Somewhere in the Skies - FBI UFO Unit Revealed, Recovered Alien Beings, Sandra Bullock’s UFO & AARO’s Secret Deal

Episode Date: September 9, 2026

On this episode of Somewhere in the Skies LIVE, Ryan Suzanne break down the latest UFO news, including: - Sandra Bullock Reveals Her Shocking UFO Sighting - The FBI’s Secret UAP Investigation Unit Has a Name… and a Coin - Congressional Staffer Claims U.S. Has Recovered UFO Craft & Alien Beings - AARO Eyes David Marler’s Massive Private UFO Archive in Pentagon Deal - Robert Bigelow and Brandon Fugal working together on NHI Commication - ANOMACON 2026: Full Speaker Lineup & What to Expect on September 12th! Follow Cult.Class on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cult.class/ Join us at ANOMACON on September 12th: http://www.anomacon.com Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ Send us a voicemail: https://www.speakpipe.com/SomewhereSkiesPod Substack: https://ryansprague.substack.com/ All socials and books: https://linktr.ee/somewhereskiespod Follow Suzanne on X: https://x.com/csuzannelanders Email: [e-mail] Opening song, "Walking in Like You Own the Place" by Punch Deck: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC8L5srkt4⁠ Closing song by Per Kiilstofte Livestream music by Punch Deck: https://www.youtube.com/@PunchDeck Copyright © 2026 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #UFO #UAP #Aliens #UFOs #UAPDisclosure #AlienBeings #AARO #UFONews #SkinwalkerRanch #Paranormal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm going to stop talking and begging you guys for stuff and we're going to start doing the UFO news because I am on one tonight. night. I am on one. And we're going to start tonight with our code word that you can put in your Apple podcast reviews. Sig. SIG. I don't have a graphic for it, but it's SIG. I don't know why Sig, but you'll see. You'll see in just a little bit. You'll see in just a little bit. But let's do it. Let's get to the UFO news with E1, with the only. Suzanne Landers, welcome.

Hi, how is everyone? How are you guys doing? Let her know in the chat. UFO mom is here. Do you like that? No, the UFO mom t-shirt. Should we stop saying that? I feel bad. No, no, it's so funny. Okay. As long as you embrace the moniker, I just want to make sure. I do. I do. Exactly.

Well, it looks like we might have a new UFO mom in the UFO sphere because it seems that Sandra Bullock has joined. the chat has joined the UFO world. Can you believe this? Where'd that come from? You talk about straight out of the blue, but it's a good one. That is so, so cool. Yeah, apparently she had, and just forgive me, I'm getting rid of our names on screen because they're at the bottom. There we go. She had a UFO sighting. And she came forward with it. Should we give that clip a watch again? Let's play it. Okay. Let's do it, guys. Here's Sandra Bullock talking about her U.S. UFO sighting. This is crazy. There with me will I find this here? Click around. There it is. Here we go. Okay. Look, and I'm not going to lie. There are alien ships flying around the sky.

I've seen them, and I'm so happy that the government has finally corroborated my story, so I no longer feel like an insane person. How many times have you seen that? Just once. Just one time. Okay. Well, one time. We're filming in St. Martin, and we went out. A bunch of us went out, so there are a couple beers involved. We're all lying on the sand. And so we're all looking up the sky and I see this little point of light and I said oh it's thinking to myself satellite you know it's just moving across the sky and I'm watching it and then there's another little light that comes from a different direction to meet that light sort of there and I went do satellites I thought maybe was a plane passing but no they stayed and then there was another light and another light there was five

all together and they all sort of came together and I went because you know you just have a little bit of a buzz going and you're just you're trying to you know and then all of a sudden they just took off like that and so you you look around going to anybody else see that I think one of the other people had seen it as well. And then I was just quiet about it until the government released the documents. And that exact formation was also seen by legitimate pilots. So I feel, I feel vindicated. Okay. You know, I'm glad that it wasn't a resort drone show. Yeah, it was actually, resort, but this was before drones were around. I do firmly believe there's life. Oh God. We can't be the only ones. I think they're here. We can't be. I mean, I would love it.

I think they're here watching and laughing, but they're invisible. Emphasis on the laughing. Okay, first of all, stop using the X-Files music. I get it. I get it. But come on, guys. But what do you think? What do you think, first and foremost, of her citing itself, the way she described it? It sounds like a legit siding to me. And I'd love for her as a human that she got some validation around it. And you and I were talking during the Reddit stories earlier in the week about the value of the U.S. government doing what it's doing in the document release on this topic. We may not be getting absolutely everything, complete clarity, where are the beings, where are the craft. I get all those questions, but we can't lose sight of the fact that there is value just in the release, just in a

major earthly government doing what it's doing, and you're watching that right now with Sandra. Right. Right. The fact that like she's talking about the congressional hearings, the releases of the files, the government acknowledging that UFOs are real. Like, you're right. That speaks volumes. And it's going to empower more people to come forward. And, you know, I do think we often hold celebrities to too much, like, you know, stature. We take their word on things a little too much when maybe we should be like, just, just do your job.

Do your job. But a part of their job as a quote, unquote, celebrity is influence. And this will influence. more people to come forward and more celebrities to talk about it and stuff. So yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool. I love, and she seems really comfortable talking about it, which I think is also a good thing. Not everyone would be, you know, there are people out there who see something they know they can't explain and say nothing.

Yeah, exactly. What do you, what do you think about that last thing she said when she said, they're real, but they're invisible? I don't know. now we get into the consciousness question right i think there's something going on related to when they choose to let some of us see them and when they choose not to so maybe in a sense she's right but i think it's more complex and they are just a different being structure that we cannot visually see you know yeah yeah yeah yeah i think you're right and consciousness is a good word

We're going to talk about that a little bit more later in the show because... Do you remember early on in this? We were like, I don't want to talk about consciousness. What is this consciousness thing? I think it's consciousness, consciousness. Yeah, and now it's all about it. Almost every episode, well, we need to think about it from this perspective. We've come a long way.

And it seems that a certain ranch in Utah is going to be diving a little bit further into that stuff. Again, we will get to that because I'm finding this series between these two. two owners of Skinwalker Ranch, previous and current, extremely fascinating. But we'll break that down later. Yeah, yeah. Cool, cool, cool. Let's move to, I guess, our first main story here. And this broke this past week through the Liberation Times.

Christopher Sharp over at Liberation Times, wrote a good write-up about this. And it came to us from a podcast that I want to get the next. name right here. It's Andrew Gold, hosted by Andrew Gold, and it's called The Heretics Podcast. And this is the story. Investigative journalist Tom O'Neill is making pretty bold claims about what Congress may be hearing behind closed doors on UAP. And he goes on to talk about, and this is just weeks after this man, Tom O'Neill, he testified before Congress. about the CIA's MK Ultra program,

which I got to watch a little bit of that, but not the whole thing. But he actually dives into UAP during this section of the conversation on this podcast about something he heard from a congressional staffer, which is really interesting. So what do you say? Should we watch the clip?

Let's watch it. Okay, cool. Give me a sec. Let me find it. Here we... Go? Yes, here we go. Okay, ready.

Tell this, but whatever. On the way to the meeting, the staffer for the congressperson said, you're coming from the disclosure conference, right? I said, yeah, how'd you know? He goes, well, we all work together. We know everything that's going on because, you know, they had all been colleagues at one point because a lot of them are former congressional staffers or members. And I go, yeah, yeah.

I go, what did you think of it? I don't know. It's over in my head. He goes, well, what do you think about UFOs? And I said, honestly, I'm agnostic on UFOs. And he goes, oh, well, if you knew what we knew, I'm like, we what? He goes, you know, I'm the head of staff or a congressperson, so-and-so. I'm like, yeah, he goes, and we go into skiffs.

And I don't know if you, a skiff is a place where elected officials like senators and congresspeople are showed classified material. I go in, so I think he's on his third congressperson. So that's his job. It's like he runs the staffs for the congresspeople. He goes, so I go into the skiffs with them and I have to sign these confidential and I shouldn't be telling you this and I'm not going to give you specifics, but I go in and I see what they see and it's terrifying and you wouldn't be agnostic.

Oh, that can't be true. Is it true? I want to believe. And I said, all right, well, they keep releasing, you know, supposedly new photos, new videos. Why are they still kind of blurry and, you know, and he said to me the reason it's, he didn't use the word limited hangout because we have to release something because Trump has, that says edict. We have to do a disclosure, but we can't release everything. because we have recovered crafts and recovered beings. And if we release, for instance, what we know about those videos about velocity

and how they are able to vanish and move and go on and all that, we're developing that technology for our defense program, our warfare, and we can't release all that because then the enemy has it and they're going to develop the same technology. That's why everything is limited.

