Somewhere in the Skies - HELLIER 2 with Greg Newkirk and Connor J. Randall

Episode Date: December 9, 2019

On episode 138 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, Ryan is joined by Greg Newkirk and Connor J. Randall, members of the investigative team and executive producers of HELLIER an independent paranormal documentary series. They discuss the highly anticipated second season that digs deeper in to the mysteries surrounding Hellier and beyond. In 2012, Greg Newkirk received an email from a man calling himself David Christie, who claimed that he and his family were being terrorized by unearthly creatures by night. After exchanging emails, David disappeared. For the next five years, the case only got stranger, as more connections and mysterious emails came in. Then, in 2017, Greg and a team of researchers traveled to rural Kentucky, not knowing what they would uncover, or how deep they would discover the case might go. ​But the Hellier project didn't stop there. Despite spending hundreds of hours in the editing bay and releasing season one to much acclaim in January of 2019, the team continued to research and explore, and the case only blossomed. After thousands of miles of driving, months of research and filming, Hellier now returns in November 2019 with a full second season run, comprised of ten full-length episodes. To learn more, visit: www.Hellier.tv Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan's Book by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is sponsored by HelloFresh. To receive 50% off your first order, use promo code: SOMEWHERE at checkout by visiting www.HelloFresh.ca Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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To contribute and to learn more, visit www.patriot.com. Somewhere Skies. Thank you for your support. And now on with the show. I'm naturally a paranoid person. You can ask Connor, Carl, or anybody about it. I'm probably the most paranoid person in this group. But I think the further down this path we went, the more paranoid everybody else got, too.

I think the hardest thing about Hellier is bringing people into that moment with us. It is putting people in our shoes and going, how would you react if you got these emails. How would you react if you started noticing that there were connections between this email and this thing that's happening to you? How would you feel if you started to realize there's someone or something watching and potentially pulling strings? This is somewhere in the skies with Brian's bread. Following a frightening new lead into the mysterious paranormal activity hiding in the shadows of the Appalachian Mountains, researchers, Greg and Dana Newkirk, along with Connor Randall, Carl Fyfer, and Tyler Strand,

find themselves further down the rabbit hole of high strangeness than ever before, from chasing modern-day sightings of supernatural entities like Indrid Cold and the Mothman to venturing directly into the underground mazes of the mammoth cave system and attempting dangerous parapsychological experiments with disturbing results. 2 of Hell Year follows every thread to get to the heart of the phenomena behind the elusive David Christie and the cryptic Terry Rist. Today we're talking to Greg and Connor about their personal experiences with this season of Hell Year and what you should expect watching the investigation play out as they journey further down the rabbit hole. Let's get to our conversation

with Greg Newkirk and Connor Randall. I am here with Greg Newkirk and Connor Randall. Guys, thank you for joining me on someone this, guys, literally days after the release of Season 2 of Hellier. So thank you, thank you for doing this. Dude, we're excited to be here. Yeah, this is the first interview that I've done post-release, so I'm excited to talk about it. Ooh, throwing you to the wolves, my man. This is good, I'll go easy on you, I promise.

Well, that kind of leads into my first question for both of you. I just finished the last episode moments ago before we hopped on here. So this is fresh in my mind. It's going to be really fun. My first question for both of you, Greg, let's start with you. How has it been received so far? I know it's only been a couple days, but what's the feedback been like in relation to just everything? Ah, man, unbelievable, completely unexpected.

I mean, here's the thing. I mean, we knew it was good. We thought it was good. Of course, we're always going to think it was good. And we thought it was going to have a really great response, but we are absolutely blown away. I'm stunned, frankly, at how well received it's been because there's some weird ideas in there

and some things you don't normally get to see on TV shows like this. So to see it be really, really embraced this weekend, its launch weekend, you know, was trending. on Amazon Prime's trending TV. It's still trending. I think, in fact, Connor, if I'm correct, yeah, it is. I know. Yes, I just checked like an hour ago, still there, still growing. So that's got to be an incredible feeling. Connor, what do you think, man? How has it been so far? This is sort of your your first dive into the world of Hellyer with these guys. I mean, you did season one as well, but this is a whole other level, I would imagine. It is. And I am so proud that

it's being received the way it was. You know, we were pretty, I like to think, fairly knowledgeable in season one, but we were stumbling around a lot. And really, if you think about it, it was filmed over a pretty condensed period of time, a much shorter period of time. Season two just took place over, you know, 15 entire months,

and we really sat and we dug into the research really hard. We were nervous that people were going to be thrown off or confused because, hey, we're confused. But that's part of the beauty of it. And people are accepting it and loving it. And we're just, we're just beaming from, from ear to ear these last three days, man.

That's amazing. I mean, you mentioned Stumble, and that's a really good way to look at something like what you guys are doing. I mean, this isn't some scripted reality show where you've got this structure of how the first, second, and third act are going to play out. I mean,

you guys literally filmed things as they were happening. And this is completely, different from most paranormal television we're used to seeing where you kind of know kind of like a police procedural how everything is going to pan out we're going to we're going to hear about a ghost we're going to figure out who the ghost is we're going to figure out what the ghost has to say to you and that's kind of it you know and this is something completely next level and um i remember carl was in new york city here maybe a few months ago and i was talking to him this is just after the first season had sort of wrapped in a um i remember carl was in a little bit of the first season had sort of wrapped

And I'm like, is there going to be a season two? And what's it going to be about? And I just remember he shook his head and he looked at me and he said, let's go get some drinks. So, yeah, that was exciting when I knew that you guys were not done with this because clearly the phenomena was not done with you guys. So I guess sort of to catch people up, could one of you maybe explain to us sort of the origin story of Hellyer? I know that's a huge broad spectrum question. But what did the first season sort of encapsulate for you guys to kind of propel us into season two? Greg, maybe let's start with you.

The short story is in 2012, I got an email from a guy who said that there were goblins. He didn't use the word goblins, but there were little creatures coming out of a mine shaft on the edge of his property. And they were scaring his kids. They were stealing stuff out of his shed. They stole his dog. I thought, well, we get weird emails like that all the time, just the nature of what we do. And I thought, well, I was just somebody screwing around. They just, you know, want me to write a story about it for Weekend Weird.

And I sent back my stock response, which is, listen, you know, I'm living in Canada right now. It's going to be very difficult time consuming for me to get down there and check it out. You're going to have to give me some proof that you're not jerking my chain. And he sends along all these photographs of these really weird three-toed footprints. And these, you know, in typical paranormal fashion, very out of focus, blurry photographs that he says are of the creatures. And, you know, the photographs of the prints were enough to get me excited about it because, you know, these, you know, sending it to the first people I could think of who knew anything about weird footprints were bigfoot hunters. And these bigfoot hunters were like, well, you know, man, these things look like they have dermal ridges. You might want to take this a little more seriously.

