Somewhere in the Skies - Foley and Flying Saucers

Episode Date: March 21, 2022

On episode 257 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we are joined by actor and comedian, Dave Foley. Foley shares with us how he first became interested in UFOs, what made him return to the research community, how both the entertainment industry and mainstream media influence the UFO discourse, and where we are heading with new disclosures in an uncertain future. Foley then answers listener questions. Follow Dave Foley on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/DaveSFoley Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Somewhere in the Skies Coffee: CLICK HERE  Order Ryan’s book in paperback, ebook, or audiobook by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Follow Chrissy Newton on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/chrissynewton Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Read Ryan’s Articles by CLICKING HERE Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at: https://bit.ly/3rJpbd7 Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE Copyright © 2021 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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See you on the roof. Today on the show, actor, comedian, and die. Director, Dave Foley. This is Somewhere in the Skies with Brian Sprague. Welcome, everyone, to another very exciting episode of Somewhere in the Skies. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but for the very first time on the show exclusively, we have with us today, Dave Foley. Dave, how you doing, my man?

I'm very well. Thank you. Thank you for having me on. It's a delight. I've been, I've been, I guess, a long-time listener, first-time guest. I guess. That's, I'm extremely honored, man. I did feature you a panel that I did with you and Jeremy Corbell and UFO Jane on the show at one point.

But this is the first time you've actually been my guest. And of course, I had to have my co-pilot here, a fellow Canadian like yourself to come on here. I've been enjoying your new collaboration. You know, you guys, you guys, you're the Nichols and May of UFOs. we're trying we're trying good to see you jane nice to see you

christie's definitely brought she came guns ablazzing I mean she was the one to get me Elizondo and Chris Mellon after their big article came out yeah that was a great interview that was great oh it was yeah yeah so we have heard of thank

for that we just dropped another big story an exclusive interview about Canadian UFO files which I want to get your thoughts on too day and yeah I saw that I didn't get a chance to read that. I was going to go. Oh, no worries. We can definitely give you the Cliff Notes version. But let's do the origin story for our viewers, our listeners who don't really know, I don't know how they couldn't know who you are. But you're,

your dive into the world of UFOs. How did this start? How did you first get interested? What made you start to take it seriously? Yeah, well, I think it's been less of a dive into It was more of a fluctuating obsession throughout my lifetime, I would say. Where, I guess, as a kid, I was definitely very interested in you. I mean, I was a child, the TV series UFO was on the air. Terrible show, by the way, by the guys who made Thunderbirds or Go. They're a first live-action show. And if you watch it now, it's a fantastic wardrobe.

But other than that, it's a fantastic wardrobe. pretty awful. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and there was also the Roy Thinness series, Invaders was on at the time. So it was, oh, you know, and I loved all the sci-fi movies like The Earth Stood Still. I loved the sort of utopian vision of aliens. Of course, a child, big breeder of Ray Bradbury as a kid, so all those things were interested.

But it came, in terms of seriousness and attentiveness, it's gone up in. down and it it took a big jump up around the time of the uh the phoenix lights oh really yeah because that was one um i mean i mean before that i mean i never bought the roswell story uh the cover-up story but the when the phoenix lights happened back in 97 you know what it was um that was one where i just kept looking at it and and then heard the ridiculous you know it was flare's explanation And, and again, how quickly, I mean, you go back to Roswell where basically you could just say, you know, it was, you know, it was a balloon. And people go, oh, yes, yes, the only nuclear wing in the world would mistake a balloon for a UFO. Right.

Everyone, everyone have a nap now. And so the Phoenix light seemed like exactly the same thing where, you know, you, you, uh, you, uh, you, The government comes out and says it was flares, and all the media who were covering it a day before ago, no, I knew it. So that got me thinking, oh, this is ridiculous. And I guess, and just after that, the French Cometta report came out. All right. Which was the French government's, well, it was a joint thing. It was the military science academy and government all working on a report on U.S.

UFOs and at the end they just came out and came out and said to the whole world oh UFOs are real uh and our best bet is they're extraterrestrial and and again this is a this is a pretty established western government uh saying this uh pretty uh strong you know uh scientific nation um and again uh no one cared you know right right and then Correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't they shut down Kometta after they came out with that conclusion? I think, I'm not sure if they did. I can't, I don't know now.

I think it was within like months or something. They said, yeah, most, possibly the most, what would you say? The biggest answer to it is probably extraterrestrial. And then they're like, nope, program over, done, done. Yeah, yeah. Well, they got their result. Yeah, exactly. Arguably, that's what you do with the program.

That's true. get their result and you shut it down. But you think you'd follow it up with some other studies. And I'm going to assume they have. You know. I mean, I do think the French have a better sort of reporting system

than we've had. I don't know if it's still an extent. But yeah, so those are things. That got me really going on again. And then years later, seeing, watching

the out of the blue James Fox's movie I remember watching that and that was the first I think it was the first really good documentary about the subject because it was very well produced and it was dealing almost entirely with you know extremely

what's the term not unimpeachable credible mostly dealing with extremely credible sources and witnesses and looking at data. And I thought that was like the first really great. And that went really just that. And then watching the follow up, I know what I saw.

