Somewhere in the Skies - Investigating Unexplained Phenomena with Chris Lehto (Former USAF Fighter Pilot)

Episode Date: September 20, 2021

On episode 231 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we are welcomed by former USAF fighter pilot, Lieutenant Colonel Chris Lehto. With over eighteen years of flying, he worked as the Commander of the US Detachment at the Tactical Leadership Programme in Albacete, Spain. As Chief of Flying Branch, he oversaw the execution of three flying courses with no safety incidents. Previous to his final assignment, as Training Systems Assistant Director of Operations for the 56th Training Squadron at Luke Air Force Base, Arizona, he directed the development, procurement, and sustainment of F-16 simulator training. He overseas program officers for two simulator contracts and represents Luke as F-16 training systems subject matter expert. After Lehto saw the Navy UFO videos, it definitely caught his attention. Especially when he noticed that several of them had been debunked. So he decided to debunk the debunkers and use his eighteen years of flying to give us an inside glimpse of what the pilots may have experienced during these dramatic events. Today, he walks us through some of the more interesting aspects of the Navy UFO videos, his first real-world combat flight, and so much more as we continue our conversation of UFOs in 2021 and beyond. Subscribe to his YouTube Channel at: https://www.youtube.com/c/ChrisLehtoF16 VOTE for Somewhere in the Skies in the 2021 Paranormal Podcast Awards! https://bit.ly/3j4ijTg Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Somewhere in the Skies Coffee! https://bit.ly/3mIAq2o Order Ryan’s book in paperback, ebook, or audiobook by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Somewhere in the Skies Subreddit: www.reddit.com/r/SomewhereSkiesPod/ Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Episode edited by Jane Palomera Moore Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE Copyright © 2020 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague. Chris, thank you so much for joining me today on Somewhere in the Skies. Excellent. Yeah. Thanks, Ryan. Happy to be here, definitely. Yeah, I'm excited, man. I mean, I know you're sort of new to the whole UFO discourse and conversation,

and you just dove right in, man. I know your first videos that came out about the now-fellon. famous Navy UFO videos and incidents just really took off. I mean, it was crazy how viral those went. And I think people were excited to finally see another fighter pilot coming forward to to sort of back these other people up and say, look, these were not conventional things we saw out there. There's probably a hundred different explanations to what it could be.

But we'll kind of get into that in a little bit. But I do have to ask, you know, For my listeners, viewers, who may not be too familiar with who you are and how it sort of came on the scene here in our little UFO community. What first got you interested in becoming a fighter pilot? How did that whole, I guess, string of events turn out? Yeah, it was interesting. Most fighter pilots actually, it was kind of their dream, you know, growing up. And my roommate at the Air Force Academy, it was his dream.

actually to go to pilot training and be a fighter pilot. And then his eyes, you know, he couldn't because of his eyesight. You know, they ended up changing the last minute, actually. So if they really need pilots, they will, you know, the requirements actually can get bigger. But actually, I went to the Air Force Academy. You know, I wasn't really that interested in the military, but I really just wanted discipline, actually. You know, I wanted more discipline. I wanted an exciting life.

I didn't just want the suburb kind of lifestyle that I grew up in. I just did not want that. And it seemed like an exciting, exciting opportunity. You know, I applied. I didn't really think I would get in, actually. It's very difficult to get in. And I was surprised they let me in. So it's this amazing opportunity.

You can't pass up. And I went. And so when I was there, they tell you the whole time. They're like, just quit, man. Just quit. You can quit anytime. You know, just go ahead. quit you know and apparently that's exactly what if you tell me that I do exactly the opposite you

know I don't know it's just I have that kind of I've always had that personality just to like I don't know if you hit me here I'm going to stab you in the stomach you know I don't know it's it's like a reflex I can't even I can't stop it so anyway so I made it through I did really enjoy it but it was extremely difficult you know every day I remember I woke up at the Air Force Academy every day I would wake up in the first word in my brain, you know, I'd look around, I'd see where I am, and then I would say, shit, you know, like literally, this was like four years of this, man. So it was, it was tough, you know, but it does, it molds you, you know, it really like pressure cooks you.

So I went through the Air Force Academy, and from the Air Force Academy, you have a pilot slot. So that's the benefit of going to the Academy instead of going to RTC or I had some friends who just went to a normal college. And then after they did their normal college experience, they applied. It's called OTS, Officer Training School. And then they could just get in. You know, so I had friends in the squadrons next to me, you know, that just went to New York. Actually, I have a good friend, Noonan.

He actually was a, he was a photography major. Man, I should talk to him about this optic stuff. Oh, yeah. I didn't talk to Ryan. I'm going to get him on the show. He's super smart, amazingly smart. But he was a, yeah, he had a photography degree. And he went into the recruiters and he said, hey, I want to be, you know,

fighter pilot. They're like, sorry, you can't do that. He's like, no, no, that's what I want to do. You know? And the guy's like, no, I'm sorry, you can't do that. So he did. He'd made it happen. And so, yeah, so if you want to do it, you know, most of the people really tried really hard to get there. And I don't know. I don't want to say I just fell into it. You know, it was very difficult, very hard.

But I do think I had an advantage in pilot training because you go into pilot training. And again, it's just a very competitive environment. And just in a competitive environment, you know, I just, you know, I just, you know, you know, I have to win or whatever. So in that environment, I grew up playing video games and also it wasn't really my dream to be there. You know, it wasn't my dream. And I think that gave me an advantage because when you're really under a lot of pressure,

I think that helps. It just helps. You know, if you don't care as much, it really makes it a lot easier just to be smooth, take your time, do things correctly. Yeah. So I think a fighter squadron is really like a professional sports team. You know, there's just a lot of camaraderie. It's a lot of pressure.

And you know, you have to perform, really perform under a lot of people watching. And so at that level, a lot of it just comes down to your training, your preparation, and then how you can actually perform under pressure. And so I think that just helped me get into fighters. In case you excelled, I did better. And there was, lucky enough, there was a fighter available, went into F-16s. And that's basically how I became a fighter pop. Wow.

And I can't even imagine that stress. pressure, you know, in the moment especially. And I know training is a big part of it. But I got to ask on a personal level, do you remember your first like real world flight and anything you can share about that or like how you performed or what was that experience like? Correct me if I'm wrong, Chris. You don't have someone else in the F-16 with you. Is that right? Like a lot of the other fighter jets do in the Navy and stuff? You're alone. Right. Yeah. And that's it. It's single seat, multi-roll, single-engine fighter. You know, single-seat, single-engine. Okay. Yeah, so that's the F-16. It's like the infantry of the fighters. You know, it's like we're expendable. We're the most numerous, okay? And, you know, we're like the grunts of the fighter world. And we're kind of, it's like a Swiss army knife, you know, master, you know, jack of all trades, master of none. That's like the, the F-16's main main. I guess multi-rule fighting Falcon kind of image how it was designed for single seat single

engine disposable fighter it's really gotcha yeah yeah but it's true everything does come down to you um and it is you are a single point of failure so you know there are there are things to catch errors you know if a maintainer makes a mistake it can be very bad you know it can it can cause a crash obviously but there's many layers to catch these errors, you know, their systems built in. But if the pilot, you know, if he doesn't put down the landing gear, you know, actually there is people watching

that he puts down a landing gear. So, but there is, you know, if the pilot makes a serious mistake, then that's it, you know, it's over. So it's important that, yeah, you got to make sure these guys aren't going to crack into the pressure or so, yeah, so the training is very intense.

What was that first real world flight like for you? Do you remember? I don't even know if I want to forget. It had to be in Korea. Well, real world, like in combat. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, yeah. Okay, my actual real world sorty in combat was insane.

Yeah, it was crazy. I went to Balad. It was in Iraq. So we deployed to Iraq from Aviano. And that was, let's see, that was in 2000, end of 2005. So I've been flying about two and a half years with the viper. And we show up in Balad. You know, we're replacing the previous squadron.

Belad's the main air base, a giant air base right north of Baghdad. It's like, I don't know, 15, 20 miles northeast of Baghdad, a giant base. So we flew in with our squadron. We're replacing our sister squadron. So you do like five month tours. Your whole squadron goes there. You know, so you're all working together as a team. And so we landed.

And, you know, getting there is kind of like a mission in its own, you know, packing everything, making sure all your equipment's correct, you know, all the crazy bureaucracy. I mean, we had to bring so much crap there, like bags of warm weather gear. I remember like I had to have like four pairs of these super thick wool socks, you know, just stuff you would never use. I mean, it's just ridiculous. So anyway, we get there and I thought I would have two days to study. You know, we were supposed to have ground time, two days just to kind of learn the ops. So, you know, I read it before, but did I study enough? Probably not.

So I was like, I'll have time when I get there, you know. So we land. I get like a quick nap in. We land at like midnight or whatever. And I'm just at the chow hall, you know, learning, hey, where do we go? Here's the food. And I see my buddy, Bonzai. I was actually in pilot training with him, Bonzai Walkins.

And he's like, hey, Otis. My call sign was Otis, actually, as a fighter pilot. He's like, hey, Otis, can you sit alert with me, you know, tonight? And I was like, tonight, wow. He's like, yeah, you know, if you can sit because you're new, then that gives the guy we had scheduled. Now he can fly a jet out tomorrow or something to help them get their jets back to Italy. You know, it's also difficult to move all that stuff.

You know, it's just moving that much equipment. Jets always break. So I was like, wow, Bonzai, you know, I don't really know the opposite. Well, he's an amazing pilot, by the way. Excellent. Right now he's the commander of in Luke Air Force Base. He should be a general. hopefully he's a four-star great dude he's so I'm like yeah you know I can fly with you because

he's like dude I know it I know everything you know I can just tell you alert you just sit there right most of the time you don't launch on alert you even told me that it's like dude nobody's launched an alert in the last two months you know it's been super quiet I'm like okay that sounds good you can just tell me everything you know and plus if they already asked me it means everything was already kind of approved through the higher-ups anyway so it's basically an order so I was like sure it sounds good you know so go back, rest it up a bit. And then we get there and we get there early.

