Somewhere in the Skies - Is Seeing Really Believing? | A Discussion with the Bigfoot Collectors Club

Episode Date: October 27, 2025

Ryan is currently in London for MCM Comic Con, so the boys over at Bigfoot Collectors Club have taken over the podcast! Bryce Johnson, Michael McMillian, and Riley Bray have a lively roundtable about what it really means to believe in the unexplained. From Bryce’s on-the-ground investigations for Expedition Bigfoot to the team’s personal brushes with “The Phenomenon,” this conversation dives deep into the nature of belief itself. Is seeing really believing when it comes to UFOs, Bigfoot, and other high-strangeness encounters? Or does the truth hide somewhere between the known and the unknown? Find Bigfoot Collectors Club here: https://linktr.ee/bigfootcollectorsclub Please take a moment to rate and review us on Spotify and Apple. Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Email: [e-mail] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SomewhereintheSkies Discord: https://discord.gg/NTkmuwyB4F Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ryansprague.bsky.social Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomewhereSkies Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/somewhereskiespod/ Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryansprague51 Order Ryan’s new book: https://a.co/d/4KNQnM4 Order Ryan’s older book: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Store: http://tee.pub/lic/ULZAy7IY12U Proud member of SpectreVision Radio: https://www.spectrevision.com/podcasts Read Ryan’s articles at: https://medium.com/@ryan-sprague51 Opening Theme Song by Septembryo Copyright © 2025 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #BigfootCollectorsClub #ExpeditionBigfoot #SomewhereInTheSkies #HighStrangeness #PodcastCrossover #ParanormalPodcast #Belief #Cryptids #UFOCommunity #ThePhenomenon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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that the possibility of life elsewhere is not only quite probable, some field is there without a doubt. Let us suppose them that these objects are real space vehicles, extraterrestrial origin and not an illusion of the mind. I'm Ryan Sprague, and you are now somewhere in the sky. Welcome to Somewhere in the Skies. I am your host, Ryan Sprague, and I'm doing a special intro this week, guys, because I'm going to be bringing you a fascinating discussion that my really good friends,

Riley Bray, Michael McMillian, and Bryce Johnson had on their podcast, Bigfoot Collectors Club. Now, this was actually originally a presentation at AnamaCon last year, and the guys were nice enough to let us drop it here as a podcast. Now, the reason I'm pulling this one from the archives this week is, as you're watching this or listening to this, I am currently in London in the UK at London Comic-Con. I'm wheeling and dealing out at Comic-Con trying to get people to subscribe to the podcast, watch our videos, and talk. about UFOs. I'm going to be doing some special videos while I'm at Comic-Con as well, meeting some interesting people, and hopefully bringing you guys some fascinating content in the very near future. But today, I want to bring you back to this awesome conversation that Bryce, Michael, and Riley had about the power of belief and what it means when it comes to aliens, Bigfoot, ghosts, the paranormal,

the unexplained, and how belief can both. both cause us to interpret things in different ways and how it can also inspire us to look further out into this deeply mysterious world that we call home. So I'm not in this episode, but they do give me a shout out in the beginning. And again, I cannot thank them enough for giving this presentation at Anomicon last year. It was our headlining presentation. And I love those guys so much. the passion they have for these topics is comparable only to the best researchers out there.

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Hello, Earthlings. Welcome to a very special episode of Bigfoot Collectors Club. We're coming to you from Anomicon, a virtual conference on the Anonymous put together by a friend of the show, Ryan Sprague. Shout out of Brigg. Somewhere in the skies. Hi, Ryan. Thank you so much for having us. We're so excited to have a little bit of a esoteric conversation today for our friends who are attending the show.

And if you're listening to this after the fact over on our podcast feed, because this will be a podcast episode, you can actually watch this episode and all the other panels over at the AnamaCon YouTube channel. And the video version of this will be dropping on our YouTube. YouTube channel at Bigfoot Collectors Club on the Wednesday that this drops. Correct. So there you go. So if you're listening to this on the podcast, you can watch it a couple different ways on YouTube right now. So we'll include links to all of that stuff in the show notes.

However you are experiencing this, welcome. This is Bigfoot Collectors Club, the podcast where we talk to amazing guests about their personal paranormal history and share stories of high strangeness. I'm your host, Michael McMillan. With me always is your other host. Hi, I'm Bryce. Did you see me eat that microphone? I'm Bryce Johnson.

I'm Bryce Johnson. Now it's one of our podcast episodes. And a super producer. Riley Braille. Hey guys. How's it going? Microphone awareness. Yeah, he's had to break the nerves.

This is our first time doing a video show truly from the clubhouse since we started. We should say this is the clubhouse. We are in the place. This is where we actually sit and do the show. So we're excited to actually invite people in for the first time. That is true. Yeah, we're inviting you into the clubhouse. So you are now kind of like club members.

And speaking of being in the clubhouse, Bryce, we have some special guests who are behind the scenes. You want to explain who is helping us out today. Oh, my God. It would be my honor. So we've got some of the Expedition Bigfoot crew here with us. We got them here. We've brought them here. Hold them out of the woods.

Please welcome, Josh and Kamalton. Thank you for helping us with this, you guys. We love and appreciate you. They're just giving us quiet thumbs up from behind camera. Those great shots that you see on Expedition Bigfoot, a lot of those come from these guys. So we're lucky to have them here. You guys have heard me rave about the Expedition Bigfoot cinematography for years now. Oh, well, yes.