And so I said, all right, let's go. I'm in. Where do I have to go? And he disappeared. And after that, I got an email from a guy who went by the name Terry R. R. R. And he said, you know, why did you stop? You know, Hellier was a symptom. And the only reference I can find of this guy is in a really obscure book by Alan Greenfield,

a ritual magician and uophologist who interviews Terry Rist in the appendix of his book which is all about summoning extraterrestrial creatures and repelling extraterrestrial creatures via ritual magic. Really strange stuff that a not not the type of stuff that I dabbled in back then. I was a ghost hunter back then. So it just made the whole thing weirder.

And then the case just sort of sat until Dana and I ended up moving to the States and decided to go check out Hellier, the town where this all happened. And when we were there, the town had a weird feel. There were people who had weird stories. We ended up going and driving around, and we found a house that looked so much like it could have been the place that this happened. This could have been this David's house.

It hit all the boxes. And then we got super busy after that. We meant to go back and follow up and see what was going on. But we ended up going and doing an episode of Finding Bigfoot. And then our careers just kind of popped off. And so we never went back. Years later, Carl, here's an interview with Jim Perry, actually, me talking about this case.

And he experienced all these synchronicities with it. And he contacted me and said, I think we're supposed to do this, man. I think we're supposed to go follow up on this. Which I wasn't even, I mean, it was like, come on, man, we're not going to find goblins. What do you think is going to happen? But Carl pushed.

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at Whole Foods Market. Right, I know, which kind of is where we were left with the first season of Hellier is a lot more questions than answers. I mean, we were there with you trying to figure the shit out. And you did mention Ellen Greenfield, sort of a legend for a lot of us UFO people. He's like one of the OGs when it comes to mixing UFO. For sure. The occult. And he kind of set up this cipher content.

for your journey. So what was it like, first of all, for both of you to work with Alan Greenfield on this? Connor, what was that experience like? It's kind of funny. We've gone through this personality sort of shift in our ideas on Alan Greenfield. He has gone from this really mysterious, very suspicious figure to somebody that we're actually, you know, Greg is in fairly regular contact with now who's like going through the mystery with us um he had this strange shift of being suspect number one to suddenly being like oh wait no this this guy this figure that alan greenfield knew this terry wrist we think was actually a real person you know a bit of a spoiler there but we're sitting there and it's like well hold on what can allan greenfield

tell us what does he know what was he onto back then And where can we sort of continue that work, you know? Yeah, yeah. I mean, when you guys brought up the fact that Terry Riss might be an actual person, like I got goosebumps. Because, again, it's like this omnipresent sort of metaphorical figure that I also was convinced was Alan Greenfield. I mean, the guy is just a walking enigma. I've had, you know, brief encounters with him.

came with when I bought Secret Cipher of the Euphonauts, my first copy of it. And I don't think I've ever told you guys this story. I told Carl, but when I got the book, straight from Greenfield, mind you, I opened it up in the first couple pages. They're literally printed, like diagonal on the page. Like, they're shooting off the page. I can't see half the text. And I'm like, what is this? Like, there must have been like a mix up with the printer or whatever.

And I'm going through the book. and it's just sporadic pages throughout that had like this weird diagonal print. So I'm missing half the text of the book. And I call my father, who has been in the printing business for almost, God, 30 years now. I'm like, is this like, it's diagonal on the page, but then the next page isn't. And this one, like three pages more in is. And he just told me, like, that's highly unusual. That should not happen.

It's, you know, it would either be the entire text. or like, you know, just the first page until they figure it out. So I tried to contact Greenfield to be like, yuck, look, dude, you sent me a faulty book, and I never heard anything back from him. So that was kind of my weird introduction to his work is I wanted to read it, but I literally could not. So I don't know. I don't know what to make of all that. But yeah, Greg, what did you walk away after this season thinking of Mr. Greenfield?

Oh, I'm in love with him now. I think he's great. Yeah, he is so funny because we, like Connor said, we had a very distinct opinion of him before we ended up going. And I mean, I'd emailed him back and forth. And he's just, you know, he's very enigmatic. He's an enigmatic guy. And we had built up this idea in our heads of this guy who's this ritual magician and he's very mysterious. And we go to meet him and the dude shows up in like a Hawaiian shirt and just proceeds.

dinner to just blast out all of these opinions that we had of him and was exceedingly exceedingly helpful and you know like like connor said we've still been in contact with him you know he he offers up his thoughts on things and he's been extremely helpful and i think this is the cool thing is i don't think that our experience with him is very unique to us i think that a lot of people feel the same way about some of these big figures and old school ufology or or you know paranormal research or parapsychology or or cryptozoology or whatever and so because of that they they sort of keep their distance but one of the things i hope people take out of hellier we interview a lot of people

and it was not hard to do that all we had to do is ask and we got to go and sit and get this information direct from these people who strangely enough there's like nobody talking to It's really weird. That is a very good point. I think there is this sort of line in the sand between the quote-unquote new guard or old guard of any of this. Hephology, cryptozoology. I feel like the younger people getting involved are intimidated, to say the least. I mean, you look at these juggernauts, keel and in Greenfield and all these old school researchers who went out there, did the work, boots on the ground, traveled the country.

traveled the country, interviewed people, made connections. And you look today at a lot of the work that we do, the younger generation, is by the click of a few keystrokes. Right. Which isn't, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. No, no, no, no. There's room for that, for sure. But there are certain things. We've learned this firsthand through Hellier.

There are certain things that you just cannot understand or have context for unless you just boots on the ground. Go. Go and do the interview. Go to that place. Feel what that place feels like. See that street and try and remember or think about how that street would have looked when these events took place. And I think it's gotten too easy to not do that now. And that's a lesson we had to learn. And I hope that it's a lesson other people will learn from us and then not make the same mistake and just go. Go to these places. Don't just sit on your computer and Google Earth it. Go there. Talk to these people. people. Exactly, which is what you guys did. And you actually brought a new member to the team. Yeah, let's get to it. Mr. Tyler Strand, I'd never heard of this guy before. The minute you put him on camera, I'm like, whoa, I feel like I just drank 10 Red Bulls. Your monster energy drinks. Oh, apologies, 666, yeah. That's a different story. So what prompted you You did to reach out to Tyler

And what did he bring to the team In your furthering this investigation? Tyler reached out to us Okay I think the phenomena Put him into this series I really see no other solution to it You know he if people watch season one

They actually catch a glimpse of him And it was a synchronicity that made him show up Oh interesting okay yeah I must have missed that in the first season but yeah he did he brought like a whole new level of energy and passion that was there but that that i think a lot of the more adventurous of those out there who look into this stuff he's not afraid to go into the belly of the beast you know i mean he is just climbing mountains he's going into the caves he's he literally had like a throwdown i think gregg with you about pursuing a certain lead or coordinates where you're you're You guys, you put the line in the sand and said, fuck, no, I'm not doing that. And he said, well, then I'll do it. And something else about Tyler that stuck out to me, one line in an episode. I don't want to give away too much.

