Somewhere in the Skies - James Fox's National Press Club Event, David Grusch Bombshell Accusations, Elizondo's UAP Reckoning & The Nazca Alien Mummy Hoax

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

Ryan is joined by Dan Zetterström and Suzanne to bring you the latest UFO news, including: - A National Press Club press conference hosted by James Fox which features witnesses, experts, and members of Congress. - David Grusch makes an explosive claim about who managed the legacy UFO Program. - The DoD releases damning claims about David Grusch. - Luis Elizondo coming out with another book, titled: "Reckoning." - The cult-like messaging from Chris and Ryan Bledsoe. - The Nazca alien mummies have finally been put to rest. Subscribe to What It Means to Be Human: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5VBsZyxWVCvzDyGBj-EE_A Visit the National UFO Historical Records Centre at: https://nufohrc.org/ Please take a moment to rate and review us on Spotify and Apple. Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Substack: https://ryansprague.substack.com/ All Socials and Books: https://linktr.ee/somewhereskiespod Email: [e-mail] SpectreVision Radio: https://www.spectrevision.com/podcasts Opening Theme Song by Septembryo Copyright © 2025 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #varginha #alien #aliens #uapresearch #paranormal #paranormalpodcast #nationalpressclub #military Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're going to be breaking down all the latest U.S. UAP News with our incredible moderator, Suzanne, and our very special guest, the host of the What It Is to Be Human podcast. That is Dan Zetterstrom. And I don't even know where to begin. I don't know where to begin. It has been quite a beginning to 2026, both in the world

and in the world of UFO. those, but like we showed at the top of the intro there, we did lose Eric von Doniken. I believe it was yesterday or early this morning. I know Dan and I are in touch with a lot of the people over at ancient aliens, and it was quite a loss, to say the least. I remember meeting Eric von Donakin in Pasadena, California, actually, at one of the You know, those big alien con events that he was speaking at. I was speaking as well.

And I had a couple minutes with him in one of the green rooms, and he was just the nicest guy ever. Reminded me a lot, actually, of Stanton T. Friedman in many ways. You know, you had Stanton T. Friedman, who was kind of your nuts and bolts, nuclear physicist guy. And then you had Eric von Danikin, who was the ancient astronaut theory. preeminent researcher, as it were. So an author and all that.

But yeah, they kind of both reminded me of like these sweet old grandpas in the UFO world. So I will say that I truly valued the limited time I had with Von Denneken. He has left a huge imprint on the world of UFOs and beyond. And he will be missed. So rest in peace, my friend, rest in peace. I do want to wish all of you a very happy New Year. year. No, we were not able to do a live stream last week, our kind of UFOs of 2025 episode. I am currently in Hawaii, and we had a really bad storm that knocked out a bunch of power

and Wi-Fi throughout the islands, and I wasn't able to make it happen, so I do apologize for that. But thank you. Thank you for your patience and your understanding as we navigate this weird world tour that I'm on. I'm in Hawaii for about another one. week and then I'm going to be heading to Osaka, Japan for about a month. All throughout Japan, actually. We're going to be hitting the island from like tip to tip as my partner, Jane, continues her PhD studies over in Japan. I'm really looking forward to going and researching some Japanese UFO cases.

I actually got in touch with a fellow somewhere in the sky's listener and UFO. enthusiast that lives in Osaka. So he and I are going to go on a Japanese UFO trek while I'm there. First up, Nara, Nara, Japan. Look it up. UFO hotspot. Love that place. Cute deer, big temples, UFO hotspot. I cannot wait.

I see all of you in the chat, all our regulars. Amazing. Thank you so much for being here, guys. I truly do appreciate it with bullet bourbon frontier whiskey Love it, love it You want a good Japanese whiskey Centauri

Centauri is so good We started serving it at the bar I worked at in New York Right before I moved away And it was by far one of my favorites You guys know We have a code word at every live stream And what I ask you guys to do

Is to go to Apple podcasts And rate and review The Summer on the Sky's podcast and somewhere in your review, put this code word. Or if you listen on Spotify, go on over to Spotify. And in the comments of this episode, in the future, when it's a podcast, put the code word somewhere in your comments as well. So your code word for today is reckoning that is going to play a role in the UFO news this week.

So once again, guys, if you can, it helps us out tremendously over a couple. somewhere in the skies. Go to Apple Podcasts. Go to Spotify. And in your review or your comments, put the code word reckoning. We will read your reviews and your comments on the next live stream and on the podcast. Last time, your code word is reckoning. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So let's bring them in because I have completely butchered this intro. I know they're going to be much more eloquent and have much more important things to say. So, as always, welcome back. Suzanne Landers and Dan Zetterstrom. What's up, guys? Hi. Hello. I can't stop thinking of lost in translation now because, you know, for a good time, it's sensory time. Yep, exactly. I haven't watched that movie

in forever. I'm going to have to go back and watch it. For some reason, that I'm going to be that guy. love it. I love it. It's the, it's those things that stick with you. You never know. You never truly know. The only thing I ever really remember about Japan is, um, the last samurai. That's how, uh, white washed and filtered my expertise on Japan is. Yeah. A white guy becoming a samurai. Yep. Exactly, man. Exactly. Um, well, welcome both of you a very happy new year. Uh, before we get to some more stuff. Um, how were your new year? What did you guys do? How did you celebrate? Suzanne, how about you? Oh, my gosh. Well, we're back out in Santa Fe, just in time for a couple of huge snowstorms.

So we're slowly thawing out here. We had a wonderful group of friends over for New Year's Eve and a quiet evening. It was just wonderful. I hope you all had a good one too. Awesome. Dan, how about you, buddy? So Elena and I were actually traveling in an RV back from C and family in Florida. So we ended up in the middle of these woods, in Nowezville, with a zip slide. So that's how I spent Christmas, you know? Oh, my God. Can't complain a zip slide for Christmas, right? I love that, man.

Welcome to America, right? Well, honestly, dude, like, I know you're overseas now. You're now in the U.S., so I want to give you a big, party, warm welcome. I know you moved there a little while ago, but how does it go? What is that transition like going from? I did the opposite. So, we swapped.

We tagged out, right? Yeah. Yeah, the transition's been long and expensive. Like I'd say about two and a half years, at least $3,000. And it's still going. It'll go for five years, you know, to actually get to become a resident. Right now, I have a permanent resident. And it's been interesting having to rebuild your life at 40 years old.

Because all those little points of like getting a bank account, getting, you know, health kind of covered, getting phone, getting credit cards, getting house, getting, you know, all those things that will spread out through your life. But I had to do them all in one go. So silver lining, though, I know where all my own paperwork is. And you know, those big things matter and they're hard. But the little things are really disconcerting as well, like, okay, where is the best grocery store? And where do they keep the yogurt in that grocery store? And where's the dry cleaner? And how does this ATM? work. I mean, it's so different. And so all the cheese gets moved on the plate. It's very

disconcerted. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then finding foods like taste similar and stuff like that as well. The bread's more sugary here. So it's like, okay, can I get something closer? Beans are totally different. Just little things like that that you just have to adjust. And we put ranch dressing on everything. Yep. Get used to that. You're going to have to just adjust to that. There's no it is. It's so right, though, Suzanne. It's the small thing. Like, you know, if I had like indigestion in the UK, I was like looking everywhere for Tums, you know, what we call them in America. And I'm like, where are the Tums? I can't find the Tums. And like, oh, you're looking for Rennies. You need Rennies. So I was like, what is a Rennie? You know, it's where do you get that?

Exactly. Exactly. You know, cough medicine is called chesty cough. So it's just again, these little things that get, quote, lost in translation or as it were. Nice. Good. Yeah. I tried, Dan. I tried. It was good. I liked it. Cool. Well, you both have been up to some very exciting things. So before we break down the UFO-UAP-related news,

I want to give a shout out here to our good friend, Christian. Thank you so much for the super chat, buddy. Happy New Year from Denmark. Thank you, my friend. Thank you so much for being here. be sure to check out his work over at the UAPDB, I believe it is. Yeah, UAPDB. There we go. So, Dan, I have been binging your podcast as of late.

What you're doing is incredibly unique in the UFO field. I'm so happy that you have created this podcast, that you're giving voices and a platform to people that we don't hear from in the UFO field often. And again, bringing a more human touch to all of this, which, of course, is something I'd been advocating for for decades at this point. So can you tell us a little bit about what it means to be human, your podcast? And yeah, tell us a little about why you started it and maybe some of your guests and what the true mission is of the podcast. Yeah, for sure. Well, firstly, I'll say that you actually inspired me in a lot of ways for this with your approach to the,

the human issue. And I know we often talk about witness of another world, the movie, and how that kind of focuses on the heart of the human's journey as opposed to this object that lands. And that was kind of a guidance star for me, you know, to really kind of capture the awe and the profound impact it has on people's lives. Because everyone thinks it's just fun, right? And it's not like you'll know better than anyone. This stuff really affects people, you know, to the point where one day there'll be a normal functioning. citizen of whatever country they're in and, you know, they'll have their life together and then they'll have an event like this and their whole life has blown apart.

They can't go to work. They can't go to school anymore. They can't, you know, go hang out with their friends at the bar like they used to, like just life changes. And so it was nice to kind of try and capture that, you know, in a series of shows. So, yeah, we came up with what it means to be human. It's been in development. I'd say for about four years.

Anything creative for me? I just leave it at the back of my mind until everything like slots in place and then I'm ready to go. So even when I was traveling to Mexico, like this was called color and outside the lines. And I was like trying to get my guests lined up and stuff. But yeah, finally, September, we got going. My co-host Rose is also producing it. She's been amazing. So it's kind of a US, UK, Canada co-production. And Roz's background is working with Indigenous peoples, women in the military and stuff like that.

So she's all about lifting people up. So she fitted real well with the mission. And really, it's about when we talk about UFOs and aliens and anything really that's like out there in the universe, there's this question that keeps coming up. And if you go through UFO interviews, you'll hear it. You know, like it was in age of disclosure. It's in the phenomena. Most interviews, Lou does. He says it.

Same with trends. Same with Hal Putoff. Same with all these figures. They all say, you know, this is about what it means to be human. Yet no one ever asked that question. So I was like, okay, that's the mission of this show is to hold the mirror up and say, okay, what does this phenomenon say about us? How does it make us think of ourselves and define ourselves?

And it's been really interesting because every single guest, you know, from we've had Richard Hattam, the writer of the Mothman Propheasies movie, Geraldine Sutton Stiff, the daughter of one of the witnesses of the Kelly's, Hopkinsville Goblin Encounter, you know, back in the 50s, I think it was. We've had whale biologists, you know, people that work for the UAPTF, Sarah Gam, and also like an awesome exclusive interview from 2016, never before seen with Stanton Friedman, which was really cool to be able to put up on the channel. And all of them talk about what it is to be, what it means to be a human. And they all have such different answers, right? Like some of them

about compassion and reaching across the aisle and trying to look the person in the eye and understand they're as complex and multifaceted as you are instead of just seeing people, like the algorithms want us to see them, right? Like one belief and that's all they are. But then other people, like Richard, I loved his answer. He just picked his dog up and went, that dog, me human. And I was like, great. That's a valid answer.

So there's a lot of humor. There's a lot of heart. You know, Sarah almost moved me to tears when she was telling me about the bullying. she experienced in the community from some very high profile figures in the community when she came out rather than just asking the question. So it's been nice to, yeah, just focus on that human element and try and give people some kind of catharsis talking about their encounters. I love that, man. And a lot, it's so much of a perspective. You know, I am often, I actually put this on my social media recently. I'm often critical of,

of my home country, America. And I've been extremely vocal in the past about that. For obvious reasons, the United States is in a very precarious place right now in many, many different ways. And every country deals with their own things. But I went to the Pearl Harbor Memorial here in Hawaii. I'd never been there before. I figured this was now the time to do it finally. You know, I have my future in-laws live here and everything,

and they're always pushing me to go there and be like, oh, it's so cool. And I'm like, I don't know, seems a little, uh, whatever. I went and, dude, it, like, it reminded me of what it is to be human. It reminded me what it is to be an American even. And I know that might rub some people the wrong way. But when they went there, they said, like, this isn't just a memorial paying tribute to all the lives that were lost. For hundreds of these men, it was actually their grave.

