Somewhere in the Skies - Expedition Bigfoot and the UFO Connection with Bryce Johnson

Episode Date: June 26, 2022

On episode 271 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we welcome Bryce Johnson back to discuss the current season of his hit Discovery+ show, Expedition Bigfoot. An elite team of Sasquatch specialists journey into unforgiving wilderness in search of Bigfoot. The expedition, based on science and expertise, may finally pull the elusive beast out of the pages of legend and lore and into reality. We'll discuss all the incredible evidence and discoveries the team made during their third season, and the startling reality of a possible connection between Bigfoot sightings and UFOs. We get the inside scoop on where the expedition has gone and where it might be heading in their future search for the elusive creature. Bryce shares all the evidence collected and then answers your listener questions Watch Expedition Bigfoot: https://bit.ly/3tQJ6Zo  Follow Bryce on Twitter at: @BryceOJohnson  Help the people of Ukraine: https://bit.ly/37ELIRS Ryan is now on Cameo! Book your video today at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan’s book in paperback, ebook, or audiobook: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Read Ryan’s Articles by CLICKING HERE Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at: https://bit.ly/3rJpbd7 Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2022 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague. Hey guys, Ryan Sprague here from Somewhere in the Skies. And welcome to a special live episode of the show tonight. If those of you who are not aware of Expedition Bigfoot, what are you doing? go over to Discovery Plus right now and check it out. They just had their season finale last night. And the chatter online was it blew a lot of people away. And you guys know me.

I'm all about everything. UFOs, Bigfoot's, Lock Nest Monster. I'm moving to Scotland just so I can hunt Nessie. So I thought what better than to bring on the guy who's been out on these expeditions with Expedition Bigfoot for the past three seasons of the show. Will there be a fourth? We will talk about that. So I guess without further ado, let's bring them in to talk all about season three of Expedition Bigfoot, the finale and all the amazing discoveries they made this season. So, welcome back to the show. Mr. Bryce Johnson. What's up, man? Hey, Ryan, how's it going? Good. Very good.

It's great to be here. I'm a big fan of somewhere in the skies. So hello to all your listeners. And thanks for having me back on, man. My pleasure. My pleasure. Yeah, I think we had you, Ronyon to talk about season one when the first when the show first premiered. So it's been a little while and, oh man, you guys have had a lot of incredible stuff happened. Yeah, I would say season three or last year was probably the most active we've experienced ever since the show began. I know at least personally, and I know the other teammates would feel this way.

This was by far and above the most active expedition so far. It has been. And, you know, we're going to go over, I think, tonight, some of the, um, the evidence that you guys collected. Because you know, like a lot of these, these shows out there, these investigative shows, there's just a lot of very, you know, what was that? Back from commercial, nothing. And, um, it's just, I think people are kind of tired of it. They're sick of it, you know, being dragged along season after season. But the one thing that Expedition Bigfoot has done, you've pulled out all the stops. And I think three seasons. in. You've gone further than most shows would ever, ever try to do with this sort of stuff. You know, when it comes to like technology that you're using to try to uncover Bigfoot and the scientists you speak to, the government people, I guess kind of to start. Could you tell us a little about the team? For those of the people in the audience who don't know about Expedition Bigfoot, let's give them kind of the crash course on who's on your expedition team, how this all came about.

and yeah, give us the origin story if you don't like. Yeah, no, absolutely. Well, the whole, I mean, the whole premise was from the get-go is, you know, we're at a time and place where we have some of the most cutting-edge technology and it's improving and every day. So, you know, we just wanted to bring some of that technology to bear on what I call the Bigfoot phenomenon and see if we could sort of crack this egg a little bit or at least move the ball forward. So it was always about using the most cutting edge latest technology equipped with an algorithm where we could dump in all kinds of material like, you know, everything from moon phases to Dayton times of sightings, reporting, what type of recordings? Did something? Did they see something? Did they hear something? You know, so all that fed in, which would spit out a hot spot where we could go and bring a team of researchers and actual scientists with sort of. of a boots on the ground mentality, keeping one foot always grounded in science. And yeah, so, you know, Bigfoot evidence in the past, as you spoke on a little bit, has always come with a

little bit of controversy. And so, you know, we just want to make sure that we dot our T's, I mean, dot our eyes, cross our T's and, you know, do a great job using accredited labs and getting that evidence analyzed. And, man, I got to tell you, you know, in the three years we've doing this. Some of the experts I've been able to speak to has just, it's been an incredible experience. And it's really expanded my perspective and opinion on what the Bigfoot phenomenon is. You had an interesting Bigfoot before the show came about. It wasn't just like it fell in your lap. Like you'd been working your ass off for years looking into this scripted. I mean, you were in a bigfoot movie. You have a Bigfoot themed podcast. So I guess how.

How does it feel, you know, finally being vindicated, finally being like, this is something that true science can look at. And there's something to it. Not only that, but people are letting you go out in the field and actually like do this on their dying. It's crazy. It's crazy. And you know what? I got to, I got to admit, you know, if you would have asked me 10, 15 years ago, what I would have been doing. And you would have told me I would have been, you know, looking for Bigfoot on a on a travel channel show.

I probably would have laughed in your face. But, you know, the universe is funny. When you have a passion, it moves things towards that passion to make it a reality. And, you know, I know, to answer your previous question, just to sort of give the team intros a real quick shot, just to let you know who's on the show. I mean, we have, you know, one of the greatest primatologists around. Her name is Dr. Moran Mayer, and she's a Fulbright scholar. She co-discovered the world's smallest primate in Madagasy. Ascar, and she's a legitimate anthropologist, primatologist, and she's incredible.

She's incredibly courageous and brave. And, you know, they call her the female Indiana Jones, but she just kicks ass. And then Russell Acord, who is a former military sergeant in the Army, and he has an extensive career doing that and hunting and survival skills. He's been hunting all of his life, tracking. So, I mean, not only that, but he's been researching Bigfoot as well for the better part of two decades. So, I mean, it's Russell that gets out there where no one else wants to go and always gets those most incredible videos because, you know, and to his point, like he always says, I want to go where people don't and Bigfoot does, you know, and that's why I think he's always struck with a lot of those great opportunities to film these creatures in

their environment. And Ronnie LeBlanc, of course, as we know, I mean, here's a guy who is really a an all-around paranormal researcher, I'd like to say, with a special interest in Bigfoot, you know, help cast some of the first trackways that came out of Lemster Park down there on the East Coast. And so he's been involved in Bigfoot and the paranormal for quite a long time. And so we often have great conversations about what this creature is, what's taking place out here. And, you know, and I'll have great conversations about the legitimacy of IWil. witness reports and the science behind it. And Russell, man, you just point and tell him where to go. And he could go anywhere and get a job done. So it's a great team. And, you know, I'm just there to

facilitate using contacts that I have and, you know, being able to reach out to technology companies and defense contractors. And, you know, I speak with a lot of the witnesses and try and put together a game plan to, you know, bring about the most success. Well, and I think that's what you guys do so well. You have people out in the field and you're kind of at the command center, making sure everything's going according to plan. And one of the things I really liked about this season, and you have done this in the past as well, is, you know, if they find some sort of noise out there in the field, record it, they can shoot it to you. You can clean that thing up, send it back. It's like, again, like this is not what we've seen in expeditions like this before or or even investigative shows. Like, you guys have the technology to finally try to uncover this mystery.

And it seems like, you know, you're getting closer and closer every step of the way. It's just, and we're going to go over a lot of that evidence, Bryce. But yeah, yeah, I'm excited. I do want to say we have Bigfoot Society here saying the creation of the skull. We'll get to that. Yeah, yeah. Definitely a fan. Bigfoot Society.

Coolest thing they've done in a long time. I have to agree. Tate here says hello, Bryce. We got a lot of expedition fans. Oh, that's great, man. Shout out to Tate. Shout out to Bigfoot Society. Love those guys, man.

