Somewhere in the Skies - Interdimensional (w/ Ronny LeBlanc)

Episode Date: January 19, 2026

We welcome back Ronny LeBlanc to discuss his new book, Interdimensional, exploring how UFOs, cryptids, consciousness, and paranormal phenomena may be interconnected aspects of a deeper, layered reality. Drawing from firsthand encounters, including plasma-like aerial entities, cloaked beings, and shared anomalous experiences, LeBlanc challenges the traditional “nuts and bolts” UFO narrative and reframes the phenomenon through an interdimensional and consciousness-based lens. This wide-ranging conversation examines ancient accounts, modern sightings, perception, fear, spirituality, and the evolving nature of reality itself, offering listeners a thought-provoking exploration of what may be shaping humanity’s ongoing encounters with the unknown. Buy Interdimensional at: https://www.ronnyleblanc.com/ Chapters: 00:00 – Moving Beyond the Nuts-and-Bolts UFO Narrative 03:58 – Why Interdimensional Needed to Be Written 08:12 – UFOs, Cryptids, and the Role of Consciousness 12:46 – The Thunderbird Encounter and Living Plasma Phenomena 18:40 – Biological UFOs and Ancient Sky Creatures 23:22 – Perception, Frequency, and Why Witnesses See Different Things 28:37 – Cloaked Beings, Rock-Throwing, and Intelligent Interaction 34:55 – Consciousness as the Interface to the Phenomenon 39:28 – Ancient Accounts, Ezekiel’s Wheel, and Timeless Encounters 43:18 – 🔒 Patreon Break 45:10 – Interdimensional Reality and the Architect of Existence 48:58 – Final Reflections, Fear, Meaning, and What Comes Next Please take a moment to rate and review us on Spotify and Apple. Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Substack: https://ryansprague.substack.com/ All Socials and Books: https://linktr.ee/somewhereskiespod Email: [e-mail] SpectreVision Radio: https://www.spectrevision.com/podcasts Opening Theme Song by Septembryo Copyright © 2026 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #UFOs #UAP #Interdimensional #Paranormal #ParanormalPodcast #Cryptids #Consciousness #HighStrangeness #SomewhereInTheSkies #UFOCommunity #FringeScience #Spiritual #Bigfoot Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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is not only quite probable, some feel that is there without a doubt. Let us suppose them that these objects are real space vehicles, extraterrestrial origin, and not an illusion of the mind. I'm Ryan Spray, and you are now somewhere in the sea. God. Welcome to somewhere in the skies and a very warm welcome to our return guest. You see him on your screen right now. You love him. You know him from things such as Expedition Bigfoot. You know him from his books, Monster Land, but he has a brand new book coming out, guys. And I want to get the title right here. Ron, the interdimensional consciousness cryptids and the hidden architecture of reality. So I am so, excited to break this down today with our guest, Ronnie LeBlanc. Welcome back, my man.

Great seeing you. Thanks for having me. I was excited to talk to you. And you're the first podcast that I'm doing with the book is now available out there. But you're the first person that's helping to drive some awareness. So thank you very much. Of course, man. When I first heard about this book, you know, UFOs are in the news all the time. You know, but we're we're kind of in this weird, I guess, nebulous area where everything has to do with the government and very nuts and bolts, bureaucratic, like national security threats, all that sort of stuff. And it kind of makes someone like me sad because I have spent the last couple decades researching UFOs from a very human perspective. People who have seen these things.

I mean, in fact, you have a story in my book here. That's right. Yeah, which you'll be sharing today because it's in your new book as well. And that's what I love about this stuff, you know, asking these big questions of UFOs, cryptids, the paranormal. And you have a heck of a lot of experience with all three of those, right? It's weird. And I don't like, you know, people like, you seem to be a magnet. I'm not like a Chris Bletso kind of things are happening all the time,

but there seems to be something going on, and it's going in between cryptids. It's going in between UFOs and that. And like what you're saying too with UFOs and everything that's happening now, it's mind-blowing that they're talking about remote viewing, that they're talking about using the term like Rep and Aluna interdimensional when she's talking to Joe Rogan explaining after, being in a skiff, and this is what she's hearing from people that are in the know.

