Somewhere in the Skies - Henry Zebrowski: UFOs, Aliens, and the Last Podcast on the Left (SITS CLASSIC)

Episode Date: August 28, 2026

It’s a cosmic crossover with The Last Podcast on the Left! In this Somewhere in the Skies Classics episode, Ryan revisits his conversation with actor, comedian, and podcaster Henry Zebrowski. Henry shares the origins of his acting career and Last Podcast before diving headfirst into UFO history, high strangeness, and his theories on what may, or may not, be behind the mysteries in our skies. With UFOs and the unexplained continuing to push further into mainstream culture, there’s never been a better time to revisit this hilarious, insightful, and wonderfully strange conversation. Follow Last Podcast on the Left: www.lastpodcastontheleft.com Join us at ANOMACON on September 12th: http://www.anomacon.com Send us a voicemail: https://www.speakpipe.com/SomewhereSkiesPod Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ Substack: https://ryansprague.substack.com/ All socials and books: https://linktr.ee/somewhereskiespod Email: [e-mail] Opening theme song by Septembryo Closing song by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2026 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #LastPodcastontheLeft #UFOs #Aliens #Podcast #HenryZebrowski #SomewhereintheSkies #Crossover #UAP #Paranormal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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For if we can see, Consider that astro scientists agree on one point that the possibility of life elsewhere is not only quite probable. Some field is there without a doubt. Let us suppose them that these objects are real space vehicles, extraterrestrial origin, and not an illusion of the mind. This is somewhere in the skies with Ryan Sprague. Henry from last podcast on the left. I have been waiting forever, man. We've been, our ships have been passing.

for years now. And it's finally happening. It's finally happening. It really means something to me because I, people ask me all the time, like what do I listen to? Like in terms of what do I get information from?

And I listen to you somewhere in the skies is probably one of my, it's like one of my favorite pure UFO podcasts. And so I'm just happy to be here. Wow. Thanks, man. If you do such good work. You know what I,

and I will say, because I listen to the witness, when you do the witness accounts, like, some of my favorite, like, I don't know what it says about me, but I listen to it sometimes to go to sleep in hotel rooms. Like, I'll listen to it and talk, and then, like, I have

crazy-ass dreams. Like, as I go, like, because I find this, so I find every one of those, like, I mean, they're very, very compelling, but, like, you have the nice, soothing music, and then everyone so I'd be like, and then I saw, the triangular object, come over the horizon. It's like, it's my

version of ASMR. And it's nice. Oh, done. I get, I actually, I get that all the time, that I put people to sleep, so I don't know whether to take that as a compliment or not. I get it all the time, too. You know what it is? Sometimes I'm alone in a hotel room.

I'm looking for a company, and it's nice to have a voice. And like my issue is that the reason why then I have to stop it is that then I get drawn into a story. And then all of a sudden, now I can't sleep because I'm like, I'm under the covers just like listening to, because I find witness accounts to be deeply compelling,

especially like anybody that has like, You know, we were just talking about it on this week's side stories, but like really the dividing line between all these various stories where like, if you see an orb in the sky, it could just be tech that we don't know about unless you have some kind of emotional reaction. Because a lot of them, to me, the most compelling witness stories, all the ones are like,

I experienced a wave of emotion when I saw this thing. Besides just wonder, like literally like hearing a vibe that's like calm down or like Why do you use nuclear weapons? And you're like, I don't know. My name's Tammy. I'm from Missouri. I don't know why you're asking me why we use these horrible things. Great man.

It's true, though, man. Like the biggest question that a lot of these people have when they see these things is why me? Like either they feel like they were chosen or even if it was complete happenstance. It changes their lives in some ways. So I'm happy that the witness. accounts resonate with you because look even when I'm editing those episodes together I get so enthralled by the stories that I forget oh I'm creating a podcast episode I'm not I'm not just listening to this um yeah so I love that and you know we're on I'm coming out with one uh next week

actually volume 26 damn 206 witness accounts volumes which shows truly how prolific and how, you know, how so many people are seeing these things. And they can't explain what it is. Well, look at what we just, we're dealing with right now. We got, you know, we're shooting shit out of the sky that we used to sort of, like, you know, we, how did we, we, we adjusted NORAD so we can see slower things, smaller things in the sky. And the first thing we're doing is blowing them up, which is the first thing it shows that like, number one, they've been there this whole time. because we are just turning it on now, right? So we're just turning the system on now so we can see him,

which means the stuff's been floating up there. And then also millions, probably millions of people have seen something, something anomalous that is in the sky. And it's just weird how, like, they're all catching up. And the first thing that we decide to do is scramble F-22s at it. Yeah.

Shoot and ask questions later. It's very American. Let's be completely honest. But I really feel, well, it talked about it. this idea, like, aren't these generals afraid? I thought that's what George Knapp was talking about, that he was so scared.

They're all scared of the phenomena. Don't, aren't you afraid of poke the bear? Yeah, yeah. I know. I don't know. Why are we blowing them up? We'll go there. I definitely want to get your brutal thoughts on brutally honest, I should say, thoughts on all the stuff going on now.

But I want to backtrack for just a few moments. I know you've answered these questions a million times, but for any of my viewers, my listeners who may not be familiar with your podcast and the work you do. You know, coming from New York City, I was a playwright most of my life. So I'm always interested to meet and meet other people who act, who are into the acting world. So I got to ask, before we even get to UFOs, how did you get interested in acting? How did that whole journey start for you? Oh, man.

I am just not a skilled person. I think that's how it started. I think that I was a ham as a little boy, and I immediately got a form of positive validation outside of my parents. Right. My parents were obviously, I was a kid that, like, you know, like many kids born in the mid-80s,

was immediately diagnosed with ADHD. They're all like, oh, he's got our ADD, I think they used to call it, you know, and they're like, because I was very energetic and probably ADD. But what my mom did was that in order to like fix me, what she just said instead of putting them on riddle in like they did with half of our generation, they just tied me to things, right?