So I sort of went, okay, all right, this is, yeah, I got to take this is a pretty serious issue for our time. Yeah, right. And then, I mean, were you one of these people to when the whole New York Times? thing came out and everything were you all in at that point or were you kind of with the rest of us like huh what's going on here oh i was all in uh in fact i was in enough that that that that when the new york times story came out i i knew what that what was being left out of it um all right i mean i at that time i already i knew from my some of my friends about osap

and i knew that you were in the know yeah and knew that right knew that knew that knew that knew that the larger program was ASAP and that ATIP was just sort of an offshoot of ALSAP within the Pentagon. So I knew the things that, you know, recently everyone's going, well, we should have, you know,

these, you know, we weren't told the truth by the New York Times. I mean, I knew that they just weren't able to tell it at the time because the head of Alsap hadn't come out, hadn't agreed to go public yet. How did you surround yourself then within the UFO community, Dave? Like, how did you

find yourself like embedded in this group of people that now have all this intel right all this intel because it's we all find our way in in different ways outside of being interested in it you find yourself into surrounded by people in the community well it started because i was going to do it i was going to go on uh my friend joe rogan's podcast to promote my own podcast and uh and i so i remember texting joe late at night saying joe you're going to be so excited. I'm full on into UFOs again. And, uh, and, and, and, and I was startled to get the text back from jail. Ah, it's all bullshit. I'm, I'm, I'm out of that. Right. What the fuck? How can you be out of it now? And so, and there's one of the things where I started talking to him about, uh, I talked

about James Fox's movies. And I also said, you know, I said, you should also, you should watch, uh, the Bob Lazare documentary, uh, by this guy, Jeremy Corbell. And I said, there's a lot of really interesting, compelling stuff and that. And then, so after I mentioned Jeremy's movie, Jeremy reached, sort of gave me a shout on Twitter, and so we became Twitter friends. And then we became real-life friends a little later. I remember staying at Joshua Tree and reached sort of tweeted at Jeremy saying, look, I'm out in your end of the world.

What should I do when I'm out here? because he used to live out in Joshua Tree. Right. So that was, yeah. So we became friends over just like, you know, telling me what restaurants and what tourist sites to see. And then we actually started meeting up and talking about UFOs. So we've been friends since then.

We know that Joe is the person that got you in. Or you've got Joe back in, I should say. Yeah, I got Joe back. Yeah, you got Joe back in. Well, back in the Phoenix Lights days, we used to talk about it all the time. You know, we just talked. And also, I mean, I used to argue because Joe was into some of the ancient alien stuff that I thought was

kind of crazy. And I would argue with him about, you know, like when Joe was convinced the pyramids were built by aliens. And I kept, and I was firmly opposed to that idea. I just kept saying, it's stone age technology, Joe. It's stone age. It's actually just stone masonry. I said if the aliens, I believe the aliens built it, if there was one electric lightbulk,

been there. Right. Hey, and you're talking to the guy who's on ancient aliens, but I can say publicly, like, Dave, I'm with you, man. Like, we forget the ingenuity and the innovativeness of different cultures throughout the world and what they can accomplish. And the pyramids of Giza weren't built, like, just, let's build this. There's hundreds of years of progress.

You can watch the progress. You can travel around Egypt and see it. It starts with burial mounds. then it starts with stepped earth pyramids then it starts with stone stepped pyramids then it started eventually gets to the smooth walled pyramids of a geesea I mean but it took hundreds of years for them to figure it out and you can you can actually walk around Egypt and see it you can see the progress towards the pyramids uh so that that that's well that that yeah but could it be could it be no I'm just kidding no we won't go there we won't go there that yeah um that's that That the Nazis got the V2 advice from aliens. That's the other one that makes me crazy. Why would Nazis-

The Glockin? Yeah. Why would aliens show them how to build rockets? They have gravidic propulsion. Why would they, if they want to help the Nazis, why would they say, here, here's how you defy gravity. Yeah. Yeah. Take our trash.

Take our, you know, thermodynamic rockets. Yeah. And good luck with that. Yeah. No, the aliens have showed them how to use 1,000-year-old. old Chinese technology. Exactly. Let's move to, I mean, a lot of the stuff you brought up that got you interested is

through documentaries and kind of the entertainment industry and how they have handled this topic, whether it's through mainstream media or through Hollywood. You're saying I'm not a reader. That's what you're saying, isn't it? No, I'm not saying that. No, that's fair. What's your favorite UFO? I'm dyslexic, so I am, I am.

I am not a great reader. Leslie Kane's book I really loved. I read that. And I finally got around to, though that I'm not being cynical anymore. Nice. Yeah, that's a fantastic book. I finally got around to reading the day after Roswell,

which I guess I had kind of dismissed. Yeah, Phil Corses. Which I'd dismissed for years. And finally read it and went, oh, it's so much more rational than it's made out to be. It's so much, you know, he's like, none of these claims seem outrageous. you know, when you actually don't,

when you're not reading the people describing his claims. Right, exactly, yeah. I haven't made my way through the entire book yet, but you're right. A lot of the stuff that he says, there could be some truth to it. And, you know, unfortunately, like everything else with Roswell will probably never truly know.

Yeah, but it's not like he was saying, he was not like he was saying, we got all these technologies from UFOs. He was saying he, his, job was to find areas where people were doing research in various material sciences where some of the materials recovered might have helped put that push that research forward. You know, he's not saying, yeah, he's not saying. He just said, here, here's some fiber optics.

Go ahead and make a billion dollars. Good luck. Yeah, exactly. I actually spoke to Paul Heller about that. Yeah, I spoke to Paul Heller before, like years before he passed about two years. and he read that book and that's what got him into the story as well. And he actually looked at his background because he was the Minister of Defense. And then he was also going to be writing to be the prime minister against Trudeau.

And that was Pierre Trudeau, not our Trudeau now currently. But he then read that book when he was on vacation and someone gave it to him. And then that's what brought him in. But his parallel timelines said that it made sense for him. So when he read it, he went, I know he knew. the Kennedys. He knew everything that was related. So for him, it made sense. And when you get, you know, anybody that's in defense saying that their timelines match up with what the book says, you kind of have, you know, and he obviously knew more intel than we would ever know at that point,

too. Yeah. And then he just looked at the full course. He was so highly connected, you know, and so highly respected. And as I said, and even you read the book, it's a very, seems like it's a very pragmatic account of how we took, I got this stuff. I got it. I'm supposed to hand it out. That's my job. And he lists all of the, you know, all of the key players that he was in contact with and that he dealt with, you know, so he's pretty detailed in the, you know, in the, you know, the personnel that he cites. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Christy, um, why don't we, we head into the entertainment territory? Because I know this is, you know, um, kind of what you guys chatted about on your show with Dave, but I'd love if we could expand on that conversation

a little bit in terms of the entertainment industry. And, you know, I know Dave is, you've done some stuff on television. I'm a professional interview. You are. You are. You've done just a few things that people need me from. But yeah, Chrissy, please take it from there. Yeah, we talked a lot about misinformation to Dave and ridicule, because I know that you started in the community and there was a lot of ridicule around it. Have you seen, like, what examples in entertainment that used ridicule that you thought maybe was creating misinformation within the entertainment industry? And then obviously led to mainstream.

