Somewhere in the Skies - LIVE from the Shag Harbour UFO Expo! (w/ Martin Willis)

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

Ryan is LIVE from the Shag Harbour UFO Expo that took place in Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, this past weekend. He is joined by Martin Willis, host of Podcast UFO. They discuss the entire event and then dive deep (no pun intended) into the Shag Harbour UFO incident, UFO crashes throughout history, and they take your listener questions as well. Subscribe to Podcast UFO at: https://youtube.com/@podcastufo?si=JD6oHFM_vTsKg2FJ Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com Store: http://tee.pub/lic/ULZAy7IY12U YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/somewhereskies/videos Order Ryan’s new book: https://a.co/d/4KNQnM4 Order Ryan’s older book: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Read Ryan’s Articles by CLICKING HERE Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte Produced by LIONSGATE Copyright © 2024. Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

this subject we can choose to let our minds explore other possibilities to use our imaginations for if we consider the pastro scientists agree on one point that the possibility of life elsewhere is not only quite probable some fields is there without a doubt let us suppose then that these objects are real space vehicles extraterrestrial origin and not an illusion of the mind there's nothing to hide at all Welcome, guys, to a very impromptu live stream. This will also be a podcast episode of Summer in the Skies. And I am coming to you live from Yarmouth, Nova Scotia.

For many of you out there who may know or may not know, I had the amazing opportunity to attend the Shag Harbor UFO Expo here in Nova Scotia. And it was very, I will tell our guest about how that all. came to be because it was a very interesting string of events. But before I do that, I want to say hello to all of you in the chat. We'll be checking that out throughout the show, taking your questions, comments with our special guest as well. Thank you to our regulars joining us as well. Hello to Deborah. Susanna. Our wonderful moderator is here as well. But yeah, tonight is going to be, I should say, this morning is going to be very fun. We're just going to talk all things. Shack Harbor,

UFOs, what would you rather do on your morning and with your coffee? So without further ado, I'm going to bring in our very special guest this morning. Here he is. I'm the cameraman, too. He's our cameraman. Guys, Martin Willis, a podcast UFO, is joining us this morning. He was the MC, the host of the Shack Harbor UFO Expo. So I thought it'd be really cool, man.

Just to, like, talk about our experiences. our different perspectives on how the weekend went, why we're here. What do we make of the Shag Harbor event itself? And yeah, just see where the conversation goes. I love doing these sorts of things. Thank you for joining us. You're very welcome. I have to say something.

I was also a speaker here. I was slated two years ago. And the exact time that I was supposed to be speaking, I was on the operating table having heart surgery. Really? Yeah, I had to have a bypass. And so I was scheduled to speak. So it was delayed a whole year.

So but I came out and I spoke the following year last year. And then was very happy that they invited me back again because I love it here. It's so beautiful. We're in a place. Yeah, we were talking off there. We're literally like looking out right now at a harbor, which is so, so cool. This is the Yarmouth Harbor. Some say the Yarmouth Hab idea.

I'm terrible in accents. I'm not even going to try. Open heart surgery. Yeah. Wow. So anyway, it was, yeah, I mean, I found out just a couple days before I was supposed to get on the ferry and come up here. Okay. And yeah, it was kind of a shock, but I'm doing great now.

And so it was October 1st, was that year. And next year, this event is going to be on the actual holiday anniversary, I mean, of Shag Harbor. It's going to be on the fourth and fifth next year. And that's when it happened. And it was a Wednesday, October 4th, 1967 when Shaggarber, the event happened. Right, right. Yeah. So, I mean, I guess that's a good place to start.

We both have UFO podcasts. So we clearly try to keep up with the case histories throughout the years. I don't know about you. I have so much trouble keeping names, dates, times of all these events in my head. I'm lucky if I get within like five years of an event. been happening. I mean, Roswell, yes. Yeah. Rendell Shum, yes. But I always mix up Shag Harbor and the Tehran UFO incident because one is 67 and one was 76, I believe.

Oh, yeah. Well, it's an easy mix up. Yeah. I believe you're right. It was, I believe that one was 76, Tyrone. But yeah, I can understand that. Yeah. I don't know why that happens. Well, the biggest part of here is I was all along since I started looking into this. incident and many, many other people, most people, I would say, were also is the Shelburne UFO incident, which actually happened in 1960. And then the Shag Harbor incident, and that the Shelburne was, you know, in this area in 1960. And to me, it seems like more of a fantastic case than the Shag Harbor.

But they were joined together all for, you know, as a story went for many, many years. that people thought they were the same event. Right. And that is, that's a great jumping off point. So we're obviously here to sort of celebrate the 67 UFO crash in Shag Harbor, which I should mention, I know you were busy, but we, every year they give you the opportunity to go to the harbor and see exactly where. Yeah, I did last year.

Yeah. So I did this year. And it was amazing. And what I did. didn't realize, and we'll circle back to the Shelburne thing because I find that fascinating. What I didn't realize is we were there with Lori, one of the crime witnesses. So he sort of walks you, I keep looking at this camera, he sort of walks you through the event as he witnessed it. And it's so cool to get to, first of all, have a first-hand witness still alive.

Sure. Tell her story. but they also had like a Coast Guard boat. Isn't a great? They did that last year. Going around in circles. Yeah. And kind of almost recreating, um, the initial efforts to retrieve whatever crashed into the harbor.

And what I didn't realize, Martin, is how close the object actually crashed. Yeah. I always envisioned it way out in the water. Right. I mean, some of the, uh, documentaries you watch on it kind of show away. out into the water. But yeah, it was, it was fairly, fairly close. I want to say, I mean, I'm obviously just in an approximate three, four, maybe five, six hundred feet from the land. Yeah. From the shore. And I'm looking out there and I'm like, could you imagine what would

have happened if that object had crashed just, let's say, maybe 600 to 1,000 feet on the land? Right. Where would it be? Or did it purposely go into the water? That's the, that's been the question. And I think what's really intriguing about that whole case, if you talk to Laurie Wickens, the first-hand witness, he will say that the word UFO never came into play for a long time with him, especially. But there was that government document that did say UFO. So, yeah. The first, I believe, official Canadian document or retrieval. Any military document that said UFO, I believe, right? I believe that's what the story is, but I may have that wrong.

That's interesting. So, yeah, I guess we'll rewind a little bit to the Expo itself. Yeah. Before we dig into Shelburne. Sure. Because, again, that blew my mind, too, with Chris Stiles, the preeminent UFO researcher on Shack Harbor. But how did the opportunity come about for you personally to be the host of this event? Oh, well, it was because I spoke last, the year prior.

Okay. You know, last year. And they just, I just had a conversation with them. And I said, well, you know, I really would like to come up there again. And they said, whoa, do you want to emce? It said, hey, why not? I love to. So, yeah.

And I also did the Mufon one in Texas, too. That was a lot of fun. Oh, cool. That was, when was that? That was in July 12th, I believe it was. Right. Yeah. And very hot, hot Texas.

Yeah. Very hot at the time. Yeah. Was that the symposium where they, like, revealed the, those pieces? Yes. Was it? Yes.

What did you make of that? Yes. Okay. Okay. I really don't know what to think about those, you know, type of things. And until, you know, there's something really, really unusual and it's documented and we have the data, you know, it's, it's, it's, I'd feel more comfortable with that, you know. And so I don't really know what to think about those type of things. Yeah.

It's tough. I want to see the whole craft. Exactly. I'm sick of seeing these little, tiny pieces, which I've dealt with that. I was out at the Roswell crash site with Frank Kimbler, who has dug up all these little pieces from what he believes were from the Roswell crash. We had them tested. I didn't personally come back with any anomalous results online, but I know others who have had those pieces tested have. but I'm with you.

I agree. Like I'm so, I don't want to say sick of it. Like, we'll take what we can get. Yeah. When it comes to anything out there. More nuts and bolts. Yeah. But it's funny that I met a listener of the show here at In Shag Harvey.

He flew up from West Virginia. And he's a metal engineer. He's a scientist, a metallurgist. And he said that he, you know, when he goes to retire, but right now he has access to these great labs. And he said, you know, maybe he can. actually do some work, which would be great. Wow.