A lot of the people who believe this stuff believe that we have recovery and they're hidden somewhere, and then they're reassembled, and we're trying to figure out how they work. He said, we figured out how they do what they do that normal man-made crafts can't do, and we're developing that weaponry. The other interesting thing, he said during the meeting,

was at that point, then there's three more people like him for the different three other congressman. And he said, remember what I told you about the skiffs? And he goes, well, it's like I told you, we have nightmares from what we learn in skiffs. And he goes, in fact, I was the one, really saying who he was. He goes, I was the one who got them to pass, not pass a bill, but pass some kind, make a rule that each of our staff, people who are staff to us,

anyone that has to go into skiffs who is not elected, has to get psychiatric care, because you need to learn how to live with these secrets and they haunt you. So there were four people with him at the hearing sitting across, I mean at the prep meeting. And I said, so all you guys are in free therapy? And they all said, yep. And then one woman said, I'm not. I go, oh, why not? Because you're fine. She goes, no, no, because I just started here and I'm an intern. Do I get free therapy? You know, she didn't even know about it.

Okay. I mean, fun little anecdote to end down there, but a lot to break down to. Who is this staffer working for? Who do you think? Do you have any thoughts? I have zero clue, but it gives me the lawyer in me terrible anxiety

because he's violating non-disclosure agreements, and I have no doubt he's also violating classification rules. Yeah. Somebody took a big risk to say this, and whether it is true or whether it's disinformation, they took a risk. Yeah, it's, and you know what? I don't know if Garrett was serious or not. He sounds like a plant.

He sounds like a plant for information release. I actually like could believe that. I could. This seems like so irresponsible of a staff. At first I'm like, okay, who is a staff staffer of congressional members right now who would have some information about recovered craft, recovered bodies? And obviously my mind kept going to. David Grush. Mr. Grush.

It's hard not to go there, isn't it? Right. But I've also. heard rumblings that that's not who it is. Apparently this, this Congress member is not Eric Burlinson. But I don't know. I don't know because that is who Grush is directly working with right now. If anyone in the chat didn't or watching this didn't know that. David Grush is currently working on the congressional staff, I guess, with Eric Berlinson. So, but yeah, yeah, this seems like. Cheddar around Grush.

You know, apparently he's in private discussions with the White House, and the White House is actively considering a full waiver for him to be able to talk about what he knows. And it's coming down that pike in the sense of one whistleblower at a time, that they're not going to go ahead and just do this blanket forgiveness or indemnification or whatever you call it, immunity. but, you know, whistleblower by whistleblower, they're trying to figure out, is this a thing of value to share and what's the risk around it?

And he's at the top of that list. Yeah, yeah, he's going to be kind of the guinea pig, as it were. I mean, the dude's already taking slings and arrows for coming forward with what he has so far. So, I mean, that's interesting. We will dig a little bit deeper into that because our next story actually covers this new stuff coming forward through Matt Laslo over at Askepole with Anna Paulina Luna.

He is, yeah, he is having a hell of a week over there for sure. Yeah, for those who aren't subscribed or registered, go to Ask a Pole, follow him on social media, go to Ask a Pole, just Google the website. You'll find it. He's the one who goes around Washington and gets these interviews, you know, I'll bait briefly with Congress members about what's going on with the UAP disclosure. stuff and and my God does he pound the pavement. So we have him to thank for a lot of this. Thank you so much, Vickroy, for these super chat. And we also have one, Ryan, from the biologist. Oh, thank you, my friend. Thank you, guys. We got two out of five tonight. Do appreciate that. Your super chat to super stickers will go to help fund at Namakon. So thank you so, so much. And Amnesty International.

I should mention that as well. What Grush is leading by example, he said so much that whistleblower should no, they are safe because retaliation is now confirmation, Garrett says. There you go. There you go. Plot twist. It's Richard Doty who said that, Jay Allen. And look at Dalyin behind him, Jay Allen. Richard, bloody Doty.

And then Donnie Fawall says, daggummit. Yeah, could it be? Could it be what's that guy's name? I forget already. Oh, Bichette. Burchett, he's kind of faded into the background lately. He has. He's been quiet.

Yeah. Maybe for the better. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? But yeah, let's move to Matt Laslo and Askapole because he broke a pretty big thing this week. Now, there have been rumblings that the FBI is now involved

or have been involved for a while now when it comes to UAP investigations by themselves, outside of the purview of Arrow and all that stuff. And this is pretty interesting. So we have the FBI UAP investigation unit has a name and a coin, Suzanne. They have a coin. So. We're currently spending our administrative money on. Right.

Yeah. Really. Really. You would think there'd be more important things. I'd rather have health care, but okay. All right. Some commemorative coins would be interesting to you, I guess. Let's watch this clip of Matt Laslow interviewing Anna Paulina

because we're going to find out what the name of this FBI group is. You can see it on your screen if you're watching this on YouTube, but you're going to hear it if you're just listening on the podcast. I'll be in just a second here. And yeah, we'll learn a little bit more about the FBI effort. And like you said, this thing with Grush as well. So let me find this clip from Matt Laslow, over at Ascapul.

Here we go. Okay. About Grush, maybe having his NDA weighed? Well, the White House can give that if they come in, and I think he's already talking with them directly. And so we want anyone who has information to be able to share that without facing retribution. And right now it has to be case by pace.

Yes, it's not a blanket wave because then people can just make stuff up, right? But yeah, he's definitely one of the ones that we're considering. And he's also directly talking out with the witness. Oh, interesting. Is that about where to look? Say again? Is that like him telling the White House where to look? Well, there's a division that's headed up by Stephen Miller that works with us and

Pentagon and Arrow. Yeah. So we're all working together. What's that division called? Well, it's, I guess, your informal UAP task force that's within the White House. So it doesn't really have that name per se, but I will show you the coin. Hold on. You've had a coin?

No, I have, you're actually going to be one of the first journalists to see it. I showed it to vice earlier. How is he always in the right place of the right time? Determination. Special investigations group. That's the division at the FBI that does. How much have you guys been talking with them? We worked directly with them for our investigations.

So we've had several briefings. We're over there, you know, open lines of communication. It's extensive. When does the public get let in? The rollouts have been largely because of those meetings. Oh, yeah? But specifically for the other stuff, that's going to be something that's more or less framed around.

I'm going to go ahead of this one. Framed around if we can locate said materials, et cetera. I mean, this is, people are saying that they know. so we're going to, you know, we're falling up on it. And is the FBI kind of talking to the Pelican? We're all working together. We're all working together. Interesting.

Yeah. Do you think we'll have another hearing after the election or start of next year? Well, the task force is not permanent, but it does help having people at the White House that are actually assisting. There's also potentially a joint effort that's going to take place specifically on investigating this stuff between two countries, but that's going to be further. discuss later on the down the line. Interesting. So, thank you. Interesting.

He's right. I love that they trust him enough just to, because it happens routinely where he just settles up next to somebody and starts asking questions and they answer just like. Oh, yeah. Well, I think what he's done is he's really set himself to be the UAP guy when it comes to these congressional members. They know they can trust him. They know he's going to have good questions, not your typical, like, oh, UFO's real?

Like, we're far past that. And, you know, say what you will about these Congress members and their policies, their beliefs, and all that. But, like, these are the people right now in Congress challenging the norm when it comes to this topic. There's nothing we can do about that or change that. And we're just going to cover what we can on our shows. when new information comes out. And now we know that this quote unquote unofficial or I guess kind of across the board UFO investigation, almost like a task force within the FBI is called the special investigations group.

That's right. I don't know. I don't know. Well, we'll see what comes of it, if anything. Part of me hates that there's yet another pocket for things to fall into. But we can't just keep it all at the forefront where it's visible. and there is accountability. But, you know, I don't know what to make of it.

We certainly don't, no one asked us what we thought. So here we are. Exactly. And will this be another situation where, you know, now we know the name or whatever of this thing, but will any of the information they uncover ever be made public, especially if they're working with Arrow, especially if they're working with the Pentagon, especially if they're working with another country, as Anna Paulina pointed out at the end there.

Who is that other country? Why couldn't you just tell us? Like, why do you have to be so effing vague and ambiguous about this stuff? It is frustrating. But, you know, hopefully Matt will get some more clarification as time goes on. You know, the midterms in the United States are something like 55, 60 days away. Like, will anything happen before that? Will the pressure mount on Trump as we get closer to the midterbs to disclose more?