Yeah. Oh, I mean, I think every, I think from the, I mean, when was the decision made by the Pentagon to begin publicly ridiculing and undermining the credibility of witnesses that was like early 50s, right? Yeah, yeah, back Project Blue Book days, yep. Yeah, so they went from a stance of, all right, let's investigate this stuff to let's make it seem crazy and make everyone who talks about it seem crazy

and condition the public to that. And so I'd say like going back from the earliest, you know, I mean, television, radio that was sort of the atmosphere was created that all of the people who believed in UFOs were, you know, the lunatics who hung out in the desert. waiting for them to come down for, you know, to save us. And so they, so comedy, especially in those days, there was a strong tendency towards what I would use to call public domain comedy. You know, which is like, you know, every comedy show would do a scene where a drunk guy see something crazy and then takes the flask out of his pocket and goes, oh boy.

You know, so everyone would do the same joke, right, in those days. I think we've evolved a little bit from that. We've made comedy a little harder now. But at that time, yeah, so you'd go for the low-hanging fruit, the easy laugh. So if there was a story about UFOs in the news, everyone in comedy would tell their jokes, you know, whether it was Bob Hope or later, whether it was Johnny Carson or later Saturday Night Live. and it just all went on that that smart

intelligent people immediately mocked the story immediately mocked any witnesses derided them disparaged and disposed of them pretty quickly

are you hearing these alerts on my computer no no then I'll ignore them but yeah so I think there was just so comedians

became an unwitting ally, I think, to the government in creating the narrative that all UFO encounters are the product of deranged minds and forwarding the stereotype of the, you know, of the, of the, the, of the, the, the hick and his camper in the middle of the woods, you know, with his bottle of moonshine, seeing a UFO, you know. Yeah. And I got to say to a certain extent, I mean that social conditioning is one of the things that has amazed me most since, I guess, even since, particularly since the New York Times article is the profound effect that the social conditioning has had on the population. That even now when you've got the Pentagon coming out and saying, yes, they're real, you know. No, we don't know what they are.

the response to the public is still largely, right, that stuff's crazy. I don't even want to talk about that crazy shit. You know, and just going on with their day, well, whatever, whatever, freak, you know. And I know, and this is from, particularly from intelligent people who actually are, as I said, I have friends who I know read the New York Times from cover to cover. but when I asked them about these UFO revelations from the New York Times

and the three famous videos that came out along with it people I know read the New York Times were going, what are you talking about? When was this? This was in the Times? I didn't see that. And you realize it's the social conditioning

that literally not only did they not read the articles they didn't register that they had seen the articles because they were so conditioned to just block out. anything to do with UFOs. Even if it's on the front page. Yes, even if it's on the front page. And you know there's no way they missed it.

But they did. Smart people that I know, I could talk to them about everything else that was in that issue of the New York Times, you know? And people that, you know, friends of mine that are comedians that are extremely tied into the culture. just zero awareness of the fact that the story had broken and that the Pentagon had confirmed it

and that that startled me and I kept thinking wow it really is this a larger danger to be aware of which is how susceptible we are to having our I guess our field of view narrowed by social conditioning Yeah, and through media and entertainment. I had the same thing too. I had a friend where I was visiting them in L.A. And we were all chatting. And I said, I'm like, yeah, we have like a UFO office. And you could watch their mind just like, just explode.

And they're like, what? I'm like, yeah. I'm like, we haven't been catching out. Apparently you don't watch any of our work, but that's fine. You know, I have mentioned it a couple times on social, but whatever. But no, and I could see. her mind just expand and she's like I need to know more and it was great because I'm like okay well great like I've opened up your mind and the door now to to learn her more but for her it was like okay

now this is acceptable so yeah interesting to see her perspective and then and now what she'll probably teach her kids and everything else that are that's going to happen in the years to come right yeah I know and I mean because it's because it's it is I mean I do keep coming up against this where where you you just talk to people and you say I used to have a friend in high school who joined a cult. And the cult he was in, they was largely based on meditation, but they had him conditioned

that if you questioned any of the beliefs of his cult, that he would lapse into a trance. So you'd basically, you'd ask him a question about his cult, and you'd be sitting on the bus talking and having a fine time, and then you'd ask him a question he didn't like, and you'd go, and he would just stay that way until you backed off. and

it struck is just unbelievable that you could condition someone to respond that way to information that they don't like Oh wow

Yeah that's exactly the response I'm seeing from the people I would consider to be my peers in the world

which I would say are you know the smart left wing intellectual sort of crowd that I

wrongly believe I'm part of And that crowds, when it comes to UFOs, are the same thing. As soon as you present them with these ideas, they don't want to hear. You know, they go into the trance of just not listening, not hearing. You can see the eyes glaze over. And it's a chilling effect. And none of us should ever think that we've escaped it.

even if we've escaped it maybe on this one subject, there are probably numerous other subjects in which we've been totally shut down from thinking about things. Obviously, religion's great at doing it at shutting down thought. And politics adherence to any sort of political party or philosophy can do it as well. But for us, I think it's the most susceptible group in the world, are people who consider themselves to be intellectuals. And I think, you know, even, I think it was, as I said, like Noam Chomsky in manufacturing consent, talked about how, you know, that you don't need conspiracies in the left.