Yeah, because there are pieces. There's the Julie Olson, somewhere in the Midwest, I want to say, maybe Ohio or Michigan, who had in 1985 had this UFO come down. They all, a bunch of people saw it. And then it sort of like sparked when it went up. And then there's holes in the ground. They found pieces of metal. So she still has those.

And she tried to ship them off to, Sweden, to Klaus Fond, the researcher of Sweden. I'm sure you know Klaus. He's a great guy. So they went there in FedEx. He wasn't home when FedEx came there and they returned it all the way to the states because he had someone all lined up to work on those. I want your thoughts on this. And this happened with the pieces at the Texas Symposium as well

from what the speaker, the Mufon investigator said, why are people mailing UFO parts through FedEx. There has to be a better way. A courier. You know, it's something that will carry it. Right. You know, it's expensive. But I mean, when you have something, you hear of these stories, you know, over and over again. For instance, the Socoral case with Ray Stanford sparting the rock with metal on it, brings it to NASA. Someone he knows whatever. Oops. The metal is gone. It disappears. You know, and here's your rock back without the metal. You know.

Happened with Frank Kimbler. Some of his pieces went. missing. I know the ones that at the Texas Symposium apparently went missing at one point. So I know. Stop. Guys, here's our disclaimer from podcast UFO and someone this guys. Stop mailing UFO debris through the mail. And if you're going to at least use like what priority mail, I guess. I don't know.

I don't know. The answer is to that. So I'll share with you guys my interesting story of why I'm here. Many of you know I'm doing a ghost hunting show here in Nova Scotia. I've been doing it for about two and a half years now. It's been a blast. It's a world I never saw myself in. But when I saw that the Shag Harbor UFO Expo was happening,

I looked at my filming schedule and I'm like, wow, it's only like a week apart. So Paul Kimball, the head of our ghost hunting show, you guys know him also as a UFO researcher. he was so gracious and said, look, Ryan, I think it's really awesome that Shag Harbor is happening very close. Let's bump everything up a week. And that's ultimately when I decided to work on a new top secret project that I'll be sharing with you guys soon. And I just wanted to come to the event as an attendee and film stuff and interview people like Martin and Chris Stiles. And I think it was about a week before the event.

I got an email from Chris Stiles saying, we had a speaker, unfortunately, have to drop out. Preston Dennett, you guys know him very well on this show, and could you come speak? So I was like, not only was I given full access to coming here and filming you guys and being a part of this as an attendee,

but now I had become a speaker, which was just so cool. The weekend was amazing. We saw so many awesome. speakers. So I'd like to say something about your presentation, a couple of different things. And it's almost like we copied each other in a way. My presentation is very similar to yours. But I have to tell you, yours is better. Oh, gosh. You did such a, I mean, the people you have on there. What I do in my presentation, basically, is I call it something like spectacular,

unknown UFO encounters. And I have little video clips, very similar to yours. Okay. And some really great ones. And I thought, wow, you know, we both had kind of the same idea and how we presented. But that was a great, I have to say, I was super impressed. It was really, really well done. I appreciate that.

And I love hearing those type of stories that you just don't hear every day. Right. And the people, the first-hand, you know, witnesses that had these, encounters and how could anyone, you know, look at that type of thing. I mean, I also do this thing, UFOs 101. Yeah. People are new to it. And I basically have clips as well. A couple of really convincing clips. And I say convincing because how could you not be convinced after you hear some of those testimonies? That's what it really comes down to. I know you're the same. Preston Dennett is the same. I think that's, I feel like this all happened for a reason. Like I know it's unfortunate. Preston

couldn't make it, but I did speak to him after they asked me to come, and he gave me his blessing. He said hello to everyone at the Shag Harbor event and beyond. But you're right. The people behind these things, the observers, the witnesses, that's always sort of been my euphology, as I tell people, not how big was the craft, you know, when the time to date, all that stuff. Like, I will leave that to active Mufon field investigators. And those like nuts and bolts researchers. For me, I come from a theater background. I know you come from an art, an antique background as well.

And an auctioneer. Let's not forget that. I'm not going to auctioneer. Okay, I was just going to say, I want to hear your auctioneer voice. So I think a lot of the times, let's just say more of the artistic types maybe or creative types, tend to veer more towards the witnesses where maybe you have more analytical. or mathematical even people going towards the statistics. And we need everyone.

Exactly. You know. And yeah, I love hearing stories. I don't know about you, but you get in a conversation with people out there, you know, the general public.

And eventually if you feel comfortable, I have to have this certain type of feeling before I'll actually bring the topic up. Yeah. And say, oh, by the way, I do something a little esoteric possibly to your thinking. And that's, I do a podcast on UFOs. And I got to say at least 50% of the time. Now, my cousin did the eye roll.

But her husband said, oh, my God, that's great. Barney Hill was my mailman in Courtsmouth, New Hampshire. And he talked about this. But the funny thing is that about 50% of those people say, oh, oh, yeah, I had a sighting. And then they'll tell you this really fantastic sighting. Like, wow. Sometimes I love the ones that don't make any sense. Yeah.

Those are just fascinating. Well, okay, I want your thoughts on this. And I do want to run through some of the other speakers as well. Sure, yeah, yeah. But off track alone, yeah. No, not at all. There's no going off track in euphology, trust me. Yeah.

The story, I, so my presentation, I kind of, I always update it with new witnesses. Yeah. It's kind of the same skeleton where it's maybe five or six stories from my books and all that. But I completely overhauled it this time to come to show. And I think almost every person you saw, minus two of them, have not been in my presentation before. And one of my new ones was a guy named Tommy Smith from Fife, Scotland. And did, yes, yes. Did you see that part?

So you guys might know from my book, if you don't, this was a case where a guy in Scotland, boy, I should say, he was a young man at the time. Him and his friend were riding their bikes home. they saw this oil slick in the middle of a road that started expanding, like just getting bigger. It started bubbling, like as if it were like a soup coming from the primordial earth or something. I don't know. And all of a sudden, this big bubbling, like oil slick started to elevate and ascend into the sky. And it just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

And I remember when I, you know, I'll try to be all dramatically. and this is what Tommy saw. Next slide. And then I showed the image. And it's just this huge black blob flying in the middle of the sky. I loved it. And, you know, I mean, I had a caller last night on my show. I did a show last night.

And a caller was talking about these. It looked like dolphins, you know, going, you know, like swimming. He said about eight to ten of them, almost like biological UFOs. Yeah. I mean, and that's kind of, you know, know, that's sort of reminding me of that story. You know, I mean, it's almost like a biological, this oil slick looking thing. Yeah, that's how he described it, organic or like a life.

Yeah. Which is so interesting. Morphic. Yeah. So I agree with you. The more, I think we both mentioned this at some point, the more unique and weird a case is, the more I tend to believe it. Yeah.

You know, it's not your typical, like, disc, like I saw. Yeah. Yeah. Just. Which is not to take away from any. who seen those things. We both seen weird stuff. Yeah, but when you talk to someone that's, you know, they're just an average show out there.

Yeah. And then bring up this extraordinary story like that would be unbelievable for it. But they feel comfortable enough to share it with you because you're telling them, I do a show in UFOs. Well, I saw something really weird. Yeah. You know, and then, you know, this one guy, he bought my washer machine out of storage. And he saw my hat.

I had a UFO on my hat. He said, oh, I saw a UFO. I love when they just say it casually like, oh, I saw a UFO. He was a really nice young guy, probably early 30s. And he goes, oh, yeah, I was in Maine. I was in Maine at the time, but he was at the university. And he said, and all of a sudden, he said, out of nowhere, I was walking with my girlfriend. And this huge triangle covering the whole stream, the whole river.

He said it had to be 200 feet wide, just glided right in front of us. And we saw lights on it. And it was, you know, dusk. Yeah. And no sound at all, you know. As a matter of fact, it seemed like it took the sound out of everything. You'd hear those stories a lot. The Oz factor, I think people have called it.

Like, all your senses kind of either deplete and go away or they get expanded sometimes. Yeah. Like either hearing gets, it's like daredevil. He's blind, but right? Yeah, he's blind, but he can hear incredibly. Yeah. If that's a gift that these UFOs are going to give us, I'll take it. I can't hear anything anymore.