Awesome. So now we're bringing that to the podcast. I love it. Cross over. This is the part of the show. We just got it. Q in the world collide. We've got to get the mic technique down.

and then we're good to go. We're getting close. So when Ryan Sprague asked us to come do this, I thought to myself, I said, what are we going to talk about? Because if this is, it's a podcast episode, but it's also a panel at a convention about the anomalous.

And, you know, we do a segment on the show every week called Bullshit or Believe it, where we've talked to our guests and we go down a list of phenomenon, we say, okay, if you have to make a decision right now, are you open, like, choose aside. Bigfoot, bullshit. Believe it.

Or believe it. Believe it. Believe it, of course. So it really got me thinking about that old adage, you know, seeing as believing. Yeah. Right. All right. And all three of us have seen things that we can't explain.

We've now had hundreds of guests on the show who have shared similar stories. Some amazing guests. Paranormal experts, celebrities, just, you name it. Experieners. Yeah, experiencers. So it got me wondering, is, seeing believing? Like, is it really that

simple? So... Oh, that's interesting. When it comes to high strangeness, you know what I mean? Just because you see something, does that mean you believe it? What about hearing? Is hearing believing? Well, we're going to get into that. Okay. As I like to tell you on the show all the time, Bryce, don't get ahead of it.

It seems too odd. Hold your goddamn horses. But, I mean, we've had a guest on the show who saw a ghost. It was Ben Blacker, saw a ghost in his house. And still didn't believe in ghosts. So, you bring up a great point. That is going to be. the topic of this discussion. And believing.

Yeah, we're going to talk about how belief shapes our reality and how reality can shape belief systems, how what we've seen has impacted, how we look at the world. And then we're also going to talk to Bryce, who's been seeing a lot of stuff lately, shooting the new season of Bigfoot, Expedition Bigfoot, playing now on Discovery Channel. So let's dive in, boys. Here we are. Let's do it. Let's do this.

Okay, so let's kick this off with an impossible question to answer. Bryce and Riley, how, what do you believe about reality? Who wants to take that one? Riley, why don't you kick it off? You're a deep thinker. Yeah, exactly. What do you think about, what do you believe about reality, Riley? I mean, that's a big question.

I told you. We're starting big. Start and broad. Yeah, then we're going to find her way down. I mean, okay. So I think it's a two-fold thing, right? So on the one hand, reality is absolutely experienced and real. And like, you know, if I, if you punch me, not that you would, but if you did, like, there's, there's, we haven't pushed me.

We haven't pushed me to the edge yet. A few more years. But, like, I would experience that, you know, there's no, like, getting around that. Right. There's the physicality of reality is undeniable. Yes. Right. But the experience of reality, I think, is very different and very subjective.

Yes. And especially because we're based on limited sensory data coming in, not 100% in real time with our brain processing. So you're living in this gap of, you know, light and smells and things coming in and being processed. And then your self is saying, okay, this is reality. So that to me is very permeable and can change. You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save?

Enough. Enough to get lost. Or you could book a stay with Hilton. Welcome to your oceanfront room. Just steps from the water. The Hilton sale is on now. Book on Hilton.com or the Hilton app and save up to 20% to get the stay you expected.

When you want savings, not surprises. It matters where you stay. Hilton for the stay. Right, depending on how your central nervous system is experiencing the first. third dimension or even down to like your mindset and your attitude and like there you go the way that you perceive reality is malleable and shifting you know so what do I believe about reality I don't know I mean we also just might be in a computer so there's also that and I can't say for certain that

we're not now we should say that you were a philosophy major I yeah well I was minor took a class I was a double major fine fine art emphasis and installation sculpture great and comparative I was going to say, we should say for the record that, like, we're not really qualified to have this conversation. Listen, we're just friends hanging out. We are our share experts. You know, when we started this podcast, it was just a deep interest in the paranormal. And that's what has driven this show for what we're going on seven years now. Coming up on it.

And, and, you know, we've constantly been confronted with this idea of, oh, are we going to run out a strange topics to talk about or or is our belief system going to change and let me tell you something. There is no end to the amount of strangeness that that we can talk about. There are so many cryptids and encounter stories out there and our belief to your sort of point of seeing is believing. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but mine has changed over the years of doing this podcast. And, Ryan, I agree with you. I think reality is completely what we make of it. You know what I mean? And I mean that.