We get into the squadron early. It's a night sortie. So we're sitting. You start at midnight, right? And then you sit for 12 hours. So you sit until lunch. And most of the time you're just sitting there all in your gear, you know, in this ready room. And you're just watching TV or studying.

There's a bed in there. And then they, you know, you get a call and it'll be like, you know, it's either go, go, go. And you run out. The jets are all ready. You jump in, flip on the switch and go, you know. I'd never even launched like that before, actually, on a full-up alert. So we go in, we show up early. He's like, we'll show up early, and I'll show you to do it.

And we're like focusing our MVGs, you know, focusing our MVGs. He's like, here's how you get a gun. You know, I've never gotten a gun before. I was like, oh, this is, you know, cool. I clear it in the day I put it on. And then the squadron commander runs in. He's like, go, go. And I was like, what?

You know, I look over Bonzo. I like, no, he's not talking to us, you know. So we like run out there. We run out to the jets, you know. I'm like, where are the Jets? You know, he's like, go over there. I jump in. Yeah.

Is this too long? I'm sorry, man. Not at all, dude. No, this is, this is stuff like because when I, all I know, and I think a lot of us in the civilian world know is what we've seen in like Jerry Brookheimer films or like top gun or whatever. And like that's how it is. Like, go, go, go, go, go. You're up there. You never see the training aspects.

It's just like these guys were born to fly and fight. That was it. But there's so much to it. So I love hearing, like, it's not perfect. Not everything goes the way you think it's going to go. So no, please. I love hearing this story. It's usually the opposite, actually.

Things go differently. And that's what's very good about having people there, right? We're super adaptable. You know, you can talk about autonomous machines, but, you know, people we can adapt. Super trainable. Yeah, so anyway, we get out to the flight line. It's dark.

You know, I run out there. It's a real world mission. So I've run in just, jump in the jet. You know, I'm starting to get my stuff together. Try to make sure your comm's all connected. My helmet's on. And then I see his jet. I haven't even turned on my jet, you know, and he's like, I see his jet taxi. You know, like, holy shit. So I'm like, hurry out, man. So that's where you just like talk to yourself. You try and get yourself on task. Like, what do I need to do? Like focus. You get back into your training mindset. And then just try and

go as fast you can without screwing things up. Make sure your switches, the important switches are really getting but but then I see him launching right and I had no idea where to go and I really wanted to be on the mission you know and I want my first mission in combat just be this failure you know I'm left on the tarmac so I end up just launching right I push it forward I'm like chief I'm out line up on the runway I see him he's like afterburner you know a little tiny afterburner spot just like leaving I was like shit you know so afterburner halfway down the runway I realized like I'm not even strapped in like I didn't strap into anything like Oh, no.

Yeah, it was, that was pretty bad, actually. Yeah, so I'm not strapped into anything. No, I'm like just sitting on this fighter. And he's fine. Yeah, I mean, you're just so much in the, in the moment. Yeah, I get it. It would be like jumping in your race car and just slamming it, you know, like just going. And then you're strapping on while you're going or whatever.

So, so I basically, it's a combat departure. well, yeah, there's not anything. Combat departures. So what you do is there's, there could be people around with heat seeking missiles, right? Just waiting off the end or just rifles. Okay, long rifles would be very, very effective actually. So basically you just, you get going really fast like 450 knots by the end of the runway and then you just push straight up, right? And then you you fly above them. It's called a combat departure. So he did that, right? So then I have to go. It's like night. It's a little bit less because it's at night, but basically I do, I do end up catching them.

And as long as you're under 1G, right, if you fly the plane right, actually, you don't need a seat. You won't fall in out of your seat or anything. So I basically get strapped in. You know, we finally, he finds the house in Baghdad. You know, we finally get our stuff together. And then he's like, do you see this house, you know, down there? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I see it. You know, and they're like, okay, that's it.

And then we pick up a convoy. They're in Humvees, you know, and we find those guys. And so he's tracking the convoy in and coordinated with them, checking it with them, letting them know all of our, all of our information. And I'm just like searching around the house, you know, and it seems there's always like a mosque nearby. So I have to watch the mosque and look for any activity or something. There was nothing. There was no activity. And then, you know, our Humvees drive up there.

I'm looking around somewhere else and everybody just starts shooting at each other, I guess. I didn't even see it. And so I'm just flying around. They jump in. They go up to the top. They secure the building. And then they just book it out of there, you know, as fast as they can go. So I actually lose them as we're as we're following them out along the city.

I kind of felt bad because I had actually lost them. You know, it's just hadn't done that practice before. I hadn't tried to to track, you know, a car or Humvee in a city going like as fast as they can go. I just haven't, haven't done that before. So yeah, it was full up, man. It was awesome. It's great. That's the first story in my book, actually, that I haven't released.

I keep mentioning it, probably just to make myself release the book. Yeah. So that's it. A Lego set is a gift that always clicks. And clicks. The end of the final lap. And we've got a champion. And clicks.

For kids who love everything on wheels, choose a Lego set. A gift that always clicks. Wow. Well, thank you for sharing that. Again, I never, I would, I never expect anyone to, you know, share the grisly details of a lot of the things that you guys experience and stuff. But it's, I like to get in the head of, you know, what goes on during one of these things to sort of frame, you know, why it would be so out of the ordinary for what we're going to talk about in real world experiences when one of these UAP show up. You're like, wow, there's a whole other level to this mission that I was not expecting. So I guess kind of moving on from there, Chris.

And I know you had 18 years of flying. Is that correct? Yeah. So the first two years were training, waiting to fly, you know, waiting for the pilot slot and then flying. Yeah. Wow. That's incredible. Well, okay, I got to ask as a UFO guy.

I know you've sort of spoken on other shows about this. Did you ever see anything? while you were up there or anyone on your missions, nothing like that? Nothing. I mean, never heard, never. I mean, I would look more now for sure. Yeah, there was probably like, you know,

UFOs just following me around, you know, who knows? Right. You are looking around a lot though, you know, you are looking outside, but you know, a lot of the systems are inside, so you are looking inside a lot too. Yeah, I just never was looking for it, never heard about it. Nothing till, till this year.

year. Yeah, because we always hear these rumors of like there was, there's a training manual in the Air Force where what do you do when you spot a UFO? How do you know, how do you go about that? And I think I remember you saying no, that we never came across anything like that. And that's the cold, hard reality about it. Never heard of it. Yeah, nothing. I mean, there was no mention of UFOs or anything. The only thing in my whole career that ever happened that I thought, oh, that's kind of weird, is when I was at the Air Force Academy, I had an amazing instructor in chemistry. And I don't know, he was a lieutenant colonel at the time. So he said this was in 1998.

We were talking about Roswell or something. And he said, it was just humans. It was humans. I don't know. Interesting. Yeah. That was the only thing. I was like, what?

I knew nothing about Roswell or anything. But I remember him saying that for some reason. But how would he know? You know, it was still like, yeah, 40 years. before, you know, so. Yeah, totally. No, I totally get it. I mean, again, you guys, you're not there to look for UFOs. That's not your job.

No, exactly. Muscled their way in somehow. Well, let's talk about how you started the YouTube channel. I mean, I know it didn't, it wasn't just UFOs, but all of a sudden, boom, you put out that first UFO video and it went pretty viral in terms of YouTube. So what got you to start talking about UFOs? So I'm basically, so when I retired, I was looking for something interesting to do, you know, something meaningful. And I want to, I can't just sit at home all day playing video games and make my kids go to school.

You know, it just feels like a dirt bag. I really wanted to still do something. But I also want to spend time with my kids. So I didn't want to go and like start some company right away and be gone all the time. So this seemed like just a great opportunity. I wrote the book. I did the first draft of the book. And then in November, I made the YouTube channel.

And it was really, I've told it before, but my kids, you know, I have three kids and they all watch YouTube, obviously, all the time. And, you know, I watch with them. I love YouTube, you know, have amazing role models, I think, based on YouTube, changed my life. And so when I talk to my kids, they're like, yeah, I want to be a YouTuber when I grow up, you know? And I was like, YouTube, really?

I mean, it's, I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's, cool and all, but you could do that right now. You know, just go and start making videos. I'll help you make videos. And then they're like, why don't you do it then, Dad? And I was like, fine, you know. Actually, I wasn't fine. They talk so much trash.

Like my, you know, I have a girl. She's, she's nine. Oh, she's just a trash talker, you know. So, and they know how to poke me to, you know, so. Yeah. Yeah, they're like, Charlie. I'm like, fine, you know, I'll do it. And I'd already, I'd already written books.

In 2015, I wrote a fitness book called Stan Target. And then in 2017, I wrote a finance book for military. So I'd already kind of gotten over the initial terrifying publication issue. You know, and it is terrifying. Like, everybody talks trash about these people writing books. You know, they're always like, oh, they should, they just want to, they just want to, you know, sell their book or whatever. And it's just so funny. Like, no one who's ever actually written a book and tried to sell one says that.

promise you, you know, it is so hard. I've, I've written two books and I can't tell you, like, the, the profit margin is not what people would expect. It's zero, man. There's like five people out there making millions of dollars off books, you know, and that's it. So there's no, there's no money in books, honestly. You know, it's, I don't think you write a book to make money, or if you are, I think you're in the wrong field or you're going about it the wrong way. Good point. Yeah. So, yeah, so I'd already got a note, but it's terrifying. So you know, right? What kind of books did you write? I'm just curious. Yeah, of course. Of course, naturally I wrote two books about UFOs. I traveled the country, met with people, you know, former military, civilians and their experiences. And it was my first time really putting my voice out there as a, you know, a, what would you even call it, a voice of the UFO topic. And I was terrified. I, yeah. I hadn't, I'd been into the topic. I'd talked about it.