What crazy. Yeah, what? What would you say? But I mean, I love you. I mean, just those stories to me, and, you know, I think if anyone listening to the show when decided to go out to the public and say, hey, what do you think of UFOs? You'd probably get about 50% of the people out there either had an experience or know someone who did.

Yeah. Well, I love what you did. it was either after one of the talks or at the very beginning where you said, how many people here have seen a UFO? Yeah. And what? I'd say up to 90% of the people raised their hands. Yeah.

Which was so cool. And then the next question is how many people reported it? Yeah. Maybe two people. Well, there were five. Okay. Yeah, that's fair. Let's get a harbors of credit.

Yeah, yeah. But I have to say. you know, I didn't report my UFO. I never, you know, it's like, you know, so I understand, I understand the reluctancy of that. But I also, in my time in 2007, I thought, oh, I got to call someone. I didn't even realize that there was Mufon. I didn't realize there were places where you could actually, you know, report something. Yeah.

Well, and like I told you in the audience, like, I didn't know either how to or where to report things. So I gave it to my English teacher in a school report. So I mean, I guess that's something. Yeah, yeah. Let's go through the speakers. Sure. We had, I believe first it was Chris Rikovsky, Canadian UFO researcher. Great guy, yes.

Yeah. I've always loved his work. He's been had it for such a long time. Yeah. And, you know, he's an astronomer. And he fell into this by accident, like I think a lot of people do, you know, and just started taking seriously. he has a great survey, a yearly survey that he does.

And I believe, did he say something like a thousand sightings in Canada last year? Yeah, that number really astounded me. Yeah. And I just found, I always thought Canada was the third largest landmass, but it's the second. Yeah. Second largest landmass. But their population, New York is more of a population than Canada. The whole, I know, isn't that crazy?

Yeah. It makes sense now, having lived in New York for 13 years or something, and being shoulder to shoulder, you just have no privacy whatsoever. But it does afford your UFO setting numbers to go up because I think population density has a lot to do with it as well. You hear about all these UFOs happening out in like, whatever, Arizona. California. California. But there's high population California that kind of makes up for a lot of things. Yeah.

But nicer weather. Here, you don't have the blue skies every day like California. No, you do not. Yeah, we've been blessed, I think, this past year. Oh, my goodness, it's been amazing. Yeah, I've short t-shirt and short weather here in October. October and Czech Harbor. I know, I know.

I brought all my winter clothes with me. Yeah, just like sweating everywhere we're going. Yeah, it's amazing. Okay, so Chris, amazing guy, clearly you need the preeminent Canadian UFO researcher. He takes it very serious. Yeah, he did a fantastic job. Next, I believe, was me. So we could skip that.

It went great. I had a great time. I talked about that. No, it was fantastic. Yes. I really appreciate that. Was it Jennifer Stein? Do you in trying to remember?

Yes, it was. Yeah, Jennifer Stein. And she did a different type of talk. She did on, you know, ancient, about 12,000-year-old rock sculptures. Right. That were really very interesting. And it's always fascinating. You know, that's how it didn't have anything to do with UFOs.

But still, it really makes you. And I told her this, you know, right before she went up. Like we always, we don't give people enough credit in ancient times about their intelligence and things like that. We always think we're on the pinnacle of intelligence, which I think, you know, we're going to be, people are going to be looking back saying, boy, most people are kind of dumb back then, you know. But that's kind of the trend. You know, I mean, we always think. They didn't have this intelligence and how they did these things. I mean, I, as a kid, someone had a, it's called it, I think they called it a drill,

but it's not really a drill. It's just this metal rod with like the star-shaped end. And they said, you know, try to split this rock. And, you know, we did weird things as a kid, you know. But anyway, so I had a big pulp peen hammer. And I, I bashed on that thing for hours and hours only to make the slightest little dent. And then you have these amazing pieces of. of stone they're cut perfectly square and fitted and then these sculptures with what tools do they

have 12,000 years ago? You know what I mean? It's just totally amazing. What they had was a lot of time. Good point. I was going to say it does really put things into perspective. I feel like in today's modern society, we're just like, we've got to get everything done. Get that skyscraper up.

Like, yeah, time is money, time is money. Whereas back then, they're like, generational. Yeah. Yeah. Like the sun will take over. over for the fire or whatever on one stone. I don't know. It reminds me a lot.

They just announced somewhat recently over in the UK that some of the stones from Stonehenge were actually brought over from Scotland. And they're trying to, historians and everyone are trying to figure out how they possibly have done that, like get these across, like, was it by ocean? Was it by land? Crazy. Why being another big important question? Why did you need the stones from Scotland in this whatever Stonehenge represents, which we still don't know what a treaty is?

So I think you're right. And I've done some TV stuff. I've done ancient aliens. And I get a lot of flak for it, which I completely understand. Because it's a show that will sometimes, and I have been critical about this. I don't care if I'm on the show. Like I have my own opinions on it too. And there are times where I feel that a show like that or others like that with ancient astronaut theory will strip away the ingenuity of cultures back.

Yes. Like they could do this. How we don't know yet. Yeah. But everything starts with an idea, right? Exactly. Like they have the idea and then they figure out how to do it. Yeah.

And like you said, it could have taken them 100 years to build those statues that Jennifer talked about. Who knows? Gobeckley-Tepe, I believe, was what she was talking about. Yes, that's right. And this wasn't just her doing some stuffy academic lecture. Like she went to Peru. She went to these places and actually documented it. Is it Robert Schock?

I think. That sounds right. Yeah, some name. I'm sorry for not remember the name perfectly. But yeah, he was there and she went and met him there and worked with him. Yeah. Talk about like boots on. Yeah.

Yeah. I really appreciate. Oh, yeah. So who do we have after Jennifer? I should know because I was introducing it. Oh, it was Bryce. Man, that's right. Uh-oh.

Yeah, don't forget Bryce. Yeah, do not forget Bryce. He will let you know. Bryce Zabel gave a wonderful talk that kind of, you know, it's a Shag Harbor Expo, but really it's about euphology in general. Well, I think this is really great what Bryce did. So Bryce watched what, as when I did the opening, talk or whatever was very kind of brief because I thought we were running we were back behind on time.

But I asked for a show of hands who was there at their very first conference and a ton of people put up their hands. Yeah, that was so cool. So he went upstairs and he redid his whole speak to, you know, kind of work with those people and say, hey, I'm going to go through a brief history of UFO. This is your first conference. So yeah, I thought you did a, I thought that was really smart. That's this sort of person who you can tell has been in these writers' rooms in Los Angeles in Hollywood and had to think on the fly how to adapt a script according to notes he was given by these execs in their seats and all that stuff. You can tell he's used to thinking on his feet.

And you're so right. I respected that. He's like, you know what? Not everyone knows who Jay Allen Heineck is or. what the Rendlesham Forest incident is. We kind of take it for granted in this field of like everyone, you know, it's a big community, but it's small too in the grand scheme of things. So a lot of these people around Yarmouth or on Shag Harbor,

they aren't UFO people. Right. They just see that there's a UFO incident. And that's it. And so I have to say something. This is, I think this is really interesting. And I hope it's okay that I say this. Right.

I was in the hallway speaking with Bryce and my girlfriend Donna and Jackie was able, his wife. And so it kind of came up that, you know, Jackie's a skeptic. I said, that's good. You know, it's good to have a skeptic, especially in the relationship. And she said, well, Bryce is the smartest person I've ever known. And he believes something's going on. So she said, so I got to believe part of it. That's, you know.

I love that. I love it. I love the fact that if anyone can have a supportive, significant other in the UFO field, you're doing pretty good because it's not easy. It's not, I will put it this way. Maybe now it's a little better, but back in my bachelor gaze, I'd go on first dates and when they'd ask what I do, I'd say, I'm a euphologist. And there was never a second date after that. But things have changed. You know, I know for many people out there,

uphology has changed for those who have been in it for a really long time. Yeah, definitely. I mean, we all saw December 2017, the New York Times article. Now, we watched before that, prior to that in October, when the Tom DeLong and everyone did their talk, their live stream, we were saying, oh, my God, this should move the needle. Nothing happened. But then the New York Times came up with that article,

and everything changed. Right. You know, I mean, it's like I'm still like antique and fine art appraiser, and I go on calls now, and I'm not so worried about bringing up the subject. As a matter of fact, a woman said, and she was a mathematician, her and her husband, and she was a professor of mathematician. She worked for the government, really very, very bright woman. She had glass sculptures that were really unique. And she said to me, it's almost like aliens made these, and that was my opening. So I said, oh, do you, what do you think about all that? And she goes, we were watching the D.C. hearing the other day. And I said, guess what? I was in the audience. I remember that. Yeah.

