life's building blocks are widespread throughout the solar system, increasing the chances that life could arise elsewhere. In that sense, Benu is more than a relic. It may be evidence that the story of life, including our own origins, is part of a much larger universal phenomenon. We ain't special, guys, which is both depressing and exciting.

We are special. Every single one of us, if you really think about it. Every single human being on this. This planet beat the odds. And you became who you are. You were the one who was conceived, who was birthed, and who is living. I know that sounds weird, but just think about it for a minute. Out of the billions and billions of you know what that could help make life, you were the one.

You were the one. We are all star seats. We all may actually be star seeds. We may have come from the stars and from beyond this planet. I love this. Benu, you've done it again. Absolutely love it. But we're going to move from an asteroid to a sphere.

The bugosphere is back, baby. And it is moved to the north and to Canada. So on January 19th, during a West Jet flight from Winnipe, to Calgary, pilots reported a startling encounter while descending for a landing. At approximately 13,000 feet, they observed and passed close to what was described as a metallic basketball-sized object suspended in the air. The incident later filed by Nav Canada to Transport Canada was categorized under multiple possible explanations, including a weather balloon,

a meteor, a rocket, or a service UFO referral, which is the official protocol for reporting vital intelligence sightings of UFOs. The ambiguity of the classification underscores the uncertainty surrounding what the pilots actually encountered, especially given the potential danger posed by even small airborne objects at that altitude. According to Canadian UFO researcher Chris Rakowski, who we talked about last week and who sent me this story, because guess who got the first report on it, the preeminent UFO researcher in Canada, Chris Rakowski shouting him out yet again. So according to Rakowski, the citing adds to a growing number of reports already logged this year, including several from pilots, individuals whose observational reliability is critical. to aviation safety. Chris noted that if the object had been a balloon, trained pilots likely would have

identified it as such, and emphasized that commercial drones do not typically operate at such high altitudes. So while Rikovsky joked about the incident, he also pointed to its significance, particularly the implication, but the object appeared stationary as the aircraft passed by. With over a thousand UFO settings reported across Canada last year alone, this case, contributes to that number, raising continued questions about what may be in the skies with commercial air traffic. Oh, man. The spheres are everywhere, guys. They are everywhere.

Suzanne, our moderator and co-host says, I've seen one sphere out here in New Mexico. It flew at about a billion miles per hour right over my car. Whoa. We need to talk about that. that's going to happen. Amazing. I want to shout out another super chat here.

Love you, Ryan. I'm sure you know Klaus and Garrett. I know that Andy is spoken to Klaus, and I would love for you to have Garrett on. Absolutely, the more the merrier. Let's party it up. Klaus, Garrett, let's do this, baby. Reach out to me.

Email is in the show notes. Thank you so much for the super. the trooper chat. Thank you, poor the trooper chats. Oh, by the way, guys, if you have seen a sphere or orb,

just make sure that you're crediting it to Ryan Bletso. I believe that is the protocol now. All orbs must be reported to the Bledso institution of Orbity Orb

orbs. So, yeah. Make sure. Make sure your orbs end up in the hands of Ryan Bledso. Turn and cough. Let's move to another pilot UFO sighting. This one comes to us from John Greenwald over at the Black Vault.

The Black Vault obtains FAA audio of another pilot encounter. This one's interesting. Very, very interesting. So on May 20th, 2025, the crew of Priester Aviation Flight PWA 192 reported an unidentified object flying alongside their aircraft for an extended distance over Nevada. The description of the object evolved in real time from a dark circular shape to something resembling more like a fighter aircraft before it rapidly ascended and disappeared. That's interesting that it morphed in shape.

Was that just the perception of the pilot? observing it. I do wonder. But let's listen. We have the actual audio with the FAA in the pilots, the control tower, as it were. John Greenwald was able

to obtain that. So I'm going to play that for you guys. And then, yeah, we'll read a little bit more about this this citing after. This is really interesting. Give me one sec to find that video for you here. Here we go. Well, I'm not showing anything else. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not,

I don't have any... I don't have any... ...and 2, are you still showing... ...a triple 7 or something similar from the distance for us. But, yeah, he's still out there just to beam up. That's like maybe 2,000 feet above. At Priestin 1-92, you're saying that it's also... It was on TCAS, too.

At Priesterm 192, he still said it's all black, and it looks like an air... Same altitude, maybe 20 miles off our right wing, about relative altitude now. Priestin 192, Roger, that's in the... Are you still showing the traffic that the target you're looking at above you? And Priester, 192, is it to your left wing or your... Do you see anything maybe at your 10 to 11 o'clock in about 15 miles? Essentially an aircraft-looking black object?

Should be around your L-2, maybe between 35,000 and 37,000. Mr. 192, do you happen to think it's essentially a stealth fighter? Are they out of your visual range now? Information, the Prester 192, they reported a black airplane-like, following them for the last maybe 100 miles of flight, but in the last 10 minutes, that air, potentially UFO out there, the dent is already looking into it.

Wow. I love these types of calls. It's just to hear in real time aviation experts baffled by something, it gives me chills. It really does. Now, was this a stealth craft? This was Nevada? it is very possible, especially since, you know, maybe as they got closer, it took on more of the form of a fighter.

It is possible, but, you know, stealth bomber in the range, the flight path of like a commercial flight seems a little weird, in my opinion. You think they would be a little bit safer than that. A little bit more from the article here, I think it's important to kind of point these things out. the absence of radar data leaves a significant gap, John Greenwald points out, particularly given the FAA log's explicit statement that no radar targets were observed in the area. So that's weird, too, that whatever this object aircraft was, it was not showing up on radar. Maybe it was stealth. Maybe it was a, but again, like, if it's at a certain altitude, it can't evade being, like,

tracked on radar, I think, I don't know exactly how those things. I always thought like bombers and whatnot had to be super low. That's how they kind of stayed off radar. But I'm probably very, very wrong on that. Maybe flying pyramid. Yeah, Jay Allen.

Yeah, honestly. Could it be, look, I'll say this. In just a couple hours, we will be bringing you guys a brand new episode of the podcast where we interview a gentleman named Anders Ottson who runs a YouTube channel called Uncanny Expeditions.

If you're not subscribed, go subscribe right now. And this guy goes out to all these classified military sites. And he has exposed black projects going on out at Area 51, out at Creech, out at Nostasht's Range, out at Dougway Proving Ground. Like the dude has gone to all these places. And he has captured some of the most incredible footage and photos of things we are not supposed to see. And he has images of, he's the one who came out with that Dorito-shaped UFO recently. We talked all about that in the interview. He was the first, I believe, to capture

images of, there's a newer, not the Reaper drone, but a higher, more advanced, top secret drone or unmanned aerial vehicle. He he got pretty damn close with his telescopic lens and got a really good look at that thing. So maybe it is one of these things being tested out there, but it just seems so unsafe to me. So unsafe. But yeah, I thought this is pretty interesting. The encounter occurred northeast of Reno, Nevada, which is an area surrounded by multiple military testing and training facilities. And these locations are associated with advanced aviation testing.

So it is plausible. that it could be a top secret military aircraft. The FAA's records ultimately categorize the object is unidentified. While the log leans toward an aircraft like explanation, the lack of radar correlation, the extended pacing behavior, and the rapid vertical departure leave key questions unresolved. So I'm sure we'll be hearing more from John Greenwald about this in the future. I hope so.

It's a really interesting case, and one we should keep our eyes on for sure. Okay. I got one more story for you guys. Then we're going to take a little break and bring Suzanne in after that to talk all UFOs. But right now, I want to go back to Bigfoot. Now, last week we covered Bigfoot because there was a surge of Bigfoot sightings in Ohio that our really good friend Jeremiah Byron over at the Bigfoot Society has been covering, has been tracking.

last time I checked, they were up to nine or ten sightings. The Bigfoot was moving east towards Pennsylvania even. I got to check in with them to see what's going on with that story. But I said that was probably going to be our only Bigfoot story of like the month, maybe even the year. Boy, was I wrong. One week later, here we are covering Bigfoot again. But not in the way I had hoped. So who's familiar with the Patterson?

Gimlin Bigfoot video. Everyone, literally every single human being on the planet has seen the Patterson Gimlin UFO video. It is the most famous video next to the JFK assassination video. Both of these are the most watched video in the history of the world. And probably two of the most loudly contested and debated videos of all times. but the headline here has the Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot video finally been proven to be a hoax. A new documentary called Capturing Bigfoot by Mark Evans recently premiered at South by Southwest,

and it revisits the 1967 Patterson Gimlin film, long considered one of the strongest pieces of evidence for Bigfoot's existence. Sorry, guys. The documentary featured interviews with those connected to the original footage and examines claims that the encounter may have been staged. It points to alleged costume involvement, inconsistencies in the story, and Roger Patterson's possible financial motivations. As key reasons, many now believe the footage was a hoax. But what was the main evidence brought forward? It was a 16mm film that was locked away for almost 60 years and was brought forward by none other than Patterson's own son.

This story gets more and more heartbreaking. Where do you see the look on the face of the guy I'm about to play in this video? So the YouTube channel, Harry Mann Road, hosted by Eric Palcios, covered seeing a screening of the documentary at South by Southwest. And he had the following to say about it. This is literally moments after he left the screening of the documentary. So put yourself in the shoes of this guy. He runs a Bigfoot YouTube channel.

He's clearly a believer. He clearly probably has hung his hat on the Patterson Gimlin film for decades, like many in the Bigfoot community have and do. and probably still will continue to do. But just imagine, like, as a UFO people, you know, that we found out that, like, you know, Roswell was a hoax. Or the Travis Walton incident was a hoax. Wait, what?

Stay tuned. Just imagine having your heart shattered into a million pieces. Let's watch the video. I want to give a special shout out to Harry Man Road. Be sure to go check out that channel, subscribe. But I'm going to play a clip from the video that he did right after getting out of the screening. Here we go. Give me one sec to find it.