But he said, I think one man's angel is another man's alien. And that line resonated with me in so many ways. I literally, when he said that, I was like, hell yeah, that is exactly what I've been trying to say for years. sort of that lens and the life that each person has. It directly affects their perception of an experience, whether it's what you guys are doing, whether it's aliens, whether it's a miracle or the supernatural. So I'd love to know both your personal thoughts on that,

you know, sort of the lens in which you perceive one of these events. You know, it's funny, that statement is one that Tyler made in his interview. And, you know, about a week after, And when he said that, especially given what he had just been through, you know, without giving too many spoilers. But it sort of brought home his perspective where I think he was really thrown off by these things where, you know, he's not scared. I mean, Tyler's really not scared of much, honestly, in my experience.

But he was really felt this intimidating energy and really summed it up very succinctly by saying that. I come from a little bit of a differing viewpoint because I'm, you know, I'm practicing Catholic. And so there are some pretty clear lines in the sand there. From my viewpoint, I think there's darker or scarier aspects of this case. And I think that there's lighter aspects of this case. And so whatever we can tap into to get help from those from those lighter energies is something that I'm definitely interested in looking more, more into. Yeah.

Interesting. How about you, Craig? I mean, I'm sure it ebbed and flowed every minute. Like you're dealing with goblins. Then you're dealing with communicating with aliens. Nope, nope, nope. It's not an alien. It's a mythical god that everyone's forgotten.

You know, just everything, everything. So what is, what's that concept to you mean, you know, this idea of one man's angel is another's alien? I think what Tyler did is he really succinctly summed up a lot of what we started this case with, which was this idea that there was some phenomena happening in the Appalachians, along the mammoth cave system, but because these places were so segregated from one another, people had given the phenomena different names. So someone would call it one thing, and another person would call it another. It was a Tommy knocker, or it was a goblin,

or it was, you know, who knows, whatever. It was a big foot. But when you start to tie all all those things together, you realize, it's all the same thing. It's just different names because people didn't have the context. So Tyler saying one man's angel is another man's alien is the most succinct way to really show what we're looking at with this entire case is that it's just about the lens through which you view the world. You can only describe something in the terms that you understand. And so for one person, an external force that seems omnipotent, you know, that's, that's an angel. But for another person, that might be an extraterrestrial. And for another person, who knows? It could be, it could be anything else. Yeah, there's entire books. You know, I'm sure that you

know more about this than I do, Ryan. Looking at angelic and biblical proportions through sort of a euphological lens, that's fascinating. The other thing is like, and Tyler said it, well as well in an interview he did recently. These reports from about goblins specifically, the thing is, is that we sort of gave them that blanket term goblins. David never actually referred to them as goblins. He referred to them as extraterrestrials and then gave that description that really fit well with the 1955 case. In addition, there's other reports of people who call them golems, people who call them little beings, little men, you know, things like that. The reports are all over the place, which frankly makes the job a little bit more difficult.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, I think something that I think all three of us sort of have in common or had in common is our faith. I mean, Greg, I remember you saying in the show, you know, you were, you were raised very, very religious. Connor, I know you're a practicing Catholic. I am myself. And that does play into a lot of these things. I remember reading for the first time about the you know, the sightings of Fatima and that now we look at something like that as perhaps one of the first UFO sightings, something J.F. L.A. has talked a lot about. So it's exciting to me when you can come into these things with one faith and come out with it, respecting perhaps another faith. So I found that really fascinating. The things you decided to tackle in this season were big. They're big. They're controversial, and I just, I have to commend you guys for just staying open to everything that was sort of thrown your way. And that's, that's, that can't be easy, I would assume. Well, we're, we're constantly scared.

Oh, it's so true. I could only imagine. Well, that's actually a really good, a good transition, Greg. being scared. Now, you guys are kind of led down some dark roads in one place in particular that you end up in this season. And it was scary, man. I'm not going to lie. I was literally concerned for your guy's safety. I mean, we knew Hellier Season 2 was coming out and we knew you guys were still on social networks. But, you know, what you may have experienced in the filming, well, we weren't quite sure of. So what was, what was. is it like struggling with sort of this idea of like becoming too paranoid I've seen a lot of the chatter

online sort of the skeptics or the detractors of the ambitious things that you guys are doing saying oh they're just paranoid like they're making shit up along the way or finding connections that aren't there how do you deal with something like that when every

small thing becomes a synchronicity for you I mean I think that's one of the biggest things in the second season. The second season is us tackling this idea of at what point is it a connection and at what point is it a synchronicity? At what point are, is it a small synchronicity and something maybe that's just a side effect of what we're doing and where we're going and what we're looking into? And that's, I mean, that was a big part of our paranoia. You know, plus some of the new scarier elements that are sent to us in this case and some of the paths that we

very reluctantly traveled down because honestly we had to uh those didn't help either and i mean i'm i'm naturally a paranoid person you can ask connor carl or anybody about it i'm probably the most paranoid person in this group but i think the further down this path we went the more paranoid everybody else got too except maybe tyler because tyler just doesn't care but it's it's tough it's i think the hardest thing about hellier is bringing people into that moment with us uh which i think we've done a really really good job of this season it is putting people in our shoes and going how would you react if you got these emails how would you react if you started noticing that there were connections between this email and this thing that's

happening to you, how would you feel if you started to realize there's someone or something watching and potentially pulling strings? And I think we feel that more in this second season. I think just because it's objectively a darker and scarier season than the first season. And the connections are so much more hard to deny. I mean, there's a lot of people who probably won't give Hellier a second chance because they saw the first season. and thought, well, you know, I think they're making a mountain out of a molehill. The thing is, we said from the very beginning, season one is just a prologue.

We started shooting season two months before season one was even released. So we've had to keep our mouths shut about this for a long time. In fact, the sixth episode of the 10 episode second season is the release of the first season. So people can see how things have moved. So anyone who felt that way after watching the first season, I would say, with a super huge amount of confidence, watch the second season and you will reevaluate all of the things that happened in the first season and see how important they actually were. Absolutely. I think I'm going to go watch everything in reverse now and see what comes out on the other side. Connor, what do you think, man?