That's great. Awesome. Well, let's talk about evidence, Bryce. Now, this expedition, this season, actually brought us to two different areas, which I do want to talk to you about, like, why that happened. Well, why don't we start there first, actually? You know, we started in one place at the beginning of the season and ended up in another. and this kind of had to do with something that you came across. So would you mind telling our audience

a little about what brought you from Washington to California? Sure. Well, the season really starts in Washington, which I think, you know, out of all the states in the United States, gets more Bigfoot sightings per capita than anywhere else. So, you know, the first half of the show focuses our search on that Olympic Peninsula. And then, of course, halfway through, you know, we've want to, you know, change gears and go right to the epicenter of where the whole sort of Bigfoot phenomenon got started. And that's in Northern California. And I guess in the back of my mind, I always knew we wanted to go there because, I mean, I always wanted to look at that Patterson Gimlin film site one more time. And we were able to do that in this, in this year, which was a

real highlight for me. And I'd love to love to talk about that a little bit more later on. But Yeah, so we made the move to California. And look, we're always trying to follow a lead, whether it's a hair that's telling us maybe we should go here or a recent eyewitness report. So, you know, we're always trying to keep an open mind. But that being said, it's a real logistical challenge to up and switch gears like that. But I think it paid off, man.

As the Krispy Chicken Sandwich from 7-Eleven, people always call me loud. And I'm like, yeah, I know. I'm crispy. Did you expect me to whisper? If you want quiet, go eat some soup and reflect. Like, I know I'm a handful. I'm bold, I'm juicy. Throw some pickles and barbecue sauce on me, and baby, I'm a whole meal.

And with seven rewards, I'm just $4. Quiet. No. Crispy, saucy, and $4? Very. Only at 711. Valley through 62326, participating stores only well supplies last the app for full terms. Yeah, yeah, it definitely did.

Again, it's amazing, like the two types of, of evidence you were finding in both places, which obviously begs the question. You know, we're not dealing with one possible cryptid in one area. Like, these could be different places where these things, plural, actually, hide out in. And that even brings us up to, you know, future expeditions as well, which we're going to. Yeah, no, I mean, it begs so many questions, too, right? Like, I mean, if these creatures sort of exist in groups, you know, are they separate from other groups? And I guess one thing I find always so fascinating is all the different types of these creatures that are reported from the West Coast all the way to the East Coast.

So keep that in mind when you're trying to like figure out what's really taking place here because could there really be that many different types of subspecies of Sasquatch or Bigfoot? I don't know. It's possible. Could they be that well adapted to their environment? that they're actually growing along in that environment, different from like how you would in the Pacific Northwest. You know, I'm thinking of the differences of like, you know, you get a lot of reports of the skunk ape down in Florida, which is very different from the type of Bigfoot reports you get

in the Pacific Northwest. So I don't know, that's something I'm very interested in too, because, I mean, can there, can there be that many Bigfoot species? What's really going on here? I guess let's dive into the evidence this season. Great. Wherever you want to start, Bryce, there are a lot of compelling things throughout the entire season. But if there's anywhere you really want to start where this was like, you know, the moment where you're like, oh, man, we're really up in the ante this season.

And we're really on to something. Anything really stand out to you from maybe the earlier part of the season? You know, I'm kind of, I'm actually pulling up some of my notes right now. But, you know, the first thing off of my, the top of my head is just that, you know, that shadow creature that was captured, that shadow whatever that was captured in Washington, it really had all of our heads spinning. And so I'd really like to, to know what that was all about because there are, you know, native legends that do sort of ascribe these qualities to the stick man or Bigfoot-like type creatures. So that,

that was we weren't expecting to capture something like that and then you know of course for me my favorite evidence is always russell's videos it's always you know i always think it's going to be the vocalizations because i really get a kick out out of those because like you said we try to source uh sounds that come from that area so that we can play them back and uh it seemed to have worked in the past but uh man that that that video that russell captured in in california of whatever that was standing up. I mean, I'm still sort of, yeah, you're going through some of this stuff right here. This video for anyone again.

You can watch the whole season now on Amazon. It was the weirdest thing ever. Like, at first you're like, okay, maybe it's a bear or something. And then the thing stands up on two feet and starts walking up the mountain. It was crazy. And it still could be a bear. Bears are known to like walk on their hind legs. but this one just felt different to me.

Something about my gut was like, it just felt like this creature was possibly observing Russell, which is amazing because he's so far away. And if you'll see in the show, Russell always has some great toys that he brings on his own. I try and provide him as much tech as possible, but let me tell you something, his truck is usually filled to the brim with the coolest gear.

Anyway, so he's got this little, this powerful scope where he could record off of his iPhone. And man, you see it right. here. When I first saw this, and I still watched this video and I just kind of go, that's got to be a big foot, right? I mean, unless it's just a bear or something else. But to me, that's what we're hunting, man. It's right there. And Russell captured it on his video. Yeah, I mean, again, Russ is willing to sort of go anywhere he can, even places he probably don't want him to go. There was another moment this season where we almost lost him. I mean, that was terrifying, man.

That's right. This is sort of your area of expertise covering the UFO and UAP phenomenon. So for your listeners who don't know, we've been doing this the last three years. And we've sort of encountered these balls of light in just about every place we've went. And it's very strange. And I, for one, am starting to feel that these balls of light are somehow, some way connected with the Bigfoot phenomenon. And I know I'm probably not the only one to think that. But, You know, there has to be a connection. Yeah, to reference what you were talking about, yeah, Russell sees this strange ball of light just sort of, you know, sentiently floating along in the distance. And it seems to be leading his way because if you're out there in the field, you're going to look for whatever pops. And so if you see a strange meandering ball of light, you're going to follow that, you know.

And Russell did, and it almost led him off of a hundred foot cliff. So, I mean, he's going right through this steel. It must have been a drain pipe or something. He can see the light at the end. And, man, he just comes to a dead end sheer drop on a face cliff. So I've spoken with witnesses who say, you know, when you hear a Bigfoot scream or or sound like a woman scream or a baby screaming or you see a strange light, you know, these things are trying to lure you into the woods, into the forest.

And it does seem to be like that. Like that might be what happening here. What's happening here, you know? Right. And it brings up a lot of questions to me, you know, for your listeners who aren't following all the, the Bigfoot stuff. There's a whole Bigfoot topic on the bookshelf that discusses sort of missing persons cases

and how they might be related to, let's say, a creature like Bigfoot, missing people that go missing in national parks and have very odd circumstances surrounding those disappearances. Is there a connection to Bigfoot? I don't know, but it's certainly worth investigating. And, but yeah, so there's something about these things luring you in to the woods. And, yeah, pretty interesting. Yeah, yeah.

I think, you know, and we have to keep in mind, too, like, while you are hunting this mysterious creature, there are many creatures out there that could be just as dangerous. And we do see that in this season as well. You guys aren't like, it's not like you're telling all the wild life. step back, we're hunting Bigfoot. Like, you aren't in their playground, right? Listen, bears are on my mind. I don't know. For me, it's bears.

I guess I think maybe Russell has the thing about mountain lions, something quietly stalking from behind. But yeah, we're out there and look at, we're pushing into places in the woods where a lot of people really don't go. So we're budding up right against wildlife territory and paths. And so, of course, we're going to, you know, That's always on my mind. I'm not as, you know, I don't have as much experience in the field as these guys.

But I'll tell you one thing. When you have a camera behind you, it gives me a sense of courage. I'm like, well, I'm not going to back out now. I got to keep going forward, you know, but there's been some pretty hairy moments on the show. That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And even your cameramen have become part of the story a lot of times where, you know, usually these people blend back into the background.