I've written articles, but that was the first time I really said, okay, I'm putting my name out there. I'm, these people have trusted me with their stories. Let's do this. And like you said, it's, it is. It's scary. It's like putting yourself out to the world unlike ever before. So, yeah, I can relate for sure.

Yeah, and it doesn't matter. You know, the more successful you are, the more your net is, the more hate you're going to get, you know? So it's, but you just have to get used to it. It's still tough. Every YouTuber you see has some video where they're just complaining about the trolls and the haters. But whatever, it's part of the game. And for me, actually, it helps me keep me down to earth, you know, because I, you know, I did really well after in pilot training.

I was like, number one of the, I was distinguished graduate. I was very good. I'm very good at my, you know, my hands learning something new. I'm very good at it. But then you have the guys that are just so dedicated, so motivated. It's so motivated. And they just, every day,

man, they just work, work, you know, they're in there on Saturdays, on Sundays, Saturdays. They just live for it.

And you're just not going to, you're not going to beat those guys, you know. If they just have to have a base, if they can have some basic level of talent, which they obviously did, then they were, they could pass me.

And they did, you know, so I didn't just buckle down. And maybe that's because it wasn't my life dream, you know, maybe that's why. Yeah. But,

so when did the, the idea for the first UFO video come about that you put out. I imagine you, like a lot of us, you saw those videos. You were like, whoa, and we were all amazed. But then here you are a pilot who's actually been in these people's kind of shoes in some ways. Yeah, what made you do the first UFO video? Yeah, actually it didn't happen right away because I saw him first at the end of 2020. So in November, I saw, I saw, I saw,

I saw the videos. And it blew my mind, actually. You know, I, I listened to Lex Friedman and Fravor. I listened to that podcast. I stayed up to like 2.30 in the morning. You know, I just listened to it straight through. I was like, holy shit, you know. I told my parents, I'm like, hey, there's aliens, you know?

And they're all like, they're like, excuse me. You know, my wife's like, yeah, I knew. You know, it's like, what? Yeah, she, hers. But I didn't do anything, right? It's kind of one of those things. And so I totally can see that where people can just kind of avoid this is you just don't want to, you just don't want to believe it. Your normal day doesn't change.

Your normal life doesn't change. A week's go by, months go by. Everything's the same, you know. You look up a little bit more. I'm like, no, you know, don't see any crazy balls or UFOs flying around. So then you just kind of, you know, maybe it's not real or something. Maybe I didn't just see those videos that I were blatantly obviously clear to me. like yeah and then it came out the 60 minutes just pushed over the top okay so that was it for you

yeah and then i was like you know i can't just keep i don't know imagine this isn't real or something it was just in my face and and so i made a video of those three and that actually that didn't go viral so my first video of UFOs didn't really go viral but somebody picked it up i think chris mellon or corbell if somebody and shared it uh because I was on McWest. So really, I had a buddy here. He's a,

he's a British guy, super smart, amazing server. And I was talking to about the UFO stuff. And he's like, oh, man, I heard that was all debunked.

I was like, what? You know, like, debunked. I just saw it last night, man, no, it's pretty legit.

And he's like, no, this guy, Mick West on there, you know, he's got all these videos. And yeah, he says it's debunked. He had a pretty convincing argument.

I was like, really convincing. Like, okay, I'm curious what he said, you know? I went home, I searched Mick West, and I was just like, just got madder and madder. I was like, angry and angrier.

As I see all these just video after video, because it's just so obvious to me, or probably any pilots that's seen it, especially like the gimbal, that one just looks so, and especially when it's turning, you know, because I, that really made a difference. The reason I made that whole argument about it turning is because if you just imagine you're sitting there, right? Like imagine you have a shotgun or something and you're going to shoot. You know, they do the pull thing. You know, they're like, pull, you know, and then you track along and you shoot, right? That's what's going on essentially with the gimbal, right? So essentially you're tracking it, right? As it's moving.

Does it make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if I'm tracking these, this gimbal object, which even maybe looks like one of those targets, right, one of the shotgun targets, if I'm tracking it, right, and it's turning like this. And I have to do this, this amount. It's called line of sight. We call line of sight in the fighter world, right? How much you're actually moving or the plane is moving across your canopy is called line of sight. So that's a rapid line of sight.

Okay. So rapid line of sight means I have to aim like this. I have to aim well out in front of it. So if it's like 50 miles away, man, that thing's going, you know, how fast could it be going? Like Mach 10, 20? Yeah. It just doesn't make sense. You know, if you're just think about it.

If you're a shotgun shell, so go out two miles. Now, if you're tracking something the same speed two miles, miles, right? I mean, it, so when I saw that initially, it was just so blatantly obvious to me that, and the go fast one is equally blatantly obvious, right? They keep saying it's this trash bag or something flying around at mid altitude. But for all of that to happen, right, that thing would literally have to be exactly at the parallax in between the flight. I mean, I don't know. I get so much negative comments. I'm going to have to go and finally just redo the go fast. But that one's equally obvious. So basically it's just like if you, if you're just like, if you're going to go. I mean, I don't know, I get so much. I get so much. You you walked out of your house, right, and you saw a literal, like the gimbal object, just flying along the street. I'm sorry, if you saw the gimbal object, just flying along the street and rotating and going down the street, right, and videoed it with your, with your iPhone, okay? That's, and then somebody, and then Mick West comes along, he's like, that's a duck. You know, that's basically what he's telling me. Because I've just stared at those things for so many years. Right. It's just, yeah, it's clear. It looks clear to

me. Yeah, I do want to ask you the Omaha video. I know you did a YouTube video about that one. And that one that Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp released was pretty interesting. And I know Mick West had a pretty quick answer. It's clearly some sort of balloon or or something like that. A lot of the skeptics said that. But what did you think of the Omaha video? What sort of did you walk away thinking about that one, this object that presumably went from air to water and is what we are now considering transmedium travel. I mean, yeah, what do you make of the whole Omaha video? Yeah, that one was also equally mind-blowing, you know? Yeah, his, I haven't even listened to his arguments on that. There is one, there's like a flashlight. He says there's like, if you put a light,

you know, behind a flashlight and then put it down, it goes, it goes. It goes. away, but you can clearly see there's water above the object. So I think it was amazing, especially at the beginning, right? That beginning part where it's tracking, you know, it just looks like that little ball like from Bork and Mindy. Yeah. And then it's just, it's tracking across the, it's moving across the ocean, right? Above.

It's flying like that. Just nothing moves like that, you know? We have nothing that can do that. I don't know. It's just so weird. The speed of it. What's even interesting, too, like Kevin Day, like, he mentioned that what really kind of queued him off on the tic-tacks was they're up at 28,000 feet, right?

But they're going 100 knots. And that's very interesting because at 100,000, sorry, at 28,000 feet, you have much, much less air. Okay? So an F-16, I couldn't go 100 knots at 28,000 feet. You know, I'd fall out of the sky because I just can't produce enough lift over the wings. There's just not enough air. We have tiny wings. right maybe the maybe like an f15 or an f18 can maybe go 100 knots at at 28,000 feet but they'd be in like

afterburner like this you know because there's just not enough air going over the wings so the fact that they were just even going at 20 a hundred knots at 28,000 feet is just so weird you know it's just stuff doesn't move like that so that that initial Omaha when it's moving across and you can see it's moving because it's tracking you can check the tracking um basically off the angles that the camera's moving, right? So we know the camera's moving. So I noticed Mick West didn't make any, he didn't make any videos about that first part of the video, right?

He didn't make any video. And this is kind of what he, what his MO is, right? He'll pick one spot where he can like really dial in and make some argument, but then he ignores the other part of the video, right? Because his argument on this thing just going down and being a light, that doesn't work for the first part of the video, right? So the first part of the video, so how do you describe the, this light that tracks across, that tracks across like that, how fast is it going, right?

Because now you get into this, the same issue I brought up with the gimbal, right? Because now if I'm tracking something, right? And it goes, you know, if it goes an inch, right? But it's 100 miles away, that it's going really fast, right? But if it's very gross. So he gets into issues where he gets in these tracking issues. So that's why I released this last video or two video, how to get a better UAP UFO video. Yeah. Yeah. Would you mind maybe diving into that a little bit? I love that. Like it's a 101 on how to, because I can't tell you, man, how many videos I get sent on weekly basis or photos. And I'm like, oh, I wish you'd like zoomed out. So we had some scale of, you know, how high up it was, how big it might have been. And look, I get it. I've, I've, I've been studying UFOs my whole life basically since I was 13. And I've taken some videos and they're horrible. So even I am like in the.

moment being like, I got to zoom in as much as I can. Try to get the detail of this thing. But yeah, what was the video? What would you suggest people do to take like a proper UFO video? Yeah. I mean, one of the things is just make it longer. You know, make it as long as more context. Don't edit, you know, don't break it.

You know, if you can put your face in there too, great, you know? Because I look at these videos online. You know, I'm on strange activities. He has awesome videos or whoever it is. a great YouTube channel and the awesome UFO videos, but they're like a minute or too long. There's no context. There's no location.

Or maybe sometimes there's location. So I released that Nigel. Nigel Benton, he was a subscriber. He wrote me and was like, hey, Chris, I have this, you know, I have a video actually from 2006. What should I do with it? And I was like posted to YouTube. I think that's the best way to do it because there's no storage issues, right?

I think maybe they're short because two minutes is, video files are really big or something. So maybe they don't want to get, it's hard to move those around, but you can just upload it right to YouTube. I think this is, I think people are really missing the boat on this. I think this is really important, actually.

