Somewhere in the Skies - Interstellar Object DISCOVERED, Mosul Orb Video REVEALED, AARO and ENIGMA in Cahoots, AARO Investigated Majestic 12

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

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I see a bunch of new people. Wow. This is pretty cool. Welcome. Welcome to all our new viewers tonight. This is a live stream we try to do every Sunday here on the Ryan Sprague slash somewhere. I just gave my name away. That lasted long.

Ryan Sprague slash somewhere in this guy's YouTube channel, where we break down all the latest UFO news, space-related news, everything going on in the world of UAP and beyond. And I can tell in the chat, you guys already getting heated about that UAP Disclosure Act petition. I see some are for it, some are against it. Hey, that's what it's all about, baby, controversy, debate. If you are feel compelled or interested in learning more about the UAPDA petition, you can go to the link that are wonderful moderator, Suzanne, put up on the screen for you guys, or it is in the show notes below right now. You can go ahead and sign that,

or don't. That is the beauty of free will right there. We have so much to talk about. It's amazing what can happen in the span of a week, isn't it? I mean, we thought we didn't have anything to talk about last week and it turned into a two-hour-long show. Have a feeling we're going to be inching towards that two-hour mark tonight because, yeah, a lot is going on.

A lot is going on. And a lot of it centers around the latest revelations about the United States Air Force and their faking of UFO programs, videos, photographs even. This two-part bombshell series that came out in the Wall Street Journal now followed up with a reaction opinion piece over at the New York Times, which we're going to talk about tonight as well. It seems that one of the authors over at the New York Times doesn't necessarily agree with his mutual colleagues competition over at the Wall Street Journal.

So yeah, we'll talk about some of that later in the show. I came out with a brand new article this morning, and this covers the 2006 Chicago O'Hare Airport. UFO incident. If you don't know about this case, you will after you read this article. It's one of the most unsung UFO cases out there with audio data and a lot of testimony from airport crew members, staff members, everything in between. There is a link for you in the chat right now to go read my brand new article. It's blow it up over on Reddit. I posted it on a couple of Reddit threads. And,

whoa, thank you to all the Redditors over there for sharing it and getting some eyes on it and your awesome comments over there as well. Yeah, link is in the show notes too if you want to read that. But I cover the case in depth. I've covered it in the past on the podcast as well, but this is the most in-depth I've gone on the case.

And in the article, I also include some very rare audio tapes from the FAA that they released. between the grounds crew and staff members at the airport while this thing was happening. The transmissions, radio transmissions to the towers and whatnot were recorded, and they were released through an FOIA request. So I've included those audio tapes in the article. I've also included a very rare interview with the first reporter sort of on site and ready to investigate this case. He wrote for the Chicago Tribune, and there is an exclusive interview in the article as well for that.

So, yeah, head on over to my medium, and you can go ahead and give it some claps, give it a share. I hope you enjoy that article as well. Love the show. Love Anamacomicon. Thank you so much, Neil. I truly do appreciate that, my friend. Thank you so much for the super chat. So we're going to start tonight, not with a news story per se, but a really, really cool photo that an actually.

Astronaut posted on her social media this past week. Let me go full screen if I can for you guys here. Can you still hear me when this is full screen? Pretty sure you can. Yeah. Okay, I got the thumbs up. This photo is of what is known as a sprite. And they are some of the most gorgeous, cosmically beautiful photos out there.

And a lot of the times astronauts can see these from space. So this astronaut who currently works on the ISS, the International Space Station, her name is Nicole, quote, vapor airs. I love that. She's got like a call sign. I believe she's former U.S. Air Force or maybe even current U.S. Air Force. But she's in space right now. And she took this photo from the International Space Station.

And here's her tweet, just while. As we went over Mexico in the U.S. this morning, I caught this sprite. Sprites are TLEs or transient luminous events that happen above the clouds and are triggered by intense electrical activity in the thunderstorms below. We have a great view above the clouds so scientists can use these types of pictures to better understand the formation, characteristics, and relationship of TLEs to thunderstorms. Man. It looks like something I don't know. like a comic book movie or something. Just gorgeous.

I love how you can kind of see the horizon there. And this thing, it's just so beautiful. I wish I could zoom in on it for you guys. But you might be able to do that on your screen. I can't do it on the share screen here, unfortunately. But I thought it would be a fun, cool way to start the show with this beautiful image taken by Nicole Ayers from the International Space Station. But let's stick with space. for a moment because I do have a very exciting story about that to share with you guys as well.

Remember a few years ago when Omuamua was all anyone could ever talk about? We had Avi Loeb on the show. I think we were actually literally one of the first people to interview Avi Loeb after the Oumuamua story broke and his new book was coming. out on umuamua um i was very surprised that he agreed or somewhere in the skies to be like one of the first shows he went on and it was just an incredible conversation you can listen to it back in the archives as well don't be talking about my muamua mha i'm sorry buddy no your um muamua is so no i'm just kidding i'm just kidding um but guess what

We have a third interstellar object that has made its way into our solar system. Yes, third. I was not aware of the second, but we will learn about that in just a few seconds here. But an interstellar object is hurtling through our solar system. I'm going to read a little bit here for you guys. An interstellar object has been spotted zipping through our solar system, and amateur and professional astronomers around the world are now racing to train their telescopes in its direction, allowing them to refine models of its trajectory and

officially confirm that it is a visitor from interstellar space. The object originally called A11PL3Z is only the third interstellar object we have ever seen. The asteroid Omuamua was spotted in October 2017 three days after it made its closest approached Earth. And it was controversial because its unusual acceleration led to suggestions from some quarters

that it could be an alien spaceship and artificially made. A second object, it was a comet called Borosov, was seen in 2019, and because it was spotted earlier in its

journey through the solar system, we were able to observe it in more detail. So what I'm going to do now, guys, is play an exciting clip from our good buddy and colleague over at NBC, Gotti Schwartz, who interviewed Dr. Peter Varis, who is a Harvard astronomer, and who also helped track this new object's trajectory. So you're going to hear a little bit more about all three of the interstellar objects, and more specifically, this brand new one, A11, PL,

3Z, what it might be all about, where it's heading, what it's doing, and all that good stuff. So let's go ahead and watch this clip. We'll talk a little bit more about it on the other side. From the Manor Planet Center. So indeed, we are very lucky that we discover this object because it is such a rare event, only third ever in our history to be detected. And we are also lucky because the object was detected pretty far from Earth, and we will have almost one year to observe this object.

It is also quite massive and pretty bright, so right now even amateur astronomers can observe it and actually submit data to us to the Maya Planet Center. It seems extremely bright. Are these super rare, or are we just getting better at seeing them out there in the dark? I would say they regularly go through the solar system, but until now we didn't have the detection capabilities to see them. So thanks to the program like NASA's planetary defense and the activities funded by NASA, they are searching for near-air, asteroids, these objects are being finally found. And when it comes to planetary defendants, when it comes to just calculating the trajectories here, like I have science fiction in my head.

So I just think of a big, like, control room. And it's like, oh, look, sir, we have something inbound. But I understand that a lot of this is, you know, a collaboration between NASA, amateur astronomers, what you guys do at Harvard. How does it actually work? How are the trajectories, calculate? and what makes us so sure it's interstellar? So basically you need a lot of observations.

At the moment, this object was foreseen. It wasn't really clear. This is an interstellar object. It was, again, one of the typical candidates for a nearer object. But thanks to the fact that people thought this is a potential nearer object, it was posted to our object website, nearer object confirmation page. And we quickly got a follow up from people around the world, from amateur astronomers, for professionals, also people looking through archives.

and it was pretty clear within the day, this object is not bound to the sun. And we got a really strong hyperbolic orbit. So it was clear and evident within one day, this object is not bound to the sun and it's flying to the solar system at this point. You can never have enough people looking up, I guess. Any idea on where it's coming from? And how does it compare in size and speed to Amuamua or Borisov? It's coming from the upper direction of the constellation of Sagittarius.

and it will be flying away toward the constellation of Gemini. And it's apparently much larger than Oumuamua or Boriso. Of course, at this moment, we don't know its exact size because it was only discovered two days ago. So large telescopes are pointing toward this object as we are speaking right now. But the estimated diameter could be somewhere between 10 to 20 kilometers, or even smaller if the object is active and it's likely to be active. So it's much larger.

Oh, Muamua was only about like 50 to. 100 meters across and flat, very odd-shaped. And Borisso was a comet that has probably half a kilometer across. But this object is much larger and much brighter, and we have a lot of time to observe it. And I got to ask this, but as one of the first humans to start running the numbers on this thing, do you get nervous when you're calculating the trajectory and how close it could pass to Earth? Of course, certainly. Even in this case, it was very surprising to see such an orbit that we had in our

computers. So at the beginning, I couldn't believe this interstellar. So I was even thinking maybe some observations are wrong. I was even contacting observers. Can you please confirm your observations are correct? And they responded, yes, they are. So even for us, it was really exciting this gallery. I bet it was. I bet it was. That is so, so cool. So our third one, guys, someone said in the chat, that is getting, that's flying freaking close to Mars. Yeah, it's going to get pretty damn close, you know, astronomically at least. So that's interesting. Will it hit Mars?

Will it destroy our poor perseverance? I hope not. I hope not. We'll have a line of sight to it if it's that close to Mars, Gareth says. Yeah. Here's the thing. Like a lot of people are like, well, why can't we like, why can't we send something out to try to like, like, hit your ride on this, learn more about it, what the object is.

And the problem with that in, you know, excuse me, what was his name? Dr. Peter Varis even says, like, they discovered it two days ago. Like, that's too late to do true scientific work and analysis on something like this. Now it's kind of just playing catch up with the interstellar object. You know, it's moving so fast and it'll be. and out of here before we know it. And it wouldn't be enough time to get something out there in time to, like, do something like that. So it's kind of a lot like UFOs.

