Somewhere in the Skies - LIVE: UAP Hearing Highlights | Mars Alien Life Discovery | Hellfire Missile UFO Video

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

In this episode, we break down the September 9th UAP Hearing with all the highlights — from explosive new witness testimony to never-before-seen UFO footage. 👽 We also dive into NASA’s Perseverance Rover discoveries on Mars, asking the big question: could we finally be on the verge of confirming ancient alien life? 🌲 Plus, we explore mysterious strange lights captured in a Chilean forest that continue to baffle scientists and aviation experts. 🔥 Finally, don’t miss our deep analysis of the Hellfire Missile UFO video, a clip that could change the trajectory of the UFO disclosure movement forever. Tune in now for an episode packed with UAP news, UFO investigations, and cutting-edge space discoveries! Please take a moment to rate and review us on Spotify and Apple. ANOMACON 2025: http://www.anomacon.com Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Email: [e-mail] Discord: https://discord.gg/NTkmuwyB4F Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ryansprague.bsky.social Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomewhereSkies Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/somewhereskiespod/ Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryansprague51 Order Ryan’s new book: https://a.co/d/4KNQnM4 Order Ryan’s older book: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Store: http://tee.pub/lic/ULZAy7IY12U Proud member of SpectreVision Radio: https://www.spectrevision.com/podcasts Read Ryan’s articles at: https://medium.com/@ryan-sprague51 Opening Theme Song by Septembryo Copyright © 2025 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #UAPHearing #UFODisclosure #HellfireUFO #NASAPerseverance #AlienLife #UFOTwitter #UAPs #MarsDiscovery #ChileUFO #ParanormalPodcast #UFOCommunity #DisclosureNow #AlienEvidence #UFOResearch #UFOSightings Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Tonight, new never-before-seen video off the coast of Yemen showing a US MQ9 Reaper drone tracking a glowing orb as it flies over the water. Now watch closely as a different US drone drops a hellfire missile on that fast-moving orb. The missile appearing to bounce off the object, doing very little damage. The orb then zipping away unfazed. The video from October 2024 shown during a congressional hearing today on unexplained anomalous phenomena. That's the official name for UFOs. Do you solemnly swear?

Several service members giving their own eyewitness accounts and reacting to that new video. Does this video scare you guys? Yes or no? Yes. Wiggins? Yes. Yes. other possibilities to use our imaginations.

For if we consider that astro-scientists agree on one point, that the possibility of life elsewhere is not only quite probable, some field is there without a doubt. Let us suppose then that these objects are real space vehicles, extraterrestrial origin, and not an illusion of the mind. There's nothing to hide. There's nothing to hide at all. What's up, guys? Welcome to somewhere.

in the live stream. I am your host, Ryan Sprague, the host of the Somewhere in the Skies podcast. If you're new to the channel, welcome. It's so good to have you with us tonight. This is a live stream we try to do every Sunday evening, 4 p.m. Eastern Standard, 9 p.m. UK time. And we try to break down all the latest UFO and UAP related news, space news, and everything in between. and we got some good stuff for you guys tonight. Suzanne, our awesome moderator, is going to be joining me after the commercial break tonight to break down the UAP hearing. What were the highlights?

What did we like? What did we not like? What has kept the conversation going from that hearing? We'll also be talking about that hellfire missile, UFO video that was shown at the hearing. We've got some awesome analysis on that from both sides of the speech. spectrum, whether it's believers, skeptics, or like most of us, somewhere in between.

We're going to talk all about that as well. We've got some incredible, incredible space news for you guys, too, about Mars and the possibility of life found on Mars. You're definitely going to want to stick around for that. But hello, hello to all our regulars in the chat. I see all of you in there. Thank you so much for being here, guys. and thank you.

Everyone's so excited about Anomicon. We played a little clip for you there right at the beginning. Anomicon is a free virtual conference that will be happening right here on this YouTube channel, this upcoming Saturday, September 20th, starting at 11 a.m. Eastern. We're going to be going all day, guys. This is an all-day virtual event that you can watch right here for free. We've got speakers in all realms of the anomalous. scientists, academics, researchers, comedians, you name it. We've got it.

We've got musicians playing music for you guys, all on the topic of the anomalous. So later in the show, we're going to be going through each of our speakers and what they're going to be talking about, give you guys a little tease of what to expect on September 20th. But if you're not already subscribed to the channel, hit that subscribe button right now, like this video. Hit that notification bell so you don't forget about Anomicon coming up. up. And we'll be flashing that website on the screen for you guys all night tonight as well. Anomicon.com is where you can learn more about the event. Our sponsors for the event, our incredible sponsors who have helped us out, and all of our speakers as well. Yes, we do.

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It has come together beautifully. So yeah, we'll be talking more about Anomicon later in the show. But tonight is also the last night that you can support Anamicon. And that is in the form of super chats, super stickers. Buy me a coffee. PayPal. We'll have QR links up for you guys all night. And you can find

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kind. Help us out if you can. We would greatly, greatly appreciate that. That will be open all night and all super chats will get highlighted. And if you have any questions, put them in the super chat to you. And Suzanne and I will try our best to get to all of those with you guys tonight as well. On a similar note, I got some new reviews of the podcast. You guys listened. I believe it was last week, I told you to go over to Apple Podcasts, and review the Summer in the Skies podcast and leave me the code word, the secret code word or words, I should say. And that was crystalline potato. Just a little call back to something we talked about last week. And you guys did it. You pulled it off. So I want to thank these brand new reviewers over there.

Let's go through these first. We have Stir Fest, who said always one of the best. I've been listening to Ryan for years and he's one of the best, most sincere. humble in the UFO podcast, Biz. He has so much knowledge, treats every case and witness with a healthy dose of skepticism. Keep up the great work, Ryan, crystalline potato. StarFest, thank you so much. That truly means the world to me. I really, really appreciate that. Our second review comes from Plaid Octopus.

I love that handle. Great nuts and bolts, euphological, and experience, our podcast with an open perspective that leaves all options on the table. Ryan has a tremendous amount of knowledge on the topic, but enters every conversation with humility. Quite amazing to hear him interview novice filmmakers with the same respect and curiosity that he interviews heralded in renowned pundits and scholars like Dr. Diana Walsh Basilica. Always bring popcorn and a notepad to every episode. Platt Octopus, that is so kind of you. I truly do appreciate that. And your review is titled Crystaline Potato. And our last one here comes from Barefoot Indy.

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Go. Do it. All right, guys. Let's get to the UFO news. We've talked about this stuff long enough. We're starting tonight with a story that I found just today out of Chile. This is a pretty interesting one. So the title reads, camera trap in Chile detect strange lights blazing through the wilderness. Researchers are scrambling.

to explain them. So again, if you're watching this on YouTube with us live tonight, you're seeing three images that were captured from this, this like trail cam, basically, camera trap. And here's a little breakdown of what is going on here, or not what's going on. That's what we're trying to figure out. In January, a wildlife camera trap operated by the University of Magalanis

in Chile's Patagonia region, recorded three photos in two seconds showing bright lights descending toward the lens across a flat horizon, far from any public roads or even settlements. The images are part of a larger project of 65 camera traps spread across Pentagonia and Tierra del Fuego, which have captured over 365,000 images since November of 2023. But only these three images show anything remotely similar. The footage, which appeared to depict distant lights approaching and lingering in front of the camera, was quickly shared with civil aviation authorities, UFO researchers, and institutions including the La Serena UFO Museum for further analysis. Scientists have ruled out many mundane causes, including storms.