I don't think they realize how much, how much data, we could break this thing wide open, really wide open. All we need is just one event, just one. We get like 30 different camera angles and boom, it's over. You know, I mean, what are they going to say? Like, okay, yeah, that video is fake. what about that one and that one and that one and that one and that one and that one and everybody's selfie in themselves yay you know like I'm here we'll go talk to him you know and so but really I think

longer more context and then you kind of mentioned it a timestamp okay so it's some way to timestamp it and from like you know whatever POW training or whatever anything you can get into the like if I film this right 1641 you know right then right that it's yeah I'm stamped with the and that's hard to CGI, right? Or film a newspaper, you know, like the... Yeah, yeah. So getting context into the video, I think, is important. The length is important.

And then if we can get the time and the general location, and you mentioned it, like getting landmarks. You know, so if you can get like a landmark in there that anchors it to the ground, there we go out of the flying world. So if you can get a landmark in the video and a timestamp and make it like that. long with context, man, we get, we get 30 of those from the same event. And I guarantee we will bust this wide open, like seriously. Like, no, I don't think people understand this.

And it was my lowest performing video. I was very surprised. I was like, wow, I guess people don't get it. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think, you know, I think what's frustrating, Chris, is with these videos that we've been debating for the past few years now, TikTok go fast gimbal,

is because they are so short. And because some of the. Navy personnel, I've even said, I saw a much clearer, much longer version of that video. And that's, I think, where the issue lies with someone like McWest and you having different thoughts on this. Of course, you both have very viable, you know, observations about it, but we don't have the full picture. We don't have the full data. And we don't even know if the Navy did, if how many sensors picked up. I mean, I, Gary Vorhees, one of the gentlemen that was on, I believe the Princeton, has said, it's so frustrating.

We're seeing this one video shot by Chad Underwood of the Tic Tac. He's like, I know there were other, there had to be other eyes on that, other videos, this, that, this, that. So I think that's where the true frustration lies is we don't have the full context. We can't really truly understand what we're looking at or dealing with because we don't know. we don't have the full video. We don't see it taking off or, you know, the most we get it with the gimbal is it rotating and then the video cut short or the tick-tac shoots off video cut short. Yeah, but what happened after that?

That's what's most frustrating. And the other big problem is the single source. Yeah. You know, single source. I was thinking of like a good analogy, you know, and I was thinking of Gallagher. Remember Gallagher that giant? Oh my gosh, yeah. Yeah.

And I even make it funny or make it like McWest, you know? He's like giant. So imagine that like one rope over his leg, you know, McWest Gallagher is like laying down one rope over his like arm, you know, that's like one video, right? Yeah. That's just not enough. It's not enough, you know, because one video can be faked.

It can be, you know, it can be CGIed or deep faked, whatever they're talking about. So I imagine like 30 ropes going over, you know, this imaginary McWest, just the argument, right? So yeah, he can, you know, make up something to be like, think, you know, oh, that was easy. You know, it's a glare, right? Even though you show a million different ways it can't be glare. He's like, nah, but now you get 30 ropes over, man, he can't move. Yeah. And that is maybe from science, maybe anyone with the scientific background knows it's about evidence. You need data. And data is in mass. We need more data and we need it accurate. And that's really what we don't have right now in length of time. So length of video

gives you more data, you know, more videos, more people gives you more data. When you get context in the video where you are, what data is, what time, if you can move around. Okay, like, so there's a CIA handbook or Martin Holman, he found it. Step one in the CIA book to take a picture of a UFO. It's just pictures. They said to focus to infinity. So, yeah, to Focus to infinity. And we did that with our night vision goggles. We would focus to infinity. So you can just focus on a star, actually. And that would get you to infinity. When we cheated, right, if I forgot or something got knocked around or my focus was slightly out, I would just tune it onto a star. Okay. So that's infinity. So I guess everything else being equal,

just tune to a star if you can and then lock your focus and then point it at the UFO, you know. all that stuff would take training. And then the final thing it says was if it's close to you, then you should move to take different angles. So it says 40 to 60 feet is enough. But if it's further away like a mile or more, they said, then it doesn't really help you to move those little short distances. The best thing is to get in your car and drive half a mile or more

and then start filming or photographing again. Yeah, and then upload it straight to YouTube, man. upload it straight. You know, there's nothing in between me or this maybe there is an algorithm, right? But if everybody uploads at the same time now, what are you going to do? It's tough to keep that information right now, all of its, it's open source. So I think this really would bust it open. And you look at these events where these UFOs are just sitting there, right? They'll be like, it was there five, ten minutes. I'm like five, ten minutes, you know, like, I don't know. Where's the video of that? Yeah, I'm ready. I think you just need to be ready.

It's just like anything else. Yeah, you know, you've got to be ready for the Heimlich, right? You've always got to be ready to Heimlich somebody. I think that's just a natural, natural thing. And you've got to be ready to take a UFO picture. I love that comparison. Always be prepared. Yep, if the Boy Scouts stop me, anything.

Well, I guess going back a little bit with the Tick-Tac, I'd love to ask you two specific questions. We heard with Chad Underwood, the pilot who filmed the Tick-Tac, that there was, jamming of radar during that event. So as in Air Force pilot, I love to get your perspective on that idea of what would it take for something to be able to jam your radar on your aircraft? I mean, if that's true, that's extremely troubling that it's able to do that.

Or is that more common than I naively think that something else would be able to jam your your instruments on your own aircraft. Yeah. How much power did the Tick-Tac have? This is my question. Yeah. How much technology? I mean, so at that time, well, 2007, I became an aggressor.

So it actually was my specialty, actually, was analyzing foreign adversary electronic attack systems. So that was in 2007. It was the best, my almost, I, maybe. I didn't say my favorite job in the Air Force, but I guess the one I identify with the most. You know, if they were going to say, what do you think you are? I'd say I'm an aggressor. You know, I trained our, I analyzed the enemy, I analyzed their systems, and then we replicated the enemy to train our blue forces. Right.

So the better your enemy is in training, the better you're going to be in real combat. So, yeah, I really enjoyed it, and I threw myself into it. I loved all the beeps and squeaks. I love all the nerdiness of it. Went into NASIC. It was the biggest building I've ever seen with no windows. Went to CIA, traveled all around, went to this cool air show in Dubai. So did a lot of amazing stuff.

And at that time, there was nothing that can jam out the side. In 2007, wow. Yeah. Yeah, that I knew about, right? Yeah, because just the technology you had is the little Raydome technology. You know, so we didn't have aces at that point, at least not on our enemy jammers that I knew about. And so normally you would point it where the fighter is going to go, right? Fighters, at least up until that I've known about it, is we fight with our noses, right?

You always want to fight your enemy this way. That's where all your weapons are pointing or your systems or your sensors, right? And then if you're not actively fighting, you better be pointing the other way, right? So you're preserving your range between you and them. So you want to fight with your nose And you want to fight when you're running away too So your jammers Always go forward and aft

Is really from your fighters All of our jammers go forward and aft You know we don't have any out the side jammers I could be mistaken on that point You know maybe we had maybe France had some or something So I would say it's weird Could it be done I mean that aspect of it could have been done

Right I know enough about electronic attack, you know, you just look online and there's certain frequencies that they're in, right? So you can just get a noise jammer, you know, at Radio Shack. I don't know if you can buy it a radar shack, but actually you just get a very loud jammer in that and you just dial it to that frequency. You can buy them off the shelf. I can't imagine to be that expensive, a few thousand dollars. And then slap it onto an aircraft somehow, provide cooling. And now you could you could have a jammer. And that would provide noise jamming.

But that's dumb jamming, right? So what they saw, what he said they saw was they saw deception jamming, you know, or I don't really know how their radar exactly works. Okay, but noise jamming is just like dumb jamming, right? If I just like, you know, while we're talking, it's going to jam that, right? Right. It will interfere, right? It just raises the threshold.

So you can't hear what's actually going on. The radar is the same. But deception jamming now is like it comes in and puts words in that I'm not saying. like I'm talking, you know, so that's, that's like deception jamming, you know, it cancels out stuff, it moves stuff in front of other things, it says this is going faster than it is. So yeah, there's different techniques. So it does depend on what they were seeing. I don't know.

My own assessment is it doesn't look like they were jamming, but it seems like, but definitely the radar energy, what I know for sure, what I believe I can show for sure is that it is. is showing that it's it's bouncing the energy back. So there is something there, right? And that's why maybe McWest hasn't been able to say it's just a glare on the on the targeting pod. Because if the energy is going out and coming back, now we know it's bouncing off something, right? Something solid. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's how you know. So basically just it counts, right? The radar knows is traveling at the speed of light. So it just counts. Okay, that's how far away it is, right? So there's techniques, right, where it gets there and the jammer catches it and delays it and then sends it back louder or something, you know? And so or, yeah, there's more complicated where it can foresee, right?

It guesses when the next pulse is going to come from the target radar and the jammer puts a track in front of it. So it makes it look like it's closer. So there's these ways and it's always going right now. There's people all over the world figuring out how to do better jamming, how to do better accounting, how to do better accounting. counter-counter-counter-counter-counter-counter-jaming. So it's ridiculous. But at that point, I know I would be comfortable saying that for sure something's bouncing back. So it's reflecting radar energy.

But I believe the radar pulse has been changed. So somehow it's been affected, right? Because the radar, the target radars, they put a little code when they send out their radar. So they put out a pulse and it's coded. So when that comes back, they read the code. And so they know, right, because then they can try and get around all these other tactics, right? It's a counter-counter measure. So it's coded.

And when it came back, to me, it tells me that they couldn't get a range on it, right? You notice it says there was no range. Degraded, it was like 99.9.9 means range is denied. So basically that pulse is coming back, but it's been changed. So that code is not the same. And so that is tripping the anti-jam or the whatever processing is in the radar. to say, hey, this is not what I sent out. I don't trust this information, so I'm not going to display it.