You know, everyone's always like, why can't we get more scientific data or track these UFOs? And that's because by the time we get an instrument on it of any kind, a sensor system, radar, any sort of tracking, it's like almost too late. These UFOs blink in and out of existence, it seems. and we're always just playing, you know, retrospect with these things. So it's unfortunate that we won't be able to, like, get too close to this thing, but hey, hey, it's still really exciting. The fact that, like, we've had three interstellar objects in the past few years

when we haven't had that many ever in the past is interesting. It means something. So, yeah, yeah. It's fascinating. nonetheless. Michael Huntington said, timing for efficiency and gravitational slinging is required. Yeah.

Yeah. But exciting nonetheless. Less paragraph here for you guys on this. Many want scientists to intercept the object, like I said, to learn more. However, astronomers explain that the chances are beyond our current technology. It'll be gone by the time they launched

anything. However, this is cool. This is promising. the European Space Agency is planning to send its comet interceptor mission into space in 2029, where it will wait to pounce on newly discovered comets or even interstellar objects. For now, astronomers will have to rely on existing telescopes to examine this new object from afar. But now they're ready. They're going to have something up there that will be ready, you know, for one of these things. It's like casting your net out and just waiting for that moment for all those fish to come in with the tide, baby.

So, so yeah, yeah, that's exciting. That's exciting that we are now working proactively instead of retroactively when it comes to studying and trying to understand these interstellar objects. But this is exciting nonetheless. Let's move to our first UFO story of the night, guys. The spheres are back, baby. No, that is not the boogosphere, boogisphere, boogah, boogist fear, this is a Edinburgh sphere, baby. Edinburgh, Scotland. My current place of residence, we had our first sphere sighting.

Woo! Cheers. Cheers, everybody. I saw Gareth ask, are you drinking that cheap little wine yet? No, I'm drinking a fine Italian white wine tonight in a mug because I'm that classy. I am not classy. No, not booby sphere, Daniel. Bugosphere.

I'm on wine now, guys. As many of you know, I'm a beer guy, beer snob. I usually have a nice cold one with me for these live streams. I know you guys partake as well. But your boy is trying to become a smaller boy right now. And he's laying off the carbs, laying off the beer. And he's drinking some wine tonight. And the only reason I have wine is.

because we had to use it to cook. So it's not the best, but it's not the worst. It ain't Little Wine, Gareth. It ain't Little Wine. For those who don't know, Little LIDL is a grocery store here in the UK. And it's not the best in quality, I would say. But it's respectable. I'm more of a Sainsbury guy for any of my UK people out there.

Shout out the Sainsbury. Dude, Little Wine is the best from the guest wine. Oh, they probably do have a good sort of international guest wine section, Gareth says. I'll have to check it out. But back to Scotland. Back to Scotland in our, what are we going to call it? The Edosphere. Let's call it the Edithphere.

I'm going with that. Edinburgh resident demands a UFO disclosure hearing after witnessing mysterious silver sphere. So in Edinburgh resident reported. the UFO setting, which occurred on June 15th, and it prompted the witness to provide photographic evidence to members of the Scottish Parliament. Can you imagine just rolling up the Scottish Parliament? I live, like, I don't know, two miles from Scottish Parliament near the Holy Root Palace here in Scotland. I just docks the hell out of myself. Don't come stalking me, y'all. Don't come stalking me. But yeah, yes, Suzanne's like, I'm going, you've already been.

You and Bill got to get back here. You guys got to get back here. But yes, yes. This dude rolled up to Scottish Parliament with his photo of a UFO and was like, yo, we need some, we need you guys to look into this stuff, which I love. I love the, just the gall, the tenacity to do something like that. According to the witness, Lewis Thornhill, the silent, reflective silver sphere

floated above the sky hill skyline. He would say, quote, it was perfectly spherical and remained absolutely still for a significant period. Then it transformed, turning into pure light before either becoming completely invisible or shooting off at speeds no known drone could achieve.

The photo speaks for itself This wasn't a drone, a plane, or a balloon, he says. Ryan is looking at his castle window. I love that, Michael. Yes, I'm looking below at all of my serfs and my knights protecting my kingdom. I see a few people in the chat saying it's a balloon. I can believe that, even though the witness doesn't believe it. But judging, by the way, he described it.

Like, I don't know. It could be a balloon, could. We just don't know. We don't know. Lewis, the witness, he said, The implications of unidentified flying objects in our airspace is profound. It raises serious questions about national security, air traffic safety, and what exactly is operating in our skies.

We need a public hearing where evidence can be presented. experts can provide testimony and the Scottish public can finally get answers. Lewis has formerly written to Scottish Parliament, urging them to initiate a parliamentary inquiry into UAPs. He hopes that sharing this evidence publicly will encourage other witnesses to come forward and put pressure on elected officials to act. He would end by saying, as the world demands answers, it's time for Scotland's voice to be heard. at the global table in the greatest disclosure of our time. I need to get that man some face paint,

and we need to reenact Braveheart. Because I am with him. I am on the front lines. I will be a parliamentary every day with him, demanding that hearing he wants here. Hey, we're getting a hearing, apparently, in Britain. That's the word on the street, that their first meeting with some, like,

House of Lords is happening right now as we speak. So who knows, maybe Scotland can get in on that little thing there. It'll be interesting. But cool photo. Metal spheres seem to be all the talk lately, whether it's the Bugasphere, the Edisphere now, or another sphere that we're going to be talking about in just a moment. You guys ready? Are you ready to revisit the Mosul Orb?

Because we have some new updates on the... that not only updates a video of the Masul orb. We once had a photo. We now have a moving image. The moving pictures, baby. It's happening. Ryan will have to wear a wig, a barrister wig or something, Michael. Can you imagine me in one of those?

Oh, man. Maybe I'll buy one and wear it one day. Surprise you guys. This wine is not that bad for a cooking. one. I'm not going to lie. Okay. So to our witness in Scotland, I am with you, my friend. I have tried to reach out to the witness and meet up with him and talk more about the sighting. Apparently, he has video as well, which would be super helpful to see that. It could either debunk it or it could give us some more detail about what we're dealing with. But for now, we have this pretty clear photo. I'm not going to lie, compared to most UFO photos, it's pretty clear. It's pretty clear. But let's move to the Mosul orb. Because like I said, we have an update on that.

Video of the Mosul Orb has been released via a lawsuit. I saw Suzanne's ears perk. Whenever she hears a lawsuit, she's like, I'm on it. I'm on it. So Dustin Slaughter, awesome name. I heard our buddy Andrew McGillan over at that EFO podcast talking about Dustin's name. It is totally a wrestling name. Like, they need to trademark that in the WWE yesterday.

Dustin Slaughter's coming to the ring, number 30, in the Royal Rumble. Dustin Slaughter, owner of the UAP Register News site, has obtained new video from the U.S. Air Force of the Maasul Orb. The video was released as part of a lawsuit filed by the publication against the United States Air Force in March of 2024. Sorry, guys. The litigation remains ongoing and the UAP register continues to push for additional video releases. The lawsuit follows a Freedom of Information Act request filed in 2023 for records on the UAP. unidentified object that was reported to the USAF's National Air and Space Intelligence Center, NASIC.

NACC, coincidentally, is located at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. Ding, ding! You guys know Wright Patterson, our good, secretive friend of Roswell. A still image of the Mosul Orb, dubbed the Mosul Orb, was derived from the video, and was first published by investigative reporter George Knapp and documentary filmmaker Jeremy Four Names Corbell in 2023 on their weaponized podcast. The unidentified object was recorded over Masul, Iraq, in April 2016, by an MC12 twin-engine reconnaissance aircraft, according to Knapp and Four Names Corbell. Let's go ahead and watch the video. We do have the video.

It's pretty long. So bear with us, guys. You might want to grab a drink and get ready because, yeah, this is going to be a lengthy one. You ready? Let's watch the video. Wishing you could be there live for the big game, soaking up the atmosphere in the crowd. But too often, life gets busy. or the price hold you back.

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Actual prices may vary, limited time offer. That's it. I had to. I'm sorry. That's it, guys. That's the video. It is four seconds long. It's four seconds long. Let's watch it again.

I think we have time, right? There is no audio to it, but here we go. One more time, third time's a charm, right? Okay. So I joked about, you know, the length of the video. It's pretty short. But, I mean, guys, this helps tremendously in trying to understand what the Masa warp could or could not be.

And the reason for that is because one of the biggest explanations that was put out there was that this was nothing but a puddle and the reflection of the sun below on the ground. Like if I stop the video right there, that's what we basically had to work off of. And a lot of people believe this is just like, you know, a damaged part of a sidewalk near a quote unquote terrorist compound in Iraq. and that it was nothing but like a puddle. Now we know that is not the case. This was a moving object that just happened to be caught in this video. So again, you know, we can joke about, oh my God, it's four seconds long, but this took a lawsuit for Dustin Slaughter to get this.

And I'm sure a lot of legal hurdles had to be done. So bravo to him. Very, very good work on this video because now, we could try to understand what it could be with its trajectory and the speed of which it's going at. And all the things that people, skeptics or scientific analysts of videos, can now look at and try to possibly explain the Masu orb. So we have one of those individuals who has an explanation for it. It's an individual who is going to ruffle some of your bird feathers.

and some of you like him. And as usual, I'm the fence sitter. I'm somewhere in between. It's just say Mick West, Gareth says. We do. We have a video from Mick West explaining what he believes the Mosul Orb could be. He was recently on the vetted podcast, our good buddy over there. Patrick had him on to talk about the Mossul Orb after Dustin's Slaughter released this video.

So let's go ahead and watch this clip from Vetted. Shout out to Patrick over there. And let's hear McWest's explanation for the Mosul orb, shall we? What are your thoughts on this? I don't know how to pronounce it. Mosul orb. There's a Mosul. I'm not sure to pronounce it.

Mosul, okay. Yeah, it's a town in Iraq, just north of Baghdad. It looks like a balloon to me. It's moving like a balloon. like what I was able to do. We had the photo that came out earlier, and now we just got the video. The video has the on-screen data

is redacted. And the photo actually has the information on it. So it actually has the location on the photo in the bottom right corner. It's in military format, but you can convert it. You can actually just type that into Google Earth and it will take you to the location.