All you need to do is create an environment in which it's not acceptable to think about certain things. And the left, the left-wing intellectuals will adhere to those rules. absolutely and you will not shake them off of those rules about what you are and are not to think about interesting yeah you do i think tend to see a lot of uh more right-leaning people uh in this topic of UFOs this uh sense of a distrust in the government um yeah and and whatnot and again like i'm not here to, you know, say what's right or what's wrong in terms of where people lay. Yeah, that's your job, Dave. Yeah, you're the one who's going to alienate our audience, not me. No, no pun intended.

But yeah, you're right. I think, you know, as a, also a, and my viewers and listeners know this, as a more left-leaning person, they always ask me, what, how is it dealing with a community who's mostly a lot of them don't have the same beliefs as you. And I'm like, hey, look, if this one topic is the thing that I can, like, have a civil discourse with them about, so be it. Maybe that'll open the door to other things. Or maybe it'll make it worse. I've yet to see any results from that. But I don't know. I don't know. It's such a profound topic. You would hope it could transcend all of that. You would hope. I hope so. It should. It certainly, I think, And again, I think that's part of why the left dismisses this because they, you know, again, it's part of the cliche.

You know, the crazy red necks and their, you know, in their prepper bunkers. You know, so that, you know, it all gets lumped into one thing as opposed to, you know, maybe these people with their mistrust of the government at least left them open to hearing this information. You know, it may have closed them off from hearing a lot of other important information, you know. you know, like about vaccines and stuff, but at least it opened their minds to this, this bit of information, whereas the left are, by and large, you know, our minds are closed to this subject, you know, and our heroes, our scientists are mostly close to, it's changing now, it is changing. I just watched, oh, I'm trying to remember the name of the, it was a podcast, it was Eric, it was Eric Weinstein, And Hal Putoff, we're on a podcast recently with, I guess the guy who's sort of, I don't know if he's like a protege or student of Eric's.

I don't know. But I forget the name of his podcast. It's pretty good. But it's mostly a podcast about science and mathematics. But he's moved into the UFO discussion and dragged Eric Weinstein into it, still kind of kicking and screaming. But even Eric Weinstein is accepting the reality of UFOs now. And he's still, he's at a place where I think I was a little while ago where he's accepting reality of UFO phenomena, but absolutely dismissing any possibility of like the abduction phenomena.

Which, I got to admit, I feel bad I actually dismissed that as well for a very long time. And then, which logically doesn't make any sense because if you accept that UFOs are here and there's a strong possibility that they're extraterrestrial, it would seem kind of stupid if they weren't. abducting us. It's, you know, it is, it's hard. It's hard day. For someone who has spent half my life interviewing experiences and claimed abductees, you know, I can't even pretend to be closer to an answer of whether these abductions are happening in the physical realm as we know it.

Or if they're happening at all, all I can do is, you know, continue to ask questions of these people and at least listen. to them. I think it's everyone deserves to at least be heard when it comes to these topics. Yeah. It just seems absurd to dismiss it once you've accepted other, like once you accept one premise,

you know, and in fact I remember Eric Wonstand this podcast was all upset about the idea that you say, well, you know, we can't, just because we accept this doesn't mean we open the door to everything. You know, just so we accept that the UFOs, these ships are existing, doesn't mean we open the door to, you know, abductees.

And it's good, why isn't it? You know, once you've... At least, yeah. Keep the door a jar. It starts it. Right, yeah. And you can start the conversation. Yeah, exactly.

You know, I think we're dealing with right now, the mainstream now accepting UFOs exist. Like, just that question. You know, with the United States government saying, yeah, there's a physical phenomenon happening. We still don't know what it is. But yeah, it's real. We're going to...

We want people to... report it, we'll look into it. It's a lot to ask them to then believe in abductions and by that I mean the mainstream public. But, you know, maybe there will come a time where we get there. It's just not right now. Yeah. And there's

this counterculture group that's rowing. You know, there's apps now that if you're in that community, you can go and talk to people and share conversations and the ridicule is not. It's still there for, I think, for, you know, adepties and like contactees. But they feel, they feel

I think a little bit easier and lighthearted that they can come out and talk about it more freely. And so you're getting more of those people happening. So I think once we start figuring out what's going on here, there is no choice for that discussion not to happen, but it's probably going to take, I don't know, another five years, I would imagine. I might be wrong, but I think it's going to take a little bit longer. And also science will have to catch up to that too.

I hope so. It's just for the, out of empathy for the people who have had these experiences. and just the sheer volume of people who've had these experiences, it just seems close-minded and condescending to just dismiss it all. You know, I mean, obviously, probably most of the accounts are not true, and there's certainly a certain amount of mental illness involved in the phenomena, but there's a certain amount of mental illness involved with everything. Right.

So we don't dismiss everyone who believe something just because some of the people who believe it are crazy. You know? Which cases, Dave, may I ask, do you buy into when it comes to abductions? I get asked that a lot. And, you know, I kind of always turn to the quintessentials, you know, the documented ones and whatnot. But, again, I've spoken to hundreds of people. So I'm going to have a different answer. Which ones would you say?

Obviously, I think the Travis Walton one is one of them. most compelling, you know, in terms of just, you know, the amount of, well, the amount of documentation and corroboration. And the fact that he's stuck with the, he's stuck with the story all these years. And, you know, and I think Betty and Barney Hill is pretty compelling. And I also, you know, also friends who have had abduction experiences and I believe them now and I didn't at first. So it's, but I would say, yeah, probably the two big famous ones are probably the, you know, the ones I know the best. I've also, you know, I've also read some of David Jacobs books. Oh, right.

Yes. And of course, Harvard psychiatrist, psychologist. Oh, yes. John Mac. John Mac. John Mac. Oh, John Mac. Both went to Harvard.

You weren't up far off. Right. He was like, yes. We're teaching Harvard. Right. And he did a great documentary years ago about, experiences that was pretty kind of chilling and compelling. Yeah.

He brought into the mainstream, too. with Oprah and so many other people talked about it because of John Mack. And for him, you know, he shed a lot of light on it. And he almost sacrificed his career for it. Yeah, you're right. I know. They tried to get rid of him. It's crazy.