Man. Well, and then that's even more troubling to think that whatever it was was able to get to their cap point and know where that was. Again, it's just so troubling to think that whatever it was, that it was seemingly playing a game with the pilots, you know, it wasn't shooting at them. It wasn't doing anything like that. but my God, the fact that it's messing with them this much,

it knows where the cap point is. I mean, how does something do that if it's not doing what you said, able to change certain things of the radar or know where the cap point is? How much knowledge does this object have of what these pilots are doing? It's, I don't know. It's too much for me to wrap my head around. Yeah. What's up, guys?

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savings now at Whole Foods Market. I guess so the radar, so I mean my own this is total speculation is whatever propulsion system they're using or whatever these things are using, it is it reflects radar, but it also affects the beams

of it. Somehow it's not bouncing off like a wall, you know? Okay. But it's not like stealth either, right? Stealth absorbs it or doesn't reflect it ultimately. You know, that's what you're doing with stealth is not being reflected, right? You're being as you're invisible to radar because it doesn't reflect the radar energy back. So ultimately the radar never gets that pulse, right?

It just sends out a pulse. It's like nothing, you know, because it's not bouncing back. So what it tells me is these things are not stealth, which is interesting. Because if they were stealth, then our radar would just go around it. Right. Like our radar technology, our stealth. So in that way. it's not stealth, it's reflecting energy, reflecting radar energy, but it's, I believe it's,

by its nature, it's changing it. It doesn't mean it's doing on, I can't, I'm not comfortable saying it's doing on a purpose. I guess, is that what I'm saying? Yeah. And the same thing, I guess, for the cap point as well, because I think they, it would have to have prior knowledge, but it would have prior knowledge of where the fighters were in the previous days. Because I looked at the cap point, cap points you pick because they're easy. especially if it's just a basic training mission. You know, you're not out there missionizing this to say like, okay, we're going to plan this detailed mission.

I don't know if that's what happening, but my impression is it was just them going out there one v.1, you know, practicing basic intercepts was my impression. So I think they're just picking what's out of the book. You know, you just look in the book because that cap point, it's just like, it's like north 30 and west 120 or something. I don't remember the exact number. whole numbers, right?

And the only, it's only a whole number because it's easy for us to just pick and put it into a book and say it is. So chances are they were using this every day. You know, they probably use it for, they may be using it for years because that's, those are standard air spaces. You know, if they were out flying around, or not flying, I guess, sailing around out in the blue ocean now, and they picked a cap point out there randomly, you know, attached to their carrier, which it's always secret where the carrier is, right?

Then I would be like, man, that's weird. That is weird because Blue Ocean, they picked this random cat point and it still went there. So is it, does it have precognition or something? Right. Yeah. But in this case, these are standard training areas. These are your whiskey training areas, your standard training areas. And that cap point, I bet everybody uses that cat point.

I'm happy you clarify that because, and again, I know a lot of this is speculation. and educated opinion. But that's good to know because a lot of people are like, oh, it's us from the future and they knew where the cap point was. And they're going to go mess of these pilots. And you start getting these huge, grandiose theories that we get in the UFO world of the intentions of these UAP. When in reality, like you said, like it's,

when you're able to ground it a little more, it almost makes the experience more fantastic, because it still is defying a lot of it. So I don't know. That's my personal opinion. Well, it's still very strange. I mean, I've always said it's weird. But to me, it kind of means that they were,

they were seeing other aircraft go to that point and like orbit around. You know, because at a cap point, you're waiting, you're doing your fuel checks, you're waiting for the fight to start. You know, you're waiting for the red air to fly over there. You know, it's like a whole, it's just a holding point. Well, a cap point denotes like, combat, but we call it a cap point kind of the hold. Anyway, so yeah, it's just a normal holding.

So you're going to see planes, you know, I could look at this aerospace, look at the basic, um, uh, the shape of it and be like, yeah, I would set up a catpoint here and I'd set up a catpoint here, right? I mean, it's got it. But they did have to know that. It's still weird. It is weird. Well, all right.

Now here's, here's one that, um, a lot of people have thrown out there. love to get your thoughts on this in terms of the TikTok event. People have said that, you know, unmarked clothing, people came on the carriers, took the radar bricks and were out of there. Some claimed they could have been Air Force. And then even more incredible, some claim that this was all some sort of training that the Air Force was actually doing on the Navy. So I got to get your opinion, Chris.

Would that ever happen in a training exercise? would the Air Force ever do something like this with Navy pilots and risking lives and all of that? I have to get your opinion on that. I mean, definitely not. Definitely not. Okay. I mean, no. It just sounds ridiculous to me.

Yeah. I mean, I guess even if you say, why for so many days? Yeah. You know? Like, why do you need that much data? Like if you're really setting up this secret, you know, I don't know what test to try and test our systems against our systems somehow. Why not just test it for like 10 minutes and be like, okay, they saw it. And then that's it.

You know, why is it over this period of days? You know, that doesn't make sense to me in any way. Well, would it ever occur where Air Force pilots would do training with Navy pilots or is that kind of? Yeah, all the time. I mean, we train with the Navy as much as possible, you know. The whole point is to go joint. That's the whole, when I was leaving the Air Force, that was the huge push. It was just, you know, joint combat ops working together.

It's always the same thing, you know, but it's very difficult. They still don't, we still don't call each other. You know, we don't even call each other across fighter squadrons, you know. Everybody still try, like each fighter squadron, like I mentioned is like a, is like a sports team, you know. Right. You kind of hate all the other sports team, you know, so it's just how it works. So we do. We work together.

But the Navy is usually out doing their thing and we're out doing our thing and the training requirements are very difficult. You know, just to be able to get to that combat. You know, I guess my first mission in combat, it sounds like it was very flippant. And it was. That was surprising to me, actually, very surprising. But you're missing the two, three plus years of 70-hour. weeks in a row, you know, just training super hard. And normally it's, it's very, you know, very well planned out, especially in training. You just can't have, if you have an accident,

man, your program shut down, you know. Yeah. A lot is on the line. I get, I totally get it. Yeah. If you have an accident in training, I mean, it's, and it was like something non-standard like that, man, I mean, I could see somebody that going to jail or something. So I, yeah. It just it doesn't seem at all like our systems At least how we would employ them You know how the how if I or I wasn't the Air Force You know if I was actually trying to test a system But I don't want everyone to know about it

I wouldn't have these things flying around in front of thousands of people It just doesn't right It's just ridiculous A ton of unwitting witnesses now to it I get it I get it It defies any sort of logic I can think though too Awesome. Well, I've got a bunch of listener questions, Chris. I can fire through those. But one last personal question. This Defense Authorization Act,

2022, we're getting a permanent office to look at UFOs. I know you did a video like right when this thing kind of broke, the story broke. And you were just as excited as we were about this. So what do you make of this? Do you think this is, are we heading in a good door? direction. What did you find most compelling about this, this new permanent office we're going to get looking at UFOs? I mean, I think it's a huge step forward. You know, just how excited Lou is. I was excited for him. And again, I'm so new. I don't really know, you know, how big a deal this is. But it seems like they're going to take it seriously and they're going to dedicate money. I was reading it again. I think it has $23 million is what I could tell is what they're, I don't understand actually how they denote the money, but $23 million for a program,

it's not a huge amount. You know, I think it's actually a pretty small amount. But that's a reasonable amount. You know what's funny about that? 23 million. That's $1 million more than ATIP, the Pentagon program. That's funny. They gave them a little bit of a book.

It's less, though. I mean, you look at inflation, right? It's quite a bit less. Good point. Yeah. So I don't know. I hope they get more than that. But I thought it was awesome, man.

I thought it was awesome. Yeah. They can still pick you away. Right, right. That's a good point. You know, this isn't for certain yet. I'm trying to keep that in mind before we all get the card ahead of the horse. But the one thing that stood out to me, I'd love to get your thoughts on this.

Let's see. Annual Report would be required to provide an update on any efforts underway on the ability to capture or exploit, discovered aerial phenomena. But also this part, assess. assessment of any health-related effects for individuals that have encountered UAP. I mean, that's something we don't talk about that often of the physiological effects of some of these incidents too. So the fact that they're even willing to look at that, I think is pretty stunning, to be completely honest. Yeah, I agree completely. And I think it is, it shows that they're serious about it.

You know, they must have gotten, they must have gotten veterans coming out and talking to this congressman and telling them, look, man, I'm messed up or whatever it is. You know, there are health effects. You can get enough people saying that. I mean, that's what governments are supposed to do, right? They're supposed to take care of the people. I think that's what they were.

They were originally, they tell us that's why they're there, to take care of the people. So I appreciate that. Yeah, for sure. And I think that should be the focus, right? I mean, that should be the focus is, I mean, we've let all these people think they're crazy for so many years, you know? I mean, there's enough evidence. Maybe we can listen to these people and start helping them.

You know, it's like they have this traumatic. I consider a traumatic event, you know. And then as soon as they tell anybody, you know, we just like beat them down, you know, like take that crazy person. You look at Kevin Day. the chief radar operator and he said this stuff ruined his life. Like he didn't want to be a part of this. He don't want to like be known as the Tick-Tac UFO. Like he basically ushered in the whole event.

He was the first to track him on radar and say, I think we should send a jet up there, a couple jets. And his life has never been the same. So no, you're right, man. Like not just in the civilian world. There's been cases where people have said like they've gotten radiation sickness from being in contact with whatever the UFO was. but also our pilots and our commercial pilots.

Like it's going to take one of these UFO events for like a pilot to make a snap decision that might not go favorably. And hundreds of people might die from it. So I think you're right. It's it's good to see that they're taking it more serious. There's always going to be that potential threat aspect, as you would expect from the military and the government. Because like you said, it is their job to hopefully protect their nation. and these things seem to be potential threats because we don't know what they are.