Allegedly, supposedly we're getting another trench. release in the next week or so, maybe this upcoming Friday. Yeah. So we'll see what happens with that as well. But. I thought that was interesting. You know, you can never have enough thinkers on a problem. Someone sat down and did a calendar of when these things were coming out and they're coming out every 38 days. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And so that's why they are estimating that we might get one Friday. That's the 38th day from the last one. Huh. All right. Let's see. Maybe there is an actual structure, a pattern to watch. We'll see.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Some sort of strategy of some sort. Yep. Yep. Roger Chapy said Luna wants answers because she's also an experiencer. Is that true? Have you ever heard that she's an experienced her? I haven't, but I just added it to my research list. Get digging. Yeah, Robert, if you have any more insights on that, let us know. And it's true me in Discord, yeah. Yeah. I guess I'm morbidly. curious about that. We'll see. We'll see.

It would explain, right. It would explain the maniacal focus on the topic. Right. Maniacal. Good word. Very good word. Well, you know, we talked about the grush thing a little bit.

So, like, we can move on from that. But she didn't mention in that clip. She said, I just spoke to vice about this. And this is kind of where this breaking story comes in. that our good friend Pavel Ibarra over at Psychoactiveo podcast, he got a scoop on what he believes could be an upcoming documentary series

that Vice is going to be doing about UFOs that could rival something like the age of disclosure, that big documentary that came out last year. You know, we've got the Jay Stratton book coming out soon as well. So could this be kind of in Nintendo? with that, but I do want to play a brief clip that I just pulled from Psychoactivo about Pavel talking about how he kind of came to unravel this, if you don't mind me throwing that up here. Let's go.

Let's do it. All right. Here is our good friend Pavel over at Psychoactiveo with this basically breaking news. I do want to talk to you guys about something that happened this week. I don't know if you guys remember, but Anna Polina Luna, when she showed. that coin to Matt Laslow, she told him that she showed it to Vice. Well, it's, I guess your informal UAP task force that's within the White House, so it doesn't really have a name per se, but I will show you the coin. Hold on.

You got a coin? No, I have, you're actually going to be one of the first journalists to see it. I showed it to Vice earlier. It's called SIG. As in Shane Smith from Vice Media. So in that interview, you with Matt Laslow that I did a date after that, Laszlo himself told me that he used to work for Shane and that he saw Shane with Eric Burleson. So I started asking around what's this about? Why is Vice talking to Luna Berluson? So what I found out is that Vice is putting out a five or six part docu series about what's going on right now that is going to involve Luna

Berluson, and pretty much every whistleblower that I cover on this channel, some of them might not be part of it, but a lot of them are. And currently they're in production right now. I don't know the estimated time of arrival for any of this. Usually, from what I've seen, and this is something that Laszlo also mentioned, advice. They do have like a one-month turnaround for whatever. they do. So I'm thinking that if, and this is just me speculating a little bit, I'm thinking that if Shane Smith wants to put out this, he would want to do it before the midterms

because everybody's racing towards putting everything out just before the midterms in case anything too catastrophic happens to the people who are working on this. So that is the scoop that I have. Vice is putting out a docuseries that seems to be very serious, age of disclosure levels, serious about this topic. And I don't think there's a personal opinion. I don't think that it will come out after the midterms. I think that it will come out before the midterms. So you can expect that from Vice. And a lot of familiar faces are going to show up in that one.

So I'm excited for that. There you go. So, hey, I love Vice. Like I have followed advice for a long time I've been featured on their site really early on in my UFO days and I love their series

Dark Side, like Dark Side of the Ring, Dark Side of Music so yeah, yeah I'm excited for whatever they do and honestly I feel like no matter what they do it will be better than age of disclosure because that thing was a hunk of junk in my opinion. I

absolutely hated that documentary. It was so unbelievably boring and pandering and propaganda. I just like, I want to puk

just thinking about it. It's so funny, Ryan. Oh, my gosh. I will get some hate for that. I've been blacklisted. Jay Stratton probably will never come on my show now. But yeah, I really disliked the age of

disclosure documentary. We can tell. So vice, go get him. Andrew Bringer says right. How can you say something so bold yet so true? Just speaking my truth, buddy. I'm on Twitter, Andrew. But you know what?

At the same time, I will remain, you know, level-headed, Suzanne. A lot of people saw that documentary, and a lot of people probably liked it. And a lot of people probably were like, whoa. Like, there's something to do this. So again, I can't fault them for that. I personally. And we have to remember our perspective is quite different from a normal human. That's a good point.

It's like disclosure day. You know, I didn't personally care for the movie. A lot of people liked it. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. Is what it is. Yeah, is what it is. Let's move to probably our most, I guess,

contentious story of the night, which, you know, when you have David Marler involved in a contentious story, you know something's up because this man is like, you guys, because he is so calm and so bright and so well-spoken and so organized. So when you're watching what we're about to tell you happen on social media, something's going on. Something's going on. Shout out David Marler. We love you, buddy. We're sorry you're caught up in this right now. But yeah, David Marler, the head of the National UFO Historical Research Center, is possibly inking a deal with Arrow. This took UFO Twitter by storm. A lot of people were not happy. A lot of people were like, oh, cool. Like, people were very divided on this.

They were all over it, weren't they? All over it. I didn't know what to think at first, but the more I'm learning about what this is, what it could be how David Marler has responded to this, the more I'm like, hmm, okay, okay. So let's kind of break this down. I'm going to read a little bit here. Perfect. And then we will read David Marler's response to this as well. But the Pentagon's Arrow office is moving toward a sole source contract with the National UFO Historical Research Center.

a New Mexico nonprofit reportedly holding the world's largest private collection of historical UAP records. The subscription would give Arrow digital access to thousands and thousands of case files, documents, photographs, recordings, and other materials, particularly pre-1990 records that may be missing from the government archives. The effort supports Arrow's congressional mandate to reconstruct. the U.S. government's history of UAP involvement dating back to 1945. Now, we know the second part of the historical record that era was supposed to come out with.

They're almost a year and a half late on that coming up. So they are clearly desperate. And in an attempt to resolve that, they have reached out to David Marlars. So founded by UFO historian, David Marlour, the Reporting Center houses more than 75 years. of material, including rare files connected to Project Blue Book, advisor J. Ellen Heinek, and some of the earliest civilian UFO research organizations. The Pentagon says no other organization offers the same combination of historical depth and unique records. The proposed agreement could give Arrow up to five years of access to privately preserved UFO history, potentially filling significant gaps in

Arrow's official record. So again you know a lot of us in the UFO field are not too keen on Arrow and how they've approached this topic especially the first head

of Arrow Sean Kirkpatrick. Some people have changed what was that? What were you singing? Na na na na no no no no I love it. I love it. So yeah, I think that's why this rubbed people the wrong way when they first heard that David Marler might be working with Arrow.

But there's more to this. And I guess I want to get your thoughts. What do you know about this story? I know you have gone to the Historical Records Center. You have had private meetings with David Marler as well. Like, break this down for me and those who might be a little. a little hesitant about this possible work together. And I really don't have any specifics, of course.

This is not something that David would be talking about in polite society until things are moving along in a more concrete way. But here's what I want everyone to do. Take a breath. Marler is a bright, bright, bright guy. He knows the risks. There's no way he cannot know the risk about handing things over to an organization like Arrow, which would then likely force those.

documents to be swooped up, is it NARA, the National Archive, whatever that acronym is for those people. I cannot imagine David Marler working a deal where that would happen. So in my mind, and it's just me speculating, I think that he's probably looking at something along the lines of a research contract where he may not actually hand over documents. I just, I just don't see him, you know, giving the government after what he's gone through to collect these things and study them and learn them and protect them and now archive them and scan them and make them digitally available. I can't imagine him just handing it over with any risk at all of them vanishing from him. So I suspect that he's thinking along the lines of researching for them their questions

and giving photo copies or digital copies or whatever, but hanging on to his bank of documents because that thing's only getting bigger. That whole center is only getting bigger. I know they are in talks to actually expand their physical premises. Okay. They are literally, you may remember some of the photos we looked at, from Florida ceiling, boxes, magazines,

oh, yeah. Drawers and drawers of video, audio, microtape, VHS, you name it. it. It's all there. So let's hang on a minute and let's give this bright man the benefit of the doubt to see how he's working this puzzle. And it could end up being a good thing. Yeah. And well, he has responded because, you know, people were immediate to kind of attack this story and, and he had a response. He said on the attack that I actually just stepped back and I started to reach out to him and I stopped. He's got his hands full. Let's give him a minute to breathe. And, manage this. Right. You know, and he's basically a one-man show. I know he has a staff there.