And to talk about my Thunderbird experience, which is in your book, in my new book, as well, starts right in the first chapter, we've always had this, you know, when it comes to UFOs, that they're nuts and bolts, that they're craft. But people are also seeing things that seem to be plasma-based or almost alive. And that was my Thunderbird experience. with my wife. And the consciousness piece, it's as if something is listening and starts to interact. And we were in the garage. This was two weeks before we're going to move into our new house. And we're here now. We're closer to Lemster State Forest and Monsterland. We live right next to Barrett State Park. My property abuts that. And I was remarking to my wife, we're in the garage with the door open.

summer night a couple weeks before July 4th and I said you know I'm so excited to move to the new house we're closing we're going to be closer to Monster Land we're going to see some weird stuff and it was like a few minutes later we're just talking and something touches Amy's leg and with the garage door open wearing shorts I just assumed it was a moth or a Japanese beetle had kind of brush against her leg

but she was like no it felt like a son like a hand or something just pushed on me. A couple of minutes later, we're talking about mundane stuff, what we're bringing, what we're leaving, happens again. And she's like, Ronnie, something just touched me in my leg the same spot again. Another few minutes goes by, and the third time was enough that she shot up out of her seat. She said it felt like feathers just grazed across her leg. And she said, her words, I'm getting weird, fairy vibes.

and I was just kind of like, all right, there's something going. I said, I think someone's trying to get your attention. Let's go outside. So we get up out of our chairs. We walked a short maybe 50 feet and we turn and face the house. And it was, the timing was insane because it literally was like a film started like opening scene. And here comes this orange, reddish plasma based. The best description would be like a dragon or a phoenix.

and I just seemed to equate it with a thunderbird. And I couldn't see, you know, like wings or beak or things like that. But it was the size of a school bus, and it was moving like a dragon flying in the sky. And we noticed it was chasing after a green one just in front of it the same size. And they were moving like dolphins, you know, undulating under the water. And we were just blown away. And this was all silent. We both were seeing it at the same time.

and right after they kind of made their appearance, they slowly went out of view, and they were going somewhere, and I just had this feeling. I didn't hear a voice, but just had that gut feeling, don't go anywhere, there's more coming because of all these different experiences and encounters they have,

there seems to be sometimes more than one. And sure enough, here comes this green beach ball size, ball of light, and the book of Ezekiel talks about a wheel within a wheel. And as this thing has come, coming over, and this is closer to us now, so we can actually watch its path as it's going over our house. And I see this stuff spinning inside of this thing.

And as it gets closer to us, it flares up as if it's aware and recognizes that we're watching it. Again, completely silent follows after those first two. And then the third thing that starts coming is Amy spots it in the sky, and she at this point grabs her phone and starts to film, what looks like a bird kind of flying whitish blue, a smaller version of those first two thunderbirds. And it flies right over and right before it hits the tree line, if you freeze frame it, I'll post this up on my socials again. It looks like wings. So what people may have described

in ancient times as angels or these different things, we saw what would be unidentified, you know, unexplained aerial phenomena that was not a craft, at least that we could see with our or perceive with our eyes, but it was a lot. And it was something that I think the ancients have seen and I described the, you know,

the dragons and the phoenix. It just seems to follow in all of that, but just from a different cultural perspective or perception. Wow, man. And I'm praying for it to happen again. So, Universe, if you're listening, Yes, please. Well, you know, what's so funny, Ronnie, is just last week on the podcast,

I explored UFOs of the Wild West, you know, going back to the early days of the pioneers and the frontier and the Native Americans. And there was one story towards the end of the episode where there were several cowboys who actually came into contact with what they called a flying serpent in the air. but it made mechanical sounds. It seemed to be like different lights were coming off of this thing. It didn't have feathers or anything like that. And they also described that undulating sort of rhythm.

And it's so crazy that just a week later, I'm now having you on the show. And this was like this big experience for you and your wife. So it's, you know, these things date back much further than like the 1800s. You know, You mentioned the book of Ezekiel, things like that. That is such a unique experience. And you use that word alive, which I love that.

I love this idea of like biological UFOs or phenomena, sky critters, as they used to call them, you know. Right. Stuff like that. And we're hearing that more so now, right? With consciousness being that component, that missing element, that component that you need, even like the sports model, Bob Lazar, with the craft that he was working on, there were no controls, nothing inside,

but there were grooves for hands. There was a small seat for something three to four feet. But the idea was that consciousness is what actually activates the craft and the pilot or whoever is the non-human intelligence. That's how it all works. And the idea, too, that UFOs may not be spaceships, but could be time machines,

and we're hearing that were, they seem to have this ability to mess with space time. We have just missing time with the experience where suddenly 40 minutes is gone. So you have all these different things that are just pointing to something much larger that we're connecting with. Right. Zooming out, sort of. That's where I want to go with you. So, you know, we have the Monsterland books, you know, with all of these regional cases that you come across throughout the years.