I don't even know if you guys exist in a sense. Like, this could be all just part of my reality-making machine. You know what I mean? I think when we're starting to look at... There's like a narcissistic Hollywood actor joke in there somewhere, but we're going to leave it real life. I was sort of touching off of that sort of holographic idea or a simulation. You know, when we sort of look into the science of quantum mechanics and, you know, subatomic particles, we start to see that what everything has in common down to the macro to the

micro is space. You know what I mean? From out there in the universe, space, down to this mug. What's in here is just a collection of molecules held together by an enormity of space. So, you know, yeah, I think we don't know a lot about our reality. That's a good point. Yeah, I think what I believe about reality is the only thing I know I believe is that whatever it is I'm in it I'm here there you go that's sort of the first part of what I was saying you're in my reality whatever it is you are in it whatever

we're all in Bryce's reality now so what have you guys seen and I know we've talked a lot about this on the show we don't have to necessarily go into our own personal paranormal histories but like what is you what kind of stuff when it comes to this have you seen that has changed your reality well I'd like to speak

on this because I was thinking about this So, you know, for those of us who are, for those of you who aren't familiar with the show, you know, we started with Michael and I being common experiencers. You know, I saw this yellow-eyed demon peering through my bedroom window when I was right into a yellow-eyed demon. Four or five. And Michael saw a red devil as you're a red devil. Yeah, a red devil. And, you know, and Michael saw something in his window too. And Riley's had an experience as well. But, you know, we've told these sort of encounters on this podcast a few times now. And the most. And the. more I think about that story, the more it becomes almost like a fictionalized memory to me in a strange way. I keep looking back and I go, you know, I keep telling it the same way. You know, I keep remembering it as truth. My experience is seeing and believing, I saw that, right? But now it's like I've told it so many times. It's like sort of the, the crispness of the details have gone away. Sure. Is that weird? Well, that's just also with time, right? Yeah. Memory. You were a kid.

I know, but like the more I'm tell the story now and think about it. And I'm like, I start to wonder if it ever really happened to me, you know? I mean, you're bringing up another really good point about reality, which is that so much of reality is memory. And so, and memory really is these stories that you've retold and re-entbrate. It's built on. Yeah, memory is is story, internal storytelling, you know, so that's not real anymore. Right. It was at a point, but your perception of it now is like, is a construction, you know.

Totally. And narratives are also a way that we construct belief in our own lives. Like the story that we tell ourselves about things that have happened to us about what we are, what we're made of, how we got here. And I, you know, so I've seen what someone described as a silhouette of an alien gray. I've also seen a ghost. Yeah. Which I'm like, that was a ghost. With another person who saw it at the same time.

Yes. So I was a teenager. we were, I was at my school, there was a haunted building at that school and I saw the ghost of a little girl that was peering out at us. Now, I say the ghost of a little girl. I saw a pale white girl looking at us,

hair braided into pigtails. My friend saw the same thing, pointed out details before I told her I was seeing the same details. And here's the thing, I call it a ghost, but I don't know that it's a ghost, right? But I did, after that point, I was like, okay,

there is something other. There is something, the thing that they call ghosts does exist. So I believe in that. Yes. But I don't know what it is. And furthermore, the real thing that changed for me when that happened

that I have carried through up until the moment that we're recording this podcast is that when people say I saw something, I tend to believe them because I'm like, well, I have seen something too. So I can't, I know, I can relate to you now. It's like being in a little club where like everyone else, I mean, so many people that we told that story to laughed at us because they thought we were making it up.

Well, and here's what I want to add to that, you know, whether seeing is believing or not, whether I did experience that sort of devilish thing in my window or not, it changed my life. Because it sent me on a journey that never ended and has led me here on this couch talking with you guys. like, so whatever did happening, whatever did happen, whether I saw it or believed it at the time, it ultimately transformed my life in a major way. So something happened that night. So that's the anchor point where I leverage all this interest in the unknown to. So do you guys, is it safe to say now, now, Riley, I know that you can. And Riley just wants to deny that he was abducted by a UFO. Tell him about the light that came into your room, Riley.

Can neither confirm nor deny. We just look at you We know that aliens have like gotten in there somewhere They're in there somewhere They like gave you the cool shit They were like we gotta make this guy cool I mean I did wake up when I was a child To the numbers on my digital clock being scrambled

And then my room suddenly flooding with light Okay and then the then that light suddenly But also that was a long time ago And that same thing about the sort of the stories you tell yourself So you know But I mean I remember it Yeah. It happened.

So do you guys think now, is it safe to say that you believe that there is something to, that the phenomenon exists, whatever we, however we want to describe that, ghosts, aliens, Bigfoot, cryptids, whatever. Do you think, I know where you stand. I think. 100% of it. You might surprise me. There is a phenomenon at play on this planet, and we are participating and engaging with

it on a daily basis. Okay. That's about where you're at. Where are you at Riley? The experience of the paranormal is inseparable from the human experience. That's where I'm out of it to. I think it is just whatever this is, it's part of the human condition. And that also kind of brings me back to, well, whatever it is, I'm in that.

You know what I mean? So I believe that I don't know what it is, but it interacts with us somehow. And it might all be in our brains and science will figure that out, but who knows. Totally. There's a wild card within this reality. No doubt about it. it. A trickster element. So, Bryce. Let's talk about your, Bryce. Let's talk about your work on Expedition Bigfoot. Season 5 is happening right now. And by the time people see this, about half of the season

will have aired. Is that right? Wow. Yeah. So you're doing a lot more investigative work this season, basically following in the footsteps of former castmate Ronnie LeBlanc. Is that right? Yes, that's absolutely right. Yeah, whom we miss very much. You know, there was so much time between when we actually got our pickup that when we asked Ronnie back, unfortunately, he had moved on to some other projects. But it gave me an amazing opportunity to jump in there. Look.

Get out of the command center. Like all you fans want me to. I will say Ronnie's irreplaceable, but I'm so excited to see you next to Maria, Dr. Maria. Yes. I call her dog. all due respect, in the woods. I'm so happy to see you.