How did you deal with sort of the paranoia aspect of all this, feeling like you guys? feeling like you guys might you might have been led that that's terrifying to me it is it absolutely is you know Greg is the one at the heart of this case you know we all have are helping him out and are and our this has become our case too but at its base form this is Greg's case before anybody else's the emails were sent to him the idea of somebody watching what he's doing and watching my friend go through that paranoia. I mean, I've seen Greg get very emotional on all of their sides of the spectrum about this case. So it's something that's deeply personal. It is really difficult to describe what a synchronistic aspect is like. And I hope that there's, I'm sure there's listeners

that are shaking their heads know, like, that what are you talking about? And I'm sure there's listeners who are fully agreeing with me. Things like when you are thinking about something, you open up a book and exactly the sentence that you look at is the word that you were thinking about, except sometimes tenfold more powerful than that. It feels as if there's some force that is wanting to guide you through these checkpoints. It's something that we've struggled with trying to explain. But as we said pretty early on in season two,

we think that it might just be sort of once people tap into this level of high strangeness, it might just be a side effect of something that that can occur around you while you're doing that. Yeah. Yeah, this idea of symptom, symptom, side effect. It just keeps coming back and back and back, which builds onto a greater question towards the end of season two, I would say. But we won't. We're not going to give anything away in terms of that. But something that fascinated me, guys, I am a UFO guy, so I got to turn it back on this for a minute.

The experiment you conducted, Greg, early on before any of this, where you induced an alien abduction experience. Holy shit, man. What did you think about that? Well, okay. So I've struggled. Honestly, yeah. Yeah. I've always struggled with hypnotic regression when it comes to experiences.

I have to say this. I don't suggest it to those who come to me and say I've been abducted by aliens. Of course not. Not because I don't believe memories can be brought up. I'm more concerned about the trauma those memories can cause to the person afterwards. Interesting. I don't necessarily think that they're being led or that the hypnotic regressor quote unquote is trying to put their agenda on anything.

You think they're buried for a reason. Absolutely. I honestly do. And I've had so many experiencers who don't need the regression to remember certain things. And that's when I'm like, okay, don't go to hypnotherapy. Go to a therapist, a certified therapist who has no connection to aliens or UFOs whatsoever. Because you need, you just need help. You don't need to know what happened on that craft necessarily.

You just need help. So this was really fascinating. When I learned that you conducted an experiment where you put someone under and put implanted an alien abduction scenario into their mind. So how did that whole thing come about? And how did it sort of play into the greater story of hellier? Well, the experiment happened because we were shooting a web series years ago, 2012, 2013, and it was me, my friend's Nick, Jason, and Dana. And the whole point of the show that we were trying to make was we're going to go and like test drive stuff, weird stuff, right? So the name of the show was engaging the strange.

and that's kind of been our motto for a lot of the stuff that we do with Planet Weird is like engage the strange the paranormal is a subjective thing so you have to subject yourself to it and that was the goal of this series and so we went around we were swimming in fountain of youths

we were drinking blood with vampires we were you know we we tried to get abducted by aliens that was the goal let's get abducted by aliens now as Connor and Carl will tell you I'm a person who doesn't like to do something if I don't know it's a sure thing. I want to have an idea of what's going to happen,

right? I want to know that there's an end. So Hellier's been a very difficult, a difficult project for me to work on. I'm better now than I was before. But because of that, I kind of knew we weren't going to get abducted by aliens. I had low hopes for that at least. So I reached out to a friend of mine who did some writing for weak and weird and I said, Lonnie, you're a hypnotist. I know that you do, you know, I don't, Lonnie never did these because he didn't, he didn't agree that they were ethical. But I was like, I know that a lot of people do regression sessions for abductees. But do you think you could put an alien abduction in somebody's head?

And he's like, yeah, absolutely. Of course I can. But I'm never going to do that. He's like, that's terrible. And I was like, what if we all agree? He's like, absolutely not. And then he was like, you know what? I thought about it.

I think we should try it. As long as you know, I'm only going to do it for one of you. And as long as you know that you're all on the same place and I can put the idea in, but sometimes it might be a bit harder to get out. And so this idea was we tried to get abducted the old-fashioned way. And since that didn't work, let's try it a different way. And we went into it purely as a, you know, what's this experience going to be like? We're going to get to send one of our friends on this journey into his own mind and then interview him afterwards.

We'd see how it would line up with traditional abduction experiences. How was it the same? How was it different? How much did Lonnie have to lead him into this situation? How much would his mind fill in? It happened, when it happened, it wasn't supposed to be Jason that went. We were going to send our friend Nick. And Jason, before Lonnie had shown up,

like spent half an hour talking about how he didn't believe in hypnosis and how when he was in high school you know he did one of those like local fair hypnosis things and he just played along and when i brought this up you know i was like listen you know jason doesn't believe in hypnosis should we believe in hypnosis lonny went you know what i think he's the perfect victim the world not victim he's the perfect he's the perfect he's the perfect experiencer for this And so that's why he ended up going. And it resulted in a really frightening experience. You know, he was only under for 20, 30 minutes.

And he had an experience that was four days long. And it wasn't a nice one. And he was barely led into that experience. And it really changed my opinion on what's happening with a lot of abduction phenomena to believing that a lot of the stuff that's happening during these abduction experiences and we've hung out and talked to abductees since then and they have agreed there's a non-physical aspect that happens to these and a lot of those abductees are like all you did was turn him on you you invited them to give him an ex a non-physical experience that's just as real as any physical

experience and it really uh it frightened us the implications of that i mean i i work here in new york on Broadway and I'm currently working a production of Darren Brown on Broadway, the mentalist. Oh, wonderful. I love Darren. He's amazing. And that's the thing. I was never a big proponent

of hypnosis. I've said it many, many times and I watch this guy, eight shows a week put someone under with literally putting their own hand in front of their face just like you guys did. And catching them in the most

vulnerable mental state they can possibly be and going under. And short-circuiting their brains. Oh, my God. It's amazing. And it's scary to see how easily that happens, right? So easy. I mean, if, if like the military got all these mentalists together, imagine. Imagine what they could do with these people. Who says they're not? That's, yeah. That's a whole other season of failure. Yeah, that's the idea. Or of Darren Brown, I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, so he goes under, he has this incredible abduction story coming home. And this kind of plays into the bigger picture of Hellier and communicating with possible non-human entities, which I found fascinating. Regarding the experiment, the hypnosis experiment with Jason, there's three things that could have possibly happened in my mind. Because we know that he was hypnotized and was not faking it.