You had a bunch of different experiences on your time looking for Bigfoot on the television show. You know, you've done paranormal witness, all these different things, whether it's ghosts, UFO, scripted, insert weird thing here. In this book, Interdimensional, you really do tackle everything and try to make sense of it, try to find patterns. So I guess my question for you is, what really compelled you to write interdimensional? What got you in that headspace to stop kind of looking at these things compartmentalizing them and kind of trying to bring them together? What inspired interdimensional is my... You know, you said this place was steps from the water.

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and they seemed to echo something else was going on And I think the big piece that really pushed me was my personal experience in just having encounters with these things. And that's a paradigm shift. And I think this whole thing is something that has to happen on a personal level. And I'll give you an example of it really quickly that there were three people that were driving in a car. One was a believer in Bigfoot. The other one, the girlfriend was so-so, and the other did not believe at all. And they were in Michigan somewhere in the Upper Peninsula, and lo and behold, off to the right, they see a bigfoot.

So the believer sees a full Bigfoot 3D, hair, eyes, features all that. His girlfriend that was in between saw the silhouette or a shadow person in the form of a Bigfoot. And the third person that didn't believe didn't see anything. So it seems to be perception-based in the sense of, are you tuning into that frequency? And if you are, they're aware that you're tuned in as well. And then you start to have interactions that might start off with nature, with, you know, talk about spirit animals and Native American shamanism, things like this.

You start to get these weird signs that seem to show up if you're in the present moment and aware. And that continues to happen as you kind of go through this. So synchronistic events and things like that seem to get stacked. And then you start talking to other people that are having very similar experiences, maybe in their own way, shape, or form, but you can relate to it. And once you start sharing the strange stories, people start going, all right, let me tell you. Yes, you know. Because they're like, okay, there's somebody that can trust.

Because there's still a stigma around this, but it seems it's happening way more. And now we have podcasts like yours. We have social media. We have different conduits to do. deliver these experiences to the masses. And I think there's, we're going backwards again and the idea of spirit science where we kind of split those two apart. I think we're realizing, oh, no, no, no, they do belong together because they do seem to

operate under the same, you know, architect. Yeah, architect. Ooh, I like that word. We'll get there. We'll get there. There's one story in the new book, Interdimensional, that you bring up. And that's the story of the cloaked being. I feel like this kind of plays into what you're talking about here as well.

Would you mind kind of paint in that picture for us with that story if you don't mind? Yeah. Yeah. So are you talking about with the backyard situation? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was wild too because I've had a lot of experiences with my wife. And she's also had experience separate to that.

So in the first book of Monsterland, I talked to Mike Patterson from Sasquatch, Ontario, which is a very controversial figure, and he was getting all these marbles. So I talked to him for two hours, like, how do I get these marbles? And I talked about in the book, three separate instances where these marbles,

you know, appeared or manifested, and Amy witnessed one of these just kind of out of finare was there. And when I was filming with Expedition Bigfoot in Alaska, I was maybe there for two weeks, and she was leaving the house, our new house, driving down the road, maybe 100 yards. And a figure came out of the woods that ran across the road. And this is the kind of the cover art idea here for the new book, was she saw a form that she could see the outline. And it looked like static electricity on the inside, but she could see through it. It ran across the road in front of her.

And she slammed on the brakes thinking she was going to hit somebody. And it ran up this embankment and just disappeared. And so when I got back home from Alaska, I felt like I had taken something back with me, you know? Yeah. It just didn't feel myself. I felt kind of agitated. I couldn't really explain it, but I just felt like there was something else that was happening. So when I was home, I had about a week and then I had to go do a Michigan UFO contact conference.

that I was speaking at. But my wife was outside, daytime, backyard on the porch, on the phone with her sister. And our backyard of butts, we have some more property that goes, but it's all woods, there's a brook that goes through. It's prick and bush.

Nobody's walking through this. It's like a jungle. And we could see visually through this. And she was hearing something crashing and thrashing through the woods, and she's trying to get eyes on it. She couldn't see anything. And she's calling for me, like screaming,

Ronnie, get out here. You know, I was thinking it's a bear. And I finally get outside, and her eyes are all lit up. A rock came out of the woods and hit our shed, made a hole in our metal shed. And she said it impacted so loud that her sister could hear the impact

on the other side of the phone. And so I'm looking around. I go, a rock. And we know there's no kids kind of going through. That's a possibility. but this is Bigfoot behavior like 101 where they start throwing rocks. And I got the idea as I'm looking

and she couldn't see anything. I was going to reach out to Chris Duncan who we had on Expedition Bigfoot, who was a remote viewer. And I was like, this is so silly. But I texted him, I said, hey, dude, we just had a rock thrown from the backyard, hit our shed.