Here we go. Scott out of the premiere of capturing Sasquatch. If you guys don't know what that is, that is the new documentary that has some incredible footage that was recently released. It had been hidden in a safe for over 60 years. years, and it, without a doubt, shows the Patterson Gimlin footage to be a host. The documentary follows the story of Clint Patterson, Patterson, Roger Patterson's youngest son, and how he has been trying to break this story white open for, I think he said, like, six years, maybe eight years, something like that.

ever since then, he's had issues with a lot of people, even a lot of people, unfortunately, in his family. And the documentary really touches on the relationship he has with the people surrounding the footage, including his own mother, which they mentioned in the documentary he was estranged from, after he told her that he was going to come forward saying that it was a hoax. One of the voices that stood out to me watching the documentary was the voice of Al Diatley.

He was Roger Patterson's brother-in-law. Many people know that. And his business, which was a paving business, I believe, was in a lot of financial trouble. and the reason behind the Patterson footage creation or existence is because Al Diatli had agreed to help Roger Patterson with this mission and there are tapes that are played

in the documentary where he's basically saying, I don't give an F about Bigfoot. All Patterson's family wanted to do is talk about cowboy shit, I could care less. Just didn't really seem like a nice person. That's just my opinion. Didn't seem like a really nice person.

Clint is the good guy in this. Patterson's widow is the good person in this. They are good people. The reason it took so long for Clint to come out is because his mother was making so much money from the licensing from the original Patterson footage. You can see it's been on Discovery Channel. History Channel, it's been all over the place.

You know, growing up as a kid here, you know, watching cable, you would see that maybe a couple times a week. So that was her nest egg. That's what they call it in the documentary. They call it her nesting. That's where she wasn't working. She was getting money by the licensing of the Patterson film. They have to excuse me. I got some sinuses going on Cedar Fever.

But they, um, she didn't want that to end and several years back Clint Patterson said he was going to come forward and tell the truth and he told this to his mother and she did not want to give up her nest egg but for me the most damning part was the new footage

the new 16 millimeter footage that was brought to the university where the director worked. And it's shocking. It's absolutely shocking. I think when people are going to see this, there is absolutely no question. That is the same suit that was filmed in the Patterson footage. 100%. It has, it's dark like the Patterson footage. It has breast like the Patterson footage. You could even see the head is the same. shape. Everything is the same. While I'm watching it, I'm kind of stunned because it's Patty,

but it's Patty like we've never seen before. It's a different location. It's, it was shocking. It was, I had my mouth open the entire time I'm watching it. It is in a different location, like I said, but it's the same suit. It's 100% the same suit. And even, they were i can't remember who it was someone looked at it and saw the same lines and they show this in they show the footage in real time to all the major players they show it to jeff meldrum jeff meldrum when he sees it he almost gets teary-eyed he's like kind of freaking out he's basically saying well that looks like a dry run for the patterson footage that's what he says i'll just give you guys a little breakdown of what is in this new video. It's very short, maybe about 40 seconds,

but we see the very first shot is of a somewhat on an Appaloosa pony horse, a pony. And it is Bob Gimlin. Bob Gimlet was involved in this dry run, in this dress rehearsal of the Patterson Gimlet footage. It's 100% without a doubt. Bob Gimbley and the horse in that famous photo that he had or whatever. There's like a famous photo of them altogether, Patterson and Gimlin and Erotubus. It's that same horse he's riding. Without a doubt, you could see him, but he's smiling. I think he's holding a pistol.

He's in a race slicker. It shows to him riding a couple steps, and then it comes to Patty. We see Patty there, kind of behind a tree a little bit, but after that, in the wide opening, we still get a little bit of shaking, but not near. as much of the Patterson footage. We just get a little bit of shaking. We see it's behind a tree that boom, it's out the open and you see it. You see Patty Al Diatli in a suit in all of its beautiful glory.

And it is amazing to behold because it's the safe suit. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I don't know what else to say, guys. I really don't know what else to say, except that. It's over. The Patterson footage is a hoax 100%. Man, I feel for that guy.

And the fact that Jeffrey Meldrum, like, saw that, the preeminent Bigfoot researcher, who was, I believe, passed away at this point. Like, he, he, not the best way to go out. I'll put it that way. Am I correct on that? Did Meljum pass away? I hope I'm not starting a rumor.

What do you guys think? I see you in the chat. Do you still think? What do you think? I saw our good buddy in the chat here. My buddy from Osaka said this. I want to see the documentary for myself. Lots of mixed reviews from different people.

A lot of bad actors involved in the son of Patterson was ostracized from the family. to withhold judgment. That is a good point. You know, the son who is bringing all this forward was kind of an outcast. So was that his motivation to kind of do this? I don't know.

Donnie Falls says, I thought Patterson said he faked it decades ago. I think there was talk that he maybe was going to come forward or said it, but it never really like took off the way this documentary seems to be saying. I don't know. this is a good point Sean says it's funny how the standard of evidence required for debunking is never anywhere as high as the evidence demanded by debunkers when the boots on the other foot funny that he has such a good boy man like yeah there's always that like constant debate

like well the burden of proof is on you no the burden of proof is on you no the burden of proof is on you no the bird and you just keep going in this circle between skeptics and believers But it is interesting, nonetheless. What's Xex says, it's like he just learned that Santa Claus wasn't real. Oh. Okay, Melcham did pass away. Rest in peace, my friend. Yeah, I didn't know that, like, this is one of the last things he was probably a part of,

like, in the mainstream was this documentary about that Gimlin film being hopes. But you know what? Maybe that's a good thing too. Like let's say this was a hoax and we can put it to rest. Maybe Melbourne was fine with that. He's like, yo, this does not negate the reality and existence of Bigfoot. It merely debunks one video. Granted, it's an extremely important video.

But the Bigfoot research will go on. The Bigfoot community will go on. I put a joke out, I think, on Facebook the other day being like, wow, the Bigfoot community finally knows what UFO people have been suffering for decades ever since they told us Roswell was a weather balloon. So, you know, we've had our hearts working many times here in the UFO world. Maybe it was about time in the Bigfoot world, but we will be by your sides. We'll hug you. We'll support you. There will be more.

There will be more. But, yeah, capturing big. Bigfoot, the documentary, it stopped short of debunking the creature itself, which is important. Instead, it encourages a more critical look at evidence moving forward, potentially marking a turning point for the Bigfoot community as it continues to search for answers. So yes, this does not destroy the existence of Bigfoot. It merely helps us get a clearer picture of what is and what isn't. and right now, according to this documentary

and those who have seen it, for many, it isn't proof that Bigfoot exists and this was all a hoax. But hopefully all of us will be the deciders of that when we see the documentary. I don't know if and when there's a release date. Like I said, it's screening right now at South by Southwest. So we'll see. We'll see in the future.

Good Lord, we spend a lot of time on Bigfoot. Commercial break. We're going to come back because we have so much more to cover in terms of UFOs. A new study investigating a link between neurodivergence and anomalous communication. The White House purchasing some pretty interesting website domains. Arrow possibly getting defunded. Crazy, crazy stuff. More information connecting the missing woman to General William Neal McCaslin.

This story is continuing. to unfold. We're going to dive into that. The Matthew Brown interview on weaponized has really been making some waves in the UFO community. So we're going to break down some of that as well, including our final story of the night, which is a deathbed confession claiming something pretty interesting about the Travis Walton incident. So all of this, when we come back, we will be joined by Suzanne Landers. So stick around, guys. and we will be right back with Somewhere in the Skies Live. Hey guys, Ryan Sprague here from Somewhere in the Skies.

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fit for your ambition for citizens back. Welcome back to Somewhere in the Skies Live. And let's not waste any more time. Let's bring her in. We're going to talk all about the latest UFO news and controversies with our moderator and our co-host. Welcome, Suzanne Landers. Back to the show. Hi, everybody.

How's it going? It's going great, feeling much better. Poor husband, not so much. Not so much. Yeah, I'm studying my. best to fill that's what happens that's what happens once it's in the house you know yep but hey you uh you must have recovered in time because you and i were both able to catch a movie at the cinema recently right were you able to catch it yes it was so good yeah you guys probably know what we're

talking about we are talking about project hell mary oh my god susan So initial reactions, what did you think of Ryan Gosling's Project Hell Mary? Golly. So this is one of my favorite books of all time. I don't have a lot of leisure time to read and, you know, because we spend so much time on this and other things. But this is a book I have read twice. And I can count on one hand the number of times I've been willing to do that. And so when I heard it was going to be a movie, I immediately.

started worrying. Like, don't ruin one of my favorite books of all time. Please don't ruin it. Please do a good job. They knocked it out of the park. They knocked it out of the park. I'd love to know what their tech budget was, the AI, and the real effects were perfect. It's amazing.

As far as I know, there was no AI used in this movie whatsoever. it was, you know, your classic special effects and, and whatnot. It was not like AI generated. It was made by humans, which really astounded me. A lot of practical effects as well were used for this. Now, you were kind enough to gift me with this book for Christmas. And I was about halfway through when I heard the movie was coming out. So I'm like, I was like racing to try to get done with the book.

book. I did not finish the book yet. I still have to. But I did go see the movie opening morning here in the UK. And I went to a 10 o'clock morning show because I love going to early shows. Usually it's not as busy. It's when the diehards are there who really just want to see a movie. They're not going to hang out, socialize, make out in the back or any of that. On their phones. Yeah. Yeah. They're there to see the movie. And I walked in there, Mosy and in thinking there's going to be empty seats. Good Lord, that place was packed at 10 a.m. I was so happy.

Happy for the movie, for sure. But it was beautiful, absolutely beautiful. I thought it stayed pretty darn close to the book in many ways, but it also is its own thing, which is very important. The messages in the movie of humanity and coming together and communication. obviously being a big part of it. And my God, the alien in this movie just melted my heart. I know.

Isn't it amazing how you feel so differently when someone's not pushing a threat narrative? You know, it really might be something that is not angry and menacing and determined to undo us all. And this story is that. And if you would like to either read or listen to the book before you go to the movie, I strongly recommend the audiobook too because the narrator of that book could not be more perfect for this book. Oh, interesting.

Yeah. I might have to check that out. I'll do the trifecta book, movie, audiobook, book, movie, audio book. Exactly. You'll like it. Well, I have no doubt Ryan Gosling is going to be nominated for an Oscar. No question. No one else could have pulled this off.

And just for our listeners, you may know that the author of this book also wrote the book called The Martian, which is also made into a movie. And so see him back to back. Absolutely. He's got another book, Artemis, I believe it's called. Isn't it about to go into movie production as well?