Me too, man. Because you have to understand for people who don't, may not know the show, like, we've been all sitting on the couches with each other for this long. And so I'm so excited to see you out in the woods. I know. I am too. And let me tell you something. Like, I was like giddy.

There's so much of me like just holding energy back being out of the field. Like, because I'm like, I call it golden lab energy. I just want to get out there and want to just start looking for Bigfoot. And it was so much fun. And especially being coupled with the good doctor. Like she is a legit field researcher and I just wanted to like learn as much as I could from her. Yeah. What are can, let's just jump into it.

Like what things have you already picked up by just walking in her shadow through the woods? Oh, just like animal behavior. Like how it relates to the environment and like and how it relates to looking for evidence. So instead of just like meandering through the forest, you're like, okay, there's clues everywhere, how do we recognize them, how do we look for evidence? And speaking of, I mean, I'm probably jumping the gun, which is what I do a lot on this show. Go for it. But so as you may have noticed on that first episode, I found my legit first footprint. Wow.

And yeah, totally wow. And so was that seeing that? Did that make you believe? No. Not yet because, and I want to unpack this because I think you guys will really love this. So, you know, when I originally came across this footprint, and this is a little bit of how the sausage is made, you know, we weren't rolling cameras. I saw something and I was kind of like, oh my gosh, that looks like a big footprint. I should take a picture of this.

I was almost like joking around, right? And so I took a picture of it and I go, oh, that's, man, oh, you can't really see how big it is. Let me put my hand down there. should have these photos on my phone. And so I put my hand, I go, oh, that looks, that looks pretty big. That looks pretty big. I go, I should probably show these to Maria. And I go, Maria, look at this. And she's like, show me where that is, you know? And I'm like, great, it's on. So now we're rolling cameras, and I'm taking her to where I found this footprint. And something really cool happened. So I'm like, okay, what do you think, what do you see right there? And she's like, okay, well, as you see on the show,

deep impression and I'm like yeah I'm like I see a toe here and a heel and she's like oh I don't here's what I see this because you know we we're talking about it in real time she's like I see it reverse I think that's the heel and this is the toe cool and as she starts to sort of like carefully move back some grass I go oh my gosh I saw it do yeah and it was like it was I I saw it the other way and she here she is pointing it out what it really could be and now my head's kind of spinning. I'm going, does it still look like a foot? I mean, like, what is this? Because it was deep impression, like maybe three, four inches in the ground. And I was sort of walking around the space and not making nearly as much impression. Mind you, it had all rained in that entire area for so long.

So the ground was still really soft. Really soft and wet, you know, and it was just like, and now I'm looking for another print. And I'm like, okay, well, if there's one, it's got to be two. And what, here's what I love. And I'm, you know, so as, as, Maria is like, okay, well, let's 3D scan this. Let's take, and then we'll do plaster because we'll get a better look at it. And I go, okay, great, great. Now as this plaster's drying, I'm sort of in my mind imagining it, working it as a foot. Do you see the parade going down Willow Creek and you're the, yeah, you're holding up Bigfoot next to you?

You'll like this even more. What I'm doing is I'm sort of like visualizing it as a footprint. I'm sort of trying to manifest it as like a Bigfoot footprint because I know. know there's high strangeness involved. And we'll get to that. You're seeing you're actually tapping into like a little bit of magic to be like make it a footprint. Yes, I'm trying to. Because, you know, I feel like I'm a magical person and I'm a very sort of mystical person.

So I like to incorporate that in to, I want to bring what I can to the field expedition. And so I want to bring, you know, that enthusiasm and also some magical workings. Okay. I know. But anyway, so in my mind, I would imagine it, like, coming out like a footprint or what did it look like? And I'll be darned as we get this plaster cast back. It looked like the footprint. I mean, I almost couldn't believe that it looked like a footprint. Like what you had actually pictured. Yes. And I almost questioned myself, like, I can't believe, like, that actually came out like a foot. Like, the phenomenon then sort of like hooked me again. It was like, what is this? Welcome to Somewhere in the Skies. I recently had the opportunity to come into contact with a man who I can say has fundamentally changed my life within one meeting of him. We have talked to scientists, we have talked to doctors, we have talked to scholars on this podcast in the past, but none like the person you are going to meet. today. So I thought we would just get an introduction this time. We will most likely have him back on in the future. But this is a perfect time to introduce the entire UFO community to the one, the only, Dr. Fear. Dr. Fear.

Fia. Fia. Fia. Fia. Oh, I apologize. I am so sorry. You must get that a lot. You must get that. I do quite often, to the point. where I have started, I have a friend, his name is Geron, J-A-R-O-N. It pronounced exactly how it spelled, how it sounds. Okay. My poor man, friend has to put a dash after the J-A for the R-O-N.

So if you'll see, I put F-E-C-T-R-FIA. Got it, got it. It's just a certain level of respect. Honestly, I shouldn't have to. Mad scientists are already a bit of a minority. and the fact that I have to adjust for everyone. It's upsetting. I do apologize, Dr. Fiar, but we are very honored to have you with us today

for reasons that are still a mystery to me. I just felt like I needed to introduce you to my audience. So can you tell us a little about yourself? Hello, yes. I am Dr. Fiar, mad scientist extraordinaire, special in kids. cadavers and experiments of the like on said cadavers cadavers, not easy to find, by the way.