Amy couldn't see anything. I didn't see it, but she's freaking out. I have this weird feeling that we might have some activity or Bigfoot activity right behind us. I go, can you remote view? And I gave the address kind of like the longitude and latitude. And he goes, hold on.

And we're waiting. And about a minute later, he texts back. You're on to something. And I'm like, what? Look at me. And he then goes into it and says, there's two. There's a juvenile and there's a parental type figure, a mom or whatever. and they're both cloaking, the juvenile is the one that threw the rock.

And I'm like, what? I want to believe in this. But this sounds insane. So I was like, he says, da-da-da-da. And there was no more activity. I had to then leave for the Michigan UFO conference. And this was just on my mind. There was something that was not letting me accept this,

even though I've experienced this as a kid. We've experienced this on the show with the cloaking. and I was like, there's no way. So I end up getting back from Michigan, and it's like one in the morning, couldn't sleep, tossing and turning. And then finally, I decide, you know what? I'm going to do a little experiment.

I'm going to go in the backyard. And I felt like I just couldn't sleep. So it was almost as if it was beckoning for me to come back outside. So I went to the edge of the deck and looked out in the backyard. We have a chain link fence, and behind that is where. all this stuff was kind of happening or emanating from. So I made it almost a little bit difficult.

So I did it verbalize what I wanted to do. I mentally projected, you know, we talk about with Bigfoot MindSpeak and all this. And I've never experienced. I never got like a voice or anything like that. You get feelings to get out and different things. But I decided that I was going to communicate. And I just got to the edge looking out and I said,

all right, if this is real, I want you to throw a rock at the shed right now. And I mean right effing. And before I can say now, boom, a rock hits the shed. If you see like the water challenge where they're dumping cold water, from the top of my head all the way down to my toes,

I felt the surge of energy that just like put me into this place of fear, but also the sense of power. And I then said out loud, I go, okay, you're in charge. I'm going to bed. And I turned around, and we tell our kids, our kids have had experiences, weird stuff, since I've been into this. And my daughter, Lena, had opened up the window of the second floor and yelled out,

Dad, I just heard that. Like, she saw me out there. So she confirmed that it wasn't something, me hearing that Rock hit it in my head. She heard it as well. So that was where I was like, wow, there's a consciousness thing happening here. There's cloaking seems to be legitimate. And even though we don't understand it, we're experiencing it. Well, from a, boy, okay.

As a family unit, I have to ask, Ronnie. Like, how do you guys go on day to day? Like going to work, making breakfast, you know, sitting down. watching a movie when like you have cloaked beings out there and spine serpent UFO like how do you as a human being function when these things are you know like some of us have one experience and that's it you know and you sort of you wrestle with that but here you are like just living this day and day out it's it's wild because there's definitely pockets of time where it seems to get amplified and then there's times where there's there's nothing

really happening, but maybe we're not paying attention, maybe we're not asking for it, maybe we're not, you know, looking for it. But all of our kids have had similar type of what you would term as paranormal experiences. We've had, you know, one of my same daughter, Lena, we saw light being appear in the door, we saw like balls of fire flying in the house. So luckily it's been pretty quiet as of late, but I think it probably will start picking up again in spring and summer months, which seems to be the activity is a little bit more intense. Interesting.

Okay. There's a lot of different ways I think we can go with this. What I think would be good for our audience who are used to just like UFOs and like the nuts and bolts of that is the term interdimensional. You know, whenever I think of this, Ronnie, I'm thinking like, you know, Marvel comics with the multi-person, stuff like that. And that's different universes everywhere.

But then you're talking interdimensional, like literally from within almost. So what made you kind of want to make that the stamp of the book? Like this is the theory, this is the framework I'm going to work. Right. Yeah, I think, again, just based off personal experience and how it seems as if everyone was kind of getting to that point as well, A lot of people were kind of, that made more sense. I remember just doing talks and just using Bigfoot as an example, you know, flesh and blood camp.

And then other people would say, nope, there's a weird high strangeness going on. They're leaving items in our house and there's, you know, they're just showing up in there. So there's all these different layers to it. And also what we're seeing with even science, where we don't know what consciousness is. is we don't even now, you know, reality's becoming a little bit more even analyzed in the sense of what is reality. We're hearing things like the simulation. And so interdimensional, I look at it to like what I talked about before about spirit science and that there's a spiritual or a quantum element. And then you have the physical.