Like, they are still down there. They were never recovered. They were never put to rest anywhere else. And even members of the crew that survived and eventually did pass away, their request was to be buried with their fellow shipmates at the Pearl Harbor Memorial as well. So that really, that really hit me. It reminded me that no matter what a country goes through, there will always be a reckoning and there will always be a time to change. And I think that's beautiful. And it did remind me of what it means to be a human and a where I come from. And it did make me proud. I can't lie. So yeah, I think

it is very important to keep those things in mind when we're arguing and bickering and all that stuff online. So, yeah, I don't know what I'm really trying to say other than I did feel very human and it put me back in my shoes. And I think that's what you're doing best over there at the show. So I want to thank you. And I can't wait to listen to future episodes. Oh, thank you. Well, I'll give you a little tease for future episodes. I've recorded two interviews for season two already. I know one of the gentlemen you've spoken. to Michael Avon Oming, the author of Blue Book and Red Book. So, you know, I've had him on and we're talking about worldwide cases and, you know,

very concerned with what it is to be human and how this reflects us. But then the other guest that I had that I was very surprised by, and it was a great chat. I had the actor Michael Ian Black. He was in Superman just this past year, Wet Hot American Summer. They came together. Have I got news for you? He does so much. And he was so insightful.

And he was just turning that lens back on. us and kind of going, you know, what does this say about us? What do these conflicts say about us? And if you actually look at, you know, something like the Pearl Harbor Memorial, and it should turn something in you that makes you kind of go, I see the direction we should be going instead of the death and destruction, you know, and I think that's something that's a part of all of us. Even people who right now are online, you know, whether the guy protected himself when he shot that lady. Or actually, they murdered that lady. that that's about what it means to be human as well, right? You know, there'll be chains of people

behind him that have taught him how to be in the world. And we've got to remember that we're responsible for each other and for how we give each other baggage to kind of carry into the world as well. Absolutely. I think that you can't discount the role of kindness in being a human. Most of the most valuable things that end up happening are related to simple kindnesses. You know, we can't all do the great big thing. We can all do the small kind thing. That is so true, Susan. I just read a story just yesterday about a guy that worked at a pizza place that was near a woman shelter.

And whenever they got a call from the woman shelter, they would refuse to accept money. And they would just take the food out to them. You know, it's little things like that. Perfect. They've just changed lives in such big ways. And I often think if we as a species could focus more. on prioritizing kindness and understanding instead of destruction and disagreement. What a different planet we would have.

Yeah, absolutely. Right. Well, we're going to be nice tonight. We are going to be critical, but we're going to be nice. Oh, that's for sure. We're going to see spicy Ryan in just a little while, everybody. We might. We might.

Well, I like to say, I like to say what it means. to be human does lean to kindness and compassion, but that doesn't mean you have to be walked all over. And sometimes it's the right choice to speak up and be critical when someone is... Sometimes knows the right answer. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Doesn't have to be ugly, doesn't have to be hateful. No means no, whether you've yelled it or you've whispered it. Precisely. Well said. Well said. Um, awesome, Dan. Well, thanks for sharing that with us. Suzanne, you've been busy as well. I've been getting photos left and right and a little, uh, behind the scenes tour of the National UFO Historical Research Center, which you went to just a

couple days ago. Yesterday. It was just yesterday. Good Lord. Yes. We're some different time zones. Yeah. Well, tell us, we're going to do an in-depth, I think, discussion on it on a later show about

what you discovered there, some of the things that you looked at. But give us that overall experience of what it was like going to the. the center. Was David Marler there when you were there? And yeah, what was that experience? Most of the day with him yesterday. My husband, Bill, was along. And first of all, I just don't have enough superlatives. I mean, I could actually get teary about it. I don't have enough superlatives for David and for David's vision and for the incredibly detailed hard work and important work that he and New Fork is New Forks is a synonym or whatever you call that. Not synonym. What's the right word?

Accordid. I knew what you meant. We're a work. Dan and I were talking briefly ahead of going live today, but he's been out to visit David. And all of these documents that David had started gathering for this archive were in basically the equivalent of a basement or a garage or something. Well, now, he is located in just outside of Albuquerque in a little place called Rio Rancho, which is just a suburb of the giant city of Albuquerque, about 50 minutes away from me here in Santa Fe. So we drove down yesterday, and the Albuquerque school system, which I think is an incredible thing,

gave him two buildings on their property, complete with security, bulletproof glass, special access assistance, all of these things. And in these two buildings, I have never seen so many UFO documents in my life. I don't have the words. And when we do this more in-depth thing later, or maybe we do it on Facebook, we'll get the photos out. Shelves and shelves and shelves. And it's not just paper, although the paper, all of which is original, is incredible. and early, early, early years through current Mufan. I have now touched gentlemen, original blue book files.

Oh, jealous. I know. And the real to real is the things he is having to do to preserve an archive and digitize and then share, which is his goal publicly, you will in about two years be able to click into his system and search however you want. on a search for all of these documents. And he has some incredible stories. And I think there's a whole podcast episode in what he has been through with some of these. Here's a brief one.

And then I know we'll move on. But he was meeting with the DOD some years ago on something irrelevant. And the person with whom he was meeting was late. And so if it's just sitting, you know, twiddling his thumbs, waiting on this guy to show up. and there are boxes and boxes of little orange Kodak reels, the old kind of reel to reel that our grandparents had. And they're all marked like Blue Book and this and that and all this stuff. And so David's looking in this box and the guy walks in and he says,

oh, we're about to incinerate all this. Any chance you could use it? No one goes to Hank's first spreadsheets. They go for a darn good pizza. Lately, though, the shop's been quiet. So Hank decides to bring back the $1 slice. He asks Copilot in Microsoft Excel to look at his sales and costs to help him see if he can afford it.

Co-pilot shows Hank where the money's going and which little extras make the dollar slice work. Now, Hank says, line out the door. Hank makes the pizza. Co-Pilot handles the spreadsheets. Learn more at M365Copilot.com slash work. Oh, my God. my god and david said i will take these with me thank you you know and so he has those they would have been

destroyed oh my god they were set generation later that day i i love that story and i don't know if you can see ryan i've shared my screen with you of a picture of these things oh there you go from when i went to see david and yeah these are the files and i always bring up this story too because it shows that you don't need to be maliciously destroying these files. It's just clearing out. It's red tape. It's the usual, you know, like really innocuous kind of things. But this guy was there and he got these.

And if you want, I can run through some of the other photos here too. Oh, yeah. Sure. This is a setup where he's digitizing everything, like taking the old recordings from NYCAP, places like that and digitizing them. Oh, stop right there one second because I have a great story involving this equipment. So David is having to go very, very carefully through these reels. And some of them are from the 40s and 50s that age. So they've been in basements or addicts or whatever. So they're very, very fragile. So David has a system. He would pop one on, listen for a little while, kind of get his bearings in it, and then rewind it and then run it again and hit record because he runs it through the software that is digitizing it, which will all have access to. later. So he's writing on a little post-it note as he is running one of these reels for the

listening phase only. And he didn't realize it at the time, but he had accidentally hit record. And so he's writing on this, and record may not be the right word, but duplicate or whatever. He's writing on this post-it note. And all of a sudden there's like a little snowstorm of brown flex covering, he's looking, it's like everywhere. And he looks up. And he looks up. up and the reel is literally disintegrating. Oh, no. And if he had done his normal listen for a while, it would have been gone. It would have been for the best audio he's ever done, but he got it.

And so, you know, lesson learned, hit record and listen. No more previews. Let's get it. Yep. The one and done. Exactly. Well, and I mean, you know, it goes to show. I mean, we played it on the podcast maybe six months ago.

You know, he had a audio recording between Lee Spiegel and Jesse Marcel, Sr., that had never been heard before. I don't believe maybe in some circles, research circles, but publicly, I'd never been heard before. And Jesse Marcel Sr. talked about, you know, things that had never been brought up in the Roswell. case before or had been buried for a really long time. And he said he also had a UFO sighting out near the crash site as well at some point. So, I mean, it's just incredible. It's incredible. Dan, this is such cool footage. We're a little great job, Dan, great. Thank you. I've never actually used it for anything. I just kind of took it. And this was what I was saying, like, you know,

it's not, it's not a garage, but it's more of a set up space, but also, you know, there's so much here. One of my favorite items was actually this. And that, This is David got the original print of the, you know, the Knights of, I forget, Battle of L.A. wasn't it? Battle of L.A., yeah. Supposedly these lights are pointing up and you can see a craft illuminated. But so that was the image that was released to the public. Yep. That people think, oh, we can see a saucer just here.

But then you'll see now when I pan over to the original that was untreated, you can see the major difference in the pictures. Wow. you know, with that object there in the middle, you know, there's something there, but it's not as big as it was in the other picture. And this is why I love a triangular craft. Sorry to interrupt. Right. Yeah.

And, you know, this is Kenneth Arnold's original drawing of the craft that he saw. Wow. You know, they're all there. So these are good examples, these paper documents. So for every one of these, some archivists, which is all volunteer for the most part, has to handle carefully. They have to remove every staple. You know, back in the 30s, 40s, 50s, probably 60s,

they were using that old glue with the rubber tip thing. Y'all may be too young to remember that. But you just pressed it down and slid it across paper and glue came out. Well, it destroys everything that it touches in time. So all of that is having to be handled with archival material by hand. This is not something AI can do. must be in the room handling these things. So the volume of work, I bet, Dan, I bet that David has three, four and a half foot tall file cabinets of Spiegel's documents. I don't know how. And now,

you see all how crowded these rooms are. He now has two full buildings, like those giant open, bigger than a classroom, like two classrooms sizes of an typical American classroom full. One, is entirely a sorting station for all the things. And it's just covered in documents that have to be hand handled. That's amazing. My final, go ahead, Dan, go ahead. I was just going to say what the thing the blue my member was there, apart from those, you know, that Battle of LA and the Kenneth Arnold drawings, this one he just got in. And basically he was telling us that like way back when UFO investigations were done, people would take things out of the archives that were established and they wouldn't sign them out so they'd go missing.

So part of what he's doing is trying to get all these files back together in one place. And, you know, he's finding success with it. And this was a sheet that he'd only got in the week before I went there. And it's all the original notes on Zamora's case out in Hattorra. Speaking of Lonnie's, yeah, did you guys know there was another event very much like Lonnie's right down the road about 20 minutes north of here in a little place called La Madera? Well, Ryan's, get ready because I am swee. switching my torture from the subject of Colaris to La Madeira.

And I'm headed there tomorrow to check it out for myself about 30 minutes down the road. And he has all the original documents for that because I think that would be an interesting. And that's what you want, right? Like this one, you know, we were able to pinpoint exactly, you know, from these notes where it was. And we went. And the actual memorial that is there for this particular landing is in the wrong spot. It's in the wrong spot. It's in the wrong spot.

So because we had that, we were able to find where it was. Yeah. That's, Dan, I'm so glad you said that. That's the same with Rodswell. Everyone, I'm like, people will come to me and be like, yo, I made it to the site where the plaque is. I'm like, oh, you didn't. Yeah. The plaque is like 50 miles away from where the actual impact site was.

Right. Yeah. Like, that's, that's how we learn. That is how we learn. You know, it's the same way, Dan, me. me, Graham, a lot of the guys over in the UK, we've all had opportunities or will in the future to visit the alleged Calvin UFO photo location. But we don't know for sure if that is the exact location. So it takes things like this to continue trying to find the precise locations of these things so that we can possibly try to find evidence and whatnot.

So wow, that map, ooh, that map gave me the shivers. And I have similar things, photos of similar things for La Madera, New Mexico. Oh, see? We're going to be breaking a story. Very same tools tomorrow, trying to put my feet on the ground in the right place. But keep your eyes somewhere in the skies. I had you. Sorry.