And we have other things in there. We have the distance to the target. which I think is at 26,000 feet or something like that. And we have the altitude of the plane itself. I can't remember what it was exactly. So I took these and I put them all into my software sit-wreck and put a plane moving along. And then I built a little 3D model of the houses and dropped that in as well. And we also have the date and the time in the top right corner, top left corner, put that in as well.

So we know exactly when it was, we know where it was, we know roughly where the plane taking it was, because we know the distance and the heading. We know kind of roughly how fast it's moving because we have the rotation and the buildings rotate very slightly. And I dropped all that in. The first thing you noticed is that if you drop a sphere in that location, the highlight on the sphere is exactly the same as the highlight on the sphere in the video, which means a couple of things. it means that it is actually a spear

and it is actually that time of day the time of day is correct and it means that I have the plane in the right location and then we see that the lines of sight is a very very narrow field of view it's like half a degree or something like that so they're actually like five miles away

from this house that they're videoing and the lines of sight kind of cross over so there's actually a point in the middle of the lines of sight which isn't moving so you can actually stick a balloon there and say if a balloon was just like, you know, standing here in space, the parallax motion of the craft would make it look like it whist through the frame. Oh, that's interesting.

So the balloon or the object could be just standing still. Yeah, essentially, like it wouldn't, you know, if it's at that exact point, it would actually stay in the same position, but actually no, it wouldn't. Oh, yeah. what seems to be the most likely explanation is that it's something drifting in the wind at about 10 miles per hour. So what I did are you get all these lines of sight from putting these numbers in. And I have some algorithms in sit-wreck that actually try to solve a possible traversal path across these lines of sight. So we know that it goes from this position on screen to this position.

What does that mean in three dimensions? and I found like a good solution moving about 10 miles per hour and it was moving towards the southeast and so I actually went to then after I found that I went and looked at what the wind was on that day and it turns out it was about 10 miles of hour towards the southeast so it matches exactly for the time of day the location the weather and being a balloon

just floating in the air just floating yeah just floating by nothing in it that's inconsistent with it being a balloon like what kind of balloon like just like a like a party balloon like a no it looks like fairly large balloon like four to six feet so some kind of weather balloon

or perhaps like a radar target or something like that so it's it seems like it's a fairly large balloon yeah from what we can tell that's interesting not It's not super large. Don't you think they would have other video that would have caught balloons too? And then the Air Force would know, oh, this is what it looks like.

Why can't they do what you just told me, like, all of that? They're doing it. I mean, that's what Arrow is doing. And they've already resolved scores and scores of cases to be balloons. So now they're kind of building a, I guess, a body of knowledge of what balloons look like from these cameras. Okay. What do you guys think? A lot of you vehemently disagree.

My brain wants to leave. Oh, cat. Ballines don't drift in a straight line. I don't know if I necessarily agree with that, Robert. Look, Mick is going to Mick. And a lot of what he said makes sense. You know, he figured out that the wind was going 10 miles per hour. he figured out this object, happened to be going 10 miles per hour, which would basically say that it had no true propulsion behind it.

It was literally being pushed by that 10 mile per hour wind, which could be a balloon. It could be a balloon, guys. I mean, we just, it could be. It could be. I don't know. It looks like a balloon to me. I'm just going to say it. I don't know if you guys are going to get mad of me for that, but like my gut feeling is,

that this was a balloon. But we don't have enough information. Michael Huntington said, where's the data? Where's like the U.S. Air Force investigation on this? Or quote unquote, you know, Arrow. I thought Arrow did an investigation on this. Or was that a different sphere? Like they literally had a slide for a sphere

in like a different location or something in their presentation, I believe, to NASA. Was that the Mossorp? or it must have been something else. Maybe I'm misremembering. Let me know in the chat, guys, if you remember that. I thought the arrow did look at this case. But yeah.

I don't know. I don't know. The most important thing about this is we know of the video. Elbate four seconds long. The problem with these limited videos, such as the TikTok, the gimbal, the or the phantom of the opera. What was it?

Oh, the Baghdad Phantom of the opera. They're always cut off before we can see like what happens next. And then that's where the stories come in of what happened next or what happened prior.

And that's a problem. We can, even Mick, has admitted, look, I can't make a 100% concrete conclusion on any UFO video without the full video, without the raw data. And when it comes to the Tick-Tac specifically, like he's been debating that video for years now with different types of people and analysts. And at the end of the day, they sort of all come to this agreement that, you know what? None of us can truly know because we don't have all the data.

we don't have the full video. So, I mean, not much we can do with four seconds, but it's enough to start theorizing. We can now definitively say it was not a puddle on the ground. That was a big theory. That's out the window now. So now, where do we go from here? I think it's good.

Look, this is, like, going to open Pandora's box. The fact that Dustin Slaughter was able to, through a lawsuit, get a video that nobody else could get their hands on, even George Knapp and Jeremy four names, then what else could he do? What else could the rest of us do if we all started filing lawsuits to get videos? Instead of just like an FOIA request, as it were, which can be very tricky. I've done it.

I've failed miserably many times. I succeeded heavily when it came to the Tehran UFO incident, and that's because I had the incredible. assistance of John Greenwald in getting what I got on that. But this is an example. You know, this Mosso Orp video in the work Dustin Slaughter

did is an example of what can be now. So let's do it, guys. If only we had a group of lawyers who worked in the UAP space, wishful thinking, I guess.

Hint, hint states, tuned for the latter half of this episode, guys. So there you go. There you go on the Mosul orb. Let me see what else I have here. I'll finish up with this. A spokesperson for Arrow was not immediately available to comment on this. The footage adds further mystery to the spherical objects,

which according to the Pentagon's UAP investigation office, Arrow, are the most prevalent types of UAP reported by service members. That's interesting. So is it a balloon if like this is the most prevalent thing that service members are seen in active war zones or in training areas? If any, anywhere, anywhere military pilots and or ships in the water are, these orps seem to be showing up. They can all be weather balloons. or spy balloons, can they?

Neil says that could easily be a balloon, but they do remind me of the silver orb zooming around in the Gulf Breeze UFO flap. Not sure if those were ever debunked. That's a good question, Neil. That's so funny. I just came out with a Patreon episode about the Gulf Breeze 6,

a very controversial time in UFO slash military history. It does tangentially connect to the Gulf Breeze UFO sighting flap. Um, very interesting story. I see Jeff Knox in the chat here. I know he has looked into the Gulf breeze sightings. Michael Huntington has looked into the Gulf breeze sightings as well. Um, so thanks for being here, guys. Truly appreciate it. Check out Jeff Knox's work and Michael Huntington's work, guys. They do endless, tireless research in the UFO field. Um, and I often go to a lot of what they do for inspiration for what I do here at somewhere in the sky. So yeah, be sure to check.

them out. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know about the Gulf Breece sightings. I know a lot of them have been debunked. I know a model was found in the home of what was his name? The main witness there of the Gulf Breece sightings. Ah, the name is escaping me. You guys will let me know in the chat in just a minute.

But yeah, yeah, they found like a model in his home, which is funny. That's the same thing that happened with Ed Walters. Thank you, Jeff. Appreciate that, my man. The story of Ed Walters is crazy. If our strange skies is still available on podcast outlets, guys, by Rob Christopherson, he did a whole series on Ed Walters and the Gulf Brief sightings. And the story of Ed Walters himself is insane.

It is bad shit crazy. And to make it even crazier, go to our Patreon right now and listen to my latest bonus episode. The Gulf Breeze 6. It just gets weirder and weirder. Thank you, Suzanne. Link is in the chat and in the show notes. Show noites. Shoy nuts.

There were hundreds of Gulf Breeze encounter claims besides Walters. It was a flap. There you go. So, yeah, it hasn't all been debunked. It has not all been debunked. Trudy, how is Rob Kay? I haven't gotten word. I know he's been watching a lot of my Instagram.

So he's around. If he happens to be watching this, Rob, we're sending you all our best buddy. Hope to get him back on the show somewhat soon as well. Always a wealth of information. Sorry, guys. I had to get a sip of my... A pinocritio.

Okay. That's enough of the Moso Orb. I don't think I have anything else here. Oh, yes, I do. The UAP Register, which is where Dustin Slaughter releases all of his information, guys. So be sure to check that out as well. UAP register.com, I believe. I did not get a link for that.

I apologize. The UAP register also has a pending FOIA lawsuit against the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. He is going after Noah. A boom. He's got the ball rolling, guys. Like he mentioned, he's still in the lawsuit with the Mosso Orb. Maybe it's for more footage.

I don't know. But he's going after Noah. Wow. Crazy, crazy stuff. Cool. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Let's see here. I think what do I got? Okay, a couple more stories before we're going to take a quick break here, guys, and come back with the latter half of the episode. Let's move to an interesting story about Enigma Labs and Arrow. So for those who don't know, Enigma Labs is a, a company slash an app where you can submit your UFO sighting, whether it's a detailed report, a photo, or a video. You could submit it to the app and using machine learning slash AI. It will put it into various categories, databases,

and either try to come up with like an explanation for what you may have seen, or it just adds into their data sets and they can, And then I don't know. I don't know what they do with it. And that's the problem. That's the problem. That's the problem. We're going to face in this story.

To be fully transparent, I had early communication with Enigma Labs when they first were around. I was living in New York City where they are based out of their headquarters. And I was supposed to have a meeting with Enigma Labs, whether it was to work with them or to I don't know, promote them. This was very early on and it sounded really cool, really exciting. And I was happy to like help. I thought it was a really cool idea.

But that did not work out. The meeting fell through and I never, I never followed up on it. And neither did they. That's just the way it goes. Like no hard feelings or anything. That's just how it went down. However, a colleague of mine, Alejandro Rojas, Haas did go on to work for Enigma Labs.

And there were other people who I know who went on to work for Enigma Labs as well. But I haven't really ever talked to them about what they do there because it's just never come up. I haven't inquired. They haven't offered information. And that's kind of where we left it. I don't talk to Alejandro that often. I did talk to him. And I got a quote for you guys about this story from Alejandro.