Wow. So anyway, so it's made that whole movement. That whole sea change has made me as a professional out there doing other things, not so worried about it, talking about it. I tend to agree. And I think that's where we're at now in the world. Like there's been so many different polls done by whatever sociologists, news reporters, that like more than 50% of like the greater world's population believes in aliens,

in alien life, stuff like that, which I'm sure 30, 40, 50 years ago, it wasn't the same. Right. I think it's the more we find out, you know, about, you know, Earth-like planets. And it just seems like there's just, I know there's some false information out there recently that James Webb was able to see, you know, techno signatures. And that's all false that's out there if you see anything about that. But eventually, I think that will happen. You know, in that, you know, one of the questions I always ask people like astronomers or astrophysicists is if we are being visited, this is just something. I know we're way off topic here.

Oh, God, no. If we're being visited and life is so abundant, then why us? But they'll say, well, we're probably unique in a way. You know, we are, we're not part of a binary solar system. That is different. And always makes me wonder how different developing would be on those type of planets with different types of gravitational poles and things like that. It seems like that would always affect.

But anyway, it's fascinating for us to think, though, after all, we've learned. that we're alone, you know, it would be, it would be pretty scary if we were. That's how I feel. Yeah, I would have to agree with that. You know, what's that old saying? Arthur C. Clark, oh, Clark. Arthur C. Clark said, let's see, either we're totally alone in the universe or we're not either one is scary or something like that.

Yeah. You know, I don't know verbatim. Yeah, we get the gist of that. Yeah. It really, the ramifications either way are equally. is terrifying. Yeah, I think that's like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I love that. So yeah, Bryce, I guess, yeah, he kind of got us all up the speed. Like, where uphology kind of started, the modern UFO era, literally up to, you know, these recent

revelations of people like David Grush and the crash retrieval programs. We have a house UIP hearing happening in November, I think, was recently announced. Well, I didn't really, I could have look in. to that. Yeah, there's a guy, that one too. You should. A House UAP hearing. The Senate is going to do one as well at some point. So we'll see what happens with that. But before we move to our last speaker to, I guess, sort of bookend this with Shag Harbor. What do you make of everything going on now? You've interviewed, you know, people like Alizondo and other former intelligence people, military people, this new, I guess, grush era we're living in

of whistleblowers. Like people who have claimed to have worked on these programs of retrieving what could be in Shag Harbor and working on it. So what do you make of all this stuff? Well, I, you know, I'm trying not to be too optimistic. You know, I feel as so

and you know, I haven't looked compared to some of these researchers. I haven't looked into this topic. I only started really looking into it 2010. somewhere around there. You know, my citing was 2007. You know, but I, I feel as though, it feels like we're moving ahead, but I've had those false feelings before. So I'm trying

not to be too optimistic. I don't know. Here's my, my thought in the whole situation. In general, I think that our government knows a lot more than we do about what's going on. Maybe other governments do as well. But I don't think they know everything. And I think because they don't know everything, they're going to keep it tight. Because if they don't know everything, then they can't tell us that they can protect us totally. Yeah. So that's kind of my general feeling. So I think that, and it's just my opinion, it doesn't mean that it's factual in any type of way, but I just feel as though that it's going to be really, really tough to get the government. government in the United States to actually come clean with as much as they know.

Because they can't give the entire picture. Exactly. Maybe they have the entire picture, but I don't. I don't really know. I think I'm on the same page as you because everyone always asks, you know, people like us who have interviewed these intel people about what they know or what they are legally allowed to say to the public, that it's not even so much, I forget who told me this,

but it always stuck with me. It's not so much what the U.S. or other governments know about the UFO topic that is the cover-up. It's actually what they don't know, that is the cover-up, that they don't know. That makes total sense, yeah.

What these things are, where they come from, what they are potentially here to do. And that's almost scarier. It is, in a way. You know, it's like, the people that I have this, I don't know if this must happen to you as well. So you really believe in UFOs? And this is, no. Wait a minute. Let's back that up. UFOs are here. There's so many witnesses. What I don't know is what they are or where they're from or what they want. You know, those are the

three questions. But there's no question, there's nothing to believe in. It's like factual that people are seeing things in so many ways. But what they are is the question those people should be asking. But that's just someone like on the outside when they first hear that you're, you know, into the topic. And, you know, I understand the question, but, but it's not about belief. It's, the belief is, you know, it's evident that we are being visited by something. Yeah. But what that is, I'm never going to say for sure that it's, you know, extraterrestrial. I don't know, interdimensional, extracial, time travel. You keep going on and on. I think the interdimensional thing answers a lot of things, but, you know, when people say they blink in and out and, you know, all these different things,

you know, even the Ariel School when Francis Chumunga, I believe, I hope I'm not mispronouncing his last name, something like that. Sorry, Francis. When he talks about this being going toward the pool and he says it's like blinking out and blinking in ahead of itself you know so that's almost sounds interdimensional oh that that's I've never heard that before so it was almost like ahead of itself already as it says it's he's blinking out and he never sees the feet touch the ground either oh weird yeah and it's like heading toward the pool he's one of the witnesses. Okay. You know. That was the aerial school? Does he Bob Woodward? Okay. 1995. Right, right. Oh, of which you've interviewed several of the eye witnesses.

Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating. To me, that's one of the, that's the go-to case. I mean, really, it's hard to dispute that. Yeah. If, you know, John Mack going there a few weeks after and a child psychologist, Harvard trained, an Harvard professor of child psychologist, knows how to talk to children, without leading them, and just making them feel comfortable, you know, on their same level and stuff like that. And you look at those interviews and how could you dispute any of that, you know? Well, I remember back when I started giving my talk, you had given me permission to use a clip from one of your interviews with, I believe it was Selma. Selma Cidic. Yeah. And very articulate. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And the clip, and I highly suggest people go back.

and look at the podcast UFO archives for his interviews with Selma. The clip that really resonated with me, and I played it early on when I would give my talks, is she's talking about where her life went after this event and how she integrated the experience into her life in a positive way, which many, even some of the Zimbabwe kids did not. I know. So that's interesting.

And it's, you know, torturous to a few of them. Yeah. And I understand, you know, I mean, a lot of them were, told, you know, this is a demonic thing, you know, that type of thing. And they're, you know, they just didn't know where to put it in their life. But so I know we went way off the topic. The Shag Harbor incident. Yeah, we're talking about that. Yeah, right here. But I don't know if you want to get back into that. But Chris Stiles was the next speaker. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. Let's move. You were talking earlier. You said, you know, he's like the go-to, you know, who I'm trying to remember the

older gentleman that's kind of retired from doing it. Don Ledge. That's a Don Ledger. He's a great guy. Yes. Yeah, great guy. Never interviewed him, but yeah, love his one. Yeah, I did early on.

But he is, Chris Stiles, he wrote a book about, that kind of separates the shellburn incident from Shat and. Which, okay, I'm sorry to interrupt. Yeah, yeah. I know the, the incidents supposedly were conflated where. something happened in Shag Harbor and then the same night, if not the next morning. The object or whatever it was, the crash moved to Shelburne. Well, that was, that's how we always thought about it.

Right. Yes. That was kind of the town. And not only two separate events, but like you mentioned, Chris said, was it six years prior or something? Yeah, it was 1960. Wow. That was a military exercise between Canada and the U.S. and basically it was 13 ships in Shelburne Bay, and they were doing rescue exercises, and these divers went down, and now it was only in seven fathoms of water,

47 feet, which is not very deep if you're diving. Yeah. They see two disc-shaped crafts on the ground and beings working on one of them. Now, the divers were very, very reluctant. Now, he went through all of this FOIA requests and everything to get these documents, and there's something really interesting about this. I'm going to tell him just a second. But when I was hearing him talk about it, I raised my hand, and I said, what did the divers say the beings look like?