The sky was calm that night, they stress, technical malfunctions, and technical malfunctions, and, typical animal or insect interference, though one report noted that a small insect near the frame in the first photo. Explanations under consideration range from atmospheric plasma phenomena, plasmoids, to internal lens reflections, but none so far account for the trajectory, luminosity, or behavior of the lights. Researchers stressed the importance of gathering more data, and the project is continuing with expanded fieldwork and additional camera traps,

in hopes of capturing repeat events. If confirmed as atmospheric or plasma anomalies, this case could provide new insights into rare natural phenomena. But for now, the mysterious lights remain unexplained. So fascinating. Now, there were some videos going around, I want to say, four months ago,

by Dr. Bob McGuire, I believe is his name and his significant other. They had captured these strange lights in their backyard, and they caught them on like a ringlight or something similar to that. And it reminded me a lot of what we're looking at in these photos. And the sort of consensus on that video that Bob shared was that it was the reflection of a spider and a spider web that had been close to the camera. I agreed with that analysis after I showed the video to several other

video analysis, people at Mufon, and video experts, and they all agreed that the image, or I guess the video that Bob had caught, was indeed spider webs, with, you know, lights either from the house or the moon reflecting off of it. Now, it was mentioned that in one of these photos

in insect could be, scene. I think I'm looking at it right now. But as for the large lights, that does not look like just something bouncing off of a flying insect or something. Again, we don't know distance. We don't know true trajectory since we only have the images. We don't have the video itself. So we obviously cannot make any firm conclusions. But this is interesting. Interesting enough that the university sent it on to aviation experts and places like this, these strange lights that had been found in the wilderness out there. So, I mean, what do you guys think? What do you make of the very limited data we have? But data nonetheless, photographic evidence.

I want to know. I want to know what you guys think. What are we looking at here? Let me know in the live chat. Let me know in the comments below the video. What are we looking at in Chile here on these trap cameras. I love to know what you guys think. The plasmoids are here, James Craig says. Love it, love it. Hello, Tuchelbele. Insects was my first thought on this one,

but it would be interesting to see the photos of the insects caught on the trail cam for comparison. I just wonder why Insects wildlife was ruled out. Yes, very good point. I don't know why they were so quick to rule that out, but interesting nonetheless. less. Pat Gallagher says drones. Hey, who knows, man?

Were there civilian drones out there? Were there some type of drones out there doing, I don't know, data gathering, geographic stuff, geological stuff? Who knows? Who knows? But maybe drones. Could it be ball lightning,

Jay Rosenberg says? That is one possibility that I believe they looked at as well. Ball lightning seems to be the culprit for a lot of UFO cases. Just as J.L. and Heinek and Project Blue Book, right? Interesting. Do they have fireflies in Chile?

James Craig asks. I don't know. I don't know. Daly. Could be. I get moths and spiders triggering my cameras as well. Camera shines floodlights when triggered. So it seems like a lot of people are going with bugs on this.

I do paranormal investigation, so I analyze a lot of photos. Jamie Tree Spirit says, These seem far away from the camera to be a bug close to the lens, but it could be a drone or bird. Hmm. Yeah. Huh. Lightship, Nicholas says. Welcome, Nicholas.

Thanks for being here. Yeah, who knows, guys? I think that's too bright to be fireflies. Maybe we'll get more data. Maybe they'll capture repeatability is the name of the game. So maybe they will capture. stuff like this again out there. Are we looking at like another Hestelin lights out there in, um, is it Sweden?

Norway? Oh my gosh. Why am I forgetting this? Um, the Hestelin lights. I should know this. I just talked to Erling P. Strad yesterday. He's coming on the show. And now I'm failing at knowing exactly where Hestelin is.

Norway. Thank you, Chauveli. I really appreciate it. Good Lord. My geography is. horrendous. But surprise, guys, we're going to have Erling Strand on the Summer in the Skies podcast. He leads the entire expedition team out there in Hestelin, who have been recording these

strange light phenomena for decades at this point. So much so that J. L. and Heineck actually went out to investigate it as well back in the Blue Book days. Crazy stuff. Crazy stuff. But yes, I spoke to Erlene yesterday. He will be coming on the podcast in the very near future to talk all about Hestelin and what has gone on there, what's going on now, and how we can further their scientific exploration out there of the Hesdalen lights.

So stay tuned for that. The balls are back. Let's get ballsy, guys. No, we're not talking the Bougaspir. We are talking the spirals. Remember Avi Loeb's balls? I know a lot of you want to forget Avi Loeb's balls, but we're getting all up in

Avi Lobes balls tonight because there's been some updates on Avi Lobes balls. I got to stop. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This is actually serious news. This is pretty damn cool, if you ask me. Harvard's study

finds exotic spirals may be interstellar in origin. Now, some time ago, we had Dr. Avi Loeb on the show to talk about these spherals back when they were first discovered in the water out near Papua New Guinea. And they had been going through crazy

rigorous pressure tests on these things and they could not figure out what these things were. But it seems that we have some updates. On Avi Lov's balls. I had to do it one last time. That's it, I promise.

So let's go ahead and read this news. In June of 2023, an expedition to the Pacific Ocean retrieved remnants of a meteor IM1. The first interstellar object formerly confirmed by U.S. Space Command enlisted in NASA's C-N-E-O-S catalog. The recovered 850 tiny spirals analyzed at heart. University included a remarkable subset dubbed Be Lao, spherals due to their extraordinary enrichment in beryllium, lanthanum, and uranium, with concentrations up to a thousand times greater than solar elemental norms. These unusual compositions are unlikely any material from within the solar system, raising the possibility that their origins may be interstellar.

Their discovery and detailed analysis lend scientific legitimacy to the idea that fragments of an interstellar object have been recovered on Earth for the very first time. Skeptics. We always got to throw this in, guys. Skeptics suggested that the Bay-Lao spherals could be explained by human-made coal ash or terrestrial tectites from known impact events. However, peer-reviewed analysis have firmly ruled out this possibility. The research demonstrated clear differences between the Baylau composition and both coal ash

and Australasian tectites, whose elemental abundancies strongly resemble Earth's upper continental crust rather than the exotic Baylau's signature. Even laterites chemically weathered terrestrial soils were excluded as possible sources. I mean, duh. I could have told you that. If this breakthrough is proven, it would mark a milestone in astronomy and planetary science, opening the door to studying interstellar matter directly. Far from speculation, the scientific work highlights how painstaking analysis,

rather than conjecture can push the boundaries of our understanding of cosmic origins. Pretty awesome. If true, Obie's everywhere, man. I'm telling you, between, you know, the spaceship coming in, you know, out there in the Milky Way to these spherals. He's just like, he's got his balls on everything. He's got his fingers on everything. Sorry.