But they are there with you guys doing this. and I give them all the credit in the world. I know there's many on your camera crew and production. There's so many people involved with these types of things, and they become a part of it as well. I think we should keep that in mind. Like, nobody's safe. Just because there's a camera there doesn't mean, you know,

that something bad can't happen. So, again, goodos to your entire crew. And not all of them are believers, and rightfully so. They shouldn't be. But so there's this, like, thing that happens. happens like when we're you know when when when something occurs we kind of look to our like did you see that what's that what do you think that is huh and and a lot of the times they're like man i don't like a no man let me just yeah yeah no they've really become a part of the show and they're

listen they're on this journey with us and they're experiencing a lot of these things that we are so they are a hard let me tell you something they are a hard working talented bunch uh shout out to this expedition bigfoot crew because they work their asses off and They're just so damn talented. The show looks that way because of these guys. So it's important to have a visual experience. I want you to be on your couch and feeling like we're dragging you into the middle of the woods with us. And all you have to do is sit there and eat your popcorn.

Yep. Yep. And look at this beautiful scenery. I mean, some of the drone shots you guys doing this thing are just breathtaking. Oh, man. It's incredible. I want to go back to this. for a moment. Forgive me. I'm still getting used to this program. There we go.

So this was one of the first things that really caught my attention in the season, and that was these nests. And could you maybe describe what these are, what they represent to us, Bryce, and why they were so important in terms of the expedition this season? Yeah, absolutely. So this thing about Bigfoot nests have sort of become a key piece of what we might consider evidence. And, you know, as we said in the show, it's a primate behavior because gorillas actually will make a bed of nest, a nest much like this. Only they make a new one every day, which I was surprised by. But anyway, the camera does not do this and this nest justice. It's hard to see. But when you're there, it looks almost as if Big Bird from Sesame Street made a nest out of the forest pine around you.

And that's what it looks like with your eyes. You know, and when you step on it, when I first stepped on it, almost twisted my ankle because I went so far down. I want almost like a foot and a half, two feet of just like cushion. And I just stepped right in it and it released this pocket of air that just let out this stench. And so these are like, this idea that these things are, you know, possibly using nests to bed down and just hang out is not a new idea. There's been, you know, a project based out of Washington that has been looking into this idea of Bigfoot nesting sites for quite some time. And they've got a lot of really compelling evidence. But, you know, it's incredible that we were able to find these two.

But there's no doubt about it when you see them and when you smell them. And of course, we took eDNA samples, which also released some pretty confounding and interesting information. well. Right. We will definitely get to the DNA tests a little bit later. And it's up to you, how much you want to reveal, Bryce. We'll see. But let's move on to, all right, this was another one that really caught my attention. Yeah. Yeah. What is this? What am I looking at? Man, that is a, that looks like a huge footprint to me. And it's about, according to the measurement, it's about 16 and a half, which is right in that wheelhouse. of what a big foot footprint should be.

But for your audience, lest we forget, this is just a picture of a footprint, but when you put into context of how this shot came to be, you start to understand the story that's taking place. Russell and his cameraman, Zach, were pushing something up the riverbed, choking it out, and they were tracking what they believed was a big foot. They could hear the sounds.

They believed they were hot on the trail. They were up on a bridge. when they heard something down below, Zach, his, Russell's cameraman, looks over, he thinks he might have saw the tail end of this hairy creature going around the riverbed. So he thinks he got eyes on whatever made this foot track.

Russell repels down that bridge, which, I mean, he does in great time, but obviously enough time for something to get away because, you know, nightfall happened. Anyway, he tracked it. And this is one of the first things he came upon. And yeah, it's just, it's a chef's kiss big footprint, man. And, you know, we had that analyzed by Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum, who took a pretty good look at it.

And it passed his mustard. That's enough for me. That is definitely enough for me. All right. You got to explain this to me, man. This is a discovery you made underwater. What was this all about? This is witchy, right?

I don't like this. This is just, you know, I was investigating a lake where there was a lot of activity. And, you know, of course, you know, we know we're always going to be near water because if these creatures and everything, you know, survives on water. So we have this incredible submersible drone I was dying to use. I was like, we will use this drone in the lake and we will, I don't know. And, you know, three, four hours later of cruising that thing around and trying to untangle it. get it out of, you know, finally get it moving. You just sort of, you find this thing and you're like,

what the heck is that, you know? I mean, it looks, I don't know, it just looks. It looks made. Like, it clearly, this is artificial. It looks artificial. I never pulled it out of the lake. I never, I never did anything like that, which is I sort of regret because it'd be great to pull, see if I can pull some more evidence off that.

But to me, it just looked very like, I don't know, you know, you run across a lot of these, what's known in the Bigfoot community is these structures, these ornate tree structures. And a lot of the times these trees are 14, 15, 24 inches in diameter. They're huge. And they're just placed way high in and in these geometric shapes and they crisscross. And to me, they represent some sort of communicative sign. I'm not sure what they are saying, but they seem to be a way of communicating territory, ideas, information to other passing Bigfoot groups or whatever. But I don't know. I've seen smaller ones.

And could this possibly be, you know, something made by a creature like a big foot? I mean, if they're making these big structures, who's to say they're not also making, you know, tiny doll-like structures? Happens in, you know, all over the world in ancient, you know, people. They're always making, you know, things. I don't know. This was, but this to me was very witchy. I got a bad feeling about this, whatever the hell it was. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to stay clear of that one. This is underwater. But underground bunkers was another thing you guys touched on, which I was not expecting in a Bigfoot show. Would you mind maybe running us a little through that, Bryce, this sort of weird secret governmental stuff that you guys looked at this season? Yeah, well, we weren't expecting it either. But we talked. to a witness who told us that, you know, he was at a Christmas party where a buddy who was working

on some secretive project out West said, you know, hey man, check out these, he showed him pictures of these bigfoot's in trees and these research bunkers. And this was in the 70s, by the way. But that was information that basically said there was obviously some type of funded program, whether it was private or government, I'm not sure, but some type of program. program invested in researching big foots in the Pacific Northwest and using hideouts like underground bunkers as command centers. So when you have information like that, it's great information because now with technology today, I can fly a drone over with LIDAR over a certain area and I can look for telltale signs

of manmade structures in an area. So this is something that you can check and verify. And that's exactly what we did. And we were able to find some what looked like anomalous structures that did support that evidence. But unfortunately, we weren't able to get into them. So again, it's this blurry line, which I think we're starting to, you know, uncover a little bit more and look at it into more is what does the government know about Bigfoot, you know? And, you know, this is a very interesting field where we start to cross because we're at a time and a place for, your listeners where we're now sort of government has had had their hand forced into

revealing what their programs that they had and their interests in UFO. And now we know, well, of course the government is interested in UFOs. And of course they're spending money and earmarking money for these programs. And, but the Bigfoot cat is not out of the bag yet. We don't know. You know, their hand hasn't been forced like that New York Times article. The great journalists on that basically had their evidence. at hand to say, hey, we're running this story, whether you like it or not. You know, we don't have that in the Bigfoot community yet. But I don't know.

I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, five, ten years down the road, you may be seeing the New York Times cover some Bigfoot story. Yet, that's a good way to put it, man. I think, like you said, it's forcing the hand to the government. They're never going to disclose anything willingly. And it took us decades and decades to finally make that happen with UFOs. So I have no doubt there's been government programs. We know for a fact there were some government involvement with Bigfoot and testing hair and whatnot.

Just think about what their interest would be. I mean, a lot of our greatest military technology came from nature. The skin on a submarine comes from that of a shark. So imagine what you could do if you're hearing rumors about creatures out west that can camouflage and cloak and move silently through areas and use things like mind speak. and what type of powers of the mind do they have? We know the government is very interested in the mind powers of the human being, and they've studied that.

Could they be interested in powers that these creatures may have? Why not? If we could pull that and use it for some type of military apparatus, I think that would be great. But let's not put the cart before the horse. First thing we got to do is prove that these creatures do, in fact, exist on a flesh and blood plane. And I think that's going to be a pretty, a pretty tough thing to do.