So you have this, all these possibilities and then reality or this, the matter kind of coming to this place. So I think that interdimensional and that kind of sits either above it, within it, but it explains like remote viewing how that could work, right? Where its consciousness is non-local and we're actually tapping into a field or what we would term as the cloud. You know, some of these different terms that we use like Apple and with technology and the cloud, it's almost as if we're pulling from that. So another label would be, you know, spiritual and whether what, however that works.

But I just remember, like, in the book of Genesis in the beginning, and they had taken out, like, the book of Enoch and things like this, but talked about it. And he created the worlds, plural. And I always thought of that as planets, worlds. But when you look at it with dimensions, that makes a lot of sense. A lot of experiencers that have been in communication with what they term as aliens like Nordics

or whatnot, they're communicating that what we do, like with the Atomic Age, when we started blowing stuff up, hey, what you do in your world affects our world. And so that layered idea, almost like a fabric, where if you light a match to one thread, the whole thing's going up. So there seems to be this layered reality that we have access to once you kind of go through the different frequencies, you know, and whether that be light or sound, there's, you know, We're limited to what we can see,

but our senses can pick up on other things and that gut reaction. So that just tells me there's, I want to put a flashlight and what's going on behind the scenes. Like even dark matter and all this stuff, dark energy, like 5% of our universe is this and we don't know where all this other stuff is coming from. So we still don't know, I think, a lot. I think we're going back where we're rewining to some of what the ancients had thought in the 1800s and before that,

that there is a spiritual physical connection. You can't separate the two because they coexist together. Yeah, yeah. It's like you're, when you're doing something like blowing up these bombs and whatnot, you are disrupting that harmony that seems to be working. And I guess my question to kind of play off of that, Ronnie, like, yeah, that, you know,

while they're existing over here, we're existing over here. And maybe we're supposed to mingle, maybe we're not. Do you think when we see these things, the Bigfoots or the ghosts or the UFOs, like, do you personally think they're just as surprised to come into contact with us as we are of them? I always go back to like, is the ghost just as scared to see us when they see us in their home? Yeah. You know, what do you think of that?

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That's Patreon. dot com slash somewhere skies or hit that subscribe button right at the top of your apple podcast feed. Thank you so much for listening, for supporting and as always keep looking up. And I think of two different things. One, I talk about in the book, different witnesses that I've met that, you know, I haven't told anybody in the story. I'm going to share this with you, but there was a moment where Kentucky Sherry, who I talk about, has a sighting as they come around the corner with her husband driving. And he didn't see it. He was just driving on the road. But she looked off and she made eye contact with this big foot. And she just said, she goes, it looked as surprised

as I was to see me as I was to see it. Yeah. And so that's one piece. And then I even think it's a TV show, but just on an episode of Ghost Hunters back in the day, there was a an instance where they were in this old colonial home and they were asking questions. And I don't think they were getting it, but through the EVPs, the response was from back another time saying, I can hear you, but I can't see you. And at that moment, I'm realizing, wow, they're talking to somebody from the past at that time. So imagine hearing these distant voices asking for you and you're kind of like, where's this coming from?

That's coming from the future. Right? In their world. So now you have time not having any, you know, there's no, it's again, almost like non-local that we can traverse all these different things. So that just kind of makes my head spin when you start to look at those examples that, yeah, you know, maybe they're showing up in the, and they seem to show up in these same areas over and over again like Monsterland, like Skinwalker Ranch, the Bridgewater Triangle. And what I found to doing, all these different talks in different libraries and small communities is that they're having them too and they're only talking to each other. Like, you know, they have a neighborhood that's,

they're all seeing the same stuff, but they're not telling a soul except the ones that I've seen the same thing. So I think there's a lot more that's starting to get revealed as we go further down this road. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. And, you know, when this UFO stuff first started with the government. It was simple military-grade UFO videos. You know, very like, again, people can understand that, comprehend that. Yeah, they captured an unknown object on this gun camera. Cool.

Okay. And it's considered a UFO. All right. But then when you slowly start bringing in these other things, interdimensional, the Ezekiel's wheel, this is when people start kind of being like, like I'm not ready to go there. Fear starts to come up, right? Because it starts to conflict with your religious beliefs.