It's cool. It's cool. I like this. I like this. The man knows how to stay relevant. And possibly with good reason. His balls. Let's move on to our next story.

This is incredible, guys. Life on Mars. Life on Mars. That's it. We have found the remnants of possible ancient life on Mars. NASA's Perseverance Rover has delivered its most tantalizing evidence yet that Mars may have once hosted life. I'm going to go ahead and play a clip from the press conference that NASA gave this past week, literally on the heels of the heels of the. of the UAP hearing.

These things happened like right back to back from one another, which is so interesting, possibly coordinated. Who knows, who knows. But NASA did hold a press conference on this very exciting news. So right now you're going to watch a clip that includes some of the NASA people talking about this discovery. And also one of my favorite TikTokers, Astro Girl, I believe is her name, talking about getting a bit more in depth about where this was found, what it means, and everything in between. So let me go ahead and find that video for you guys.

And let's learn more about this possibility of life, ancient life on Mars. This is so cool. Hang tight. Here we go. Perseverance. This was a mission sent to Mars under President Trump's first presidency. And a year ago, we found a sample, and it was, again, we're exploring in places where there were rivers and where there were lakes, and much as on Earth, we think that that's where we'd see signs of ancient life on Mars.

And so a year ago, we thought we found what we believed to be signs of microbial life on the Mars surface. And so we put it out to our scientific friends to pressure. tested, to analyze it and go, did we get this right? Do we think this is signs of ancient life on Mars? And after a year of review, they've come back and they said, listen, we can't find another explanation. So this very well could be the clearest sign of life that we've ever found on Mars. This image was taken by the Perseverance Rover on Mars and released by NASA last year. and this rock is now the best evidence we've ever had for ancient life on Mars.

This is the area where the rover is on Mars, and it very obviously had running water in the past. And the rover took a sample of this rock and found that it contains organic compounds. If you zoom in, you can see these white Pocodots surrounded by black rings. These contain iron and phosphate. We've never seen this on Mars, but we have seen this on Earth when there's a fossilized record of microbes living in the subsurface. The spots on the rock could have been left behind biomiprobial life if it had used the wrong ingredients, the organic carbon, the sulfur, and the phosphorus that we see on the rock as an energy source. There are ways to produce these spots without biological reactions, things like sustained high temperatures, acidic conditions, and binding organic compounds. But there's no evidence of any of that happening here.

This is what this area looked like. So this specific rock in an ancient river valley has organic matter and crystallized magma right here and an energy source for microbes. So it's becoming not only possible, but increasingly likely that this is the first evidence of ancient microbial life on Mars. There you go, guys. Incredible. Now, you know, the discovery is awesome. But what are some of the possibilities? Dalyan points out there, I really did like this.

Hopefully not microbes brought by previous Earth probes. That's a good point. Have we seemingly contaminated the planet in this specific area? That we do need to keep that in mind. Pat Gallagher has some passionate thoughts on NASA. I will not put that up on the screen. But Pat, we love you. We love having you here, brother.

Robert Chafee says, Could be a piece of meteorite that fell to Mars. Hey, yeah. I mean, look at the whole panspermia idea. A lot of people think that even we are not originally from our own planet, that a meteorite of some sort crashed on Earth, and we evolved from that meteorite that came from somewhere else. So we are seemingly aliens to our own planet.

Could that be what we're looking at here? I don't care about microbes, Pat says, I want to see kill guns. I love it. I love it. Yeah, yeah. No matter what, this is such exciting news. And now we need those samples.

We've got to get them back to Earth. That's the important part, right? So this article here reads from space.com, while scientists remain cautious, the discovery is widely seen as the clearest potential of biosignatures yet returned. from the red planet. The preservation of organic matter, complex mineral patterns, and biologically relevant chemistry, point towards Mars having once been habitable and perhaps inhabited.

The eventual return of these samples to Earth, despite delays, promises to open an unprecedented window into the planet's ancient past. If confirmed, Perseverance's findings could mark a historic breakthrough. the first evidence that life is not unique to Earth, but a wider phenomenon in the cosmos. Get those rocks here. Get them back, baby. Put them next to Avi Loeb's balls.

See if they do some weird reactions to one another. Mars rocks, Avi's balls. I don't know. Kurt, thank you so much, brother. Really do appreciate that. For the Somewhere team and Anomicon, keep up the awesome work. We truly do appreciate that $20 super chat, buddy.

Thank you. Thank you. That goes towards the nomicon and all of your donations tonight, guys, go to help our free virtual conference for you guys coming this Saturday, upcoming Saturday. Thank you so much. That says I'm obsessed with Bobby's balls. I'm just having fun.

I am having a ball tonight. What do I got next? Oh, wow. Guys, let's take a quick commercial break because what are you drinking? James Christ says. I'm going to be honest, man. I got a new spooky mug for the holidays, spooky season, and it has Earl Grey Tea in it. You can see it.

That's all I'm drinking. That's all I'm drinking. Suzanne's got her wonderful mug, which we will show, and she comes out in just a little bit. We're going Alien versus Ghosts tonight. It would appear. I'm just, I'm in a good mood. I'm in a good mood. Look, we're all here.

We're all living. We're all breathing. A lot of bad stuff in the world going on. But we can come here at least once a week. Get along, no matter your politics, no matter your views on things. And just talk about this one thing that we all have in common. Is there life out there as it visited our planet? What other weird stuff is out there that challenges everything we once thought we knew about life and the universe and everything in between?

So I'm just, I don't know, I'm feeling very fortunate and blessed that we can bring you guys an incredible event this week, that we can do this with you guys, our community, that I have the best moderator in the world who helps me every single week. I just feel very, very fortunate and happy tonight. So, yeah, I'll leave it at that. I also saw a really dark movie this week, but it actually, once again, made me feel very lucky and fortunate and blessed to have the friends and the family and the colleagues

and the support of you guys that I do. Yeah, I saw the movie The Long Walk. Yeah, that's what it was called, the Stephen King one. Go see it. Best movie of the year, in my opinion. Best movie of the year. here by far. Okay.

Sorry, I'm just reading your chat here quick. Yeah, exactly. There's always a bright side. Always a bright side. There's a rainbow outside my window today. That put me in a good mood to you. All right, guys.

Quick commercial break. We're going to come back and talk about our favorite and or our most impactful thoughts and opinions and moments from the UAP hearing that took place this past week, which we did broadcast right here on the channel. You can go back a couple videos and watch the entire UAP congressional hearing right here on our channel. Just search for that

back there, a couple videos back. But we're going to talk about some of it with you guys tonight with Suzanne. And then we're going to break down that hellfire missile UFO video that has been all over the news lately that was shown for the very first time at the UAP hearing. And yeah, we've got some interesting analysis on that video from various different people. So we're going to break that down with you guys too. And yeah, yeah, we're going to come back strong with a lot of the most current things going on in the UFO world. But stick with us, guys. Quick break here.

