Somewhere in the Skies - Jay Stratton: Out of the Shadows

Episode Date: October 21, 2026

Ryan takes a deep dive into Out of the Shadows, the new book from former Pentagon UFO investigator, Jay Stratton. From alleged recovered alien spacecraft and non-human bodies to secret reverse-engineering programs, encounters with extraterrestrial beings, and government cover-ups, Stratton makes some extraordinary claims. But does he provide the evidence to back them up, or does his book raise more questions than answers? We also examine new developments surrounding the alleged UFO luring operation at White Sands Missile Range, including claims of mysterious orbs and unreleased military footage. Plus, a former Army sniper shares a shocking story of U.S. soldiers allegedly battling reptilian beings near Area 51. Could these claims connect to David Grusch's recent revelations? We also pay tribute to Mario Woods, a former U.S. Air Force nuclear security officer, UFO witness, and past guest of the show, who sadly passed away this week. Watch "A Special Day" short horror film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1j11nxykEQ Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ Send us a voicemail: https://www.speakpipe.com/SomewhereSkiesPod Substack: https://ryansprague.substack.com/ All socials and books: https://linktr.ee/somewhereskiespod Email: [e-mail] Email: [e-mail] Opening theme song by Septembryo Closing song by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2026 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #JayStratton #UFOs #OutOfTheShadows #UAP #Pentagon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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There's nothing to hide. There's nothing to hide at all. Welcome to Somewhere in the Sky's Live. I am your host, Ryan Sprague, and we have a lot to talk about tonight. The brand new book by Jay Stratton has released. Have you read it? Have you started to read it? Are you listening to the audiobook?

Let us know. We can't wait to hear your thoughts. Suzanne and I will be discussing the book tonight, breaking down some of the key things. that everyone's talking about that came from the book from some interviews that Jay Stratton has done in the past few days. And just remember, this is the highest ranking official who has ever worked on a UFO program has come out with this book. So it's making some waves, that's for sure. But is it a little too late? That is the big question.

And we will get to all of that with you guys today. But hello to all of our regulars in the chat. So good to see you guys here. I see some new people, which is always exciting, always excited. We're glad to have you here. This is a live stream. We try to do every Sunday where we break down all the latest UFO news. And we won't just be talking Jay Stratton tonight.

We got some other stories for you guys as well. So a lot to get to, a lot, a lot to get to. We will be starting with more of a somber story. Unfortunately, we did lose a very special UFO witness in the UFO community. But, you know, I want to give him, you know, I want to give some grace to this story. This gentleman is someone I knew personally, who I interviewed for one of my books, who I've had on the podcast, and just such a really nice guy. And his name was Mario Woods. So we're going to talk about him in just a moment. But if you can, guys, please take just a few moments.

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Shadows. All right. Let's bring in our wonderful co-host and moderator. Word on the street is she lost power. So we might have her for just a limited amount of time, but let's bring her in before we waste any more time. Hopefully it'll get fixed during this. But if not, let's get her insights and everything before we lose her. So let me bring her in. It is the one, the only Suzanne Landers. Welcome. Hi, sitting here in the dark. How are you all? I told her off air. I couldn't even tell because their computer screen and ringlight are so bright. So we would never even know. But you let me know how that battery on the computer is doing as we go along here. I'll talk about before I lose my battery. If not, I'll be back when I can.

Exactly. Exactly. It's crazy. They don't want us talking about J. Stratton. It would appear, right? If not, I don't know what's happening. Maybe it was those orbs flying around my backyard last night. That's right. It's crazy. You sent me a crazy orb video of UFOs that you saw. And then I'm not kidding you, within the span of like two hours, the head of the podcast network were on Spector Vision sent me a orb video from Los Angeles as well.

So I don't know what's going on, but you guys are seeing orbs everywhere. Yeah, we saw the first or. We were in a little group last night. out in the middle of nowhere at a haunted farm just for fun. And that was when we saw the first set of orbs. There were two. And this is an hour outside of Santa Fe. And then on the drive home, there was another single orb.

And then in the backyard, three orbs, you know, dancing around like they do and then blinking in and out. And who knows? Interesting. Interesting. It was really up yesterday. Apparently. Orbs in my backyard, you'll find this interesting.

I heard a helicopter. And, you know, I look at Los Alamos across the valley. Right. That helicopter comes right over my house, headed straight to Los Alamos by way of the orbs. And the orbs go blink, blink. Blink. The last one lasted, which is the video I said in it, blink. Gone.

Gone. Wow. You're right, you know, military helicopter right through. That's crazy. You know what I think I'll do? I'll post your video and Spector Vision's director, Daniel Noah, his video. I'll post them on our social media tonight as well. So we can get some eyes on these and see if people can maybe figure it out.

Crazy. I do think it's time for everybody to keep their eyes somewhere in the skies because something's going on. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, I hate to do this, but we do have to start with this. sad story tonight of someone who has been on somewhere in the skies. And that is Mario Woods. And now he was a nuclear security police officer in the Air Force. And a lot of you will know him from past interviews he's done. He was on the show Unidentified on the history channel. That's where

he first came forward with this story about this UFO over, I believe it was Ellsworth Air Force Base. in South Dakota back in 1977. And, you know, his story has grown since then, and he spent decades looking for this other witness that was with him the night of his experience when they had missing time. And they, you know, they ended up like blacking out. And when Mario came to,

they were some few miles away from where they had been. It was crazy, a crazy event. So I had him on the show to talk all about, he's his experience and you know he'd been looking for this other witness michael johnson for years and years and years and then just a couple months ago not even uh jesse michael's over at american alchemy was able to locate and communicate with michael johnson the other witness and bring these two together which just seems so fitting so fitting for a situation like this what do you think it is and i am so grateful that he

got the opportunity to reconnect with his co-witness because it was really important to him. He spent a lot of energy and effort looking for that other gentleman. So it was a real gift, I think, he got at the end of his life to be able to do that. I would agree. So what I'm going to do now is play two brief clips, Suzanne. One is of Mario when he was on Summerless Guys talking about, you know, I think it was a week after the incident with Michael Johnson. They did speak a week after, but then that was it. They went radio silent on one another for decades.

So I'm going to play that clip, and then we'll play the reunion, the emotional reunion that Mario had hoped for before he died, and it happened. So let's go ahead and let's watch this clip from a past episode of somewhere in the skies. Here we go. I would really like to have that backup, because we can't find Michael Johnson anywhere. And there's been substantial monies spent investigations,

just trying to find him. You did speak to Michael Johnson one time after the event? Two weeks later. Okay. What was said between you and Michael after the event? Two weeks later, I'm in an apartment in Rapid City, is where I lived. And Michael Johnson, who I, as I said, I've never known before, he knocked on my door.

I didn't I had no idea and over the door I said Michael I said man it's good to see you because I hadn't seen him since that happened and hadn't talked to him and I think he lived in the barracks on base and he said man I just have to come talk to you about what we saw and I said by all means come on in so he sat down and right away the first thing it did I gave him some paper you know just nine by 11 or eight by 11 note sheet and I said here's a pencil or pencil or you want a pen I said you sit here and I'm going to go and I'm going to go and I'm going to go sit over there and the dining room table and I said, let's draw what we saw. And we both drew basically the same thing. And he said he didn't know what happened to him, but whatever it was, he just took him over. He didn't say if he saw anyone, he didn't say or saw a being or anything. He never said that to me. But he said he had never seen anything like that. And he was scared literally to death. And I said, did you hear me talking to you? He said, no. So, you know, that's the way that went, basically. And he visited for about an hour, and then he left.

And that's the last time I ever saw him, I heard from him again. Now, I did have his address where he was from. That's why I came up with Chicago, Illinois. And I thought I'd placed it in my Bible, but I have moved probably several hundred times since 1977 and gone overseas and everything else. And I took my Bible with me, so I don't know where I could have lost it at, you know. I sure wish I could contact him today because it would I would feel complete if, you know, right now I just feel as if I'm out here.

And, you know, I mean, it's incredible what happened. And there's a lot more to it. I don't even know what else to say. But I wish that we were sitting side by side discussing it in front of anybody. Yeah. So that was, I don't know, two and a half. three years ago that interview. And since then, you know, Mario, I featured a whole chapter on his incident and the aftermath

in my second book. And I've been trying to help him try to find Michael for years as well through various means. But lo and behold, Jesse Michaels was the one who was able to actually make it happen. So we do have him to thank for that. So should we watch that quickly, watch the quote, quote, reunion between Michael and Mario. Let's do it. Let's watch that, guys.

Michael, what's happening, man? How you doing? What's up? What's going on? How you doing? Good. How you doing? Good. How you doing? You're going great now, man.

Man, you're in crazy shape. Both of you and Mario. You're about to see Mario, who you've been separated from, for 50 years. What are you feeling right now? He never turned his back on me. He never left me. That's one thing I could say about the brother. He's an honor man.

He's never forgotten me. What up, bro. Give me a hug. It's been a while. I know, dude. Are you excited to meet Michael? Oh my God. Michael Johnson, man.