But yeah, yeah. So the big problem here is that a lot of people believed that Enigma Labs was sharing their information with the government. More specifically, the Department of Defense and Arrow. And a lot of people took issue with that because a lot of people do not agree with how Arrow is handling UAP investigation. And that's fair. That's completely fair. and they also didn't know where their data was going. When you input your data into this app,

that means they now have access to it and have full copyright of it, basically. And yeah, yeah, it's just, it's weird. It's weird. And the fact that they're kind of nobody really knows much about them, makes it even more enigmatic. So a lot of these rumors and theories started to go around that they were working with the government and they were kind of a front to get all this UAP data or to sell data even. So I don't know.

Again, I don't know. I have no like inside knowledge of any of that. But this story came out by John Greenwald over at the Black Vault who recently got some FOIA requests back. and this is what John over at the Black Vault had to say in a recent article. FOIA response reveals contact between Arrow and Enigma Labs. So I'm going to read right from the article here for you guys. In a new batch of documents obtained by the Black Vault, the Department of Defense has released direct communications between the Pentagon's

All Domain Anomily Resolution Office and Anigms. Labs, a private company working in the UAP research space. The release stems from an FOIA request filed by the Black Vault. The documents include 50 pages of emails and internal correspondence, many of which are redacted, shedding little light on early coordination between the government's UAP investigative office and outside technology partners. The FOIA request was submitted based on public claims suggesting a part of the partnership with Arrow and

UAP related efforts. To narrow the scope, Black Vault referenced such public claims, including those stating that Enigma Labs was collaborating with Arrow to support data collection and analytics. Let me go ahead and pull this up. This is

just an example, guys, of one of the emails. You'll see the two things I circled here. Two, the email was two, Sean Kirkpatrick and the topic was Enigma Discussion. Fragments from the documents indicate that multiple virtual and in-person meetings were held between

Enigma Labs' representatives and Arrow personnel, including then-director Sean Kirkpatrick. Topics discussed likely included Enigma Labs technical capabilities, data redaction pipelines, and demonstrations of their platform. However, due to the extensive redactions, few specifics about the content or outcomes of these meetings are known. In another message, Kirkpatrick, from Kirkpatrick, our reference was made to public-private partnerships and collaborative strategies to tackle the UAP issue, in which members of the Hill were apparently very receptive to the idea. Still, the nature and extent of any formal agreement, if any, between Enigma Labs and Arrow remains unknown within the release

material in this case. I'm just skipping ahead here a little bit, guys, because I have like the full article, and I'd rather you go read the article over at the Black Vault. But let me read this. Enigma Labs has been at the center of both interest and criticism within the UAP community. While the company parents presents itself as a scientific and technologically driven organizations seeking to bring rigor to UAP reporting and analysis, others have questioned its transparency and affiliations. Some critics argue that partnerships with the government entities raise concerns about data control and narrative shaping.

So, like I had mentioned, I did reach out to Alejandro Rojas about this story. And he gave me the following quote that I want to read to you guys about this story. He said, Enigma Labs has already shared info about being in contact with Arrow and NASA to offer their services. As of right now, Enigma Labs has not been hired by any governmental agency.

Enigma has addressed questions about this association many times. They have also posted info in their FAQ. So I went to the FAQ because I thought it was important that we read what they said here. Are you government-affiliated?

Enigma says it is a A startup and private independent company, we are not part of any country's government or military. We do not operate on behalf of anyone. Our team is made up of private citizens who previously worked at technology companies and startups. We speak with anyone who is aligned with us in genuinely and proactively trying to solve the UAP mystery. Funding. 100% of funding is from venture capital investors. We have not signed any government agreements or received government.

funding to date. We regularly explore science grants as well as SIBIR opportunities, small business innovation research, where it could align with our goals. And then lastly here, collaboration, we are committed to collaboration, which we believe is essential to solving the UAP challenge, documenting what's anomalous in the skies at all times across the whole globe, is a mammoth task for anyone, let alone a small startup. We believe all sorts of, sectors including scientists, military, government, NGOs, and private enterprise need to work together and bring their resources and data into the table to solve the mystery. So, yeah, I mean, that's pretty clear. They're basically saying they do not work for any government agency.

They were not hired, but they were open to providing their services to such things as Arab. So there you go, guys. I mean, O'A100 would go on to say this isn't really a story. Like nothing in the story is nothing they've never said before. But yeah, there's, there's, we now know that Enigma has been in communication with Arrow, Sean Kirkpatrick specifically. So take that whichever way you will. If you believe that Sean Kirkpatrick had good intentions in collaboration, with Enigma? Fine. If you don't, fine. Sean Kirkpatrick is gone.

Enigma says that they have not made any formal collaborations with Arrow. So yeah, I don't know. Is this a story? Is this a non-story? Did we just waste 10 minutes talking about it? What do you guys think? I don't know. But, you know, we have people to chat saying they're not transparent. Enigma, that is. yeah, I don't know. I mean, every now and again, they share some of their sightings and stuff, but like, where's their conclusions?

Where's this like, you know, where can we learn about the sightings that we submit to Enigma? Instead of just collecting them and compiling them, what is that machine learning doing? What conclusions has it come to? Um, is that something that the people submitting their sightings here will be privy to? I don't know. I will be honest.

I haven't looked into it. I have never submitted a UFO sighting to Enigma. Maybe I should and find out for myself. But yeah, that's it. That's it for that one, guys. Let's move on to another story about Arrow. This one is interesting. The headline here is, did Arrow find a manual on alien contact and UAP retrievals?

What is going on here? That is crazy talk. Let's talk about this on the other side. I'm going to take a quick commercial break, guys. And then we will come back with this story. And then after this story, we will be bringing in our wonderful moderator, Suzanne, to talk a little bit more about some. of our latter half stories.

But I'm going to take a break right here because I think that's a good cliffanger. Did Arrow find a manual on alien contact in UAP retrievals? Stick around. We will be right back with more somewhere in the live stream. Hey guys, Ryan Sprague here. And I want to tell you all about an exciting event that I'm going to be speaking at in Hexham, England, on August 9th. It's called Cosmic Frequencies. Cosmic Frequency is going to be an unforgettable evening of mind-expanding science,

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That is such a corny commercial. But you guys know me. You know me. Yeah, I hope you can join us, August 9th for Cosmic Frequencies in Hexham, England. It's going to be a blast. I cannot wait for this event. I was so honored to have been asked to speak amongst these very noted and notable speakers. You can learn more at cosmic frequencies.org. Wow, excuse me. I'm getting a little funky myself with wine. Speaking of which, I want to show you guys something

funky before we get back to our story. My wonderful friends for my haunted television show got me this in Nova Scotia. It's a UFO abducting a lobster. I just had to show. I was going to show this at the beginning and I completely

forgot, but how adorable is this? It's so, so cool. I got to put it in my window. But yeah, if you guys don't know, Nova Scotia is very well known for their lobster, it being a coastal place in the maritime. So I thought this was so cool that they found this and thought of me. So thank you, Amy.

Thank you, Kim. Thank you, Chelsea, for my wonderful, wonderful gift. I get to show it to all of my UFO peeps here. So, yeah, that was pretty cool. But, okay, let's get to this crazy story. And that is, once again, Arrow, possibly finding an manual, on extraterrestrial contact. This came in the form of deputy director Tim Phillips.

Now, he has been making the interview rounds recently. He's been all over the news. He was one of the people who were interviewed for the Wall Street Journal articles about these fake UFO programs, fake photos, disinformation campaign, hazing in the Air Force, all that stuff. But in, and this was an investigation, Arrow did, this other investigation had to do with this manual

that deputy director, former deputy director of Arrow, Tim Phillips says that they found during their investigation. And he was recently interviewed on the Event Horizon YouTube channel and he talked about this. So I'm going to go ahead and play this clip for you guys from that interview with the Event Horizon YouTube channel. And then we'll learn a little bit more about what this manual could have been on the other.

side. So let me go ahead and find this clip for you. Okay, here it is. Give this a watch. I did find a operations plan for contact with alien beings. When I became acting, I got cornered by a staff director and he wanted me to come back in brief DOD's plans for contract, contact with an alien being or alien material and said DOD, it's the one thing you do is plan, and I'm sure that you have some con ops or operational order somewhere, come back, and I want you to brief us on what the plan is. And it seemed very, very reasonable to me. As you know, I didn't come from the UAP world.

So I came back to the staff and informed them of the request, And they started looking with the cooperation and the joint staff trying to say, what do we have in a way of a contingency plan or an operation order on how to deal with that first contact with alien material or an alien being? We were astonished. We couldn't find a current plan. Now, we did find a very, very well-written, period, correct. as far as the style, the font, the paper, a plan going back to the 1940s that was designed for the Department of Defense to respond to a UFO incident. However, when we worked with the archivist, we were trying to determine, was this a real plan?

and we never could find proof it was. It was a bound book with a tan cover. It was classified and was controlled. In the security controls that were on the book, disclosure, who had access, they were all period correct. Those were the procedures used in place in the mid and late 40s. Wow.

Okay. There's so a lot to break down there. Special shout out to John Michael Goldier's Event Horizon YouTube channel for letting us play this clip from that interview. Okay, let me go back to our image here because I know a lot of you do recognize Psalm 101, the Majestic 12 group, special operations manual. So, many have deduced that this is most likely the manual that he was talking about. So what is it? What is the Psalm 101 manual? It's often referred to as Psalm 101, and it's the alleged classified manual, supposedly,

supposedly being the keyword, produced by the U.S. government or military back in the 1950s. The most well known of this is titled Majestic 12 Group Special Operations Manual, Extraterrestrial entities, and Technology, Recovery, and Disposal. And it's dated April of 1954. The document appeared to outline procedures for the recovery of UFOs and ET biological entities, including containment, decontamination, secrecy protocols, and the role of the top secret majestic 12 group, a supposed elite task force created by President Truman to manage E.T. Affairs.

The manual is styled to resemble Cold War era military documents, complete with formatting, terminology, and bureaucratic tone consistent with that time period. I mean, this sounds identical to what Tim Phillips is talking about. but is it real? Is it real? That is the big question. Many believe no. In fact, I would say 99.9% of UFO researchers themselves believe no.

But there are those who still believe. And was Tim Phillips one of them? It's interesting. So there's been some updates. on this story. And that came in the form of some tweets put out by D. Dean Johnson over on Twitter. So you guys should definitely, definitely follow D. Dean Johnson over there. He does some great work.