Even, you know, Cheryl Costa, the preeminent kind of data, UFO data researcher. She and her wife actually moved to Albuquerque to help run the library slash archivist. Absolutely. Part of all this. So that's awesome. So he does have a dedicated staff there, as well. However, like, the amount of work and stuff they have is to preserve and archive and digitize is immense. But there's a lot to this. Let's read David Marler's response. I think that is important. No, I'm going to read this verbatim. You're seeing it on your screen here, guys. So David Marler had this to say. This story hit today referencing the National UFO Historical Records Center. So he responded when

this story first brook. He says, quote, the reporter requested comments for the story, and I declined as we have not yet received a contract. I can't comment on something I have yet to receive, review, and possibly execute. Rest assured, if this moves forward, a press release will be issued explaining the details. Of course, the conspiracy theorists and trolls are probably fabricating their own interpretations. Please ignore them and their comments. They are are based on sheer speculation. So, there you go. Yeah.

I want to, uh, the article he's referring to came out in defense scoop where, um, the author, you know, basically, uh, was wrong on some of this stuff. Like basically said this is already, you know, the contracts have been signed. This is happening. They're, um, buying the information from David Marler. So then everyone immediately was like, oh, he's selling it. Like he's making money off. Like, like, and he's, like, and he's, um, and he's, um, he's.

actually responded to that too. He said, did he? What did he did? He said, look, we need funding for the historical record center. He said, if someone's going to offer us some sort of deal that, you know, there's a monetary value, I'm going

to consider it. However, I'm going to be very careful before I sign anything. Rest assured. So again, exactly as you said, I don't think anyone could put it better. Let's breathe and let this play out. Absolutely. I'm going to sneeze. I'm so sorry. Maybe not. Well, I love something about the way he said, I can't comment because I haven't seen a contract. And maybe it's just because I'm a lawyer. I don't know. I never know how to evaluate my own thought on this. But he's bright enough to know how to get a lawyer, right? Or a team of lawyers or whatever is needed for this task. So that makes me think somebody's waiting in the wings or some bodies are waiting in the wings to really review and think this through with him. So let's

give him the benefit of the doubt. Let's let him get his breath. Let him get whatever this contract is and get it analyzed. And then we'll hear what he has to say. Yeah. If only he knew like a group of lawyers who had to do with a UFO top. I can't think of anyone offhand. No one's coming to mind. No, it's not me. I promise. I promise. Donnie Fault says copy everything. Yes. I think it's important. Like he's not just taking everything and giving it to them. I can't imagine. Yeah.

And if anything, he'll be giving them copies, not the original. And then, and then if he needs the money to be sure we can digitize all this, I just don't see him letting it go. He might let copies go. But, you know, so the theories, the conspiracy theories don't add up to me. But gosh, I've been wrong 152 times before. We'll see. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day,

for me. I don't see this as like arrow coming in to gobble up all the UFO records and data and like disappear it. They can't. Like you cannot disappear things that have been these things most of it has been publicly available in some way, shape, or form. David Marler has just compiled it all and put it in one place. But you know, like there, it's like a dead man switch. You don't think this guy's going to make sure he keeps everything that he has poured his heart. sole money resources time into, yeah. I think this is Arrow. I think this shows the incompetency of Arrow and they're just trying to play catch up. And they're like, wait, they have everything that the public and that Congress has mandated us to release to the public. Like, why wouldn't

we, you know, do that? So, you know, you have to think, you know, we showed photos of all the Mufon files and the Project Blue Book files that Mr. Marler has. And there are tons of them. I wonder if the government just doesn't have them. Yeah, yeah. You know, if Marler's got them where, and he has the originals, I can tell you, they're the originals. Wonder what the government has or doesn't have.

So it could be that they're trying to do exactly what you're talking about. Fill in the blanks because they really screwed it up in terms of record keeping. Absolutely. But again, theory. Theory only. Just a theory. Well, you mentioned Mufon Files. That reminds me of a man named Big Bobby Bigelow.

And that's going to lead to our main event for the night, our final big story. This month, isn't he? My gosh, you know, and I am very critical of that man, but I am loving the Bigelow podcast. I really am. So we're going to cover it tonight with you guys. This is our main story for tonight. We're going to break down several clips from this. you wait, oh, I'm hiccuping.

I'm getting excited. You're sneezing. I don't hesitate over the marlour thing. I'm not coughing, though. That's a good sign. For a step ahead. But we're going to break down the latest episode, episode five, the Bigelow podcast with you guys, where past owner, Robert Bigelow, current owner, Brandon Fugel of Skinwalker Ranch,

have come together to have a conversation. And it's been extremely interesting. And the first episode with the two of them, talking together was last week. We did cover that. So check out the live stream from last week if you want to hear our coverage of that. But they kind of expanded on a lot of stuff in this recent one, Suzanne. And I wanted to break down five clips that I found most fascinating and get your thoughts on these, if that's okay with you.

Bigelow talked about some of the ways in which he believes non-human phenomena can be communicated with through. consciousness rather than like just technology and stuff. And this is where things got pretty interesting. So let me go ahead and play this first clip. And I want to get your thoughts on this. So we'll start with clip one. Here we go. Already.

I haven't approached our investigation and the phenomena at the ranch with a priority on communication. We've been using the scientific. method and various experiments to document the phenomena, but we have, we have, we have not approached it in the way that you're advising. And I think as we enter this historic time, 30 years of investigation at Skinwalker Ranch cumulatively, and over 10 years now, under my stewardship, based on our dialogue last night and here, sitting together, they're listening to you, I feel a new imperative to shift the nature of the investigation,

to focus more on consciousness and communicating communication, communicating with whatever intelligence exists or is coming back and forth. using the ranch as a way station, if you will. We simply have not set up the scientific protocols to conduct that on a repeated, reliable basis. And I would honestly welcome your guidance and advice on how we could most effectively structure a new chapter of activity.

that would focus on communication and understanding the origin and the agenda associated with the phenomenon at Skinwalker Ranch. That's one thing that has driven me since my experience was the desire to understand the origin and the agenda associated with what we are interacting with, with what we are observing, what you're prescribing is a, it is a, we're talking, 180 degree shift. Yeah, Brandon. Hey, let's do it.

I welcome your guidance. Let's do it. I appreciate the spirit and also the intelligence behind what you're advising. And I take your challenge. Thank you. Let's do it. You predicted that one, Mr. Sprague. I told you.

He's two. I don't remember if you did it on line or just to me, but Ryan predicted this. I knew it. I knew it. Like, why else would they bring these two together? I mean, you have two moguls who have both previously and currently own a ranch that they have invested so much time, effort, and money into it only makes sense that eventually they would work together. Now, I have several theories on how that might be, which I talk to you offline. about, but I do think that what we're going to see is, you know, Bigelow has this institute,

the Institute of Consciousness Studies. And that seems to be where this is heading. And it seems that Brandon Fugel is like, okay, like we, these phenomena are transient. They are non-repeatable. So it's extremely hard for us to technologically and scientifically repeat them and come to any solid conclusions on what is happening at the ranch. The first time I heard this, Ryan, the first thing I thought was, how would you even set up the study parameters? How do you make this a scientifically valid procedure when repetition is almost non-existent except for a rare few?

And some of them, I'm not sure that's actually what's happening. But, you know, how do you even, who are the experts for how you even set this up? So it'll be interesting to me to see the process that they take to try to do what they're talking about doing. I hope they can. I'd love to understand better. Yeah. Yeah. How will it happen, though?

Like you said, I'm very curious. You know, we know there will be another season of the Skinwalker Ranch television show. I think I predicted that Robert Bigelow will feature in the next season. I obviously don't know that for a fact. But it would make sense. They've had everyone in their mother on the show. show at this point. Why not? Robert Bigelow. So, you know, how they will approach this consciousness aspect will be very interesting. But yeah, I think that Google will use the resources of the

Bigelow Institute of Consciousness Studies. And in return, you know, Bigelow will use Fugel's television show to get that information out, whatever they do discover. What did Kate say there? I miss that. says, in my opinion is give the ranch back to the two Indian tribes that own its originally native land. And somehow she thinks that's where the spirits came through and that they're bad and that needs to be closed again. I understand that, Kate, and she is right.

There were two feuding tribes that originally, you know, were on that land. And one of the tribes cursed the other. And that was the curse of the Skinwalker. That's where this entire mythology sort of was birthed. So I completely understand that. You know, from day one, I've kind of been like, nobody should be, you know, on that land and digging and in desecrating sacred land, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, there's nothing we can do at this point.

So, you know, the other big thing is like the poking and prodding, poking the bear aspect to a lot of this, too, which we will touch on in just a few minutes here. So yeah, totally, I get it, Kate. I totally understand that. I do too. Yeah, but you know what? We really don't know. You know, we don't know what we're dealing with.

And so how we're dealing with it is risky business. Yep. These guys don't know. These guys don't know. They don't know. They don't know. Yeah. And, you know, like a lot of bad stuff has been going on there.