Like my mom would literally, I would be like a high security prisoner everywhere I went. I used to have two leashes on me. I had a leash on my wrist. I had a leash in my belt. I was walking everywhere. I was like, what's this Steve Bouchemmy from Con Air?

Right. Like that's how I was put everywhere. And I think that obviously exhaust. my parents. But then everyone else was like, oh, your son's a little star. He loves to act. And I did immediately. And I remember the first acting job I got was in third grade. Because I was a baby model for a second,

but then I was fired for being a baby model because I wouldn't take direction. Which I don't even know what that means. I don't even know even like this. Yeah. I guess I was tearing shit up. Like I literally was like an uncontroll. I was like a little Mickey Rourke. But I got my first.

role, a third grade play where I played an alien that was dressed like Santa Claus and I got the part because I was the first I was the only kid who didn't need the pillow for the Santa Claus costume and I was willing to do it. So boom, what I first learned,

the first rule about acting I learned was have no shame and just be willing to do what others won't and you'd be really surprised what comes your way as long as you really allow yourself to get pretty gross with it. And then later on, I think it really came from just a genuine, deep, vacuous hole inside that needed to be filled with attention. But then I weaponized it in a way that really worked for me.

And then I also love it. I just love to enter, I love to be funny. I used to talk so much in class. So they gave me like 10 minutes at the end of the day. I had a fifth grade teacher used to give me like a set that I could just do at school. And then I just started doing drama when I was 15. And it just has been this way ever since. And I went to Florida State University, which wasn't really like an acting school.

But like I had good teachers that were all like go. Usually guys who just need to go to New York. And so my sketch group, my sketch comedy group that was together called Murder Fist, we went to Florida State University together. And then we all moved to New York. And then it went from there. All right. We just keep going.

And I just love it. You know, it's just been, I'm very lucky in the fact that we have no connections. I think we are possibly the, I don't know what the opposite of a Nepo baby is. the exact opposite. We are not wanted full adult. Like we were actively told, don't join show business. But now we've been doing it for long enough

that we just kind of weaseled our way in there. That's awesome, man. Well, and you guys, you filled, I think, a void that was desperately needed in a lot of this sort of podcasting world we live in. you know, you've got these UFO podcasts. You got these true crime podcasts. You've got all these things that take it way too seriously.

We started this 12 years ago, last podcast in the left. So those of you don't know, I co-host a show called Last Podcast on the Left, which is a comedy podcast about true crime, paranormal, serial killers, everything that is within what we view a giant McAlbh umbrella. You know, it's all horrors imagined and real is like how Marcus put it. And when we started, there was none of that. We were, we call ourselves second wave because the first wave was like Adam Carolla, Joe Rogan was only about a year before us. Mark Marin was about a year before us. And they were doing one thing.

And at the time, the only content that was out there was hyper, what you were saying, hyper, truly hyper serious. It was either, we used to make fun of true crime voice. We're like, then Springvale, no one ever locked their doors. You know, like, and now like we've, We started as an adverse reaction to that very, very heavy content because we knew we were the people that were interested in this subject matter and we're going to talk like it. So we know that the people that are active, the people that were actually into this stuff talked the way that we did joking about it because Gallo's humor kind of comes with the territory. And over time, the show has really gotten thicker and thicker and thicker because number one, we know.

we want to be true to our audience and we want them to know that we are like digging hard like we're working real hard to stay up with the times and have that show be as as thick as it possibly can be and it's weird to watch an entire two the entire genre grow around you all of a sudden there's true there's comedy paranormal true crime shows everywhere and you're like I don't we started that but I didn't know keep going and so we're just here now it's like 12 years later it's like it really just like we just put our head down to work like 12 years ago and it's like we keep lifting her head up. We're like, what? Holy shit.

Okay. Oh, shit. And so we just keep doing it. We just love doing it. Well, in that, in it shows. And, you know, I think what happens in the podcast and world and I learned this early on, you know, I'm only like three years in. So that's nothing compared to something like what you guys have achieved.

But you've done a lot in three years. Well, thank you. I appreciate. I've never missed a single week. And that's something I'm holding myself here. Never experience a day off. And then it's fine. As long as you just never once experience a day off,

then it's like you're not missing the, you're not missing the weekend if you never have one. You know what you mean? Exactly. Exactly. As long as you sacrifice your health, your relationships, you'll have a successful podcast.

No, I'm just, it's that easy. It's that easy. It's that easy. Well, that's kind of my point is you see so many people trying to podcast. And after one or two, three episodes,

They're like, oh, this is way too much work or I'm not making money off of this. Like, I've done. And I make a dime every day. Oh, yeah, of course. We didn't make a dime for seven years. We did the show for free at that level for seven years. But mostly it was, again, it's because I didn't know, I didn't know what else to do. We were so interested in.

We were just like, why would we stop? We were, we were into it. We're watching the audience grow. And we felt good about doing it. So we're like, we're just going to keep doing it. And it also, it's reiterating the same lesson that I've learned in this business that I'm in, which is if you wanted something to be there for you, you have to make it. And then you have to show up every day and you have to make it the job you want it to be.

And without like, you know, now it's more like understanding, putting, making sure you're feeling the joy with it as you go. But, you know, we made it a job. Yep. And we now were like accidental experts in all of this stuff. Sort of. It's more like people ask me stuff and I don't even realize like what I know anymore because of all the years of reading all of this. You know, I don't remember my niece's birthday.

But I know a lot about UFOs. But you remember what day, you know, the Roswell crash happening. I'm the same way, man. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, hey, let's go there. Not Roswell. Um, Roswell's been done to death. But I was listening to one of your more recent episodes, uh, on the Trinity UFO crash.