Let's reset. Go refill those drinks. Do what you got to do. I'll see you back here in just a couple minutes. And we will talk all about the UAP hearing and that hellfire. That's your code word for your ratings and reviews on Apple Podcasts, the Hellfire Missile UFO. Stay tuned, and we will be right back. Greetings, everyone. Ryan Sprike here, host of Summer in the Skies.

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That shouldn't be happening. Let me, after this live stream, I'll make sure that doesn't happen to you guys again. Sometimes YouTube, it auto sets that ads will show up while you're watching a live stream, which is utterly ridiculous. I do not want you guys to suffer through something like that. It may have been turned on for some reason. I do apologize on behalf of YouTube for that, and I will make sure that does not happen for our next live stream. It will not happen at a NamaCon either. that much I can damn guarantee you.

So again, my apologies for that. And hopefully that will not happen moving forward in the future. I will double check that for you guys. Okay. A ton of ads, Trudy says, damn, that sucks. I'm so sorry. Yeah, I'll see what I can do during one of these videos, guys, that we play tonight. Let me see if I can change that for you.

But let's get to the UAP. hearing that took place this past week. I love this photo that was taken by the boys over at Estimate of the situation. They were in attendance. Tom was from Estimate of the situation. He was there at the event. And he took this incredible photo. I get chills looking at this. No matter what you think of this hearing, what it is, what it stands for, who these individuals are,

whether you think it's a waste of money or This is progress moving forward in the UAP topic. This is a badass image. Especially seeing George Knapp there, right there, smack dab in the middle. It just looks so cinematic and serious. I can see this being a comic book panel in an upcoming estimate of the situation comic book. Shout out to EOS. They will be a sponsor at a Nomicon.

So you're going to see some really fun little promo spots for them throughout an Amiccan as well. But they were in attendance, took this picture. And it was an interesting, interesting hearing. So what I'm going to do now is bring in Suzanne so that you know what that means, guys. Hold it down in the chat for her. Behave, talks amongst yourselves. We'll try to get your questions and comments up as we are conversing tonight too. we're going to break down each of the individuals that talked at the event, testified, excuse me, at the hearing,

and, you know, kind of our thoughts on them. I've got videos from, I believe, one, two, three of these guys, and then we're going to show the Hellfire Missile video and break it down with you. So let's bring her in it. Without further ado, she's back home from a long, long trip, the one in the only one and only. Susan Landers, welcome. Hi, everybody. How are you? Let her know in the chat, guys.

How are you doing? How are you doing? Oh, my gosh. You have been on the road and you still showed up for the hearing in our post discussion. I did. That was a hot mess on my end and the RV in the middle of nowhere in New Mexico. We all survived it. We did.

And you did, most importantly. Yeah. But you did get a chance to watch the entire hearing with me. and we did do a post discussion as well. But I thought tonight we would kind of catch people up. You know, the hearing will live on our YouTube channel. It lives on the podcast. We did put it out in podcast form as well on somewhere in the skies.

So you guys can always go back and listen to that whole thing. But let's kind of catch people up. This was the title of the hearing was restoring public trust through UAP transparency. and whistleblower protection. It was held by the Federal Secrets Task Force. And this one really focused on whistleblower protection. They even pulled a last minute additional witness to testify. I want to get his name right here.

That was Joe Spielberger, who was a Senior Policy Council project on government oversight official, who kind of painted the picture for us, you know, what whistleblowers are, what they go through. through the channels, the importance of whistleblower protection and how that all may have to do with these whistleblowers coming forward with the UAP. But yeah, I guess let's kind of start with your initial thoughts, your overall thoughts on the UAP hearing, before we break down each of these witnesses a little bit. Well, I was trying not to cheer and jump up and down inside the RV during the hearing

because on the transparency issue, I think they hit the nail on the head. Did anybody but me not have Representative Luna calling Sean Kirkpatrick a liar? That's how we started. My God. She was like, oh, by the way, Sean Kirkpatrick is a proven liar. Anyways. Right. That was pretty nuts.

I mean, that, like, write that in there. I'm like, oh, this is going to be. circus. Yeah. But then I thought Moskowitz backed up the hearing. You know, she started it with that. And Moskowitz at the back end of it

basically said the same thing. Not quite so frankly, but the we're being lied to, I think, was his phrase. So anyway. He has gone on the record of saying, you know, that the last hearing they had, they were told not to ask

certain questions by individuals. Direct interference. Yeah. Direct interference. Oh, God. But yeah, yeah. So, you know, the guys, you know, they put up the hands. They swore the oath. They, you know, said, I swear to tell the truth, blah, blah, blah, blah. I always get chills when I see them down the line doing that. No matter what you think, it's a historic moment in UFO history, in congressional history.

Even if you think it was a big wet fart or a waste of time, if you think it's all BS, I get it, guys. I get it. I understand. But the fact of the matter is, U.S. are being discussed on the congressional floor. And it's going to happen, whether you like it or not. A lot of people don't like that their taxpayer money is going to crap like this. There's more important things in the world, people say. I agree. I definitely agree.

But right now, right here, this is happening. These people are doing a UFO hearing, and this is what came of it. So let's kind of, let's break that down a little bit. Oh, before we do that, inattuck, we've got to go through the list of the people that were in attendance that we can see. We had, Stephen Greer was there. Hymane Misan. This is denying to me peeking in the background, trying to figure out who's sitting where. I'm in a lot.

Yep. So Stephen Greer, Jaime Monson, James Fox, Jeremy Corbell, as usual. I saw a few other podcasters in the background there. Who else? Let me add it, you know, our very own hides and long grass was in the room. Hides and long grass, of course. It was sending us exclusive photos in our Discord, which we do have a Discord, guys. I got to shut that out more.

We'll put a thing up here for you. But yeah, you can join our Discord. The link is in the show notes where we continue these discussions after the live stream over there and throughout the week. But yeah, Hides and Long Grass is there as well, is giving us their kind of insider perception of everything going. Was there anything juicy that hides in long grass said that I missed that we didn't bring up? He was right there where we were.

It's, oh, look, there's Stephen Greer. Oh, look, here's someone. Yeah. And, you know, he is way undercover on this topic. So I'm not even sure which one he is when you're looking at the photos of the room or the videos of the room. I thought, I wish I could know which one was hides in long grass,

but we do not know. Never know. Never know. Never know. It's nowhere and everywhere. Everywhere. I love it. I love it.

Injured cold. Yeah, they're right. Oh, UAP GERB was there who we played from Cliffs from a couple weeks ago. Really digging his content. Yeah, me too. Doing a good job. Go subscribe to that YouTube channel. You'll enjoy it.

Yeah, yeah. It's thoughtful and well-balanced. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. So I guess let's go down the line here. We had Jeffrey Nusitelli, former U.S. Air Force.