And he said, they didn't really, you know, the one he interviewed didn't really want to talk about it that much. And I said, were they wearing any breathing apparatuses? And they said, no. which is a whole other thing. And they looked similar to like grays as far as the description, but he said the diver wanted to keep moving on from that topic. He was very uncomfortable talking about it. Oh, interesting.

So Chris is doggedly going to be looking for a film because they filmed. There was a lot of filming of those creatures. And I mean, can you imagine if they could ever find something like that? Smoking gun. I mean, I want to say that. But let's be honest. Even with the clearest crystal clear video of a literal alien underwater,

somebody will come out and say fake. Well, of course they will. But I mean, really today, I mean, you'd have to see that it was on the original film and you'd have a good point. Document all that. But today, we can't believe anything. Yeah. You know what I mean?

There are people that are going to be able to tell AI generated videos and pictures. But we have to be so, I mean, you can't believe in any. You can't believe anything in the UFO world, you know, because of all the technology where it's gone, it's going to be more difficult to ever, I believe. But the most, one of the most interesting things, I think that Chris uncovered on that whole thing is that the United States went to DevCon one, which is very, very, someone's coming in getting their bicycle. We are in the boardroom, which is, anyway.

that's the only time as far as I know that we've gone to devcon one outside of a war which which is insane to think that it happened and that it could be possibly connected to one of the most famous UFO crashes right yeah yeah I love that so yeah um there was one other thing I think about shelber and I wanted to ask you about um let me see if I can remember sorry we got distracted there um let me go up in the chat quick And I want to ask you a personal question, too, before we close things out. If that's all right.

Oh, yeah. Hello to everyone in the chat. Sorry, we haven't been checking the chat so much. We were very enthralled by this conversation. Hello. Don't worry about it. No, no, not at all. You're great of protecting your data, but lots of places could still expose you to identity theft.

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Yes, Danny. Yeah. Yeah. So he had mentioned, and I didn't know this, going back to the Shack Harbor event, 67, that there were UFO sightings the night prior? Yes. Is it true? Yes.

I came here, the first time I came here was the 50th anniversary, and that was in 2017. So I was here, and they had it at the center, you know, over toward where the UFO, you know, it all happened, which was really great. there was a pilot that was speaking at that time. And I can't remember if it was the one that, the Pan Am flight or the other flight. So they saw it the night before.

They saw something the night before. Okay, okay. And they reported it and talked about it. So, and they also saw the same night. And that's, I do believe that's the pilot that was speaking at that event, but, you know, that's going back a ways. But, yeah, I mean, so things were happening before that and since, you know, there's been, there's a lot of activity here. And it makes you wonder, right?

Yeah, it's funny. You mentioned that. So last night, again, mixing these worlds together, we were investigating the Barrington wool mill, an old wool mill in Barrington. They also have a not a working lighthouse, but it kind of, it's a lighthouse that's been converted into a lighthouse museum. So it gets very meta, yeah. And they have a war museum over there. It's a really cool little complex. Oh, if you ever get out.

Everything you can think of, old, like military memorabilia. And so cool, so cool. All this being said, I was talking to the archivist there and just happened to tell her, you know, yeah, I'm doing ghost hunting. But I also, I'm more well known as a UFO researcher. And she's like, oh, I could just like everyone. I've got a story to tell you. And she went on to tell me that there was a incident in the 1840s of the same exact light phenomena in Bering.

It was in Barrington and moved to, I think it was Cape Sable Island, where something these yellow lights, as Lori saw during Shack Harbor, Back in 1840, we're like over the water. Amazing. And I was stunned. I'm like, no, I don't think anyone's ever heard of this. And it's because it's not on the internet. It's in a book of a local, you know, historian in Barrington.

Wow. I'd love to see that. I took some pictures. Oh, you did see that. Of the pages of the book. It's one of those old, you love it. Old books that has that smell. Oh, yeah.

I love it. But again, that's amazing. And then she also told me, oh, yeah, my father-in-law was one of the guys that was sent out on the boat to try to retrieve the Shack Harbor. Wow. Yeah. So everyone here. I love being in a place that's connected like that. They all have connections somehow.

And a lot of people, like we were talking about earlier, a lot of people, this is all they know, this is all they really care about. And they're not really looking any deeper. And I get that. You know, it's like a local legend or whatever. And I think that was really great that Bryce did what he did to, you know, tell, and show everybody that was here for the first time that probably had that way of thinking. I'm only here because I heard of, you know, the Shag Harbor wanted to know more about it. Yeah.

You know that type of thing. And they definitely got it with this one. We really ran the gamut, I think, with all the different topics of the speakers and whatnot. We should mention, too, before I forget, there were films shown here. Oh, yeah. We had that really good. Darcy Weir was here. Darcy Weir was...

What a great guy he is. Yeah. My first time meeting him, he just came out guys with a documentary on U.S.Os. So put a... Transmedium or whatever. I think that's the name of it. Yeah. I think it kind of centers around the Aguadilla.

Yeah. Maybe, if I'm correct. Go Google. Throw Darcy Weir into your Google machine and find his films. They're wonderful. Agua Dia, I think, is his second one. Yes. Yeah.

The second one, he focuses more on that. He goes right to... Puerto Rico. Yeah. Yeah, but he's, so he has two films out there. Yep. And both of them are basically on U.S.Os along with Andy Marseille, I believe his last name is. But yeah, really great. Yeah, that was cool. I know they also did an experiencer session here. Yes. So it's 732 for a lot of people. I know. I could not talk about a UFO setting or an abduction experience, let alone. No, I'd have to be within an act of abduction from the apartment. I know. We both barely made it down here for a 10 o'clock live street.

But no, this has been amazing. But, guys, if you have any questions, throw them in the chat now. Now is your chance if you want to ask Martin anything. But in the meantime, if it's okay, Martin, to sort of close things out, you mentioned you had a UFO saying. Is that something you're willing to share? Oh, yeah, sure. But I have to say this sounds kind of funny. It was boring.

And compared to some of the people I've heard, you know, I've got to tell you in 1988 or so, and both these both happened in a hot tub. But anyway, people always say, oh, were you drinking? Well, no, I wasn't in either time that I can remember. The first one maybe, but I can't remember. 1985, I saw the most, and I've talked to Mark De Antonio and other people about this, I saw the most amazing fireball that you could ever imagine. It just came right over and I didn't hear any sound either

But when I described this was more dramatic to me than my UFO sighting This thing looked like a perfectly shaped round ball It was rotating I could see it rotating this I could see it very clearly Going over my head over the hot top heading toward I live three miles from the Atlantic Ocean at the time He was heading toward the ocean I could see it rotating I could see orange cracks and sparks flying off of it. Wow.

That was close. And so, and I saw it at enough time where I was with my wife at the time. And I said, look. And she's going, what? And I go, look. And I said, by the third time, she'd finally turn and, you know, caught it just going on the site. Now, that was really dramatic. And I talked to Jordan Bonaparte, who's up here.

And he heard me talk about this. He's up here in Nova Scotia in Halifax. And he said, he thinks his grandfax. parents saw the same thing. Really? Yeah, obviously it was around 1985. Oh my gosh. And he kind of described the same thing. Okay, my sighting, I was in Carmel Valley, California, and I did a lot of work in the appraisal field actually for, I did Merf Griffin's estate. Some people may know who he was,

talk show host from years ago, and he had a place in Carmel Valley, beautiful area. It's right near Monterey. So I was in a, I was at a ranch, and I was in, I had it at a guest house and I was using the hut tub and I never liked to use the bubbles or anything like that. I like just sitting in the hot water and relaxing and it was dusk and something caught my eye and so I'd just look up and I guess you'd say it was like the size of a quarter at arm's length or so just came over me and it had it looked it was a perfectly shaped disc and it had a blue glow around it. and it just at a real steady pace, not fast at all. And the thing that I thought was really crazy about it as I'm hearing nothing. And I didn't realize that a lot of people were going to say that until I started looking in. And I'm thinking, how could it be moving?