I know. I think it came to like a lawsuit at one point. But it's crazy to me to think, too. Like Mac was one of the first people on the ground at that Zimbabwe case back in 1994, I believe it was. And now, like, who knows? what kind of preserved evidence we would have had, had he not gone there and, like, interviewed all these kids who had this crazy, close encounter experience at their school. We probably never would have really known about it had he not been there.

And Cynthia Heinz, the investigator who actually originally investigated that case, we really have heard of think. But again, John was like, yo, I'm on a plane, I'm getting to Zimbabwe. I got to interview these people. Like, that says something. when a Harvard psychiatrist is willing to do that. And I'm trying to think, has that documentary come out yet?

There was a, I know there was a documentary in the works. Not yet. I know, there's supposed to come out. It was supposed to come out. Yeah, I think it was supposed to come out

this year or last year, but they've been holding on to it. Yeah. I'm excited. The footage that James Fox has in his documentaries from John Mack. Yes.

Yeah. The Zimbabwe kids is pretty, you know, pretty amazing. James is working on another documentary too. that has a similar, I'll just say, appeal from what I've known and what I see on his Facebook that he's sharing. But I think that's going to be, I don't know when it's going to be released, but it's going to be exciting too. I think it has a very similar feel to the phenomenon, but more in depth than something similar to the aerial school event.

And I would say for one thing, documentary that I don't think a lot of people, that was the secret history of UFOs, which is a Canadian documentary. And I'm forgetting the name of the filmmaker, because I'm old. I've never watched that one. It's amazing. I find some people had trouble getting to watch it because they found like the production style of it felt outdated. You know, where James Fox and stuff seems modern. But, you know, but his was a very sort of casual chatty.

And he's a guy who used to do a documentary work for the Fifth Estate, which is Canada's 60 Minutes and the nature of things. So he was like a serious documentary and journalist. and he did a basically a really solid overview of the whole modern history of UFOs but on top of that he also, on Amazon you can also find

the addendums to it which I think there's three addendums to it and they're all at least two or three hours long and it's just the raw interviews you know with people like Bud Hopkins and David Jacobs and you know and

all the people that are that they interviewed for the movie. So I would recommend watching the addendums, just watching their raw interviews is pretty amazing stuff. Hey guys, Ryan here. The Summer in the Sky's podcast is a labor of love every week. And with that comes many different costs to keep the show running. That's where our Patreon campaign comes in.

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on our show, Vice contributor, Daniel Otis, who just obtained over 20 years of Canadian government UFO files. Insane. Yeah. Like, of course, you know,

the story, would break now in the middle of like another pretty crazy time in our history. This seems to be a running theme when it comes to breaking UFO stories. But this is pretty stunning. The Canadian government gave him all of this. You know, he's been working on it for a really long time. So that's pretty cool. But, you know, Chrissy spoke to him, Dave, about this idea of the reason he was able to obtain a lot of these files from the Canadian government is because a lot of it is not.

classified like it is here in the United States because they're not pinning this this threat potential to it which will automatically increase the chances of something getting classified and and never release so you know Daniel spoke about in Canada we don't worry so much about threat is will they like us exactly well that's my question for you why do you think it is you know in Canada there's this you know A it hasn't been as big of a thing as it has been here in the United States. And B, is it because they don't take that threat kind of narrative that we are getting more from the Canadian government than we would from the United States? But the weird thing is we're getting it now.

But for all these years, no one's bothered to ask, I guess. The weird thing about Canadians is it's just never like, you know, we're seeing. You know, all these, you know, people in the, you know, the U.S. who are doing constant freedom of information act requests, it never occurs to Canadians to ask, you know. You know, oh, it's just, oh, don't. He'll think you, you're being rude. Don't ask the government something that might be secret. So Canadians are, you know, we tend to, we tend to, not to get as involved.

I guess in that sort of thing. Yeah. But definitely, I don't think, yeah, we aren't a a nation that thinks in terms of threats all the time, even though we live next to one of the most dangerous countries in the world. Yeah. And I was just going to say to... I was going to say to Daniel Otis tweeted today,

and I brought it up, it says today, like, and this is movement, and it's probably because of Daniel's article that put some pressure, along with what's happening in the States and the news media. but he wrote, today, Parliament member Larry Maguire MP, asked the government to prepare a written report an identified aerial phenomenon and security at Canadian nuclear facilities and to share the data with the new UAP program.

So that's huge. Yeah, it's huge. And I tweeted, Daniel, I was like, that's probably because of you. And, you know, your article with Vice and he's been doing a lot within the Canadian system him and I have a lot of respect for him as a journalist because he's he literally said he's like I just asked and yeah nobody's been asking so he just asked the right questions at the right time he said and I'm like you know what I'm glad you did and like and he's a really wonderful journalist yeah yeah well I mean as I say Canadians we have a tendency to not um we're only now taking looks at a lot of the very dark parts of our history um yeah and 20 years ago 30 years ago that was unheard of we didn't you know Canadians didn't really you know

we were too embedded in being lovely nice Canada to be very self I guess to examine ourselves very much but it's also a big transition for Vice as a publication since they were pretty

deris of the New York Times article and of the UFO story in general for the last couple of years so it's nice that they're kind of I guess changing their stance and actually looking at the looking at the evidence I was just going to say too

I'm like do you think that news media then is influencing politics because we're kind of seeing that I'm going to say it's not 100% that Daniel Otis stuff is but it kind of makes sense he comes out with an article and then a couple days later

or not even a week later this happens in Canada so do you think that news media is affecting politics, and it could be around the world, or especially in the States. I think it is. It's gradual because the news media is, it does tend to have such a herd mentality. So it's hard to get people to take on the story that nobody else is covering because there's just an assumption, well, if no one else is covering it, it mustn't really be a story. So getting people to just sort of turn that ship around is, it's, it's so. It's

slow. But definitely the media, I know, I don't live in Canada, so I don't see as much of it, but I'll see clips online of Canadian reports on UFOs. And they're gradually, one by one, they all seem to be not playing the X-Files theme anymore. And that's my real gauge of the seriousness of the media is when finally we never hear the, the X-Files theme again unless we're watching the X-Files. Exactly. Right. Because it's automatically, because it is, it's almost like a, it's almost like, you know,

the Manchurian candidate where there's the trigger word, you know, to set the Manchurian candidate off. The, the X-Files theme was the trigger to turn off everybody's brain whenever watching a story about UFOs, you know. No, this is silly. Oh, sit here till it ends, though. Oh, it's over. By Frank Spotnitz or whatever his name was.