And I want to go ahead and read these tweets because it does clarify a lot, including responses from both Sean Kirkpatrick and Tim Phillips about this. So let's go ahead and read this here. Sean Kirkpatrick comments on the operation plan described by Tim Phillips. By email, I asked former Arrow director Sean Kirkpatrick to comment on the remarks of former Arrow deputy director Tim Phillips regarding a document of unclear origin that Phillips described as an operation plan for contact with alien beings in an interview with John Michael Goldier posted on YouTube on July 2, 2025. The document as described by Phillips was reminiscent of the Special Operations Manual. Psalm 101, one 101, excuse me, Psalm 101, a document attributed to Majestic 12 group that surfaced mysteriously back in 1994. It has been judged of forgery by several serious

euphological researchers, a view that I personally share. That's Dee Dean Johnson. However, Phillips's description offered from memory differed from the Psalm 101 in details. Some details. Contains drawings, but Phillips said the documents did not. And he dated the document that he remembered from the 40s, whereas Psalm 1,1 carries the date April in 1954. Phillips would tell Goldier, when we worked with the archivist, we were trying to determine, was this a real plan? And we could never find proof. I don't recall the name of the document. And then this is what Sean Kirkpatrick had to say to D.D. Johnson. He said, I am fairly confident that he is, recalling the MJ12 document and confusing it with something else.

That was all we found by the time I retired in December 2020. It was a bound form handheld like other military plans of the time. If there was anything new, then yes, it should, would be released just like all the new documents we posted on NARA's website. So then D.D. Johnson asks, at the time you examined the matter, what was your own assessment regarding the most likely origin of this bound volume and the motives or purpose of its creators. I'm not asking for an official arrow conclusion regarding the origins of the document, although I would hope that it would be addressed in the next historical report, if not sooner. Kirkpatrick responded, my assessment was that it, the book I examined, was the same as what had been

released on the internet and debunked some years prior. It was clear to me that the way it was written, its author was someone familiar with a style of military planning documents. The binding was not relevant as lots of people bind things to make them look nice or more authentic. And it's easy or cheap to do more so in the past than now. Since it was already out in the world and at the time I did not deem it new, I saw no reason to include it in the Volume 1 historical report.

As I said, if there was another newer version or knockoff discovered, I would expect them to release it in volume 2 of the Arrow Historical Report. Okay. So it is quite clear that this is most likely the thing that Tim Phillips was talking about. There is room, wiggle room for doubt, but it does sound pretty much like that's what it was. Tim Phillips would then respond to Deane Johnson's reporting on this and also Sean Kirkpatrick's comments. And he would actually say, quote, I completely agree with Sean's comments. comments on all of this. My focus as deputy was managing the office in supporting our staff, not investigating cases. So there you go. I don't know what else to say other than Tim Phillips has been saying a lot lately.

He has been saying a lot on a lot of different shows. And I don't know if the people formerly with Arrow that worked with him or currently with Arrow, if they're like, bro, what are you doing? Like, stop. Stop doing it. You're just causing us more headaches. Now we've got to talk to this D. Dean Johnson guy on Twitter. Like, what are you doing to us here, man? Cut us some slack.

Stop talking about alien contact manuals. Please. Please. But I don't know. I don't know. It's interesting. I don't know where I stand on the Majestic 12 story in general. I find some of it compelling.

But as for these documents, it has pretty much been proven that they were forged. I think even the FBI did an official investigation and marked them, quote, bogus. They literally wrote that on the front cover. If I'm wrong on that, I might be mistaking it for something else. Please correct me. But yeah, yeah, it's interesting. The fact that like the former deputy director of Arrow is out there talking about this stuff is just like, I don't know. It's crazy.

Crazy times at Richmond High. Jeff Knox. My issue with Phillips is how he is how imprecise he is with his language and talking about these cases. One example is this very event horizon, Horizon interview. He gets the details in Big Sur wrong. Yeah, it, like he. even stressed he was like the manager of the office he wasn't the one out investigating

it makes me think that his position uh was by no means you know low rung or anything but he was not the one going out in like looking at the stuff with a fine tooth comb um he was keeping the office going I don't know what that means was he refilling the staplers

taking out the trash or was he managing the case files. I don't know. I simply don't know. And that's no offense to him whatsoever. I just, I haven't looked that much into what his work was at Arrow. If he's even spoken about what a specific work was there. But it's clear by this that he made some mistakes in what he said in this interview. And Sean came along to slap him on the wrist and put it all right. Or put it all wrong. I don't know. I don't know. But interesting story, nonetheless. But that's going to do it for that story, guys.

Let's move to the New York Times and their response to the Wall Street Journal articles. I'm going to read from the article a little bit here. And after I do that, I will bring in Suzanne because I really want to hear her thoughts. We have not discussed the New York Times article. her and I yet privately. So we're going to do it publicly with you guys. I want to get her thoughts and your guys' thoughts on the New York Times response to the Wall Street Journal. It was interesting to say the least.

So this past week, I was just as surprised as you guys were. The New York Times came out with an opinion piece, I should stress, an opinion piece about this whole Wall Street Journal. two-part expose in what was brought forward in it. There might be some swearing, Suzanne says. Okay. In an opinion piece with the New York Times author Ross Dothat, or Dout hat, I'm not sure, Dutthot. Let's go with that.

Would write a well-balanced response about arrows, revelations, UFO disinformation, and the generalization of all of it. So I'm going to read from the article here, guys, because I think this is very well-worded in many respects. And I agree with some of these things that he's brought forward. So let me go ahead and pull this slide up for you here. And I'm going to go ahead and just read from the article. The Wall Street Journal reporters suggested that UFO belief could have been seated

in multiple different ways over many decades, creating not just a small group of obsessives circulating the same wild theories, but also a broader culture in which both deception and misapprehension are at work, the former feeding the latter and the latter encouraging the former, such that parts of the national security state are conditioned to use aliens as cover for their secret operations and other parts are conditioned to assume that there must be something real thing. Some of this are the quotes I have up here on the screen for you guys. This portrait of deep state deception and delusion hardly resolves the UFO question.

It doesn't explain the weird aerial encounters that help touch off the current age of interest, encounters which are, as far as I can tell, from public and private information, still taking quite seriously as an unresolved problem by defense and intelligence officials. nor does it tell us how to understand the phenomenon of personal paranormal encounters. Amen. Such a well-worded paragraph. It could be that sometimes the military industrial complex uses UFOs as cover stories for secret projects, and sometimes uses secret projects as cover stories for actual encounters with non-human intelligence.

It could be that the Wall Street Journal's military sources, intend to pile disinformation atop this information. But when you combine the evidence that UFO stories frequently have been used as disinformation with the failure of would-be whistleblowers to make good on their promises of proof, it's understandable if you assume that any given insider story of secret UFO knowledge probably originates in cover-ups and sci-ups. as opposed to the X-Files possibility that all the elements of the UFO question are intimately connected, that some group in the government knows what the strange aerial encounters represent

and how they fit together with abduction narratives, and by the way, also has an alien spacecraft in a hidden hangar somewhere. His last paragraph here that I want to read for you guys, but defaulting to the sci-op explanation doesn't just leave a set of weird UFO-related phenomena, unexplained. It also leaves an obvious question open and unanswered. If many stories of insider UFO knowledge originate in deliberate disinformation projects and we have been living through a veritable golden age of strange leaks and tales of insider knowledge, then what exactly might this era's particular sci-up be intended to conceal? So I read you four paragraphs. I highlighted two of them

on the screen because I think these were the most important. That Ross Duthat believes that this explanation by the Wall Street Journal isn't cutting it. It does not account for everything. It can't. It simply can't. You can't tell me

that my UFO setting, your UFO setting, the hundreds of thousands of people around the world that their UFO settings were caused by the fucking government. I'm sorry. Oh, man. It just pisses me off.

And I believe the Wall Street Journal that a lot of this was a disinformation campaign. I do believe that they probably faked this stuff or created these false UFO programs and haste people. I do genuinely believe that. But to then come out with these articles and sort of put a definitive pin on this and say, Yep, explains everything we've all been lied to.

All of us. Like, it's all explainable. It's all man-made technology in the United States. Oh, is it? Then why the fuck are people seeing these things all over the world? Is the U.S. sending UFOs to every country? Come on. Some of it is caused by the government.

Of course it is, Michael. I agree with you on that. A large portion of it is. Hell, maybe my UFO setting was a stealth bomber. I saw a black triangle when I was 12. Could it easily been mad. Could have been a blimp. I don't know.

Some weird triangular blimp. Or it could have been an alien. But yeah. Sorry for the language, guys. I know I don't swear often on this show. But it was good to see an article in the New York Times, a very conservative newspaper. Not politically, sometimes politically, but very conservative in what they choose to cover and how they cover it. to come out with a, I know it's an opinion piece,

but it still gets read by hundreds of thousands of people to say that, you know, take what you read in the Wall Street Journal with a grain of salt, because there's a lot of things out there that are not a sirea, that are not government or American med-made, that are not masks for top secret programs and whatnot. This is a perfect way to summarize. Each case has to be addressed and investigated on its own merits, 100%. But that's enough of me cursing and giving my thoughts and opinions.

I want to bring in our wonderful moderator, Suzanne, and I want to get her thoughts on all of this. I hope I didn't steal her thunder or anything. But let's go ahead and bring her in and get her thoughts on all of this. Suzanne, welcome. Hi, how is everyone? How are you guys doing? Let her know in the chat. I will try to keep up with you guys while she's on behave, as always.

They're so sweet. But I have some interesting to do. Yes. I do. I have a little. Yes, I do. All right, let's hear it. Just go.

I'm just going to get it out of my system. Do it now. Funny how somewhere in the skies has turned into Suzanne's therapy. Oh, God. That's a lot of pressure. All right. So just so everyone has it in context, remember that, The Wall Street Journal put out two articles, debunking basically all the experiencers and the videos and whatnot photos.