So dismissing that, there's three possibilities that I could think of. He, first up, maybe his subconscious made it up. Why his subconscious would do that? I have no idea. I think some of the more likely scenarios would be either number two, two, he already had something happened to him, and it was a potential accidental regression. Or number three, he was tapped in. He was tapped into an experience and to some sort of higher level of beings or something, and it just sort of created a quick shortcut to get to that

sort of an experience. And so going forward, our thought was, well, shoot, Greg, you had this really interesting, scary idea to do this. If he was tapped in and were potentially dealing with with extraterrestrials or aliens or ultra-terrestrials in this case, why don't we try to get tapped in? So that was that thought process there. Yeah. And that sort of bleeds into Carl in his influence and contributions this season, not only shooting a beautiful series, but also going under.

himself again putting himself out there like all of you did throughout this season and he had a very sort of vital message concerning um gateways fringe you know this this whole ultra terrestrial extraterrestrial uh i i don't even know i can't find words to describe anything i'm trying to ask you guys and i think that's hellier well listen let me let me let me let me provide context for this. Please do. Because when we decided to do this, when we decided to do this, there are a few reasons. And one of them was, at the time, we thought that one of the emails that Terry Wrist had sent,

you know, there were coordinate points in it. That's what we believed that these were, coordinate points to Brown Mountain. And one of the things that Connor jogged loose in one of our interviews was, is there anything else that you could have been doing at Brown Mountain? Well, the reason that we went to Brown Mountain was to try and get abducted by aliens. The alien cave base thing, you know, hanging out with Micah Hanks, you know, it was just an offhand comment, you know, somewhat sarcastic that Micahanks had made about, oh, there's this person who thinks there's an alien cave base here. And we just, our brains just went, oh, hellier. We weren't there for that.

We were there to try and get abducted. And so that put a new context for those emails that said, why did you stop when you were. were so close in coordinates that appeared to be at Brown Mountain. So that's part of the reason we did this. We thought maybe we were supposed to do this. And then when it came to actually doing this experiment again, we did it a little bit differently because the experiment we'd done with Jason didn't end very well. He actually genuinely started to believe that he had been abducted by aliens and had to work

with Lonnie for a long time afterwards to. erase it more or less. We interviewed him years later, which people see in season two. And not only does he believe in extraterrestrials, which he did not before, he had a fear of extraterrestrials. Like he got nervous at the very discussion of this experiment. So it had changed his personality in a fundamental way. We didn't want to do that exactly again. So we kind of reworked it a little bit.

And when it came time to choose who was going to go, it really came down to Carl and Connor because it's, I don't think it's secret. Carl and Connor are the most objective people on the team. It obviously wasn't going to be strained because his brains filled with all kinds of balky ideas. And Dana and I are, you know, I'm paranoid. So my thought is, well, I'm going to have a bad experience. If I do this, I'm already a paranoid person. There's too much, I had too much fear in my brain at that time. There's no way.

And, you know, Dana, you know, she's a very magical thinker. So when it comes to who's the audience going to trust for this experience, it came down to, well, Carl is the eyes of the audience. He's de facto the most objective person out of all of us. So sending him seemed like the right idea. And his experience was very strange. There was a lot of weird stuff that came up with like, you know, that we're potentially opening gateways. But I think the

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It's, again, it's so hard to, like, to talk about this without giving anything away. But, yeah, it was a moment of revelation that I think people have to see for themselves. But, Greg, you do mention Dana. She is, like, this super. star of the back half of this season, I would say. She is, right? My God. When I saw the sort of the witch and Dana teasing in the first season, she went full-blown

witch this time, man. And it brought some of the biggest revelations of the entire season, again, that you guys kind of walked out of with season two. So again, we don't want to give away the big reveals, but what was it like? stepping into her world, you had a very personal experience with the stuff that Dana was doing this season. So what was that like? I mean, I'm fairly used to it. I would imagine. Yeah. Because, you know, she's, she's my wife. Some people think she's my sister. We have a white stripes thing going on. So people aren't really sure. But I'm, I'm fairly used to it because

this is, you know, that's who Dana is. If anything, she toned it down a lot in the first season, which I think has a lot to do with the fact that when we shot the first season, we didn't really know Carl and Connor very well. And now we're like super great best friends. You know, we're on the chat line talking to each other every day where we're going through a very experience that has bonded us. So it's a different thing. And I think because of that, we all kind of let our guards down around each other now. So we know, we know who each other are. and we've accepted who each other are. And a big part of that is Dana being a pagan, being a witch.

And I think the more interesting question is for someone like Connor, who is a devout Catholic. And Connor had to do a lot of stuff that was very obviously uncomfortable for him in the second season. Because I don't think the rest of us, I mean, listen, I was raised. My dad's a Baptist minister. I'm an ordained minister. he's not a huge fan of the stuff that I'm into. And I mean, I think I'm, I guess I'm functionally pagan these days, which is a big deal. You know, for someone, you know, as a religious person, you know that the further you get away from your belief system that you were raised with, particularly if you're a Christian, there's always that little voice in the back of your head that says, well, you're going to hell for this.

You know, like you know that. That voice doesn't really exist for me anymore after hell, you're two, which people can figure that out themselves. But I think it's more interesting to hear what Connor has to say about having to be part of a lot of this stuff that's kind of uncomfortable. Yeah, please, Connor, if you're willing to share that with us. No, it's a good question. You know, I think, and I, in a way, I thought of a lot of the stuff that Dana was doing as sort of being like a megaphone, where it's like, hello phenomena, like we are right here. You know, so she's very good at sort of giving these energies out into the world through her own means.

And she's very skilled at sort of opening doorways to communication. So the curious seeker in me was interested to see what happens. I think the sort of religious side of me, in a weird way, felt some comfort and some intimidation off of what had happened in episode nine, right? But also, you know, I think I was able to bring in a little bit of my belief system as well in some ways. And I think that, you know, there's a lot of more similarities than people give credit. I think that Dana and I maybe do come from different ends of a spectrum, but we both meditate. You know, maybe when she's meditating, it's something else or she's doing different chance. You know, when I, if I were to say the rosary or something like that, it's very sort of similar in that aspect.

In addition, you know, that my faith system has, our faith system, right, has a whole bunch of strange, miraculous happenings throughout. So I think being a curious person, I was like, okay, let's let's see what happens. I feel, you know, protected and comfortable enough to sit here and be like, well, something's talking to us. Let's see what it is. Right. You know, there is a quote, and I want to attribute it to Father Malachi Martin. Anyone who's a big coast-to-coast-a-M fan remembers Malachi Martin, some of the scariest episodes, wrote a book called Hostage of the Devil, and it was all about exorcisms. I want to attribute it to him.