Yeah. Christy, I have some really good listener questions for Dave that we got. So Kevin on Twitter asks, have you ever thought? Yeah. I already got a bad feeling about this fellow. Go on, go on. Come on, Kevin. All right, I guess we'll read it.

Yeah, give me the first, Kevin. Have you ever thought of doing a UFO ET abduction themed comedy, similar to say something like People of Earth on TBS, the show that unfortunately got canceled too soon? But yeah, have you ever thought of doing anything like that? Yes, but then they made people of Earth, so I stopped thinking about it. And then people of Earth failed,

so now I can't sell it to anyone else. But, yeah, it was a really good show. I liked it a lot. And I would have loved to have done a show like that. I would have loved to have been a guest on that show. but apparently me hinting about it didn't do any good but no it's hard

I mean I would definitely like you know to do something on the theme yeah I also also really interested in doing something non-comedy on the theme too you know right exactly it would say a lot coming from I think someone like you who's known a lot for comedy

but I've of course like any artist like there's other sides to everyone And I think, you know, this topic is starting to be taken more seriously. There was a short-lived show, I think, on ABC or CBS that was about, like, wreckage that fell to Earth from a UFO craft. Yes, yeah. And it immediately got canceled after like six episodes or something. Oh, did it? I didn't even know it got canceled. I was watching it.

It was pretty good. It was a pretty good show. What was it? Debris. There we go. Debris. I was trying to think of the name of it. Yeah.

Well. Interesting take on sort of the material sciences. avenue of the UFO story. Yeah, I really wanted to see where it was going, but alas, hey, hey, there's always Netflix or Amazon or Hulu, or endless streaming services it could go to. Well, here's another comedian who we love near and dear to our hearts here in the UFO community.

Dan Aykroyd, no, he did not ask this question, I wish. I wish. I've never talked to Dan about UFOs. I would love to some time. That was the question. Oh, have I talked to Dan Aykroyd? No, I have never talked to Dan Aykroyd. Although one of my very good friends is a man named Dave Thomas,

who was one of the stars of SCTV, and who wrote a Dan Aykroyd movie called Spies Like Us, and is brilliant comedian, to me, like one of the guys who inspired me most is a youngster. But I have talked to him about UFOs, and he's, you know, talked to me a bit about some of Dan's, you know, views on UFOs. I've certainly seen Dan's public work about UFOs

over the years. But I've never had a... Most of my conversations with Dan Aykroyd involve me trying to get him to remember that he's met me before. So it never usually goes beyond that. It's always a lot. We have mutual friends.

Dan, we've met before. And it's... Oh, sure, sure, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Excellent, excellent. Good work, good work, good work. Have you tried my, what is it? Like Crystal Skoll vodka.

Yeah, yeah. He's an encyclopedia when it comes to UFO stories. I couldn't believe how many he knows. I remember watching his Joe Rogan interview, and I'm like, what? I never knew you knew so much about UFOs, Dan. I knew he'd love the topic, but I didn't realize he could spit off almost every story. Like he just, and I make sense. He's a storyteller.

You know, he makes sense that he loves them because UFO stories are really great. or abduction stories are really great. And I believe he's kind of a spectrum-y genius for, you know, he has a tunnels in, whatever he takes an interest in, he tunnels in and learns everything. He's one of those guys who just has this intense focus on whatever he's doing at the moment. Right. So you can see where, you know, that he would just plow into it. And he's one of those guys you know he just never care what anyone thinks about him,

about anything. So, you know, he was, so he was obviously way out ahead of the curve of popular, of big figures in popular culture. Oh, for sure. I'm talking about these things. Absolutely. What about your friends over at the kids in the holiday? Like, do they know about your fascination with this topic? What do they think about it?

Have they ever brought enough to you or have you? I think they mostly politely ignore it, you know. I think Scott Thompson's probably a little bit interested in it more than the other guys. You know, Kevin's more interested in soccer. But yeah, I don't think, yeah, I don't think, yeah, I don't think any of those guys are particularly into the subject. Scott a little bit. But that's about it, I think. That's fair, right?

Yeah, Eric and Facebook asks, what is your all-time? favorite sketch from kids in the hall. Nice. That's hard. I would say I would, I don't know if it's my favorite sketch, but it's a sketch that kind of sums up the whole attitude of the group. It's a sketch called Comfortable, which is a sketch about two couples having a polite dinner conversation.

And after dinner, the one of the husbands gets up and starts obviously trying to seduce the other man's wife and everyone just comfortably goes on and you know surely you don't mind me doing this you know we're such good friends and and it it winds up with uh scott picking up my wife played by kevin and having sex with her on the dining room table while i explained to his wife that uh you know that this is fine because i'm impotent anyway so it's a gaslighting sketch yeah yeah i remember that one yeah i remember that one fondly yeah Yeah. So that's, I guess, that's kind of, to me, almost a quintessential kids in the hall sketch.

Yeah. If you can make a, if you can make an American blush and uncomfortable watching sketch comedy, then I think you've done your job, Dave. And I definitely was when I saw that one. And then, yeah, because you also have the other layers of it being, oh, that's really two men on the table back there, not a man and a woman. Right. So there's all layers.