And some of the stuff he brought up was from these events that happened in the early 2000s at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, where these huge red rectangles or squares came in from the ocean, apparently. Exactly. You're seen over different sites there at Bandenberg Air Force Base. Near San Barbara, yeah. Yeah, near Santa Barbara, you said? Right. Okay. Yeah, crazy, crazy stuff.

Now, Jeffrey Nusitelli was not witnessed to these red squares, but he was witness to a different UFO later on that occurred. And this red square appeared twice that same night. And he tells the whole story at the UAP hearing. and what happened there. And that all of the records of the testimony on these events were allegedly destroyed eventually he would go on to say, which is crazy. Nusitelli was a good witness, Pat Gallagher says. Yeah, so, Susan, what did you think of Jeffrey Nusateli?

I was kind of rough on him. I said, like, he wasn't an actual witness to UFOs. What is he really going to say here that we hadn't already heard? he has gone public already. But I thought he did a good job. What did you think? I thought he did too. And I also think it turns out to be a good thing to hear from others who aren't in the

mainstream on the topic because, you know, it's almost like urban lore. The same stories get told over and over and over. And then this fellow comes out of nowhere, as did Dylan Borland, in my opinion. And not only is he willing to report what his friends and friends, co-workers experienced at Vandenberg, but then he had his own sighting and told about his own siding at his own home, which I thought was just really interesting. And then once again, we're seeing all these basically whistleblowers are not, Borland was our only really true whistleblower, but all these witnesses come forward at great risk, risk of ridicule Borland's careers ruined,

you know, all this stuff. But here they are under oath, under penalty of perjury, sitting in front of the house representatives doing this. So powerful to me. Powerful to me. Right. And even before we go through the others, I want to say

these were the most well-spoken. Yes. Most eloquent and most decisive witnesses. We have had at one of these UFO hearings. They did not meander. George Knapp. I'm going to call George Knapp out a little. During his dopenny statement, he went off script.

These guys, all of them basically read from their official letters that are put into record at these hearings. They kind of just read from those. And that makes sense. Like that's what you do. Nap was like, uh-uh. No, you guys have it. I'm going off script here, baby. And he did.

I loved it. I loved hearing from him. Yeah. I didn't know what to expect. On George, he was the one I was least in. interested in. I thought, well, he hadn't had a single firsthand experience that he's ever talked about. Maybe there's one we don't know. But I ended up really fascinated by what he had to tell, you know, the House speakers, whatnot, the House representatives. So I don't know what your thoughts were,

but I thought good. Yeah. Well, let's just go. Let's move to George Knapp. We'll get back to Chief Wiggins in just a moment here. George Knapp. I mean, if you don't know, know who George Knapp is, guys. I'm sorry. Time to go home. Yeah. See your homework. Journalist for K-L-A-S out there in Las Vegas. He was the guy who broke the story on

Bob Lazzar in Area 51. Whether you believe it or not, he is the reason we know about that base out there, Groom Lake. Yeah. And, you know, he had a lot to do with kind of exposing Skinwalker Ranch at the very beginning.

He's written two books about it. But yeah, he's an investigative journalist that's been looking into UFOs for like four decades. Right. Crazy. I loved how he started it, Ryan. I don't know if it struck us accord with you. He starts out by saying, this topic's a mess. It needed a good reporter.

It did need a good reporter. I can even imagine back then, which just must have been a hot mess. That's how he got involved. This thing needs a good reporter. It's a good precursor. UFOs are a mess. That's a good way to start any conversation with UFOs for sure. I also love how like several of the congressional members were fanboying out over George Knav.

Even Wiggins, Chief Alexandra Wiggins, one of the other guys tested. He was so calm and collected to watch that, yeah. But he was like, I grew up watching you on TV, Mr. Knapp, you're a hero. And several of the Congress members are like, George Knapp, I've watched you, whole lot. It was hilarious. He was, I will say that. George Knapp was definitely the most popular man at that event. And whether you were in the crowd watching or up in Congress listening, everyone wanted to hear from George Knapp. And I will say this, he brought forward some pretty interesting stuff.

A lot of it had to do with why we were here, whistleblower protection, UAP crash retrieval programs, things that that George Knapp has been looking into for decades at this point. And we will talk about the Russia stuff too, but I want to show a clip from George Knapp about the UAP crash retrieval aspect to all this. Do you mind if I play that quick? Go for it. Cool. All right, guys, bear with me while I find this video.

This was interesting. Here we go. Name, I do want to bring up in this section. though is Robert Bigelow. So looking into the idea of crash retrievals and reverse engineering, while ASAP, that program was active, the DIA's contractor, Robert Bigelow of Las Vegas, made a bold attempt to acquire physical proof of UFO crashes. It's been widely reported and suspected that Lockheed Martin is one of the contractors, the defense contractors, that has held this stuff, stored it away in secrecy, and tried to figure out how it works. works. I have confirmed on the record that Robert Bigelow and a trusted colleague from

ASAP met with and negotiated with senior executives at Lockheed Martin and hammered out a deal wherein Bigelow's company, Bass, would receive a quantity of unusual material that had been stashed away and protected at a facility in California. That material was not made here. There you go. So we have George and up on the record in Congress saying that Bob Bigelowellow, the guy who ostensibly was responsible for things like Ossap and Skinwalker Wrench and all this stuff, that was about to acquire UAP material, transferring it, and it was stopped by members of Lockheed Martin, one of whom he would go on to name later on, but we'll get to that. Yeah.

And it sounds like the national craft might have been being transferred when you go then read about other things that he has written on this topic. Sounds like an actual crap. And then it got nixed at the last minute. And I know from doing other research, not from this hearing, that Bigelow had already constructed a facility at the cost of something like, and don't hold me to this, but I think it was like $43 million, planning to get this thing, whatever it was, or these things, and then got the axe. And then I think, I think it's interesting. There wasn't litigation. So if I had spent $43 million and then got told, ah, never mind, sorry, wouldn't you be doing something to, to, a little bit. Yeah. It's just a little something. It's not like it's, you know, you spend a thousand bucks. You took a chance.

Whatever. No. Yeah. Brush that off and move on. Yeah, come on. Right. Right. So I'd love for the paperwork behind all that to come out. Yeah. Okay. So the big problem with people like, I should say the problem, the issue people have with people like David Grush, Luis Alizondo, these people who have come forward to Congress and said these programs exist, we know some of the people worked on them. Oh, do you? What are their names? I can't tell you. Yeah. Yeah. Understandable in some ways. Frustrating in many other ways. Congress is frustrated too. They're trying. They're trying, but they're having a problem. That was asked of George Knapp at this event, and he named some names. George is talking. George is talking. I put this over on Twitter and on Facebook. These are the

two people George Knapp named at the UAP hearing that were or are members of the legacy UAP programs. If you're watching this on YouTube, you will see the images if you're just listening. To your left is Dr. James Ryder from Lockheed Martin. And to your right is Glenn Gaffney from the CIA. Now, Dr. James Ryder has passed on. So I want to pay some respect in that realm. But CIA member, Glenn Gaffney is still around. I've seen him updating his social media somewhat recently. So the dude's around. And he gives talks. He has different jobs now.