I don't think that ever gets enough notice. I would imagine. It makes various chemicals from one tube into another cube, sometimes into cubes as well. Beakers and the like, raise the dead. Sometimes speak with extraterrestrials.

Really? Which I know is your field of expertise. Yes, this is a path we can definitely go down. You have spoken to extraterrestrials. Yes, absolutely. Not in English. But I have spoken to them. There's a lot of bells and whistles, usually.

Bells, okay, okay? Yes. That's all right, okay. I am no fan of Steven Spielberg, I believe, but he is not incorrect in his film, close encounters of the third kind. Most aliens, just communicating through sounds. Interesting.

Now, I have heard these theories before. So you would say that the way to communicate with aliens would be through sounds, through music? Or just random sounds? Yes. Well, if I would say that, I would say, E. Weep. That would be the proper way to say it.

And that translates roughly to what, if I may ask? Aliens communicate and sounds. You set me up for that. That's what you said, and I said it to you in the other language. Okay. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I apologize. So, uh, what, why are you here?

I, I am just going to cut to the point. Why are you here today? Like any good, I, my, thank you, thank you. Like any good scientist, are you, you have, you must adjust with the times. Mm-hmm. and while I have my experience I have my tests

I have my test subjects I also enjoy the world of film and television Ryan and as much as I enjoy it mad scientists tend to get a bit of a bad rap that is true

I mean anytime I've ever seen them yeah they get a pretty bad rap and you you tend to want to argue that right I would like I would think of it less of an argument and more of a chance for enlightenment, you see.

I like that. Okay. Yes, talking about different mad scientists, your morose, your brundles, the father from honey, I shrunk the kids, I assume he's somewhat, somewhat mad to shrink his children. Frankenstein. There are just these people who, they bring us a pit of. a bad name. We're not out there simply raising the dead and shrinking children. We're trying

to discover medical advancements as well. Speak to extraterrestrials. Maybe find a way to cheat death. But again, not in the... Frankenstein. Mad? Yes. Scientist? I think that's...

Really? Yeah. You would challenge his doctoral achievements? Oh, I think if you were to go and collect several cadavers from a mortuary or a cemetery or graveyard, and stitched them together, subjected them to lightning. He probably have the same results.

Nothing very special about that. That's fair. Keeping them alive, keeping them from murdering your sister. That's the hard part. That's the part where he doesn't get the... That's where the science comes in. Naturally. Got it.

Got it. Okay. I like where this is going. I feel like I'm already learning a lot about mad scientists. Now, in terms of bringing a, casting a lighter light, I don't even know how to really put it, casting a more positive light on mad scientists. How do you plan to do this?

What is your goal with this? I think it's getting down to what everybody really has for mad scientists, which is envy. envy Brundle's Everyone wants to look like Jeff Goldblum Everyone wants to

have the appeal of a Rick Moran Ice There are these people Who exist Who have portrayed mad scientists And it should just be A happy occasion I should be

thrilled To be represented By such fine Perspectical talents And yet here we are With me having To defend myself The Rick Sanchez

of the world, they're not, it is not the point of science. It is not the real point, which is to figure out why we're all here. And why, when shocked with electricity, we come back to life. Why does that happen? You're asking me? I am asking you. I'm asking you right now. Okay.

Well, I would assume it had something. We don't have time for this. Listen, at the end of the day, I will be doing these reviews. on various social media. Reviews. Reviews. Yes, yes, yes. I will be offering many bite-sized, edible reviews

of these films and television shows that feature mad scientists. You can find them wherever you subject yourselves to social media and other online intercourse. And you can hear me wax poetic about what a real mad scientist thinks of this representation. Okay.

Well, I very much look forward to that. Now, is there yet a place that we can follow your work and your studies and your analysis, Dr. Fiar? Yes, the Tic-Tac. Tic-Tac. Tic. The one where it's videos that you scroll through. I understand. I think our audience will definitely. You can also check on Instagram. There will be very, the blue sky.

That's pretty self-explanatory, how to pronounce it. I will be around. You must merely search Dr. Fia's mad reviews. And I will be there for you, ready to break down all the reasons that mad scientists are misunderstood. And I think some of them may surprise you. Dr. Fiar, thank you so much for joining us. I know this will not be the last time we hear from you, and we will be sure to follow the further studies and work.

And I have no doubt that you will someday win the Pulitzer for this incredible work. Well, there's a fourth time for everything. That's true. I have three Pulitzer. I'm sure you do. I can see them. And a Nobel Peace Prize. Yeah.

I killed someone for. I didn't win it. But I have it in my possession. Are you confessing to a murder here on somewhere in the skies? Yes. Okay. Let's cut it there. I did.

Okay. Of course I can. That kind of makes me think of like the cosmic trickster thing. 100% that we hear about that, you know, we got passport to Magonia sitting right here on the, you know, like this idea of whatever this thing is. Also like the sense of humor that it has, like, you see it when you're not rolling, right? Yeah. See it backwards. Yeah.

See it backwards. kind of fooling you guys. And then, so what do you make of that? What's, what's that relationship between you and the phenomenon while you're out there trying to see it? Because as we know, here's the thing. Yeah. The phenomenon doesn't, clearly doesn't like to be seen, right? Right.