The guy that was just like, he was like there for everything, but we never, like, he was this mythical creature. And even like in Mario's last interview, She just probably recorded like a month or two ago. He's still like, I could feel how much he wants to see this man before he dies. And Jesse just calls me what, three, four days ago and goes, we found Michael. How are you feeling? You're feeling good?

You know, I'm, I won't lie to you. This is too much. It feels good. It feels good. A high. I'd have one of those in a long time. Oh, well, let's go. Yeah.

Go see Mario. Look at it. My man. My man. My man. All this time. You never forgot me. You never forgot me. You never forgot me.

You never forgot me. You never forgot me, bro. I'm okay now? Oh, man. I like to look at the time Jolod. Jolod. Jolmend.

Oh, how long have it been. Let me see you, man. Oh, what is that? You know, only went up there and bleed and you know, and I'm back up here. Oh, get to get up. Oh, man, so.

Oh, man, so. Oh, man, look at you. He's fine, man. You spent the same. It's the same. Say, smile, stay, stay a bit more hair, every day, Mach's man.

This guy was real cool with me. He was real cool. We didn't hang out too tight all the time because our jobs is everything. But he will always speak to me. He will always speak to me all the time. What's up? You know, everything. I'll see him in my 68 cutlass supreme, you know, going up and down, you know, elsewhere.

In my TRC? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything, man. So there you go, guys. you know, rest in peace to Mario, one of the nicest guys I've ever had the pleasure and honor of working with when it comes to this UFO space. And yeah, he will be greatly, greatly missed sending all our love and thoughts to his family. And I can't even imagine what they're going through right now. But again, I think it's just incredible that he was able to find that peace and resolution and closure before, you know,

he left this mortal coil. So this episode is in memory of Mario Woods. That's for sure. So all right. We are having some technical difficulties with Suzanne. She's working on it. So hopefully she will be back. But I am going to move to our first story of the night guys here.

And this comes to us about the luring efforts. Do you guys remember when all of that has? happened back when we learned from people like Eric Burlinson about this and pursue and all of that stuff. So in the latest pursue file release, it reignited questions about mysterious UFO orbs and whether the military has attempted to lure them into appearing, potentially connecting to a reported secret operation at White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. Congressman Eric Berlinson and Jordan Flowers of the Disclosure Foundation recently joined Dr. Phil to discuss the alleged operation and what it could mean for UFO disclosure. So here is what they had to say. I'm going to go ahead and play this clip from Dr. Phil, which features Jordan Flowers and Eric Berlinson.

And we'll talk a little bit more about this. We're on an orb kick tonight. That's for sure. So let's go ahead and play that for you guys here. Here we go. Are you saying that there was actually an exchange with the UAP? I mean, you can read in the report that the way in which the UAP were responding were very much clearly an intelligent way of responding. This was not some kind of natural phenomenon that was reacting. It was they were operating in an intelligent way and they were creating intelligent formations.

as these intelligence members were in a helicopter flying towards them and getting basically within 10 feet of these orbs, these orbs were responding and operating intelligently. And when I say success, I mean, there were by, I don't know if they had the exact number of wars, but there was at least three or four or more dozen of them that showed up. Three or four dozen? Yes, or more. You're talking about 50 of these things show up. Yes.

Okay. And again, this is from the government's own release, an FBI 302 form, a sworn affidavit effectively, that these things were seen breaking apart and coming back together, like a single object splitting into two and coming back together in addition to intelligently maneuvering within 10 feet of a helicopter. So they were able to see them not only on radar or infrared, but if they're within 10 feet, it's like damn near in the cab. I mean, that's right there. Ten feet is within the blades so they could actually see these things. What did they look like? What do they describe seeing, Jordan, when they say these things are 10 feet away?

Sure. Some of them were observed to be kind of a reddish hue. Others were observed to be to brighten, such that they had a sort of an orange glow on the outside with what appeared to be like a white hot center. I believe in that report that they also observed potential like pulsating of the light. That particular part is less clear to me. But they appear to be very bright, very observable,

not trying to hide themselves observed on multiple sensor systems, optical and fleer. You know, we have some pictures from the pursue release of these objects that are released associate objects as part of the release. The report notes that there's video of these things as well. And I believe the Congressman just said that he had seen some video or said publicly. Unfortunately, we haven't seen, we the public have not seen that video.

I would certainly hope that that gets released as part of these efforts. Congressman, I'm not sure if you have any insight onto whether the FLIR videos could be pushed out, but we'd certainly be happy to help however we can there. Yeah, I'll be making, we've been making that request for any kind of whether it's radar or any kind of video footage of that event and any other other events that have happened. I believe that this was not, that was not the last time that something has happened at that site. And so we're going to hopefully be receiving more updates and more releases because I don't, because I'm aware that it's happened more than once since that time that happened in late last year.

The other thing, what the video of the footage that I have seen, which is interesting is that you've seen these same glowing orbs operate in public space in different parts of the United States. And that footage has been captured by officials of the FBI. Okay. So there you go, guys. We have, I guess, some updates on the luring of UFOs from the Pursue releases, which is kind of interesting. And we are hearing that Eric Barlinson is hopefully working on getting those videos out. there were some photos and images released in the last pursuit release, but interesting nonetheless, this whole idea of baiting or luring in UFOs.

You know, we have the whole Skywalker controversy where they went completely dark and apparently are now working with the government or the military on baiting or luring these things in for what purposes we don't truly know. and I don't know, just a lot of weird, shady stuff going on with the whole Skywatcher story. But this might be completely disconnected from that. We just don't know. We don't know. We do know from Jay Stratton's book that the FBI currently is investigating some of these potential areas in the United States.

Two areas, I think he mentions in his book. I'm giving a little tease about what's to come later. that there are two sites where there's activity going on constantly almost every single day with these UFOs. So crazy, crazy stuff. Unfortunately, Suzanne will not be able to come back on, guys, until her power comes back on. Apparently, it's a neighborhood-wide thing.

So I'll be going solo for a little while. If there's any updates on her coming back in, I will let you know. She will be in the chat with you guys, so you can continue talking to her. The chat's completely fine as long as her computer holds out for that. So she'll be with you for as long as she can.

I feel so bad for her. They're working on it, though. It's completely out of her control. But again, again, she did some fantastic work on this episode and the J. Stratton story. So we'll be sure to include some of her stuff later in the show as well. But yeah, some interesting things that stood out to me in this story, the Dr. Phil one with Burlinson and Jordan Flowers.

The orbs approaching within 10 feet of the helicopter. That is pretty crazy. Objects splitting apart and recombining intelligent-looking formations and responsive maneuvers, silent hovering without visible conventional propulsion, sudden extraordinary acceleration, observations involving optical and infrared sensors. So crazy stuff. And, you know, the fact that they're getting all of this, you know, in terms of the infrared sensors

and being able to track these things and record them means that this was something set in motion. Like they prepared for something like this with so many UFO sightings or the, these blurry, blobby videos we see coming out and pursue, whether it's birds, balloons, or something else, it's fleeting. They didn't mean to capture these things per se, and the objects just happen to be there. This seems more intentional in some ways.

So, interesting. I'm glad Eric Burlington is continuing to pursue this, forgive the pun, and always good to hear from the Disclosure Foundation in Jordan Flowers on that as well. well. The real question is, what attracted these objects and what might the unreleased footage reveal? The public deserves to know those things. Like, what was it that is attracting these or whatever in and getting so close to these helicopters and things like that? Is it nuclear power? Is it something else? We'll get to that later in the show again when it comes to Jay Stratton. Yeah, let's move to a more sensational story.

You guys remember a couple, I don't even know what it was, a couple weeks ago when David Grush went on Joe Rogan and was talking all about the, excuse me, all about reptilian battles with alien grays and humans and people lost their lives and aliens died and, you know, all that sort of stuff. And he's saying this like straight-faced on Joe Rogan. And people are still talking about it. And fighting it pretty damn hard to believe, especially on kind of, you know, a prologue to now Jay Stratton's book coming out, which doesn't talk about any of this stuff. Which, you know, you would think that someone like David Grush and Jay Stratton, would sort of be on the same page when it came to this sort of stuff and what they know

and what has been revealed. And then David Grush goes on Rogan and talks about this? What is happening? Well, the question and or the headline of this story, could there be some truth to Grush's latest reptilian alien claims? So this is an interesting story. Christopher Sharp over at Liberation Times tackled this one. A former U.S. Army sniper has shared an extraordinary account of an alleged secret military operation near Area 51, where elite soldiers reportedly battled three reptilian extraterrestrials, leaving one American soldier dead. Interestingly, David Grush has recently discussed claims involving reptilian beings

during his appearance on Rogan raised questions about whether these stories could be connected. So what we're going to do now is play a clip from this podcast where this story came to us from. The podcast is called Liberty Risk. And Nick Betts,

who is this sniper, former sniper from the Army, is describing this as alleged encounter that he was told by a senior officer that he met. So make of that what you will. We've got third hand at this point. But let's go ahead and watch Nick Betts describe this quote-unquote encounter with possible reptiles that he was told from a senior officer.