I mean, yeah, the kind of the gender blurring. that we did back in those old shows was right was a big part of what i've what i i i love about the kids in the hall was that we kind of kind of kind of kind of once you bought into the show itself you kind of all notions of gender kind of just flew out the window gender and sexuality where all all just became an amorphous cloud yeah i love it i love that i love that um dallas on facebook says you're one of my favorites day from kids at the hall and news radio all the way up through it's always sunny in philadelphia uh such a big fan super excited for this have you ever heard of things like the big phone home and have you ever considered the possibility of being a part of this

kind of thing with your you know your celebrity status of um trying to pressure either the u.s or Canadian governments into um taking this topic seriously well raising awareness well we were on the big phone home together, weren't we? The podcast, the live podcast. Luis's podcast. Was it the first time you were? That? I think so. With Jeremy, Jeremy was on there. Oh, yes. That was with UFOJ.

UFO Jane. Yeah. UFO Jane. Yeah, so I'm definitely aware of it. And have had a little bit of involvement in it, but I'm not, I can't say that I'm deeply involved with it. That's fair. That is fair, my man. All right. Let's see here. Oh, Brian on Facebook asks, what are your thoughts on UAPs as technological devices, either known terrestrial devices, extraplanetary, or as Terrence McKenna referred to them as

other tenants in the building yet to be revealed? What do you make of these UAP, Dave? What do you think they are? Well, I think my main thing is I think we can't think of it as being one thing. I think it's unlikely that all the UAP are one thing or that there's one source for all of the UAP phenomena. I think some of it is nuts and bolts craft. I mean, first of us, let's just like eliminate, put out all of the misidentifications and, you know, and frauds. Ignore all that.

The stuff that we can pretty much agree are interesting cases. Some of it's nuts and bolts craft. Some of it might be some form of conscious entities in terms of like the spheres that people are seeing and the light spheres. And also just, you know, some of the abduction experiences might be less physical. Although I do think most of the abduction phenomenon seems to be a very physical event that happens in. real time, two people in the real world where they actually do go missing. So I think it is a real physical event. But yeah, but maybe, you know, I guess that Jacques-Falaise long said that this may have more to do with consciousness than technology.

Yeah. But I tend to think that at least a big component of it is technological. And I think, I think, I mean, the press and, I guess the mainstream society still keeps clinging to the idea that, that, well, you know, unidentified doesn't mean alien. And it's probably, you know, you hear all these people coming out with zero reason to say it, saying it's probably dark projects. And certainly some dark projects may lead to some misidentifications.

But I take the U.S. military as word that these are not ours. these craft that they're seeing. And they are not Russian. They are not Chinese. And also people often will cling to the word drone. They go, well, these are drones. Sometimes the military will say they seem to be drones, but by that they mean unmanned,

whether by aliens or humans, that the craft seem to be often too small to have anyone inside them. So they refer to those as drones, but that is not an explanation for what they are. so people will go well you know i heard they said those triangles were drones and yes they did say that but they also said we don't know whose drones where they're from they don't function in the way that any drone that we know of can uh but they believe they were drones simply because

of what they perceived the size of them to be um so uh so i'm rambling on but uh so i think so i think some of it is nuts and bolts and and and the notion that any other country has this technology is ludicrous um because i think we're we're seeing right now with the ukraine um how limited we are and how we can respond to the challenges of the world we live in that that basically if a nuclear armed nation decides it's going to do something we now kind of are looking at the fact of how impotent our, you know, our traditional military equipment is in the face of a nuclear-armed belligerent. You know, and of course people can say the same about us, but, but here we're seeing the tragic outcome of not being able to fight, not having the tools to battle, because we're

afraid of unleashing nuclear weapons. And so as a result, we have, we're allowing a large country to invade a small country and murder its citizens and flatten its cities. And we can do nothing about it. So if we had this technology, this wouldn't be happening in Ukraine right now. And if the Russians had this technology, they wouldn't be invading Ukraine right now because they would have already taken over the whole world. Lots of places can expose you to identity theft. Oh, no.

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Save up to 40% your first year at LifeLock. slash special offer terms apply yeah same thing is if the chinese had this technology we don't you know we would we would be living under uh the hegemony of either the uh the chinese or the russians if they had this technology and if we had this technology everyone would be too afraid to move yeah i i am aligned with that you know i agree the stuff that's going on in russia or so the stuff that's going on in Crane with Russia is a prime example of, you know, we know Russia doesn't have that tech for sure. You know, I'm still like at China. You know, I'm still, they have a lot of stuff that's coming out in their defense side with planes. You know, they have something that's similar

to like an SR 72 or SR 71 that's been coming out. I think just recently they released it. And the tech is something that I don't even think we have that, that we know. So things are happening on that side. But I agree with you. If they had it, they would be, they would be ruling the world already by now. You know, there are, China's going that way economically. Yeah. And everything including like all black projects that have become public throughout the modern era. Everything that's gone from being top secret black money projects to publicly admitted

has only been incremental increases in technology. Nothing revolutionary has ever come out of a black project. only slight incremental increases in abilities, you know, whether it's jets, you know, going from prop planes to jets, from jets to supersonic jets, we're still looking at a source of propulsion and lift surfaces and control surfaces. And essentially, there's no difference. There's no fundamental difference between the best jets we're flying today and what the Wright

brothers put up in the air. The physics are exactly the same. We're just better at manipulating the physics than the Wright brothers were. So to think that we said that somehow there's a black project

that absolutely eliminates inertia and and defies the apparently defies the laws of physics and time and space.

And you have to assume that that's what the data is showing. So if somebody had that, there would be no reason to spend all the money that we're spending on pumping jet fuel out of the back of a glider.

You know, which is all that, everything is. Everything we have, is basically just a paper glider with a better engine. Well, let's wrap up the listener questions here, Dave, because we've got just a couple closing ones here for you. All right, if you hate your listeners, that's your business. Let's see here. A.I. Yeah, A.I. McC. asks through email,

Dave, why do you think these mother efforts keep casting you for your voice rolls when your face is clearly the golden ticket? it. Best question ever. I don't know. Well, first off, I don't share your fondness for my face. And I've never understood people's fondness for my voice. I've always, is a, like most people, I think, I hate the sound of my own voice.