Nice. Wait, is that the end of the show? I know. Too sure. Close it out, everybody. You can visit and you can research on site. You have to have an appointment, but he's got a very easy to use website. So look him up.

But more importantly, you can help. You can donate. And so scroll to the bottom of the first page and just click the donate button. And if it's $10 or $100 or $100, whatever it is, you can do. Five bucks, do it. Because there is no one else on this planet doing what David Marler and this association is doing by gathering, preserving, digitizing, and sharing for the entire planet. Absolutely. I will in retrospect here.

I'll put a link up to David's website for the center. Guys, check it out if you can. But book your book your reservations. Yes. It's becoming the UFO Disneyland. I'm telling you. It's something. Yep, yep.

Wow, guys, I should have known this would happen with you two Webway people. We're 30 minutes in and we haven't even started the UFO news. Let's do it. I'm being quiet now. No, no. This is amazing. This is amazing. We're going to start with a very exciting story

that Andy over at that UFO podcast was able to tease right before it was announced. He was the first to speak to James Fox about this. Chris Ramsey did a wonderful interview with James Fox as well. I highly suggest people go check that one out. But James Fox has re-released his film moment of contact with over 30 new minutes of conference. content and material. Moment of contact, New Revelations is the title of that. And just,

I believe, yesterday or maybe the night before, he announced a press conference that will be taking place in Washington, D.C. at the National Press Club. I'm going to read just a little bit here, and then I can't wait to hear your guys thoughts on this. January 20th at the National Press Club in Washington, James Fox will be hosting a conference with witnesses, experts, and members of Congress, it will focus on firsthand testimony about the 1996 Farhina incident in Brazil for the first time ever Brazilian neurosurgeon Italo Venturelli will publicly describe to the public, will publicly describe to the public, Ryan. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Describe his direct hospital contact with a living non-human being, following reports of a crashed object.

at the capture of entities by Brazilian authorities. He will be joined by forensic pathologist Armando Fortunato, who will release an autopsy report tied to a police officer who died after an encounter, along with other witnesses and officials. The case centered on Varhina has been included, has long included claims that crash debris and at least one living creature was transferred out of Brazil with, U.S. military involvement.

James Fox has studied this case for a very long time with this press conference. The American portion of the event places the Varhina testimony within a broader context of post-2020 whistleblower discussions in the U.S. where intelligence insiders have alleged secret programs are covering crashed, craft, and non-human biologics. Speakers will argue that releasing evidence related to biological specimens poses no national security risk and will urge the executive branch to ease clearance restrictions so insiders can brief Congress more fully and speak more publicly. So there you go, guys.

We got the first page of the press release. Everyone was like waiting for James to publish the rest of the press release. They're like, cool, cool, cool, yeah, where's the rest? He has posted those online. A lot of what I read there was from the press release as well, he is on the ground now in Washington, I believe, getting ready for this stuff. Or he might actually be in Brazil. I know he was going there to do a talk or something. So this dude is bouncing all over. I'm currently writing a chapter on James Fox in my upcoming book

and trying to get this guy to answer one simple question of what his favorite color is has been impossible. He is a high-energy guy. He is. I love him, love him to death. I will be talking all about my adventure with him in the highlands of Scotland when we went to do that Calvin thing. It was something happened while we were there that I haven't really publicly shared. But it is like a John Grisham novel come to life.

It was crazy, crazy. But you'll have to buy the book to read your book. You grifter. Yeah, I know. What a grifter. I will happily support your work, man. Oh, thanks, buddy. Thank you. Thank you. But all of this being said, what do you guys make of this press conference? Dan, let's start with you, buddy. Now I know you've spoken to James a lot as well. Yeah, you're going to, you and you guys going to head over to Washington for this or what's going on? Well, actually not. Something came up for us this week where we have to go. There's a bit of a medical emergency with family. So we're rushing to go do that. Otherwise we would be. But yes, national press club minus Korea equals, yay, for me.

It's about time we had another one of these. You know, Luna and everyone have been threatened in field hearings for a long while now and they haven't happened. Finally, it looks like we're getting one. You know, thank you to James and everyone that's organized this. I'm curious about the Virginia witnesses because as much as I love the documentary, there are some stories that have changed over the years. But I'm even more curious about the kind of overarching second part, the whistleblower, post-203, and who could show up to talk about that,

whether it be Dylan Borland, Matthew Brown, Lou Alizondo, Chris Mellon, Jay Stratton, those are people that I would expect to be there, but I don't think the guests have been confirmed there yet. And then obviously with stuff that's happened this week, with David Grush pointing at Clapper, James Clapper, we would obviously love him there, kind of opening up and talking about it, but we just don't know.

But yeah, a little concern around changing stories with the Virginia thing for me. But ultimately, I'm really looking forward to. I've known about this for a little while now. You might have seen me tease it with a wink-wink, nudge, can't actually say anything because, you know, it's just people, you want people to have that vacuum where they can organize it without the trolls kicking at their heels, right?

So I'm real glad it's happening, and I can't think of a better person to put it in the hands off than the coat, James Fox, you know. Absolutely, man. Absolutely. I made the mistake of teasing it as well on Twitter. And I think after about 30 minutes, I deleted the tweet because the trolls just came out. Yeah, I should have known. I should have. They don't like people being happy. Right? I know. I know. After that kindness, yeah. Suzanne, what are your thoughts on the press comments? What are you looking forward to?

I'm so looking forward to it. I want us to think about live streaming. Maybe if we're able, but I think the way that James puts his material together is brilliant. And very lawyer-like. The lawyer in me sees exactly how he's setting his structure and then layering his facts on top of that. So I just think there couldn't be a better filmmaker tackling this topic on this case in particular because I think this case could be the game changer. I do. I think that, you know, when someone like a neurosurgeon steps out of their comfort zone with absolutely everything to lose and tells their truth about what they interacted with after all these years, especially after his own loss of his partner and his own, I think he had a heart attack. You know, and there are actually special legal evidentiary rules around statements that come after those kinds of.

of things. And the law gives more credence to those statements because there is sort of like a deathbed confession sort of thing that's more technical than, I mean, it's more technical than that. But for me, in the legal framework, when I see the picture, all of the indicia of reliability and honesty is there. So I'm really looking very forward to it. It's interesting. I'm glad you said that. I didn't know that. That like those have more credence. within the law. I think we should also keep in mind, yeah, yeah, that this is a still active working neurosurgeon. So he, there's a lot of risk there. And he lost his job a minute. They snatched him out of there for a second and then put him back in. Yeah, put him back in. So that says a lot to you in my personal

opinion. Now, I do agree with Dan. It is interesting why he changed his story, but James has explained that, that this possible deathbed confession or being. faced with the possibility of that has made him rethink things and what he wants to get out before the inevitable. I mean, I, oh my gosh, God bless her heart. I worked with a girl who she has made this public, so I think I can say this. I worked with a woman on one of my ghost hunting shows, and just a week ago, she had a heart attack. I mean, she's my age. And it was, you know, she survived. She's doing good. She's been released from the hospital.

But, you know, I can already see her. Yeah, re-examining her life. And it does, Suzanne. And you more than anyone would know that. Yes, been right there. And that's why the law gives these kinds of things more credence than if it just happens as you're walking down the street. It puts it in a context that's quite different and quite dramatic. Yeah, absolutely.

For those who didn't see, Suzanne did share her near-due. death experience with us, out-of-body experience. On the live stream a couple weeks ago, you can go back and listen to that. I cannot thank you enough for trusting us with that as well. But yeah, it changes everything. I can only imagine. Yeah. And the kind messages that I have gotten, they're still rolling in.

Yes. Same. I appreciate people actually thinking it through with me, right? Yep. Absolutely. We're there with you. We are there with you. And that's worth, like, I just want to highlight that more because, you know, people have these

experiences and they're reluctant to talk about it because of the reception. And then very often, you know, when you're someone with your head screwed on, like you seem to be, Suzanne, you know, you go towards the good energy and you ignore the bad energy. But, you know, when finally. And then you get those your age and you just don't care anymore. They can go do it. Right. Right. Exactly. Regrettably, or for better or worse, that I am there. And so it takes. It takes. it takes a lot of courage to share these stories in the first place. So when I say, you know, I'm concerned about changing stories,

it just means it's a little question in the back of my head that I think has been addressed and, you know, it is. It's essentially what it means to be human, right? We change and we kind of have an adjusted moral compass as we go. But also, you know, in South America, that's so accepting of all this phenomenon stuff. And you can see it at the beginning of the movie when James goes into the town and there are like statues of this red-eyed creature.

and he just stands there with signs and he has the locals come up to him talking about it. So it's very clear to me that something happened here. Absolutely. And we're just clearing up the story. I think so. It's not just for Hena. It's also very similar reaction to both military, local police, local professionals like doctors in the Colaris incidences that went on for several months.

And one doctor, one female doctor in particular just spoke truth to power and said, will not lie to my community about what has been happening. We've all seen it. We know what's happening. So move along. So makes a big difference. Yeah, it really does. It really does. And we went out to Columbia and did a UFO investigation there and there were these lights on a mountain. And people would talk to talk about them being like tic tacks and saucers. One person even said that they'd witnessed Mary Magdalene walking down the street with the orbs rotating around her, kind of similar to if you imagine Mario in Mario Kart with a... shells going around, like think that and but Mary in the middle and the herbs around her.

So there were all these stories and no one had ever filmed this like phenomenon on the mountain and we got to film it. So there are these active UAP laboratories just spread throughout South America that people aren't investigating and I'm like, I just want to shake scientists and be like, come on, like, why? It's either ball line or it's like, what are you going. And you know what it comes down to? It means to be human. Right. All of these experiences. UFO, non-human intelligence, near-death, paranormal, what it comes down to be a human. Absolutely. Dan, is phenomenology, is that available anywhere right now?

I'm actually pointing it up on the Patreon. So patreon.com forward slash to be human show or what it means to be human. I forget which one. But if you go through my bio on any social media or the link to behuman show.com, you'll find it. And it's free. I haven't put it behind a paywall area for anyone to watch if they head on up to that page. So there's two seasons of documentary there for free for you guys. Awesome, man.

Well, yeah, everyone go view that. And then, you know, throw the guys some bones, guys. He's putting a lot of work into this stuff. Help some work. Exactly, exactly. Awesome, guys. Well, let's move to our next story. Dan did tease this a little bit.

David Grush has been back in the news recently. recently for two different reasons. This is actually pretty interesting, both on very different wavelengths when it comes to how he's being portrayed in the media. David Grush was recently interviewed on the Megan Kelly show about his thoughts on the Age of Disclosure documentary that recently released, a documentary that he was glaringly missing from, which I'm sure we will touch on as well. But yeah, he had some things to say about the documentary, how it ties to the claims that he has brought forward

in the past few years and in front of Congress and behind closed-door meetings as well. I'm going to try to play this video. It's a brief clip from it from the Megan Kelly thing. You guys let me know if it's working or not. My connection hasn't been incredible. But let me try to play this Megan Kelly clip. And if it doesn't work, someone let me know in the chat or the private chat.

But let's try to watch this short clip here. Program called the Legacy Program that has really seems to have been trying to hide the most shocking pieces of what we know from even the UAP task force. And I did want to point out General Clapper, the Form. D&I in the documentary. I certainly applaud him for at least speaking out in general. He goes on, I believe, I've only seen clips of age of disclosure, not the whole thing, where there was a program when he was the Director of National Intelligence, where they were tracking these vehicles over Area 51, of course the famed classified test location. And I'm a little disappointed as a fellow Air Force officer and certainly General Clapper rose to the ranks as

three-star general, that's all he said in the documentary, that that was a program he was aware of. In fact, without being inappropriate, I will say that General Clapper was well aware of the crash retrieval issue, managed the crash retrieval issue. And when he was the DNI, USDI, DIA director, he placed people in critical roles to manage this issue both publicly and I'll just say non-publicly as well. And I'll allow the audience distill what I'm saying at the risk of being inappropriate or going too far with my discussion. So General Clapper, Stephanie O'Sullivan, other folks in the IC that are well aware of this issue, that we're in rooms discussing this issue.