I don't think he works for the CIA anymore. But I do wonder if this James Ryder, Dr. James Ryder, was the person who stopped the transfer to Bob DeGlo of the UAP. If he did work at Lockheed Martin. And maybe that's why George Knapp named him specifically. I do wonder that. What do you? Yeah. What do you think?

Yeah. I think it's highly likely. I also want to stay open to the possibility that it just looks like Lockheed Martin stopped it. Why would Lockheed Martin take that kind of risk, allow Bigelow to spend those kinds of dollars, and put out that kind of effort, and then just say no thanks. I have a funny feeling higher-ups had to have gotten in that mix. It just doesn't quite make sense to me yet. But I would love to be a fly in the inbox of Mr. Glenn Gaffney, CIA last week. I wonder how many podcasters and others, you know, Congress people, reached out to him like, need a chat. Need a chat. Poor guy. Like, again, I've gone into hiding. Here's,

here's the problem, Suzanne, and we do have to keep this in mind. This is George Knapp, a journalist, naming these people internationally in front of an international crowd at a congressional hearing. and we have nobody else confirming these two people have been involved in a UAP legacy program in any way. We can only surmise, we can only speculate. One of them is dead and one of them has moved on from the CIA. There is a possibility that George Knapp is either wrong, is just coming up with these names, or is completely right. Either way, this is going to cause a huge problem for Glenn Gaffney.

He is going to be harassed. He is going to be doxed. He is going to be threatened. And I'm not talking about from the government or journalists. I'm talking about everyday people on Twitter that do those types of things. And you know, Susan Gop's already giving them the stink eye. That too. Nobody wants her stink eye.

Don't you say anything, Gaffney. We know how you get after two chardonnays on a Sunday. Exactly. Exactly. Well, I thought a lot about him this week and what his week must have been like. I do wish he would step out and say a little something. And maybe somebody will eventually capture him for an interview directly on this topic. I think if it doesn't happen, our eyes need to stay there.

Stay on that, you know. If it does happen, we'll listen. We'll see what he says. We'll judge it, whether we think he's being truthful or hedging. But silence to me would scream volumes. It often does. Yeah. Doesn't it? Yeah. We're having several questions in the chat about whether George Knapp and these other witnesses were under oath. They were absolutely under oath, which means they are under penalty of perjury, which means if they lie, they can be prosecuted and fined.

So this, just like all the other government hearings, this is how it's set up. You cannot lie to a congressional entity on any level once you're placed under oath. If you're not placed under oath, you're free to say whatever. There could be consequences of some type. But if you're under oath, the consequences can be quite serious. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Thank you. Thank you for answering that.

I always did wonder, like, how official is that? Like, could they actually be, there you go, guys, there you go. Yeah. You prosecuted. Yeah. Wow. All right. Okay.

The other big thing that George Knapp brought up in this was his time in Russia. I found this so interesting. I'm going to summarize this quick, Suzanne. Don't go. George Knapp said that Russia had over decades run a large UFO investigation program that required all military units to gather reports of UFO sightings. Knapp also recounted a particularly alarming Cold War era incident at a Russian missile base in Ukraine in October 1982,

where a UFO was observed over a launch site, manipulated the launch displays, caused missiles to prepare to fire, nearly triggering a launch toward Western targets. But then the UFO vanished and the missiles spontaneously. shut down. My God, that is crazy. And the reason... Go ahead. Sorry. What's that? No, no, no. I was going to say, and everyone needs to remember that that incident is the source of the treaty or agreement. I don't really know. I think those things have legal meaning. I don't know which one this was.

Between the Russians and the Americans, that we would never launch based on anything that might be a UFO without checking with the other side. And that's the basis of that agreement. Interesting. What do they call that mutual? Mutually assured. Yeah. I think a UFO could count for that, for sure, for sure.

That was interesting. And the reason he knew and kind of about that event was this thread, three, thread 13, thread 9, thread 570. I don't remember what, read three, I think. Something got threaded. We don't know. Yeah.

There was like this Bible thick stack of files that George Knaps smuggled out of Russia, classified documents that were given to him. And the most interesting and hilarious thing about that, Suzanne, is he was asked by, I believe it was Tim Perchette. Yeah. How did you get these out? Like, if they were classified, like someone had to have looked at it. And he was like, oh, they only put classified on the front page.

So I just ripped the front page off of all of them. Nobody asked anything. Yeah, no big deal. He's so vagus, didn't he? He's just a guy's going to get it done, whatever. Don't get in his way. Classified, shmashify. That's that thing off and march out of the country.

It's like, oh, my God. That is. I'll give it to him. He's great. Yeah, for sure, for sure. I love that. I love that. You know, and, you know, so Navajo.

was definitely, I think, kind of the man of the hour for a little while until Mr. Borland spoke. Let's go through Chief Wiggins quick, because I did find his story extremely compelling about these Tic Tacs that he observed him and his crew. Chief Alexandra Wiggins was a U.S. is, excuse me, he's still active duty, which also added another level of credibility to all this. He's still, and risk. Very good point. Very good point. 23 years of Navy service. He testified about a 2023 incident involving UAPs while aboard the USS Jackson.

And he spoke about his doing with all that. Now, there was, they showed the video of the TikTok, not the TikTok we're all thinking of, a different event in 2023 where there were four objects, cited that were allegedly Tick-Tac, all in a formation, all emerging from the water, caught on radar, caught on camera. And Chief Wiggins saw these. He saw them both on radar. He saw them with his actual eyes as well. I have a brief clip from the hearing. Let's go ahead and watch that. I want everybody in the audience to watch his demeanor and watch his facial and body language because I would love to hear in the chat whether they think he's telling the truth.

Okay. Challenge accepted, guys. Let Suzanne and I know in the chat. What do you think when you hear Chief Wiggins? Let's play this video from Chief Wiggins. Here we go. You underscore three points for the task force and the committee. Aviation and maritime safety.

When crews and watchstanders observe objects that maneuver or accelerate in ways that does not match known profiles and do not and do so near our ships and aircraft, that is first and foremost a safety issue. Standardized checklist and training should ensure we capture the best possible sensor data in real time, including IR settings, slant range, estimates, and bearing. and range altitude snapshots and immediate change of chain of custody for any recordings. Reporting without stigma, protection without retribution. Sailors need to know that reporting UAP encounters will not harm their careers. Congress can help by reinforcing witness protection and by directing the relevant office to maintain confidential, destigmatized channels for service members who step forward with data declassification and transparency where possible.

The task force declassification mission is directly relevant here. Where operational security permits releasing metadata preserved sensor excerpts or at least technical summaries would improve public trust and accelerate outside scientific scrutiny. That includes when feasible the time geo reference IR frames and radar parameters needed for independent analysis. To be clear, I am not here to make claims beyond my lane. I am here to provide a first-hand account of what I saw, what our systems recorded, and why it matters for safety, for intelligence, and public confidence.