It is, but, you know, I mean, you guys are getting closer and closer to discovering if this is flesh and blood or if this is something supernatural or extraterrestrial. You know, we'll go down that road for sure. But I think, like you said, first is proving that these things actually exist. And I'd love to know, Bryce, there were several DNA samples that you guys collected. this season from different areas and in different ways. Would you mind maybe running us through? There were two key, I think, DNA results that you guys revealed in your special,

your post-show special. Could you tell us a little about how these samples were collected and where they went off to be reviewed? Yeah, absolutely. So the first hair you're probably talking about, the E-DNA sample was pulled from the nesting site. And the E-DNA that probably was significant in a strange way was that hair that Russell, Russell made this cool tracker that would, you know, and he stuck it on a branch. Anything passing by at a, you know, he placed it higher than a bear would be.

So at like eight, seven foot, anything passing by with hair would grab this tracker. Anyway, we pulled DNA off of that. And, you know, the thing about Bigfoot and, And DNA is sort of a long-sorted controversial history. So we're really at sort of the ground level with e-DNA, which stands for environmental DNA. And, you know, so we're being very careful with that. And what I mean by that is, so when we were out in Kentucky, we found this strange tree structure. And of course, Dr. Mayer took an e-D-N-A sample, and we sent it off to accredited lab here in L.A.

and it came back showing these pan-troglodyte indicators. Pantroglodyte is the species genus name for the chimpanzee. And so it was one of those moments where we were like, wait a minute, what the heck? How is their chimpanzee DNA at this tree structure? I mean, unless there's an escaped chimpanzee from a zoo or like what's happening here. You know, we share most of our DNA. Our closest living relative is that of the orangutang and the chimpanzee. I mean, it's a minuscule difference, the differences between our DNA.

But anyway, you know, that sent us, here's some evidence that's telling us, you know, you're getting some primate hits here. What's going on with that? We actually sent Dr. Mayer back to Kentucky because science doesn't work like that. It has to be repeatable. She took another sample. Again, that pan-troglite, I did come up. but not nearly in the high numbers that it did the first time.

So that was a little discouraging. But I guess the hair that you might be talking about was so obviously we pulled EDN, I'm sorry, DNA. We pulled E DNA samples from those nesting sites. And while we didn't get any, we did get some sort of orangue indicators, which is another thing that's like, what? Yeah, they were very, they were very small. But what we did find was a.

hair at the nest on that chain, the chain link fence. And it was that of this species of wolf that is really only found in the Alaskan panhandle, southeastern Alaska. And so we're like, how the F does that get here in California? Right. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever because it's a very small population of these wolves. I forget the name of it. I'm not even going to try it. But anyway, so right there it was kind of like telling us, you know, hey, maybe there's something here because a lot of reports, not a lot of reports, there are a few reports where people do describe these creatures wearing furs, whether it's deer pelts, whether it's bear, wolf, you know, so there are these reports where people say, you know, Bigfoot, where

it's kill, wears furs, it uses its environment sometimes. And so I thought, why couldn't, you know, a big foot with possibly wearing

this strange wolf pell down here, and that's how that hair got there. It's the only thing I could think of. Dr. Mare wasn't too fancy. That's a pretty big stretch for her, but it gave us what we needed to kind of,

you know, move the search north. And of course, as we revealed on the show, that's all we needed to take it to Alaska where there's so many real interesting reports about Bigfoot. So it felt very natural. I can't wait, man. That's like, again, untapped territory. I think one of the members of your team mentioned, like, such diverse life lives up in Alaska. A lot of things we probably

haven't even discovered yet. So I can't even imagine what you guys will uncover there. It's crazy. Yeah. Imagine just the acres where human feet have never even treaded. across. There's got to be just hundreds of thousands of them there in Alaska, you know. It's just, the place is huge. And the lore of Bigfoot in places like that are so steeped in the culture that it just, you know, you can walk into a place and people be like, Bigfoot, yeah, yeah, Bigfoot, of course, you know, and you're like, oh, wow, I didn't, okay, why, why, why that, you know. So it's a great place and I think it's it's a natural fit for for our team do you like stories of the strange the weird and the unexplained then we want you to check out jim harold's campfire the concept is pretty simple

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Some are actually pretty heartwarming, like a visit from a past loved one or a peaceful near-death experience. Regardless, these are true and fascinating stories told by ordinary people who've had extraordinary experiences. Tune in to Jim Herald's Campfire on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to somewhere in the skies. And remember, stay spooky. Well, you talked about untapped territory. That was another pretty cool and I guess sort of controversial thing this season was you guys were tracking something and it ended up on what we now know is federal land,

an area that you guys are not allowed to go investigate. And I've actually run into that problem with investigating UFO cases as well, where there were areas where I was told that something crashed, maybe debris from a craft was there. And I wanted to go there and dig. And I was told, no, you can't. It's federal land. Sorry about that.

I even worked with a gentleman. who thought he found stuff at the Roswell site. And they actually confiscated it from him because it is now owned by the government. So I'd love to maybe hear a little about what you guys dealt with with that, if you don't mind. Well, sure. I mean, think about the perfect bureaucratic red tape. All you would need is to own a small parcel land to keep anyone off of it and, of course, obtain anything found thereon.

Here's the thing. And I don't want to be very conspiratorial, you know. because I'm not that type of guy. But here's the thing. You know, it seems like there was a lot of Bigfoot activity in this area. And we got information that when I talked to that logger who told me he had stumbled upon what could only be described as a Bigfoot nesting site. It was something he had never seen before.

He described like almost a dozen beds in this, you know, place that was then. acquired by some federal land grab, you know, and why was that? You know, we were, we were interested in why, why is, why the government would be interested in a piece of property like that? So, I don't know, it just sent off some red flags for us that, like, you know, obviously, I believe if these creatures do in fact exist, they're incredibly intelligent. And like a lot of places that are, that are, you know, cordoned off for wildlife to thrive, like Yellowstone, if Bigfoot knows that no hunt. hunters, no researchers, no investigators are going to come into this huge parcel of land.

Why wouldn't they go there for complete protection? So I don't know. It's interesting. And yeah, like you said, I don't know, there are earmarked budgets for land acquisition where certain crafts have been said to come and land. And I don't know, it's a strange thing. It is. Yeah, but it's something we're interested in, you know.

Well, yeah, I hope we can further that conversation when it comes to the government's involvement with Bigfoot for sure. Sure. Well, I want to touch on this image. And for those of you listening to the podcast, this is an image of Bryce with, it looks like he just got the best Christmas present of all time. Would you mind describing what we're seeing here, man, and kind of the process of what's going on in these images here? Yeah, of course. So, you know, I spoke with a witness who got a face-to-face encounter with a Bigfoot that lasted quite a long time. And with that comes a lot of memory detail of what this creature looked like.

So we set him down with an incredible forensic sketch artist. Oh, my God. His name is Michael. I got to find it because you should follow him on his testimony. He does this. His passion is, you know, sketching these eyewitness accounts of Bigfoot reports. Anyway, from all that information, I was like, there's so much here, why not just get the skull made? You know, and that's exactly what we did.

We sent it off to a guy out there, and I think it was Scotland, I forget, but his name was Tobias. Dang, I wish I had those names on the tip of my tongue. But anyway, he was able to graft a 3D model of just from that sketch what this big foot head and its proportions would look like. And when you hold it in your hand, you feel like you're holding a piece of our ancestral history. In some way, some form, you're like, yes, this roamed planet Earth or still does. It's a strange feeling. And it's huge. And the crazy, the picture that you're looking at that has hair, Michael Montoya, thank you, Bigfoot Society.

If you're out there, follow Michael Montoya on Instagram. He has an incredible page. and you'll just get to see a whole variety of what these bigfoot creatures have been reported to look like. But yeah, so this one, they added hair in the face. And it's a little funny at first, but when you start peering into the eyes, you sort of then put yourself in the position of what would I do if I was, say, hiking with my son or my daughter or my wife or my dog? And I'm in the middle of nowhere. I'm on a pretty populated trail.