What do you think of this thing? I find it very, very interesting. That's my question for you. It's, I, I think that there is a reason why, because now we're talking about like this new group. What's it, what's the new, the new UAP group is. Oh. It's not a tip. Arrow.

Arrow. Yeah. And that what they decided was like, is they're going through this day database. I've been listening to a lot of Jacques valet, right? And I love Jacques, right? I love him. I think he's brilliant. He can talk for a long time.

And it's very esoteric. You have to kind of peel apart because he's much smarter than us. And so I'm trying to listen to him talk. And he was kind of talking about how he was a part of the team that put together the artificial intelligence like aggregate software to put together this database of information. that this new group, Aero is going to use for witness testimony, from both inside the military and out. And then it's that question of like, well, if Roswell started in 1947,

they're talking about all this shit's now going to start in 1945. So I guess, like, there's somebody in the Pentagon that decided that that Trinity experience was strong enough to be the actual big, the beginning marker of what we call modern UFOs. Like, you know, and it's very interesting. I feel like the main thing that, that compels me is the physical evidence, like the idea of like, some kind of object bounced off a control tower. It's very, you know, we know that that happens something bounced off a control tower.

They said that that definitely happened. The weird thing with the, the, the cleared out all of the rubble, like, you know, obviously the quote unquote men in black showed up, cleared it all up. But then like a bunch of poisonous plants being buried there. or implanted there to keep people away. That was like one thing they said that that might have happened. There's something about it. And having those kids have like, you know,

those now old men have the memories of seeing this thing and experience this thing is also very compelling. And I, you know, it just shows that what we're dealing with right now, whatever it is that's happening in our skies right now over North America. Like this is, this might be something attached to it. Like this might be something.

Because if we can blow them up, maybe they can also crash. If it is what we think it is. Or if it's like, you know, what's her name who wrote this story about the area 51, who said that the actual answer to Roswell was that it was surgically altered prisoners from Russia. Any Jacobson. Anna Jacobson saying that he was sending these things over, which I think is a far crazier explanation than aliens. dude I

well okay so maybe it's the same shit maybe I don't because they said they saw the little people coming out of it so maybe in 1945 the Trinity crash so maybe they're saying that that's what that is you're about a bunch of confused

Russians just out of surgery that's going like oh shit the hell did we get we were at summer vacation and then all of a sudden now they're getting like they're just getting scooped up and dropped off at Dulce and you've no clue why they're there

they've been putting in a big tank, just being like, we are not aliens, we are just from other country. You know, and no one will, and they're like, exactly.

We got you. We got you. Bagged and tagged. Dude, I mean, well, and that's, you bring up a good point.

That's far more disturbing than even aliens crashing on our planet. If we were, if some country, whether it's Russia or us, there's even stories that we were,

using, you know, mentally disabled children and putting them up in these high altitude balloons to see how far they would go up. Yeah. Those scientists are going to get canceled. And I think they need to be really careful about because those things, I mean, it does obviously seem to help in touring numbers. But when it comes down to, they'll never be able to surgically alter mentally handicapped people for NBC ever again. And that's the worst fate you can imagine. But no, it's really, it's more that the idea of the links. that the whatever information that was planted back in the day talking about this incident was kind of it's kind of interesting how they show the links they'd go i feel the same way kind of about like this is where we get in real conspiracy territory where like the idea that like you make the things inside of mk ultra so unbelievable that no one would believe you if you even told them so you create this crazy inner inner inner secret like what like you know we would LRH LRRD Hubbard like kind of cemented with the Z

new reveal which is the ultimate you've been here for so long you've been researching these things so long you've given me so much of our lot of your life I'm not going to show you the the quote unquote real inner secret and it's this whack ado like so and now it's too late because now you kind of have to buy it invested now you're invested but yeah I don't know because yeah it's like Like the idea of where's the information chain in Russia? Where is the series of memos of finding the mentally challenged kids to do the surgery on? Who was the surgeon? Where'd they do the surgery?

Where are the other UFO like objects they would use? That was like, you know, I was listening to one news report talking about how like, if what we're seeing over North America is high tech from other countries, would they not have wanted to demonstrate total domination over the aerial space? a long time ago. Why would they be waiting to just let it float over above Alaska? Wouldn't they be using this shit? So I feel like it's the same thing with Roswell.

And what happened there were like, I feel like we would have seen a lot more of them if they had this stuff. But like, and out in the open, that you would have seen Stalin riding one like a cowboy just to show everybody he has one. Yeah, absolutely. I don't know. Well, and it's such a, uh, a, weird game and we're seeing it play out right now too. This, this mystery's been with us,

you know, even before Roswell. And it's a matter of how will, you know, the government or the various intelligence agencies use that mystery to their advantage. And I think that's kind of what we're seeing play out right now is they're not saying, you know, they're all surveillance. They're not saying they're all blunts. They're saying they're unidentified objects. And what does that mean to most people. Aliens. Freaking UFO. Yeah.

So it's, they know what they're doing. Yeah. They wanted, they wanted the confusion, but now it's like the buck got past to us to figure out why. Why are you saying the word UFOs? All I've heard the word, all I've heard is the word UAP. Since December 2017 when those videos came out, like all we've heard is UAP. And then all of a sudden as we start shooting them, we're calling them UFO.

you know, like now it's now we're calling them that. But I actually, I really, I, I guess that's, that's what's so hard, right, is that conspiracy thinking is taking disparate points and trying to string together a story because there's a vacuum in information. And so it seems that they are purposely doing it with a lack of information. Now, number one, does it mean that they don't have. have that information at all. Because that's a part of me.