But I think a different approach, perhaps consciously, consciously, I should say. could work. And they're going to touch on something else in one of the last clips that might be a little controversial, but also an interesting approach to you. We'll get there. We'll get there. But I want to rewind a little bit because I think

George Knapp asks some very important questions in these next two clips, primarily about evidence. A lot of people, and I do not blame them, are like, where's the evidence? Like, where is the evidence of this stuff? It's stories.

It's nothing but stories. To that, Brandon Fugel would obviously argue, watch the show. Like, watch the show. All there to see. So let's talk about that. First from, I think, yeah, Fugel responds first to the idea of evidence and whatnot. So let's watch this clip.

And these ones get a little shorter clip by clip, guys, I promise. Here we go. Back to the ranch. Before you go touchy-feely on us here, Brandon and and give up all the equipment and kick the TV cameras out. Let's talk about proof. Always ask George to kick the, that's the way you can down the street. Yeah, that's a way to articulate.

The idea of proof, this is, you hear it from your viewers, you've heard it for 30 years. There's no proof of anything that's going on at the ranch. I mean, there are physical things, physical manifestations that have, this is physical. The people who say that, that there's no proof have not done their due diligence, and they're not watching. They're not watching the fact that we have third-party credentialed experts that are taking data from a multitude of scientific platforms and devices. And you can't ignore that. And these people are putting not only themselves in peril physically because of the potential

danger at the ranch, but they're putting their professional reputations at risk. They gain nothing by coming out to the ranch and having their equipment malfunction and really sitting there scratching their heads. Most of them come to the ranch with a focus on getting results and frankly debunking it. in most cases and showing that there's a natural explanation that their scientific approach reveals through that experiment and and to a man and woman

we've seen everyone leave the ranch scratching their heads extremely discouraged and it's it's just not it's not one type of experiment or scientific platform it's across the board so to those who say that there's no data there's no evidence they haven't been paying attention the last seven years they must be sleepwalking through life. What they're, what they're frustrating with is a lot of people are saying, well, give us the data.

Well, how do you package countless terabytes of data that the masses really don't know how to process, don't know how to really examine and interpret because they're not subject matter experts. I think the cry for data in a lot of cases is, is not sincere. And at the end of the day, we're still gathering that data. You don't go publish papers in peer-reviewed journals until you have a data set and a complete set of findings that you're ready to actually, I think, put through that process. And it isn't, just because we haven't published in a scientific journal doesn't mean that we are without the abundance of data to support that. I just, right now, I'm not about publishing papers. I'm focused on frontier science discovery and understanding the nature of what we're dealing with at Skinwalker Ranch.

All of the everything else will play out. So there you go. I mean, he makes some good points there. Obviously, we would like more data and everything. But yeah, yeah, how do you kind of process all that together? Exactly. It's a lot. I put it up for the average man.

You could send me the terabyte to data. I would be clueless. I'm not. Exactly. And I don't live in a cave. So think about the level of sophistication that an individual would have to have in order to process what they're processing. So, you know, it's tough. Yeah, yeah.

Tanya brought up a good point, too. She said, you know, the former security officer that worked at Skinwalker Ranch during the Bass days was Christopher Bartel. He has been on the podcast in the past. one of our highest downloaded episodes ever in 10 years at the Summer in the Sky's podcast. If you haven't heard the interview guys, go back, listen to Chris Bartel. He worked at Area 51 and Skinwalker Ranch.

So good Lord, did that guy have stories to tell. She said he always speaks of approaching the issues on Skinwalker Ranch through a consciousness perspective. And she's right. I actually talked to Chris yesterday, of all things. And he will be, well, we've been discussing a lot of these interviews. actually, this kind of different approach

that is happening right now. And he said, you know what? I'm away this week, but next week, let's hop on and we'll do an episode. So I will have Chris Bartel back on for a brand new episode of Summer in the Skies in the very near future.

So stay tuned for that. The Spirit has raised her hand. I say we take up a collection and put her on a plane. Fly me out there. Yeah, Jamie's a medium. She's going to go figure out what's happening out there but jamie i'm scared for you to be there i you know there's yeah scary stop that goes on well like we talked about you know last week maybe it's the intention and what you bring to the ranch which we will touch on a little bit here in a minute but um so kind

of the same question to robert biglow in terms of evidence and all that so that's our next clip should we watch that one yeah let's go for it okay cool we find that here we go for physical proof and linking it to particular events. It's a goal for both of you and it has been for a long time. So many things happened, Robert, during the ranching family's tenure there before you bought it. And during the nids years, you know, the rancher sees a fly and saucer, an unknown object that cuts the trees, tops of the trees off in the third homestead. Well, you can see there's physical evidence that something cut those trees off, but you can't prove it's a flying saucer. There's cattle that walk out into the snow and then they're gone.

There are calves and cows that appear to be dropped from the sky, broken legs. There's physical proof. There's, you know, mutilations done with heavy hacking instruments and scalples and dogs that are incinerated. Giant scoop marks in the third homestead, you know, hundreds of pounds of soil taking up like a giant cookie cutter. It's physical evidence of something. But how do you prove that it's, you know, related to... So, George, the phenomena is also determined not to be caught. Yeah.

On camera or anything. It doesn't, it's not, it does the demonstrations and the exhibitions, but it doesn't want to be, have confirmation on camera and, and, and, and usually that's very rare. And I'll put it that way. If it happens, it's accidental. It's not, it's not a deliberate kind of thing. It will do it for, for people. But in front of cameras, it's, it's, it's, let's just say it's really, really shy. Well, and that's one thing that we've found that has produced results is, using differential flare, thermographic imaging, and some of the high-speed camera technology that is available to us today in service to documenting the phenomena in action. And one of the things that we've seen most recently

that we've revealed to the public is the presence of objects following the helicopter, while the helicopter is in the process of conducting survey work with an experiment above the property, and it's not just the helicopter in that space, it's drones that are documenting it and recording those movements to be able to see captured on the FLIR cameras and an object that is putting off a signature,

a different signature than all of the others that is just as real, but not seen to the naked eye. And that's one thing that's really interesting is whatever we're dealing with there is cloaked, has the ability in most cases, with a few exceptions, to cloak its identity. and to not be visible to the naked eye, but on equipment and on the right cameras,

it is shocking to see these things show up, and it's undeniable. If it doesn't want you to see it, you're not going to see it. It's one of the reasons Nid sort of went away because at the end of the 90s, there was so little activity, you guys didn't have anything to study.

It got tired of, the Skinwalker got tired of being hunted. I like that. Last quote there. That does make the point we were making earlier, It has a role in deciding who's seeing, who's not saying, what's being picked up. Even on some of the clips that you can watch that are photography or videography from Skinwalker Ranch, you can watch things like four drones being literally swatted out of the sky by some invisible

something with only a tiny orb off a little bit in the distance. Really interesting stuff. Weird. Yeah, you know, it does remind me of kind of the UFO phenomenon overall. We seem to be on its timetable, on its schedule, its tricksterish nature. Like everyone's like, when will UFO disclosure happen when the phenomena is ready to disclose itself? Not by some government. Like, give me a break. And it's probably waiting for us to agree not to shoot at it. Right. Yeah, exactly, exactly. I see a lot of people in the live chat here. I don't know about in the comments on this video in the future, but a lot of people bringing up the aspect of religion. And that is where this conversation headed next. So to those in the chat, I see you right now who are being very passionate about the religious cultism, you call it, with all of this. This next clip is pretty interesting.

When Robert Bigelow touches on, you know, the last episode of their podcast, they talked about the negativity and the baggage that people bring in. Whether it's like Jay Stratton, Lou Elizondo, these other former military and or intelligence people who had very negative experiences on the ranch. Bigelow would argue, well, that's because of the intentions and baggage they brought into the investigation. like that's on them the the whatever these things are feed off of that and project it back at you um so in this clip bigelow he asks a really interesting question that i wasn't expecting he asks what if the ranch could be used for good and not bad effects on people like using it as a almost like a healing mechanism um i found that fascinating should we watch that one let's watch it Okay, okay.

Here we go. And then one more clip after this, guys, I promise. Here we go. Ready. Any else were brought to the ranch, and they're not feeling well. And they become well. Are they healed? Yeah, whatever.

Maybe. The interaction. Yeah. Maybe through the power of prayer and so forth. Wouldn't that be interesting? Right. But having a film crew there, I think, disturbs the whole purpose. It's difficult.