And then I saw it stop and it stayed steady in one spot. I didn't see it move a fracture. It's almost like it was a drawing. It just so exact. And then it went in an exact angle toward Monterey. So, and I know there was a Navy school in Monterey in that area. I jumped out of the hot tub again, as we talked about earlier. I didn't realize that there was any such thing as reporting online.

So what am I going to do? I went into the guest house. There was a landline. And I called 911 and apologized. And I said, I'm really sorry. It's not really an emergency, but I wondered if people are talking about this crap heading toward Monterey. She was crap.

She was extremely sarcastic to me. And she put me on hold and I waited on hold for, it seemed like 15 minutes. I don't really know how long. And I finally hung up. And that was it. So the next weekend I go into, I worked in an auction gallery in Oakland, California, a big auction house with a lot of people. And I had a mentor who's just recently, she's an auctioneer now.

She just sold the dinosaur in New York for $44.6 million as their auctioneer for Sotheby's. She's doing very well. So I was mentoring her and I said, and I was teaching her silver and things like that. So I said, I got to tell you what I saw this weekend. And I told the whole thing. I said, this is crazy. Please don't tell anyone. Not even 15 minutes later, people going, oh, little green men, huh?

You know, started teasing me. So I kept it to myself. And I didn't want to talk to anyone about it. And then I was doing podcasts, an antique podcast. Then I did a comedy podcast for a while. And Paul Gilmartin, that's where I remember him from California. Yep, yep. So I was on someone else's podcast.

And they said, well, what's the craziest thing that ever happened to you? And I basically told the story. And so the guy, Ed Krasnick is his name from Southern California. he did this like word the data on you know keywords and he says you know the keyword UFO is really really something it's really you know there was a lot of hits on the word you know UFO but really while I'm doing an antique podcast I'm doing a comedy podcast maybe I'll do it podcast on UFO so I started really diving deep into it this is around 2010 started diving really deep into it in November 2011, I was contacting everyone.

You can't anyone in the field. And I'd say, hey, I'm looking to do my first podcast, Stan Freeman. I never heard back from nothing against. I love Stan Freeman. But I didn't hear back from anyone. All of a sudden, it's Stephen Bassett said, okay, I'll be on. So he was my very first podcast. Ooh.

That's going out of the game with Steve Bassett. Yeah, yeah. So that's how it all started. And, you know, it's been, I love this topic. So would you say that your citing was kind of the impetus to start the UFO podcast? Or was it simply hearing like UFOs were kind of a hot topic at the time? It was both. I thought, well, this would be, you know, I still have my antique podcast.

It's called the antique auction forum. But I just thought this would be really fascinating. Yeah. And I've always thought it's been, I mean, I, I, I still feel like there's, I feel like if we knew everything, I'd probably still do the show. Yeah. Well, people always ask me, they're like, if we ever found out, you know, the truth behind all of this, no matter what that truth might be, no matter if we like that truth or not. Do you think you'd still do this?

Like, would there be a point? I'm like, well, yeah, because like you mentioned earlier. We still want more information. Yeah. For one thing. Like, we've gotten to that point now where, like, the United States government, which we hold to. such high standards throughout the world being like the one to disclose the truth about UFOs. Yeah, they basically have.

They've admitted UFOs are real. But like you mentioned earlier, a million questions come after that. And I think in a quote, unquote, post-disclosure world, you and I would be like, okay, like it's there. The base level is now, yes, UFOs exist, which it wasn't for a really long time. But where do we go from there? So I feel like your work, my work, has really just begun, even though a lot of people look at it, like, you guys are almost to the finish line?

I don't think we're anywhere near it. Right. Yeah. And I got to say that, I don't want to say to the negative side. I never say a negative side. I like to see that, you know, people are really taking this topic serious. But what has happened is there's so many people now talking about UFOs. Yeah.

You know, it's like, so, you know, where do you go? Where do you go to get your good information? And, you know, I mean, it's hard. And people ask me, hey, should I look on YouTube for, you know, UFO videos? And so, I don't know. I'm not going to name any names. But, you know, there's a lot of stuff out there. And I've had people contact me that were in the government at one time,

that we're really looking seriously into this topic. and asked me my opinion of videos and a couple of them are CGI. Yeah. You know, so it's so hard to, you know, as we move forward and the new technologies to be able to figure out what is real. So, no, I don't think YouTube is all that great of an idea to go if you're actually looking for footage. But that being said, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

There's a lot of really interesting things. that people do post on their own. Yeah. I mean, for example, you know, I was out at the harbor literally down the street. You guys can't see it, obviously. A couple nights ago, or excuse me, it was daytime. And I snapped the photo of some boats. And then in retrospect, I looked at the photo.

I'm like, what is that up in the corner? Yeah. So I zoom in. And I'm going to get some flack for this. I already am on Twitter. it looked to me almost like a bean ship like a Billy Meyer bean ship and I'm like what is this and it almost looked like the sun was glimmering off of it like it was metallic and I got so excited and I wasn't my didn't have my analytical hat on nothing I was just like I posted it on Twitter

I'm like I just saw this guys what do you think this could be I'm not pretending it's alien I'm not pretending it's a prosaic thing. I don't know. It's a good way to put it. I want to crowdsource this. And almost immediately, people are like, it's a seagull. Uh-huh. And the more I looked at it, I'm like, there's the beak.

Yep. There's the shadow under the wing. Mick West would be very happy right now. And he did retweet it. It said, sometimes, guys, it's just a seagull. So I am the butt of the joke right now. That's okay. you know what I mean you did the right thing you didn't say it was a UFO you say what do you think

this is and I got to tell you it's so funny I was driving across the United States going to Phoenix back in 2015 or something like that to go to the UFO Congress out there and Mark d'antoneo was there and I've been good friends for a long time so I was taking these pictures of the desert as of going the lawn and one of them had like this perfectly shaped disc in it and i go holy mackle and i showed it to marcus what do you think this did he goes i think you you might have something on the glass in your car i went out to the glass and there was a little tiny piece of straw on the glass and so yeah i mean i would never yeah and i i had you know it's like last this is you're going to laugh at this last I spend the winters in South Carolina and the last winter I was out there it was in the hot tub again

but again not drinking for the hot tub yes I do not drinking and I saw something and I saw something and I I filmed part of it a little bit of it tried to but it was too late but I'm really really reluctant to say I saw a UFO. But you did the right thing. And that's probably what I would do, too, is crowdsourcing and say, what do you think this is. But what I got was that the tail end wasn't enough to really look. But it was, you know, I don't even want to describe it too much, but it was, it was a light that jagged and came back. And, you know, and I got my, I had my phone with me. I was listening to something and got it just the tail end it doesn't look like anything yeah but i'm really reluctant as someone you know we have to watch our credibility and i'm really reluctant as a podcast and someone

that's you know trying to play everything straight to say that i had a ufo sighting for sure i really don't know it's difficult yeah because you do want to remain objective i mean i even had chase kletzki uh moffin investigator in my talk yeah who became a part of her own investigation That's such a great story. And saw the weird stuff. Yeah. She saw gray beans. And, you know, one thing she didn't say in your presentation, she said to me, she said the neck and the legs were so thin she couldn't understand how it could be like standing.

Right. Like how its head could be. Yeah. It's so interesting. Yeah. If you want guys, you can read about that case in my first book. But, yeah, I think let's go to the chat if you don't. Martin.

Oh, yeah. I know you've got to get going soon. No, no, I'm all set. Okay. We got some start stuff here. Question right there in the caps. I don't know. It's thrilling.

Let me put these up here. It was so thrilling to have you both at the UFO Expo. See you next year from Shelley. That's very awesome. Thank you. Terence says, love you, Martin and Ryan. So great seeing two people at the top of their game talking about this. Thank you.

Thank you. So Terrence has a question. For Martin and Ryan, what is your favorite UFOK so far? And what do you each hope for the rest of 2024? Thanks, both. Great work. Much love. Do you have a favorite case?

Well, I would have to say that, you know, I talked about it earlier. I really think the Ariel School is probably my favorite one. That's a great, great choice. I mean, it's hard to, you know, they're all our babies. You know, it's hard to pick one. Yeah. No, but still, that one to me is such an amazing. There's so many that are really amazing.