My request to you is practical. Help us capture, protect, fairly evaluate the evidence, and provide a safe pathway for those in uniform to report it. In closing, I want to thank the committee and the task force for holding this hearing and for placing this discussion in a forum where evidence can be examined carefully and openly.

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could make all the difference. Save up to 40% your first year at LifeLock.com slash special offer. Terms apply. Okay. So, uh, I did not play him recalling the event itself. I wanted to actually show what he thinks Congress should do, what should be implemented. into the military branches in order to make this all efficient, because it is clear from individuals like Nusitelli, Borland, who we speak about in just a minute, that Arrow may not be the best place to go with these incidents. So what do you think about everyone in the chat is saying they totally believe him,

from what I can see. You too. And I would encourage you to go watch him in question and answer, because in question and answer mode, you can get an even clear picture of his demeanor and his facial expression. And I think he's telling the truth. And I would encourage everybody, go watch each of the clips of the witnesses. You might not want to watch all three hours of the entire hearing, but watch the witnesses and then we'll follow them along in time to see, you know, what becomes of it. And his primary messages are so in line with so many other.

whistleblowers. Airspace isn't safe. Let's get it safe. Investigate without retribution. And, you know, or first of all, investigate, right? Start at step one and then leave off the retribution, right? It reminds me at the very end of the hearing. I don't know if anybody was paying attention, but Representative Perry, I don't remember which state he's from. But he said, can somebody tell me why they don't just interview everyone? And I thought light bulbs are going off, aren't they? A silence that means something needs to be looked at. And so this witness is doing the same thing. But if the skies aren't safe and reporting isn't safe, what are we doing? What are we doing? Exactly. What are we doing? Yeah. Now, you brought something, and we don't have to

dive too deep into it because I know neither of us did a ton of research. But something happened after this hearing with Representative Robert Garcia when it comes to aerospace safety, aviation safety. Do you have any of that on hand, Suzanne, or is that something we should wait till next week to talk about? What do you think? You know, he partnered with Glenn Grohman from Wisconsin. Garcia is from California. And they have re-uped or proposed what's called the Safe Aerospace for Americans Act. Okay. Which I think is interesting.

Maybe that's what you're thinking. You may have something else. That's it. Nope. That was it. And what that does, which I'm following along, is makes it a safe space for both civilians and pilots to report the UAP. The Act actually puts the protections in that are missing for these witnesses who are military

or commercial flight folks and will protect them when they come forward. So I thought that's a really interesting thing on the conclusion. I think this hearing, I guess the best way to say it, open some eyes, open some eyes and open some ears and that you're watching some action happen. Now, how far it goes, we'll see. Exactly. Yep. Okay. I want to circle back to the whole reason this hearing ostensibly existed.

And again, the title of it was restoring public. trust through UAP transparency and whistleblower protection. And I had made a comment before the hearing started of, these guys aren't whistleblowers. They're just UAP witnesses. Like, come on, come on. And you pointed it out to me. No, no, no, no, Ryan.

One of these guys is a federal whistleblower. And I was like, huh? Yeah. And then when I went and read his letter and then heard his testimony, I was like, holy shit. Yeah. This guy is an actual whistleblower. There's a reason that they,

added, what was his name, Spielberg? Spielberger, Joe Spielberger here, to make us understand the actual risk that this man in particular, Dylan Borland, was taking, going on the stand. So let's move to Mr. Borland, I think. I think this was the highlight for many people, myself included, of this event. Talk about body language. This guy seemed petrified. And I'm not talking being in front of a crowd.

like stage fright. I'm talking what he was saying he feared reprisal, retribution, some of which he had already endured and probably a hell of a lot more now after this. Brief little stuff here.

Borland shared his own UAP encounter at Langley Air Force Base in 2012 describing a large triangular craft with strange electromagnetic effects, which disrupted his phone. And he said he said could actually like smell in electricity of some sort in the air as this thing was going over. Like he could feel it in his like bones and muscles, which was so weird.

So, so so weird. But that wasn't it. He also talked about the legacy program, which I found fascinating. I'm going to play the clip. And then I really want to hear your thoughts on Borland because I remember you and I were just bouncing back and forth during this testimony. I wanted to hug the guy. I was like, and this is another one. to watch his facial expression and his body language, everybody.

Okay. Mission accepted. Here we go, guys. Dylan Borland at the UAP hearing. 2012, my team was on standby for weather, and I returned to my barracks on base, and at approximately 0.130, I saw an approximately 100-foot equilateral triangle

take off from near the NASA hangar on the base. The craft interfere with my telephone did not have any sound, and the material it was made of appeared fluid or dynamic. I was under this triangular craft for a few minutes, and then it rapidly ascended to commercial jet level in seconds displaying zero kinetic disturbance sound

or wind displacement. And as I began walking towards the light, towards the flight line and the track, the light then flies across the base, across the flight line, and as it flies to me, a triangle manifests around the light. I can't tell you if it's active camouflage. I can't tell you if it appeared around the light, but I can tell you that it was a white light,

and then it was a triangle. It stopped about 100 feet in front of me and approximately 100 feet above me. My telephone got extremely hot, completely froze, dead. I remember how thick it was. It was between one to two stories thick, equilateral triangle. I could never see the top of it, and the edges were 90 degrees.

I'm a federal whistleblower, having testified to both the ICIG and air, with direct firsthand knowledge of an experience with craft and technologies that are not ours and are reportedly operating without congressional oversight Because of my direct knowledge of the reality of certain legacy UAP programs my professional career was deliberately obstructed and I have endured Endured sustained reprisals from government agencies for over a decade From 2011 and 2013 I was stationed at Langley Air Force Base Virginia conducting 24-hour operations via manned and unmanned aerial vehicles for Special Operations Forces and the Global War on Terror.

During the summer of 2012, my team was on standby for weather and I returned to my barracks on base and at approximately 0.130, I saw an approximately 100-foot equal lateral triangle take off from near the NASA hangar on the base. The craft interfere with my telephone did not have any sound and the material it was made of appeared fluid or dynamic. I was under this triangular craft for a few minutes and then it rapidly, it rapidly, and it was rapidly ascended to commercial jet level in seconds displaying zero kinetic disturbance sound or wind displacement. Is this repeating? I just want to make sure.

Oh, I'm not sure it's repeating. Okay, I'm going to keep playing it then. Some years after that experience, I was further exposed to classified information from the UAP legacy crash retrieval program through a sensitive position I held within a special access program. During this time, intelligence officers approached me and fear for their own careers, citing misconduct within these programs and similar retaliation that I was already enduring at this time. These issues include medical malpractice committed by Veterans Affairs staff, denial of work I performed while enlisted in the United States Air Force, forge a manipulated employment documents, workplace harassment, including colleagues being directed to not speak with me, manipulation of my security clearance by certain agencies blocking, delaying,

and ultimately removing my ability to be employed within the IC. The retaliation I faced and the retaliation against individuals I know who worked in these programs is what convinced me in March 2023 to become a whistleblower. I came forward out of concern for people's lives and to ensure I did everything I could to let our elected representatives know the truth about what is really happening in the executive branch. At the end of March 2020, I agree to meet with Arrow following the suggestion of other federal officials believing it was what our nation required of me. I had reservations with Arrow due to assessments they were reporting publicly at the time as a misrepresentation of the truth. Because of these concerns, I did not share sources and methods information in order to protect current and formal federal personnel who had firsthand exposure to technologies of unknown origin. I did not want anyone to face further retaliation beyond what they had already endured. And unfortunately, a staff member ended up getting in some trouble because of that.