So let me find that for you guys here. And I promise we're getting to J. Stratton. Here we go. Reptillions commence. years back, I was a brag and we're in squadron and we're on the QRF. And the QRF, we go anywhere and we have 24 hours notice. And he's like, I was out at the bar, you know, chilling with a couple of the guys. And we got a call like, hey, you need to show up the base. Like, we're moving. And so him and the other guy that were there were in the same squadron. And he's like, so we got this call. And there was no brief. There was no destination. There was no, anything. This brief was absolutely abnormal for what the squadron usually gets. And they said, hey, grab your A bag, B bag, and get a fuck on the bird. And so they all did. His squadron took off at a brag.

And, you know, a few hours later, they landed. And they landed and it's hot as fuck. And he's like, oh, fuck, are we? So they end up walking up to this hangar and a couple guys come out and walk him and pull him in and close the doors behind him and took him to a skiff. And in the skiff, in the skiff, they're like, gentlemen, welcome to area 51. And they're like, sweet. Oh, right. Which they started reading him in.

they told them that they had a big problem and that they had this base that was a few miles away um that was underground and their security element failed to regularly conduct radio checks and so then they sent a QRF element there and they have yet to hear back from the QRF element oh it's not a good sign no and they're like okay and they're like so give me a map you know tell us what we're looking at you know where are we going in where do we come out like everything you know full full battle plan of the whole situation And so now they have this whole thing. They're like, all right, well, you know, let's double tap our zeros. And they're like, hey, you got to range here.

And they're like, you don't need those guns. Like, yeah, I do. It's my f***. The fuck I don't. You don't need those guns. And so they pull out a different gun. And they give it to them. And this different gun doesn't take magazines.

And it's, it comes to men and black. It's like a ghostbuster. Meow. It's a charge. Right. So there's one. One name in this whole story that would probably prove this entire story to be absolutely true. But he wouldn't give it to you.

So they take these new guns. Jayney. They literally shoot like high energy, like it's a high energy weapon system. You know, like use these because you're in underground tunnels. So they end up getting in the Black Hawk flying over to the entry point of this installation, a few miles outside area 51. I get to this point and begin insertion going down this tunnel. as opposed to taking the elevator. And so they're taking this tunnel and they're all going down and they finally get down.

And it's like this long hallway with a T intersection that's going out. This is how we explained it to me. And so they're coming up and they're doing their full stack and they're moving down the hallway. And they get the either end. And then they probably come around, but they notice that the hallway kind of does like this like horseshoe curve around. So they're like, all right, you stay outside. I'm inside. And they're coming around.

Someone's watching six. And they keep on going around. As they're coming around on this outside, the outside left guy can get hosed with one of the guns that they're using. like straight to the chest and die. What the fuck? And so then they come down with hammer and you know elevate force of force. And so then they come in and they said that they

shot this creature that was bipedal mildly reptilian looking but had fingers and was using this weapon system. And it was, you know, almost looked like a independent day like underground where they have like the glass of windows and like things like that and like access points with like full handprints and like biometric

and then also an iris reader and he's like dude i've never seen anything like this and i've been in the pentagon in the basement of pentagon yeah and so they asked how many were down there like you know what's our you know what's our force look like they said only three so apparently they they killed all three and um the body of their boy um they had to essentially chalk up uh the cremated it right away which was against his beliefs because he was catholic and so they tried to fight that um and they chalked out as he burned in hot on a training accident so he was telling the story he was talking about like heading back but uh area 51 and and like their command wouldn't let them take uh their boy's body back in the casket like he had to stay there

apparently in order to sterilize everything but they had to fucking signed a bunch of different documents oh okay that is a lot to take in a lot to take in um a lot of people are asked is that guy on coke no i did um i did put the video up to like two per two times the speed for copyright purposes. And yeah, and I just didn't want the clip to be super long. The story was much bigger, the setup and the aftermath sort of, but we don't have time to get into all of that. But what do you guys think?

I mean, this is a story told to him by someone else who was apparently there when this happened. This underground reptilian battle between humans and these creatures. It kind of reminds me of a little something. And I'm going to bring this up because David Grush did talk about similar things on Joe Rogan. And it reminds me of something called the Shaver Mysteries. You guys remember these back in like the gosh, 40s? I think it was maybe even earlier. But we had these pulp comics and pulp stories, sci-fi stories about guess what?

underground bases where creatures lived in the earth and humans would go down to battle them in these underground facilities and whatnot. Sounds a little familiar. So the claims bear striking similarities to the Shabor mysteries of the 1940s. Nick Betts described an alleged classified operation in which elite soldiers armed with energy weapons confronted three reptilian creatures inside a military facility. The story echoes Richard Shaver's claims of underground civilizations inhabited by malevolent beings called Deiros, who possessed advanced technology and weapons and allegedly terrorized humanity.

Adding to the intrigue, Grush discussed similar allegations involving reptilian-looking beings and violent military encounters during his recent appearance on Rogan. While none of these claims have been independently verified, the parallels raise an intriguing question. Are we hearing new revelations or modern retellings of a UFO mythology dating back more than 80 years? What do you guys think? Is this all just recycling of the early, early days of euphology with the Deiros and all that? I don't know. I don't know. Jamie.

Let's see. What does Jamie say? I'm having a really hard time believing any of this. So true. So, so true. I do want to give a special shout out as well to our good friend, David Unger. Either it's all a joke or none of it is. Bruce Banner in Avengers Endgame. There's probably more truth to it than we might otherwise believe.

So make of that what you will. Thank you so much for being here, David. Thanks so much for the donation, buddy. Truly do appreciate that. Let me know what you guys think. Like, this David Crush thing is just really, really rubbing me the wrong way. And it kind of rubbed someone else the wrong way as well. Someone who actually works in public relations.

And that is Chrissy Newton, colleague of the show, friend of the show. And she had something interesting to say on Twitter. And I'm going to put this full screen so you can see it. This is kind of in response to Jay Stratton's book, but more in response to the Grush thing. Christy Newton said over on Twitter, There's no mention of Gray's fighting reptilians in Jay Stratton's book. If I were Stratton, I'd be pretty pissed that Grush went over his head and decided to go on the biggest podcast in the world to control the UAP narrative,

sensationalizing it and bringing the attention back to himself. Now Jay Stratton is left fielding media questions this week about Grush's comments on Rogan while Grush is essentially signaling to Jay that he's

the lead in this narrative, not him. You'd think Grush would give Jay the field and pass him the ball, but no. The biggest question is, who told Grush to run this narrative? and why. Interesting. That, you know, Chrissy Newton is pretty well known to be very balanced and, and open-minded when it comes to all of the players in the UFO field and all that. And for her to

come out and basically say, like, grush, what the hell are you doing, man? Like, you're totally throwing everyone else kind of under the bus with these extremely sensational claims that, to be completely honest, true or not, right now come off as delegitimizing this topic overall. I hate to say that. For the man who came out and spoke before Congress and has spoken to the intelligence agencies and gone into skiffs and talked about all the stuff, if this is the stuff he was telling Congress, like, Of course they're not going to believe him. Again, do we have proof that it's real or not? No.

Does anyone? I don't know. Nobody really knows. But it doesn't make the topic look good. I will tell you that much. Or it's all true. But I will say this. It does not make Grush look good when the highest official, like,

just came out with a book talking about the UFO legacy programs, which is what Grush talked about when he first came out. It doesn't look good when kind of the head of that doesn't mention any of this stuff in his book that just came out. I just wish these people were on the same page. To me, it sounds like dueling narratives and I don't know. Maybe it's egos, but like it's like they all, want a piece of this disclosure pie and to be known as the one.

And we'll get to that a little bit later too. But let's see. Ontological shock says, I really appreciated Grush talking to Congress. But even if his comments are accurate, I agree that his statements are making you a piece seem like a less serious topic. Yeah. And I mean, again,

it would have been nice if he had given someone like Jay Stratton, the heads up, like Chrissy said, that, hey, I'm going on Joe Rogan. And I'm going to say some pretty crazy shit. No, he didn't do that. Like, he just went on and said all this stuff. So, really took a lot of people by surprise. And I still don't know what to think or feel about that Rogan thing.

Therein lay the rub, there is no actual proof for anything that Grush, Lou, or Jay says. And as Ryan says, none of these dudes are on the same page. Yeah, that's what, that's the problem. That is the problem that no matter. You know, you've got people like Matthew Brown with the Immaculate Constellation thing. Then you have Dylan Borland over here. Then you got Lou Elizondo over here, Grush over there. Like, none of them seem to be telling the same story.

They all have different kind of narratives. And, you know, again, that's not to say that they're not telling the truth. Maybe they all do have different pieces of the big overarching disclosure pie. or maybe some of them are telling accurate stories and some are just telling what they are fed to be told. Did that make sense?

They're being fed things that they then go out and talk about. I guess it would be my better way of saying that. I don't think that's a better way of saying it. You know what I mean. So I don't know. It's just all a mess. And then you have stories like Christopher Sharp put out And I'm not blaming Christopher Sharp.

Like he's just reporting on things that he has seen or heard on podcasts and stuff like that. And this story about that this army sniper told about someone else who experienced something. It's just, you know, I don't know. It's just these stories being regurgitated in some ways. So, oh, a mess. That is my long-winded way of saying, do you believe in reptilians? Because we got a lot of people talking about them right now. A lot of people talking about it.