And neither do you guys up there as trained observers. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think they, and I'm sure that's what they're doing. You know, everyone does take the job very seriously that I knew in the Air Force. It was nice. People are, they're very dedicated.

They believe in the mission. So I think they are trying hard, but they only have their one perspective, right? Their one viewpoint. Yeah. And your military is not known for being this open-minded kind of community, right? So, yeah, I think they're trying their best maybe to change their minds, trying to listen to all the evidence.

But, you know, it has been 70 years. And we have had a program before, like we had Blue Book. And nothing happened, right? We ended up with the same thing. You know, we had the same evidence we had in 1952. You know, we had radar evidence of them going hypersomely. speeds. We had

basically we had eyewitness accounts. We had photos, you know. So our amount of evidence or data on these things or knowledge hasn't really changed since 1950. And there were quite a few government programs on the way. So I don't think we should be relying on the government to like come in and actually tell us what they know.

Good point. I don't believe that. I just. Yeah. I mean, what is it? What are they saying in stocks? You know, like past performance. not indicative of future results.

And I'm like, well, what else are you going to look at? That's always the funniest thing to me. Like, yeah, don't buy the stock. You know, like, don't buy Coca-Cola. You know, past performance is not an indicator of future results. And I'm like, really? Like they say this, man. These people are so full of shit, you know.

And people are a lot, man. They don't realize it. But most of the time, I think they just, they don't really think about what they're saying or thinking. So I don't know, man. Yeah, welcome to the social media world we live in. Somebody tweets, passion tweets I've regretted and videos I put out. But all right, Chris, let me fire through these for you, man.

I know we have limited time and I don't want to keep you too long. Luis from the Unidentified Celebrity Review and show you frequented lately, which is awesome. He wants to know, do you ever wish you'd seen a UAP and would you have reported it like Fraver and Underwood did? Uh, I'm now, yeah, for sure. I wish I saw it. You know, I never thought I'd had an opportunity before. Um, if do what would I have reported it? I don't know. You know, I think it depends on the circumstances. Yeah, that's a good point. Yep. I don't know. And a lot has changed. Like you said, now they have to. At least the Navy. I'm not sure what the protocol is in the Air Force now. I know they're, oh, that's another thing. They're kind of, it seems like they're kind of a few steps behind the Navy. when it's coming to all this, their willingness to come forward with their data and how they're going to use protocol to report these things. It is interesting because we all think the cover-up truly started with the Air Force back when Roswell happened, when the Air Force first became a thing. And now they're kind of the ones who were super quiet about all this in the past few years.

Does make you wonder. It does. Yeah. It does, you know, because you don't hear anything from the Air Force. They were the last ones to sign. You know, they basically started their investigation the last possible day, you know, for the task force. They haven't come very clean, man. I don't know. I'm not very confident in the Air Force right now. Sorry. Yep.

Hey, put their feet to the fire, Chris. We need you. We need you fight in that fight. All right. Bland underscore meatballs on Twitter. Well, that's quite a handle. Not a question about UFOs, but what is your most memorable flight in the F-16?

Anything you're willing to share in terms of that? I guess the first sortie in combat. I won't forget that one. All the missions in Iraq, I just had some ridiculous missions. Yeah, anyway. You don't have to get to it. Yeah, no one didn't kill anybody.

I didn't have anyone die. I've actually had a very, I guess, lucky kind of career. You know, I've had friends die for sure, but I wasn't there. So, you know, I haven't seen firsthand any traumatic events. You know, I wasn't kind of one of the few fighter pilots these days that hasn't killed anyone. I was there, you know. Yeah. Just kind of luck.

And then I didn't volunteer to go back. I didn't make an effort to go back and fight in those wars that I just didn't think there wasn't a reason. Yeah. that's that's very commendable for sure yeah i guess i'll just mention i'll just mention it quickly because i because he did ask a question yeah you you you uh pee in these pittal packs you know have you ever heard of a pittle pack i have not please no educate you fly in combat especially when you cross the oceans normally our missions are just like an hour and a half but when you fly long missions across the ocean in combat you know your missions are like five or six hours and you you want to

stay hydrated right because as soon as you're less than three percent if you're three percent dehydrated, it lowers your performance and lowers your G tolerance. You know, you don't need G tolerance in Iraq anyway. But you want to stay hydrated, right? Which means you're going to have to pee, essentially, right? And up until that point, my technique was just don't pee, right? So I just don't pee. It is very, it's difficult, man. You got like this plastic bag. It's called a pittle pack. You unroll it and there's like this sand in there, you know, and then you got to undo all this equipment, all these straps. It's actually dangerous.

When I was in Turkey, a pilot died pissing, actually. Because you have to move the seat. And if you unbuckle from the ejection seat now, basically he was moving the seat, which you're not supposed to do. And it like jammed the stick and he ended up dying, right? Because you can't eject then because you're unstrapped. Right. And a 8-10 pilot did that as well.

So it's actually even dangerous, but you have to do it. And actually the pilots, we don't really talk about it much. You know, like you don't talk about how you, how you pee back with your friends normally. Right. And we don't think of those things as a civilian. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, that never would have dawned on me.

But yeah, please. Yeah, it's difficult. So this day, my buddy, Stivo, I'm trying to get him to, I think he'll work with me on this satellite project. But Steve, he's telling me in the morning we were working out, you know, I had a night mission. And he's like, man, you know, I've been drinking. water, I'm drinking like three liters a day. I just feel fantastic, you know. And when you're in Iraq, you can't drink, you know, there's no money. So everybody's just working out all the time. I read, I read a bunch of books and in your free time, there's not much to do, really. So I was like,

sounds great, man. I just read in a fitness magazine, like, you should drink tons of water. And I was like, today, you know, I'm drinking water. So I drank like a, it was like two liters before I even got into the squadron, you know, and I showed up at the squadron. And up on the wall, there was, in a plastic bag was the seat cushion, right? There was a seat cushion and it was yellowed in the middle, you know, and in black Sharpie on it was written, uh, uh,

the next pilot to pee on, uh, on the seat, uh, is grounded. And I was like, holy shit, I immediately had to pee.

You know, I was like, no, you know, immediately. So I run in there, piss as much as I can, you know,

but I drink a lot of water, a lot of water. Um, so I tried to, I peed again before we, when we went out there, I pee down the ground, okay? It's a lot easier to pee when you're waiting on the ground than it is while you're flying. So I got in the air.

It didn't help, right? So we go, the mission of Special Forces, they're raiding a house. They're looking for some high value target, some guy in there. So we show up and I check in with the guys, you know, I'm leading the mission. And they're like miles away, you know? And I was like, okay. They're like starting the mission, you know? And then they just start walking, like super slow.

I don't know, like air fighting is just so much faster than ground fighting, you know, you just get that. They're like, wait, you're walking there? You're going to walk there. So anyway, I had time. So I was like, okay, I'll refuel. So when they get to the house, I'll have all my fuel. I won't have to worry about refueling, you know, because you can only fly for about 45 minutes before you need to go refuel. And I'm like, man, these guys are going to take them 45 minutes to get there.

So I'm going to the tanker. And I'm like, okay, I have plenty of time. Now I can, I can piss. You know, I can take care of everything, get it done. And it's dark, pitch black. I set up the autopilot and I have to turn on the lights, right? So I can't see outside. It's totally dark.

I get the pittle pack already, unstripe everything. I get everything ready, you know, and I'm, so I'm peeing. You know, it's okay, everything's going fine. It's working. Okay, everything's going fine. But then I drink so much water, right, that it just starts like getting to the top of the pittle pack. And I'm just like, oh, no, the brain. You know, like this image of this seat cushion.

you know, bolted to the wall. I was just like, no. So I'm just really concentrating, you know, and I'm like, you know, what do you do? Like, I don't even know what to do because I, they must have some limit, you know. Yeah. I found out later, I think it's like 500 milliliters. They must, they must know like the normal bladder size, you know, but it was still just getting closer and closer. But what I hadn't realized, right, as I'm just concentrating so hard, is the aircraft, the F-16 does not have automatic throttles, right?

The F-18, I learned that they have auto-throttles, which would be awesome. So it doesn't control your thrust. It controls your altitude. So while I had been slowing, right, I didn't realize my throttle was slightly low while I was peeing. And I didn't notice it, but like the plane was just getting slower and slower and slower, okay? But I can't tell it's totally dark outside. So what happens when a plane gets too slow, it stalls, right? So this thing just stops, right?

Yeah. And the indication I get in there is like all the emergency lights come on. You know, it's like, warning, warning, you know, like everything goes, like the jet's about to explode or something. And so what did I do? You know, I do, we're slow. I need to go faster. I just slam the throttle to military power, you know? And I'm just holding this giant bag of piss on my, you know, right in front of me.

And so if you can imagine what happens when you throw the throttle in a fighter, right? It just like, I just pour this bag of, so I basically peeled up a whole bag of piss and then just like poured it on myself. Wow. That was amazing. And you know, you guys are trained to make split decisions and you did what you had to do, man. That's crazy. That is a hell of a memorable experience. And I'm sure that that listener was not expecting that story.

Yeah, there you go. But we finished the mission. I was able to dry it off that you get these crazy thoughts too. Like, I can dry it off, you know? Like nobody would notice. Like maybe it was all water. It was all water. Right.

So it'll be dry. and everything will be fine. So I like set up this map. This, you know, I'd like superheated engine all, super or heated air off the engine, direct. And I was diverting it with this map I had made up and it was going to dry it, you know, but whatever. Self preservation. Special forces guys are down there. You know, I can just imagine what they're thinking.

I didn't tell me to me. What is he doing up there? We did the mission. They got him. A helicopter flew in. It captured the guy. No one was hurt. Yeah, no one was hurt.