Forgive me if I'm wrong. but he said something once. Somebody asked him, you know, well, I'm of this faith. You work with people of different faiths. How do you reconcile this? And he said, there are many paths to God. And I like to think about that because I really do think that's true. I think we all have our own path to the divine, whatever we decide the divine is.

And it's just, again, it's that idea, right, of different lenses viewing the same thing. Absolutely. And I mean, that's a beautiful, even visual to look at many paths to God. You know, I mean, no matter what your faith is, in somebody, a mystery person who will remain nameless, says this later in your series. Sometimes simpler is better. And when you look at that, there's many paths to get to the same sort of endpoint. It's so true. You can make things as difficult and complex as you want, but at the core of it, like, we're all trying to get to the same thing, no matter what your fifth is. Isn't that really the story of Hellier?

Yes, exactly. Right? We took so many paths, but they all seem to be leading to the same place. No matter how hard we try and take another path, it just reroutes itself. Yep, yep. Sort of wrapping up my personal questions, guys, I've got some awesome listener questions. Connor, I got to ask you, man, more on the technical side. I remember seeing photos of you and Carl editing this beast of a project.

And how in the hell do you begin to even string together, like a cohesive narrative or story with everything you guys shot? I would imagine like 30% of what you shot is what we're seeing in the season. Yeah, absolutely. there was you know we have iPhone footage on all of our respective phones that goes back two years you know that we had to sort of pick and choose how we're going to tell the story of this insane case i will say you know 90% of that falls on carl he's the guy with the footage and the guy with the clips and the audio that's piecing it all together in this brilliant way and he spent night after night for a year and a half um piecing this this entire thing together. A lot of the front work happened. Somebody had asked me this on Twitter as well. How do we keep these thoughts sort of organized? Carl and I would chat and basically sort of, we would write out some questions for different interviews that we want to get from everybody. And we would ask Greg, Dana, Tyler, a lot of the same questions. And then what would happen is they would give the answers.

we would do Carl would create rough cuts of the episodes and then we could clearly see where some blanks were and so it would be like okay Connor can you explain what this is you know we just mentioned this we don't understand so I sort of get

the benefit of looking like somebody who really knows exactly everything but that's because I'm the last interview you know who's like filling in all of the blants and so it's a it's quite a beast to try and edit

and Carl did a fantastically good job and Greg did a great job leading the interviews with the witnesses and the fields and I would write down all the answers

they were giving and highlight different sections that I knew would be good and things like that. I think it has to be said while on the topic of this when Carl said

I want to release this November 29th I actually said to him are you nuts? I could not believe that he had, because here's the thing, we, we created two seasons of a television show in a year. And the second one was twice as long as the first one. It's crazy to me that that happened. And so I think it really speaks to the dedication and passion of Carl and Connor. Like they, they, you know, I was a little jealous because they had Camp Hellier for like a week where Carl brought all of his equipment over to Conner.

Connor's house and all they did was they sat there and they edited and they they brought Anthony who did the score. They brought him over to fill in the gaps and did so much work in just a week because it had to be uploaded to Amazon, you know, like two week with two weeks so that they could review it. It's insane the amount of work, particularly that Carl and Connor did over the last year. Absolutely. And I mean, I know from experience like that. That's no easy feat. And, I mean, meanwhile, Carl's also working with Euphimed, traveling the country, doing that as well. So, I mean, it's, it's, it is insane that the timetable you guys were able to do this in to get it out at that deadline you set for yourselves.

And also, could you, could you mention the, the, the score as again for us, like, who did that? Because my God, the score drove this thing so well. I was listening with stereo headphones. and there are some little things in the background that I think if you catch, they add so much to it. Yeah, so the score was created by one of my bandmates. His name is Anthony Sustone. He is sort of a master of melody that I'm really proud to know and call a good friend. So he essentially created it based off of our recommendations for something.

scenes. One of the more difficult things that has to happen during editing that Carl did a lot of is like you you watch a scene and it's hard to tell where music should be and where it shouldn't, you know, in order to create a natural sort of narrative way to do this. So we would have these sections and then Carl would sort of siphon to me say, this part needs something, this part needs something. And then I would sort of provide Anthony with these vague descriptor. and different tones and possibilities. And he would send over four or five different drafts of these songs until we sort of put it in.

And Carl put it in. It was like, yep, that's it. And so that is the way that that process worked over the last six months or so. In addition, we have a lot of great bands that were willing to license us some of their music that really helps drive some of the more intense moments. So I was really, really proud of the way the soundtrack came out. Yeah, it really brought a whole other level. I know Sudden Spot was one of them, big friends of theirs.

So yeah, you guys did a wonderful job with that. Now, moving to some listener questions, these are fun. So our first question comes from, oh, this guy definitely is not the first time. He's watching, Bryce Johnson over at the Bigfoot collector's book. I love it. Let's start with Bryce. He asks, where can I find a readers list or book list to accompany Hellier season two? Oh, God.

We've talked about this. I think Connor was especially concerned with putting one together. I think that's something, you know, there's some unofficial lists that are going on right now. If you scroll Twitter, there's people who've literally, they've taken it upon themselves to put together Amazon lists so that you can look at it and just go and get the book that you want. But I think we probably should put together an official list full of stuff from maybe seasons one and two. What do you think, Connor? Yeah, let's do it.

We'll do it this week. Yeah, like you guys don't have enough going on. Yeah, we want people to read. It's funny, I was arguing with someone on Twitter today, and I said, hell, you're a show about reading. Legitimately. Like, it's made more people go out and buy books than any paranormal show I can think of. Oh, absolutely. And if that's the most that hell you're achieved,

I think that's a fairly awesome thing that people are going and buying books and reading. Absolutely, man. We're going to get you guys on PBS to another reading rainbow. M.J. Benayas over at Tara Obscira, he asks Connor. A lot of people are interested in the Estes method and what it's like being plugged into that experiment. So would you mind maybe, I know this. is hard, but giving like a cliff notes version of what this is and describe its purpose and what it physically and mentally feels like when you're doing that. Yeah. The Estes method is something that

Carl, our friend Michelle and myself created while we were working at the Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, Colorado. Basically, it combines a few different things, devices and things together to allow for potential spirit or other worldly etc communication basically what we're doing is we're taking a simple spirit box and an SB 7 spirit box we're plugging it in to totally sound really well soundproofed headphones drummers headphones which is an essential part so that the the person who's listening to the box cannot hear anything that's going on around them except for the box and then you blindfold that person so that they're completely isolated solely with the sound of this spirit box. You let the person sit and listen, and then they just purely act as a megaphone saying the words that they're hearing coming across the device.