But I don't know. I don't know what to make of it. You guys let me know what you think. Karen says, but if what he says is true, at what point will that information be taken seriously? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I think the only way it's going to be taken seriously is if any of these people, Grush, Stratton, Elizondo, Hale put off.

I don't know. Dylan Borland, Matthew Brown, like, if they show the evidence. And to an extent, all of them have done that in some ways. But not enough to like, obviously not enough to show the skeptics that what they're saying is real and true. But also not enough for the public overall. We will get to J. Stratton in just a little bit. And a lot of people are like, I don't know. You're like, I'm not not buying it.

It's just, again, stories being told in some ways, in some ways. Interesting now. Hello, Skywatch Signal is here. Good to have you, my friend. I'm just going through the chat here. Cool, cool, cool. All right. So, we are going to dive deep, deep, deep, deep into the J. Stratton book that just came out called Out of the Shadows.

Let me know in the live chat. Have you guys had a chance to read any of it yet? A lot of people haven't even gotten their copies yet, which is pretty crazy. It's not even available here in the UK, which is extremely disappointing. Like, yes, a million people have said the audiobook, I don't do audiobooks. I'm not like, I listen to podcasts. That's the only audio I listen to. I need a book to read and make notes. and to feel the pages. Like, I am a writer. And while it's good that there's books out there on audio and e-books even, like, no, not for me, not for me. I need that thing in my hand and I need to scribble in it. And I need to do the million different, you know, color-coded, what are those

things called sticky things that Suzanne's always using? And yeah, yeah, that's what I need. That's what I need. So, yeah, what's going on. on. Like, why is it not available here in the UK? That is ridiculous. Come on. Come on. Get on that Dan Farah or whoever is Jay Stratton's handler at this point. Let's see. Let's see here. Okay, cool. So we're going to get to the book in just a minute. Let's take a very quick break. And we're going to be right back. We're going to reset the room. Say hello to Suzanne. She is in the chat with you guys here for as long as she can be. Her power has

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it. Jay Stratton. The book is out. Who's read it? Let me know in the chat. Let me know your thoughts, theories, opinions. But I'm going to give you guys some of mine as well. But a little about who Jay Stratton is before we kind of get to, you know, what he's saying, what some of his claims are. So Jay Stratton is a former senior U.S. intelligence official with over 32 years of military and government service, including leadership roles at the Defense Intelligence Agency and Office of Naval Intelligence. He helped establish the Pentagon secretive OSAP and ATIP UFO programs and became the first director of the UAP Task Force. And now in his new book, Out of the Shadows, He's revealing what he claims to have uncovered during decades of investigating the UFO phenomenon.

So let's start there. This guy was basically the one responsible for ASAP, you know, this advanced weapon system application program that worked at Skinwalker Ranch and worked with Bob Bigelow and all that stuff going on there to the point where Jay Stratton even went to Skinwalker Ranch at one point. I believe he was the pseudonymed axle rod that you read about in those Skinwalkers at the Pentagon books. That was Jay Stratton. And he had some weird experiences at Skinwalker Ranch. So we'll get to one of those weird experiences, at least one of them in just a little bit. But the book, the book. We need to start at the very beginning.

And that's with the forward to the book. Now, the forward in this book was written by Hal Putoff. And if you are even slightly, you know, in the know in the UFO community, you know that name. Hal Putoff. How put off was a, is, excuse me, a physicist and former chief scientist of Ossap. And he worked directly with Jay Stratton for over two decades. So, I mean, that makes sense that someone who worked very, closely with this man at these different locations and on these programs would write the

forward for it. Howe Putoff is very well known in the UFO community, perhaps even infamous to many out there. Hell Putoff also worked with Tom DeLong over at Two, the Stars Academy when all that happened. Howe put off has been around for a long ass time, going back to the days of like SRI and the remote viewing stuff that the penthouse. the gun was doing back in the day with you know pat price and doc valet and and uh e regalor and all that so i mean good lord this man has been in the UFO mythos for gosh longer than i've even been alive so it's crazy

um 90 years someone said i don't know what that's in relationship uh but yeah yeah so he wrote the forward to the book and he backs up a lot of the claims that would eventually come forward in this book um So there you go. I can't think of maybe a more appropriate person to write the forward to the book, whether you buy into what Hal Putoff has to say or what credence you put into that. He is the one who wrote it. He's 90 years old. DCP says, wow, that's crazy.

Crazy, crazy. Jack Valet just had a birthday, too, I think. 83, 85, something like that. Speaking of which, guess who's on the podcast tomorrow? Jacques Valet. So I'll talk a little bit more about that later in the episode. But yeah, forward written by hell put off. But let's get to some of the notable claims in the book.

And it really does start with something. So Jay Stratton, I think it was in the Age of Disclosure documentary. He did say, I have seen non-human entities and non-human craft with my own eyes. He makes no bones about it. We are not alone. This isn't some vague non-human biologics or whatever the stuff Grouch was saying in the early days. It is, yeah, there's aliens and I've seen them with my own eyes. So a lot of people were wondering, wait, what?

like, okay, is this during, like you've seen videos of this? You've seen photos or were you at a place where a dead alien was? Like, what are you talking about? You've seen these alien entities and whatnot. We'll get to it. We'll get to it. What I'm going to start with here is a clip where,

not about beings, but kind of what evidence inspired him to get involved with a lot of this stuff. in terms of like video evidence or things like that. So let's watch this clip of Jay Stratton talking about the book with a news anchor over at Fox News first. And then we've got the other side of the aisle, guys. We've got some CNN interviews as well. So let's start with this one where he talks about what kind of got him to start the UAP task force and work with all SAP and all that kind of stuff.

because Jay Stratton has a history with space warfare sort of stuff and the highest technology, highly, the highest of sophisticated technology when it comes to aircraft and spacecraft. And he's got a lot of knowledge in that stuff. And then there were things he saw that he could not explain. So let's get to this first clip here of Jay talking on Fox News. For this for 16 years. Simple question. Are we alone?

No, Brett, we're not. Humanity is not the only intelligent life in the universe, nor do we know the intent of the non-human intelligent life that's here. It's very concerning. So you say that, but how do you know? Brett, let me take you back to where it started. I was at the Defense Intelligence Agency as the Chief of Air and Space Warfare. In that role, I was responsible for emerging and disruptive threats. And also, I had access to our most classified programs. I understood where our technology is and where our technology is going. And I also understood the technology levels of the adversaries.

And it was during that period that a colleague brought to me a video of a triangular UAP flying over a nuclear missile silos, somewhere on a most secure airspace. And it was flying in ways that I could not comprehend at the time. It was flying in ways demonstrated capabilities that exceeded ours. Well, let me read that part from the book. Quote, a black triangle aircraft, no wings, no tail, no exhaust, no visible propulsion of any kind, as if the fundamental laws of physics simply didn't apply. Take me to that day in your life.

Somebody hands you that video, taken near this nuclear weapons storage site, and what do you see, what do you do? Well, it's very telling, because in that position with the Defense Intelligence Agency, I was uniquely qualified to identify anything flying in the airspace. So when I'm watching something,

as an aerospace engineer that's demonstrating capabilities that I don't understand and can't comprehend, that was eye-opening and moving for me. I needed to understand this technology, and I needed to understand who had it. Okay, so it was kind of a video that he saw that kind of ushered in a lot of this, which is interesting.

Who showed him the video? Will we ever see that video? These are the questions. And I will be asking a lot of questions as these claims go on in terms of the book and stuff as well. I don't have answers to these questions, but I think these are questions. We do need answers to.

a lot of people are commenting on he sounds like he's reading off of a script yes uh and you will notice this in the media that j straton has done so far it's clear he's kind of new to public speaking um or he's being overcoached and i think it's a little bit of both he's very uh detailed and um eloquent and and says what he needs to say. But there is a hint of extremely pre-planned soundbites going on here. And look, you got five, maybe eight minutes on a news thing like this. So you've got to get in what you can get in. And right now, it's very clear he's trying to sell the book.

But yes, he does come off very scripted. Literally, there will be times in some of these clips where you hear him. mess up a word, go back and like take the same line again, like he's in a play. Look, look, look, I come from a theater background. I am extremely performative. I am very self-aware of that. I get shit for it all the time, whether it's on these live streams or in my podcast. Some people absolutely hate it.

But when I see it in other people like this, he does come off a little bit scripted. But, okay, we're not here to review his performance. We're here to review his claims, right? So let's get back to that as well. Let's go to another clip here. Let's see, which one is this? Oh, this one comes to us from CNN. And when it comes to J. Stratton claiming to have seen non-human entities,

this did not come in the form of going to a site of a UFO crash and seeing a body or, you know, being part of like some government program or going to an investigation where something was going on and he saw the craft and he saw the being. This witness alien being, as it were, was in his home. in his home. So let's go ahead and watch this second clip, and we'll talk a little bit more about that. This clip comes to us from CNN. Give me a minute while I pull this up here. And then we'll get to the actual claims in the book.