I ask you to be greater leaders on this. I should not be the only former military officer and intelligence official that is being completely candid with the information that they were exposed to. So perhaps once again, James Clapper understates what he knows and what he's done. Okay. So let's briefly go over who Clapper is. He was the Director of National Intelligence from 2010 to 2017 under President Obama. This would have put him in charge of intelligence apparatuses right up until the release of the Pentagon UFO program article in the New York Times.

So yeah, this is pretty interesting. Name and names, finally, of who could possibly have been managing the UAP legacy programs. And he mentions Area 51 as well. That always perks our ears in that, you know, in the age of disclosure, Clapper says, yeah, I was kind of aware of it. And Grush is coming out and say, dude, you were literally managing the program that was aware. Come on, dude. So what do you guys think?

What do you make of this story? Clapper needs to step up and do the right thing. Okay, okay. It's really clear. I love that. I mean, I agree. Clapper has been on kind of the edges of this discussion for a while now. I know Lou Alizondo has spoken about him a bunch.

You know, bigged him up, said he was a friend, you know, and that he was supportive of the effort. for transparency. And, yeah, good that he's an age of disclosure. But if he's who Grush is saying he is, there's a lot more he can bring to this table. And it just seems like at one side of his mouth, he's kind of going, yeah, there are some odd things

that we should address. And then on the other hand, he's the one hiding those skeletons in the closet. Bit of a synable mission. Right. Yes. And in this as well, know, he points out, Stephanie O'Sullivan, who we know was involved at the head of one of the

agencies when James Ryder was trying to do this Lockheed technology transfer to the Bigelow group with OSAP of this exotic material. So I feel like, you know, we're kind of almost entering a new era where instead of just they have secrets, it's James Clapper has secrets. And that's actionable. You know, we can subpoena James Clapper to come and testify in a hearing. Whether he'd tell the truth, I don't know, because I guess most of these people. Right. You can FOIA that too. So like I say, just actionable stuff has come from this.

And Grush, I mean, he really gives interviews, but he shows up for 10 minutes and just lights a fire and draw all our asses again. Like, we need more of him. I agree. And I do see him as situated a little bit differently than everyone else in the discussion. He has some strategic legal concerns out there that the other people don't have. have some are similar. I think the whistleblowers share many things. But I also think his litigation with Loudoun County and what happened to him personally and the lawyers involved in all of that are probably urging a little caution. And I bet this is as far as he could take it today,

or not today, but, you know, in this moment. Yeah. Interesting. He's always been careful, right? He's always said, you know, I'm working with Dobser and the stuff I'm telling you. And if I remember correctly, he even says, like, no, no, I got this all signed up from Dobsar. I'm not. saying anything I'm not meant to here. So, you know, people argue over who is a whistleblower, who isn't a whistleblower. Fact is, David Grush has gone through the process of whistleblowing. So he is absolutely a whistleblower.

Some of the other people that we talk about, you know, icy agents that kind of coming forward sharing this stuff, haven't gone through that process. So they might not be whistleblowers in the technical sense, but more in the colloquial sense. But it's great to have Grush back. and yeah, Grush Hour is always a fun time. Crushing it with Grush Hour. I love it.

I love it. Well, we're not done with him. No, we're not. This is the interesting part. Yeah, I know. Things get more spicy. And I'm really interested to hear what you have to say about this next part. I don't know what to make of it yet.

That's why I need you two to kind of help me understand this. Now, you guys mentioned whistleblowers. Susan, you mentioned reprisals and whatnot. You are personally dealing directly with people like this, if not these people, when it comes to the Disclosure Foundation and the group that you have with other attorneys working with these quote-unquote whistleblowers. And something came out over at the Black Vault with John Greenwald, as Andy at that UFO podcast, called him the CIA King. Little Freud Moons clip. That was hilarious. I was like, I was running at the time and he called him the CIA

King and I stopped and just started dying laughing. Wow. I love, I love when you guys do those breakdowns. The FOIA king, as it were, came, he got these documents, which were released to him surprisingly quick compared to how long they usually take. to get stuff to John Greenwald. This stuff came within like six months, where sometimes it takes like two years.

And this story we're about to talk to dropped literally the day after the Megyn Kelly interview. So suss to say the least, we love you, John Greenwald. Yeah, I know. Nothing against John Greenwald, but it is interesting that they release these documents to him right on the heels of Grush,

now going public again with a lot of things. So this next story is titled, the DOD is calling out Grush's claims of whistleblower retaliations. A heavily redacted Department of Defense Inspector General report released on January 7th shows that the U.S. military formally investigated a whistleblower complaint tied to UFO reporting and closed the case in February of 2025. The complaint claimed that a government employee lost his security clearance in retaliation for reporting U.S. AP related information to the inspectors. Although the person's name is blacked out, the timing and details closely match public whistleblower filings connected to David Gresh, though the report itself does not confirm this.

Investigators acknowledged the individual, made several legally protected disclosures, but concluded those disclosures did not cause the clearance revocation. Instead, the IG said the decision was based on a patent. of quote, workplace misconduct and was not retaliation and ruled the complaint unproven. Last little chunk here. The report also offers a rare behind the scenes to look at how confusing and sensitive these cases can actually be. Internal messages show officials questioning what actually counted as whistleblowing and worrying about how the situation might look publicly while the case was still unfolding. Even so, the employee later won an appeal and had his top secret

clearance restored in early 2023, after presenting mitigating information separate from the whistleblower issue. Large portions of the report remain hidden, including 44 pages blacked out completely. Shout out Stanton T. Friedman. Making independent verification very difficult Still, the release is significant because it provides one of the clearest official records to date on how UAP-related whistleblower claims are handled. And how high the bar is for proving retaliation. So I just spewed a lot there, guys, but break this down for me. Like, what do you make of this? Is this just another attack on David Grush?

Or what is going on here? Suzanne, as an attorney, you're working with people. people like this. What is going on here? What do you make of this? Go straight to the bottom line. Were the privileges that were stripped of him restored or not? And they were. And so I think you can chase the rabbits through the burns as much as we want to. Bottom line is they were forced to make things right somewhere and some appellate process. And they did. And I think, you know, I know the crowd's tired of hearing me say this, and I'm truly not a conspiracy theorist. However, I think for a significant period of time, we have been in a fairly powerful disinformation

bubble. And I see this as one more piece of that bubble. No way. I know people whose foias have been out there almost three years, unresponded to at all. And in, I think it was seven months. And at the very same time, the Megan Kelly interview is coming out with Mr. Grush. This highly redacted document just shows up for Greenwald, who has an enormous audience. So, I am, you know, John's a bright guy. He has considered whether or not he has being used in that process for disinformation. But if by chance not, although I suspect, yes, he needs to. It's baseball, but so much more.

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US residents, 18 plus only. Select Banana Ball games available to all Disney Plus subscribers. Terms apply. Interesting. Okay. Dan, what do you make of this? That was really interesting. Thank you, Susan. It's great to hear from someone with the expertise to address this, you know, because at the end of the day, I'm just a dude with a podcast, right? But it's surprising how much it aligns with what you said, though,

because, you know, when they said, oh, yeah, we kind of, it was an administration issue as to why it was revoked of the clearance. That just sounds like companies going, you know, blue sky thinking, think outside the box. all those little buzzwords that get people to back off. And when they say it was removed for, you know, they say misconduct, that's kind of, the DOD likes always a language, right? If you ask them if they have evidence of UAP,

they'll say we have no evidence of E.T, and it's like, that's not what I asked. And here they're saying, Grush has a pattern of misconduct. And it's like, well, is that pattern of misconduct going on interviews and talking about UAP stuff? Like, do you not what I'm doing that? Is that what you're talking about? Could well be. they're not elaborating.

44 pages are hidden from us. If they're confident in their decision to revoke that clearance, show us the 44 pages and stop treating us like children. And like Suzanne said, his privileges were restored the second that I actually got into the system and he did things the right way. I think that speaks volumes. The foyer, the timing's just weird, just days after it.

And this isn't the first time this kind of stuff has happened. You know, that Wall Street Journal piece came out, right, as something else came out. and there seems to be these games being played in front of us. Greenwald, I mean, he's great at FOIA. For me, analysis-wise, he's lacking. You know, he editorializes where you should be speaking about the data in the actual documents. And yeah, I think he needs to realize that he's being used as a mouthpiece by the DOD.

And if he wants to challenge that, then he needs to present both sides of these stories instead of just presenting the side that he's more biased towards, you know. So put it out, you know, talk about the clearances being revoked and why, but also emphasize that these were returned and he was found to do nothing wrong. So why are people like Green Street talking about, you know, they were revoked, so he's speaking nonsense while they were given back, so he's not speaking nonsense. You know, like this is the disingenuous part of the discussion that's really frustrating on X and, you know, all these groups and things like that, where it's just like,

just look at both sides. If we look at the answer and it turns out there's nothing. Great. We can focus on other cases. I don't care. You know. Yeah. I mean,

the fact that we're even having this conversation about crush, I think underscores the severity of coming forward and what will happen to you if you come forward. You know, I think all of us want to like just hold Dylan Borland close and like pet this guy. Because like you could tell how scary. he was when he came forward at that last congressional hearing. He was the highlight of that thing, no matter what anyone thinks. I do believe he brought forward the most pertinent information to now go after when it comes to this. And congressional members can go after when it comes to the cover-up

and everything in between. And, you know, George Knapp was great. We're going to be talking about the Napster and just a little bit as well. But yeah, yeah, yeah. I think again, these Wall Street journal articles. When Arrow comes out with a horrible video, they always drop these things at the times when people like Rush or Borland or Matthews or Elizondo are bringing something to the table once again to show the cover up. So yeah, it is a game. It's a game between these, you know, maybe concerted efforts by whistleblowers or rogue efforts and the DOD. in my personal opinion. So I don't know.

Everyone's agendas are different. Every motive is different. Every congressional member has a reason why they're getting involved with this topic. Every whistleblower has a reason why they're coming forward. It's dizzying. But, you know, we try to make sense of it here. But this story, a story like this, only makes things more difficult to try to understand or unbe of any of this. I wouldn't make this observation as a piece of

hope for our listeners to hang on to. I think look at the size of the rocks that they're able to throw now. They're little. They're little bitty pebbles compared to what got thrown initially. We're stripping clearance where blah, blah, blah, you know, all the stuff going on, fussing with him in the whistleblowing process. We're going to leak his mental health records. Those are boulders. Those are big rocks. And now they're just popping little pebbles. So I think They're out of ammo. I don't know how else to say it. I think we're watching sort of the drags of what's left.

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, guys. Yo, David Grush had a parking violation in 1992. He believes everything you don't. Get him. Yeah. He forgot to feed his dog that one night. Do you remember that again?

Oh, man. Yeah. It's a really good point. I've been rewatching the X-Files. And as, as, you know, I found the first time I finished it, the pot is really convoluted, right? And now that I'm in this and watching it through, I'm like, oh, it is convoluted. That's why, like, this whole thing, this whole UFO legacy program thing is super convoluted,

and that's why it's convoluted here. Because essentially, even at the most basic, you know, if we look at it and we kind of go, okay, so we have black team, they're the guys that got their stuff and they're hiding it. Then we have Blue Team. They're the guys that, you know, we're just working in the government, and they're doing their job. At some point, Blue Team gets a sniff of Black Team, so they want to try and pull stuff out.

There are going to be people from Blue Team going into Black Team and working for them and trying to do it from the inside out. But whilst that's happening, we're going to have people from Black Team, going into the Blue Team to try and muddy the waters and change their minds of releasing their stuff. That's all going on.

And that's only assuming two sides here. There could be multiple Black teams, you know, like multiple different groups that have all this material and stuff. And so we've got like six teams all trying to arm wrestle each other and infiltrate each other to do their thing. And I think that's why we're looking at it and just kind of going, wow, this is a lot of convoluted misinformation and disinformation.

Right. Interesting. Yeah, that's such a good point, man. Yep. Garrett says, Dan, Chris Carter will be shown to be the misoadry. Who's the new guy? Googler making the reboot of the X-Files. We need to pay close attention to that as well.