It doesn't like to be seen for too long. Otherwise, seen on its own terms. Or seen on its own terms. That's a great, great point, right? UFOs, they're typically gone in a second. Bigfoot. But people see it, gone in a flash, ghosts, hear one minute, gone another, get it, get what I'm saying. Totally.

So what do you make of that? Okay. Like, let's get weird with it for a second. Here's what I make of that. So when we say stuff like the phenomenon, you know, we sort of refer to everything strange that's happening in our world as the phenomenon. Yes, it's an umbrella term, right? But we've found so many patterns and similarities in this strange stuff. like, you know, Michael was pointing to this.

Like, remember that red devil I was talking about my window? Here's an alien gray using the devil as a mask. Want to hold that up maybe? Yeah. A little bit higher? We have cameras now. Yeah, we have cameras. Here's the alien gray using the devil as a mask.

Here's the alien using a gnome or an ogre or a little goblin. Or a goblin as a mask. Here it is using a fairy from Celtic lore. So this book by Jacques Valet is seminal work because it points to the idea that the phenomenon masks itself in different guises. Now, to answer your question. I'm only laughing because we've held up this book to a Zoom camera, probably five or six times on the show. And this is the first time we've actually had a camera here to look at it. An image is worth a thousand words. That conveys so much about the phenomenon. We could finally do visual gag. Yes. But let me answer

your question. So that footprint to me was, who has pets? Do you know the end of a cat toy, the little like feather or a bell? Right? that's what it was, a phenomenon going, tinka-neen-ding-ding-ding-ding. Like you're in the right area, you're doing the right things, come look for me. Right.

We're engaging now. What about confirmation? Did you feel like you get, and now, you know, I haven't, we've only, us sitting here in this moment have only seen episode one. Everyone watching this at home,

I've seen the next few episodes. Did you get confirmation that this, like, that's a foot? A hundred percent. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm convinced. I mean, once you look at the foot and then the plaster,

and then you start to put into context, all of the activity and the experiences that took place after which, you know, I mean, look, I can't be 100% sure that that's a foot because it was just one. If I wish I would have found another accompanying step. It was just one single thing. Just one single print.

Now that may sound strange, but that's part of this Bigfoot phenomenon. I mean, we've read reports where Bigfoot tracks will just completely end in the snow. and people are like, where are the rest of these tracks? Did it backtrack perfectly over its steps? Did a helicopter come and just take this thing off? Where do the rest of the tracks?

Right? So it's the same thing. One footprint or just tracks ending. Same thing. It's weird. Yeah, it's weird. It almost makes me, I'm like, is it the forest doing it? Does the forest like sometimes, you know what I mean?

Like, let's flip this on a totally different angle. It's like the forest literally playing tricks on people, like making you think there's a footprint there making you know because we hear also like you guys have seen some weird stuff like orbs in the woods and these thermal images that show up and then vanish so there is a part of me that's like

I know that people think that like Bigfoot could be some sort of forest elemental but I'm like what if it's like the woods is like consciously tricking people dude that shit's deep love that it's like the ants yes yeah I mean you I'm like generally agnostic about all these things but I do love the

idea of like a single big foot track being like it's just walking through dimensions and that's like the one step in our dimension and then the track the tracks just keep going as it's like skipping through these layers of time and reality yeah you know I love that idea yeah I was pounding up and down trying to get that deep in the impression you know I didn't and what's really interesting is the grass was laid down really too like it's as if somebody took a heavy heavy placed boulder shaped like the bottom of a foot, picked it up off that ground and then like put it somewhere where I couldn't find it. Wild.

So what are some other things that you've seen filming the show or out in the woods? Because like you're doing the work now. You're out there. We're sitting at home making the podcast. You're doing it. What are, has there been another thing where you're like, I truly cannot believe what I'm looking at right now? You know, some of these things that you find in the woods, deep in the woods, should not be

there. And so if you are you talking about structures. Yeah, we're going to tree structures. Structures. Okay. Things left behind that that really are unnatural to the environment. And they're pretty like crazy, you know. When I, thinking back to like that time, like I saw that thing cross the road, you know, that was the only other.

That's in what season three? Yeah, that was in Washington, I believe. gosh, it all starts to bleed to. I believe it was in, it was in Northern California, and you had mounted cameras on a car. You were driving down a dark road at night where people had seen these things crossing. Yeah, we did like... Bigfoots were doing cross-air. I remember.

I was I'm really interested in all these like road crossings that people report. And so we just mounted the car with infrared lights and infrared cameras, thermal cameras, and you know, and I did some magical working that night too, you know, and I started to see, you know, and you're just driving around all night, hoping

for something, you know. And then I start to see this like little ball of red light like dance across the street like play across the street and I'm like and I would turn the truck around like oh I see something let's follow that you know using a ball of light yeah yeah and then I see it again so it's like it's like you're right you're on to it now you know and as it gets closer you see it get closer and then it disappears and then you're just like it's just like I think I drove by that thing like three or five this is I mean probably 10 times you know and then it wasn't on the when the footage came back didn't it look like something with two legs. Yeah. Yeah. And then so, you know, in my mind, I'm seeing like what

looks like a ball of light, but sort of like cross the road like, you know, and you don't, yeah. And so it's like what am I seeing? Did you say it was red? Yeah. It came off like, it came off like a, like a, it was emitting light. So there are stories where people say that they see Bigfoot literally having glowing red eyes. Right. Do you think it's possible that maybe you were seeing like the glowing red eyes of Bigfoot. It was so far away. Like, all I just know is there was an unnatural emanation of light source and it was red. So yeah, it could have been eyes, maybe.