I believe so. This guy is just on a role, Andy Weir, is his name. There was one other thing I was going, oh, I'm going on a campaign right now to get Phil Lord. He's one of the directors of the movie. I reached out to him on Twitter and on Instagram. want to interview about the movie. So guys, if you can do me a huge favor, go over to Twitter,

tag Phil Lord, let him know to come on somewhere in the skies. I want to talk to them all about aliens and this movie. Go over to Instagram, tag him as well. Let's get him on somewhere in the sky. Really, really, really want to talk about it. I hope you'll respond. Everybody go, take the second, do that. Go do that. Please, please, please. Okay. Let's move. to the first story that I wanted to cover with you tonight, Suzanne. This is really interesting. I love this stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. I thought you would. I thought you would. That's why I definitely wanted to do in court. It comes from our good friend and colleague, Chrissy Newton, over at the deep brief. And the headline was, a new study is investigating the link between neurodivergence and anomalous communication. I'm going to read a little bit here. Researchers at the University of Virginia's Division of Pershing.

conceptual studies or DOPS are launching a study to better understand how the human brain processes unusual forms of perception and communication, experiences sometimes described as telepathic or anomalous. The study aims to explore how individuals interpret information that falls outside conventional scientific models, while also recognizing that human cognition exists on a spectrum. The work intersects with the growing concept of neurodiversions, which reframes difference in thinking, such as ADHD, autism, and dyslexia, not as deficits, but as natural variations in how people experience and interact with the

world. Now, the research is open to a wide range of participants, including those who believe they've had intuitive, telepathic, or otherwise unexplained. experiences, as well as people close to them who have witnessed such phenomena. Importantly, the study is not limited to individuals who identify as neurodivergent. It seeks both firsthand accounts and outside observations to build a more complete picture of these experiences. Participation may involve interviews and questionnaires all conducted voluntarily and under strict

confidential guidelines with flexible options such as remote participation and optional recording. Really interesting. Now, a lot of this work is also being done with a neuroscientist named Julia Mossbridge, and she actually cautions that the, let me see here, the ongoing debates within the scientific and medical communities about how broadly the concept of neurodiversity should be applied. Some researchers support expanding the category to include conditions like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, while others like Julia Mospridge caution that doing so may blur important distinctions and risk minimizing the need for medical treatment and support. Mospridge also raises ethical concerns about how individuals with

unusual cognitive or perceptual experiences are classified and studied, emphasizing the importance of consent, proper care, and fair recognition of their friends. contributions. That was a lot. I apologize, but it's a really detailed story. So where do we begin? What do you think of this? Here's what I think is really positive about this story. The open-minded look at how we think and how we process and how we communicate might be finally happening. I think it started maybe a year ago a little longer than a year ago with the telepathy tapes and neurodivergent children. And if you haven't listened to that podcast, that is a fascinating walk through the wilderness. But now we're watching it expand.

So, you know, I've always thought, I can remember it's a little bitty girl thinking my brain can do more than what I'm doing with it. You know, I've always felt like we're just barely tapping what is available to us. So I'm hoping that's where this leads us. Absolutely. You know, I haven't had a chance to listen to the time. telepathy tapes, but literally everyone in their mother has told me I have to check it out. This will mother. You know what it'll do to you?

And it's sort of like listening to Project Hell Mary in the audio format. I walk every day several miles. And there are days on both of those audios where I would walk an extra mile or two because I wasn't ready to stop what I was listening to. Wow. That happens to me too. I throw it on the phone and hit the trail. There are been times I put on like UFO podcasts because, you know, when I'm not making it, I'm listening to them.

I got to know what's going on and what everyone's covering all that stuff. But I also am obsessed with UFOs, obviously. Like I, this isn't just like a gig for me. I live, breathe, sleep this stuff because it means a lot to me. So I listen to all the other shows because it opens my mind. And there are times I've been so caught up in an episode of whatever, that UFO podcast with Andy, what it means to be human with Dan, you know, what are the other ones I'm listening to?

Micahanks, obviously, Chrissy Newton's show. There's so many, so many out there, so many good shows. And I will be gone for hours on end. And I'm like, oh, crap, I think I may have missed a meeting or two or something. I've run out of water. I have to go home now. This is one of them. Okay, I'm going to have to check out the telepathy tapes.

But I'm going to need to. I think. Yeah. So I don't, I have to be completely up front with you. I don't know enough about neurodivergence, autism, ADHD. I don't know enough about these things to comment responsibly on if there could be any connections between these things. But look, I mean, if the stuff. It's a study.

Like, you don't find things out unless you do a study. If it's being done ethically and if the information and data is peer reviewed and there's a consensus, that's science. So, you know what? Do it. I did put a link in the show notes to, I want to let people know the person to contact if you want to be a part of the study or to learn more. Her name is Dr. Marina Wiley, and her email is in the show notes right now of this episode. So you guys can reach out to Dr. Marina Wiley if you would like to take part in this study. If you believe that you may be an individual that they want to speak to about this, reach out.

What's the harm? I hope no harm. I guess that's my concern. I think there is no harm. And I think that you watch and listen and learn. And, you know, I think it's no different than what our UFO whistleblowers are calling for from our government, which is to study it. You can't tell us what these objects are over our military installations. Study it in a structured way.

Or you watch the Soul Foundation. Study it, study it for the, so that it can go to peer review. And that's what I think is happening here. We're watching technical approach to figure out how this work. Okay. I'm in. Sold. Me too. So everyone in the chat is like, dude, Ryan, watch. Watch the show. It's happening. It's happening. I'm friends with the host or on the, or friends. They followed me on Twitter at some point. So, yeah. You're going to want to do an episode on it somehow. Oof. Yeah. I'm going to go down the rabbit hole for sure. You're going to go down the rabbit hole.

Oh, Garrett says the telepathy tapes were the start of my journey to returning back to God. Wow. Yeah, big stuff. Okay. And for those of you who have not watched it, this isn't like a spoiler because it's a science-based program. But these children who are neurodivergent have apparently been communicating, although not audibly. And they communicate with other neurodivergent children. And sometimes with their parents, sometimes parents have learned how to tap in.

So it's really interesting. Communication comes, as Ryan says, in all formats. Absolutely. If Project Helmerry taught us anything. That's right. That's right. I want to give a special shout out to Trudy for the $20 super chat. Very nice of you.

Thank you so much, guys. That's four. We need one more to reach our goal, guys. Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Okay. True UFO time. All right.

We're back on top. We're back on topic. Aliens.gov, Suzanne. I know it. I know it. It's happening. Dark 30 in the morning. His time I'm like, I hope you're awake.

Are you awake? You need to wake up. You see this. Click here. There's never a dull day in UFO land. So the White House has purchased two website domains that have to do with aliens. And we're also going to be talking on a story that connects to this, the defunding. of arrow. So let me read a little bit here.

I shall endeavor not to do any back side effects this time. I mean, not sound effects. It's not side effects. Bad side effects. I get side effects and that makes me do sound effects. There we go. There we go. So this past week, the White House purchased two website domains, alien.gov and aliens.gov. While they are not yet active, it is many people speculating

on what these will be for, and will they be where they end up housing any declassified files on UFOs and aliens that Trump promised? Could it take over for where Representative Anna Paulina Luna said that UFO files would go, which was the National Archives website? Only time will tell, but this leads, Suzanne, to a recent spate of interviews with Anna Paulina, who heads the Federal Secrets Task Force, And she said the following. I'm going to play this clip and then I'm going to get your thoughts on aliens.gov and what she had to say. Sound good? Sounds great. All right.

Here we go. One sec. All right. Here it is. We are headed, Congresswoman, for a full disclosure and transparency about UAPs, which we used to call UFOs. I do. I mean, I think it was just this week. Didn't they start a website?

for releasing this information? From my understanding, they're going to put it on the National Archives, but if they've booked the website, so I actually head up the Disclosure Task Force in Congress on Declassification of Federal Secrets, and what I will tell you is there's some things. So that's why you know so much stuff, right? I'm a nerd.

In all seriousness, there's some things that we can't explain, and there is a problem with over-classification, but also when you have duly elected members of Congress being denied access, that's a problem, because we're supposed to be the, you know, check and balance on some of these agencies. And so you'll see some interesting stuff. The federal government will never come out and tell you what to believe. I think they're here.

Well, there's definitely stuff that we can explain. I'm not shy about it. Okay. How about that? So did you have to, I say I got a message. You have to go off camera. Are you good? I dropped my mouth.

Oh, gosh. Don't worry about it. So the mouse has been retrieved. The mouse has returned. The mouse has returned. Okay. So let's go back to aliens.gov and alien.gov. What did you think when you learned about this?

And what do you think it means? Well, I think we're getting ready to go. Now, I put a caveat in here, you know. Okay. I don't know what go means. Does it mean that we are going to get a whole bunch of what we've already seen or a whole bunch of stuff that we can readily explain, or are they going to throw in some of that stuff

and some stuff that we might find interesting and inexplicable to just sort of safe face? I don't know, but I do think they're getting ready for this. I did a lot of reading and following around on this all week long, and it does look like this is not related to immigration, which was my initial concern. Me too. It is related somehow to non-human intelligence.

So, you know, as always in the subject, we're going to have to sit and watch and wait. And then we can really assess. But I think, you know, and the other thing I put with it, and maybe you do too is the president keeps telling people he's doing this. It's not like it got said one time and it's off the chart. He continues to repeat it to others in different locations. So I think we're a good. go for now. Interesting.

Yeah. I mean, at first I was like, oh, is this like a weird immigration situation? And they're using the word aliens for it. But no, I trust the research you've done and probably the people you've spoken to. But I don't know. I don't know. It sounds like there's kind of some friction with whatever that is and what Anna Paulina Luna is doing with the Federal Secrets Task Corps.

She's like, we already discussed this. Like everything that we're doing and the files are going to the National Archive website. What the hell is this stuff going on? Are they? Are they? I'm not sure they are. Yeah. Well, that was not really the only friction going on.

No. Because she also made some pretty interesting remarks lately on some other shows and then on Twitter as well. I'm going to read this here. Okay. So Representative Anna Polina Luna has escalated her efforts around UFO transparency by directly calling for the defunding and dismantling of the all-domain anomaly resolution office or Arrow, signaling a major shift in congressional frustration with the agency. Her stance reflects a broader distrust among lawmakers who, after attending classified briefings, believe Arrow has failed to provide clear answers or act as a genuine vehicle for UFO disclosure.