And they explained it via Sean Kirkpatrick, is everybody humming. By saying it was hazing or it was electromagnetic testing at Malmstrom when the 12 silos, or however many they were, were shut down. while an object was hovering overhead, seen by many, you know. So anyway, here I wasn't having it. You weren't having it. Turns out nobody else is having it either. And so I was really glad to see the New York Times come out with this guy. And I don't know anything about him.

I now have him flagged. We'll follow along to see whether this is something he'll hit routinely or is this a one and done. but there are things about it that bother me. I completely agree with his conclusion. It does not explain everything. But when he uses language in the middle of the article, like if would-be whistleblowers with national security backgrounds like David Grush and Louis El Zondo were hailing well,

and in the Elzondo case, publishing a best-selling book, then surely there was no better time to deliver the supposedly world-altering truth. When you use words like would-be whistleblowers, okay people, these are whistleblowers. They're whistleblowers. They have protections under the whistleblower

acts. They've moved carefully, lawyered themselves up. They're not would-be. So the tone, while much more subtle, is still concerning to me. Cut it out. Cut it out. Why take that

why take that jab at those guys? I don't understand or appreciate it, but all in all, you know, a much better thought process. And I particularly liked how he ended it with, sorry, 17,000 pages here.

I would expect nothing less. Nothing else. And they all look like this. Oh my God. So if many stories of insider UFO knowledge, originate in deliberate disinformation projects. And we have been living through a veritable golden age of strange leaks and tales of insider knowledge. Then what exactly might this era's particular sciop be intended to conceal? Yeah. That's the right question. Somebody finally nailed the right

question. The why of it. Keep it in context, but why? What's the motivator? And it has to be disinformation. But we're not alone, Ryan. That's the good news because Tim Gallaudet had a little something to say about it, along with Chris Mellon and Merrick von Rennon-Kamp. I hope I'm pronouncing that properly. Did you see their article in The Hill? I did. I had that pulled up. I don't know why I didn't include it in this, but do you have some quotes? I can take it through it quickly. Yeah. Okay, please. Yeah. They, um, that it's interesting because this came out then behind the New York Times article. And to paraphrase it, they're basically saying, this is baloney from Wall Street Journal. They literally shut the nukes down in 1967 at Malmstrom. And the excuses that Kirkpatrick is

giving make no sense. He says the incident was in 1967, of course, with UFOs overhead and numerous witnesses, but the documents reveal that the testing that Kirkpatrick claims to have been happening, this electromagnetic testing that they were trying to do to see if the Russians might be able to affect our missiles, that was not even brought up until 1971, four years later. And then further documents reveal that the testing to be able to actually do it was not developed until 1973, six years later, and that there's no way that this giant thing that they saw over their heads that night, over the nukes,

there's no way that this was some kind of glowing object, you know, instantly constructed over everybody's heads. No. No. So anyway, that's worth a read. It's at the hill and it's free. Gallaudet, Melon, and Merrick von Rennon, Camp. Yes. Yeah, I'll put a link in the show notes as well after this for that as well. It was a good response. And I'm glad they pointed those things out respectfully. Like, okay. Here's the things that you clearly didn't look enough into. And here you go.

Cool, cool, cool. Now, you know, my man, Carl Nell. Carl Nell had a little something to say about it. He did, oh, you got to do is Google it. You can pull. that one up, everybody. But Carl responded to the Wall Street Journal by saying, this image is point blank. He's looking deadpan at the camera rattling this stuff off. There are not notes. There are no, he's just telling it. And he says, NHI exist. NHI interacts with humanity. NHI contact is longstanding and ongoing. NIH contact is not new. He has, his words, zero doubt because of things like the Fermi paradox that faster than light travel was proved in 1994, that negative energies, existence, and use was proved in the 1960s. We don't have it figured out completely, obviously, but that those concepts

are now validated. He says, government officials, of course, have confirmed that in is real, and that the experiencers and the videos, particularly things like the gimbal and the GoFAS, where they're coming from highly reliable sources, prove otherwise. And he said, so if it's all disinformation, why do we have a years-long understanding with the Russians that we will notify each other of basically contact around our nuke so as to avoid accidents, accidentally firing, starting a nuclear war. So I appreciated him stepping forward and very clearly. Yeah. Wow. I hadn't seen that one. I know, I don't know why I didn't have that pulled up. You had that in our notes and I completely didn't see that video. Okay. Okay. You know what I'm doing?

It's literally that brief. He is just that direct. So what? Yeah. No, I love it. I think what I'll do is for the podcast version of this, I'll put the audio from that Carl Nell thing into the audio so people can hear it. But yeah, I'm sure if you guys look up Carl Nell on Twitter, just type in Carl Nell, UFO, Wall Street Journal. It should pop up. Right there. And it's worth to watch. Yep, it's worth the watch. Yep.

Exactly. Yeah. I think you put it best. And then we'll move on to our next story that, like, you know, it was a well-balanced article in some place. He did take some pretty big pot shots at the whistleblowers. And it's funny to me that he would like in one breath support the genuine in stories and authenticity of UFO experiencers. And then like in the same breath like completely like throw shade at the whistleblowers who a lot of them, no matter what it is they're bringing forward. A lot of them are scared for their lives, like we have mentioned.

And putting everything on the line, Ryan. Putting everything on the line. Career, family, anonymity. Everything's on the line for these people. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, it was, yeah, I feel like for every step forward in the article, there was a step back at times. But I think, like you mentioned, the biggest thing is that last sentence of if this is

a sigh up, why? Why? What's the goal? And that's the question we need. to think about moving forward both in the UFO world and outside of it. Exactly. To be completely honest. It's the right question.

Yeah. In an ever-increasing world of weaponization and militarization, like we got to be careful and we have to ask these questions of why. So, so yeah, it's, it was interesting. I thought worth discussing. Did we lose you? There we go. There we are.

Nope. I'm here. Yeah, it's been a little wonky tonight. the Wi-Fi. I do apologize, but you're still here. You're still here. Something's going on. Shall we move? Shall we move to our next story? Sure. Okay. All right. Let's move to the next one here.

We had a interview come out recently with Ross Colthart over at News Nation with Senator Mike Rounds. And it was an interesting interview. Senator Mike Rounds recently spoke to News Nation about reintroducing the UAP Disclosure Act legislation that could push the federal government to release files and records related to UAP. A stripped down version of the original amendment was previously passed as part of an annual defense policy bill. but the iteration nixed several key provisions that were expected to lead to more UAP transparency. Rounds, along with Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, intend to move forward once again with the initial UAP transparency effort as lawmakers begin working on the annual National Defense Authorization Act in the coming weeks. So good time to get Mike rounds on the News Nation show and a good time to ask him.

Like, is it going to happen? Are we going to get another UAP Disclosure Act? So what I'm going to do, Suzanne, is play this first clip about that. He did answer that question. And the second question in this clip was a bit more enticing. So we'll give this clip a watch and then I want to get your thoughts on it. Sound good? Sounds perfect.

Cool, cool, cool. Let me find the clip. Here we go. I'm going to see a reintroduction of the UAP Displosure Act. Are you going to try and get it through the Congress once again this year? I've been informed that Senator Schumer would like to partner once again and that we would offer it again this year in the National Defense Authorization Act, which we'll begin working on here in the next few weeks. So the answer is yes, we intend to move forward once again.

and we modeled this originally after the Kennedy assassination reports and the committee that was established to release the timely information that we had available. But to make a decision on that one to release information based on not only its need, but its appropriateness, we thought the same type of approach that successfully released a huge amount of information on the Kennedy assassination would be the appropriate way to look at, any information that was available on the issue of what was at that time UFOs. Wireless can feel like a world of traps, but not with Visible. It's one-line wireless with unlimited data and hotspot. Powered by Verizon for $25 a month, taxes and fees included. Plus, for a limited time, new members pay just $20 a month for one year on the Visible plan, using the code Fresh Start.

Refresh your wireless with Visible. Tap the banner to switch today. Terms applied, limited time offer subject to change. See visible.com for plan features and network management details. Perhaps the most significant thing about that original legislation was that as well as it being an incredible 64 pages of proposed UAP disclosure legislation. It was an incredibly powerful piece of legislation if it had gone through in the form, in the original form that was proposed. It mentioned non-human intelligence, NHA, 24 times. It's a very bold statement, isn't it, by the Senate and by the Congress of intention? You seem to be suggesting there that there is a there there to be found. You know, our intent was to make sure that there wasn't an assumption by folks who were following.

it that we were trying to hide anything. And our goal was to say, look, if there is any of this, which a lot of folks out there have questioned whether or not after all these years, there was contact that we had with entities, intelligence that was not of this earth and so forth, we just thought rather than beating around the bush, let's just say, look, if there's any of that out there, then let's disclose Is it, let's make that available or at least collect it? And then at some point, based upon a commission's review of it, to determine any national security concerns, to be able to share that information at the appropriate time. Okay.

So, we're going to get a new version of the UAP Disclosure Act, it seems interesting. We'll see if there are new provisions, if they're going to be the same. if non-human intelligence will make a staggering 24-time return. So that's what I want to ask you, Suzanne. What do you think of first the UAP Disclosure Act possibly being reactivated again and put into the National Authorization Act? And what do you think of this talk about non-human intelligence being used so much in the bill last time? It sounds like they know something, of course, but I'll tell you where my concern is.

I have two. One is, I'm sure everyone has watched the coverage of Speaker Johnson, who is allegedly responsible for shooting this thing down, stopping it in its tracks behind the scenes. I don't know if it's true or not. It seems pretty well documented if you read a lot around it. So what's going to be different this time? And what are they going to do with things like the imminent domain provision? And for those of you who don't know, imminent domain is the government being able to take legal title and control and possession of land or objects or, you know, whatever they find from people all over the world, which is how that was structured in the original act.

that is not going to be helpful to people who might be holding the stuff like a Lockheed Martin or a Raytheon or whoever has it. And I'm afraid they need to temper down sort of the punishing paragraphs that, and those are my words, not theirs, but paragraphs that might cause the possessors of these items to flinch. Mr. Duthat noted in his article as well that this imminent domain thing is not helpful. And we're going to stump our toe on it over and over. My second concern is there are other proposed acts bouncing around back there in the stratosphere

that would deal with some of these things. and very effectively, and they're just being shot down from discussion. So here's my prediction. We'll see whether I'm right or not. I think we're going to get a new act very much like the old act, and I think we're going to run into the same problems. Hope I'm wrong, you know, but get it figured out and get it going. Until we do this, we're literally stopped in our tracks on the government end of what we hope for,

which is disclosure. Disclosure of what? Disclosure of the existence of materials and biologics. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Because that, you know, a lot of people are like in the hardcore believer camp or like 24 times they said that in this thing. That means there's, you know, where there's smoke. There's fire. I get that.