And, you know, it's getting dark. and up ahead something like this walks onto the trail and stops and just stares at you. What would you do? What would your mind do? Because these reports happen all the time. And the people who reporting them are not looking for fame. They're not looking to make money. As a matter of fact, they're risking more than they're acquiring.

They're risking their reputation. You know, they're risking, you know, being laughed at by their friends, family, and peers for being one of those people who saw Bigfoot, but it happens all the time. And, you know, you often hear that somebody sees a creature like this if they're a hunter and they see what you're looking at through the scope. They can't pull that trigger because they recognize this humanness in these faces. And I guess that's a lot of the interest for me in Bigfoot. But what is this thing? Is it part of our story? Is it something completely separate from us? Does it represent our past like the small gray alien represents our future? Because, you know, there is a very psychological dimension to this thing here, too, to this. And that's why I do house it under the, I couch it under the term Bigfoot phenomenon. Because as as very real as these eyewitness testimonies are of just a flesh and blood creature walking across a trail, I also. We also talk to very credible witnesses who describe these creatures dematerializing, communicating them with mindspeak. So I call this type of stuff the stranger aspects of big footery.

And I don't want to discount it. I don't want to discount it because it's in these small details that I think we're going to get to the bottom of what this mystery really is. And trust me when I say this, there is a mystery at play here on this planet when it comes to why. hairy men walking around in the woods. Now, is this a psychological archetype or is there a real unconfirmed relic hominid walking the Pacific Northwest? I don't know, but something is happening. People are seeing something. Evidence is being left behind. And man, to me, it's just one of the greatest mysteries at our dinner plate. And to me, that's why I just love this so much is because ever ever since I saw that Patterson Gimlin film, I've always felt like I was looking at the monster under my bed that my parents told me wasn't supposed to be there.

But yet, there it is, walking off into the woods. What is that? Thanks, yours too. What does Ravs stand for anyway? To me, it's the remarkably advanced vehicle. Really? To me, it's the runway approved vehicle for its amazing style. What about remarkably adaptable vehicle because of its versatile cargo space?

Or really admired vehicle? Oh, or really awesome vehicle. It really is the recreational activity vehicle. The stylish 2026 Toyota RAP4 Limited. What's your Rav 4? I love that, man. Yeah, I've had those moments, too, of looking in the sky and seeing something I couldn't readily explain

and being like, I was told this wasn't a thing, this wasn't real. But I'm looking at it. So, like, someone's either lying to me or the world is far, stranger than I could have ever imagined. And everyone in the chat here saying preach, preach, Bryce, this idea of the Bigfoot being our past and the alien being our future and we're somehow converging right now in maybe finally understanding that timeline. Well, yeah, that just blows my mind to think about that. Sure. There's something I'm fascinated with because, you know, look, there does seem to be a

psychological dimension to this. We do seem to be pulling this image. We can't seem to be. to let go of where we came from, you know, traveling around and hunter gather small groups, stronger, bigger, taller, hunter, gather, you know, private, shy, intelligent, not ready to enter the blubbering life of a city dweller, you know, staying in the woods, you know, there is that image of us. We're fascinated by it. It's where we come from. And then you have the small gray alien archetype that's been developing in the U.F.

foe community. What's that? Why the big brain? Why the small mouth? Why the spindly arms? Does it not need to eat as much? Does it have more brain computing power? Has it already interfaced with AI? You know, is that our future? Are we pulling that archetype towards us? You know, these are questions we all should be asking because it's like that great moment in Star Wars when Luke Skywalker, when he's training with Yoda and he's going into the woods and he says, you're only going to find what bring with you? You know, and I think that happens a lot in the UFO community and the Bigfoot community. We find what we bring with us.

And the phenomenon can morph and change into whatever it needs to to represent itself to us. So it's a strange thing. Absolutely. I think, you know, one of the words that always, always stands out to me with these phenomena is amorphous. It really does bend and mold to what we. We either want it to be or maybe not want it to be and what you can take, what your perception can manage.

And it's fascinating. Someone in the chat said very youngy and stuff. I hope that's a good thing. I hope that's a good thing. Absolutely is. Absolutely. Well, I want to touch on Bryce. There was also a part in this season where you guys did go back to the Patterson Gimlin film.

Am I correct in that and look at that? Someone in the chat said, didn't they admit that it was faked? Is that true? And if not, can you tell us a little about what you guys looked at this season with that? Sure, absolutely. Look, there's been a lot of things said about the Patterson Gimlin video and the film site. But first and foremost, I want to give my utmost gratitude and shout out to what is the Bluff Creek Project

and guys like Rowdy Kelly and even Tate, who without them, we would have never gotten down there to the exact place and been able to pinpoint a lot of those sort of precise markers that we use. So a big shout out to those guys who have been doing that hard work for so, so long. This video, the 1967 Patterson Gimlin video, is more than just a video. And it'll never be more than just a film. It'll never be proved, okay? And it'll never be validated or vindicated. And it'll also never be proven to be a hoax. can't, it's done. It's lost in time. It's already been mythologized. It's moved past that. It's on into the world of Tulpa now. The Patterson Gimlin film is an incredible piece of evidence. And people have been looking at that film for more than 50 years. I believe it could be the

most second analyzed film behind the Zabruder film, where JFK was shot. So anyway, people have been trying to figure out how tall that subject that creature was in the film for decades, because they've always felt if we could get a height on that creature, we could prove once and for all that that's a big foot. And, you know, I sort of thought that too. But when we have the technology to use LIDAR on a site like that, it's an incredible opportunity because not only be, you know, can you determine the pebbles on the ground up to the leaves on the tree, you can determine anything you need to. And so it was, I'm really proud of the work we did there. So anyway, we were able to LiDAR that site and make a determination once and for all that anybody can check the data,

how tall that creature was. Her name is Patty. They call her that because that was Roger Patterson's wife's name, but also because Roger Patterson, they called it Patty. Anyway, I'm rambling. I'm going on and on the creature came out to be six foot three, but that doesn't matter because we also know it to be a female. And in the guerrilla population, the males are usually on average 20 to 25 percent larger than their female counterparts. So that puts Patty right in that, that perfect zone of what a female bigfoot might look like. And here's another thing. I just say this about the Patterson Gimlin film. I know a lot of people say, yeah, but isn't that guy he went on that show and he did. the lie detector test about the, about he's the guy that wore the suit. Yeah, he may have did that.

And those producers, have you ever seen anybody win on that said show? No, because it was formulated that way. And if you look into it, you're really only knowing half the story. Roger Patterson also took a lie detector test on his deathbed too and came back that he was telling the truth too. So they can't both be telling the truth. Anyway, it's just an incredible piece of evidence because you had two witnesses describing the same thing. They've never changed their story over 50 years. You have that incredible film left behind. And you also have the trackway cast that they also took.

So they were able to plaster cast those tracks that that creature left behind. And I don't know if your audience had seen the show, but I speak with PGF film expert Bill Munn's. And when you watch him walk you through that video and you see the toes going up and down, like this and the calf muscle moving and the hair on the back of its neck rising as it turns around to catch Bob Gimlin about to point its rife letter. You know, and he said it, I don't know what that is. I just know it's 100% biological organic. That is not a suit. And I agree with him 100%. That's so cool. Yeah, that is not a suit. And, you know, I think that's what's so cool, Bryce,

about today's world of investigation is we have this in the UFO field too, where we can now go look at literally cases from antiquity and look at them in a different light. We have people in the UFO field now who are going back to cases in the 1700s, the 1800s, the 1800s, and they're able to geographically, you know, find these places on Google Maps. they're able to go back and find what the weather was at that time and be like, huh, maybe this was a weather phenomenon. So the fact that now we can actually use tools to go back and solve past cases, I think is incredible. I mean, will we ever truly know what Patterson Gimlin was? Maybe not.