So like I was brought up Catholic. and I talk about this in the book. Then Pentecostal, I now consider myself a Buddhist, Christian, you know, like a quasi of those things. But there was always a fear that if it's not good, it has to be demon or it has to be something that, you know. So that's that blocking point, that journey, think that each person has to...

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Terms apply. To go down and realize some things are inherently evil, whatnot, but not everything is instantly this negative thing. And a lot of these abduction experiences, you know, talk about, wow, this was like a, you know, I think the group three, Ray Hernandez, where they looked at 80% of these cases that they analyzed were healing events or something positive, where initially it was feeding. but then there was a positive piece behind that. And so that, again, borders the line of angels

and like Betty Andreasen who was from Lemonster. She equated her experiences as being angelic in encountering all these different Nordic beings than grays and all this different stuff since she was seven years old. So there's something to that. And I think if we look at these different experiences and we start looking at it from a wider length,

they all are going through almost like the hero's journey, Joseph Campbell kind of, you know, example. And we all have to kind of get to that point. Now everyone's going to go on the trail for the adventure. Some people are going to be refrained because of the fear that they've been taught or programmed. And I think that's the piece now that people are starting to get out of that systematic programming of what is real and what's not. Right.

Threat, threat, threat. That's the word that the government keeps. Yes. I get that, man. Okay. So I do want to touch on the spiritual thing because what you said really resonated with me. I grew up Roman Catholic. I still practice Catholicism in some ways, maybe not as much as I did when I was a kid.

But, you know, I now do a ghost hunting TV show in Canada. And, you know, this will be my fifth season, I think, working with the show. show. And when I first went in, I was viewing all of the paranormal supernatural stuff from a spiritual and religious standpoint lens, I guess would be a better word. And you know what, man? Like for me personally, I wasn't having anything happen. I wasn't having these experiences that the other members of my team seem to be having. And I kind of sat down after, the second season and said, okay, what can I try to do differently? So I kind of, I took the spiritual thing away in a sense.

And that's when things started happening. I started opening myself up to the phenomena rather than looking at it through this is someone in the afterlife. This is someone in heaven. This is a loved one who has passed or someone who died. in the house and I actually had more things happen um I didn't like just get rid of the spiritualism what I now do is I go into a investigation not from a spiritual lens not from a scientific lens I just let things I believe in nothing I go in believing in nothing very zen

very zan approach yeah exactly um and then what I do to protect myself is I use my spiritualism after an investigation so that I don't get a hitchhiker like you have for many of them. So I found a way to integrate my spiritualism into it, but it's more of like, it's

almost like a shower I take after an investigation rather than using it as my tool during an investigation. Now, do you feel like that is now like do you view it as spiritual in nature? Because

you're seeing it a little bit different now? Like when it comes to the paranormal and the ghost hunting, do you feel like there's that more spiritual element now? I believe it is there. I do. For me personally, I kind of just try to go in from that Zen blank space. But I wanted to ask you the same question.

Do you think that your beliefs before do hinder or limit your experiences with all of this interdimensional stuff? Or does it help it? Or is it both? You know, that's a great question. When I was writing the book, I also had recalled a couple of experiences I had growing up in the church. So when I went from being Catholic and Pentecost and it wasn't really my decision was like, we're going to church here now. You know, you got, okay.

But I had two experiences when I was young growing up within the church, which is known as being slain in the spirit. Where an evangelical churches and Pentecostal churches, and they're all different variations, right? But the idea was that I would see people getting prayed on, and there might be an evangelist from another town that came in and had what would be known as the anointing. And I see him praying over people, and there'd be some deacons around. and suddenly that person would pass out, and they would grab them and lay them down, and after a few minutes, they would come back in. And I was watching this, like, nice parlor trick.

You know, like, I'm going to check this out. So I decided to go down and get in line. And I just remember, I'm like, my mind's strong. I'm going to handle this. So he starts praying over me, and then kind of like shifting my head a little bit. And I was like, oh, nice theatrics. And then suddenly it was like, I was trying to fight something.

And it was almost as if your water was trying to fill up in the tank and you couldn't. And then boom, I was out. I remember now laying down on the ground and just inky blackness. I couldn't see anything, hear anything. And then suddenly it was like somebody had turned on the volume and sound started coming in first. And then like an aperture on a camera, suddenly the black started turning into my vision. I kind of came back into this place, right? But I had now no fear.