Like, is it just general confusion? Is there a full Occam's razor to this? Where you got old man Biden who is just as scared of this stuff as everybody else is and they legitimately don't know what it is, right? Because to me, I would first say, like, if they didn't know what it was, they probably would have called it a balloon. I think that they, we've seen this time and time again, that they've just actively lied. but at least with Roswell,

I'm gonna come repeat this joke that I did this week, but it was like, at least with Roswell, they gave us the credit had given us a reach around by like dropping off some fake wreckage. At least, at least they're like, that was I was saying.

It was like, show me a balloon. And I'll believe you, you know? Or two, are they doing this for some counter espionage, deep, like,

could some, some propaganda reason to flex to China, to flex to Europe, deflex to Russia, like, I don't know. And then on some level, it just makes me tired. Because the one thing I know for a fact that now, hearing them all talk about, it makes me think, when you insinuate that it's UFOs and aliens, I know it's not because you're not going to say it until you get one voting for you.

You know what I mean? Like, you're not going to get one. You're not going to, I know you're not going to say it until it is a, we're going to have a full rollout. It's going to be like shown that like Tupac's still alive. He's going to come out. You're going to have that next to like, you know, everybody's favorite,

Melissa McCarthy. They're going to intro the alien to society. You know, like they're going to come out and say something where I'm, that's in my view where like if you start saying the word of UFOs, it's like now you're just lying in me to my fucking face. Yeah. Like what's going on here?

Like why are you doing this? Because I know you're doing this for a reason. I don't know what it is. And maybe it's because, you know, we brought it up this week about like, covering, you know, like not necessarily wanting to get too deep into the fact that there was a massive chemical spill in Ohio. Maybe it's something like that.

But it seems to also tie into just this whole thing, this whole like new system as a whole. Their new, their new system of thought of like embracing UFOs, which I mean, I think for some is really cool. I've loved on your show, have you talked about the hopefulness of it. And you hope that it will bring some like much needed. light and legitimacy to the subject where we can get some real like real money to actually investigate it and real people to actually willing to put their names on it and say I'm willing to invest I'm willing to investigate it for for for quote unquote reasons you know now that it's legit I'll do it or they just do it to bring it further closer to the best being like now we got

it now yeah don't worry we got we don't where we're handling all of this meanwhile it's just more sciops that we're being subjected to, and I'm not quite certain what the purpose of the sciops are. Yeah. No one is. And I mean, that you're so right. I mean, if they can keep a hold and control the narrative, then that's what they've been doing all along. But I think what we're seeing sort of play out, Henry, which is the hopeful side of me.

No, and you know even more than I do. Like, I'd love to know, like, what is the, what is the hopeful? like angle of yeah it's hard because there's there's very little to be hopeful about when you kind of got your hopes up in 2017 I mean there's no denying that story

that broke in 2017 like was huge and it'll be changed the story for the UFO for UFO history however everything after that it's what happens after and we're getting groups within the Pentagon we're getting

Congress people talking about it. A lot has happened. And now we're at the point where we're shooting them out of the sky and not telling the public what we're shooting out of the sky. That's all, it gives me a headache, man, thinking about it. But the thing I'm hopeful about, yes. Oh, I'm sorry. The thing I'm hopeful about is the ripple effect after that.

It's the people who, like you said, were inspired, these scientists who are like, whoa, there's something to this. So when you see someone like, you know, Eric Weinstein or Avi Loeb being like, yo, there's, this is legit now. I can actually talk about this because I think there's something to it. Cool. And then what happens? Harvard funds Avi Lobe to go look for techno signatures of alien artifacts, which is a ripple

effect of everything that's happened post-2017. So that's kind of the stuff I'm hopeful about, you know? No, me too. And I, because I, the one thing about this subject matter is that I think obviously there's, there's contingent of people who are like, don't we have more important things to focus on? Which I'm like, true, sure. Yes. There's been, there's a lot of, there's a lot of shit going on.

Uh, to put it lightly. There's a lot going on. But there's something about this, this avenue of thought that I think can give humanity hope past just Bezos like that, like that, like, you know, needing, he's trying to bail on us, right? Like, Bezos did a little trial run to go to space to say the quiet part out loud of being like, I'm going to be living in space while this rock dies, all right, by everybody. And then you realize it's real difficult. Like he got up there and he was like, oh, this is it first class on the Emirates flight.

Like I did that one time. Like, oh, this is not, this sucks. Like, I'm nauseous. Like, this isn't fun. And so I think that there's That angle But there's something about this that shows that like No like

In our new godless world Like there is something to like Point yourself towards Where you're like there is there is more to this There is more to our reality As we know it And yes I think a lot of it's going to end up Just being unexplored areas

It's just like sticking our head into closets into places that we have just not been and what it's going to mean and like looking at life differently. But I think that that's important. I think it's important to also know that like, you know, you don't need even a mystical reason to live. You don't need a, it's there's life is is, is thick and powerful enough to be examined on its own. And it's here right now. Like I think a lot of what we're going to see is some of the stuff that we're, that's floating around.

and our atmosphere is literal living organisms that we've just never really cataloged before and never known how to look at. And my whole thing with the phenomena is that it's like a 25 layer cake that has many different slots and many different things it is inside one cake. And it's got all the flavors inside of it. And each one is true. You know what I mean?