I'm so excited. I've heard a few rumblins that Vince Gilligan may be involved too, which I'm really open for because he made some of the most incredible episodes of that. And obviously he's making Pluribus now. And I want season two of Furibus tomorrow 9, 2027. But this is about the only project that I'll accept the delay for. Exactly. Take as much time as you need, guys.

And yes, Pluribus, check it out, guys. I'm on episode three. Don't spoil anything for me. I don't say what, but hurry out. I blown away. I did want to just mention this before we moved to our next story. Truth Beets Lies. And YouTube says, I worked for Clapper at NGA.

And before that, interesting guy. I would love to get in touch with you about if you have any further insights on Mr. Clapper, Truth Beats Lies. So yeah, you can find my email in the show notes. I would love to talk to you about that. I think Garrett says if purity control comes out in the, F-O-I-A. Oh, God. Purity control is from the X-Files, guys. I love that scene. So there was a scene, it's the end of series one. And I know this, not because I'm a massive nerd, but because I've just watched it,

where Scully goes into, she's trying to get an alien body to trade for Mulder, who's been taken captive by the syndicca, the legacy program. And she goes in to get this thing. And she has a password that was just randomly, she came across the woods that were purity control. And it turns out It's a project code name for the extra-trarestrial biological entity that is kept on ice. But to get in there, she doesn't go to some sexy military installation with amped up security and stuff. She goes to a nondescript building that doesn't look like anything that anyone would be interested in. And it wouldn't hold anything that would be interested in minus, you know, just random office paperwork. And then there's a guy at the front desk that asks the password and checks her in.

And I was watching it. And I'm like, well, he doesn't know what's in that room. He's just doing his job, right? He's been sent there. And so you've got all these little. people that are participating in this long-running kind of cover-up that don't even know they're doing it. And I think we forget that. We forget that. We think that everyone that touches this has to be malicious and trying to take over the world. And it's like, no, you know, like they can just be doing

their jobs. And compartmentalization works. Yeah. Yeah. Chris Mellon brings it up time and time again. The stope piping that occurs, Elizondo as well. So, yeah, that makes sense. Even in those boy at Documents, Greenwald got. you can see the lessors discussing or the lowers discussing what whistleblowing? Who is this whistleblowing? What did he whistleblow about? No idea. No idea.

Right. You get in the crush. Crush brought that up too, I think, with the CIA people involved. The lowers don't know what's going on. It's the high. Yeah, yeah, he did. Yeah. There's a pattern here, guys.

There's a pattern. Right. Okay. So I mentioned Elizondo. Let's move to that story. story next. Hey guys, Ryan Sprague here from somewhere in the skies. The podcast has always been and always will be completely free for you to listen to.

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Or hit that subscribe button right at the top of your Apple podcast feed. Thank you so much for listening, for supporting. And as always, keep looking up. This was broken by, I'm going to say it. I think Andy McGillian over at that UFO podcast was the one who, him and Dan were the first to follow this because, I mean, Andy is like a hawk. he's constantly looking for like ISBN numbers of books that are coming out by like Jay Stratton and and people in the UFO field and he's got like he like monitors these things

to see if like release dates have been announced or book covers stuff like that and um Andy and Dan came across a book um that was uh and I want I'm going to say allegedly because I want to get Dan's thoughts on this um what's going on here um it was announced that Elizondo was going to be coming out with a new book that is titled Reckoning the Unspoken Truth About UFOs and the Urgency of Now. Allegedly, it will be released in August of 2026. And there was a description on the official Harper Collins website

for this book. Harper Collins were the ones I believe that published his first book. I could be wrong on that. I'm not sure. I think it was, Stan. The description said, for decades, governments have concealed the truth about UAPs, but now the silence is cracking and the consequences of secrecy are becoming impossible to ignore. In reckoning, Luis Alizondo, former head of the Pentagon's secretive UFO program, delivers an urgent wake-up call. UAPs are real, the evidence is undeniable, and our future depends on how we respond.

Drawing on previously undisclosed evidence, global history and groundbreaking science, Elizondo reveals why this is not just about strange lights in the sky. It's about technology, security, faith, and the very identity of humankind. This is the pivotal moment. Will we evolve into a species ready to face the truth or retreat into denial and risk catastrophe? Now, I would say a week ago that description was up on Harper Collins. And I'm not, maybe I am screaming conspiracy, but as soon as like people started talking about this book reckoning, it was taken down. I went to the link and the title was gone.

And yeah, I don't know what to make of this. Like, is this actually a new book coming out by Elizondo, you know, less than two years after his. other one. What do you guys think? What do you think? Dan, I'm going to throw this to you. I'm going to put you on the spot. I know that, you know, we've all met Elizondo. We've hung out with him as family. Super nice guy. Super awesome family. But yeah, you be the one who I know has probably met with him the most. Is there anything you can share? If not, I completely understand. But what do you make of this story that I just vomited, word vomited out. So for me, like, looking at it is if I don't know, Lou, you know, seeing that page go up

and then people talking about it and the page go down, to me, that's confirmation. That's like, oh, we didn't mean that to be out quite yet. And people are talking about it. So we're just going to pull it back and not worry. It also happened with his last book. You know, that showed up. Yeah. That's crazy.

It's never twice. Well, yeah. Project. And, you know, last time a few chapters actually leaked from the book, right, before it came out. And that was said to be, because when you look at what leaked from the book, it was the more outlandish stuff, you know, about remote viewing and going to a terrorist in his cell as like, you know, a figure when remote viewing and stuff like that. So again, it's one of those games where I'm like, hmm, was this leaked on purpose to kind of pull the rug out from underneath this book? because it's more outlandish stuff that you're including. But I will say that Andy knew to look because I nudged him.

And I knew to nudge him because Lou talks to me about these things. And yes, I mean, I can confirm it. It's a book that's coming. I don't know when it will be released. I can't say if the description is accurate. I don't know. I haven't read any of it. I just know that it's in the works.

And really, it makes sense that it's in the works too. You know, I just went on the Amazon page for Lou's first book. And it says, like, at the top of the description, instant number one, New York Times bestseller, instant USA Today bestseller, instant number one Sunday times bestseller. There's nothing that does well in this world, in the media world, that they won't push for a sequel for. And I only hope that it's not, you know, diminishing returns like other sequels. But I'm excited to read it. There was a little suggestion in the blur there that there's going to be undisclosed stuff included in there. So, yeah, I'm excited to read it.

I'd say if you're someone out there that, you know, questions, Lou, or you don't want to support them, or you don't want to spend money on this stuff, you know, by Ryan's book that's coming out, or get it from a library, sign up to Amazon Prime and, you know, get it from there so that you're not paying specifically for it. And then you can still be informed because it's better to be informed when you're talking about this stuff than it is to just run your mouth, you know, with feelings. For sure. Yeah, which I am guilty of a lot of the time, too. But again, that's why you guys are here to level me out. That was well sad.

What do you think about this? I couldn't say any better than that. Is this the reckoning of Luis Elizondon? I don't know. And, you know, sometimes it's as simple as not everything can be in a first book. And maybe there's a second one that contains more information. I know nothing about this from behind the scenes. I have zero special information.

So I think we're just going to have to wait it out and then read it and analyze it. And I'm sure we'll be talking about it on the show with everyone. And hopefully it will be all those things that Dan was reading out, you know, a New York Times bestseller, blah, blah, because every piece of water raises the tide that raises all the boats. Absolutely. Yep. Yeah, I look forward to it.

Yeah, the first book was a page turner for sure. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to whatever comes next. I see all your comments, guys. I will get to a lot of these. Again, I do want to remind you your code word for tonight for your Apple podcast reviews and Spotify comments is reckoning. So be sure to put that somewhere in your reviews as well. Now you know why we put that up there. Lucy, hello to Lucy, one of our regulars.

I do want to touch on this. Does Jay Stratton's book have a release date? Yeah, it's crazy. Andy was even saying this. I can't believe we're getting two Elizondo books before the J. Stratton book comes out. Anyone have any any whispers on that? Dan, have you heard anything about Jay Stratt? No release dates.

I'm hearing it still with Dobser for clearance. Yeah. But, you know, so would Lose Book B. So I'm a little confused as to why Jameses doesn't have a placeholder. Oh, Jay, sorry, Jay's book doesn't have a placeholder popping up or anything like that. But that's another book that I'm looking forward to, you know? They're both pieces of this puzzle we're trying to build. it's important that we can look at these things and, you know, contrast and compare and see who did what.

And I know, I know Lou's been very upfront since he came forward kind of saying, you know, some of this isn't my story to tell. I can only tell you what I experienced. And so, you know, there'll probably be like the odd contradictions in the same way there would be as if I worked in an office with you too. And we would ask like, what do you guys talk about yesterday? And I'd be like, oh, we spoke about X, Y, Z, and you guys might not even remember we had those conversations. So we have to remember the human part. of these stories. And just pour them all together, like a big puzzle piece, you know. Yep.

Absolutely. All right. Spicy Ryan's going to start oozing in here, guys. I have the sun gun ready. I got it. Before we move to the next story, yeah, get it ready. Make sure the batteries are at full. I do want to ask you this, Dan.

Again, kind of putting you on the spot. And again, I know this is because you do stay in touch with Elizondo. I think more than some of us do. Elizondo made an interesting remark recently when David Gresh came forward to say that he was the only military person to really bring all of this stuff forward. Elizondo did kind of bite back and I'm glad he did. I think it was a very, it was a very blunt way of saying like, hold on, dude. Like we said, all ships, you know, raise the time. Um, Elizondo said, oh, the only one, huh?

Um, so I'm like, oh, no, are these guys, like, fighting the like little trauma, trauma monger in me started coming out. Um, was it just in, like, an off the cuff remark or like, what do you guys think? I don't even, this isn't even worth discussing. Well, I mean, I can't say that I've spoken to Lou about it. Um, I haven't, you know, nothing's come up. Um, we've spoken about Jay Stratton a little bit, you know, and crush. Lou put me on the phone with Grush when I visited him and they were very cordial and friends. And same with Jay Stratton, you know, there's stuff out there about their relationship and

how Stratton and Stratton's wife feels about Lou. And all I'd say is that just remember, you know, this is social media. People love drama on social media. It doesn't mean it's reflected in real life. If you've seen Age of Disclosure, you saw Lou and Jay sat shoulder to shoulder presenting this issue together. That's the the thing to take away from this, you know, not like, you know, maybe Lou parked on the wrong side of the house once when he came to visit, but that's probably all that's bad, you know? Yeah, yeah, he didn't do the dishes when he stayed overnight. Right.

Been there, been there. I think we all that. Okay. So, oh, this was, Lou, the description of the book, if you're watching this on YouTube. Let's do it. My gosh. It is not from mummy. Can we please put these mummies to rest today?

Holy moly. We are. We are putting the mummies to rest, Suzanne, and so are many others. In a recent episode of Weaponized, Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp interviewed Will Brown, creator of the Incredible History YouTube channel. I've started watching videos over there. Go subscribe, guys.

He's doing wonderful work. Really good channel. he brought on some people over on incredible history to talk about why they believe they have proven that the Naska mummies are a hoax. And in turn, Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp had them on weaponized to talk about this. I'm going to show a short clip from the weaponized podcast. So Will Brown, along with biological anthropologist, Dr. Dan Proctor and radiologist, Michelle Adams, examine the controversial claims. surrounding the NOSCA alien mummies. Brown, who initially approached the case as a believer and even traveled to South America

to investigate, now claims his latest reporting exposes it to be a hoax. So let's watch this very quick clip from Webinize where these three that I just mentioned do talk about this and why they believe that they have proven that it is a hoax. So let me pull this up quick. Here we go. To your satisfaction and to everybody you're talking to right now, have you debunked these Peruvian or NASCA mummies? Have you debunked them? Or is there still, are there still questions that you have? Would you like to see DNA analysis, you know, by colossal biosciences?