And I credit you for putting it at the beginning. You talk about how in 2014 you go to your son's room and you see outside the window, quote, non-human being staring at my son. It's gray and has a large head with small black eyes, no noticeable nose and a small mouth. Stardled, it turns to face me, a few seconds of standoff, the light goes dark and it's gone. So there are going to be a lot of people who hear that and think, I don't know if I can believe that. What do you say to them? It's the big picture. I had spent a number of years investigating UAP and non-human

intelligent life on behalf of the U.S. government. I'm married. I have two children, and for many and many years, my work was so classified that I couldn't talk about it. And it was like the door to my home was the blockade to two different realms, right? And the fact that non-human intelligence life, as I was investigating on behalf of the government, they seemed to be investigating me or starting to pay attention to me, and that followed me home.

And on one hand, I was upset that my work had followed me home, But on the other, it was a relief because now I can talk to my family about what I have been investigating and what I've been doing. And it helped us come closer as a family. I mean, really, this should have torn us apart. But instead, it brought us closer together. And ultimately, we were just an ordinary family living in extraordinary life. But you were the only one that saw it that night, right? Your wife didn't see it.

Your son didn't see it. That's correct. He's like, yeah, yeah, cool. That's so awesome about your family. No one else saw the alien, right? you just we okay just want to make that clear I love that um okay so you know he doesn't really go into too much detail in this interview about that again these interviews are so brief so you know soundbite but um he does go a little bit more into detail in the book and this is literally in the beginning

of the book he starts it off with this alien quote unquote in the window thing so a little bit more context. On March 12th, 2014, Stratton allegedly witnessed a gray, large-headed entity staring through a window at his sleeping sun. The being reportedly turned toward him before disappearing along with a mysterious light. So there you go. There you go. That's pretty, that's a big claim, big claim, that he saw an alien. in his window and it seemed to be looking in at his son. Why? Why was it looking at his son?

I think he goes more into detail of why he thinks it might be. His son was suffering from, I think, some sort of kidney ailment of some sort. And he believes that maybe the entity had helped his son in some way. I guess he got better after this or something like that. I'd have to go back and read a little bit more. to it. And I want to make it clear. I have not read the entire book. I have a e-copy of it that I've been going through. But like I said, I'm not an audiobook sort of person. So I just, that's not the way that I do it. So I have skimmed a lot of the book and tried to pull some of the

things that really stood out to me. I have watched a few other interviews to be completely transparent. Andy McGillan did a fantastic breakdown about the Jay Stratton book. He did two, actually. He did one by himself, kind of his immediate reactions. And then he did another conversation with our good friend Pavel over at Sico Act Depot as well. So I highly recommend you guys go check those out too. But yeah, so we're going to play off of some of that stuff and some of the stuff that I read in the book as well that I was able to look at. But let's talk about a couple more of these personal experiences that Jay Stratton had to. At Skinwalker Ranch, Jay Stratton claims he witnessed a triangular craft and a seven to eight

foot tall shimmering figure resembling the cloaked predator. So that's nuts, too. He also describes paranormal activity following him home, including footsteps, moving objects, orbs and wolf-like creatures reportedly witnessed by his family. So it's not just him seeing this alien in the window, but, you know, his wife, his son have reported a lot of this paranormal activity that could perhaps be considered hitchhiker effects. He went to Skinwalker Ranch, saw some weird ass shit, and then brought it home with it. Make of that what you will.

He even mentions in the book that people like Kit Green and Gary Nguer. Nolan actually went to his house and collected samples at his home of some of this stuff. And we're having to test it at labs and stuff. And Travis Taylor, you know, this guy from Skinwalker Ridge, he installed equipment that reportedly detected unusual radio frequency and gamma radiation spikes at the home of J. Stratton. So what is going on? It's like the Ghostbusters.

It's crazy. That being said, these are just claims in the book. Where is the evidence? Where's the data? Can Travis Taylor, Gary Nolan speak to any of that? They should. Now that it's out there in the public, these are things that we should be able to publicly see and or know about their findings when it came to that stuff. So yeah.

This is kind of where a lot of people are going with the whole trust me, bro, thing. I think what people were expecting when Jay Stratton said, I have seen non-human intelligence, I have seen non-human craft. They thought that he meant in a official capacity, quote, unquote. You could consider Skinwalker Ranch, him going there and working with the offset program and all that, you could consider that official in some ways. But when it comes to really seeing a non-human intelligence,

this gray alien, as it were, this was something that he saw at his home in the middle of the night, in a bright light, and then it disappeared. So I think a lot of people are kind of frustrated with that. They were expecting the claims in his book to be backed up by, like, you know, data, evidence, photograph, something, something. Instead, we get another story, which again, I can't criticize too much because that's what I do in this field. I tell stories and I platform stories of UFO witnesses. Do I have proof that any of these accounts happen, the hundreds of

thousands that I've collected and or put out there? No, I don't. So I understand the hypocrisy, But I think when it comes to a book like this, we need more evidence, documented evidence and things like that. And that will become more relevant as we move on to some of the bigger claims that he made. Not that seeing an alien in your window is not a big claim. But the next big thing, I think, in the book that a lot of people are talking about is Jay says that Lockheed Martin allegedly possessed or possesses 12 recovered craft and occupants. Lockheed Martin alone possessed or possesses 12 craft. And bodies? What?

If that's just what Lockheed has, what do other private contractors have? What do other government agencies have in their possession? So that's a pretty big claim that they have at least 12. craft of some sort. Crazy, crazy. So this claim that Jay is making, once again, is not really backed up by any evidentiary things. It was told to him by a former Lockheed executive, Jim Ryder,

which a lot of the information in this book was kind of pulled from, things that Jim Ryder had told Jay Stratton, during his time looking into this topic. Former Lockheed executive Jim Ryder allegedly told Stratton in 2009 that Lockheed possessed 12 recovered craft of non-human origin. Some allegedly contained biological occupants

including beings recovered alive. Those reportedly recovered alive eventually did die, refusing food or contact. interesting that they would put that in there. Like, did they die of hunger? Like, why were they refusing the food or contact? We don't know. We don't know. But apparently all of the occupants died.

Stratton does not claim to personally have inspected these 12 craft. He describes an alleged UFO legacy program involving the CIA Air Force, Department of Energy and private contractors. Companies named included Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, Patel, and others. So he is naming the places that we have been hearing about for years, whether it's through David Grush, whether it's through George Knapp, whether it's through some of these other whistleblowers that have come forward. So he's kind of backing up what some of these guys have said to Congress and whatnot,

Not that, yeah, you should be looking at the private contractors and all these aerospace companies and whatnot. So, yeah, legacy program. That seems to be the big thing here. Something I think he calls in the book, the hidden hand is what he calls this legacy program, which is interesting. Apparently, Ryder also told Stratton that some non-human technology had been successfully reverse and engineered. The technology was supposedly so sensitive that it would remain secret even during conventional warfare. So, I mean, that's interesting. We always hear like if we have this reverse engineered alien technology, why are we not seeing it play out in, you know, the war in Ukraine,

the war in Gaza, these wars that have been going on, you know, all over the world for decades that the U.S. sometimes finds themselves part of, if not all of them. And they're saying, like, they're even keeping this hidden from modern day warfare. So when are they going to use it? Is the real question? Like, what's the end game here when it comes to, we always hear they're militarizing this technology, but for what? And when? When is it going to be used?

Like, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of innocent people are dying all over the world from these senseless wars. Like, when is going to be the right time to bust it out? That's the real question. So that's an interesting claim. Some recovered craft reportedly appeared larger inside than outside. It's like Alice in Wonderland or Doctor Who, I guess, too. An attempted transfer of a recovered craft from Lockheed Martin to Bigelow's Ossap facilities was allegedly blocked. This is not new.

this has been claimed by individuals as well, people like James Lackatsky and Bob Bigelow and whatnot, but Jay Stratton seems to be either backing this up or just regurgitating what he's heard from these people. And that's a big

issue I want to get to in just a little bit. I'm going to go up in the chat before I go even further. It does, unfortunately, look like we may have lost. She said, oh, she's still in the chat. She's still in the chat. So I just wanted to make sure I'm just going to scroll up, see if I missed anything.

Thank you so much to biologist, the late fee. Appreciate the super chat, my friend. I saw we got a couple others here, too. I do want to shout you guys out before I move on. Ontological shock says, I'm not rich, but here's 15 for 10 years of awesome UAP stories, content, live streams, and all the excellent stuff you do. That is so kind. Thank you.

Thank you so much. Thanks for supporting us for over 10 years of the podcast. I cannot tell you guys what that means to me. You know, I get a little, we're living in an age where the commodification of euphology is at its peak, whether it's like, you know, these big celebrities getting involved in the topic and having their podcasts or, you know, the Rogans and things like that. It's so hard as an independent podcaster

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I don't want it to sound like I'm like disparaging them. They do great work. They do great work. Okay. Let's get to another big claim in the book. We talked earlier in the show about luring in, baiting in UFOs. And this is pretty interesting. This is something that Jay Stratton personally was involved with when it comes to baiting UFO.