like maybe there are like recon orbs from a nuts and bolts biological species that it's on its way here maybe there is an interdimensional factor that pops its way in and out maybe there is extemporal humans that are traveling and buzzing us every once in a while and sort of like a haze that they can't fully break through because whatever the future technology that allows them to come and view the past who fucking knows but i'm open i am gaped for it absolutely I love it. On all fours. I'm on all fours. Ready to accept the phenomena. However, it'll take me. As long as he got your knee pads. I've been stretching. I've been stretching. That's my lower backs been killing me taking this phenomenon the last week and a half. Did everybody in your family

message you? Like, how does you, can I ask you? Obviously, we're doing an interview after this. But like, what is your family? Like, do they all like, Ryan, what's going on here? What if the world is, far stranger than we've been led to believe. This September 12th, step into the virtual world of Anomicon, 2026, the premier online conference exploring UFOs, the paranormal, consciousness, cryptozoology, folklore, and all things anomalous. Hosted by me, Ryan Sprague of Somewhere in the skies, and our leading researcher Suzanne Landers, and featuring legendary paranormal broadcaster Jim Harold. Anomicon 20206 brings together researchers, journalists, filmmakers, authors, experiencers, and investigators from all around the world. And best thing about Anomicon,

there's no travel, no hotels, no expensive tickets whatsoever. It is 100% free to watch. Join us for fascinating ideas, original presentations, anomalous-themed music videos, and a global community exploring the unknown together. Watch Anomicon 2020 this September 12th on the Summer in the Sky's YouTube channel. And to learn all about our speakers and their presentations, be sure to visit Anomicon.com. Links are in the video description or the podcast show notes. We hope to see you there September 12th. And remember, The Anomalous is waiting for you at Anomicon, 26. Oh yeah. I mean, it took them a while. I think, you know, when I kind of, it was, I threw two curveballs at my family.

And the first was I left pursuing being a professional baseball player to be No shit. I mean, that's cool though. That's cool. It's cool. Well, you're giving up sports. I think sports is something else because I got like, I saw my buddies like, I had two friends that were really good at high school sports.

And it was like one injury in their whole career is over. Yeah. Everything they've been preparing for. since there were five years old is over. And what has Kirk Douglas shown is that you can be an actor for forever. Forever, man. It's a forever job. If you let it.

If you let it. Yeah. So that was the first curveball I throw them. And then it was the I want to pursue UFOs with every waking moment of my life when I'm not acting or when I'm not playwriting or when I'm not doing my nine to five job. And I think they were a little scared at first. thought I was going down. Well,

the track record of view ofology is not bright. Exactly. And I know we'll be talking about that. You hold on to your love. You hold on to your love. You make sure you check in. I mean it. I was during as these.

So my wife and I, we were having a staycation. We were like, we've been working real hard for downtown stay weekend. We're like, we're going to go. We're going to go do a nice little like stay at a hotel. like, you know, like, let somebody else clean the house for two days and we'll, like, be like, you know, be sexy or whatever.

Meanwhile, shit's getting blown out of the sky. I'm watching C-SPAN. Like, I'm literally like watching C-SPAN and talking and like, doing my aliens. And like, Natalie comes in. She's like, we need to go on a horse ride. We're supposed to go to a horse ride. And I was like, you're right? You're right?

And she understands, she married me. You didn't mean the same things. It's like, you're already in this boat. I don't know what to tell you. You're an, guess what, baby? You are an unofficial euthologist now. Unfortunately, you're the first sad of this euphologist wife. Proxy, baby.

I know. But no, but she's super into the material too. So like as I talk about it, but it is really funny to try to like be super like romantic and fun and emotionally connected. Meanwhile, like it's me just being like, what's out there, Joe? Like I'm like yelling at the president's face just being like, you know, I'm like, into me, Joe. and then come back and trying to make love.

It's hard, man. I mean, every day. And I know most of our listeners and viewers probably struggle with that too. Like, these topics take a hold of you because it's a burning curiosity. And it could ultimately change everything about life, about existence if we were to ever get any of those answers. I also, I'm still just counting on that thing that means we all never have to work ever again. Like, let them just come and then we just go up there. I'll be a jester for the reptilians.

It's like put me, I mean, I'll be, I'm fun. I'll be like, you know, I don't know what they'll want me to do. It'll probably put various things up my butt. You know what I mean? I know that I know. Apparently that's a thing. I know. Well, hey, yeah, I mean, my family is so supportive now.

I think, you know, once they saw that the world was now taking it seriously and that there could be a core phenomenon happening, what that is, nobody truly. knows, at least I don't think they do. That was the moment where I think, like, I could sit at a bar with my dad. And, you know, instead of, like, watching the Detroit Lions or something, we're having a conversation about the Rendezum Forest incident or something like that, you know? Take it back to narrative.

And he's the one asking me about it. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's kind of nice. I mean, I've had to learn, I've learned, like, four sports names so that I could talk to other men so that I don't always talk about UFOs. but it is a thing where it is interesting how the topic really blows stuff up. Like we went to go shoot a little pilot presentation for last podcast,

and the last podcast network. And we went to research on the, you know, the Stephenville, Ohio, like Stephenville, Texas, the group siting. So we went down there to go talk to a bunch of people. And that's, it brings people out of the woodwork because they were this, it's a very small town in Texas. as we were coming like they were not happy that we were there at first like we were getting a lot of people like driving past and blowing their horns and people yelling us at stuff like and then

at the end of it like it was pretty hostile but all these guys that were yelling at us we were doing this bar shoot they'd be like oh you got an alien you do an alien thing I got a UFO store to tell you and then they just like all of a sudden they're your best friend and they're saying like hyper emotional like because it's good. again, the phenomena opens people up. Like there's, and even these like hardened Texans are like, like talking about how like, we were interviewing this like little guy. He was a sheriff dude.

He was like maybe five foot tall like four feet wide though, like a dull jack guy with a crew cut. And he was intense. But like at the end, like he's getting emotional because he was just like it like it affected him. He was like watching. He was like, so you're not thing up in the sky. made me understand that we're not alone in this world. And it was like, damn, like it's, it really does have its, UFOs have that grassroots kind of emotional effect that like,

I just wanted to tell that dude being like, all you had to do is take mushrooms one time. And you could have avoided a lot of this mess. Like you really could have gotten a little bit more empathy into the system. But whatever works, like if it takes aliens, that maybe that's the control system that Jacques Valet, talks about. Exactly.