Maybe not what Roswell was or, you know, all these other UFO cases. But we have a chance. We now have better chances at unraveling. these things, which I think is so cool. And an example of that is what you guys did on the show. Well, thank you. I completely agree. You know, I also do another podcast. It's called the Bigfoot Collectors Club. And we've been researching stories of high strangeness for the last five years. And one thing I've come to learn is that is to look for that strange detail. Don't discount it because it doesn't fit what you think defines a UFO encounter or an abduction story or a Bigfoot encounter.

Look for that strange detail because that's going to hold a clue. Because when you start to look at a lot of these cases, cryptozoological, UFOs, cryptids, whatever, you name it, there's just about a strange detail in each and every one of those cases, and they start to form patterns. And you can start to see an overall picture that there is a good chance that perhaps a lot of this phenomenon is connected. I don't know.

It's a crazy theory, but, but don't discount the strange. Look for the strange. Look for the strange. Well, hey, you guys definitely did that this season for sure. And the next image I'm going to put up here is going to show that you definitely were willing to look at other possibilities. There's my ugly mug there on Expedition Bigfoot. I should mention, you know, I'm a little biased when it comes to like in the show because I was so graciously invited.

on by you to talk about the connections between Bigfoot and UFOs, something people do not think about. And when you came to me, man, I was like, racking my brain. I'm like, I know they're out there. I know they're out there. So I started digging, digging, digging. And I was able to find some pretty compelling stuff to show that at least Bigfoot was being cited with UFOs. Now, does that necessarily mean they're connected. We don't know. But there were some fascinating cases. So I guess what did your other teammates think when you brought this idea to them? I know people like Ronnie had seen stuff when he was out in the field. You saw lights. All of your team members saw weird lights out there. What did they think when you said, I'm bringing a euphologist in to talk about this? Where they

like, oh, God, here we go. This is where we jump the shark. Well, and, and you, you know, this is what I love because this is your lane. And I'm sure they probably thought, hey, we've got enough to chew on with this Bigfoot thing. But I want people to know. I want people to know that, and Ryan, you did this so perfectly. You just laid the groundwork for how all this stuff is connected. And, you know, we've been interested in stuff like, you know, I'll start here. You know, we talked a little bit about Skinwalker Ranch on your segment and why

that's important and what that has to do with Bigfoot, right? What does that have to do with Bigfoot? And the truth is, the truth is, is once we read books like Skinwalkers at the Pentagon by George Knapp, and we read into where that $22 million of the defense budget that was allocated for A-Tip, you know, this UFO program, where'd all that money go? Well, we now know it went to a place called Skinwalker Ranch where they were looking into all sorts of phenomenons. like UFOs, UAPs, upright walking creatures, big hairy monsters, as John Keel used to call them. So we know that millions of dollars were spent at this ranch and they were collecting data on all kinds of strange shit. Pardon my French.

So, you know, when you're, so, you know, when you're trying to make these connections, it's not hard to do because, I mean, it is hard to do because each field is, is so, you know, gussied up with controversy, but, but it's easy to point to those markers at like places like Skinwalkers and say, you know, the government is interested in places like this and phenomenon like this. Right. And, you know, I, this, this dates back a long time. I mean, you can look at something like, um, one of the cases I brought up with you guys out of California, not too far from where you were actually investigating Bigfoot. Um, There was a case in Humboldt County in 1888 where this cattle rancher was approached by Native Americans. And they said, come with us.

We have to show you something. Come with us, white man. We have to show you something. And they bring him to this cave. And there they have this creature that's just in the cave, sort of scared, doesn't know what it's doing. And they're like, do you know what this is? Because we don't. But we saw it come from a moon that descended to the ground.

round, three of these creatures came out and they started scampering all over. One of them came into the cave and it won't leave now. And they look at this thing. It's got black hair, yellow eyes. And it seems terrified. It doesn't know what to do. And this is one of the earliest cases I was able to find where we had a moon or let's say a UFO descend from the sky, bring out these creatures and then presumably pick them back up. I don't know.

But yeah, what did you think when we saw that this doesn't just, you know, this isn't a modern UFO era thing. These things have been happening for a while. You know, I'm not too surprised to find out there. There's some old,

you know, indigenous legends of tall hairy creatures and strange lights in the sky. It's hard. And your UFO audience must know when somebody's describing a small descending moon, we're talking about a UFO here, right? I mean,

what are we talking about here? So, yeah, I love that connection, and that's a great story. And, yeah, I'm not sure what the connection is. There does seem to be one. I'm not sure what the relationship with the UFO-UAP phenomenon and Bigfoot is. Maybe if there are intelligent pilots of these craft, they are aware of all the different flora and fauna that exist on this planet that might include a creature like Bigfoot.

And they're interested in checking up on him as well. I know they're interested in checking up on us. Right, right. Well, this is, these are some people who they might have checked up on. I don't know if I brought this up on the show, Bryce. Are you familiar with the Dietlough Pass incident? Come on, man. Is Bryce Johnson you're talking to?

I'm almost, uh, okay. Yeah, of course, man. I actually, I did a, uh, I did a show that might be coming out soon where I'll, I'll serve as a talking head expert on the Dietlough pass case. Oh my gosh. Perfect. Me meant to be. with the incredible story of these nine hikers and how they all lost their lives.

And that picture right there that to me looks like what might be considered a Russian Mank or a Bigfoot, Russian style. Yeah. So, you know, I did an episode. Yeah, exactly. I did an episode a while back on Dietlav. And we did go over the many theories about what could have happened to these hikers. You know, everything from obviously possible missile tests being done. or a very unruly native tribe that didn't want these people there, up to UFOs and possible cryptic creatures. I'll say this about the Dietlov Pass. If you start to research the case and go over all the injuries sustained pre-and-post death,

and you look at everybody's possible scenarios, there's really only one candidate, in my humble opinion, that fits the bill that could accomplish. all these, you know, terrible injuries. And that's a big foot. I don't believe in the mini avalanche theory. I don't believe in radiation coming off of a missile test. I don't believe in Russian military getting involved. Because if somebody's going to point a gun at you, you're going to fight for your life, right? You're not going to let them crush your ribs, take out your eyes, eat your tongue. You're going to fight back. No bullet shots were fired. These nine hikers were huddled inside their tent. Experts. found that a knife was cut from inside the tent. Inside, to me, that looks like trying to peer out from the safety of your tent. And then everybody just scattered to their own death and would die of brutal, brutal injuries. And, you know, I think the coroner described it.

It was almost as if these injuries were sustained by like somebody hugging someone to death, you know. So I don't know, man. It's a strange case, but I do believe people. dismiss the Russian Bigfoot a little early, a little preemptive. I still think it's a good candidate for what might have happened to those nine hikers. I have to agree. And we have to say these photos were found on the cameras of some of the individuals. You've got what could be considered a UFO possibly, or this could be an artifact within the camera. We just don't know. There were many very mysterious photos that were found in this supposed creature.

that we're looking at was one of those as well. Could it be a hiker dressed up? Maybe. Could it just be, you know, it could be anything. But the fact of the matter is these nine people were brutally, brutally killed. And you truly do have to wonder what happened there. So I always go to that one as well. Yeah. Yeah, me too. I mean, in one of the ladies' journals, she said, I believe her name was Lute Mill as she wrote down, the snowman exists. That's what they call the Russian Bigfoot, the snowman. Why would she be? write that. That gives me chills. I'm just thinking about it. Someone in the chat here actually brought this up. Godly Moose says the 73 wave is infamous of UFOs in Bigfoot. So this is another big case that I looked into in Fayette County, Pennsylvania, where George... Yeah, this is the, um, the, the, Stan Gordon stuff, right? Yes, yes, yep, Stan Gordon, the famous UFO investigator investigated this, where, um, George Kowalsik. This dude witnesses, this red ball come out of the sky and basically crash land in a field. And so he pulls over George to go look at what this was. And when he gets out of his car, you know, he's gun in hand, ready to see what the heck's going on. And what does he see?