So let's watch this clip from one of the news segments that he was involved with. did and we'll talk a little bit more about what he did like what he actually did so here we go check this out you write this our bait would be a nuclear submarine draw a ua p in close enough to monitor track and if possible capture or recover so basically you used a u.s nuclear submarine as bait explain that i worked on several efforts to do this and it culminated when i had access to a nuclear submarine that I could put out off the East Coast. And I had a P3, a Navy submarine hunting with a lot of different equipment on it. And I parked it out there to try and capture information data on this UAP.

What happened? And it worked. On their very first mission, a UAP appeared, and the P3 worked to collect on the, and data was collected on that mission. Ooh. Data was collected on that mission. this guy put out a nuclear sub. What?

Like, first of all, how do you get access to something like that? Like, that's money. That's time. That's people that have to man that thing. And then to just put it out there to bait in these UFOs. Man, that's crazy to me. That's one of the most interesting things I found in the, book so far as this baiting sort of thing. They even go as so far as to name these things,

interloper and warlock. The interloper proposal and warlock missions involving a specially equipped P3 aircraft. Okay, so it's an aircraft as well. Claims nuclear signatures can attract UAP, potentially allowing investigators to collect repeatable observational data. where's the data why wasn't it in the book where's the data why wasn't it in the book where's the data why wasn't it in the book rule of three guys

rule of three in comedy abduct that like button hides in long grass says thanks for being here buddy yes please hit that like button if you haven't already truly do appreciate that thank you guys thank you thank you thank you But yeah, that was pretty interesting, the whole baiting UFOs thing. But again, just like the claims of the legacy program and all that, the reverse engineering technology that James Ryder told him about, like, where is the evidence of that?

We're just, like, it's just a story. It's just a story. It's hard. It's hard, guys. I think what I wanted in a lot of this is more evidence, more data. but who am I? I'm just the story, guys. So maybe I am personally asking too much, but I don't think I am.

A bit more controversial stuff in the book. Stratton's thoughts on Lou Elizondo and David Grush. So in the book, Stratton claims he originally devised the atyp name and later used it for his working group. And he describes Luis Elizondo as a colleague. rather than identifying him as the leader of the effort. So, you know, this is no, this isn't, I guess, new, new. There seems to be some, I guess, miscommunications or contention between Jay Stratton and Lou Elizondo in terms of, like, Lou's role in ATIP, which we have learned from people like

James Lackatsky that ATIP was nothing but like this little, get together like a club almost, a quote-unquote working group and even a, I guess a smokescreen name that Jay Stratton used for Ossap at one point. But I think he's kind of alluding that, yeah, ATIP wasn't really a thing. There was just some people getting together and maybe collecting some UFO sightings and whatnot. But there was no like actual investigations going on or like ahead of it or a director of it or anything like that, it was like a quote unquote working group, which

I don't personally know the definition of that. But yeah, it does sound like maybe a little shade was thrown towards Elizondo, but he does also say, like, yeah, yeah, like this was a thing. I did work with Lou. Lou was a part of this, but yeah, it does seem like maybe he's like, hey, like, I know

Elizondo was the first to come forward and like, with his book imminent and unidentified and do the stars and all that. But like, I was the one working behind the scenes and I was the one to put all of this together. Like I, you know, and maybe this is just his way of being like, don't forget about me. And this is why Jay Stratton is now, quote, coming out of the shadows. So, so yeah, make of that what you will. He says that Elizondo and Christopher Mellon helped generate public interest beginning around 2017

while Stratton continued working behind the scenes. There you go. broadly, he supports the work of David Grush's testimony, saying it aligns with information encountered through his investigations. However, this is going to be interesting to see how this plays out because what about what we talked about earlier with the reptilian battles and the grays and all this crazy stuff that Grush said on the Joe Rogan show. So my question to you guys is, do you think that Jay Stratton will go on Rogan? He's clearly going to go on a show that big. You know, he's not coming on somewhere in the skies. He's not coming on another UFO podcasts.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Andy got him. I don't know. I don't know what's going on beyond the scenes. Andy and I talk off air sometimes about like certain guests we have on so that we're not stepping on each other's toes. But I'm pretty sure he'd let me know if Jay Stratton was coming. not his show or not. So yeah, I have a good feeling in the next couple weeks. We will see Jay Stratton on Joe Rogan. And it'll be interesting to hear him have to tackle some of the

stuff that David Grush said. You know, obviously this book was completed and gone through the process and went through dobs or all that stuff and went through editing and then was published. The final draft of this book was a while ago. So clearly, the stuff that Grush just said will not be in the book unless Jay Stratton was also aware of some of the stuff that Grush said and decided not to put it in the book for some strange reason.

Or maybe it's just not true. Like, again, this guy should know more than what David Grush knows. So, I don't know. I don't know. Lucy is here. She says, I would be surprised if he doesn't go on Rogan, but he does seem uncomfortable with interviews. Yeah, yeah.

You know, right now he's just trying to get the book out there. And, you know, it's not easy. It's not easy being interviewed. I'm literally flying home to the States in two days to speak at my former college, to speak on a panel. And look, I've done UFO conferences for decades now in front of two people and in front of thousands of people. it never gets easier.

I get nervous as hell every single time. Doesn't matter if there's two people or a thousand. So it's not easy. It's not easy to do stuff like this, especially when the cameras are on, the lights are on you, you know, and you're trying to just stay in the moment.

So I can't blame him for that, but it is clear that he, he's being coached by someone, I'm guessing, like Dave Farah, who's kind of like in charge, not in charge, that sounds demeaning,

but it's kind of hands. handling all the press and publicity for for jay because as we have learned um Dave Dan ferra excuse me um is working with j stratton not only on his book and on the age of disclosure documentary but a television series based on this book out of the shadows so that's happening too so we got that to uh look forward to in the future too um okay this is where things get spicy. Jay Stratton in the book throws some serious arrows at Arrow. I had to.

I had to. Specifically, former director of Arrow, Sean Kirkpatrick. So Stratton directly accuses former Arrow director, Sean Kirkpatrick, of obstructing investigations and misrepresenting evidence and suggests that these actions helped protect the alleged UFO legacy program. Claims that even officials with his intelligence credentials were denied access to with important information. What?

That's crazy. He's literally saying that Sean Kirkpatrick is a part of the legacy program and the cover-up. That is a huge claim. Huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge claim. what do you guys think of that um i'll tell you what sean kirkpatrick thinks of that i want to give a shout out to reporter ben streckenger i hope i'm pronouncinger ben streckinger excuse me ben i do apologize over at paradigm um i'm going to link to this article later in retrospect but he was able to get an on-record quote from Sean Kirkpatrick about this claim that Jay Stratton made about Kirkpatrick being a part of the legacy program, the hidden hand, as it were.

So let's go ahead and give this a look. So in an interview with Sean Kirkpatrick, he said, quote, in response to this claim, that's the most absurd thing I've heard today. I'm sure Jay offers no evidence of this allegation, although he clearly has a lot to gain by making it because it makes people buy his book. The only classified information Congress has on this fictitious program is the information I and others presented them on what violations of national security law

Jay and his band of pseudoscientists have committed. However, since they also managed to, to go strike the whistleblower protection legislation for themselves, no one can prosecute them. There is no legacy program, and apparently the lack of critical thinking skills is culturally pervasive now. Wow. What law is Jay Stratton breaking when it comes to national security? That's what I want to know. He literally has to put the book through Dobser that goes through and make sure

there's no classified information being shared to threaten national security in any way. What law? That's, what a weird thing to say? That he broke some law. Unless he's talking about like something that Jay did.

Yeah, this is pretty crazy that Sean Kirkpatrick is accusing Jay Stratton of breaking some sort of national security law. And then it turned Jay Stratton is accusing him of being a part of the cover-up and the UFO legacy program. So, man, man. Suzanne, David Unger says, Suzanne will tell you the only law Jay broke

is the one Sean made up in his own feeble mind. Interesting. Interesting stuff. Interesting stuff. So that was a pretty big claim in the book, too. He really went after He really went after Sean Kirkpatrick.

Oh, this was some more interesting stuff that he brought up. He brought up that he rejects claims that Air Force personnel confiscated all of the Nimitz UFO encounter data. He also rejects rumors of a longer higher resolution version of the

original Nimitz video. So that's interesting. We have heard from certain people that were involved with a Nimitz event that, you know, tapes were taken, confiscated, and the data was taken off the ship, and that there is a longer version of the TikTok video that some claim to have seen. But Jay Stratton is saying, no, there is no longer version of the video, at least not to his knowledge. and the data was not taken off the ship. So that's weird. Butch, welcome, Butch. Watch the UAP hearings in Congress that Kirkpatrick testified under oath.

It's obviously, obviously he was lying. He said there was no credible evidence. I don't know about Stratton. Yeah, yeah, he did go in front of, I think it was, gosh, the Senate committee or something like that. He never spoke in front of Congress as far as I know. But, but yeah, yeah, yeah. who cares he's not even a part of any of it anymore we got to keep our eye on the new director

we haven't heard from him in a while kazlowski i'd like to know what he's been up to over there trying to make some deals with uh the national ufo historical records center that's what he's doing um so yeah interesting um oh jay stratton also warns that fabricated UFO narratives have entered congressional testimony. So he's saying that some of these people under Oath in front of Congress are either lying or have presented factually incorrect information or complete fabrication of things. That's crazy. Who's he referring to? So he goes as far as to say, yeah, some of the stuff brought to Congress, not real or inaccurate.

but he doesn't mention who those individuals may be who have testified before Kronkirs or what is inaccurate or a lie or inaccurate or fact factually wrong. I don't know. So yeah, that's a pretty big claim too that he made in the book. Yeah, yeah. UFOs around the world is here. Welcome, my friend. Always good to see you.