Well, and then the film crew has their own disruptions. That's the comical part of all of this, that people don't realize is that the camera crews are dealing with constant failures and manipulation of their equipment throughout the day. And if we didn't have redundancy, if we didn't have so much redundancy with the cameras, with the audio, with the drones that are recording this stuff playing out. So you might get to a point where you try it with no cameras at all for a long time, if ever, and try to. to accomplish the healing. Try to try to do that. Okay, through the power of prayer, sincere prayer. And Larry Dossi has written extensively on the power of prayer that actually works. It's been tested and validated scientifically actually works. So what if you did that and then start to take pictures of it, you know, still, still shots. Documented. Careful. Small amount of camera interference.

maybe just with one individual. Don't try to get a whole bunch of a Hollywood-type thing going on there, but just maybe really, really conservative. First with none. First with none. I'm going to pause right there. A photographer, one person, Chris Bartel.

The man is an incredible photographer. He would be perfect for that job. Perfect. Perfect. Okay, let's keep going. And then really, really conservative to see if you can do this. With the right? with the right individual, with the right protocol set up.

All of this has got to be set up with a lot of forethought as to what you're doing here. You're gonna have to have legal releases from whoever is involved in this. It has to be done in a way that it's not really a show. Right. You know, this is gonna have to be done, Brandon, where it's private.

It is very, very private. And only with total permission of the person who is the subject, you know, has to be it's it's almost a sacred kind of situation where you don't want to contaminate it right your objective is to heal this person and and that's 99.9% of the of the whole purpose of the thing we got we we had those photos totally by accident it wasn't it wasn't anything that was pre-cognitively set up yeah it wasn't contrived no it was spontaneous the guys did it among themselves

We did we had no we played no role whatsoever in that in that process. I I appreciate you've already you've just provided a a framework a scientific framework and a an imperative that is consciousness related and also has a biological that's where we can actually look at the biology associated with with that and hopefully see a positive outcome Wouldn't that be? Yes.

Incredible. Hello, that's huge. That is huge. That would be huge. It's so interesting to hear like Bigelow being like you shouldn't be doing a television show to record these things. And you also shouldn't be like poking the bear. Like just sit back and let it happen. But you know, I don't know.

I don't know because like apparently Nids was ended because, you know, stuff wasn't happening. And maybe that's because they weren't quote unquote poking the bear. But, okay, it really, it's up, like, everyone's going to have their thoughts and theories on if you should be doing that. Like, do we want the answers to what's going on in Skinwalker Ranch? Or should we just let it be? Like, let the land live and breathe on its own. Like, whatever. I don't know.

I don't know. But, yeah. Well, personally, I want the answers. And I would like for them to keep trying. I know that's not always the best, you know, marching forward might not be the best decision because I know that there will be consequences and that we are unable to identify all the consequences, all the potential consequences. But I think it's worth a try, you know, Bigelow's idea to come at it in a smaller way

in a more respectful and perhaps even prayerful way, using that term generically. not religious way. But it wouldn't hurt to try. Right. Yeah. And you know. Grief, wouldn't they? If they weren't, if they weren't videoing and lidarring and flaring and whatever it is, they're doing.

Imagine the grief Brandon Fugel would be getting. He'd get the same grief Bigelow got for 100 years. Oh, he can't win. Like, there's no way that Brandon Fugel will win in all of this. Like, you will have the staunch. skeptics continue to say this is not scientifically credible like we don't we need the day

and then you will have the more new age even religious people being like no you need to be like focusing on the the Native American aspect of all this or the consciousness as like there's so much baggage

with Skinwalker to begin with nobody seems to be winning I will say this and I don't want to with the cart before the horse, but I do think it's important to say, I do believe that positive intention going into something is so important. I've done a ghost hunting show for almost four years now at this point on television and, you know, say what you will about, you know,

infotainment like putting these things on television and whatnot. Like the experiences I have had supernaturally, abnormally, anomaly. I don't even know how to say that. Anomously. I should know that. I literally created a conference called Anomicon.

Like, I don't give a shit about the cameras being there or not. What I experienced was real to me, and it was extremely powerful. I will put it that way. And the positivity I approached it with helped me through a lot of what could be very dark and scary experiences. So I do believe in the power of prayer. But like you said, stripping it of its dogmatic and or religious connotations, prayer does not need to be to a God. It can be just positive thinking

and intention you put out and, you know, expect nothing in return, but be appreciating. if something positive does come back to you. Please, please. Would you go if invited? Thank you for asking that. That's where this was leading. I am in contact with someone who I am very close with professionally and there are big plans to head out to Utah in the future on land that is literally hugging Skinwalker Ranch and this land will be acquired. I can't say anything else legally about any of this, except that the individuals I'm talking to and working with

have nothing but respect for what Brandon Fugel and his group has done, what Bigel have done, However, their approach in acquiring this land and anything that will be done with that land and scientifically and or consciously investigating it will be done with nothing but positivity. That's wonderful. Although it makes me scared. I'm not sure I'm brave enough to go. I get spooked so easily. I get it.

Sabotage myself and probably the people around me. Oh. I mean, honestly, you would be surprised when you have a group of people all with the same intentions, like, you are there for each other. And I think that that goes a very, very long way. You know, there are times on my- Sitting in the dark by yourself when something's right. Right. And, you know, with my paranormal investigations, like, if something gets dark or scary, I've got three girls behind me who are nothing but positivity, love and light.

And I will say that goes a very long way because I do believe that we are 99% of the phenomenon and how we interact with it. So, yeah. And I also think we find what we look for in a sense. Whether if we're on the negative scale, if we're perceiving through negative lenses, we're going to find negative. We're perceiving through positive lenses. We're going to find some positive. Yeah. It's like, what's that thing?

Like when when something bad happens, like look for the positive. Look for like the challenge that you can overcome with it. Not don't dwell in the negativity of it all. Exactly. And it's hard to do, guys. Trust me. If you get spooked or startled or, you know. It's going to happen.

Dude, I have almost shit my pants with some of this stuff that's happened to be. But luckily it hasn't happened yet. On the end of the bed right now here in the Santa Fe House, like I need you to not. I don't need this at three in the morning. And then what am I supposed to do with that? I don't know who you are or what you want, but scudaddle. Right, right. I know.

And whether it's aliens or ghosts, like, I have had spirits come through that have said things to me that, like, would traumatize a person. Like, things that have come through on our spirit boxes or on the Ouija board, like, things that you cannot repeat. anywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think your deathers would agree with whatever that is that you are who you are, whether you're in a physical form or you're on the other side of consciousness form. You're going to get the same personality.

Exactly. But you know what? When those things happened, I was like, I don't want to talk to you. Yeah, bye. Bye. You hang that phone up, that spiritual phone up, and you move to the next. Yeah, exactly. So I'm glad you're the nominee for that task.

I think I'll just watch from behind, but I'll just start worrying now about it. We always need a worrier, a pragmatic. That's me. I'm excellent at worrying. I'm an excellent warrior. I mean, I get it. I get it. I get it.

One last clip. You can't hear this with the Ouija board, Ryan's brag. Don't remind me. I'm going to be on a Ouija board in less than, gosh, three weeks from now here in Scotland. Yeah. Oh, and, really. Yeah. For those of you who don't know, my ghost hunting show will be filming in.

Scotland. My home right now. I'm so stoked. Ryan should make a vlog there. Yes. So, I mean, again, I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I'm very excited for the potential of what could be an incredible project and experience with these individuals I am working with and in touch with. I have a lot of hope for bringing a more positive, I guess, view of what could be. I be going on in Utah, especially in the Unital base and whatnot. Me too. Me too. I'll keep everyone posted as things unravel with that. But one last

clip. One last clip. So the big thing with Skinwalker Ranch, for a while now, has been the Mesa, right? Like, what is in that Mesa? Apparently, there's been weird, what do you call those? Like, engineered metals have found in and around the mesa. And the ceramics on it are the same or similarly composed as what we use on our space shuttles.

That's crazy. That's absolutely crazy. That was the same with the materials I had tested that were found at the Roswell crash site. So for those of you don't know, I worked with a geologist out in Roswell, Frank Kimber, and he's been digging in the Roswell crash site for years at this point. he found a bunch of small metal pieces and I went out there and I obtained some of these metals and I brought them to an aerospace laboratory metal testing laboratory in in California and I had them tested and you know what we found was not so much extraterrestrial but it was

most definitely exotic and the findings that they found in these metals um the results came back that these were so highly advanced that they would be used on the space shuttles today in 2026. And these metals were found under the earth and were carbon-dated back to like the 1940s. That's interesting because Skinwalkers were carbon-dated to 1960s. Yeah. And there was a 1960s nickel that it sounds to me like someone actually planted at the scene.

And there was one more piece of, Evident. Chat may remember what the other piece of evidence was, also from the 60s all the same time frame. Interesting. Somebody leaving some clues. That happened with us. Frank found military buttons, like from military uniforms with these medals, which would ostensibly be, you know, the people recovering these medals, the army back during the crash on their hands and knees, getting every tiny piece. and obviously forgetting some, not finding some, and I'm sure some of their buttons on their uniforms fell off.