There's many roads to get to the same destination, I think. And just be in chill. Being chill. Yeah. And it makes you feel more human. I honestly feel that whatever these phenomena represent, they put us back in our shoes. When you see a UFO,

holy shit. Like you've never felt closer to the ground in front of you in that moment. Instead of scrolling on your phone or thinking about what's for dinner, or how am I going to pay the next bill? You see that thing in the sky that's not supposed to be there. And boom, you're put back into the present moment

like never before. And that's what I love about it, the immediacy, the vulnerability and someone like you said with this, this Texan sheriff, like he probably doesn't open up to anyone like he did.

Like that. So that's really cool. It felt it. And I'm just so jealous to you guys who really have seen something. I finally saw my first orb and everyone's making fun in me because I say I didn't see anything

Oh, they said, oh, you're drunk And I was like, uh, I might have been But also I know what I saw I know what I saw. I saw like, again, it was like I saw a blob Floating down a train track and like, you know, I saw it down south And they all got stories of that ghost train

That's ghost train You know, you're like, that's ghost train But it's interesting like that's the closest I ever got Because you saw like an actual like Well, I want to cover in our interview, but you saw an actual hard object in the sky, right? To an extent, I saw a structured formation of lights that I could not see anything behind it. So I assume it was a structured craft. But I didn't see like machinery.

We'll talk about it on last podcast. But over, yeah. Over under. Are triangles U.S. tech? What's your over under are triangles U.S. tech? I have a feeling that the triangles are U.S. tech and that the, the, there's a, there's a mixture of like, and if you did like straight up, it's just like when you see a flying saucer, nobody knows what the hell that is. Yeah. Yeah.

But I don't know. What do you think? I, I honestly think with the triangles, we're dealing with manmade craft with some other technology. I honestly feel like it's the hybrid craft If there is one Do guys come to you With stuff? Because I get some of these And some might take

Some I take word for word And some are more like I don't know what you're doing Like people being like I got secret information for you I got secret pictures I got videos that you can't share And

When you see that stuff Like what do you do with it? Like does it just inform Like it's informed me I don't know what's real or what's not real. It just informed me that the thing is really deep. But it's like,

is there anything that you've seen that you're not allowed to show that you're like, I'm sorry, I flipped this on you. You got to take this for me. You got to take this show from me, dog. Pull it back. No,

that is a great question because I want to, I want to know from you too. Like I get emails all the time. I get people sending me, whether it's photos, videos, testimony or documents. and I mean, I take everyone and look at it.

You know, I think there's value to anyone who's willing to take the time to reach out to me. But it's such a subjective thing. Like when I get sent something and they say, oh, my God, man, like, this is going to be earth changing or like this can't be shown to anyone. And then I look and it's a photo of like just a blurry light in the sky. Well, because I understand that person. must have been freaking out. Absolutely. And I'm not going to take that from them.

No, and they're taking a picture. They're like, their hands are shaking. They're trying to take a picture of a thing, which is, I don't know if you've tried to take a picture of what you think is an anomalous light in the sky. And then I take the picture and it just looks awful. Like, it's just not good, you know. But it, they felt the feeling of seeing something

and then desperate to, desperate to catch it. And I, you know, because, you know, you see it in all. the subreddits. The main critique, which is, if they were real, wouldn't we have TikTok like full like 1080 like HD view of these things? And it's like, I actually don't know if we would. I don't know whether or not if it is conscious in and of itself. It seems if you do believe in the, you know, I love the Newkirk's.

Greg and Dan and Newkirk do a whole show about like mixing like all of these sorts of like these topics at once like cryptids, ghosts, aliens, and talk about the capital P phenomena. And the idea that like there is a trickster aspect that like kind of likes to flirt and it doesn't want you to take a picture of it. And it also seems to be a dance between the object and the viewer or how many times you've seen all of these witness accounts talking like that same thing being like, I felt like it knew I was watching it.

and it was doing a it was doing a performance for me. Like it was with a demonstration that term you see that comes up a lot. And so like, so you think that thing's gonna dance around

but doesn't want you if I can take a camera man. It's like Dave Chappelle. He's trying to work stuff out. Like it doesn't want you to be there for it. It doesn't want you to nail it down. Because as soon as we start nailing it down, I mean, you know,

again, you could have the best HD picture picture of a full, saucer that you want. And there's going to be somebody that's going to take it apart, as they should. I don't even blame them. I don't even blame them. Like, sure, yeah, of course. Attack it.

Go at it. You're supposed to. But it's like, you know, you're not going to make people believe. Look at this stuff. Look what's been happening in the last like six years. Is that like, you know, I did a bit in our live show about like, UFOs became real and absolutely nothing changed. So why don't we, you know, who cares? It's like,

why do they think that there is such a corporate thing to even keep it all down? I feel like it's just the phenomenon is hard to capture. Yeah, absolutely, man. It's crazy. And I think that's where the true, like, disclosure comes. It comes with each person who sees something. And it, you know, if we're going to get like metaphysical, like the true disclosure is from within. Like, don't trust the government entity.

Yeah, exactly. I don't need the U.S. government and make it legal for me to believe. I'm going to disclose to myself because if I don't. disclose to myself, ain't nobody going to disclose for me. And I think that's what this is about. You really, it's about, again, it's letting,

what's the control system supposed to be? It's supposed to be about looking up at the sky, taking a moment to be with yourself and the universe, and you would be surprised what comes out of that hello. You'd be surprised what comes out of just joining into the flow of nature.

And yes, even if you're, you know, what do you see now on online all the time? People say touch grass or whatever. But it's like just being out, just looking at sky, looking for UFOs, is going to even accidentally make you more connected to the universe of large. And there's, there's something about that. Like, I don't know if there's a direct personality baked into the operating system that is our reality.