But these hairy hominid creatures come out of the light of this ball that landed it there, deep red eyes, as you can see there. And they start walking towards him. And he's just not having it. He's terrified. So he fires at these things, dude. And the bullets supposedly just start, you know, ricocheting off of them. It's not, not affecting them. However, it does seem to scare them.

And they just turn around very slowly and walk. back to their craft. And again, like, what the hell is going on here? So he reports this to the local law enforcement. And the next day, they go out there to investigate the area. And what do they find? They find all these burnt char marks on the fence posts. They see this huge indentation in the ground where it looks like something landed. There were, there was like a sulfuric smell all around the area as well that George said he could smell when these creatures came out. And I know you guys have experienced these phantom smells as well of um these creatures don't seem to uh shower that often and uh something something's going on there but this is another striking case of UFOs in

bigfoot what do you make of this one i would say if those pictures are cool anybody who saw that and tried to describe it and report it a sheriff taking the report would say you mean bigfoot so yeah i mean that looks like a big foot to me right maybe not your typical bigfoot but what's interesting thing is, yeah, I love this case. Comes out of an orange fiery ball. Strange doesn't know where it's is, acting crazy, laser eyes. Who doesn't love a Bigfoot with laser eyes?

Yeah, it's strange, right? You know, one of my favorite sort of, I guess, authors is a guy named John Keel. He was a 40-an investigator, and he wrote The Mothman Prophecies. He's sort of famous for that. But he called all these things

B-HMs, otherwise known as big hairy monsters. And he didn't want to like, you know, get specific because like this creature that you just pointed out to us, there were so many different colors and variations and sizes and looks that he just started labeling them all, big hairy monsters. And, you know, maybe it's the same type of phenomenon that people are experiencing out in the woods, you know. I don't know.

Yeah. I don't know. Same. I do want to thank Mark here for Super Sticker. Thanks, man. Mark's a big supporter of someone in the sky. So we always appreciate that. Yeah, guys, if you want, throw some questions in the super chat.

If you want to help out the show, support Summer in the Skies. We'll have Bryce hopefully have some answers for you. He is a busy guy, so we probably won't be going for too much longer. But Bryce, I've got one more case that I wanted to bring up with you, if that's cool. And this actually comes from the actual Project Blue Book files. And this is when I brought to the show, because I'm, I was like, here you go. Here is when the government or the U.S. Air Force actually had files on a big footcase that involved UFOs.

And this one actually happened. This was case number 10798 of the project book files. And this happened in July of 1966 in Preskyle State Park in Pennsylvania. Again, there's something with Pennsylvania, man. Yeah. Where all these things are happening. These four tourists from New York were on vacation. and they went to the beach and their car actually got stuck in the sand.

So it was two women, two guys. The guys go to look for help, someone to help them get the car out. And meanwhile, they see some weird thing in the sky, like just zip past the water. They thought maybe it was a plane coming in for like an emergency landing. But whatever these lights were, they went into the woods disappeared. So the guys are like, oh, crap. All right, now we have a bigger problem. We have to go see if this is like a crash plane or something.

something. So they go and look in the woods and they can't find anything. There's nothing there that would say that, um, you know, something could crash. While this is happening, the women are still in the car. And what they claim is that some sort of hairy creature at least seven feet tall started running towards them on the beach, jumped on the top of their car, shook the car and then got off and ran into the woods where that UFO supposedly went. And then they the guys come back and they're like, we didn't find anything. We're going to go try to find the police and they're like, we've got bigger problems. Like a big foot or something just attacked us. God. All right. All right. So they go to local law enforcement and they come in and the police are

definitely saying something's weird here. Like there's huge indentations on the top of the roof. there were reports in the area of something in the sky around Preskeyele. So something weird was happening. So what did they do? They phone the Air Force. They phone Project Blue Book. And several Air Force investigators, one of which you see in this photo here, actually showed up and took a report.

He's looking at the indentations right there in the beach. And this is the official file. And I know it's a little small. I don't know if I can make it any bigger. But you can see on the, the right hand side there, the conclusions, lights, unidentified, indentations, not related to above sighting. Okay, maybe, maybe not. The last one, monster.

Probable animal, not related. So we don't know. I just think it's hilarious in a project blue book file. It says, yeah, they give the UFO, it's justice. They're like unidentified. And then even the second one, they're like unidentified. Then they're like, third one for Bigfoot, probably animal, probably animal. animal. Everything else, though, UFOs.

But that was probably an animal. Like, come on, man. That's great. I know there's never, I love that one. Yeah. It's great. It's great. And I know there's other cases as well. But those were the ones I were, I was able to dig up for Expedition Bigfoot. So I highly suggest people watch the special you guys did called New Discoveries, where we get the results from the tests that you guys did as well. and a lot of stuff, including one I didn't mention.

So before we go, Bryce, and maybe if there's any listener questions, tell me about this remote viewing thing. Oh, yes, please. We didn't even touch on that. I totally forgot. You guys had a remote viewer come in? How did this come about? Well, I'm always trying to think of sort of, you know,

outside of the box ways to hunt Bigfoot, right? And what better way than get a remote viewer to tell us right where Bigfoot's hiding? For those in your show who aren't familiar with remote viewing, it was, it's this idea that given just a small amount of information, an individual can get a picture of in their mind this place or a place or an object. And they can do it and they can draw it out and give you that information. And the government was very interested and still are in this subject of remote viewing. and they studied it extensively at labs like SRI in the 70s. There's some great research materials on remote viewing. You should check it out.

But anyway, so this guy named Chris Duncan, he tells us, you know, he does a reading for Ronnie. And he gets a lot of things like, you know, this fence. He saw a fence. And next close to these nests that we found was this fence. And so, you know, he's just starting to get hit after hit after hit. So much so they were like, holy cow. This guy is like just insane. sane good, right? Like he's hitting on everything. We had him on the post show. You saw him,

but what you didn't see was, I think Maria and rightfully so, was still a little skeptical about this idea of remote viewing. And she's like, can you do one for me now? And Chris Duncan was like, yeah, sure, sure. I don't have my tools. They really only need a pencil and a piece of paper. But so he's like, yeah. And so he did this spontaneous remote viewing thing for Maria. He had Maria sort of pick a place in her mind and then give him a little bit of information about it. Just like, I forgot how it went down. Maybe it was like, tell me one thing about it. Anyway, he finally gets it and he starts to go into detail.

Okay, I've got it. I'm in a tunnel. I see water like a waterfall. And Maria's face just goes, she goes, I'm thinking of this place I used to go to when I was a kid where it had a tunnel and a waterfall behind the tunnel. She was fucking blown away, pardon my French. There's something to that remote viewing. So, but I thought that was really interesting.

I wish that would have made the cut because that would have even turned the most hard and skeptic into like, oh my God. Well, do me a favor. Go post edit. Take me out and please put that in because that's a lot more interesting. Ryan, you were so great. And you were so, and you know what? It was such an integral part of this conversation.

is because now we can sort of marry the two together and have a civilized discussion about UFOs and this wild hairy man of the woods and what's their connection to each other. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I appreciate that, man. And I have to tell you, your audience for your show are so nice. I can't tell you, after that aired, I had hundreds of people reach out to me, whether on Twitter or email, Facebook, saying, hey, we're going to.

We saw you on Expedition Bigfoot. We want to learn more about these possible connections. And it meant the world to me, man. Because, again, like as a UFO person coming into the Bigfoot world, I'm a little intimidated. I don't want to muddy the waters, as they say, and make things harder. But you can't deny, when you have a project Blue Book file, say, monster, and that these things were sighting, you can't just brush that off. It's part of the data. It's part of the scientific method to look at everything.

before you get rid of anything. So I have to say thank you to your audience for being so accepting of these theories. That might have something to do with it, but might not. But hey, let's at least take a look at it. At least that's my opinion. Hey, man, appreciate that. Yeah, they're really great fans. And so are you somewhere in the skies listeners.