Or are you done? Are you like, this is an absolute fabrication? Please tell me your strongest standpoint right now. Well, for me, absolutely. They're fake. And I don't think DNA can answer the question anyway. not your standard test from a lab, just any random lab. I don't think it would, I don't think it's going to shed any light on the issue. And it certainly isn't going to correct the issues we find with the anatomy. That's still there.

So yeah, for me, the case is closed. All I needed to see was the analysis by Dr. Proctor with Maria. Montserrat is also very interesting. But Maria, it has the provenance. I believe in an eight or nine year head start before we started seeing these other big ones. So if you go, if maybe there's some proponents out there

that can go, okay, Maria, yeah, Maria is definitely fake. But look at Montserrat. Monsterot still got tendons on the foot or whatever. You are now making the argument that the original one that they drug out eight years ago is fake, but these new ones are real.

So that's why Providence is important here. And I believe Michelle in the video said Maria's feet looks like arts and crafts where like montserrat you know they put a little bit more effort into it um so yeah i think they're i think they're fake i'm sure yeah you are sorry michard so they're definitely human beings um if you do some research on how they used to mummify people in that part of the world and the um they call it annular artificial cranial deformation where they would like wrap fabric or bands around their head to get that conical

shape. I did a video on that today to kind of help show people a lot of what you see in these overlaps with customs that were traditional to that area at that time frame. So they also, there are also some cultures that used to disassemble their dead as a way to pay homage or grieve. So there was a whole bunch of things that once I started looking at this and you add them all together, you just go, God, this is like, it's hard to wrap your head. around. But for me, these are fake. These are human beings that have been manipulated. Okay. So manipulation, tampering, possible financial motives behind the promotion of the mummies. Yeah, if you go over to incredible history, they do go through the examination and analysis of why

they believe it was manipulated. It is extremely convincing and makes a lot of sense. yeah, and that these things have been traded on the black market for a really long time. And they believe that these things are human. They have been manipulated. And we've all been taken for a ride. At least those who believe these were genuine. So, yeah, let's go from there. What do you guys think?

Suzanne, we'll go down the line here. What do you make of us finally putting the Nazca mummies to rest? And does this explain all of the mummies? That's another question we should contend with. What do you think? This has always been a bit of a heartbreak for me in terms of the bodies of these humans being used this way. I have always had issue with the sort of pressure campaign around them.

And radar just always seemed to me like this is a hoax. And I think that's exactly what you're watching. And then on the other moments, He's not addressed in the work here. Here's what I think. There's an old saying, lawyers live by false in one, false and all. Walk away from the topic. Walk away from the side show.

Step out. Don't give the clicks. Don't give the comments. Don't give the views. Walk away. That's a song. I don't remember who sings it. Walk away.

It was from Maddie Gravity. Oh, my God. That was a early 2000. Hold it out of the hat. Pne of gravity. Yep. Long time ago. I don't know if he could hear me.

Dad, can you hear me? I think he's stuck. Oh, there are you. I can. Sorry, I was just finding a picture that I took in Mexico that was relevant to what we're talking about. And I had to dig through,

but I found it. I found some fake artifacts in a museum. Oh, good. Okay. Yeah, pull them up. Kind of exemplifies the point, you know. Yeah. Hold on.

Well, let's go from there. Yeah. What do you think? Okay, so I'm sharing my screen this, so you should be able to see that. Okay. Oh, there it is. Let me grab that. Before presenting, oops, Lauren.

You can tell I haven't done a live stream in a while. They are changing everything up on me. Modified it, too. It's all different. There you go. Yeah, they did. There we go. Okay.

Okay, so these were in a museum in Mexico. Okay, I'm in through you see them. And I see these present. invented in so many places as genuine artifacts that show, you know, indigenous alien figures and reliefs and things like that. Every single one in this case, and it's labeled as such, is a fake. There are so many kind of, there's a trade going on where they just have these things and they make them and they sell them to tourists and they sell them to visitors and things like that. They're pretty cool. Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't have minded it only one, but I'm not

paying an extortion amount. And apparently, Maria is up for sale on the black market for about million dollars. Oh. So, I mean, for me, if that had come with the initial press conferences, I would have immediately wrote this whole thing off. But it's kind of been downplayed. So here we have three independent experts collaborated and they're really, really niche professions as well. And I think when we've been seeing people like Jesse Michaels and some of the lawyers go down and things like that and study these things, and they come away saying,

I don't know. What I'm seeing now is a lot of people saying, oh, well, were they stupid? You know, they have expertise. Were they stupid? And the truth of it is, no, they're not stupid, but they also still don't know what they're looking at. Just like I don't know what I'm looking at when I'm looking at some of these things.

I forgot the name of it, the guy who is commenting, in the weaponized episode in our Will's video on incredible history, he talked about the hands and how really a seven-year-old could notice that, you know, the hands were built with human bones in this way. And I said to him, I was like, well, you know, to be honest, my knowledge of hands is fingers, thumb, hand, so probably about a one-year-old's level of knowledge.

So I was like, so you can't really blame me for not having a seven-year-old knowledge. You know, I just haven't studied this stuff, so I don't know. But that is why I'm... Middle finger. Middle finger, right? I know that one. Americans know that one well. There's a lot of research out there on exactly this topic. What humans do when they want to believe a thing

and what they're willing to set aside and discernment in order to do that. And this research bubbled up out of the art world where experts in various galleries would be presented with something and their radar says something's off. and they will literally work their way around that despite the fact that that radar never leaves them. And then ultimately it will be proved that that radar was right. And I think a lot around these mummies and what Dan is showing us now is the same. Humans want to believe that.

And they will disregard the subliminal indicia in order to do it. You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save? Enough. Enough to get lost. Or you could book a stay with Hilton. Welcome to your ocean front room.

Just steps from the water. The Hilton sale is on now. Book on Hilton.com or the Hilton app and save up to 20% to get the stay you expected. When you want savings, not surprises. It matters where you stay. Hilton for the stay. Right.

And I think that key phrase there as well, right? We want to believe. I want to believe. Stop messing with me with this fake stuff, please. Like I want to put my energy towards genuine investigation and discovery. Dan, it is. Let's use our energy in a more productive way. Right.

Well, sorry, go on, right. Oh, I was going to say the want to believe has driven uphology since the dawn of modern euphology, if not earlier. I mean, we want to believe there is something else out there. and we will be willing to sacrifice, you know, due diligence, common sense at times, or even a simple Google search to validate our beliefs or what someone else is telling us to believe, which is a hint for our final story of the night. But yeah, that want to believe will always be there.

It is on the X-Files poster, which I think was genius, that the UFO in that poster is a fake. is a oaks is a fraud. It is the dichotomy, the irony cannot be lost. So, yeah, yeah, that's all I want to do that. Sorry to enjoy that. No, that's okay.

So I just wanted to add in, so there was a video, if you go to Will's video on Incredible History on this with these three experts. They've linked Steve Mirrors video, and Steve was invited to, he's an investigator from the UK, does the Awakening conference, that kind of stuff.

He was invited to study these things before they were announced. and they documented their experiences that they did it. There is testimony from someone that knows the gravedigger telling him, oh yeah, he sent me out into the desert to look for dried nerves, look for a dried heart, look for ones with brains, look for ones with hands. So I was bringing all these things in bags to him, and he said he was going to give me $300 and then he didn't pay me,

and I couldn't eat that day. So this is the level of stuff that we're talking about. Also when Steve Mirror showed up, so they flew out, they booked all their hotels. They were like, we're going to come and investigate this for you. we'll record everything and, you know, we'll promote it for you, you know, if it's on the up and up. They arrived. And when they were picked up from their hotel by the guys to show them the bodies, the guys refused to move the car.

And they said, oh, well, we'll only show you the bodies. You need to give us a thousand American dollars. And Steve was saying in this video, like, we knew where we were being swindled, but you're kind of in the moment and you've already spent thousands. And you're like, well, I kind of want to see what they've got now. So we paid the thousand. And we went through with it. So that's a, I mean, the, the average salary in a country like that is not the same as the average salary in the USA or the UK. Like, everything is relative.

A thousand dollars in someone's hand in cash, huge boost to their monthly earnings. Huge, huge, huge. So we need to adjust, oh, they're going to do this only for a thousand dollars. No, that's a lot of money. And as, you know, it was said in that Webmise video there, essentially what the argument is, is now is that one's a hoax, that one's a hoax, that one's a hoax, that one's a hoax, but this one isn't a hoax. Please believe us. Why wouldn't you believe us? And it's like, no, no, no, no, the onus is on you to prove this. So you need your peer-reviewed study,

finally out. You know, you've had 10 years to do this almost with some of these bodies, and you haven't. So you need to do this if you want to respond. And also I'm seeing people say, well, you know, the DNA studies will prove otherwise. The DNA studies are another puzzle piece. they are both, you know, first-order kind of analysis things. The DNA cannot prove that there are no human bones in their hand. That ship is sailed. There are human bones in the hand. If the DNA turns out that it's something mysterious, then, you know, there will be explanations for that. That will be discussed by the relevant experts.

But we cannot take away the fact that multiple of these specimens have been shown to be fakes, to be manipulated to human bones. And they even come, if you buy one of these on the black market, they even come with a fake provenance video that shows you them digging this body out of the sand in the desert. And it's all faked. It's all faked. It's insane. Oh, my God. It's like what they say, like, oh, you can buy this star out there in stress.

Like, you own this star. Here's your certificate. Like, yeah, good luck when, good luck. Oh, shoot. That's it. Suzanne's, let's move to the next one to get our power to continue our voyage. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy.

Yeah, I mean, there were some good comments here in the chat as well. Gandalf says, it would be nice to see the experts who claim they are real NHI respond, recant, especially the forensics guy. I mean, WTF, yeah. I mean, and look, the NASCAR mummy or the alien mummy community is just like any other sub-community within euphology. If you attack their beliefs, they come back tenfold and they will be extremely disrespectful. They will troll you. They will dox you. These are unfortunately the threats that we live in today in a social media world. So I am interested to see how they respond to this,

how they respond to these people who have basically almost 100% proven that these are a hoax and where we'll go from here. But I think for the three of us, we're kind of just ready to move on. I've been ready to move on a long time ago. Me too. Ignorantly, I can't pretend that I looked at all the convincing evidence. So I am guilty of that. But yeah, I think we can now say at least these mummies have been manipulated, are human, and are being sold, you know, and that money drives all this. Follow the money, as we always say. 100%. If I was rich, I would take these independent scientists that are looking at this, find a bunch more, go there, buy the bodies of them for the million, you know, with the blessing of authorities, and we would study them, and we would put every single one of these people in jail, and it would be done. Over.

Oh, I love that. Sting operation. I love it. I'm in. I'm in. All right. After Japan, we're heading to Mexico, buddy. We're going.

All right, guys. We are moving to our final story of the night, because as you. usual. I have kept you guys longer than I ever promise. We are going to move to a very controversial story that involves belief. And this is where things get very touchy for a lot of people. If you're watching this on YouTube, you probably recognize the faces on your screen. You have Chris Bledsoe and his son, Ryan Bledsoe. These two have been making the interview rounds lately, and saying some things. I can't pretend that I follow either of what they do closely.

But I did watch portions of the Jesse Michaels interview with Chris Bletso. And I've watched clips of Ryan Bletso as well. And a lot's been ramping up about interviews, prophecies, and orbs. I'm going to do a little crash course before we get to this clip. I'm going to show Chris Bletso, the gentleman on your left, of your screen, the older gentleman. Chris Bledso reports that in 2007, after a period of personal crisis, he witnessed a close-range UFO encounter near Cape Fear River in North Carolina that marked the beginning of a repeated sighting of glowing orbs and craft. Following the event,

Bledso claims ongoing contact experiences involving intelligences he associates with a benevolent, benevolent feminine presence called the Lady in White, which he is. believes carry spiritual and prophetic significance. His story has drawn international attention from scientists, intelligence officials, and researchers, making it one of the most debated modern UFO contact cases ever. He was recently interviewed by Jesse Michaels, and Ryan Bledso was on with Duncan Trussell. And I'm going to play this clip that I kind of meshed, melded together of the two interviews. I promise it's not that long. And I don't want to give any further sort of like prelude to this. I just want you guys to listen to the way that both of these men talk in these

interviews. And then I really want to reflect on this with you guys and what you think this means for euphology in general. So let me go ahead and play this clip. Hopefully it works. Here we go. kinds of the people, probably more, but there are people that can see, they can see this, there are people that I can teach to see, and there are people that can never see. Oh, damn. They'll never see it because they're skeptical. And when you're skeptical about this, you will never be in the club, ever.