Critics argue that the office has produced flawed reports, relied on questionable sourcing, and potentially served more as a gatekeeper of information than a path forward towards transparency. Luna and others have suggested that meaningful revelations ranging from compelling visual evidence to first hand testimony are being withheld reinforcing the perception the arrow is ineffective at best or intentionally obstructive at worst i'm in camp too me too yeah camp too intentionally yeah i i struggle because it sounds like a lot of these stuff anapolina is doing the meetings classified meeting she had and all the stuff that's being investigated with our task force is being done in conjunction with an agency, she said.

I think we can all deduce who that agency is. She said specifically it is not the CIA. It's the FBI as far as we know. So I made a joke online. I'm like, I don't know what's worse. Like having Arrow investigate UFOs or having cash potential. FBI investigating UFOs. They both seem ineptive. It's all a hot mess, yeah. So I don't know. It will be interesting to see at what level they follow through, whether it's Arrow or whether

it's these websites or whether it's just the Congress people who continue to push and pull. In my mind's eye, I imagine, it's true imagining. There's nothing out there to help me figure out whether this is true or not, that the Black Ops and the USAPs, the unidentified special access programs that we know these things get moved to where they are now out of the reach of Congress, I just can't imagine that they're going to go along with this. But maybe they are. I don't know.

I don't want to throw hope away. You know, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, but they're going to turn, they're going to give a zero point energy, really? you're being yeah it's not happening you're being realistic i mean i have tried my freaking hardest to pound it into people's heads we don't need any type of UFO disclosure from the united states government they have showed us time and time again that is not what they want to do

they do not want to be transparent this bullshit about working for the people is a complete facade. Right. I do believe certain Congress members have good intentions. People like Eric Berlinson and maybe even some of the people on the other side of the political aisle as well. But a lot of the people in charge right now of UFO stuff, and it's not a political thing. I just don't trust them. I barely trust Eric Burlinson.

But I do appreciate and respect. what he's doing like knocking on doors but i do too and you know he i don't think he can control what happens behind him any more than we can control what happens behind you know it is going to happen however the usaps and those uh folks buried deep in long-term black ops are going to decide to handle it good point yeah yeah they're always the puppet masters always always always all right what's our next story. And before we do that, thank you so much to Michelle for the super chat and to Garrett as well. There's your fifth. You were the sixth, Garrett. Unfortunately, Michelle beat you to the punch, but thank you to both of you guys. Thank you guys. We reached our goal for tonight with super chats.

The party doesn't have to end. You can keep donating if you want. Of course, we appreciate it. This is so funny. Donnie Falls. I couldn't agree more. We need the truth. That comment. Love it, love it, love it, love it. Um, okay. We got to move to some darker corners of you follow you for a minute, Suzanne. I'm sorry. This is heartbreaking to me. Yeah.

Well, okay, let's move to this one first. We're going to continue on the story of the missing general Neil William McCaslin because more information connecting missing woman to General William Neal McCaslin as the search continues. A lot of this work is being done by the Sentinel Network, which we will bring up in just a little bit here. But to kind of catch people up again, the search continues for William Neal McCaslin, the retired Air Force General who went missing over two weeks ago now. By his own wife's admission, he has been confirmed to be the general who worked at Wright Patterson and brief Tom DeLong on UFOs. Last week, we covered the possible connections between McCaslin and a rocket scientist who went missing six months prior.

So I'm going to play this clip from News Nation because they go a little bit more in depth about the connections between Monica Reza, the missing rocket scientist and General Neil McAsslin. And then we're going to dig deep. We're going to dive deep with the work being done with the Sentinel Network and possible other connections, Suzanne. But do you mind if I play that clip? Let's go. I'm ready. Okay. Let me find it here. Here we go.

New Mexico and the latest on the urgent hunt for a retired Air Force General who vanished nearly three weeks ago. The FBI is now helping local authorities in the search for William Neal McCasland. Investigators say the 68-year-old former general had some sort of brain fog before he disappeared, but they stressed that he was not cognitively impaired. There's no indication and we are not putting forward that Mr. McCaslin was disoriented, confused. Arguably, he would still be the most intelligent person in the room that any of us would be in, highly intelligent, highly capable, but that information was given to us early on and out of an abundance of caution, we escalated to a silver alert.

Now, before retiring, General McCaslin oversaw a highly classified program linked to UFO research. And many are wondering if that secret of work passed and researching UFOs could have made him a target somehow. Even if you're a UFO skeptic, it's hard not to be curious about another strange aspect of this case. A former colleague of General McCaslin's who also disappeared also under strange circumstances last summer. Is it all a coincidence? Let's go to Alex Capriello live in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Alex, what are you hearing about not one but two disappearances? Yeah, very strange, Elizabeth.

We've been spending the day digging into this missing person's case of Monica Reza. She vanished off the face of the earth about nine months ago, last seen hiking in the Los Angeles forest with a companion. By all accounts, everything seemed normal that day. She was about 30 feet behind that person she was hiking with smiling and waving. He turned around. Next thing you know, she was just completely gone. Rescue teams spent days looking for her, but actually never recovered her body. But what's so interesting about this story, Elizabeth, is that she is essentially connected with General McCaslin right here in New Mexico. She's an aerospace engineer, and she developed a special metal that was used in rockets.

It was a project that the U.S. government funded in something that was overseen by the general. And now all within less than one year, both of them have essentially vanished off the face of the earth. We don't know whether or not these missing persons cases are connected at this point. But I did tip off the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department about it, asked if this was a lead that they were investigating and we're still waiting to hear back. But here's what we do know, that critical timeline for the disappearance of the general. At the end of February, he was last seen chatting with a repairman inside of his house. His wife left for a doctor's appointment at around 11 o'clock in the morning. And then by noon, he was completely gone.

His wife reporting him missing after that. obviously this is an ongoing story with search and rescue efforts still happening here on the mountains. We're going to continue to cover it for you. Wow. Okay. And that's just one connection. One connection.

Yeah, we will get there in just a minute. But what do you think about where we're at right now with McCaskill? It's been over two and a half weeks now, going on three weeks. Still no sign. Still no evidence. No one. has come forward to say they saw him like other than you know the repairman there and they cleared him um and just no signs no signs whatsoever so what what do you think about just general mccaslin

missing it is so concerning this is an experienced hiker who's still relatively young um he has been gone for so long. And then when I couple it with things like the FBI, not initially getting involved, which can seem innocent, but to me, when it's someone like McCaslin, with his background and his education and his, especially in the subject matter, why were they not in right away? And who's running this show? Because what it's been all this time, someone finally goes to his second home in Colorado a little earlier in this week and finds a couple of the things that they have been reporting were missing. They were not missing. Two or three of those things were then located there. So why was FBI not sent immediately to that second home? I just don't

understand. It's weird. And it goes down from there, right? I mean, it's not. It's just a mess. it's a mess you know and again like the story just gets crazier now before we move on i do want to make a disclaimer first and foremost here um we're going to share some information brought forward by a news site called the sentinel network who i've been kind of behind the scenes uh conversing with working with um they've been kind enough to give us some information about what they're releasing before it releases. And they have given us some updates about an article they're going to be publishing this upcoming week. By the time you hear this on the podcast, that article will already be out. But they have come out with several articles since the connections with Monica

Raza have kind of come forward. And I will say this, the Sentinel Network were the first to make those connections. So any news are seeing from News Nation, mainstream media, it all came from the Sentinel Network. They were the first to provide and come up with this information. So special shout out to them first and foremost. But I do want to say that the research and connections made in what we're about to tell you are those of the Sentinel Network and do not necessarily reflect the thoughts or opinions of Suzanne or me here at Summer in the Sky's life. So I just wanted to get that out there.

We're going to let you guys be your own jury. We're just going to put the facts out there as we understand them today. May they change in the future, they may. We'll see what comes out in this next article. But right now, we're just going to give it out there to you, and then you decide for yourself. Okay. Are you okay if I just unload this? Oh, yeah, go for it.

All right. It's a little wordy, but I do want to get it out there because I think it is important. So in an article titled The Green Burial, the Sentinel Network drew on a direct program-level connection between Monica Reza and Major General William Neal McAisland through the Air Force Research Laboratory and a critical U.S. rocket propulsion breakthrough. Reza, a top-tier aerospace engineer, co-invented Mondoloy, a nickel-based super alloy essential for next generation rocket engines, while McCaslin, as commander of AFRL, oversaw, oversaw, the multi-billion-dollar research portfolio that funded and advanced that very technology. Their relationship was not incidental or distant. It formed a tightly integrated chain of custody.

Reza developed and scald the alloy on the contractor side. Her mentor, Dallas Hardwick, led its qualification within AFRL, and General McCasselin ultimately controlled the institutional authority and funding. Dean that enabled the entire program. The article emphasized that these three figures were effectively the full human pipeline behind a strategically vital aerospace technology. And now with Hardwick deceased and both Reza and McCaslin missing under eerily similar circumstances, that chain has been severed.

Okay. Any comments on that before I move to the other connection? No, I think you're setting the stage beautifully for what has happened. Okay. Yeah. So the Sentinel Network did a follow-up article called The Long Count, and they expanded on the Razia McCaslin connection into a broader cluster of named individuals tied to overlapping defense research ecosystems.

Alongside Monica Reza and William Neal McAllen, it identifies Dallas Hardwick. He was the material. scientist at AFRL. And also, they identified Melissa Cassius, Los Alamos employee who vanished shortly after Razor. Hey, why don't we put the visual up? And let's follow visually while you talk them through this. Let's do it. I've got it right here. Is that showing up? Yeah, it is. Okay. Perfect. This is for our people. I think this will help you with this complicated, story and you can see we're in timeline on this chart right here.

Absolutely. And special thanks to you for formulating this for us. I'm a visual person. This is helping me tremendously as well. Okay. So back here, let me see here. Okay. No, no, no, no.

This is very important. Dallas Hardwick, he was the material science. is now deceased. Melissa Cassius, Los Alamos employee who vanished shortly after Reza, Carl Grillamere, who was a Caltech astronomer specializing in infrared detection, who was killed, and Nuno Larario, Larero, excuse me, was an MIT plasma physicist who was murdered, as well as three Wright-Patterson-connected personnel killed in a single incident linked to AFRL's sensors directorate.