Like they had the buttons dated, and they dated back to the 40s. These were found amongst the medals as well. So, I mean, make of that what you will. You know, a lot of people could argue these were planted there, but maybe they were. Maybe they were. But why? Why leave the trail?

Yeah. Yeah. The hinting around for the Skinwalker stuff is that they were leaving, evidence of a military operation in relation to what was buried in the mesa. There's this metal object in the mesa of some sort. Yeah. We'll see. Interesting stuff.

Probe that like button. Hides in Longgrass says, yes. Hit that like button, guys. If you haven't already. We'll reset the room here. If you're just joining us, we're talking about Bradget Fugel and Robert Bigelow, past and current owners of Skinwalker Ranch. We're playing some clips from the Bigelow podcast.

and we're on the last clip here. But before we do that, super chat and super stickers are open. If you want to help out the show before we wrap things up tonight, we would greatly appreciate that. All your donations will go to help fund Anomicon, our free virtual conference happening in just under, gosh, a week at this point. Crazy stuff.

We're going to tease Anamicon in just a little bit here. Vote on the poll. Yes, what was our poll? What did we? Oh, the David Marler one, right? Yeah. Okay, we'll get to that in just a little bit. Let's play this last clip because we brought up the Mesa and George Knav asks an awesome question about the Mesa, which I'm sure a lot of people have been wondering.

So let's end our clips tonight with this one. I found this one fascinating. Sound good? Ready. All right. Here we go. Well, in your audience, I'm sure who said, get out some dynamite, blow up that Mesa and go get that spaceship in there. Right.

In fact, I hear those calls 24-7. And I understand. By the way, I have great empathy and understanding for those who are frustrated who are looking at the research and wondering why we're not taking a more aggressive approach. But again, I've discussed this earlier. I've really felt that taking the most non-invasive approach and conducting this effort like a medical biopsy will ensure that we actually have something to analyze. Wouldn't it be a tragedy if we end up,

damaging or destroying the very thing that we hope to be able to examine and that may actually yield insights that could be world changing. And I don't think people realize that. I think one other thing that Robert understands because he was there for 20 years before me is the terrain, the mesa, the geology of the mesa is extremely fragile. And you have these huge boulders. You have these large, almost the size of vehicles, rocks that are barely, being held in place across the entire mesa plateau. And disrupting that, you know, having the wrong approach could bring that down on people physically. You could actually end up not only having your equipment destroyed in the process,

but also seeing people with going to the hospital or death. One of the things Robert had pointed out to me were the legalities involved. So there's a property line. You don't own all that mesa. You can't just do what you will with it. sensitive to that. I don't really want to speak to that in this discussion because there's some ongoing litigation with I know that for a fact. I saw appear over the course of the last six to eight months, a very intrusive so-called

oil and gas drilling operation that is literally on the very border right above the drill site. I don't think it's coincidental at all. No one picks a little, you know, 10-acre site when they have a that's literally right over our primary area of it of investigation and we're saying last night they have 1,300 acres yeah there's like choose from there's over a thousand acres to actually choose from where that could have been oriented and they pick the one site that is most closely oriented and intrusive that has been incredibly damaging I mean not only do we hear the noise we're dealing with the noise and the light pollution

and the vibratory disruptions that are now compromising a decade of scientific research to try to understand what is happening on the ranch. So as much as I want to get into that, I need, I'm not meaning to deflect or pass the buck, but we're in the middle of litigation with those people who I believe are bad actors. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. I think it's highly suspicious. Brenna, less is more. Yeah. I love that.

He's like, shut up. Stop. Yeah. Enough. You think he was a lawyer. For those of you just listening to this on the podcast, Robert Bigglo literally did the zip it gesture to, but I know this for a fact. The oil rigging or whatever company is working there,

the individuals I am speaking to are also dealing with them legally. So they are doing everything in their power to disrupt the investigations going on at Skinwalker Ranch and on the other properties surrounding Skinwalker Ranch. So say what you will. They could have picked any site. And instead they chose the close. Yep. To the Mesa. As they mentioned in that clip.

Like they own so much acres, this oil company, and they picked that one place. Give me a break. I had to be right there. Yeah, yeah. So fascinating. I look forward to whatever these two end up doing. Again, I've been very critical of Robert Bigelow in the past, but I do find some redeeming qualities in what he's doing now. I'm still, I will never forgive him for the whole Mufon debacle and a question.

wiring their files and doing nothing with it, or never coming out with his stuff from his work. But, you know, who am I? You know, we all want, want, want, want, want, want. You know, but like, like, end of the day, like, he bought the ranch. He did these things. Like, he can do what he wants, I guess, whatever. But you have to like it, though. Yeah, you don't have to like you.

Exactly. So, you know, redeem yourself, but Bigelope. Like, let's see what happens next out there. I'm with you, too, because I do think. think this is a bit of a redemption for him if he'll come out and help and speak more publicly and try to get to the answers for the public yeah i'll give him some extra credit i do too yeah and for anyone who's a bowler i like that too did you see that bowling ball in the background there bigelow aerospace champion what like is bowling bobby bigelow a 300 roller i need to know big

name big bowling bobby bigelow big balling bobby bigelow next t-shirt i love it i love it awesome guys well those are our stories for tonight but don't leave yet because anomicon is this upcoming saturday september 12th and we're going to go through our speakers right now with you guys quickly um before we go and um and and and give you guys a little and the poll and the poll so vote quickly everyone Vote right now in the poll over on YouTube if you're watching on Twitter. Why? Come on over to YouTube. Join in our live chat and vote in the poll. So Anamicon will be our master of ceremonies, Jim Harold.

I'm so excited to have him. Always an honor to have the legendary paranormal podcaster, Jim Harold, joining us. We have Lacey Williams, who will be talking about Appalachia Obscira, strangest folkloric creatures of the mountain region. then we're moving to Australia with Violetta M. Badgea, who was just on the podcast last week, and good Lord, did that episode explode. If you have not listened or watched, go back in the archives, and yeah, we'll have Villetta back on the show soon. She's one of our substack writers.

She'll be talking about the from the outback to the sky's compelling cases that shaped Australian UAP lore. We're moving to Bennett Tanton. what 600 plus interviews taught me about the unknown. And then we're getting a pretty interesting talk from Emma Elizabeth, who's going to be talking quantum healing memory retrieval for past lives and contact experiences. Just talk to her today. It's a fascinating discussion. Next up, yeah.

Oh, you're going to love it, Suzanne. Samantha Lee Treasurer's joining us again. She spoke a couple years ago. She's going to be talking about alien entities in out-of-body experience. experiences. Wow. Yeah, that one's awesome. And then we're moving over to Osaka, Japan with our good buddy.

Did I Wake You 3 a.m. The one and only Darren Vickers. He's going to be talking about Abe No Simi. Japan's Merlin, the man, the myth, and the legend. I am really excited for that one. Next up, we've got my three ladies from Haunted Heart and Soul. They have a group called Third Eye paranormal out there in Nova Scotia. We have Amy Murphy, Kim Moser, and Chelsea.

LaSalle. They're going to be talking about echoes in the aisles, mediumship, tech, and haunted objects in the paranormal. So they are actually haunted thrifters, Suzanne. They go around to thrift stores and find haunted objects, which is so cool. Follow them on Instagram because you can watch them do it and they play a little game called Haunted or Not. Yeah. And it's a lot of fun to watch them. A lot of fun. I love it. I absolutely love it. Next up, Nomar Slavik will be joining us once again to premiere three of his brand new mini documentaries. His talk is called Strange Main True Stories of Mystery, Mayhem, and Monsters. Really excited for that one.

One of our fan favorites, I think she's been a part of every single Anomicon so far, if I'm not mistaken. The one and only Zelia Edgar. She's going to be talking highly strange Wisconsin. So I'm excited for that one. Austin Burgess and Caleb Hanks. will be joining us. They are from the Ghosts in the Mountains podcast, and they're going to be talking archetypes of the paranormal. So that's really, really cool, really cool. Spaghetti Western points out mayhem. I spelled it wrong in the thumbnail. So I'm going to have to go back and fix that. Sorry, Noamar. Your boy can't spell. So I'll be fixing that. Next up, we have Maya Celeste Cowan, who is an anthropologist. She's going to be talking about embodied anomalies.

cyborg anthropology and UAP science. I'm so sorry. I know I love an anthropologist. I have no idea what that means, but I cannot wait for her presentation. She is a brilliant individual, for sure. Vince Hall from UAP podcast over on Instagram, very popular Instagrammer.