It will not let you in because it doesn't want to message your free will. You're being so harsh. Believe the witness. Believe the experiencer. No, I don't give a shit. I just don't find any genuine reason to accept that any of that stuff is real. And we stood out. We were like a voice in the wilderness saying, hey, actually, you know, it's spiritual.

Maybe you guys are all wrong. Maybe you guys are the freaking crazy ones. We're not crazy. This is real, you know. NASA's knocking on our freaking door, whether it's a gray, whether it's a reptilian, whether it's a mantis, whether it's X number of things that people, you know, say that they experience. This is psychic phenomenon. This is mental phenomenon.

These are not physical beings walking around in our world, right? the only beings that have the permission and the capacity to walk around in our world are the beings of light the ones that the blood soes have been shouting at the rooftops about the ones that we've been dealing with the lady is the most important part of all of this the lady is the being that is running the show and that is coming here with fury to wake us up from the ruling control system here from the dark forces that that are binding us to this place from those negative sadistic parasitic vampiric forces that want to feast on our minds and are suffering and keep us trapped here the lady is the force that you know destroys that and severs that power over us now we are approaching a point where on the collective level this power will have free reign in our world as long as we all collectively and freely invite it and i believe they will be able to help get rid of the dark forces that are controlling us and um you know their days are numbered the dark forces are And that's kind of what the plan is of this UFO phenomenon.

It's not just a dog and pony show. It's not a magic trick. It is a very real prophetic force that has been guiding us for thousands of years, helping us barely survive, right, until we got to this faded moment in our destiny, where these two worlds were across where they can just, boom, just have free reign to come into our world and do what they want. And you received a prophecy about 2026 as well, right? Yeah, yeah.

And what was that? Well, she said, and I had no idea what it meant, still don't, other than she said that when the star of Regulus, which is a blue star, when it appears red on the horizon at the dawn before the sun comes up and the gaze of the Spinks, in other words, I saw it in a vision, the whole thing, you can see the spinks facing east. and this thing's just cresting the top. She said, when that happens, that will be a sign that ushers in a new knowledge for humanity. So does that mean the return of Jesus or the return of Christ's consciousness? It could, and I think that's possible. But it marks a sign. She said to where the darkness would be exposed.

And the truth would be revealed. Mmm. Mm. That's pretty much what I'm saying. Okay. A lot to break down here. I'm trying to keep it together. I'm getting very mad.

Oh. I have met Chris Bletsu. Very nice guy. Very, very nice guy. I've spoken to him briefly in emails. You know, I believe that this man had a genuine UFO experience in his life, as many do, you know, in a time of struggle. These things will often appear to people. We hear that all the time of great emotional times in your life, a UFO will appear.

And then it's how you integrate that into your life. I have been for that from the very beginning. How you integrate a profound UFO experience into your life and move forward. it changes you. This is the prime example of how someone integrates a UFO experience into their life. It is also the example of how it changes them. But it's also an example of how it can consume you, how interpretation can sort of influence the experience, which I'm not against. Interpretation is key here. but the way these two are talking really concerns me

and the way that the son, Ryan Glezzo, is talking straight up pisses me off in that limited clip of him saying that no other witnesses or experiencers he gives a shit about and what they saw is not what they like, no, what the Bledso's are experiencing is the true UFO phenomenon.

Fuck you. there we have that I'll second that I'm standing with you on that one Ryan Ryan I'm standing with you on that one Ryan I'm asking you a million times yeah please

let me ask you a question so is it making you angry because it is feeling like they are trying to control sort of the one true way the one true truth what is it that's triggering that for you I'm struggling

because I want to have empathy. I'm not against someone interpreting their UFO experiences as a spiritual awakening or things like that. I think you're very open about all that. Yeah, I'm a spiritual person. Good. I do practice religion. But when I hear these prophecies

and now people are saying in the chat, these prophecies that he talked about in his book are coming to pass and he's already changing the dates. Him and his daughter are taking photos and videos of UFOs that have numbers in them. I just like, I don't so much have a problem with Chris Blitzell. It's the way that his son has almost, and I hate using this work, has almost been groomed by his father to continue this idea of this spiritual messaging that is coming through him. I mean, he said these messages are coming through him.

He has healed the sick, but it's not him. It's the lady in white working through him through these UFO experiences. They're taking people out in hordes to try to vector in the UFOs, a la psionics and praying and all this stuff. Again, I'm not against any of these things. But the way they're talking and the way that Ryan Bledso so easily dismisses hundreds of thousands of UFO witnesses who experienced traumatic events that don't correlate to the lady in white, I have a big, big, big problem with that. And you know what? I already feel bad for saying, fuck you.

I already feel bad because, like, this dude is on his own journey. But look, if you're going to put yourself in front of a microphone like the three of us have done today and say these sorts of things, there are going to be consequences. And right now, I do believe the bloodsos are feeling those consequences in this spiritual journey that they are on. I've talked way too much. What do you guys think of what I just showed you? And where this stuff with the bloodsos are leading? I'm scared. I'm scared.

Yeah. Whoever wants to jump in. To me, it's almost like the dog was wagging its tail, but now the tail's wagging the dog. And this kind of got out of hand or it got so much attention that now we don't have an alternative except for the tail to wagged it all in order to keep this thing going. And I say that with kindness and respect. I have had my own bizarre experiences with non-human intelligence, with the paranormal, my own near-death experience.

It is not like I am the least bit, close-minded or judgmental. but I trust that radar and radar says something's off. Dan, how about you? So, okay, I'm going to say a little thing and then I'm just going to present some things because I think this alludes to. What was that saying, Susan, you said when we were talking about the mummies, if one thing's bad? False and one, false and all. Okay, cool.

So I want people to keep that in mind as I show what I'm going to show. I would say when I saw that from Ryan, I was disgusted. I've had a personal experience and that experience told me that I have no right to tell anyone else what they have or have an experience because it was insane. So what right do I have to say

you didn't experience something crazier, right? That for me is part and parcel of being in the UFO community, having compassion for each other, hearing each other, listening to each other, respecting each other, and Ryan has fallen far away from that. Chris, you know, I've never seen him kind of badmouthed, but, you know, that whole, if it doesn't happen for you, you don't believe hard enough. You're the wrong frequency.

You're not in the right density. This is all new age mumbo-jumbo that we have heard time and time and time again from different people in different cults. And I'm underlying and embolding that word because that's what this is kind of turning into. I agree, Chris seems to have had an initial real experience. And then after that, things started happening, you know, apparently this guy named Tim. Tim Taylor came and started making Chris think that the IC and NASA and everyone like that is interested in him personally when it could just be the Tim Taylor is interested in him

or pulling a dotee and just messing with someone. But I would like to let a couple of things do the talking for me. So I'm going to share my screen, Ryan. And first of all, it's a video. And then I'm going to share an excerpt from Chris's book. And then I'll expound on why I'm showing you that. Okay. Okay, so let's do this.

Okay, so here's the video. Got it. Let me get that up on screen. I don't know if it automatically plays, but let's give it a try. You should be able to hear the audio. You'll hear Chris kind of praying. Playing what I'm looking at right now. But I'm going to show you, Lord Will in this video.

Oh, Lord, thank you, my Lord. Wow. Wow. Did you see it? Wow. You want to believe what I just filmed. It came straight at me and dipped down in the woods while I'm filming this huge orb. So he's thanking the Lord for a meteorite then that happens to show up as he's looking at this anomalous thing and praying to it.

This thing he's praying to is a SpaceX rocket launch. It's like a falcon. Yeah. It's a falcon. He doesn't know what he's exactly what I thought. When you have very little knowledge of what's in the sky. everything is a UFO. And so this is what I think of when he says,

if you don't believe hard enough, then you won't see anything. Because if I switch my brain off entirely and I believe that's a UFO, I'm going to have a great UFO experience with a Falcon Rocket launch, right? So there is that. So let me just stop sharing here. And I'm going to share something else here. This one I'll explain as I go through.

I've never seen anyone else talk about this. Let me know when it's up on screen there. Okay. I'm putting it up right now. Cool. So I've highlighted the relevant bits here, but I'll read them out for anyone that's listening. This is from Chapter 24 of Chris Platzo's book, UFO of God,

which does have a fake Leonardo da Vinci painting on the cover, for those who don't know. This chapter says... I didn't know that. Yeah, so it's a complete fake. I'll go into the story in a sec, but there's an amazing documentary on it. That basically is,

it's what I thought of when you said about the art world and how they confirm fakes and how fakes sometimes kind of get a lot of traction behind them and become bigger than they actually should be. But the painting saw for like $350 million to the king of Saudi. So that's now what it's worth,

even though it's fake. You know, it's crazy. So in this chapter, Chris tells a story about an envelope he was sent. Okay, so it says, the last item I shook out was a small jewelry box. I opened it to find a 24-carat gold pin with a distinct triangle inside of a circle.

It was almost exactly the same shape I had seen on the chest of beings at our home in 2007. I picked it up, and it was surprisingly heavy. There was nothing written on it, nor any other distinguishing features. One day, I would learn that this symbol is a closely guarded secret amongst those like Tim who work with the phenomena. It was known as an O.P. P.m., short for off-planet, given to those who had direct experience with the phenomena. A small circle knows about them, and an even sort of. smaller circle has them. It's a good Christmas present, though I hardly knew who to thank for it.

So I'm just going to go back to this bit here. He says the mailer came in, it came in was unmarked and had no return address. Okay. So then he shares some pictures of these kind of things. You know, this is Ryan and Chris. This is all there posting. That's one of the things from the envelope. This is the pin from the envelope. You know, Ryan says here that, you know, it came from a similar a place. This is the Camp David thing with the envelope in the background. You can kind of just see it here, right? Yep. So then this is a picture of the envelope that I was given years ago by Ryan himself in DM. And you can see on the top left there, it is from Tim Taylor. There is a return address on it. So already Chris is lying about it in his book. He knows exactly who this came from. Okay. So that story became, no, no,

it's a mysterious thing. So then this badge that was sent to Chris, okay? So you can see here, there's triangle on it. And these, these again are pictures from their social media. So, you know, just emphasizing that, they have posted these. You can see the word NASA just here. So line number two, Chris said there was no writing on it whatsoever. So I went and did a little searching around because I wanted to know what this pin was.

And lo and behold, a secret knowledge of Planet Pin is available on eBay for $12. For $12. You too. It's one here that's 250. Okay. So, you know, I'm surprised after, and it's listed on Wikipedia. It is a NASA spaceflight medal that is given to anyone who participates in any mission involving spaceflight. So not just people that go off planet, but people that sit in mission control. So with that, what was that saying again, Susan?

False in one, false and all. False in one, false and all. Great work. Great work, man. And that, I mean, the book is ghostwritten. No one's ever brought that up. I posted it in a few places because I've been trying to be courteous to them. I approached them.

And I said, hey, you know, I know the book was ghost written. Chris didn't write it. So it might just be an error, kind of, you know, game of telephone and everything. And that's when I got blocked. That'll do it. Well done, you. I and I have been I've been pretty quiet on the Chris Bletso front for a while because again I want to give an experience or space to really try to understand their experience they may never I don't know what the hell I saw when I was 12 Dan you don't know what your UFO was like no all we're all just trying to find answers and Chris Blitzow is doing that as well but I think we are now at a time where it has become blatantly obvious. obvious that if you challenge what they are saying, you will be blocked or the people who do believe their story will come after you.

I might get some hate for doing this. I'm sorry, guys. Like, I'm just, I'm telling you what I feel. And I, there are so many red flags with these failed prophecies, with these, you know, NASA came to visit us. Wow. Well, then ignore the hundreds of thousands of other people. I think they're I think they're being used. I think they're being played. I think Chris became a very religious person. And look, again, all the power to you. If you can find something to believe in the world today, awesome.