The article presents these individuals not as isolated cases, but as part of a traceable network connected through shared institutions, research pipelines, and national security programs. Okay. Yes.

Last paragraph here, Suzanne. What ties these back to Reza and McCaslin is their overlapping roles in three critical domains, propulsion, sensing, and tracking, and nuclear or high-energy research. The article emphasizes a striking pattern of timing and geography, with many events occurring within months of each other across key defense corridors tied to AFRL and McCastlin's leadership history.

While it stops short of claiming causation, the article frames Reza and McCaslin as central nodes in a network of at least nine individuals, suggesting a convergence of expertise in the same areas often speculated to underpin highly classified aerospace and potential UAP-related programs. Yep. Quite dark. Quite dark. And then, you know, on that, Ryan, can you pull that visual up one more time?

Yep. Because there are some other details reported by the. signal that I think our listeners would like to know. Okay, starting with Dallas Hardwick. She died in 2014, but she died of breast cancer, which all seems normal. But here's what's not normal. There's no obituary. She was immediately cremated, and she worked at Wright Patterson.

And then you get to Monica Razor, whom Ryan just told you about. And she holds the patent to this alloy, along with Dallas. Harwick. So they are connected in patent ownership, all of which is under McCaslin. Then you, on Reza again, she was only 30 feet from her hiking buddy, behind her hiking buddy. And he turns and he waves to her and she waves back. And then moments later, she's completely gone. What's odd about this is not just the timing of that, but with the fleer, searching that they were doing, it ended at an unidentified beanie and the path stops. There's nothing past that point.

Then, I know, they did a memorial. They set up the memorial for her while the search was still continuing, which I find so unusual. Yeah. We mentioned last week, too, I think. There was like a find a grave submission put online the day. she went missing. The day she went. That's right. So something's wrong. And then when you get to Melissa Cassius, she vanishes four days later, just gone. She worked at Los Alamos National Lab. I see in the comment. Someone asking Jamie, asking if it's Los Alamos, there's your Los Alamos connection.

And she was last seen walking with a backpack here out here in New Mexico. She's walking east on New Mexico, Highway 518, headed into the Carson National Forest, which is an enormous, enormous national park. Anyway, then you get to the Pritchards and a gal named Jamie Gustis. Richard worked, Jacob Pritchard worked at Wright Patterson, and he was in charge of Air Force finance stuff. He unalived his wife, Jamie Pritchard, on October 25th of 2025. and put her in the trunk and drove to the home of Jamie Gustis. He analyzed Jamie Gestis at her home. She was an Air Force top secret clearance gal,

and she did math equations for aerospace. He then leaves her at her home, but drives to the local police center. He has put his wife in the trunk of his car and opens the trunk for the police to see what he has done and who's in there, and then he analyzes himself on the spot on camera. So then you get to Carl Grilmeier. He is an astronomer.

He was an astronomer at Caltech. He focused on infrared processing and analysis, worked in that big center for those things. He built the first telescope that was used to actually look for things that might hit Earth. He has 147 peer review published papers. His work and Monica's work are at the Jet Propulsion Lab, so they're connected there, and all of that institutionally is connected. It might as well be the same family of dollars and hierarchy. Both worked on planetary defense. He was killed on his porch and he was killed by a gentleman who had been there once before and got arrested.

And on, I think gun charges was what the first arrest was for. He comes back and unalives Mr. Grilmere and they arrested him again. He set for trial sometime this month. But his story made no sense. There's no making sense of what he told them is why this happened. Things were not right directions. They weren't substantively correct. So it's just bizarre. And all of that, as you saw in that graphic, leads you to General McCaslin, who is now missing. General McCaslin has, it's like $450 million worth of work in the pipeline, in these subject matters. So it is just so concerning to me. And, and that, you know, And you can see why I wanted to put it into a visual.

Because when you see that altogether and you can hear these connections, it's concerning. Yeah, absolutely. You know, at first I'm like, maybe the Sentinel Network's reaching on a lot of this stuff and like leave it to the UFO community to reach as far as humanly possible for conspiracy. see, but when you actually sit down and do the work and make the, you know, connect the dots, like maybe some of these have nothing to do with it. It's not conclusion. It's simply connections, right. Exactly.

But we have to ask the questions. You know? So, yeah, it's just, it's scary. It's scary. The fact that this could all somehow connect. to like advanced aerospace stuff, which could be connected to UFOs, it's troubling, to say the least. It's troubling. And historically, we have some reference for these things.

Several years ago, maybe a decade ago, maybe longer, I can't remember. But in Britain, 25 scientists around a particular subject went missing or died. Yeah. Very much like what we're watching in this little bubble through the Sentinels research. But I have to give a shout out to the Sentinel. This could not have been easy. It wasn't even easy recapping their work. So give them a follow, you guys,

because these are some good thinkers and good evidence pullers. So give them a follow. Absolutely. There is a link in the show notes to their substack. Like I mentioned, they will be coming out with a brand new article on Monday, March 23rd, which is tomorrow if you're watching the live stream. It's probably already out by the time you listen to this on the podcast. But they did tease a little about what they got coming down the pipeline.

So do you mind if I just share that really quick? Okay. So this week, the Sentinel Network has two new pieces in this series. Monday's article follows a forensic thread from the Monica Razak case that official investigators appear to have overlooked. A gap in the evidence chain that raises serious questions about what was recovered and what wasn't. What happened to Monica Reza's phone?

Later in the week, a second piece will introduce yet another name, another researcher, another national security facility in the New Mexico corridor, another disappearance that fits the same pattern. So that's going to be coming out very soon over at the most. One more tidbit on Melissa Cassius, who vanished four days after Reza. Her phone was found in her home, two phones, business and personal, both set to factory, reset to factory settings. Shady A.F. Wow. Absolutely shady.

Absolutely. Man. Yep. Sentinel Network will also be coming out with a piece outside of this series. If you've been following the 3-I Atlas story, they'll be, they just audited every major SETI search. that targeted the object. SETI says four independent teams all agreed there is no signal from 3i Atlas. The Sentinel Network found they all ran the same search on the same bad data.

So that piece will be dropping on Tuesday. Both of these pieces will be out by the time you hear this episode on the podcast. So once again, follow the Sentinel on Twitter or X at the Sentinel net or click the link in our show notes to their substack. Stay up to date on all of this stuff. So what a... I'm going to sleep tonight, waiting on that release tomorrow.

I've been up in a week long. You guys, this is what Ryan has to listen to for me. Oh, my gosh. At the time you guys get it, it makes some sense. But if to him, he just has to listen to it free flow

until I get my brain wrapped around what I think of it. Same. Stay. We're always sending each other our psychotic messages of mad men and mad women before they get synthesized here on the live street for you guys. You see the, you see the vetted and filtered versions here. Yes, exactly. All right, should, uh, should we move to our next story? Let's do. Let's do. We got two more stories for you guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Matthew Brown was recently

interviewed on the weaponized podcast. He was the whistleblower who claimed to have uncovered a hidden UAP-related system described what he calls Immaculate Constellation, which was a vast compartmentalized operation embedded within U.S. intelligence structures. According to Brown, the program is not a single technology, but a network of special access programs designed to collect, filter, and sequester high-quality data on UAP from across military and intelligence platforms. Brown alleges that Immaculate Constellation functions as a centralized hub, pulling in sensitive UAP imagery and reports, removing them from standard databases, and redistributing them within tightly controlled channels. So that's kind of the crash course on what he originally brought forward.

But now, in this new interview on Weaponized, Suzanne, there were some pretty big revelations and claims. being made by Matthew Brown on the Weaponized Podcast that has really caused some concern when it comes to whistleblowers. So I've got three clips broken up here. And I thought we would discuss each of these. These are kind of the big things I took away from the interview. If there's any more, please let me know. But yeah, should we start with the first one? Let's go. Okay. Here we go. coordinated online attacks against myself, Owen Borland, David Grush, Lou Elizondo, Jeff McSateli.

I think Alex escaped, but, you know, the point is, is it's systematic and it's ongoing to this day. We have identified the main players and found that they are active duty service members or reserve service members with active clearances, doing this on their work time from work computers. That's right. And that this network of shit talkers is directly traced back to legacy program security. And that legacy program security is actively running disinformation operations and psychological operations against UAP whistleblowers, their friends and their family. Worse than that, they are taking human intelligence methods and applying them to us in order to disrupt our lives and basically to drive us to either commit suicide. or become so ostracized from our friends and family that we are no longer a threat. Specifically, they are sending office of special investigations agents to people's families

to break apart their families, to break apart marriages, to this day, to pull children away from their parents. And these are not the parents, these are not parents who are whistleblowers. They are people who have helped us. Okay. Wow. Big claim right there. Big claim. a coordinated effort, a intelligence sci-up of some sort, being done from within the military on these whistleblowers. And can you imagine, you know, these guys know better than we know what the McCastlin ring of people looks like, what the ring regarding those 25 British scientists and military people look like. Imagine the terror involved in this.

Yeah, absolutely. There was another part in the interview. I don't have the clip here, but Brown recounted being invited to an intelligence facility under the premise of joining a UAP whistleblower protection program only to find no such protections were offered. Instead, he describes a probing, informal interrogation that left him wary of the process. Following the meeting, Brown claims false narratives about him were circulated, including accusations meant to discredit his character and testimony. Yes. Yes, almost a trap. Right. Now, bring him in, find out what he knows, and then not deliver on anything, not anything good, right?

It's like a gathering into, I swear. And I do think it's worthy, I do think we ought to consider that OD and I, which is who was, I think, organizing this come in and meet us and we have a protection program, we can help you. I think we need to watch carefully at what gets shared there by whistleblowers. And I think the other whistleblowers need to be listening very carefully, Mr. Brown, on this topic. I believe so. I mean, I think it was even Jeffrey Nutecelli.

I always get his name wrong. New Sintelie. Newtellie. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Softsey. Yeah.

He was recently on a podcast with Stephen Deener. And they discussed this very thing. And Jeffrey, he's had his home broken into. Oh, my gosh. And he was with another, quote, quote, UAP whistleblower out in public and also was harassed and messed with in terms of all of this, too. And wasn't Murphy Brown's wife? Wasn't his home broken into and his wife's, all of her ID, which I assume was like military, ID, driver's license, passport kind of stuff.