And I think our fans all have something in common, man. We just want some answers. And, you know, we're willing to think outside the box and put our money where our mouth is and try and get some of these answers. So we know what type of world we are living in, man. Because reality is so strange. There's got to be something to it, man. She's getting weirder and weirder. Well, Bryce, I've got just a couple listener questions. If you can stick around. Sure, yeah. I totally. Okay, cool. Yeah. Let's take you a couple. Sure. Awesome. Rick Roberts, thank you so much for the super chat, man. Any plans on leaving more trap cameras or live cams around?

You guys got any sort of 24-hour monitoring going on? Yeah, we've tried that. We did some of the 24-hour monitoring thing. We caught something really great in our first year that was pretty interesting. Yeah, I love camera traps. And unfortunately, man, if you go through, I mean, think about all the hunters using camera traps all over the world. They seem to, they seem to, okay, here's my theory on camera traps, right? when you're entering into a space where there might potentially be a Bigfoot, they know you're in that space before you know you're in that space. In other words, they can smell you, they hear you coming. They're watching you put up this trail camera on some tree and maybe snickering going, yeah, dude, I'm not going to, maybe I'll knock that tree down. Maybe I'll take your camera, but I'm not going to, I don't want my selfie taken today. There's not a lot of great trail camera bigfoot photos. And there should be, right?

So something's going on there. There's a couple of them. And we've even caught a couple of some pretty strange photos. But, you know, there was an interesting study done with primates and new objects placed into their environment. And they all became very aware and very suspicious of the new object. So perhaps that translates into the field. Like, you know, when something like a trail camera is being put on a tree, you know, they're going to know about it, you know.

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Bryce, what way tech experiment do you want to still try during an investigation that you have not gotten a chance to yet? Any big bucket list things you want to do? Oh, man, I have a lot of crazy ideas. Believe you, me, I do. And, you know, I was just going to say one more thing on that trail camera thing. You touched on this earlier. You know, think about how we, as humans take in our environment, our spectrum of senses. You know, we only see such a small spectrum on the audio and visual spectrum. What if these Bigfoot creatures have the ability to sort of sense electromagnetic activity coming from a device?

Perhaps they see in a spectrum that a trail camera sticks out like a sore thumb in their trees, you know? But anyway, what type of tech experiment do I want to try that I haven't gotten? to change that I want. I want to summon a big foot using some type of magical ritual. Maybe I'll get a hold of Greg and Dana Newkirk and have them help me. But I'm in, I want to try some crazy stuff. You know, detectives, when they're really stymied on a missing person's case,

there's been times where they've looked to a psychic to help them for a clue or to look in different areas. with the success that we had with the remote viewing, I wouldn't be, I wouldn't mind trying like a really talented psychic and seeing she can point us in the right direction or something like that. But yeah, I don't know. I've got a lot of,

I've got a whole notebook full of crazy ways on how to capture evidence of Bigfoot. Oh my God. I would kill to see that notebook. It reads like a comic book sometimes. Yeah. what your life is slowly becoming it's it's so cool it's too weird uh Logan Black says what's your favorite UFO hotspot in the world any area that you um you'd like to go out as a budding uphologist now you're in man you had me on the show you're you're making you're putting those questions out

there yeah where do you want to go to look for UFOs well I'd want to go to a place that would give me the best chance of seeing one and you know I had a guy named Jim Perry who runs the Euphimet podcast, a great guy. He was a guest on our podcast, and he talked about a place called C-SETI Ranch, where there seems to be a lot of UFO activity. And not only that, he had a big-footed experience there as well. So there seems to be a crossover of the two phenomenons taking place in this one little place called the C-SETI Ranch. I believe it's in Northern California, somewhere around here. But I might try there first.

Yeah. But I would go there. Either that or I would go to maybe a place like Sedona or something and go into an energy portal and see what I could see. Love it. Just see Bryce meditating. He's got the crystals on. That is Sedona to a tea or Joshua Tree. Yeah.

Insert metaphysical place here. That's for sure. Mine would be, I don't even think this person wants my opinion, but mine would be the San Luis Valley. actually. That place is crazy. Cattle mutilation, shadow figures. It's like the Skinwalker Ranch, I think, of Colorado. So that's where I would want to go. I think that's the next big place that people are sort of looking at besides Skinwalker Ranch or, you know, these other sort of what

they call window areas that we talked about on the special there where all of these weird things seem to be happening. What do you think that is, man? Skinwalker Ranch. you did mention that at the top of the show. Do you think there are actual areas where all of this stuff converges? Yeah, yeah. You know, it's such a great question. I really got interested in the Skinwalker thing when George Knapp and Comkeller, her first originally wrote their book.

But, you know, you turned me on to George's new book, Skinwalkers at the Pentagon. And there he sort of lays out this idea and concept of the hitchhiker, which is like when you go to a place like Skinwalker, be careful because you could be bringing something back home. A few of these military analysts and experts that visited the ranch early on, when they went back home, do you know what they brought back with them?

Dogmen that would come in their backyard. Dogmen. So like these wolf-type creatures would end up in their homes in their backyard. And this didn't happen once, twice, but half a dozen or so times to different people on that ranch. So when you start talking about this dog man phenomena that is relatively recent in the annals of crypto zoology, I start to wonder, what's going on here?

Why is this new? And is the Bigfoot archetype changing into more like lichen, more wolf-like? Because we're getting a lot of credible dogman reports in and around the country. And I find those very strange. especially at places like Skinwalker Ranch. Right. And lest we forget, you guys possibly found hair from some wolf-like creature

in Northern California, of all places that shouldn't be there. So, like, again, are we dealing with any enormous phenomenon? What if that's one of those hairs that like on Russell's tracker, it comes back human, but it's not really human? What if this hair comes back like Alaskan wolf, but it's not really Alaskan wolf?

Maybe it's more of a this. I don't know. I don't know. My fans would be like, no, stay on Bigfoot. Don't go to Dogman yet. Stay on Target. Let me just stay on Bigfoot right now. I love it.

I love it, man. Well, hey, I've kept you much longer than I told you. So we're going to wrap things up here, my man. But before we go, please, can you tell us a little about what comes next for you guys? And then, yeah, tell us about the podcast and everything else you got going. on. This is the time. Give us all of the Bigfoot stuff coming up. Absolutely. Well, as we revealed on the post show that, of course, Ryan was on, we follow this new lead from the DNA results from this wolf hair, and it takes us to Alaska. And we

had the most incredible journey in Alaska. I can't wait for our fans to witness and explore that with us. And you can find every episode of Expedition ever made. on the Discovery Plus app. Please do. It's the home of paranormal television. There is, I mean, Travel Channel is the home for paranormal television, and you can get that all on the Discovery Plus app. And then other than that, I do a podcast with my great buddy, Michael McMillan and Riley

Bray. It's called The Bigfoot Collectors Club. Ryan's been a part of it. Come check out his episode if you're looking for a great starter episode to check us out. We talk to amazing guests about their personal paranormal history. And then we tell a story of high strangeness. We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we take the subject of the strange very seriously. Wherever we get your podcasts.

I had the amazing opportunity to be your understudy recently because you were out hunting Bigfoot. Oh, yes. And Michael called me in, man, called me in from the bullpen. And he was like, I need to. We got to talk UFO congressional hearings. So I got to beat Bryce Johnson for an episode. It was so much fun.

Well, we think the world of you and we think the world of your audience. So thank you for all that you do, man. You're at the perfect time and the place to be delivering out that good, good UFO podcast stuff. So thank you for what you do. Thanks, man. And thank you again for coming on Somewhere in the Skies. It truly wasn't on it. Anytime, man.

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