If you're not subscribed to UFOs around the world, guys. Check them out right here on YouTube. does fantastic, fantastic work. Jay was part of the suppression of the tech he used to silence them. This was told well before his book to me. Makes sense. There you go. There you go.

Okay. So let's move to kind of these final two news clips I'm going to show for you guys. And kind of what the overarching message is, Jay Stratton, seems to be getting out with a book. What he wants to happen next when it comes to all this. And I'm not talking about a TV show or fame and fortune or anything like that. I'm talking about why he wrote the book and kind of what he hopes will happen after the book is out there to the public, which it is right now. So, oh, David says, Jay called out fake whistleblowers at Phnomicon, but never elaborated as to who. There you go.

So, again, like, dude, if you're going to put it, in your book, like, at least tell us who you're referring to. If these people are lying and you want to be the bearer of truth, like, out them. I don't know if this is like some weird business tactic. Like you don't want to ruffle feathers, but you've made the claim. Now, back it up. That's kind of where I'm at when it comes to who he's saying testified. Like was it Schellenberger?

Was it Elizondo? Was it Borland? Was it one of the whistle? Like, was it the NASA guy? My goal? Like, I doubt that. But who is the one or one's lying? Lekatsky said the same thing in his interviews with Corbell, but he also wouldn't name anyone.

So like, guys, if you're going to make that claim, like, you can at least let us know who it is so that we don't further listen to. the misinformation they're putting out there. Come on. Come on. This seems like a little tease. UFOs around the world says, you're going to be hearing some stuff about Project Starhook over the coming weeks. A friend was left a trove of information by her grandfather and uncle.

They worked with Edward Teller. Hmm. Interesting. Edward Teller has a lot of history when it comes to Area 51 and stuff like that. So that'll be interesting. EG and G, I should say. We look forward to that. Thanks for the little T's there, my friend. I truly do appreciate that.

Let's see. Let's get to these final two clips. I'm going to show you guys. And we're going to start to close things out here. Because again, like I think the book is worth reading. That's for sure. And I want to know what you guys take out of it. These are just some periphery.

surface level things that I have dug up to talk about tonight. But let's watch these final two clips from CNN and Fox and kind of what Jay Stratton wants people to take away from the book and what he thinks kind of has to happen next. What's the bottom line? The bottom line is that we are not the only intelligent life in the universe and we don't know the intent of the non-human intelligent life that's here. We have ongoing UAP activity over sensitive military and UAP sites. And on top of that, UAP poses a significant safety of flight concern for military and civilian aviation.

And as that stigma comes down that you were discussing, we get more and more reports. And if you didn't know, we have five reports a day roughly of civilian aviation airline pilots that are reporting UEP incidents. That's a huge win because the stigma has come down enough that people are talking about it. Are there more people in the U.S. government and in the U.S. military, either current or retired, who believe in UAPs, who believe a lot of the same things that you are talking about, but don't say it publicly. I think believe is a word that should go away, because we have enough evidence, enough data, enough multisensors.

Whatever word you want, who know, whatever you want. To know or have seen the data behind all of that and come forward. I do know for a fact, in my experience, again, over 16 years of doing this, that I had naval aviators, for example, who felt very comfortable in coming forward to report things like Commander Dave Fravor and the documentary, but I had naval aviators that will pull me to the side and say that they have seen things, but to put their name down and the actual to a formal report was a step too far for them. So I had to really, really build the confidence in the system and the process so that these

aviators will feel comfortable to come forward because it was too important for me not to know what's happening and where it's happening, because if you look at the UAP Task Force, the whole government effort that I built of all the agencies across the government, I had a responsibility to Congress, had a responsibility to the executive, to the president, to make sure that we understood what was going on to the best of our ability. We collected on this information and that we reported it and tried to put it in context for our senior leadership. Critics say, if this is real, why put it in a book that you're selling? Why not, say to Capitol Hill, I'm here, this is what I know, let's talk about this. I've briefed Congress numerous times. I was one of

the first to brief Congress on this topic in the modern era in 2007 when I briefed Senator Harry read and I continue that through the rest of the next 16 years until I left the government retired the book it puts everything in context in it and it brings it together it's evergreen it covers uap cases over u.s military bases that haven't been discussed yet it gives you descriptions and details of recovered craft but you know everybody's asking here yeah are they hostile what but we don't know the intent sad for me to say after 16 plus years of looking this for the government and, you know, 20 plus years are looking at it. We do not know the intent. We do not know the intent. That seems to be kind of, you know, the big thing he's putting out there is, you know,

we have evidence, we have data, we have, you know, we're able to draw these things in, lure them in, but we don't know their intent. Again, make of that what you will. I see a lot of chat. I see a lot of chat. are in the live chat, people being like, he's just trying to sell a book. Like, he's going to get rich off of this and all that. And then others saying, you don't make a lot of money writing books. And that is for damn sure.

I can attest to that. Like, again, I'm not a former UAP task force slash OSAP creator who has come out with a book on UFOs through a major publisher. Like, my books were published through, a very small press and I'm like I'm just not at that level like I'm not a whistleblower or anything like that I'm just a podcaster and researcher um so like clearly there's a difference between what I would make as an author and what Jay Stratton would make with his books but I'm going to be honest probably not that much there is no money in in authoring books anymore

Kind of like theater is dead in many ways. The real money, I'll tell you this, is an IP. And that is something that we should keep in mind moving forward. Jay Stratton is working with Dan Farah on not only did he work with him on The Age of Disclosure and this book, but a upcoming television series as well. That's where the money starts coming in. So there's clearly a business strategy happening here in working with someone like Dan Farah. There's no getting around that. This is not just an altruistic getting the truth out to the public thing.

There is money that is going to be made by things like this. No doubt. But I don't think it's in the numbers people are really thinking that these people are getting like super, super rich or anything like that. So yeah, yeah. I see both sides of the argument is what I'm trying to say. But let's get to, I guess, kind of the final things here. Jay supports greater UFO disclosure while protecting legitimate national security information. That's understandable.

There are some things because of national security that apparently he's broken laws on, according to Sean Kirkpatrick, that need to stay in place and need to stay. I guess, unknown. But he does kind of argue that we at least need the public to know that there is a there there and that we are not alone. Like the actual whatever, sensor data or locations of where we've captured these things. Like maybe that does need to be classified. But again, like where is that middle ground? We need to find that middle ground, I guess.

He advocates carefully structured amnesty protections to encourage insiders to come forward. So things like the UAP whistleblower protection and things like that, the UAPDA. He seems to be an advocate for and moving that stuff forward. He argues that the reality of non-human intelligence is no longer in question, although the book leaves its origins, intentions, and activities largely unexplained, which he even states, like, yeah, we know. these things are real. I've seen them with my own eyes. I've seen the evidence, but we don't know their intentions, why they're here, what they want, and where this is all going. So a lot of

unanswered questions, I think, in the book. But maybe some new questions to be asked. And look, again, people are going to go through this book with a fine tooth comb and take whatever breadcrumbs he may have put in this and they're going to follow those things. That's how this works. That's how this works. And the UFO community is very good at doing that. So, yeah, you know, make of that what you will. Let's see. Amanda says, since Stratton went through Dobser, Kirkpatrick's accusation,

that he is releasing classified information seems false. Yeah, I agree. Pine Cedar says, part business strategy. Yes, I think so. Look, and that's another big thing that Jay, brings up. Money is a big factor in all of this. These private contractors that are in, have acquired or in possession of these possible non-human craft and reverse engineering the technology, this is for money-making purposes and allocated funds going to certain black budget

projects with absolutely no oversight. That is a big problem. And Jay brings that up in the book as well. David Grush has been talking about this for years. There are these legacy programs that have moved things around and covered things up. They are apparently doing some pretty shady stuff when it comes to unaccounted for funds and stuff and things like that. So we've got to keep that in mind too. Money is a big motivational factor in all of this too, not just understanding. this technology scientifically. It's to implement it into our next generation of aircraft or weapons,

or it's to put out there in other ways for technological purposes to make it to money. So, yeah. Ah, let's see. Money makes the world go round, Zeper says. What else say here? Okay. I'm putting these questions out there of what I think we need moving forward when it comes to what Jay Stratton has said in this book. The biggest one being, where is the evidence?

What did Stratton actually see? How much of his certainty comes from firsthand experiences versus information supplied by colleagues and contractors. Is this independent corroboration? are Stratton, Grush, Alizando put off and others independently confirming the same information or are they repeating claims from overlapping

sources? This is the biggest issue, I think, with a book like Alizondos the claims by Grush, this book by J. Straton. We are hearing from all the same people who say they have

corroborated this. They have run this by their sources. But it seems to me like a lot of these sources and individuals are the same circle of people. It's like a, you know, the cat dog chasing its tail sort of thing. Or cat, or panther, or kangaroo. I don't know, the kangaroos?