I don't know what it was. I think it was all left out on a counter for them. Was that him or Grush? I think it was Matthew Brown. Matthew Brown? That is really... Someone in chat may remember for sure. That is freaky.

Well, also in this interview, he does name names. Now, those names were redacted in the episode, as you will see in this clip. However, some very, very smart people. I've been doing some digging. Doesn't surprise me at all. Not at all. Welcome to Euphology. Welcome to UFO Twitter, I should say.

Don't make us make a chart because we will. We will make a chart. I'll make these shitty AI images you see on your screen. Let's move to the second clip where he goes a little bit more in depth about this, quote-unquote, UAPE legacy security. and then we're going to move to who these individuals might be at the tippy top, you know, leading these very troubling efforts. So here is clip number two with Matthew Brown from the weaponized podcast. Found one of the key players in the legacy security architecture lately or currently at Northrop Rahman. and his name is

We are done taking punches and not punching back. Name redacted Is responsible. Okay, so has been responsible for a lot of what you're talking about current day. Current day as it relates to the UAP problem.

He is a nexus point for legacy security. He's part of the dirty tricks department. People bring names that need to be handled to this individual. This person looks at those names, matches it to the KPAC abilities to go achieve XYZ objectives, and then the result is an ecosystem flooded with disinformation and psychological operations and targeted attacks against whistleblowers and their allies.

How better you know it? So I cannot reveal everything about this because I am communicating it for others. And where, what is his current role in government, if any? No role in government, but in the military industrial complex, he is most recently at Northrop And the little title he has here that people might find interesting is Deputy Sapko for DARPA. We have been infiltrated and subverted from the inside by treasonous people who do not serve the interests of the United States government. They do not respect the constitutional rule of law. And they do not respect human life.

They only respect power and gain. I told I told them that I stand by today traders are in our midst they are in the highest echelons of our intelligence community our military

they are working right now against the interests of this country and its citizens name redacted counts as one of them so one thing I have to add is that while I can't confirm

or share you know the means by which we identified name redacted and verified his information I can share that I personally went and vetted that information with people who would know his position and also people who wouldn't know. And the people who wouldn't know confirm that I have no idea who that is. So that's very good for me to know that they're not going to pretend that they know someone

just to be of value to me. And then the people who should have known did admit that they knew who it was confirming to me that they are still trustworthy to me. So I'm very certain. It is a nexus point for the Dirty Tricks Department of Legacy, most recently in Northup Cremond. And that he is personally responsible for leading the activities against UAP whistleblowers. No one goes to Hank's for his spreadsheets. They go for a darn good pizza. Lately, though, the shop's been quiet. So Hank decides to bring back the $1 slice.

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not going along with the president's desire to release this stuff. All of this is going to be connected and how they function and what we get in this release. that has been promised. It is a civil war within the Intel community. Yeah. Now, name redacted. It came up a lot in these interviews. However, our good friend and colleague UAP Gerb over on Twitter,

if you guys aren't subscribed, he has a YouTube channel as well. Be sure to subscribe to UAP Gerb right here on YouTube. He did the heavy work. and he's done the heavy work on the legacy program. He's come out with some super detailed videos all about it, kind of, you know, finding out who these people are, who these companies are that might have been a part of the legacy program in the past, the present, and right now,

which is the present, sorry, and the future. And these were two people that he wants people to keep an eye on. Now, Northrop Grumman was mentioned twice by Matthew Brown, and people, you know, pretty high up there. These are about as high as it gets. Now, the first individual on your left, if you're watching this, is Terry Phillips. He's the current vice president for security at Northrop Grumman. Phillips formerly served as USAF SAP Security Director and AFOSI Office of Special Projects, Executive Director. Phillips, several directors of security and several directors of special programs under him are integral to the legacy security apparatus.

So there's the first person, Susan. And then on the right, you have Michael Dempsey. He's the vice president of government affairs and strategy and development for space, cyber and intelligence prior to Northrop Grumman. Dempsey served briefly as acting director of national intelligence in 2000. 17 following a tenure as deputy director of national intelligence for intelligence integration in the Obama administration. It's UAPGERB's understanding that Dempsey allegedly engaged in overseeing UFO crash retrieval and exploitation efforts housed under the National Security Council,

alongside James Clapper and his principal deputy director of national intelligence, Stephanie O. Sullivan. This guy's got connections. He worked with the CIA, military affairs, joint chiefs of staff. I mean, Michael Dempsey has done it all and probably seen it all.

So again, some people might scoff at us putting these faces and names up here, like outing people. But end of the day, these people's information, is publicly available online. UAP GERB made the connections.

And these are people who he thinks we should pay attention to when Matthew Brown is bringing up legacy programs and Northrop Grumman. So there you go. I'm just putting it out there to the world. Do your thing, UFO Twitter. A little sunshine can be a really good thing. Yep, yep. Darren, our good buddy, says UAPGERB is a human chat,

GBT on UFOs. He is insane in terms of his knowledge of acronyms. My God. My God. The acronyms. I can't even. My brain just glosses over when he starts in on those like, oh my gosh. He knows. I know. Crazy. The last thing I kind of want to bring up, then we'll play one more clip for Matthew Brown, a more hopeful clip because I think it's pretty cool. But Andy McGreling over at that UFO podcast. He recently had James Fox on the show. And he asked him, like, what do you think about this Matthew Brown stuff? And, you know, that they're saying that these whistleblowers are like being driven to like, they're being discredited. They're being harassed.

Some of them are being driven to like unaliving themselves or things of that nature. And James Fox shared something deeply troubling about a whistleblower that was a going to come forward, a UAP whistleblower. And it was very troubling what James Fox had to say. Go watch the full interview with James Fox over at that UFO podcast. But I reached out to James Fox to send us a message about what he brought up and why it's so, you know, important to bring this up right now. So I'm going to play this message that James Fox sent me exclusively for you guys here at Somewhere in the Skies Live. So here we go.

Fox and Ryan at Somewhere in the Skies asked me to record a short message regarding the apparent suicide of a gentleman who was going to come forward. He was a potential whistleblower that was connected to Dave Grush. he was not going to come talk to me, but I found out about it the morning I met with Kirk McConnell, not far from where I'm shooting this video now, he was going to, and did continue to participate in the program

and talk about the crash retrieval and meeting with firsthand witnesses alleged in a skiff. And that morning, when he flew up from D.C. to meet with me in Vermont, that's when we found out about this evident suicide of a 35-year-old married man with children that was about to come forward and very strange, suspicious circumstances. And that's what I know about that. Anyway, take care of you guys.

Peace. Oh, James. Love that smile. He's such a character. He is. Yeah, I mean, smile right there on James Fox, but this is definitely not a story to smile about. That is troubling that a U.N.P. whistleblower was about to come forward and unfortunately, and did his own life.

Now, is it connected to him coming forward? We don't know. We will never know. We will never know. Again, it brings me back to these connections that Sentinel Network is making with all the missing people, unalived people. It's just this, it all keeps coming back to whistleblowers. And people working on possible aerospace UAP program. a legacy program.

Like, I can't make sense of it all. And it's so freaking dark and like troubling. And this is not why I got into UFOs, Suzanne. I know. And what it happens in a week, like this week and last week together, it's a lot. At one point, day before yesterday, it's like, I've got to put this down. I mean, you know, fighting anxiety around it. And it's just a really dark.

time and here's what my worry is. My worry is it only feels like it's a dark time right now. I suspect it's been dark all along. In the shadows, it's always starting. Yeah. Good point. Very good point. Well, Matthew Brown is taking a proactive approach to all of this information that he is apparently uncovered. And he is working with fellow colleague and fellow whistleblower, Dylan Borland, who was our favorite from that congressional hearing somewhat recently. So let me go ahead and play the last clip here from Matthew Brown about what he and Dylan Borland are planning on doing when it comes to these UAP whistleblowers and the harassment that they're facing.

Great. On our experience, Dylan Borland and I have started a nonprofit. to do disclosure by the people for the people. It is using UAP whistleblowers from a national security enterprise to pursue disclosure through the justice system. We are creating an organization specifically to wage lawfare, to light our system law fair,

to light our system on fire with court cases related to disclosure to make a huge fucking problem. In addition to that, we will be looking after whistleblowers. I have experienced outside of, you know, personal support from friends and family, absolutely no assistance on the outside. There is no organized help for UAP whistleblowers, whether that be from Congress or from private initiatives. We are, quite frankly, being picked off to be either,

exploited for financial or technical gain or to be removed from being agents of influence for the cause of disclosure. So are you doing this for personal gain not because that's what everybody on the interwebs going to say? Are you doing this for personal gain? Tell me. No. Why?

Because this is our home and if we do not defend it, who will? We live here. Exactly. Planet Earth or America? America. I'm not sure Earth is our home anymore. Interesting last comment there. Interesting.

Now, I do beg to differ in terms of organizations that are around to help whistleblowers. You work for a very pretty prominent one behind the scenes. However, I'm for everything. I mean, what do you think? As someone who works in the UAP whistleblower protection space, what do you think of what he's bringing forward here in terms of that? I think that I hope that they are really successful, but I am concerned that they have not yet figured out the enormous expense that they're talking about when they start talking about lawfare. What is that? Lawfare is using the legal system to fight a war.

And so it's going to take a fleet of lawyers. It's going to take hundreds of thousands of dollars a case. And so the goal is quite lofty, quite lofty. And I want them to succeed. And I will help them with whatever they need in terms of, you know, if they need contributions or whatever. But I want to know who, lawyers are helping because otherwise it could just be an enormous, enormous financial burden and

perhaps not a great outcome depending on the presence or absence of good trial lawyers to help. Familiar with this very unique area of law, you know, this was not my initial area of law. So every day is a learning curve for me. so I can only imagine who's going to help pick these cases up. But I hope they do it. Maybe they have a plan. Maybe they've got big benefactors. That's what I'm hoping for them.

And if they don't, maybe they will now, now that they've gotten their message out. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, getting the message out is very important. But hey, like, Matthew Brown, if you happen to be watching or listening to this, I did tag you in the live stream thing on Twitter. like please reach out to us. Reach out to Suzanne.