But when you start saying that if you don't believe what I believe, your UFO was not real. You misinterpreted it. You're against us. You're the dark forces. You saw a black triangle. You got abducted by aliens. Oh, you are part of the bad group.

As Ryan Bledso would call it, you are living hell on Earth or something to that extent. He said, like, again, fuck you. I'm sorry. I like the UN from like, oh, I feel bad, showing more compassion than Ryan showed, even though you said that. And now after I've shown you my thinking background

to fuck you again, I love it. We're doing therapy with him today, Dan. I'm going through a roller coaster here, guys. I'll leave it at this. I'll leave it at this. For me, personally. I wish them both luck. I apologize if I was offensive in what I said, but it's what I felt. And it's what I felt when I watch these.

It's what I feel, what I hear them saying, that skeptics don't see UFOs. That's bullshit. Skeptics see UFOs all the time. I was too little to be a skeptic. I was six or seven. That wasn't anything. Like that's just patently. That's what I was.

Yeah. Yeah. And also that he can teach you to see these things. But only the things that he believes in. Like all the other stuff. There's only that one right way. That's always a red flag. Red flag.

One right way. Pay us $999 a month and we'll tell you about it. Right. Right. $1.12 dollars on eBay. Yeah. Boom. But it's frustrating because this.

seems to be something to summoning these things. I've had strange experiences doing that. I wouldn't dare to go and tell anyone that, you know, they're genuine aliens or something. I just don't know what it is. And a different way to say what you're saying, Dan, is you can do harm by doing what they're doing. You can do harm by other humans by approaching it this way. And that's not right either. You know, it's going to be a varied experience, just like in your death, just like in paranormal. everybody's experience is different. Are there patterns? Sure, sure. But there's not one that's right and one that's wrong. Yeah. I'll put it this way. You can see this question mark on my arm, right? And my horrible sweat stains. I apologize. I can smell it from here. I know, right? Keep that question mark at the forefront all the time, guys. Never put a period on any of these things.

I think most people will live their lives with these UFO experiences with a question mark. The Blexos seem to think that there's a period at the end of what they're experiencing, and there isn't. There's a million periods because they will never explain what they have experienced to, you know, fully. Maybe to them, they will have the answers. And that's great. But for the rest of us, don't shame us that we're still on our own journeys. And yeah, yeah, that's all, that's all I'm going to say about that. Wow. Okay, I actually kept it together way more than I thought I was going to.

I do wish the Blexos luck on their journey. I really, really do because that's all right. Yeah, especially right. Nice first name, by the way, man. Yeah, yeah. Cool, guys. Well, I don't want to end on a negative note. So from each of you, I would love to know what are you looking forward to most in 2026 when it comes to UFOs? I don't know if you have like one big thing you're looking forward to, one small thing in this puzzle, endless puzzle. But yeah, Dan, let's start with you, buddy. What do you think 2026 will bring to us when it comes to UFOs?

Or what are you looking forward to most? So as soon as you said that, two pieces of media came to mind straight away that I'm really excited for this year. And that is, and actually I guess we might not see it this year, new Stargate that's coming back. And that was always always amazing in how it depicted how the Air Force kind of interplayed with all these kind of black projects. You know, Stargate did really good job of that. To the point where some episodes I was sat there with a raised eyebrow and I could understand why some people go, is this a documentary? It's not, but they really did the research, right? There are also some interesting Air Force personnel that actually appear in the show, too,

that had a few ties to some strange things. So, you know, curious there, but I think that could be really cool. Obviously, Spielberg's Disclosure Day, very excited for that. That's going to be coming out right as I'm getting married in June, my lovely wife, Elena, and we'll be getting married in Wyoming right by Devil's Tower. So hopefully we'll be. able to go see Disclosure Day or have a screening or something there. But aside from those things, for me, like, I mean, obviously I'm interested to see how the congressional stuff goes. But that's for everyone else, right?

I don't need that personally. You know, I've had my experience. So this year I'm really looking forward to getting to some more places and exploring for myself these hotspots across the US. Some in Canada, talking to interesting people, you know, you'll be able to follow all that on my show. But I'll record. I'll try and record as much of it as I can. You know, if you see any lights and stuff, it will all go on the channel just like my Brown Mountain Lights one did a few weeks back. But yeah, I'm really excited to just embrace

the path and the journey. And I'll share what I can as I go along it, but I'm excited to walk that path. When patient care is your top priority, you need a proven workforce solutions partner who can deliver it all and deliver it right. AMN healthcare brings together technology and talent into one seamless solution. Trusted by more than 2,000 health systems across the country, we help organizations make smarter, data-driven decisions, and improve patient outcomes. AMN healthcare. One partner, complete workforce solutions.

Discover how we are empowering the future of care at AMNPartners.com. Awesome, man. I love it. Suzanne, how about you? What are we got coming up in 2026 that you're looking forward to most when it comes to UFOs or space? Yeah. Well, I have just felt for the last year and culminating now with age of disclosure that we are truly watching them get to the pinnacle where I think for the first time in decades, I feel like we actually have a chance with the independent science going out there with age of disclosure, with Disclosure, with Disclosure Day, with the books. I feel I feel like I'm, I feel like we might actually make some concrete progress this year.

in terms of having acceptance around the existence of non-human intelligence, and maybe even some military disclosure. I don't know. We'll see. It feels different to me. The momentum feels different. Yeah. Absolutely.

I think you're right. Yeah. And, I mean, we always joke about Stephen Bassett saying, like, disclosure is happening this year. It's happening this year. I applaud that man for continuing what he does in the field, for sure. But I do feel like- It's going to lie at some point. I know.

Yeah, we're right. Broken clock is the right choice a day. Yes, it will be right eventually. I know what you mean. And, you know, like some skeptics might look at it as us chasing that dangling carrot forever. But for me, I think there's progress in anything. We are moving forward no matter what euphology thinks, no matter what religion thinks, no matter what each country thinks. Like the world continues to spin.

And we're lucky that we're even here to see it continue to spin. So, you know, I'm looking forward to a year of just, again, continuing to realize what it means to be human. I had to. and if UFOs happen to have something to do with that, awesome. I'll have a book coming out at the end of the year. I'm super excited about that. I'm working on a bunch of stuff. We're going to continue doing stuff like this.

I'm going to Japan next month. So who knows what will happen with that? Hopefully I'll be able to bring you guys some information with that. But I do agree with both of you. Like, don't ever go in expecting like this grand. disclosure of anything. It happens person by person. And I think we are all examples of that, along with the hundreds of thousands of other UFO experiencers out there and those who are just interested in the topic. It really does take all of us to try to detangle this very tangled

web we call euphology. So yeah, I'm looking forward to a lot of things. Disclosure Day, I think, is going to be awesome. Yeah, I'm trying to think if there's anything. else. Can we get, so just, just, I think I know what you're going to say. I think I know what you're going to say. So I wanted to just ask you guys your, so you've seen the Disclosure Day trailer. Yeah. And I'm curious what your theories are around the movie. So, okay. I'll tell you, mine right off the top is my most outlandish theory is that the disclosure is actually that the Earth is alive and channeling through people and can channel through all the beings here. So when you watch the trailer with that in mind, Oh, I got to go back and move on. Shifts about like, you know, the animals being involved and stuff like, yeah. I think it's like a Gaia type story as opposed to aliens.

I love it. Dude, that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, for me, yes, it, I feel like there's something to, I think this is going to have a lot to do with consciousness. Just kind of the, you know, when they were showing the animals and stuff, they looked very, almost like, what's that term? uncanny valley-esque. I don't know if it was like the special effects weren't exactly what they should be or what.

And then you got that image of like the person walking with all the animals to some like cabin. It looked like a painting to me. And I love going back to these ideas of like the co-creation hypothesis that Greg Bishop talks about, that this is all some sort of art piece, a performance of such.

And I do envision this having something to do with art and consciousness and dreams. So I do, I am going a bit more down the woo track with all of this. I don't think this is going to be what we all expected, like a U.S. Navy, United States government disclosure event movie that we all thought. I'm actually, I wouldn't say relieved, but I'm excited for this story that Steven Spielberg's going to tell. Maybe crypto-terrestrials like along the lines of what the animal thing. Like the Earth or those who were here before us, you know, calling out finally.

ready to finally commune. I don't know. So, yeah, those are my thoughts. Suzanne, do you have any? Nice. I'm with Sarah from the comment on the screen. Woo's the way. Woo's the way.

Last woo a mo, woo. Yeah, well said, Vera. Love it. Love it. Maybe the lady in white will show up. You know, like, who knows? You may take all those words back. Exactly.

I'd love to do. I think we all would. Exactly. Fine. Oh, my gosh. All right, let's get out of here. I've kept you too, way too long. But before we go, Dan, once again,

please tell us where we can find everything you're up to and, yeah, give it to us further. Yeah, absolutely. So you can follow me on social media at the Ziggle. It's the signal, but with a Zed instead of an S because someone else had it. My surname begins with the Zed, so why not? It's cooler. But also, if you look at to behuman show.com,

that'll give you the link for all of our YouTube, all the shows there. And it would be amazing to have anyone from here. who wants to give even one show 5% of a listen. I'd love you forever. And thank you so much, Ryan, for having me. Susan 2, I love talking to you guys. And I've learned a lot talking to you today.

Thank you. Great job. Me too, buddy. Yeah, and again, Dan and I are trying to figure out this collaborate thing on YouTube. So after this, I'm going to try to collaborate this over to his channel. So hello to all of the people over there. And a big warm welcome from our Summer in the Skies Group for you as well, Dan. It's always a pleasure to have you, buddy.

Yeah, Suzanne, what do you got coming up, if anything? And yeah, let us know where we can do. Well, I'm going to march myself right over past Espangelo, New Mexico tomorrow, to see if I can find the La Madera crash site for that story. I'll be putting all that together for you, Ryan. And hopefully we'll get something interesting. I did take a little data out of the archive in Albuquerque yesterday. So I have a few little pieces already.

So we'll see how that. goes. If you want to find me, I'm Suzanne Westerman Landers on Instagram and also on Facebook. I'm on Discord. You can't miss me. I'm on Twitter. You don't want to follow me there. It's a lot of political ranting. And I repose what Ryan says. Now you're caught up on my Twitter feed. How do you both? You have both been speaking out and using your voices with a plume. So madness back there to you both. Trying. I sometimes regret it. But yeah, like I, yeah. That's a story for another time. But no, thank you.

Thank you to both of you. I should mention, too, as of our streaming this, I have a brand new episode releasing in just a couple hours. UFOs of the Wild West over on the main feed of the podcast. This horribly AI-generated image, I apologize to all my artist's friends out there. I'm just that boomer. Creeping up, boomer, metting around with AI. I won't keep doing it, I promise. It is a lot of fun, though. It's pretty darn amazing.

It is, and I used it a lot tonight, and I feel really disgusting. But yeah, it is what it is. Check out our brand new episode, UFOs of the Wild West, premiering in just a couple hours on the main feed. Once again, your code word is reckoning. Put that in your Apple podcast reviews and Spotify comments in the future as well. Cool. It's going to do it, guys. Thank you again, Suzanne. Thank you, Dan. And again, this is in memory of Eric von Doniken. I hope he's finally getting some of those answers to some of life's biggest mysteries somewhere in the skies. And yeah, this goes out to him, his friends, his colleagues, his family.

Thank you. Thank you for inspiring so many of us for generations with your curiosity. So, yes, Eric von Denikin, thank you. Thank you. I should probably say that without me as a cowboy on the screen. Thank you, Eric Von Donovan. Thank you, thank you, thank you. We really do love you, appreciate you.

And yeah, yeah, that's going to do it, guys. So thank you so much for joining us tonight. If you have any questions, comments, you can email us. Yeah, yeah, put those reviews up, and we would certainly appreciate that. And I will leave you, as always with our mantra, keep your feet on the ground, but never stop searching summerless skies. There's nothing to hide at all. Division Radio.

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