Yeah, they have big tails. Yeah. So, like, that big question is, is a lot of this stuff that Jay Stratton has brought forward in the book being told to him by other people who have been saying these things and they're kind of just like stacking it on one one another and playing this weird UFO game of like telephone. I don't know. I don't know. But we need more names put out there of these sources like writer being the big one in influence in this book. that's interesting

but yeah yeah so I think that's a big question is how much of this stuff in the book has come from other people we've already heard from in the UFO sphere as it were why is disclosure still being obstructed

if the alleged program exists who possesses the ultimate authority to reveal them so again if people like Grush or J. Stratton and Jay reached like super high levels guys

I mean we're talking like the highest he was like an ad what would be considered like an admiral you know so crazy that he was not able to breach the quote unquote hidden hand legacy program or get the information he needed

when it came to a lot of this stuff who does hold the keys to all that is it the CIA is it the Department of Energy? Is it the Department of Energy? We don't know. We don't know, but questions that still need to be answered. So kind of the final takeaway I'm going to take from this book.

Stratton's seniority and direct involvement in government UAP investigations, it makes his account significant. I'm not going to deny that in any way, shape, or form. But the book's greatest weakness remains the gap between extraordinary testimony and independently verifiable evidence. Passing the Pentagon's pre-publication security review does not constitute government confirmation to his claims. The dopser does not confirm anything he said in the book.

It merely shows that nothing he said in the book is classified. So it's not proof of anything. They're not endorsing what he's saying in the book. The dopser process is merely saying that nothing he said is classified. So I think the big thing that people are struggling with is Jay Stratton's personal subjective experiences and as an individual. And what his knowledge and I guess verifiable evidences in an official capacity with working in the UAB Task Force and OSAP and the government and military. there's this weird kind of limbo we're left with in terms of his personal experiences versus officialdom. And we're kind of left with more questions than answers, as we always are.

He doesn't pretend to have answers to the UFO phenomenon or the intent, as he said many times, of these UFOs. he doesn't pretend to have those answers and he doesn't leave us with any groundbreaking revelations that are going to solve uphology that are going to be capital D disclosure but it's another person coming forward in a high capacity of UFO investigation for the United States government

speaking his truth so it's up to you the reader the listener to take what you want from it and to infuse that into your own thoughts, theories, and beliefs when it comes to UFO disclosure. So yeah, that's kind of it when it comes to that.

I'll kind of end saying this. Read the book. Take of it, take from it, what you will. But just to remember that we don't need people within government we don't need people within the military to bolster the credibility of a topic that has been around centuries

and has been witnessed by hundreds of thousands of people all around the world who are governed by other bodies who believe in different things, who come from different cultural backgrounds, and who infuse the UFO phenomenon into their lives and integrate it in many different ways. So do not take just Jay Stratton's word for it, Lou Elizando's word, David Grush's word. They would be the first to tell you that, too. In fact, most of them have said that in public, too. Like, they are not the be all and all of any of this.

They are a very small, small part of it. The disclosure comes when you go outside and look up into the sky. Maybe you see a UFO. Maybe you don't. But I personally believe that disclosure happens person by person. And Jay was right. You know, with every military person who comes forward, another one will too. It'll empower more people to do that.

In fact, he was part of getting these people to have to legally report UFOs when they see them within the Navy, too. So, I mean, there's that. But, yeah, I'm talking civilians. I'm talking you. me, your barista at the coffee shop, you know, that guy down the street who you talk sports with, that girl down the street that you talk sports with, I don't know, that's the disclosure. So yeah, keep going outside, looking up in the sky, record something, if you see something, and share it with somebody.

And that can be a form of disclosure. So, yeah, yeah, make of that what you will. make of tonight what you will some crazy stories that we covered that's for sure and um i think we've really just heard um bits of this book there will be more to come out as the weeks go on as more people read the book and whatnot so i'm looking forward to that as well but i want to tell you guys what you can look forward to you on somewhere in the skies premiering in just a couple hours we have the one, the only Jacques Valet

back on the show to talk about the final report. Now, this is the final volume of his Forbidden Science Journal series, and he has a lot to say.

Over decades of looking into the UFO topic and working with a lot of insiders and stuff like that, a lot of adventures and journeys, and we tackle all. of it in this interview. It went in directions I was not expecting and it was very rewarding.

I'm so happy that we were able to get him back on the show to talk all about it. He hasn't done a ton of interviews. So again, I was really touched that he took the time to talk to us for almost two hours actually, which was really, really cool. I was also honored to be briefly mentioned in volume 7 of the Forbidden Science Journal, where he said that he had just finished a interview with somewhere in the skies, and he had a really good time with that. So that was super cool, really nice of it to even, like, think to put that in there, bothered doing that. So that was pretty cool. But yeah, we covered a lot in this interview. You can listen to it now, if you want. It's on Patreon, Apple Premium, YouTube channel

membership. It is available early. So if you wanted a few hours early, listen to it right now, you can join those and listen to early access. Or it'll be available Monday for most of you, which is tomorrow, as we're recording this, October 18. So yeah, be on the lookout for our Jacques

Valet interview very, very soon. And then the following week, we are getting spooky, guys. We have a very special Halloween episode of Summer in the Skies for you guys with author J. W. Acker who wrote an incredible book

called Chasing the Headless Horseman. It was so fun to talk to him. It's all about the legend of Sleepy Hollow, the true story behind the legend. It's foothold on the town of Sleepy Hollow and the movies and TV shows that were inspired by it. So I really think you're going to enjoy. I've always had a special place in my heart for the Headless Horseman and Sleepy Hollow because I grew up not too far from there in New York.

So I have a sense of pride when it comes to this iconic story. One of the only original kind of Halloween themed legends to come out of America, to be completely honest. You know, you got the Salem witch thing. There's others, obviously. but Sleepy Hollow is probably one of the most iconic in the world. I mean, there are places all over the world that celebrate Sleepy Hollow, have their own little towns that they do Sleepy Hollow-esque sort of things. But yeah, I'm so proud that New York was the place where this all took place.

And we learn some really interesting things about Sleepy Hollow. But not only that, we learn the actual story behind the legend. and there is an actual person and a name for the headless horseman, and we reveal it in this interview. So be on the lookout for that. I cannot wait. I can't think of a better way to celebrate Halloween and spooky season than with this episode. So be sure to check that out.

And last but not least, because it's Halloween season, I want you guys to go check out this awesome short horror film that are very good, friend and colleague Nicholas Westmeyer stars in with his family. And it was directed by past guest and colleague of mine Dennis Callow, filmmaker Dennis Callow. The film is called A Special Day. And it's available right here on YouTube. If you're watching this on YouTube, it's free. You can go to the link in our show notes or video description to watch that right now. Or just go on YouTube. Search a special day by Dennis. Calo. It is getting a lot of attention in the horror community. It's kind of gone viral.

And I'm so so excited for this to happen to not only Dennis, the director, but my very good friend, Nicholas Westermeyer. So yeah, be sure to check that out. Lastly, but not least, if you like movies, check out somewhere on the screen. Our movie review analysis and discussion podcast hosted by me. Ryan Sprague. I guys, I love movies. I'm a playwright screenwriter, and I have taken over the somewhere on the screen podcast. You can subscribe right here on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. I've been doing a ton of movie reviews as of late of movies that I have seen in the theaters. I'm going to be doing some analysis of past movies. And then Nicholas Westemeyer, who stars in this movie, a special day, he'll be.

joining me to break down the brand new Crystal Lake television series, the prologue, or prelude to the Friday the 13th movies with Jason Borges and all of that. So be sure to stay tuned for that in the very near future as well. So a lot to look forward to this spooky season. That being said, I don't think we will have a live stream next week because I am going to be leaving for the states on Tuesday where I'm going to be speaking at my former college. And then the next day, I'm literally flying to Nova Scotia to continue filming season three of my ghost hunting television show, haunted heart and soul. So I will be in Canada all of November into December and leading into the holidays,

which I'll be spending in the United States as well. So I will do live streams while I'm filming as much as I can. Suzanne and I have cooked up some ideas of other things we can do while I'm out there filming. But it's hard. It's hard to find the time. Filming, you know, we sometimes go 12, 15 hours a day. So it's hard to find the time to do this sort of stuff. But I promise you guys, if I do have free time, it'll be either sleeping or streaming.

So I'm going to try for you. because things are always happening in the UFO world, but we will have all brand new episodes of the podcast continuing as well. Do not worry about that. But I'll keep you posting on social media if we will be doing anything next week. But thank you. Thank you to those wishing me safe travels. I truly do appreciate that.

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to Suzanne, I hope she gets her power back soon, but she made it back into moderating the chat, so I truly appreciate her doing that. Good luck to her. I hope they get their power back soon. And I know she feels bad

that she couldn't contribute. But yeah, I can't thank her enough for always helping me get these things going and for compiling all of our stories and notes as well. So that's going to do it for tonight. Thank you so much. I know we covered a lot. But I got to get out of here and start packing. So I will hopefully see you guys very soon.

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