Like I totally get that. But then on the other hand, a lot of people on the other side are saying, no, they did that because they knew it was going to get like this. would be the thing to kill the bill. Yeah. And a lot of people wanted that. I agree. I don't think you can read a lot into that, which is where I'm hearing you are. And I think that's right.

You know, correlation is not causation. It's not going to work that way. It is interesting to use it with some level of specificity. But the bill's got to say that, right? Otherwise, how else are you going to identify? Are we going to go back to UFOs and extraterrestrial? Are we going to go back to that? How do they want to see this?

Right? So there's got to be a word in there for that. And I think that's what they've used. But I think the problems are so much bigger than anything we might could read from the use of that word so many times. Speaking of reading into things, I would suggest people go watch Christina Gomez, who we featured on last week's live stream. She did a video about this interview and she caught something. that she believes was a Freudian slip from rounds. Really?

I don't think I agree with her. I respectfully disagree. I think it was just a slip up on his part. However, you could look into it this way. He said in that interview, something about we want to find out, or we want to prove or at least find out about the existence of other life in the world. not in the universe but in the world in the world so christita sort of theorized does he mean like it's

like here our world amongst those yeah and he he literally was like in the world i mean uh the universe or something like that um so like i took it as just a simple like you know brain fart at the time and he corrected himself immediately uh uh not with miss gomez she like he has a theory deep and she thinks he meant that. I don't know if like trying to get it out there or it was a slip up of something you might know. Yeah, that like. Yeah. Well, they have to know some stuff.

You know, they have been briefed on various topics. I suspect they know more than what he's willing to tell. But don't you find it interesting that he's out there on all these podcasts right now? He's everywhere right now. Yeah. Yeah. It's always, you always got to wonder what. What is it with these Congress people or senators?

Right. Or people like Tim Phillips, like why? Why are they doing this? And again, why now? Like you said, that's the biggest question with all of this. Why now? That's two pounds credit, though. He does mention in the full-length clip, and it's pretty long.

It's about 45 minutes, but I do recommend you watch and listen and watch body language and facial expression while he's speaking. because he reads is quite truthful the vast majority of the time. But he says at some point, we do have objects and video and testimony about things that we cannot explain. We do not understand the physics of what we're watching. So while he then backs himself up and says, you know, I'm not saying it's in H.I. I'm not saying it's aliens. they are watching something, which is the right way to look at this, right?

To what is the day to say versus what are the talking points? Yeah. He's at least headed in the right direction, in theory, on the exterior. I think so. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. On the exterior. Exactly. There's always an on the exterior.

Always. Let's play the second clip. This one's interesting. interesting. Ross asks him about his thoughts on Arrow and not just Arrow, but the FBI, as we learned recently, the FBI has been doing their own little battery UFO investigations, as it were. And this was an interesting response that Phillips gave on that second question about the FBI. But let's play the clip. And yeah, I'll get your thoughts on this. All right. Okay. Ready. Some criticism of the Pentagon's UAP investigation office, ARO, the All Domain Anomily Resolution Office from people in the House, notably Representative Luno.

What's your position on Arrow? Is it doing a good job? I've had an opportunity to meet with leaders from the program. I found them to be open and curious. I don't have any evidence that says that there's, in any way, way, a desire to limit their ability to do research or to hide the information that they're doing. I think there are concerns on the part of some people that are, that are, you know, that are very active in the UAP search that thought that this was too close to the administration,

or not so much the administration, but too close to the, to the existing power structure, us just saying that they may very well be influenced by it. I found our discussions to be pretty frank and open. There is an ongoing FBI investigation that's operating secretly. I've been approached by some members of that team and I know they've been talking to a lot of people investigating allegations of federal crimes. Are you aware of that FBI investigation and have you had any meetings with them? Let me just say I have not excluded our discussions with FBI officials. I've actually talked to FBI officials to ask questions of them. I have found them to be open and fully disclosing where they have been involved in any investigations concerning individuals or

events. And I won't go any farther than that, but I don't see any part of any kind of a conspiracy involving those particular entities, just the fact that they have been involved in discussion with us, but just as a normal part of our curiosity about what's going on. Well, is there any possibility that you'd consider bringing into this proposed new UAP disclosure legislation, perhaps some kind of mandate that says that, okay, here are there are, there are all these allegations of federal crimes that have been committed, including, quite dramatically allegations of murder that have been raised by whistleblowers. This is very serious allegations of capital crimes, federal crimes.

Is there perhaps a possibility that you could put a mandate inside that legislation giving the FBI some kind of instruction or dictat about making sure that this is a priority? I have not pursued that. This is honestly, if I've ever had that question be asked. I would probably stay away from those types of items of getting involved in telling law enforcement what they have to do. I have not found that to be part of any discussion that I've been involved with. So brand new, brand new request that you're asking about today. Putting him on the spot there.

Brand new. Thanks, Ross. And then I have an idea. Maybe you should be thinking through these types of questions before you go on a show like this. Yeah, right? Just a thought. Then you legislator, you should be thinking in advance. So, okay.

This guy seems to put a lot of faith and trust into both Arrow and whatever this FBI group is. But what do you think? What do you think about his thoughts on the way Arrow is handling everything? And also, like Ross said, like, there have been claims of, like, criminal activity. Like, okay, let's say that the, It's not just stove piping information within the UFO topic in the government, but it's literally people in these special access programs. How would I say?

Committing crimes against their own people or illegally moving money around or doing, whatever they're doing that's criminal that really set off the entire David Grush complaints at the beginning with the inspector. general. What do you make of that? This is my long-winded way of asking. What did you make of this clip? I think this is a really good clip for everybody to watch on body language, language, and facial expression, especially because he has a misspeak in there using the word administration. So when you back it up, you can watch hands open at the right time, a comfort level in talking, looking right in until he misspeaks. And then you can see he's fixing something. So it's a good, it's a good example for a non-lawyer to watch on what lawyers are looking for when people are testifying or whatever.

But I think what I make of all that is he could also be referring to the siloing problem. And so if someone is doing something inappropriate in one silo, the other silos don't work, don't know. They can't counterbalance. There's no one to counterbalance. So I see it as a combo problem and they're going to have to fix it. And the only way to fix it is with the UAPDA. Yeah.

Okay. Or something like it. Or something like it. Okay. This is interesting. I do want to at least acknowledge this. Jeff Knox named the possible FBI people. Oh.

That Ross may have spoken to. Oh, I see. Yeah. Michael Herwig and Adam Herndon. I've never heard these names. I don't know anything about it. But there you go, guys. might be worth looking into.

Wow. Apparently they spoke with Robert Hastings, which is interesting because he's the UFOs and nukes guy. So I don't know. I don't know. Worth a look into. There's one more time guys. Michael Herwig, Adam Herndon.

See if you could find anything else on them. Wow. Cool, cool. Anything else from this interview that you found of interest before we move on to our final story? It's worth a listen from. to back, but in a watch and to watch. But I think you've got it, you've got to talk through properly. Cool. Yeah, I kind of had like three main points that I would say from this thing. And it was reintroduction of the UAP Disclosure Act seeking clarity on entities and non-earth

intelligence. And lastly, stepping up government accountability. So exactly. And transparency. Yeah. And transparency. Transparency is where we're moving next, Suzanne, because you have a very close connection to our final story of tonight. And that is this announcement that was made this week, joining forces for UAP disclosure. In a historic move, three UAP organizations are combining into one policy, legal, and grassroots powerhouse. So this will be the combination of the UAP disclosure.

Fund, the Disclosure Advocacy Group, and the UAP Caucus. Three leading civil society organizations dedicated to advancing greater understanding of UAP, announced their historic combination. Let me see here. They will engage on a united front with the public, academia, federal, state, and local governments, and the private sector to foster transparency, shape, and championed scientific inquiry with respect to UAP. Now, that is from the official website of UAP Disclosure Fund, Suzanne.

But tell us a little bit more about this because you are a part of this group. Is that correct? I am. I'm part of the Disclosure Advocacy Group, which is an incredible group of lawyers from all over the country who have for a long time been helping behind the scenes with whistleblowers for requests that go wrong, all sorts of things, and also advising on legislation and those sorts of things. These are some really experienced, really good lawyers who have incredible thinking abilities and who are hardworking, and it's all volunteer.

And so this has not gotten a lot of attention out there, which frankly surprises me. And if it's okay with you, I'd kind of like to walk through the three groups. and why this is happening, and everyone can maybe better understand why this might matter. Sure. It will be all right. So let's start with the UAP caucus. Remember that this was constructed and created by Lester Nair, who is so well respected in that way. I'm sorry to interrupt.

He spoke at an Amiccan last year as well on this very topic. Well, worth a follow on social media and bright guy. But the UAP caucus has Tim Burchett, Anna Paulina Luna, Andy Ogles, Matt Gets, and Jared Moskowitz on it. And so the UAP caucus has been working with those legislators in trying to get disclosure, at least transparency. They are also information gatherers. They're trying to get the information centralized. And so they have scholarly, you know, scholarly, papers and legislative papers that they're proposing. And so they, if you go to their website,

the UAP caucus, you can then link directly to lots of really great information and not just legal, you know, political and science. All of it is is there for you to click and study. And I highly recommend that you do so. So that's the first leg of this new triangle. The second one is the UAP Disclosure Fund. And that, of course, is Chris Mellon, who's the former deputy assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Jordan Flowers, and Juan Yang, Hunt Willis, who is one of the lawyers in the Disclosure Advocacy Group with me, and Darren Bruno, who is the same. He's part of my group. And Lesterner is there as well. But look, I want you to hear their advisory board.