We started it because we got tired of using spirit boxes when we were looking for ghosts in the traditional format. Carl and I used to go around and have people do tours with us, and we felt like they weren't very legitimate devices because people were hearing what they wanted. So it was like, well, let's just have one person listen. And then suddenly that person, a lot of people who try it on, seem to enter some sort of bizarre, psychical framework of mind where they just become this, I don't know, this transmutation occurs. And it's very bizarre. And it's something we tried in Hellier 1, worked really well. And so we tried it a few different ways in Hellyer 2. Yeah, yeah, with some really interesting results for sure.

So Rob Christofferson from the Our Strange Skies podcast, he asks you guys, is there any footage that didn't make it into the series that you wish had made it in? I know that's probably a lot. But yeah, anything really specific stand out to either of you in terms of that? Holy cow. I know. Should we talk about hypnosis stuff still, Greg? That's literally what I was just going to say.

Nice. You take this one, Connor, because this is personal. So when we did the hypnosis experiment, I went under as well. But it turned into a very personal experience and also a very like it didn't necessarily seem like there was so much alien contact or contact with the phenomena compared to Carl's stuff. I like I said sort of practice some meditation and practice the estes method so maybe I had good lubricant or whatever you want to call it to just like kind of fall under and it seemed like that's what happened it was pretty freaky to watch and I did see an image at one point that may be related to the case later on at least we have the footage if we need it but yeah putting Carl's in felt more relevant to the storyline, but mine was still something that, yeah, was pretty, pretty shocking and strange. Yeah, maybe the special features, we'll get to see.

Right. Yeah. Rob Christopherson also asks, when and where can I get a Tyler Strand action figure. Oh, God, don't encourage him. He doesn't need it. No. Rob, we'll consider it. Yeah, I knew he'd bring some less.

levity to these list of questions. Tyler Strand has licensed us his image in perpetuity forever. So we'll, uh, if we think we can make a buck off of his likeness, we'll do it. Awesome. We'll buck off of that, that jaw line there, man. Right. We call him, we call him action man. He does some good stuff out. He's, he goes everywhere.

He'll go anywhere. Honestly. That's what she is. I think Tyler is one of the best additions to the second season because here's the thing. Again, we're all very nervous people. We're a bunch of, I think it was last podcast on the left that called us soft nerd people. And it's true. So adding him to this group, he's added a lot of really great forward momentum.

As you see in the argument that Strand and I have in episode four, Strand is very much who I was when I was like 10 years ago, right? before I was jaded and cynical and fat and scared. Strand argues with me and I think argues with all of us and pushes us to do things that make us a little bit nervous. So he's really been a fantastic addition as as action man. And he's a really great researcher too. So he's a fantastic new edition. Gareth asks, do you think this experience was never about the goblins but an exercise given to you in how to research the paranormal? Do you see yourself changing the way you research something as opposed to methods before Hellyer?

I know you both come from sort of a ghost hunting background. So what do you both think about that personally? Yeah, I'd say yes, two thumbs up. You know, it's funny. The entirety without giving away too much of the ending, but we're sort of continuing this checklist. And we're being very open with it. You know, we're a little bit, you know, we keep a lot to ourselves, but we're like, you know what, this is what's happening. Here's our methods of looking into this, which is in a way a little bit intimidating to sort of show a lot of the cards, you know.

But we put it out there and it's like, this is how we're going to look going forward. There's this, you know, hashtag and this almost tongue in cheek joke of the alien cave-based task force. And we love that it's now something that's crowdsourced out there to say this is a real-time, modern-day, high strangeness investigation. Here's how you can help out. And so it's giving us instructions as to how to find potential window areas and things like that. I would say that I wonder if there were goblins in the first place. Look at, Greg talked about it earlier in this interview. how strange is his inbox, you know?

It is filled by the nature of running the websites and doing the work that he does with ghostly reports and alien reports, which he loves. I know it's wonderful, but how often does a report come out that says goblins? And that in turn was enough incentive to go to actually check it out in person. Hellier isn't just about us now. Hellier's a toolbox, particularly Hellier too. There's a very obvious set of tools that we have been given by a hidden hand, by the phenomena, whoever, that we have freely and willingly given to the rest of the world. And they can take what they need, they can leave the rest, whether that is buying a book that they never would have read before, or, using the Estes method or using hypnosis or looking at how things line up on a map,

checking geomagnetic anomalies. There are so much there that people can take and use for themselves. So it hasn't just changed the way that we investigate and not just investigate but view the phenomena as a whole. It's changing the way that the viewers view it too. And I think that's a big point of what we're doing and why, frankly, I think, I think Hellier's is, quote-unquote, infecting people as much as it is. Leslie asks, since Hellier 2's release, have any new mysterious emails been received?

And also, has there been any backlash or threats from townspeople or anyone since the release? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's funny. We, we, not too long before Hellier 2 came out, I started getting lots of encrypted emails sent from Gorilla Mail. If anyone's familiar with Gorilla Mail, it's an inbox that exists for like an hour. And now, you know, we know a lot more about tracing emails than we did in the first season. That's something, that's something we learned a lot about. So when I get these things, the first thing I do is I go, all right, I'm going. to go find this IP address. I'm going to check the headers. The headers were obviously run through a VPN and then through Gorilla Mail, which is anonymized anyway and sent through an inbox that only exists for an hour. And they were pretty threatening. And essentially, they were like they were basically saying, there's a thread in season two that I know exists and you

better drop it. But we didn't drop it. Clearly. Yeah. So we'll see what happens. Well, I'm always looking for red dots coming through my window. Oh, geez. It is. There's some intimidating aspects to it. And you know, like Greg said, we've gotten good at this in terms of trying to track people down and internet and research and things like that. So we have what I also feel some kind of, comfort in that is not a spoiler necessarily because it's it's actually in the series. Alan Greenfield tells us, he says, you know, you better ask me for a word or a phrase or something that one of these mysterious figures like Terry might know that other people wouldn't know. So we have some potential cross checks if needed. But man, it's a weird inbox.