It's really a hard decision, but I'd have to say that's edging out at, you know, pretty much at the top. I'd say that's a good choice. For me, and I've talked about it on the show many times, so I won't go into the case itself, guys. But the Tehran UFO incident of 76. Again, I hope I'm getting the year right. I believe you're 100% right.

Okay. Yeah. where Iranian fighter jets actually United States fighter jets that were least to Iran at the time that actually plays into this

incident later chased the UFO tried to fire at it and all of their instruments failed there's so much documentation about it 76 thank you thank you I love that case

Parviz Jafari the general at the time was the one to go up and intercept the UFO and to his dying day, literally, he testified and would testify under oath in the United States that what he saw was not from here. And what I found fascinating was he brings up a good point that the military is so quick to shoot first, ask questions later. I know.

It's terrible. And he said, my biggest regret was that I couldn't communicate and say, what are you, who are you? Why are you here? and instead his orders were to fire on it first. That gives me chills. Yeah, I mean, you think of it we're such a warring society and tribal and all that. You know, I mean, why would they reveal themselves? You know, it seems like the sci-fi that you see, like if someone's landing,

except for the movie content, not contact, the latest one. Arrival. Yeah. Except for that, yeah. for the most part, it always shows that, you know, we're trying to blast them. Right. You know, I mean, that's kind of what we do. And so if they're paying attention, you know, maybe that's why we don't have them fully revealed.

Exactly. Yeah. Leslie Kane always says, like, the threat isn't these UFOs themselves particularly. It's our reaction or response to them. Yeah. So I always try to keep that in mind. Let's see here. Thank you, MJ, for being here. Deborah asks, question, how do you think disclosure would impact society existentially, religiously, and globally?

The old hypothetical disclosure question. Yeah. Bryce wrote a book all about that after disclosure. After disclosure, yeah. Yeah, what do you think? How would the world change? I think it's, I think, for the most part, this is, you know, just my theory on that, is that I don't think it's going to change a whole lot, like it, would have years before. I think we're kind of like getting used to it, our toes in the water,

and I feel as though that we're kind of getting used to it a little more. I don't think it's going to affect, I mean, you look at the Catholic, you know, the Pope has said that, you know, he would baptize him or something like that as if they want to be. But, you know, I think that religions aren't going to fall, although, you know, depending on what type of, you know, situation or what type of beliefs they have, how strong most beliefs are. But I think that, I think there will be an adjustment. I don't know if it will be, you know,

cataclysmic in any type of way. I don't believe it will be because, you know, people, we have to move on every day, you know, and people have to pay their mortgage and do the work and make their dinner and stuff like that. I hope what's not going to happen as if it's totally revealed as if it's, you know, ephemeral and forgotten about, the next day.

Yeah. You know? I, yeah, I struggle every day with, you know, would it be paradigm shifting? Of course it will be. Like, especially on each individual. But I think overall, globally, you're right. Like, we're living in a time where there's wars all over the world,

climate change, like, you name it. There's things happening. We've got these horrible things happening in North Carolina, Florida and everything. By the way, Micahanks, it's okay. We know that. Yes, we have received word. Micah is doing good. He is just without internet and electricity. But he is safe. So, yeah, anyone who was asking, I know people are texting you and me.

Like, has anyone heard from Micah? He's good. He's good, guys. But, yeah, I would have to agree with you. I think we are, we are adaptable creatures. We always happen. Yeah. So many ways. Yeah. If that were to happen, yeah, you're right. The next day. okay well I still have to go to work yeah I start to eat I still have to pay the bills like yeah now I have to say this like if we found that out and then we found out they were a threat

that would be a whole different situation I believe you know what I mean like how would we prepare for that right I don't think they're you know I may be totally wrong in this but I don't feel like they're a threat because I think we would know that by now they have had so many opportunities sure If these cases we've heard are true of them shutting off nuclear installations and weapons.

But then you look at the other side of like they're also abducting people. So it's like where are we dealing with different intelligences or just different motivations by one race of aliens? Who knows? Yeah. But it's all very fascinating. But yeah, I agree. I think things would change. but life would go on.

And we would have to learn how to integrate this new thing into our world in every way. And I've said this, I believe I said this when I was emceeing the other day, is I watched something on YouTube, and I believe that it was filmed in 1955. That's 55, that's 5-5, where this guy with a fedora is saying, I just want to know what these things are before I done. die. And that was back then.

Here we are. Here we are, you know, almost 70 years later. Yeah, it's crazy. Still wondering. It was, and I think Bryce brought up, was it, Heinek went to his deathbed and his last words were something like, still, still they won't tell me the truth about this. Yeah. And then he died. Like, oh, man. Yeah.

Breaks my heart. Yeah. On a lighter note. Surf Psych, welcome. How similar is Martin's disc siding to the Costa Rica, 171 Lake Cote, UFO? Interesting. Are you familiar with that?

No, I'm not. I'm sorry, but forgive me if you want to move on to another question, and I'll want to see what is. 1971, Costa Rica, Lake Cote. All right. Thank you for that. Yeah, because I love hearing about things I've never heard about. Yeah.

Give that a look. I'll move to this question, Martin. Shane Ryan is here. Martin and Ryan. Oh, Shane. I'm saying from down under. Oh, yes, of course. Yeah. Hello, Shane.

Did you know a Miami-based filmmaker is endeavoring to make a documentary series about the 1967 Crestview Elementary School UFO in Opelaca, Florida? That's interesting. I just did a school children episode of the podcast where I talked about cases from all over the place. Is that it? I don't know. I'm going to make sure it is. Yeah. Yeah. So, but anyway. Yeah.

In this case, this one in Opelaka showed up, which is really interesting. There seem to be a lot of documentaries coming out. We've got James Fox. Oh, I know. I know this one. This is the one on the map.

Let's go ahead. I don't know if we can do that. That's the one that's on the map, like a Google. Yeah. But, yes, but there's supposedly I was taken by, I'm trying to think, I remember about this, but I can't remember the history. It was a photographed in 1971. And, but anyway, yeah, fascinating picture. And I would say very much, very much like that, but you have to look at this is looking down onto this thing.

And I was looking up under. And all I can say was, I can't say anything distinguishing at all about it. other than being this perfectly shaped disc. And with a blue glow, and it's like a cool blue glow around it. You know what I mean, it was like a fuzziness. Interesting. I wonder what that was. But this was dusk, you know, so it wasn't, I can't tell if it was bright or, you know, whatever.

Huh. But. Yeah, like a force field or so. I don't know. Yeah. I've heard of one other person talk about something similar. Yeah. Interesting.

Thank you, Shane. Thank you for that. We'll keep a lookout for the documentary. Yeah, we should mention they just dropped the trailer for James Fox's new documentary program. So everyone go check that out. I think there's a new Bob Lazard documentary coming on here. Oh, no. Whole can of words.

We won't get it. But, yeah, it is what it is. whatever happened to Obama's Betty and Barty Hill Abduction, I think that's still coming out. Did you know that Obama was producing? I think it's going to be a Netflix documentary. I had no idea. Yeah.

This was announced, it was very under the rug, actually, that Obama and his wife were going to be co-producing a documentary series or I don't know if it's a fictional series based on. I don't know. But yeah, they, They were, for some reason, fascinated by that case. Now, I actually live in that town. Right.

Of course, of New Hampshire. Yeah. Yeah. So, and I was, I lived there until I was age three, then move, you know, five miles away. But, but, you know, when I was growing up there, you know, the story, I guess, came out in 66, I believe. You know, it happened in 61 or two. I can't remember. But never heard a thing.

Nothing. Never heard a thing about it. Wow. That's interesting. Yeah. Just yet another fascinating case. you know, and I know we should also say, rest in peace to James Earl Jones,

who played Barney Hill in that wonderful movie, the UFO abduction. I believe it was called the UFO incident. I actually did see that. Yeah. And at the time, I saw it when it came out on TV, I believe. Oh, wow. And I don't know why I didn't put it Portsmouth together with him.

I was living right there. But I was like, but I did watch that. And I, you know, I didn't really have an interest, much of an interest to watch things like that. But I remember watching it. Yeah. And thinking, you know, wow, that's. But no, I'm thinking more or less sci-fi. I didn't think it was, you know, a real case or something.