Her Twitter is in the show notes. It's right here on your screen as well. I'm sure she'd be happy to discuss this with you and other attorneys as well. But yeah, I'm here. I'm here. I think it is absolutely atrocious what military people are doing to their own. And this isn't the first time we've heard it. Won't be the last.

That's what I was going to say. And I think it's gone on for a long time. And it is going to take something like lawfare to get that system stopped. So the goal is appropriate, but the goal is huge. Yeah. It is a Hail Mary. It is a Hail Mary goal. I knew we could do it.

And I wanted to succeed at that. I want to succeed. Absolutely. Everyone go check out the latest episode of the Weaponized podcast with George Knapp. Jeremy Corbell with Matthew Brown. Wonderful interview. It was one of those ones like we mentioned earlier. I went in to just listen for like, what can I cover on the live stream this week?

And I listened to the whole thing and I got lost somewhere here in Scotland. That's the way to do it. It is. Take it all in and get your exercise. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Final story up in night. We're going over two hours here.

So I want to get you out of here so you can take care of your ailing husband. back there. Again, another unfortunate story that we're going to cover right now. Such dark week this week. I know. Next week I'm hoping will be much lighter.

Puppies and rainbows, please. UFO fear. Puppies and rainbows only. So, the headline here, deathbed confession claims that the Travis Walton incident was a hoax.

So a recent post by the daughter of Mike Rogers, one of the witnesses and one of the best friends to Travis Walton. He apparently made a deathbed confession about UFO hoaxes. And I want to bring up that post here. It is a little long, but I do want to cover it all because it's interesting. And it's going to help us paint some context for where this story is. is heading. So this message comes from Michelle Dietrich. On Friday, February 6th, this is her talking.

My father died. We held this funeral this past Saturday, February 28th, 2026 in Snowflake, Arizona. His name was Michael Howard Rogers. He was best known for his role as the crew captain in the movie Fire in the Sky. And of course, for his role in that UFO story. He went into the hospital in December

and wasn't able to attend our family Christmas party. On January 12th, he was released to hospice home care as he wished to die at home surrounded by his family rather than in a medical facility. He called and asked me to hurry over, saying that he wished to speak to me about a matter of great importance. He said that I needed to get to him before they began the morphine and other drugs. I immediately asked my manager if I could leave work and have the next day off, briefly explaining the situation, and I hurried home. then I remembered that I had a very important appointment at 3 p.m. to get some stitches out. I spent the hour gathering my things, including some good pens and a notebook, also a voice recorder.

From where I live, it's a three-hour drive up to the White Mountains of Arizona, where I came from, and where my father lived, all his life. This is a very long story, but I will condense it down here for you. My Cora friends, Quora, I believe is where she posted this, intending to tell the entire story sometime later and on other platforms. and possibly by some other means in the near future. My father wished to confess to several hoaxes that he carried out beginning of November 1975. Yes, that UFO incident. One of the best known UFO stories in the world was a hoax.

One of his last hoaxes included what is known as the Phoenix Lights of 1997, which she explained to me in great detail, including how he with what he created the UFO on a large ranch north of Prescott, Arizona, the land belonging to a friend named Beaufort Bell, who has long since passed. Mr. Bell had no knowledge of what my father was using his land for, as he was supposed to be taking care of the ranch while Mr. Bell was out of the country, vacationing for over a month. To say the least, I was stunned, of course.

In any case, the point of this post is to confess on behalf of my, my father for all of his hoaxes that he carried out over the world from November 1975 to at least March of 1997. This includes several crop circles in England, beginning with an intricate snowflake design in 1994. When I asked him why he did not confess any of this himself, he said it was not, it was because he is terrified of going to jail or prison, most specifically for the Phoenix likes Phoenix lights hoax because the military got involved to investigate what was definitely seen as a potential threat to millions of people. He said that he did not intend to fly his UFO over the enormous city of Phoenix that its intended path was over small towns where it would

definitely be noticed by some people out in the country. He wanted me to confess and apologize to the world for his hoaxes and then for all of his lies right up until the very end of his life. that telling the truth finally could make things better somehow. I don't know if that's possible, but I promised I would try. Michelle Dietrich, owner of Snark Space on Quora, and daughter of Michael Howard Rogers. Okay. A lot to break down. Some I can go with, some I can't go with.

Yeah. So we'll get to the other hoaxes because. I don't even know where to begin with that. But let's stick with just the Travis Walton incident being a hoax right now. This is such crox. What's said I call BS? Okay. I could see you guys are getting going in the chat.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's continue because this is not the first time, mind you, that Mike Rogers has said that they hoaxed this incident. I do want to bring up something that Patrick over at Vetted brought up. He did a really good breakdown of this entire soap opera over on his channel. So I do suggest people go over to Vetted, watch his interview about Travis Walton. But he played a clip from a phone call that was leaked that was between Mike Rogers and a filmmaker named Ryan Gordon. and apparently Mike Rogers was not privy to this having been recorded or eventually released to the public.

But let's play the recorded phone call between this Ryan Gordon and Mike Rogers. Sounds good. Okay. Let me find that here. Okay, here it goes. Okay. Yeah. That's, he jumped out, okay?

Yeah. Well, basically, so what you're saying is, what you're saying is, is you and Travis together hoaxed this. Yeah. I mean, that Travis's brother Blaine helped him. I believe that. I know a class actually suspected that nothing. I don't care at all for his life.

I know who he's had. I know. That was really bizarre. And I thought all along that he was just trying to, how would you say it, make himself believe that his brother was over? Okay. So here's where things get weird. First of all, let's go to Steve Pierce. He was another witness that night. And this event dramatically affected Steve Pierce. I have spoken to Steve Pierce in the past. This guy was like, this event ruined his life. It didn't better his life. It ruined his life. He ruined his life. he was so affected by it, he would go back to the site where it happened, hoping and wishing for the craft to come back. That's how much he believed in this case and what had happened to Travis that day and how traumatic it all was.

He responded to this quote-a-quote deathbed confession by Mike Rogers. So I'm going to go ahead and bring that up here, and I'll read it as quick as possible here. there are many things that a person, this is from Steve Pierce, there are many things that a person can keep secret, many dark truths that they never talk about or won't ever admit. And inevitably, they end up asking, sorry, I'm going to bring it up closer here. And inevitably, they end up taking these hidden truths to the grave.

Some things were meant to stay covered, and some things need to be shared, no matter how ugly they may seem. If it's meant to be known, the truth always has a way of coming out. The passing of Mike Rogers has finally a truth behind fire in the sky and what really happened to Travis. Upon his deathbed, his last words revealed the ugly truth that has been the subject of much speculation for so many years. He revealed that the abduction was indeed a staged hoax. The whole setup was orchestrated in the disturbed minds of Mike and Travis.

This horrible plot to gain popularity has ruined the lives of so many that were involved. I, for one, have dealt with the backlash over this for many years. It has destroyed my life and the lives of those who are close to me. Since I was 17, I have lived with the horror of what I witnessed that night in the woods. It has haunted me in every aspect of my life. I have lived with a tumultuous chaos every day. My whole life has revolved around fire in the sky. and to finally have validation that it was all a hoax has sent me on the road to utmost devastation.

How dare Mike and Travis live with this secret for all these years, knowing what it has done to the lives of those involved, not to mention the public. This lie is of epic proportions. How dare Travis gain popularity and monetary gain at the expense of myself and a few others? He is nothing but a liar, a fake, a phony, a thief, and a bomb. abominable human being. Perhaps Mike has to confess so that he could finally have peace. But I ask you, what about my peace?

My peace was stolen from me and I've not known anything else in my life. I have lost everything I've ever had because I couldn't move past the trauma that this caused me. John died believing this was all true. That was one of the other people involved. He too lived with the trauma,

never knowing what was real. I hope now he rests in peace. As for Mike, you have a lot to answer for. As for Travis, your day of reckoning is coming. And this is something I will take to the grave. Man. Brokenhearted. Brokenhearted. And when you spend an entire life, these were young men at the time trying to make peace. Those of us who have had experiences, you know, my first one was when I was seven or eight, I spent almost 60 years looking for an answer. So it's not something to take lightly when something like this happens. You invest a ton of energy, a ton of time, a ton of emotion, a ton of worry on so many levels. And so I do absolutely see and feel his disappointment and

hurt. However, the whole confession is problematic to me. I don't for a moment think that this gentleman hoax the Phoenix lights. And if he did, where's that craft? You know, I, none and crop circles, whatever. I don't know. So the other thing that, you know what I keep thinking of, Ryan, I think you and I talked about this once, the aerial school incident. All of those school children had the same experience, told the same story, despite being pulled to separate places, interviewed carefully and responsibly. And then there was one young man upon reaching adulthood who said, oh, it was all a hoax. Yeah, it was like a puppet show or something.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so this is clicking with this. that for me. And I'm not sure what that is. Is that a way that they make peace and give up the ghost on whatever it is that happened? It's just too painful, just too big, just too weird. I don't know. And maybe he's telling the truth about hoaxing the Travis incident. But if you're going to do that at the same time, you're telling me about Crop Circles and Phoenix Lights, you lose me. You lose me. Yeah. I mean, I was willing

to look objectively at the Travis Walton thing being a hoax. I think everyone should. I mean, there's been so much issue and problems with the case 30 years. Failed lie detector tests. The witnesses turning on one another at different points. And that's the core issue right there, the witnesses. Well, and the flip is a problem as well, because all but one of those lie detectors, were passed. I think the one you're talking about was inconclusive. Wasn't yay or nay, it was

inconclusive. And then I started digging when this happened because I was thinking, I think that they had their helmets tested for radiation. There was an element of the story by one of the witnesses who said that three men in red like cover all suits had Geiger counters, handheld Geiger counters on sticks. And they were scanning the ground where Travis said that this happened. And they told, and one of these witnesses asked about it. And they told this guy, true or false, who knows, that nothing was radioactive. And so he says, scan me. Are we radioactive? Because we were all there. And so they scan the guy. You're not radioactive. And he says, oh, wait, wait. These aren't clothes I had on, but these are the helmets we had on. Scan the helmets and we're the helmets

registered radioactive. So I don't know how to put it all together. I don't know. Yeah. So two more things. Within like days of this phone call leaking, Mike Rogers would flip and say, no, no, that's not true. Let me play the clip. It came from my good buddy. He had Mike Rogers on his show coffee and UFOs. And he had this to stay after that late phone call. Let me find it here. Okay, watch this. Okay. You know, I after he said that he said, okay. I had no idea he was, whatever you've heard, whatever is there supposedly that I said. I can tell you that all I can tell you is I did talk to guy, but I didn't say those things on what I said to him.