Anna Brady Estevez, Eric Davis, Tim Gallaudet, Mike Gold, Avi Loeb, and Kirk McConnell. Wow. So killer group of bright, bright people in the UAP Disclosure Fund. And then we have the Disclosure Advocacy Group, which does what I was talking about earlier, which is, you know, working behind the scenes. And we'll literally, at times, receive. phone calls or messages about where to step next for a whistleblower. You know, the military law is a world on its own, and these guys know it like the back of their hand. So this is a really important

place and a important combination of entities who are all after the same goals, but with different specialties. And so you're watching them unite in sort of a one-stop shopping kind of of thing for people who need help in this topic. So with your group, the Disclosure Advocacy group, now are you the type of group that would be working specifically with like UFO whistleblowers or is that like above the pay grade of what you guys do? No, that's part of what we do. And you know these whistleblowers, their names would come to mind.

And so it's going to be a good group to watch as we move forward to see what together we can do to push things forward, including legislation. Okay, okay. That's so interesting. I'm trying to see if I have any more information here for you guys. No, I think you've covered all of it. It's good to see groups coming together instead of like following. apart. There's so many UFO groups that like come and go in this field. A lot of them have really good intentions and others like might not. They have agendas that are more than questionable.

However, it does seem that the three of these groups have kind of the same goals in mind when it comes to some sort of UFO disclosure. And the only way to. The only way to really do that is to work from a from a legal standard like we said from a political standard and from you know everything else that comes with what the uap disclosure fund right would be doing so um it's good to attack it from all angles because uh look it's really the only way that we will get anywhere when it comes to an official quote unquote disclosure you know I always tell people, Suzanne, have your own disclosure. Have your own disclosure.

But if you are one of these people, and there are many, and I'm saying thousands of people out there who do still hope for some sort of disclosure from like the government, this is the way it's going to happen. It's going to happen. It's not going to be easy. It's not going to be quick. And it's going to be messy. And it's going to have a lot of legal battles. And that's the way it was set up. from the very beginning of the cover-up.

So the fact that you guys, it's like the Avengers coming together. Like on their own, they're okay. They can like... Right? Yeah. Which way? You'll have to let us know.

Which Avenger should Suzanne be, you guys put it on the chat. With your powers combined. It's like any good coming together group to defeat evil. And in this case, evil is the UFO cover up. The evil empire. I also think it's good for the group to know that all three of these groups are highly focused. This isn't a scatter approach.

And I think some of the groups that have fallen apart are scatter groups. They cannot stay focused and follow the trail in a controlled and thoughtful way. This group can do that. Yeah, I think you're right. I think a lot of them get in it and they're like, oh, God, nope. Or like you said, they have this, like, grandiose idea of, you know, they're going to be the ones to crack this code, this mystery that we've been investigating, you know, for 70 plus years now at this.

I mean, centuries, if you really go back. But, yeah, yeah, it's good to know that there's a focus, there's a plan. and I'm looking forward to everything you guys do over there. Do you know where we can learn more? Do you each have your own websites? That will be coming. Everybody has their own thing right now. All of that will fold under a single unit.

And all of that is underway and it will happen very, very quickly. But I think the other thing I'd love for everyone to stay focused on is the people in these groups are not getting paid. this is happening because it is intellectually and morally important. And that too is a rarity, isn't it? That you're going to get these kinds of professionals just all in behind the scenes quietly, doing what it needs to be done. Yeah. A lot of the time it's losing money, right?

Instead of making money. No question. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I commend you guys. I'm wishing you all. the best for this. Please keep us updated on the progression of it. If and when the website goes live and what we can do as, you know, citizens and

supporters of some sort of disclosure. That's for sure. The last question I want to ask you, Suzanne, is someone asking the chat, what's going on with our good buddy Grush? Oh, Mr. Grush. Or are we still in a legal limbo with that? It's a hot, hot summer for Mr. Grush. Well, here's the latest from somewhere in a courtroom. On Friday of this upcoming week, Mr. Grush has to have his brief filed in what's called the plea in bar, which is one of those sort of motions to test his pleadings. And it all got cleaned out and redone.

And so I'll be watching for that. And then the other side, Loudoun County, has to have their reply to his. his brief in by July 25th. And then they're going to have a hearing on that on August 6th. So it's brewing around, brewing around. It's brewing. It's always brewing. Yeah.

August 6, 6, 7, 8. That's three days before my birthday. So hopefully we'll have an update for my birthday present. Yeah. I love it. Biologist is here. Crush update. Crush update.

Grush update. Yeah. It's our weekly grub date. That's what I'm naming. Your grub date. I don't like that. We'll workshop it. We'll figure something else out.

We'll figure that. Awesome. I'm trying to see if we have anything else in here before I let you go. Michael Huntington is clearly not for a political disclosure. I'm sure he's not alone in that. But hey, you know, again, I applaud any effort to get any transparency. on this issue from the government. It's not, it's David versus Goliath.

It is. Yeah, it truly is. Now I have a couple of Davids. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, more than what David. The Davids are, uh, multiple. The David's are gathering. I love it.

I love it. Awesome, Zizep. Well, I think that's all I have. If there's anything else you wanted to share before I let you go back into the chat. Not for me. Cool, cool. I will let you go then. Thank you.

so much again for your time and all of your research. We highly value everything you do here. So thank you. You're so welcome. All right. I'll see you in the chat. Okay. Bye.

Time to booga on out of here. Jay Allen-Hineken says, yes, we are about to wrap things up here. Guys, oh, man, we've been going for over two hours. Yeah, it's time to go. It's time to go. We covered us so much. But there is still more to come with somewhere in the sky. So I'm just going to tease what's coming up for you guys.

And we have a poll as well. I'm going to get to that in just a minute. Coming up in just a couple hours, we have a brand new episode of the Somewhere in the Sky's podcast titled The Enrico Bosa Encounter and UFOs of Argentina. Guys, I busted my ass on this episode. I'm so damn proud of it. It's one of our audio documentary episodes where I cover an entire UFO wave

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as well. So please go do that right now or right after here as well. Let's go to our poll that I put up, guys. We're going to return to the UAP Disclosure Act. And I asked, let me share this for you. You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save? Enough to get lost. Or you could book a stay with Hilton. Welcome to your oceanfront room. Just steps from the water. The Hilton sale is on now. Book on Hilton.com or the Hilton app and save up to 20% to get the stay you expected.

When you want savings, not surprises. It matters where you stay. Hilton, for the stay. I asked over on YouTube, will anything new or important be in the 2025 UAP Disclosure Act? I wanted to know, like, will this be worth it? And out of 70 votes, will anything new or important happen? 7% of you said yes.

50% of you said no. 37% said maybe and 6% said don't care. I have a good feeling that the 6% don't cares are the same ones who talked about it in the chat tonight. Awesome, awesome. Thank you, Suzanne. So there you go. Wow, 50% more than exactly half of you. believe nothing new or important will come of this.

That's depressing. But hey, we'll see. We'll see what happens. Jeff Knox says I'm guilty. Yeah, I could have seen that one from a mile away, Jeff. I could have seen that from a mile away. But there you go, guys. Thank you.

Thank you for voting in that as well. And I think that is going to do it for tonight. Other than check out a nomicon. Again, it's fastly approaching. It doesn't feel like it, but it will. It'll sneak up on you. It'll sneak up on you just like a good old-fashioned UFO. You can learn more at anomicon.com.

This will be a free virtual conference happening on September 20th. You can find out more about all of our speakers and what we got going on this year. We have merch available if you're interested in supporting a nomicon that way. You can learn more at the link that Suzanne has on the screen as well. And I'm so excited for Namicon, guys. We have some super cool unique speakers this year with a couple more to be announced very soon. Going to check out the Hexom event, Neil says, oh, thanks, man.

I hope you can make it. I saw, I believe Gareth might be coming as well. So that's pretty cool. A lot of people have reached out to me on Twitter and stuff and said they're coming as well. They booked their tickets. So you can learn more about cosmic frequencies, the event I'll be speaking at in Hexham, UK, at cosmic frequencies.org. So that's going to do it, guys. I see a lot of you putting very kind and sweet accolades up here.

We will play those at the end here as we play our outro. But I do want to once again thank our supporters for tonight. There was a question here. Shepard Johnson asked, Ryan, have you seen the new Disney movie Elio? kinds of UFO references. I have not, but I do plan on it. I heard it got really good reviews.

And I heard that they even mentioned Arrow in the movie. We've made it, guys. A Disney Pixar movie mentioned the official government Pentagon funded UFO program. We have made it. So, so cool. So, yeah, I do plan on checking out Elio. I heard it's really good. There's so many movies on my list right now.

that I'm planning on watching. I will be seeing Superman that's coming out next week. I saw sinners recently. That was a super good movie. I would highly recommend that to you guys as well. But right now, Jane and I are re-watching the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy.

So we're making like Hobbit-themed meals. We're watching Lord of the Rings and we are having a great time just revisiting that incredible, incredible trilogy. And it was not Gareth, but it was Ian who's coming to the Hexham event on the 9th. Thank you so much, man. I can't wait to meet you in Hexham, UK, at Cosmic Frequency.

Tickets are still available, but going very quick, especially for the VIP. So be sure to check all of that out at cosmic frequencies.org. Okay, that's going to do it. Longest live stream ever, I love you guys. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Special thank you, as always, to Suzanne for her wonderful work. in the chat and on the screen. Always amazing having her insights as well.

I will hopefully maybe see you guys next week. I will let you know on social media if we will be having a live stream next week. Got some stuff going on in the life. So I will keep you posted. We'll keep it posted on that as well. But yes, like, subscribe. Do all those YouTubey things, do all those podcasty things, rate review, blah, blah, blah.

I love you. You're all awesome. You're beautiful people. And that is it. Keep looking up and keep your feet on the ground whilst looking up. But never stop searching somewhere in the skies. I completely butchered that. Bye! There's nothing to hide. There's nothing to hide at all. Somewhere in the skies is part of the Somewhere Podcast universe. Please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. To learn more about all of our shows, visit the SPU.com.