If you guys aren't following him, you can find him wherever you get your podcasts and on Instagram, just type in UAP pod. Vince Hall will be talking mystery, stigma, and the experiencer next store. Now, Vince is a military veteran who had a very dramatic UFO sighting, I believe in Iraq. If I'm not mistaken, if not somewhere in the Middle East. I do apologize if I don't have that correct. But he'll talk about his UFO sighting during, literally during wartime and what he experienced.

And talking about experiencers. So I'm excited for that. We have Daniel Noah, the co-creator of Spectre Vision, the production company of which I am on their podcast network, Spector Vision Radio. Daniel Noah created Spectre Vision with actor Elijah Wood, and they are sponsoring an Amicon, so I'm very honored by that as well. But Daniel Noah will be talking quantum storytelling. So really, really cool. Next up we have Meredith Spearman. If you guys don't follow Meredith on Substat, give her a follow.

Her articles are incredible. And she does this whole series called The Threshold. So she's going to kind of break that down and synthesize it for us at Anomicon. Her talk is called The Threshold Making Room for the Extraordinary. And now we're heading to our last four speakers of Anomicon. We have Bryce Zabel and Brent Friedman from the Holly, excuse me, from the Soundlight and Frequency podcast. And they're going to be talking about Hollywood, UFOs, and the architecture of secrecy. I just talked to Bryce today.

And it is awesome. Their talk, it's going to be really one for the books. And I can't wait for you guys to see that one. Next up from News Nation, Reality Check. We have Megan Medick. And she's going to be talking about the media, UAPs, and disclosure, how stories reach the mainstream. So we're going to get a crash course in how the media covers UAP and her work with Ross Cole Thart over at reality check and all that.

And finally, our last two speakers, we have Christina Gomez joining us once again. And she's going to be talking about something near and dear to my heart, and that is Scotland. She'll be talking about Scotland's UFO encounter that sparked a criminal investigation. Ooh, the Robert Taylor case for those who aren't familiar. It's awesome. Annamacon Paloza. And last but certainly not least, we have joining us the Outer, Owl Guy, the one and only Mike Cleland, who's going to be talking about owls and a deeper reality.

So there you go, guys. That is our entire- Brian. Right? I am so stoked. Like, this year is just killing it. I can't believe it. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm really excited. You know, we have some merch. We do. We do have merch. I always forget about that. Thank you. Thank you.

Yeah, guys, if you're interested in representing an Amicon-in style and supporting us, go to our website, anomicon.com. There's a merch tab there, and that'll bring you to T-Public, where all of our merchandise is somewhere in the skies and Anomicon. You can wear your Anamicon merch. It's not too late. You can still get it. Hopefully it'll get to you in time, and you can watch Anamicon in style. For sure, for sure.

So, yeah, be on the lookout for that. Anomicon will be coming to you this upcoming Saturday, September 12th. It is free. all you got to do is stay on this channel where you're watching this right now. It's already, there's a landing page for it. Hit that notification bell so you won't forget. We're starting at 9 a.m. Eastern Saturday. It'll be going all day.

You can hop in and out whenever you want. It'll be archived on here. So even if you miss it, it will be there in perpetuity forever. And we will also be releasing every single talk individually as well. So you can always go and watch those. to you. But we really hope you'll join us September 12th because we'll be in the live chat all day interacting with you guys watching the talks, talking about the talks. And our speakers, a lot of them will be in the live chat as well to answer any questions.

Answer questions. So being in the chat is a good thing. It is. And I don't have, you know, everyone's like, when is each talk? I unfortunately, because the talks are still coming in, I can't have precise times for you guys. But I will be. putting out on our social media the order of speakers starting at 9 a.m. I have no idea how long in Amicomicon will go. But we will let you know. We never do. Yeah, yeah. Talks are a lot shorter this year. You know, no talks are over 30 minutes. You know, we had some last year that went an hour, an hour and a half that those days are over. So thankful for those in the past who have done that, but we really wanted to kind of whittle it down

and, you know, quality over quantity, I guess would be a way of putting it. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, we'll let you know on our social media and whatnot, the order of speakers, for sure. Bryce Sable and Brent Friedman will basically be our headliners, so their talk will be last time, you know that, for sure. But yeah, just be on the lookout in the future about that.

Wonderful. Cool, cool, cool. And before we go. Have you guys to place their poll vote? Oh, my gosh, I forgot. already. I promise I'll get to that in a sec. I'll finish with these last things here. We're shouting out artists and everything on the channel. And today I want to shout out Caitlin Grabenstein, who is the owner of cult class. He is an extremely popular Instagram artist.

I think she has over a million followers over on Instagram at this point. It's amazing. Incredible. And I do want to point out too, she is also, the designer of my last book cover. She did the entire, the front and the back. She designed my entire book cover from scratch from my last book. So I am a big fan, obviously, of Caitlin. But I want you guys to be too. So be sure to check her out over on Instagram.

Her handle is colt.com. And you can also order prints directly from her website, cultclassart. shop. And if you're watching this on YouTube, there's some examples of her work on your screen right now. She does really cool collage work where she, you know, takes images and inputs, UFOs, and do them and stuff like that. And it's all done, you know, from scratch. And she does really, really good work. So if you want original art prints and apparel, head over to her website and be sure to follow Caitlin over on Instagram atcult.com. So there's that. Our shout out.

for the night, Suzanne. Let's go to the poll before I forget once again. Let me see. Let me refresh it just in case. Do you have it with your? I don't on my end. You don't have it. Okay, I'll go to it right now. So we asked over on YouTube, should David Marler make a deal with Arrow? Again, a lot of people were very divided on this. But our poll says that should David Marler make a deal with Arrow? 22% said yes. 11% said no. 47% said need more info, and 19% said, who? What? Where am I? I love that 44% because those are our thinkers. I mean, the whole crowd are good thinkers, but in terms of analyzing what's happening with Marler right now and the publicity, we need more information. Exactly. Yep, breathe, as you said earlier. We just need to breathe and let this play out. And before anything is signed, we'll hear from David Marler. we'll make sure.

Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. One more thing before we go. We have premiering in just a couple hours. You and I interviewed Adam Pillen and Megan Woomer, the creators of the Cote photo documentary, which just released yesterday, I believe. Yeah, yesterday or the day before.

But the Cote photo documentary is out now on Amazon. You can rent it or buy it, but we had the opportunity to, speak to the filmmakers all about the Cote photo, perhaps the clearest photo of the UFO ever captured. And wasn't that an awesome interview? It was an awesome interview. It's an awesome documentary. I highly recommend everyone pause what you're doing and go find it and watch it and really think about it. And don't judge it right off the bat.

Let it ruminate a while of what is actually happening here and who these people are. I think it's a fascinating collection of facts and people. I would agree. I would agree. Yeah, it's just like, and again, we want to like stress too. Like, it's not a documentary just about this photo. You know, like if you did a two-hour documentary on just one photo, I think that would get a little redundant and perhaps a little dry.

But they put such a human lens on this story. They were able to track down the photographer of the photo who was on aircraft when he took this image from the sky. It's one of the only UFO photos we have taken from above too, which is fascinating. Yeah. And the photographer, you know, this is not his only experience as we are. A highly experienced photographer and cartographer. And talk about someone who's intentions and their heart are in the right place. Absolutely. Yeah, Sergio is an awesome guy. You'll learn all about him in the documentary. I thought they did a great job too, Ryan,

putting the photo in context with the people and the circumstances. And that doesn't always happen. Exactly. Exactly. Brilliant documentary. I loved it. And I really hope you guys will check out our interview just premiering pretty soon.

If you want to listen to it right now, it is on Patreon. You can listen to Early Access. It's on Apple Premium. It's on YouTube channel membership. All of those. You can join those and listen early right now. So, yeah, join any of those and you get perks like that. Early access, bonus episodes, blah, blah, blah. Learn more about it in the show notes.

But, yeah, I think that's going to do it for tonight, Suzanne. Do you have anything else before we go? Not a thing. We want everybody to pop in for Anamacan. We'll be watching for you. Oh, we'll be watching every single one of you. You better be there. Join us.

Not in the creepy way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not actually watching you. you're watching us. We're looking forward to seeing you. How about that? There we go. I like that much better.

I like that much better. I do want to give one more time a special shout out to our super chat and super stickers tonight. The biologist. Thank you so much, my friend. And to Vickroy, thank you guys. You are the best. Absolutely. Cool.

So let's get out of here and we'll see you guys on Saturday for anomicon. We are so excited. We cannot wait. And we will leave you guys with our. What do you call that mantra with our mantra as always. And that is keep your feet on the ground, but never stop searching. Somewhere in the skies. Oh, she's got it.

Two weeks in a row, slam down. There's nothing to hide. There's nothing to hide at all.