I had a recharge battery of sorts. And suddenly I just had this peace and felt connected to some higher power, God, whatever you might want to interpret it as. And I had two of these different experiences. And that for me was like, again, having a personal experience, going through it like what was that where what did I tap into and I I clearly felt like you know I was unconscious and came back in but it was as if I went somewhere and it came back you know and we're hearing now with dreams that they're they're studying this idea that we're we can be linked up in

dreams and communicate and send messages and wake up and go yeah you told me this you know and I talk about that in my in the second book where two of my daughters had very similar dreams within the same night and they saw each other from different perspectives within this world the dream world you know and so the shamans would talk even with saskatch they would visit them in the dream world in these dreams so it's like what is that state is that the true state you know where everything is possible in all these different dimensions or worlds and then we come into this so it's just been a fascinating and I you know I don't claim to know everything and I'm not saying that this is the right theory, but it seems to make sense from all these different perspectives.

And if we un-silo these different, you know, like philosophy and science, and we start looking at them, and collectively, you start to notice there is a pattern. There is something that affects all of that. Absolutely. Well, in terms of, I guess, that pattern, you would mention this at least twice now, I think. The word, architect. Now, you know, there's God, there's simulation theory. There's literally, like, this all is just random chaos that happened to exist. So what do you think about that, Rodney? I'm asking you a big question of what is this architect of reality? Do you have your own personal thoughts or opinions on that? Or should we read the book?

Well, what's interesting, and again, we believe in, I think both of us believe in a higher power, whether you call it God or whatnot. And what keeps on pop in my mind right now is even like the Mason symbol, right, where it's like this architectural kind of thing. And what's interesting is how the book starts. It ends in a weird full circle. And not to give too much away, but. My wife had found this box at her work that they were throwing away,

and it had all these very old letters. And she was like, had a feeling it was important. She didn't really go through the contents, but she was like, oh, I'm going to grab this. There could be something cool in here. She likes to go thrifting, and so she kind of was, you know. And it was a year and a half. It's been sitting in our garage.

And I'm working on the last page of the book thinking I have the ending to the book. and she was right around Christmas time she was looking for tissue paper and she was like there's a box of tissue paper and it's either here at work and she was obsessed with it for like two days I'm like we'll get more tissue paper you know and she comes in the garage

just like how it starts with us in the garage and the Thunderbird story and she kicks over this box and all these letters come out and she starts looking at the stuff and realize oh this is from like the 1800s in the early 1900s, and it was from this psychologist

that was studying abnormal psychology and realized that she's looking through this book, it was like an autograph book. It was like autographs from all these different scientists and philosophers, and all of them, there is about 12 different ones. They're all talking about what I'm writing about in the book.

That nature is intelligent, that, and this was like, you know, spirit science in the 1800s. It was very accepted, but it was like, holy crap. And she goes, you know what's weird? She goes, the leg that I was tapped on three times in the garage and the first time was the same leg that kicked the box over. And so the ending is talking about all these different people. And it was just a confirmation for me

and almost a conversation from the universe that they were, listening or whatever's listening. And so it's a wild ride how that closed out. And I realized, oh, no, this is the ending. And my whole time I was trying to write this, I felt like I was getting a cosmic pushback where I was like, I'm going to write today. But then I was like, I wouldn't say it was writer's block, but I felt like I was being kind of repelled back. And my wife kept saying, maybe it's something needs to happen. There's something that's timing with everything. just let it, you know, don't try to grasp it. Hold on so tight. Let it go. Let it do its thing. And so I listened to that and I realized, whoa, if I had rushed to get this out, you know, that box would have come after.

But it seemed to be that all those things had to come in the timing. The fact I was working on the last page of the book, literally trying to finish in and messing up. And then she comes in that right time. And when she brought that box in, I said, I just looked at it. there's something UFO or alien related in this, this, I don't know why. And when we started going through that, it was the belief, a lot of these different people that I list in the book and go into their different studies, and they're talking about this non-human intelligence. And it just summarized everything I was talking about in the book,

and they were all coming from different perspectives, but they're all focusing on the same thing. And it still gives me chills. it blew my mind. I was like, okay, whoever the architect is, just delivered this right now. Yeah. Wow, man. That is incredible.

It's insane. I'm like, right now, I'm like eight months late on one of my next book being due. So I think for now on, I'm just going to be like, sorry guys, the architect said it's not ready yet. You know, it's a weird thing,

the timing of stuff too. And I felt a real push. you have to get this done, you have to get this thing out. And I just had my 52nd birthday on January 3rd. And so it was kind of like, all right, you finished, this is like a birthday present to yourself to get this done. We've been putting this, it's in my mind for a couple of years. And now, like, the last six months have been a real push.