I don't know if there is something like that. Like, like, but there's something to be said about how the phenomena is, just saying like all we want you to do is pay attention to your heartbeat for a second. Like all we want you to do is to pull your head out of your ass. Just for a second and not think about all your garbage and just flow, flow with the universe. Because obviously, yeah, we're shooting these things out of the sky, maybe, whatever this thing is that we're shooting. But it's like, it's just floating there. You know, like, it's not zigzagging around.

It's not doing even doing the other shit. It's not even like turn it on nuclear reactors. It's not doing anything. It's just parked. You know, like, and there's something to be said about that. There's something to be said about, like, having a moment of stillness. And this is me saying it, Lord of fucking chaos that lives in a world of shit. But it's like, it is, there's something about that, about literally what Whitley Streber talks about, like, you know, literally communion.

And what does it mean to try to give it up to nature? for seconds at a time. Yeah. And it'll change you. It will. It will. And then, you know, like, those,

like, have you ever did, have you watched a new documentary series on Netflix about mushrooms? The, Paul and Stamets. It's like, it's really interesting,

but it's basically just talking about the psychic qualities of mushrooms speaking to each other, that it's not psychic, because it's mycelium spreading throughout the soil, but there's a lot to learn about the way mushrooms behave.

that probably are a mirror to how our consciousness works inside of our reality. Oh, interesting. And that we're not, we're remote, that our consciousness is remote. And they're all like plugged in.

And then I was just reading, do you ever read Gene Wolfe? Yeah, yeah, shadow of the executioner and all that kind of stuff. I was reading a short story by him last night

and him talking about like in this future that they understand that like they struggled for years to isolate particles and saying how like, They used to call them electrons and protons. And now we understand there's only one basic element and one basic particle. And we are all it.

And it's all happening at the same time. And I was like, I know I'm high as balls right now, but I do believe that this is like more towards the truth than not. That it's like this thing, you know, that it's very wooy-woo, very fern gully. But I do think that there's something to it. interesting I'll have to check that out well hey man his short stories are great

Gene Wolffin oh yeah great he's these he freaks me out yes to a to an extent where I think it freaks you out

but it also again it makes you think and it makes you wonder and that's what this is all about yeah so I love it well hey I got a couple you got me positive you got me positive because it was good

because I'm screaming. It's so nice. And I'm still screaming, but I'm happy. Hey, if that's what this conversation is for, then we've both done our jobs. I got to get my blood pressure checked on Friday. I don't know what it's, I'm afraid. Oh, no. I don't know what.

Oh, no. Stay away from C-SPAN. I'll tell you not. Oh, God. All right, my man. So we're going to head over to last podcast soon, but I got to get some listener questions in. Yes, please. Before we go, if that's cool.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Awesome. Awesome. So Black Cat Report on Patreon asks, what advice would you give to a new podcaster trying to grow a community? I know we touched on that earlier, but yeah, anything you can really say to someone who's just getting involved in the podcasting world? You have to have a naive attachment to doing the show. Like, you really need to ask yourself to like, do I want to do this all the time and really love it? And get into it. And the main. the key is showing up same time, same place, each week, every week, being dependable. There really is, the internet has a little bit, like, I was talking about somebody, the internet is a medium and the fact that, like, you can build a trust with an audience that you can, that film and TV can't. And it's building a place for people to go.

And it's really being there, you know, rain or shine. You know, I remember when I was starting to do comedy. in New York, I think the same axiom applies where it's like you do the same show for three people that you do for 5,000 people. Like you do the same show because you're really just trying to, you should be so in love with the craft of it that you're willing to move forward and you just do it sustainably. That's what it's like making a way that it's sustainable for you and you do it regularly. And then all of a sudden you're just going to wake up and you're going to have a whole body

of work and there's going to be a bunch of people there too. lose yourself in a little bit of the work, but in a 20, mindset, like, you do need to create space for yourself as well. Like you do, you got to, you got to like play a video game, walk away. Like, you got to like do that stuff so that it is something you're super excited about coming back around to and doing. Such a good point. And try, yeah.

And do what works and drop what don't. Like literally there's nothing sacred. I think that's also an important thing too. It's like there's nothing sacred. If the episode sucks, scrap it, redo it. If they got to wait for it, if they got to wait for it, then they'll wait for it because it's better for you to show up with the shit good versus like, that's all right. It's whatever.

You know what I mean? Yeah, just put out there. It's like, especially in the beginning stages, like really, really go for it. Because when we started, we didn't under, we didn't fully grasp that everything was going to be permanent. You know? Like, we. sort of thought it. But we didn't really understand that it's there forever. So that's it. Yeah. I love it. I love

that, man. That's good advice for me too. I wish I knew. We all do. Jonathan asks, actually, we had quite a few people ask this question. What is your favorite case? What case would you put before a skeptic or the public at large to be like, you need to pay attention to this. Like, it's documented. something truly anomalous is happening. Do you have like a case you kind of would hang your hat on? I mean, these days, I would put it towards Rendlesham. I still think Rendell Shim is, I love, I love that story. There is, there is a lot to that story,

mainly because of the nature of where it happened. Like it happened at this like, essentially like a place for us to hide our nuclear weapons in Europe. Like, like it's very compelling. I think that's really interesting. A bunch of people who are trained to observe or people who saw it. I think that also points towards

a little bit of physical evidence. A whole bunch of people there to kind of account for it happening. I think it's interesting. And I think the aerial school group siting in Zimbabwe is also harrowing and just again,

it points more towards the physical slash psychic nature of the phenomena. And there's that a bunch of kids all seeing the same thing, drawn pictures of it independently. There, that story freaks me out. Because everything else kind of gets mired and stuff.

Like you have, everything else, there's so much noise around it. And also kind of what Jacques-Fillet was doing in Brazil. All of those stories are very, again, he's a legit researcher. telling these stories. And there's,

but yeah, I think Rendell Shum and Ariel School are like my favorites in terms of like, these are hyper, these are very, very compelling, especially when I bought that like 250,

like was a 2,500 page self-published book. The guy wrote about the information that was like downloaded into his head. Yeah, after he touched the craft. And you're like, who man, this guy did something happen to this guy.