Awesome, man. Yeah, came back and landed. I just told the creature, I was like, dude, it's Pete on the sea. He's like, okay, that's fine. I was like, I'm taking it with me, you know. Yep. That is definitely a permanent souvenir in memory. I love it.

That's in the book, too, I guess. Oh, is okay, good. Yeah. Good. We're going to get more details, just what I want. More to the Piddle story. So you came out with a video research. And Rick H on Facebook wants to know.

Chris's crazy-ass theory on UAPs. Let's see what he says here. He wants to know if you've ever seen the documentary, Inner Worlds, Outer Worlds. A lot of your theory is in there, and I think he'd be shocked at how on the money he is. So that might be something you want. What is it?

Inner World? Inner Worlds Outer Worlds. Cool. What was that video about? I haven't had a chance to really look at that. Was that your dark matter one? Or was that a separate video? Yeah, I changed the name actually.

Yeah, I don't know. I just wanted to make it more simple. It's easy to change the name of YouTube videos, as you know, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. So I changed it to dark matter is life just to like say what the overall argument is. So people don't get confused. But yeah, it's basically, I think, why I actually started writing books back in 2015. You know, I watched these YouTubers, Brandon Carter.

He's this workout guy. I haven't watched him in several years, you know, so I don't know what he's posting, but just motivated me so much just to do what you need to do, to do it, you know, I think that's the main thing in life. He's just go and do it,

you know? Yeah. Like it's he, yeah, like you went and you started making video or, you know, you went and you wrote that book and you just went around and started asking people questions,

man, you do it like, it's crazy. The actions, the actions, they bring momentum with them. You know, once you could,

it's like, once you can get momentum, It's like you have inertia. But if you never, if you never just go and do it, like nothing ever happens, you know? Yeah, you know, it's funny too.

My, my girlfriend always brings this up. There's a meme out there of like, um, a girl telling her friends like, oh yeah, my boyfriend has a podcast. And it's like,

yeah, because every girlfriend's boyfriend has a podcast these days. And, um, when I first said like, I'm going to start a podcast. You know, she was kind of like,

oh, cool. Yeah. Like do it. I'm sure you'll get bored of it after 10 episodes. And lo and behold, I think this is going to be episode 240 something, Chris. And like you said, when you put your mind to it and put it into action, these things actually can become something. And you can actually make a difference to the conversations being had.

And now she's like my biggest supporter. She's my main researcher. She's helping me edit episodes. And I think, yeah, if you're passionate, about it, like, you can make it happen. And I'm so happy that you've decided to take on this very controversial topic. Because it's not easy, man. I can't imagine what some of your flight buddies must think or, you know, friends or family.

Yeah. What do they think? Do they think you're the crazy UFO guy now? I got to ask. I don't know. I haven't asked any of my pilot friends. The ones I've talked to, they seem supportive. I asked one guy for MVG.

He gave me a picture of the NBA. that we use. You know, there's no triangle aperture, by the way. There's no aperture in our MBGs. It's just, it doesn't work that way. So, yeah, so that was one of the Omaha videos I did, actually. You know the triangle one? The pyramid video with Jeremy Corbell. Yep. So yeah, I've done a few on the Omaha. But I asked him, hey, can you help me with this? And he was happy to help. So I think now it's getting in the news, getting more mainstream.

I think, yeah, I do need to ask them. I keep getting. comments like, hey, have you asked in your pilot buddies, but I can't get on Facebook for some reason? I don't know. Whatever. Yeah. They'll come to you if they have a story to share, I'm sure. But everyone's been supportive. I want to say, I didn't want to, you know, I didn't go out to join the UFO community or any UAP community, but everyone's been very supportive and helpful, you know, so. Yeah. It's a fun bunch. Yeah. I'm glad they let me, you know, they accept me, I guess. We let you into the freak show.

Yeah. No, it's a very, I love it. Let's say it right in. I mean, yeah. I think so, man. It's fun. And like, you know, there's days I wish I wasn't in it.

But it always pulls me back. And again, I think it's that burning curiosity to know what more is out there that, you know, keeps a lot of us going. And it's becoming more real than it's ever been before. So I think that's exciting. Oh, here's one. Andre, on Facebook asks, what is your take on the awkward behavior on the part of the diehard debunkers?

Now that the government and mainstream scientists are taking it serious, it seems like they're kind of stepping over their own words and kind of losing their minds over this. Now you have people like Avi Loeb starting the Galileo project, which is awesome. Or you have Neil deGrasse Tyson, who's actually super skeptical of a lot of this. And now kind of opening up a little bit. a little bit. He's getting there. We'll get him yet. But also, I think it's very important. The skeptics are essential to this topic, to this discourse. But yeah, what do you think with the debunkers out there? What agenda do you think they have in all this? I mean, I'm sure it's personal

I kind of changed after Avilob. You know, so basically, I made the, or Thunderfoot. So Thunderfoot, he has a million subscribers. I called him out in my first, like, most popular video, you know, when I was fired up. And yes, I actually took out a lot of stuff from that video, but I left in some stuff, negative comments about these guys, which I still agree with. You know, I still think that they're just wrong. They have no idea what they're talking about. They are correct on certain points.

You know, yeah, I was wrong. I said focal length. I went back and looked like what actually is focal length, you know, and the way they define focal length. Okay. So I'm not talking about focal length. I'm talking about focal distance, but I say focal length in that, you know, because I'm not but an optical expert.

But I've used these pods for long enough. I know that you can't just focus it there and then focus it. You don't have it in focus to infinity. Yeah. So I mean, if something's further away, it changes focus. And then when something's closer, it changes focus to move to move the depth of field, you know, your depth of field changes, et cetera. So I guess me trying to explain the optics from just using it.

Anyway, kind of backfired. But after that, so I was. I was fired up, you know, and I was like, man, you know, now I have to get in this other debate with this other dude. And he, but he has a million subscribers. I don't know. Maybe I can change some of their minds. Yeah. But then I met with Abby Loeb and I did my interview with Abby Loeb.

And he just kind of recage me. And basically, his point was, you know, I don't care. I'm not doing this to see, to get more likes. You know, I don't care how many more likes I got. And he, he shot up a pretty square shotgun shot right at Neil deGrasse Tyson, right? Because I mentioned, hey, Neil deGrasse Tyson hasn't really come around to this. And Avi Loeb said directly, hey, that guy cares about likes more than he does about the truth. Like, wow, that was kind of a shock.

I mean, he's a media personality. It's for anyone who takes what Neil deGrasse Tyson says as religion, I'm like, he's a TV guy. Like, he's a personality. He doesn't, he's not out there raising money to try to look for techno signatures on other planets. It's like someone like, yeah, like, Bobby Lowe is doing. So, yeah, yeah,

I'm glad to hear him kind of put him in his place when it comes to that. And I always liked, you know, the grass ties, you know, I've watched for, you know, several years.

I listened to his podcast, you know, before he was famous, you know, I was listening to him. I don't know. So, I mean,

I hope he comes around. I really do. I hope he comes around. Yeah. And coming around, I mean, that's such a, you know,

what does that even mean? I kind of always go back to that because it's not like we're trying to, to prove to anyone in the UFO. As a UFO researcher, I'm not here to prove aliens are piloting these UFOs. That's not my job. I'm trying to find every conventional explanation as a skeptic would before we're left with that, truly unknown.

And maybe it could be aliens. So I think it's important to keep that in mind when going down this rabbit hole of, what do I really want out of this? And what does it mean to me? And how do you present that to the public? You know, we don't want to be known as the crazy tinfoil hat wearing, you know, people who believe in little green men. That's, I mean, at least not me personally. So when people like you come around were like, yes, finally, more legitimacy from an actual pilot who can tell us this isn't what this is.

This could be this. This could be this. So, yeah, that's kind of my little soapbox moment, Chris. I don't know. Yeah, that's awesome. Again, I appreciate it. I was very surprised by all the attention, you know, because I'd been making YouTube videos for six, seven months before that. You know, every, I just vowed every week I'm going to make a video.

Whatever I was interested in that week, I would make a video about it. So, yeah, I'm very appreciative, but I was surprised at how much attention I got, like, right away, you know. But I guess I want to finish that is I just don't have time. to care what McQuest thinks. Like honestly, you know, like, I'm not going to go watch him say stuff. I mean, I do care of his arguments. His arguments are good. If he makes valid arguments, then, you know, I will listen to the arguments.

But I don't go watch everything. I don't think I watch anything. He's McQuest shows, you know. And after Abby Loeb said that to me, and it was like I was all worried about or angry at Thunderfoot, you know, like I was going to do all this thing. but now I'm just proving something that's, I already am pretty sure I proved it. So why would I be wasting my time with these guys?

Yeah. I don't care. I don't care what this dude thinks. I really don't. I don't care. I honestly, I've just put myself in a position where I don't have to care what anyone actually thinks. Yeah, and I'm so happy for that.

I just appreciate it so much. And that's what I'm just going to say, I'm just going to say what I think. You know, I'm tired. For 18 years, I grew up in a religious country, Texas. And then for 24 years, I was in the military. And so finally, I'm just in a position financially, mentally, socially, right? I live in Portugal.

So I just don't have to care what other people think. And so I'm just going to do what I want to do. And so I think that I really want to find out if there are you a piece. You know, you made that statement. Like, I'm not here to prove that the alien. is at the spaceship, but I would say just go for it, man. That's what I would want to prove. No, I want to prove there's a spaceship there and there's an alien in it or not.

Or it's something else or some weird anomalies or something. But yeah, it's just so interesting, so interesting to me. It's so, I mean, is there a bigger story? What is you can talk about, you know? No, man, I always tell people, two big questions in life. You know, where do we go after we die? what happens and is there other life out there? And I think we can viably answer at least one of those,

hopefully within our lifetime, maybe not. Or the answers might be completely different than what we ever expected. But hey, we're making strides. And it takes rebellious scientists and philosophers to really go on that landmine, as Avi Loeb would say, before we can, you know, it's paranormal until it's normal. That's what I sort of go with with people. Or it's science fiction until it's, you know, science fact.