But then, as you know, in the UFO, UAP world, on a daily basis, things were starting to pop. And you're like, whoa, I have to add this now. And even like what James Fox is doing and to see all, on the DC on the 20th with a lot of different Brazilian experiences and the neurosurgeon and how there was telepathic communication. And that message was that our humans are so messed up, we're so separate from our spirit, our spiritual selves. And I was like, this is extraterrestrial or whatever, communicating this via telepathy that we're out of whack with our spiritual selves

is the message that we've been hearing for hundreds of years, maybe longer, you know. Yeah, absolutely. I think, again, like, these things bring us back to a place that I feel that we have forgotten. I think you're right. And they do. They make us feel more human. They make us feel more whole. Whatever that might mean, whether spiritually or physically, mentally, that invisible thing we call,

you know, love or the soul. Like these things, these phenomena somehow interlinked, like you said, when you zoom out far enough, they make us feel more I think what we are supposed to be, what we are destined to be even.

Yeah. Like, you know, Chris Bloodsoe and what he's doing and what he's sharing and communicating. And people like Jake Barber, too, when, you know, these crash retrieval programs, helicopter pilot, And as soon as, you know, he attached to this egg-shaped craft, he feels this overwhelming sense of love and starts to cry, almost like he's in a church-like setting, like this existential experience that kind of takes you out of your body, but then you're now connected to this entire thing.

And that just, again, repeats and repeats. And each person is just echoing the same type of story that we got to reconnect with nature. we're going to reconnect with spirit because that's what's missing. And I do feel we're heading into this new age of, like you said, remembering coming back to this full circle idea that not everything is separate. Everything is connected. I love that. I love that, man.

Well, to kind of wrap things up, Ronnie, what do you hope people will take away from interdimensional? There is that, you know, getting back to maybe what we once had. But is there anything else you want people to really focus on with these theories you're bringing forward? And yeah, what advice would you give them as they go on their own journey with these crazy experiences? I think the big thing is to try to mitigate your fear of because you don't learn unless you get out of your comfort zone. Yeah. And so if you start to do that and you start like what you're doing with your show

and going into the Zen mindset and clearing the slate and approaching it with intention, you know, with hopes of having experience and with a good heart, if you have all those things, the universe seems to work magnetically in the sense that what you put out there, you get back, you know, and that's, you hear it time and time again where people are negative and they keep on having these negative experiences and you have someone else that's tapping into, like I always use the quote from Einstein,

imagination is more important than knowledge because you're limited with your knowledge that you know, but the imagination is infinite. And it represents that field in which the architect is maybe creating these things. And so you can tap into things where time doesn't matter. You can have a sense of gratitude

where you're feeling like this has already happened. And I think if you're on, we're all here for a reason. We all have a path, a purpose, and I think we find that when we discover our passions, then we start walking down that path. And then slowly things start to reveal themselves on their time, not necessarily ours, where we have to wait. You know, like, I want it now, but nope, this has to come into play.

And it always seems to be orchestrated. It seems to not be random or coincidental. It seems to be organized. a way where they seem whatever this architect is, it seems to be aware of, you know, with the cat point with the fighter jets where the UFO went to their cat point before, and it's encrypted. It knew where they were heading before they even got there. It tells me it's tapped into some bigger piece that we're still trying to understand.

Yeah, absolutely. I love that, man. Well, hey, I am going on an expedition to find this architect, and it really does. It starts with this book, Interdimensional. So I highly suggest people check it out. So, of course, obvious last question. Where can people find the book? So you can get personalized signed copies from me directly from my website,

Ronnie, R-O-N-N-Y-Loblank.com. It's available on Amazon, print, Kindle. Barnes & Noble, and then I'm working on the Audible version of it as well. Sweet. Awesome. We'll have links in the show notes below, guys, for you guys to check that out. We only scratch the surface. So, guys, check the book out.

Please, please, please. And I would love to have you back on. I would love to talk more Bigfoot specific. Definitely. Because that stuff fascinates me. We've had some good conversations about the connections between UFOs and Bigfoot. But for now, we'll leave it there. Ronnie, I'll say this, man. I've known you for a while now. And you have been by far one of my favorite

people to talk to in these communities. And you are a dreamer. You truly are. And I think we need more dreamers in the world right now. So I thank you. I thank you for writing this book, for your friendship. And I thank you for coming on someone in the skies. Sam. Thank you so much. You've always been supportive. I know we kind of came out at the same time. and we've always been supporting each other. And you're doing great work. So keep it up, and I really appreciate you having me on. That's what it's all about.

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