I don't know what happened. But he is. he got busy. I got to write a comic book and each one's 22 pages and it is difficult. The idea of writing 2,500 pages, something happened. Something happened out there, man. It's definitely one of my favorite. I'm hoping to actually get the forest soon since I'm here.

I got to go. I got to go. I know. I got to take advantage of it for sure. Touch that ground. Do it for the show. Then you can just leave it work. We used to do those whole time.

I kind of miss doing the remotes. because you can kind of mix it up with people and do interviews on the ground. And like, I'm certain that you'll dig up a bunch of like people that were there. Like it sounds really, that would be incredible. Yeah, I'm on it. I'm on it, man. You've inspired me. Like, I just got to learn how to drive on the other side of the road.

I'm very scared. I wouldn't do. I don't know. I'm not ready. Last time we were in Europe, I wanted to try. I'm with one time I have a vision of doing like a driving trip around Europe. I think that would be fun to do. But you got to get used to.

You do. You do. All right. Last listener question, Henry. I know we got to get, we got to wrap things up here shortly. Do you, oh, here we go. Does Henry agree with Jacques Valet's position? Up, there you go. He said the golden name, Jacques Valet's position on the phenomenon as outlined in passport to McGonia. Or do you have your own theories about what we're dealing with? Well, I talked a little bit about it, but I do think that, let's just say, I've had chemical help with this, but I also understand it's very wooy-woo. But I really do believe that anything that you can imagine is real at some point, someplace, some dimension. Things are just real. If you thought of it, you almost kind of just made it real somewhere. Like, I really think that there's something to, and that there's so many layers to the phenomena that I think Jacques Valet is, look, that's the one I like, because I really appreciate the concept of there's a half a world that we're not paying attention to, which is like the psychic realm. That to me is, again, just unexplored science versus woo we will. like it's way more like we just don't really fully

maybe understand or have fully can even can investigate what our observation does to reality and when like how our group perception dominates reality and then like you know what is an outside of intelligence what is an outside intelligence poking its way into our view of the world and the way Jacques Valet paints this concept of like you know charging all of these stories through folklore to now and equating, you know,

little people and, and, and, and, and, and, and different things to what we now view as like, you know,

grays and aliens, I think it's just really appropriate. I just think that it doesn't fit all the way in. So it's like, I think that whatever we just blew up, if it's not what I said on side stories, I do believe it's probably our private tech that, we're blowing up. But if it's not that and we're just blowing up these weird bogies in the sky,

that's something else too. Like, you know, I don't know what that is. Like there's something else. And then like, then I've had listeners say to me because like I'm way into the psychic thing. And then recently I had a listener who was like, you keep, you're honestly, you keep saying the psychic thing. But whoever is abducting me is pretty physical. And then it's like, damn, that's like a whole other thing that I don't particularly understand. I, did a narration for documentary about the hybrid program but gray's like and the way

these women talk about this it's the same as sexual assault they talk about this like like truly they experience something and then the the grief and of watching your baby be taking from you and you can see these gray there and like is that a psychic

projection from something else I don't know is that concrete concrete reality they're feeling like it is so it's just very it's just it's just it's just so interesting and it lies at the very weird hazy point of of of observation and what is real you know then you get to the bill clinton what does is mean like that very bottom neutrino of logic of like what is real and i you know i feel like we're fucking too heavy on it dog we're also fucking concerned about what's real dog when it's like the only thing I know is that like I can't wish taxes away even though like I wish I could they keep that's a persistent thing that keeps fucking rolling in so I don't

know I mean who knows but yes of course Jacques Ville I've been heavily inspired by because I also I think that any one explanation is too reductive of what we're experiencing absolutely I love that what is real I think that's a good place to kind of leave everyone wondering here. Quit your job, man. Quit your job. Don't like, fuck Jeff, dude. Oh, Jeff wants you to come in extra on Saturday? Be like,

what is the objective nature of reality, Jeff? With Ben Kistel, we have our active axiom, which is time is not real, but schedules are. So yes, we know time to construct, but we have a, we have a

Zoom link. that goes active at 1.45. Okay. Let's do it. Let's do it. It's done. It's done. Henry, brother, I know we only scratched the surface.

I've got to get you back on. Such a fan. I'm so glad to be here. Love the show. Great work. We'll keep going back and forth. You could tell the other euphologists. I'm sorry if I've made fun of them.

That's an extension to my own insecurity. You can let them know. I know for a fact that it's like because we all have the same Winnie the Pooh-shaped body and this is just how it is. This is just this is the lot we've been given. That is reality. Yeah, it is.

Dude, before you go, please let us know where we can find everything you guys do over there and where we can learn more about you. Check out last podcast on the left at LP on the left and all the various socials. I have a bunch of different projects I'm working on. Like right now if you want to check out, I do a show for adult swim called Your Pretty Faces Going to Hell. I don't do it anymore.

It's been canceled, but I just say it out of just grief, remorse. And then, but we have a new series on YouTube. We have YouTube cartoons versions of it that we've been doing now. And honestly, we're doing a bunch of stuff. I'm very excited. I'm writing a comic book for Dark Horse called Operation Sunshine. That's a vampire heist story that'll be coming out in October. It's really fun

You know Just like I don't know Very lucky And I'm here man I love it See my bullshit Because I don't really

You can look at my socials But it doesn't matter I just post it I basically just advertise For everything else So it doesn't really It's all I know

It's all things together Well hey We're gonna go head over To your Patreon To continue the conversation So everybody I don't know when this will go up But

head over to the last podcast on the left patron we're going to continue our UFO conversation over there and henry i can't wait man to have you back on in the near future um and we will speak soon thank you so much brother of course bro hell say it man