Obviously, because I didn't record it, you know, but he obviously did and he manipulated it. Which is it? Like, what you? Like, I don't, this is hard because I don't want to talk ill of someone who's passed away, cannot defend themselves. Um, like, but, but like, oh, God. But, you know, we talked about deathbed confessions, and this is going to fall somewhat in that category, close to it. But not all of them are correct. Right. Some of them are impeachable.

You can attack it. A deathbed confession doesn't just come into evidence because you set it on your deathbed. There are rules about how to apply it, and there are ways to attack it. And I'm quite confident I can attack this and get that set aside. So, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I'd let that. And I have questions around this gentleman's life-ending competency. Are we watching someone who had issues that might have gotten in his way if he thinks he's doing crop circles and the Phoenix lights?

I don't know. But, you know, no way for us to know right now. We also don't know if this daughter's statement is accurate or verifiable. You know, she said she had no pad, she had a recorder. If we have audio proof that he said this at end of life, like, that's a conversation for another day. But right now we're just depending on this one post that she made about her father's deathbed confession. You know who did fight against this hoax thing was filmmaker Jennifer Stein and also Travis Walton. And we interviewed them

on somewhere in the skies. And they did talk about this. Now, it wasn't in the phone call clip that we showed, but there was, you know, they said that Mike and Travis, they used like one of those towers, fire towers. And that was the UFO.

They like made it up to look like a UFO. They shined a light. That's where Travis was hanging out in the fire tower until they left and all this stuff. Jennifer and Travis talked about this in the interview that we did with them. So I thought maybe we'd revisit that as our last clip of the night. Yeah. Because there are two sides to every story. And I think it's very important. We had Travis on to talk about 50 years of, you know, his incident, the anniversary. And they do bring this up. So I think we should

watch that to kind of close things out here. Okay. Here is our interview with Jennifer Stein and Travis Walton and this just in, I got a text from Jennifer Stein commenting on his deathbed confession in all this. So I will read that after we watch this clip of you and I

intervening Travis Walton and Jennifer Stein. Here we go. The things they were coming up with on the Erica Luke show and it was all the same stuff that Philip Class had done and I

saying to my friends who would call me like, have you watched this? Do you know what they're actually coming up with these ideas are coming up with? I said, yeah, it's all the same stuff that Robert did. I mean, well, I'm sorry, Philip Kless did. Well, lo and behold, who shows up on this podcast around the fourth episode, kind of as a friend of the show, was Robert Schaefer. As a very old man now and I'm very happy to be there agreeing with all of their accusations that these loggers really just saw a fire tower. They didn't see a UFO. They saw a fire tower lit up at night.

And that really, Travis, hid out in the fire tower instead of being, you know, going missing. Of course, they don't deal with the fact that all the loggers saw the craft fly away. You know, if the craft was a fire tower, how did the fire tower fly away? Right? I mean, like, there are these ridiculous questions. And also, fire towers aren't valid. you're at the top of the mountains, right? They're for a lookout.

So you can see from the top of one point to the top of another point. They weren't working at the top of the mountain. They were working in a valley, the Turkey Springs Valley. And the nearest fire tower is five miles away. So in rolling hills, you cannot see a fire tower from that valley. In fact, I proved that by putting my video footage up because we flew drones right around that area

and did a 360-degree view. Long before Ryan Gordon or Erica Lutz were debunking this, you know. So we had footage from the, from the forest site, you know, that we did in 2012, 2013, 2014. And in fact, we anticipated, continued debunking on this case because it's been non-stop, even since 1975. So Ben Hansen, who used to do the television show, Fact or Fiction, came to the site and did a site review with Travis and and another wonderful man named Gary Hilton. And we went out there in 2014 and just documented the whole forest, what it looked like then.

And I'm really glad we did because after Ryan Gordon's programs, Travis and I did go back to the forest just last December with a local podcaster named Patrick James here from the Phoenix area, who's going to be doing an episodic special on Travis. And guess what we discovered? those standing stumps in the trees that we knew showed rapid tree growth had been set on fire and hatcheted up with some kind of hatchet or axe or something, trying to destroy the leftover tree evidence of the rapid tree growth. So, you know, people will go to any extent to try to destroy the evidence. And I just sit back and watch them and think, okay, you know,

I think they got a lot of views on their podcast, thousands and things. thousands of views, you know. What happened to the researchers who found unusual magnetic readings that faded quickly after that? Or high ozone readings or what about the tracking dogs, which tracked my foot from where I got out of the truck up to where my body fell and that was it. That was it. End of story on the tracking dogs.

Right. Right. The guy that took the radiation readings on the men's hard hats during the search. What about them? Right. There's all kinds of things that. I mean, some of the explanations that they used to try to explain it away, like it was really ball lightning.

It was just a ball of lightning. And when I got too close, the ball of lightning hit me. And then I wandered off in a day's and was lost for five days. You know, there are them theories. You would not believe how many, they had very, that it was all a psychedelic drug experience, you know. Cutting trees with chainsaws is very dangerous work. That's a good way to get killed to be impaired in any way. Good point there, Travis.

Yeah. So, yep. They've had a lifetime of this. They've had a lifetime of this. I hate it for everybody. Yeah. I mean, people are bringing up in the chat. I think Mike was jealous.

I think, like, there was a lot of infighting going on between. And this has happened with other multi-witness abduction cases. I believe it was the Aligash abduction where, like, the witnesses to that started changing their stories. And, like, oh, like, this happens with time, with, you know, when there is some sort of monetary thing attached. and people are, you know, like there was money attached to this case. We can't not just like shy away from that. They did make some money off of this early on with a National Enquirer for something like that. However, like I, one thing does not negate the other, I guess is a way to put it.

But end of the day, like I feel bad for everyone. I feel mostly bad for Steve Pierce, who now thinks this was all a hoax. and is devastated by that. Also having been devastated his whole life by the event itself. Like now, where is he going to stand? What if it is all true? Like, I don't know.

We need to hear from Travis, obviously. I think needs to comment on this. But we did hear from Jennifer Stein. She just sent me a text. Should I read that? Yes. Okay. Let me grab it here.

So, guys, this is Jennifer. Stein, the woman you just saw on your screen, she has a wonderful documentary called Travis the true story of Travis Walton. If you haven't watched it, you should watch it to look at all the evidence of the case. But she sent me this. Where did it go? Okay. So in response to this deathbed confession and everything going on, Jennifer just sent me this. I think it's incredibly disrespectful to mess with Mike's final statements. I do not believe he made any kind of deathbed confession because filmmaker Patrick James was there three days before and got a completely different story directly from Mike. Patrick James is an Arizona filmmaker that will be coming out with a documentary

about the Walton case soon. If this was some sort of true final statement, why didn't his daughter post the audio of it. Why did she just post a text about it? And then why did she take it down? Which is true. She has since deleted that post. Let me see here. A lot of stuff doesn't add up to me. I don't

think it's a legitimate post. I suspect it's Charlie Weiser trying one last time to get the world to believe the Walton case is a hoax. I don't know who that person is talking about, but it probably has something to do with Ryan Gordon and the skeptics with all of this. I think this behavior is sad and disrespectful.

I had some very nice texts with Mike Rogers in the last few weeks. He was alive, last few weeks he was alive that were respectful and kind. And he made no mention of any of this. And that's just odd. That's just odd. If you were going to come clean, I think I would be telling those who were in it with me. I'm not going to my grave like this. I'm going to make this right. And if all these opportunities to do exactly that and that path does not get taken, I find that odd.

It's odd. All of this is odd. I, man, I think Patrick over a vetted put it best. He kind of ended his video as he navigated this maze as we did tonight. He said, where are we now? exactly where we were always that circle the circle of that's it

and it moves us it does it does oh my god well there you go guys two hoaxes in one episode didn't think we'd be doing that but I'm not ready to give up on Travis Walton in the slightest yeah we need more evidence

that this was a hoax and we need more evidence that this was real. That's all it comes down to at the end of the day. Oh my God. We need to get out of here. We're going on two and a half hours. How dare I?

I always do this. But before we go, Suzanne, let me bring up our episode dropping in just a couple hours here over on the main feed of the Summer in the Sky's podcast. I'll be speaking to Anders Ottson, the host of the uncanny Expeditions YouTube channel. We talk all about his exploration of classified sites, black projects, and UFOs.

We have a ton of footage in the interview that he was gracious enough to let me share. So we will be doing that as well in the episode. And oh, the poll, the poll. I got to go to the poll. Yep. Welcome back to the poll. I forgot about that. What did I ask?

Oh, how apropos. I asked, do you guys believe the Travis Walton case? out of 92 votes, the actual question was, was the Travis Walton case a hoax? 15% of you said yes, 52% of you said no, 32% of you said, I don't know, and 1% said, I don't care. We all have our favorite UFO stories. This just might not be 1%'s favorite.

Exactly, exactly. But I do think you guys will find. this episode of the somewhere in the skies podcast your favorite tonight so please check it out check it out um anderson is such a nice guy um looking really cool yes he's uncovered some incredible stuff out there in the deserts of the united states at these classified sites and what's the last thing oh yeah one more special thanks to our new patron subscribers sonia l craig h loretta am blazie zabal or hey r and lone wolf gunman you can learn more about our patreon at patreon dot com slash Summer Skies, you get benefits and rewards for joining and you will be helping the show tremendously.

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Anything before I let you go? Not a lot. Headed back to Memphis this upcoming week, so I'll be relocating relocating myself there for a little bit, and then we'll be right back on the Spotify. Awesome.

I mean you get a break from all my messages. No messages. We are going next. next week. You're working on your UFO crash, which is incredible. I cannot wait to hear more about that in the future. Did you guys know another UFO crash happened the same time as Sikoro? Susanne's on the case. I'm on it. Boom. Love it. All right, guys, that's going to do it. Thank you so much again to our super chatter, super stickers tonight. We reached our goal. Really do appreciate that. Thank you to all our regulars, all of our new people as well. And we will see

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