Yeah. I can't really recall. Well, in another case, like Shank Harbor that I'm now learning, had UFO settings prior to the Betty and Barney Hill incident in Port Smith. There were things caught on radar. Other witnesses saw things. So I tend to believe them that something happened. Yeah. Something definitely happened in Fort Smith.

Now, when I was a kid, I lived across the river from P's Air Force Base. That's where they did detect things. And I lived across the river and up on a hill so I could see the landing strip there. And I saw some weird things, but they were, I think they were weather balloons and things like my sister and I sitting there watching. The real weather balloon. It's always. Yeah. We can't escape it.

I feel like today's Seagull was yesterday's weapon for sure. Yeah. Guys, we're going to start to close things out because Martin does have other plans today. And I also have to go ghost up. Oh, yeah. So we'll get to these last two questions here. I want to thank all of you for participating. Yeah, thank you, everyone.

Yes, thank you. Ray says, do you think our treatment of aliens from neighboring countries informs how we would treat aliens from another? Well, I think, yeah, that is a heavy question. You know, I think we look at, we look at the, what we have to do for people coming into this country and, you know, supply for them. I don't think that's the same situation. If an alien came here, they're not going to want to use our, you know, our social services,

so to speak. So, no, I don't think they would be treated. the same in any type of way. I'm hoping that we'd be welcoming. You know what I mean? The alternative wouldn't be good. If they come in peace. Otherwise, independence day.

If they don't, we might as well, you are just find the bunker and find it. Yeah, it is a very good question. Thank you for asking that. I would have to agree with you. I think there's a big difference between the two. But then you look at like, it's just. She Wells wrote War of the Worlds kind of to compare it to colonialism at the time. So you do have these interesting sociological questions that could be asked of others.

Whether it's immigrants coming to another country or if it's aliens coming to another planet. But I do, I get where you're coming from. Like, I think there is a responsibility on this planet for all humans to look up for all humans no matter what. It should be an unspoken rule of just our mere existence and being part of humanity. But yeah, it would really depend on the intention of whatever non-human intelligence, I guess we're calling it now. Yeah. That's the new buzz turn. That's right. Yeah. What their intentions would be. Yeah. Good question. Very good point. Yeah. Here we go. Terrance. We're going to end with this question, guys. For Rhine and Martin, what do you think the

phenomenon is. We kind of touched on that earlier, but why are they here? So yeah, interdimensional, us from the future. Where do you, you're kind of, column A, column B. Yeah. And I like the term Chuck Ballet has said, you know, maybe it's a number of things. And maybe it's something that we wouldn't understand. And that seems almost incomprehensible that we wouldn't understand something. But maybe that's what it is. And then, you know, when you hear Lou Elizando, you know, say, it's like maybe it's something that's always been here, you know, and that's, that's fascinating in itself. So, yeah, I would have to say it's all in the gray basket. I really don't know. You know, I never pretend that I do know.

And I just, you know, alien to us. That's the best way I can put it. That's, yeah, I could not put it better. I mean, I change my mind every day. I know it could be. And I do think it is different sources, different intelligences, different phenomena. You know, I'm even on this weird journey right now trying to connect the paranormal to UFO. to cryptozoology.

And even on my ghost show, and like if we have paranormal activity going on in the house, I run outside and start looking up in the sky. Yeah, that's a thing. That's true. Happening at the same time. Yeah, Paul Eno, who we lost fairly recently within the last year. His idea was that everything, everything was interventional.

It all like Bigfoot, ghosts, UFOs, every single thing he thought was interventional and they were all connected. I thought it was an interesting theory. It is. Why have we never, you know, allegedly found a body up of Bigfoot or why we can't capture ghosts at a constant rate for UFOs and creatures at the bottom of Shag Harbor, or Shelbur, Shelburne, I should say. And I had an experience that I can't.

explain and maybe some people would call it Poltergeist, but I still don't know what it was. Yeah. And, you know, I mean, I just, I witnessed it firsthand. Yep. And I would bet my son's life that it really happened. You know, that's how, you know, I mean, I have, it did happen. Right. To me.

And it wasn't, you know, now people are going to say, what was it? I think that's. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. But it was, you know, basically, I'll just say real quickly, if you'd like. At least, yeah. Yeah.

So I was working in a house in the auction business and I was cleaning it out and I was putting things. You know, in the winter was slow. I said, hey, look, I'll take everything out of here so you can sell the house. So I'm taking things out of the closet upstairs. All the windows were down. There was a carpet in and I had to force the closet door open to get over the carpet because they never trimmed the bottom of the door when they put the carpet in basically. So I'm taking things out of the closet. The door is wide open.

I had slid a broom down the stairway and all of a sudden the closet door in the bedroom slammed. So I go back in and I try the door and see how hard it is to open and how hard it is to close. I look at the closed windows and I say, I'm getting out of here. And just then there was no wind that day. I was there in the house alone. The front door slammed. I went downstairs in the broom that I slid down 15 minutes earlier. was leaning against the door.

Nobody was there. And there was one other thing that happened. And so that really happened. I don't know what it was. I swore I'd never talk about it, but I don't care at this point in my life because it's something that happened. Yeah.

And I know it happened. I watched it and I don't know what it was. That's what we need, Martin. We need more of these, whoever is part of the truth embargo, as Basset would call it, or the cover-up, We need more of them to say, I don't care anymore. Here you go.

And maybe we're slowly starting to see that. We'll see as these, you know, whatever, UFOs in Congress or this disclosure act in, you know, the National Defense Bill. If all of this comes to light and we finally do get some of these people being like, I don't care anymore. Yeah. You know, I'm sick of the lies. I'm sick of the cover up. And I want people to know. The caveat to that, though, is people.

that will get in trouble that have these NDAs and, you know, they'll lose their pension, they'll lose that. And that's what they have held over them. And also if they violate anything that has to do with national security. And that's another tough thing you can get into because anything can kind of be twisted a little bit into that box of national security. And, you know, you're going to lose your pension. Exactly. Yeah, I feel like the more we know, the more classified everything is going to start to get. So it's just this constant game of like, we're getting a little bit.

But now we're classified all UFO related material, as John Green all to say. So it's fascinating. Awesome. That's going to do it, guys. Thank you for your questions. Again, we really do appreciate that. Thank you, everyone. Thanks for hanging out with us this morning.

But before we go, Martin, let us know where can we find everything you're doing, what you got coming up? Yeah, give us all of that. Okay. So next week, next Tuesday, I have Dan. Carlson, who's a pastor, he's been in touch with me for about a year. He's very fascinated by the topic. He's going to be a pretty interesting guest. So that'll be interesting.

And I did interview in D.C. at the hearing, I interviewed a priest live. And that was fascinating there. And in the background, you see Lou Elizondo walking. I didn't even know he was there. Someone spotted it on the video. It's like catching a big foot. Yeah. That's right.

But anyway, so it's podcast UFO, very easy URL to find. And I have live shows every Tuesday at 7 p.m. Eastern. And I usually run for an hour, sometimes longer. And I also do the Everything Else show, which is, of course, everything else. Every once in a while I do that on a Thursday night. But that's it. And then I have a YouTube channel and, you know, things like that. All basically the same.

And you can find it in any podcast feed, you know, out there. Things like that. But that's it. But it's been a real pleasure. I thought we had a great conversation. Thanks, my man. That was such a pleasure. Yeah, guys.

And like I said, hopefully we'll get some footage from the Shag Harbor UFO. Good camera. The UFO Expo. I'll see if I can get my hands on any of that. But go check out Shag Harbor UFO Expo on Facebook. They've been posting a bunch of pictures and stuff from it so you can get a feel for it. And, yeah, stay tuned for some news on that front about Shag Harbor and something I'm working on. I will let you know about that soon.

but again I want to thank Martin for coming on here today. I want to thank Suzanne, our wonderful moderator. She did a great job. I know we weren't really looking at the chat too much, but that's what happens. She did a great job as always. And thank you to all, I keep looking here. Thank you to all of you for watching.

This will be available in podcast form as well in the very near future. So make sure you like, subscribe, all that stuff, you know. And yeah, check out podcast. YouFO wherever you find somewhere in the skies as well. And that's going to do it, guys. Thank you again. We'll leave you with the mantra here as always. As we close things out, keep your feet on the ground,

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