I don't know, man. Sounds like Bigfoot eyes to me. What do you, like, make of it? Like, what do you believe it to be? You know, I think there's a lot of anomalous phenomena that takes place in the woods. I loved your idea of, like, the woods being sort of conscious in itself. That immediately made me think of the crop circle phenomenon. and how it's sort of a voice for planet Earth.

We still haven't got into crop circles yet. But yeah, you know, controversial subject. All these years later. I mean, even these guys will attest. There are some strange stuff that takes place in the woods. We're getting lots of nods. You know, and I think this is what fans like about it and adhere to. Even when, you know, Dr. Moraya is confronted with the phenomenon, you know,

which is what I love about science, because you're like, let me take in all the data and then make a hypothesis you know so um Riley when we started the show you what was your opinion on Bigfoot like silly 70s lore yeah like stoner cabin bumper sticker yeah stuff like I was like cool I'd argue still can't be still the most fun part of Bigfoot for me is still like kitchenness of it definitely never goes out of style yeah where are you at with it now it's changed i mean it's definitely changed especially especially with bryce doing expedition bigfoot and watching that show and like and hearing so many stories of from people that are like seem like very reliable and like would have no real reason to make this stuff why would you

really want to right yeah i mean a small fraction people maybe would but not enough to account for what we actually hear and experience so it it definitely leads me to conclude that that people are experiencing something. Right. You know, like there, what that is, I truly cannot say. And like, I like to take kind of like, yeah, like the scientific approach of like, until it's provable and repeatable,

I'm never gonna say I believe it because then that's just faith and it's not like science or proof. But I mean, there have been repeated, repeated, reliable encounters. So it's really hard to say that, but for me, the needle has moved. Yeah, you made me also think of something

that I'm sure Bryce, you deal with a lot and your, co-stars on the show, which is there's another element to this where you're seeing it in real life, we're seeing it at home on a TV show, right? And there have to be people, in fact, I know there are, that are watching the show and not believing anything that they're seeing. They're thinking it's all made up. Oh, yeah. Of course. Look, there's going to be haters. There's always going to be haters. Listen, I've thought about this, right? Like, this story, this Bigfoot story, has been taking place for thousands of years.

Yeah. Who are we to come in and say, it's just a bear? Or you know what? You probably made it up. You know, you're hoaxing it. No. No, this story, this mythology,

has been with us as a human species for thousands of years, with every indigenous culture on this planet, on every continent, on this planet. It's not just something that took place in the 50s or the 70s and became a bumper sticker, which I love and it brought it into our national consciousness. But this is a deeper, deeper phenomenon. And for those who don't believe in it, well, then I just say, go talk to somebody who's actually experienced it.

Look them in the eye and say, you're lying to me. Ambition comes in all shapes and sizes. At First Citizens Bank, We roll with your goals because we're built for what you're building. Fit for your ambition for citizens back. Wow. You call me a liar. Because I've spoken with these witnesses.

Well, you've seen it for yourself too, right? Two degrees. I've seen things and experience things myself. I want to be a champion to the witness because this goes into what we're talking about. Terence McKenna, psychonaut and just ethnobotinist Supreme, said this. experience is primacy. Experience is primacy. More than seeing, more than hearing, more than feeling.

What's the experience of it? An experience of something is taking in all the data, sight, sound. Think about us as humans. We only see and hear such a tiny part of the visible and audible spectrum, maybe this much. The animal kingdom is like here. So there's so much information.

we're not taking in. Well, that's what I was... So my experience of Bigfoot is real. Yeah. These people who are encountering these things in the woods, their experience of Bigfoot, is real. Yeah. And there's nothing you can say to them, whether you believe them or not, that's going

to make them change their mind. Well, and you're bringing up a point that you mentioned earlier, too, is like, why are we so focused on seeing stuff? Why don't we think about hearing, feeling, you know, like the other senses? Yeah. You know, there's more, there's more, um, there's more connections in that gut. biome than there almost are neural connections. That's why they call it our second brain. You know, what's your gut tell you? This is really where we should be making the majority of our

decisions. Not from our head, not from our heart, but from our gut. My gut says it likes blueberry muffins. So what do you make of the stuff that you just cannot explain when you're looking for Bigfoot? Like, what do you make of that? What do you make of it? If you can't believe something? Yeah, totally. I'm comfortable. Is it? I'm comfortable with paradox and I'm comfortable with not knowing the answers. So when something is unexplainable to me, I'm comfortable

leaving it there. You know what I mean? I don't need the answer. I'm looking for answers and that's what drives me and I'm sure the team but like, you know, I'm there for the quest man. You know, I mean like if you told me I couldn't do this show unless I got definitive proof or the answers, I would still do it. I'm out there for the journey, man. You know, it's like...

What would it take for both of you to believe in Bigfoot? Like, oh, it exists and it's this. It's a hairy hominid walking around in the woods. It wouldn't have to be a first-hand encounter for me because, like, I believe in Komodo dragons. Right. I've never seen one.