And when I hear it recorded, I go, my God, why would anyone hire someone that sounds like that? But I've come to realize over the years that apparently I have a distinctive voice. and I learned years ago that it's a very, I'm almost impossible to impersonate. Oh, wow. Which is interesting because I remember Disney at one point tried to hire someone to impersonate me for the Bugsland at California Adventure. They tried to hire someone and my friend John Lasseter, the genius John Lasseter, heard this recording of somebody trying to sound like me and went, that's not Dave, what's what? and got very mad at them and it's just that they hire me to do it.

Which makes sense. Yeah. Why she would hire the original person? I remember you telling you a story, Dave, about you doing an audition for it. And they were like, you're like, you're already got it. And you're like, or are they something to the extent that you were like, let's do this. Yeah. Can you tell the story better?

It's your story. Yeah, it was one of the things. Well, first of all, I got, I originally I was going to audition for the part of the stick insect that David Hydeers played. but I got bumped the day of the auditions because Carol Burnett came in and they said you mind Carol Burnett's here and I said of course I'll yes Carol Burnett she's she's yes she's royalty of course you take Carol Burnett before you take me and so I had to go back to work at news radio and then they felt guilty about

bumping me because that's the kind of people you know the Pixar people are and so they let me come in to read for the flick character instead And I think they were just doing it to be nice. But they liked what I was doing so much. As we were talking, they started reshaping the character and going, yeah, well, the way he's doing it, yeah, the character could do this and this and this, based on what I was doing in the audition. And at one point I had to stop them and say, guys, you haven't hired me yet.

And they went, right, right, yes, well, we'll be getting back to you. Right. You know you've landed it when they're, yeah, when they're molding the character around you during an audition. That's a good sign. They were rewriting the script. I mean, the power. Insert Dave Foley's face now and voice.

And that's my whole history of that company is that they just don't function like other companies. They just all about the art and all about just pursuing whatever ideas exact them. It's beautiful. It's good to hear. The fact that they've made billions of dollars doing that is pretty remarkable.

Yeah. It definitely says something. Well, Dave. Hope. hope for the future. We all need it right now in so many different ways, but especially with the UFO topic. What do you hope for in 2022 when it comes to this topic of UFOs, UAP? We've come a long way in the past couple years, but there's still a long way to go. What do you hope? And what should we focus on? I'm hoping we get to the point where whatever it is that Lou Alizondo clearly wants us to know he knows. but that he can't tell us, and then he keeps hinting it, I'm hoping that that we get to the point where we can hear what those facts are. And I've also heard of Hal put off intimate, that there's some really much, there's some really big stuff that we don't know yet, that is known. So I would love it if those knowns, because it's still going to be mystery, I think,

but I'd love to have those knowns those known those things that someone knows be something that we can all know and then on the negative side I think we also have to look at Ukraine and for the people who think that the phenomenon

is here to save us you can look at the Ukraine and go pretty clearly that's not something they're interested in doing you know because we're you know we're standing by and watching this because we have nuclear weapons and because they have nuclear weapons yeah and and because we're all addicted to oil um and so those those two things our addiction to oil and our fear of nuclear war are forcing all of us NATO allies to basically sit on our hands and and and wave a finger at russia and the aliens aren't going to stop it. History yet to be written.

Well, I mean, on a brighter note, Dave, hopefully there's things we can look forward to while, you know, there always should be, and we hope humans can be resilient enough to do such. But in terms of what you are doing, my man, you are helping to legitimize a topic that has, has been delegitomized for a very long time. And by your people, by your people alone. Yeah. Comedians have done a huge amount of damage.

Yeah. Yeah, but it's never too late to rebuild. And I think we're on our way when it comes to this topic. And I got to ask before we go, when can we expect to see the kids in the hall and everything else you're up to, man, if you don't mind teasing? Well, the new kids in the hall season, is how we're referring to it

is season six of the kids in the hall is going to start on Amazon in May. I don't know the exact date, but it's going to be sometime in May. There's also going to be South by Southwest in a matter of days now. We're going to South by Southwest

because they're going to premiere a two-part documentary that's going to be on Amazon as well called, I think it's called Kids in the Hall Comedy Punks. Nice. Yeah, although I like the original title better that Amazon wouldn't go for, which was the kids in the hall, hard to kill, which is a reference to one of our very early sketches where we had a line about a guy, easy to beat up, hard to kill. Right.

But yeah, but I think it's called Comedy Punks now, and it's a two-part documentary on the history of the kids in the hall. That's awesome. I'm looking forward to that. Me too. Me too. Awesome. Dave. Well, before we go, is there anywhere people can reach you to chat UFOs or just have a good old conversation with you? I guess really just Twitter, I guess, really.

I'm on there a lot. But I'm trying to think there's no, I guess there's nowhere else, really. Mostly Twitter. I'm on Instagram, but I rarely look at it. And Facebook, never. I only have Facebook so my Oculus works. Yeah, I know the feeling well. Yeah, it's amazing how quickly Facebook has become a relic now in the age of Twitter. And speaking of my Oculus, here's a little tip for people out there.

And if you're out there in one of the sort of chat areas in virtual reality and you run into someone like me, don't say you're oldest shit. Really? Yeah. You know, as we get, oh, man, you're old. You're old as shit. And I go, rude. Yeah, yeah. I said, well, I was pretty honest with my avatar.

You know. God for me. I wasn't trying to hide it. I got my avatar's got gray hair. Have some manners. It's going to be so mean. I don't know. Well, we'll see in the metaverse.

That's where we're going to see you next. Yes. That's where we're heading next. Yeah. For sure. Awesome. Catch on simulation theory. No, right.

We didn't go there. We'll have to have you back to talk about it. We've been more than gracious with your time, my man. So once again, thank you. Thank you so much for coming on somewhere in disguise today. Thank you. Thank you so much. And again, I continue to enjoy both your work separately,

and it's really fun to see you guys working together. That's awesome. Thanks, Dave. Cheers.