That's true. We actually, you know, we we've democratized this process more than we ever have, but there are still a lot of cards that we've held really close to the chest. The cool thing about Hellier 2 is when people finish the final episode, they're literally like a month behind us. They're pretty much caught up to date. But there are a lot of things that just either because of privacy reasons or to maintain the integrity of the case or for our own safety, we've either obscured a little bit or kept to ourselves so that if somebody does come out of the woodwork saying, well, I'm Terry Wrist or whatever, we know what to ask to know whether this person's jerking our chain. Exactly. I mean, when you're out, when the scope is

this big now and you're broadcast across the world, I mean, everyone and their mother's going to come out of the woodwork and either try to pull a fast one on you guys or lead you down a path that maybe is going to disinform you even. Yeah. It's tough. I think on a on a smaller scale and a more a mundane scale, a benign is there's a lot of people, they see Hellier and they see what's happening. And the thing is Helier is a very special thing.

It's special to us. And I think it's special to the people that it resonates. with we we talk a lot about how it calls to who it calls to and there's a lot of folks who they want to insert themselves into the narrative whether it is something like you know i i've seen indrid cold or i have a psychic impression or um you know there's a lot or or i don't know terry's my dad a literal one that we've gotten before um things like that it's very difficult sometimes It's very difficult sometimes to be like, well, I don't believe you. Thank you for wanting to be a part of this, but I don't believe you.

It's tough. It's really tough because there's a lot of that. And now that Hellier has a much bigger, it has a much bigger net. There are people that it calls to and do, like, that's one of the craziest, coolest things about season two is people get to see, particularly in episode six, how many people reached out with information? The fact that we released Hellier for free, the first season in January, became part of the case. And so we got tons. I mean, I got stacks of emails that have information.

And some of those led to some pretty big things in season two. So we never take that for granted. But with that, you know, it's the first episode, it's titled Noise and Signal. Here we're going to end guys with the four most popular questions I got asked for you guys. The first one being, is John Tenney going to be in the show this season? Can't answer that, can we, Connor? You know, if the phenomena wants John Tenney to be in the show, he'll be in the show. Yeah, yeah.

We can leave it at that. I mean, if he was meant to be a part of this journey, he is. But I guess he'll just have to watch to see. Let's see, what else do we got? Okay, most popular question number two, what do you both hope that audiences will take away from Hellier? I want people to be willing to talk with each other. I'm hoping that Hellyer is able to break down walls that exist between the crypto crowd,

the ghost crowd, the UFO crowd, and sort of becomes this, you know, people hate on it because it's a mesh of all these different things, but the majority of people find that that's a pretty beautiful mixture. So I would hope that it elicits and starts conversations. I want it to re-enchant the world. I want people to look at the world differently. I want them to pay attention to the synchronicities in their lives

and see what those synchronicities might mean to them. I want them to consider extraterrestrials and ancient gods and the Estes method. I want it to become a bar that has been set that now, once people have seen it, they have to go and try these things, particularly if they're paranormal investigators. I mean, we run in a world of paranormal investigators. And frankly, I think that the water is pretty stagnant, man. And I think there's a lot of stuff that we try very hard to present in Hellier that I hope will shake things up. and I hope we'll make people consider ideas that maybe they wouldn't consider before because there's no movement.

I haven't felt really any movement. I mean, one of the last things that excited, part of the reason I loved Carl and Connor so much is what they did with the Estes Method. I thought that was like the coolest, most innovative thing I've seen in so long. And so, you know, that type of thing resonated with me. And there's so many experiments in the second season that people have never seen before or have never been attempted before. And I'd love to see people take those and run with it, build on it, re-enchant the world, stop

being so cynical, and see how big and beautiful and wonderful the world becomes when you just decide to be open to things that maybe scared you or maybe confused you or maybe you didn't even believe in before. I love that, man. In relation to sort of opening up, one of our... last questions here is for you both personally, what doors do you think maybe you were able to close when it came to Hellier, if any? Connor, how about you?

Oh, man. I think that the door in Hellyer was already closed when we got there. That's a good answer. I love that. And so instead, we were knocking on the door to see if it would open and then were present. with some more doors to walk through. So I'm not sure we're necessarily the ones that are in control of that. I think that our goal is to find and peek through as much as we can while it's active and open.

My favorite thing about Hellier, and particularly the group that we've put together in Hellier, is we're all very different people from very different backgrounds. and we argue and we disagree on things sometimes. But at the end of the day, I think we're all very interested in the same thing. And we are greater than the sum of our parts. All right, guys, here we go. The number one most asked question. Will there be a season three of Hellyer?

I don't know. Watch Hellier a million times. Buy the merch. Download the soundtrack. And tell absolutely every single person you can to go watch Hellier, to love Hellier, to rate and review Hellier on Amazon Prime. And maybe the ACBTF will return someday. Oh, I love it. See, that's spoken like a true independent creator.

Oh, love it. Well, I guess one more question, guys. Where can we find Hellier in all the work that you're both up to? Hellier can be found currently on Amazon Prime. That is where we, you know, no hold, no holding back here. That's where we prefer people to watch it if possible. It will be released internationally on YouTube on December 13th. As of right now, this recording of this interview, it is an Amazon Prime exclusive.

So just search Hellier, H-E-L-L-I-E. And then also you can follow each of us on on our respective socials. My personal one is at Connor J. Randall. So we are, try to be as conversive as we can and sit and chat with everybody about this case that we're all involved in. Oh, absolutely. You guys are so giving with your time on your social networks, which again, I think is part of this whole thing, is slowly bringing everyone in. I think I can speak for all of the people who have watched. Like, you are part of this now.

You don't have a choice. You are part of this ritual going on. So accept it. Watch it. And Greg, where could we find more of what you're up to in? People are interested in me or Dana. They can go to the paramuseum.com. That's got a lot of stuff about us.

We're very easy to find. I think all of us, Carl Connor, Tyler, Connor, we're really easy to find on social media. Just look for us. And we're super interactive. All of us are super interactive. And we want to talk with you. We want to engage.

Engage the strange, baby. Engage the strange, guys. Please use the hashtag Hellier on Twitter while you're watching this. Let all of the group know what you think. I'm just going to say this to sort of end, guys. You're changing sort of the way we consume. But I guess more importantly, experience. paranormal themed television media and how we can sort of build upon research, find new approaches.

So as someone who's been in the UFO field for a while now in seeing how stagnant things can become, I mean, this was, this whole hellier experience has been such a breath of fresh air for someone who was strictly nuts and bolts euphology. So I got to thank you for that for getting us all involved, initiated, like I said. And guys, I honestly, I can't wait to see where it goes next. So thank you, thank you, thank you for coming on. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you for having us, man.

Also, a little teaser, guys. Once you get to the final episode of Hellyer, you're going to maybe want to watch through the credits. That's all I'm going to say. Holy shit. That's it for this week's episode. Again, check out Hellyer Season 2 right now on Amazon Prime. or starting December 13th on YouTube, keep up to date with all the planet weird happenings at weirdhq.com.

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