You've never been to the zoo, right? But like, I know they're real, you know? But it would take a level of proof beyond like a single photo or a track or a hair hair sample but but all of those things and I think we've talked about this before on the show it's like triangulating evidence you know where it's like you have some physical evidence and you have a hair sample and you have a sighting and all those things start to come together to put a bigger picture together but to fully believe it it would need to be a pretty clear encounter I think a damn good video would do it for me

Well documented. That's on you guys. I disagree. No video, no photo, no encounter story will ever prove beyond a shadow of doubt the existence of Bigfoot. And here's...

So are you saying it's impossible to prove that Bigfoot exists? No, no, not at all. Not at all. And I'm saying, don't look for finale. Don't look for a final conclusion on this because just like UFOs and hunting the alien,

you know, do we have definitive? proof on that. No. You know what I mean? Do we have a body on the lab table there? No. Or do we? Not sure. Right? Okay. Maybe. I know what you're asking. I know what you're asking. I mean, there's got to be proof out there. Here's what I would say, right? Until we have a body on a lab table, and even Dr. Maria Mayer would argue we don't need a body to classify new species in the animal kingdom. We don't need that. for the general consensus of the public, we want that body.

Are you going to get it? I don't think so because I think, like you said, Riley, I think this thing might be moving in and out of dimensions. I love it. Now, when you say, do I believe in Bigfoot,

I believe in everything and I believe in nothing because I want to stay open. Here's the thing. John Keel, famous Fortean investigator, boots on the ground. OG granddaddy paranormal.

We all give shout out to John. keel he said quote belief is the enemy yeah if is the enemy i'm into that idea so don't believe anything yeah right yeah so is seeing believing then do you guys think no no i mean i don't because seeing is like so many levels removed from reality already you know it is a it is a subjective experience it's like it's light on your retina as translated through your optic nerve as uh you know interpreted by your brain to render a 3D environment that you're operating in. Like that's already so many steps removed from physical reality. You know, so no.

Yeah. How about you, Michael? Where are you on all this? I mean, I think on a personal level, if I saw Bigfoot standing in the woods to be like, okay, I believe in them now. Seriously. They were right. Totally.

They were right. They've been telling me this and now I'm looking at it and they're right, right? I mean. That is actually. That's what I want. I mean, a much more practical, less esoteric answer. You're like, well, yeah. That's the answer.

I mean, so for me, yeah. exactly the answer. For me, yeah. I mean, on a very, very simple level now, but it might take that firsthand experience. Right. It might, you know, I might walk, you know, I might disagree with Riley a little bit, you know, I think you make a very valid point that like I don't have to, I know Komodo dragons exist, right? And I haven't, I have, I have seen what, I have seen one, but nobody's arguing about it. Exactly. Not anymore, but back then they were. Sure. Well, the, the, the gorillas too. I mean, I mean, come on. They were, it was, we've only really. Just. recently discovered.

Yeah, I mean, within, you know, 150 years or whatever. So, and we all know about the dinosaur bones that we talked about on the show as well. That was very fun. So I think for me, it would have to be seeing it. But I think there would be the same caveat that I've had with the ghost encounter that I've had. And then whatever that alien grace situation was where I go, I'm seeing what people call Bigfoot. Right? But I don't know what it is.

I love that. Right? Yeah. Because it's just, also, we're just, also, we're just. finding Bigfoot by from with our own terms yeah sure what does Bigfoot call himself totally themselves you know I'll tell you what I think there's more than one regular foot yeah just normal is the normal normal foot size guy you were absolutely right man when you're out in the woods your head's on a swivel you want to see it yeah you can't see it because you know what that's the entry point

isn't it it's our visuals we eat with our eyes first the funny thing you know let's see this the funny thing is if you got him or her or them on camera On the show, people still wouldn't believe it. They would think it was somebody in a costume or was CGI and you were ficking it. That's true. We've gotten daytime video. We've gotten nighttime video. You got those thermal images that were pretty compelling.

It's out there, man. I love it. It is leaving tracks and it is fucking plain cat and mouse. I love it. Great. Anything else before we wrap this up? Just thank you Anamicon fans. Thank you Ryan Sprague.

Thank you to the sponsors, Spectrevision, Lionsgate, and all who else participated in this incredible. incredible event. Yeah. And to our gentlemen. And to the Expedition Bigfoot cameraman Kamalton and Josh. Thank you to you guys.

Thank you to the fans, the listeners. Thank you to anybody who participates in the mystery that... Yeah. Thanks for being here. Thanks for watching this. Thanks for listening to this. Putting up with us. Yeah. If you guys want to check out more video content, come by our YouTube channel at Bigfoot Collectors Club.

Lots of stuff there. Lots of fun stuff over there. And you can find every episode of the podcast over there as well. Or you can listen to Bigfoot Collectors Club on your favorite podcast app every Wednesday. The show is free to download and listen to. However, if you like giving

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good night and it feels like we should all three go get regressed that's probably true yeah I think we need it at this point we need our heads exactly that's a very special episode yeah

group regression we just go to it hypnitist. We just go to therapy. We just need therapy. I thought that's what this was. Yeah. Goodbye. Spector Vision Radio.

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