So, yeah, I think we're on the cusp of finding out some really interesting stuff when it comes to where we're heading quantum physics-wise and a lot of that sort of stuff. So, no, I can hear the hunger and the curiosity in your voice to find those answers. And those are the kind of people we gravitate towards because we can see the passion. And it just came, it just came back so coincidentally to my, my original kind of crazy theory, you know. I grew up thinking the theory, not fully. But basically, I did feel like we were in a organized organism.

You know, I've thought that for decades. I just, I didn't know how to communicate it. Or I didn't, and it wasn't even full until I watched the Avi Loeb interview with Lex Friedman. Again, I should just watch Lex Friedman, all of his interviews with people. But I watched an interview with him and Abby Loeb, and that really put all the pieces, together for my whatever, Chris's crazy-ass theory. But basically it just means that, you know, humans are not the, we're not the top of the life chain.

You know, if you go down into our bodies, there's, you know, maybe an infinity amount of levels below, you know, in your cells. And I think they're all just living in their dimension, just like we are at our size dimension. And then if you look above us, so I think we're just in larger organisms, which could If you keep, you know, go out to infinity up, then it does, it could possibly match for like this dark matter of what we're seeing. Basically, the argument is it's more order. So life, life creates order is kind of what I believe.

You know, out of dead inanimate matter, it organizes it. So into the future, right? It replicates, you know, dirt and turns it into a plant, right? So it organizes it and then the plant will continue into the future. So I think what life actually does is it organizes stuff. It creates order. And when we look up, that's what we're seeing is this dark matter, right? It's not really matter.

It's a term that scientists use to denote a misunderstanding. Our models are not matching. And they're 95% off. I don't know. I see numbers from 85% to 95% off, which means you're not off. Okay, you're not even off. You're not even in the same zip coat, you know? And but really what we're seeing when we look at,

up is there's more order than we're expecting, right? The galaxies are staying together when they should be blowing apart, right? But they're being held together by dark matter, which is the argument up until now was it's this invisible substance that creates more mass and we'll never be able to see it, right? Which just sounds like the invisible teacup orbiting the earth. If you ever heard that argument? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've heard it, yeah.

So prove to me there's not an invisible teacup orbiting the earth right now. You can't prove something that doesn't exist. So that's the basic argument is that life is actually ordering. And so what these UAPs would actually be is control, some type of control mechanisms, whatever they provide nutrients for our cell, which would be there. And then if things get out of control, maybe they kind of help a little bit or hurt a little bit, just like your body would control any of itself. You're great at protecting your data, but lots of people,

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Save up to 40% your first year at LifeLock.com slash Spotify. Terms apply. Right. Oh, that's so fascinating. Yeah, they're they're kind of nudging us every now and again and being like, all right, let's get this chaos back a little bit back into control. I love that. Like when we're glimpsing these phenomena,

we may actually be glimpsing the invisible control mechanism that's always been there. And I mean, people like Jacques Valet have been saying that for decades now. If you've ever gotten into the work of Jacques Valet, he thinks that's what these UFOs are. They're a control mechanism of some sort to keep things. in order, but because of our human nature, we see them as the opposite. They're breaking paradigm. They're making things out of control.

They're rebelling against everything we know. So it's interesting. God, that conversation could go in a million different ways. Yeah. I mean, I think it's obviously just one hypothesis. Who knows? That's the thing. You start thinking about UAPs and all of a sudden it's like, there's so many options.

I mean, you know, like, which is awesome. I mean, it's just, I think it just shows us that there's so much more we don't know. You know, and that's just so obvious. You know, we always think we're at the modern, you know, like we're like living in Star Trek. You know, we are in the future. We're in the future, you know, like we're on the bleeding edge of science. And just see, like, you're always on the leading edge of science, just so you know, right? That's just how time works, right?

You're always on the bleeding edge of science. You know, the Romans, they were on the bleeding edge of science. edge of science, you know. And if you look, we haven't really changed that much, you know. Yeah. Yeah, sorry, the final thought on that was as an example. So like if the police come to your house, right, and they come to arrest you and say they're like state troopers, right? So that would be from the dimensional state level, right?

So they are in effect controlling you in that sense. But they appear as people, right? But they're not just random people, right? They're people in a uniform. They're in a role. They've filled that role. But they're executing it from the state. You know, it's really the state is making you go to jail.

Right. It's like state versus, you know, Ryan. Right. So it's not like you're, so that would be an example of a control mechanism from a higher dimension. In this case, it would be the state. You know, New York state is going after Ryan for whatever reasons. Okay. It appears as people dressed in police clothes, right?

But, you know, that's, that would be. the analogy. Again, my hypothesis, but if it opens people mind and start looking for other, you know, other clues or other ways to gather

the evidence, then I think it's, it's time, right? They've been, they've been beating their heads against neutrino, neutrino tanks the last 40 years looking for dark matter.

Yeah. I think they can open their scope. Yep. It's time, man. I'm with you. Yeah, hopefully 50, 100 years down the line will, are, you know,

people will look back and be like, why didn't they, like, believe in these UFO? Why did they, like, make fun of each other for so long? That's my hope, at least, that we'll get to that day where it is, it becomes normal. And then you go to the next level and the next level. It's, it's awesome. Well, I got to ask, Chris, wrapping things up, man. I've kept you way longer than I told you. What do you, what do you looking forward to most in the latter half of 2021 going into 2020?

to when it comes to UFOs. Are you going to keep looking into this stuff? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I got some plans, man. Yeah. I, the most, I'll just say it now, because I already said it on Andy Show, was, yeah, I want to put a satellite up. I want to get a UAP hunting satellite and fund it by crypto. So if you look at my older videos, I did a lot of NFT. So I just see a clear, I just see a clear path to funding a satellite. with FLIR on it, right? So we add FLIR optical systems, funded, crowdfunded, right?

So no government money, none of that stuff. And then send this thing up there. I think it'd be super fun. It'll probably just blow up or something. But even then, that'd be awesome. You know, it'd be like, blew up, you know? Do it again.

But the point is to show it as a model, right? I really want to show this as a model. And then the idea is I'll just, YouTube. I just want to share everything. You know, I'm tired of people. closing all the information, you know, you can't release that,

you know, it's, they signed an NDA, you know, they can't talk about this. And I want to just going direct to the internet, like direct,

like no one can stop it. I want to hardwire it. You know, I mean, I don't think you can hardwire it from space. And so I think it is, I think it's actually going to happen. I have my cousin is,

he randomly built the Mars Orbiter. So he's pretty talented. Yep. And so I think we can do it. You just need, I think we can do it for under a million dollars. So crowdfunding. If we can get enough people to buy these NFTs,

I think the NFTs could actually even go up in value. So, yeah, I'm super excited about that. And I want to do it as fast as possible. Yeah. Yeah. Yep, exactly. Do it now before. That's the thing.

Yeah. Yeah, this permanent DOD office starts controlling all the satellites. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, because, you know, everyone's, it's same thing, right? Like actors. You know, if you met someone and they, if you're just, at a party or something and they start acting, it's kind of weird, right? It's like weird.

Or if you're maybe just a few people and someone acts, it's weird, right? But then if someone's on TV and then it's like you're enthralled, right? Oh, I'm drawn into this character. You know, like you said, my friends, I'm about to start a podcast, right? No one gives a shit. No one cares. You know, I'm

writing a book. No one gives a shit, man. No one cares, right? But you have a bestseller book. All of a sudden, they're like, wow, he's got a bestseller, you know, put it on on thing, you know? So, yeah. Just doing stuff, I think, is the way to do it. Just go and do it. Like, you want more evidence about UAPs, man.

Like in your city, put together a UAP. You know, all like I showed you how. Just all we need is like one event with 30 people filming or less even. You know, it doesn't have to be 30. 30 is just like your magical statistical number. Yeah. Yep. Get off your butts and do something.

I'm so like, yeah, we're sitting here having a conversation. That's one thing. But for those who criticize those. is trying to proactively investigate and actively research these phenomena, like support them. What harm can come from Avi Loeb doing the Galileo project? I mean, if it's their own money, let them do it.

Yeah, exactly, man. I love that. Well, I'm looking forward to hearing more about that. And of course, last question for you, where can we find everything you're up to? And yeah, what Chris Lito's got coming up with. the UAP? YouTube is my main, you know, where I mainly live.

So just Chris Lato. And then I have a Patreon. So if they're interested, support me on Patreon. I'm pretty active on that. And again, I want to build a like a real team, you know, or I don't know. So whatever ridiculous say you want to build a movement or something. Not a movement. I just want to get stuff done.

I want to get shit done. And I want to put a satellite into space that's looking for UAPs. And I want to put satellite. not maybe not satellites, but sky hub systems in hotspot areas, put them in locations of cities. Yeah, I mean, just get our own evidence. We can keep being mad at the government for lying to us for 70 years. Oh, this time they'll come around.

You know, like, right. Past performance is no indication of future results. Yeah, I just, I want to get my own. I think it would be super fun. I've always wanted to, you know, send something into space. Like, why not get the whole UAP community focused on it? and, you know, someone else do it. I show them how to do it and then other people do it.

I don't care. Yep. It's the ripple effect, man. I love that. Awesome. Well, hey, man. Again, we've been very gracious with your time. We covered so much.

I know there's more listener questions and stuff we didn't get to. So I'd love to have you on again. But I got to thank you for all you're doing. Again, just up in the legitimacy of this topic where it needs to be, I think. And I got to thank you for. for coming on somewhere in the skies today. Awesome. No, thanks, Ryan.

Great to meet you, man. And yeah, I'll come on again just when I have the time. So no worries. Cool.