After David Grush testified under oath in the summer of 2023 and provided historic disclosure, I was then asked to go to the ICIG and did so in August 2020. It was very clear early on during my intake interview, which was video recorded under oath, that the objective was to solely assess how much I know and not move forward with an investigation with new information I provided them. The aftermath of that IG complaint still troubles me to this day. Since my ICIG complaint, I've been prevented from assuming prior employment and can confirm I'm still blacklisted from certain agencies within the intelligence community.

In addition, multiple agencies attempted fishing attacks to assess what I had divulged to the Inspector General, including being asked to disclose details of my ICIG complaint during a CI polygraph or a position unrelated to UFOUAP matters as recently as November 2024. As I sit before you today, I and many other whistleblowers have no job prospects, no foreseeable professional future in a nation every single one of us came forward to defend. Numerous individuals have come forward in various ways to reveal the truth of the UAP reality as patriots and defenders of our nation, yet many feel discarded, isolated, hopeless, separated from the country they serve. Efforts to rectify this situation for all whistleblowers

have been difficult and troubling, and to my fellow whistleblowers and officials who know this information, I offer you my apology, something that I I have never gotten, and I'm giving it to you. I swore an oath to the Constitution of the United States, a note that demands truth and transparency for our Democratic Republic to function. Each day these truths remain hidden from our citizens, humanity drifts further

from the principles our nation was founded to uphold. Each day, victims of crimes committed by agencies and companies maintaining the secrecy or denied justice is another day our Constitution is shredded. In 2023, Patriots provided this committee and the executive branch with undeniable proof of the UAP reality, and I commend your continued commitment. The future of humanity is one which we either travel to the stars or regress to the Stone Age with this technology.

My career has been to deliver critical information to decision makers. Your role as elected by your representatives is to act on it. The time to act is now. And I believe he got like a rousing ovation right after that too. He did. My heart comes out to him. He has lost literally everything. And unlike other whistleblowers who were out on social media two or three weeks ago saying to the unknown whistleblowers don't come forward, he has lived through his nightmare and is inviting others to join him. And the apology that he gives back to them, just heartbreaking to me. But if you watch the hearing, through a little farther when they start into question mode, these congressional representatives apologize to him. And you could cut the emotion in the room. And I hope that that was as valuable to him as it appeared to be. I hope it gave him some solace and comfort. But here's a really good example

of someone who knows too much in the eyes of the great governmental entity. And they did everything at their fingertips to shut him down. Yeah, absolutely. I love seeing Corbell, too. I think he must be working with Corbell, because if you're watching Corbell, as Mr. Borland is speaking, Corbell is nodding almost in advance.

He knows this story inside and out. Now, that may be out there. Maybe the chat can Google quickly to see if Corbell has prepared this witness, but I think that they are related. Well, that's a very good thing to kind of de-go. sec here for a moment. Now, you can't see him in this still image right here, but to Corbell's right off camera is Matthew Brown. Right. The quote unquote immaculate constellation whistleblower

was in the audience at this event, having been talked about in the shadows at the last UAP hearing. So guys, this stuff is moving quick. Matthew Braun's now out there. He's showing up to the hearing. David Grush, we need to mention, was at this hearing as a staff member to Eric Berlinson, which is insane. Did anybody have that on their bingo card either? I did not. We had some questions about Ms. Grasch in the chat when we were starting this video. There was an incident with Mr. Grush just ahead of going into a skiff ahead of this hearing. And no one knows the details yet of exactly what happened to him, except that Representative Luna said in an interview, and I don't

remember who was interviewing her, I'm so sorry, but said that weapons were brandished at Mr. Grush. Now, at Grush, right. Now, chitter-chatter behind the scenes is that it could be related to the SCIF, and that would be big, but it could also be just random, whatever it was, which, of course, would be a big deal, too, but just not related to the topic. So, why would anyone pull a firearm on David Grush if it's not UAP? I mean, that's kind of a dumb question. Like, people pull guns every day and kill people. It could just be random violence or potential violence, but, you know, yeah, yeah. Interesting. All right, but. Mr. Borland, he's one to watch. Yeah. Jamie wants to know, does he need a girlfriend? I saw that, Jamie.

You like the sensitive types, Jamie. In Google. I love it. I love it. A lot of people are saying, too, Terrence Willis in the chat, saying, these hearings were covered on mainstream news. They were. They, yeah. I mean, they typically are, but I think this one to a larger extent for two reasons. It was by far, in my opinion, the best. most credible hearing we've had so far.

And also, obviously, the next thing we're going to be talking about, the UFO video that was shown during it. That was a big deal, too. But, yeah, I guess we don't really need to talk too much about Joe Spielberger. He was our last witness. Again, he was there to kind of paint the picture for us and make the information accessible to the everyday person on what a whistleblower is, the protections,

the lack of declassification on certain things and the struggles that whistleblowers go through and why it is such a big risk for them to come forward and how we can change that. Right. There are things that we can do and we can apply pressure to our politicians to do something, you know, to support Representative Garcia and Glenn Grohman, I keep forgetting his name, in their new act or support the UAPDA, do something to make this better. And of course, all of it involves letting up on classification. Yes, absolutely.

The last thing that Joe Spielberger brought up that was interesting is this, what do they call that? It's like a paradox, I guess, where whistleblowers often the only people they can report to this information to are the very people that they're blowing the whistle on. So you're in this like feedback loop.

Reliable loop. It's very unreliable loop. Yeah. It's like our good buddy Andy over at that UFO podcast made the analogy of like it's like you know your boss at work did something really wrong. But your boss at work is the one you report to or your boss at work is also HR.

So you know, That's the person you go to to complain about your boss. So, yeah, it's hard. It's hard. And that's why, you know, when it comes to a quote unquote official disclosure, everyone warned us it's going to be long. It's going to be messy. It's going to be legal.

And it's going to be a mess as George Naps. It is. And I think we need to rethink the phrase, you know, looking for disclosure. Uh-oh. We lost Houston. Oh, no. Oh, you're back. You're back. You're back. Looking for disclosure, I think, is where we're lost. Looking for disclosure, I think, is a dangerous phrase. I think we need to start thinking in terms of looking for an admission. I think, as George Knapp said in this hearing, so much better than I could. That cat's out of the bag. The secret's out. You know, there's tons of evidence out there. The government is highly unreliable in how they address it and what they say about it.

and what their actions are in relation to it. So we don't really need the government to do disclosure. We need the government to admit. And so maybe if we can change how we're thinking about this, we can pull our expectations in line, and we can also deal with some of the naysayers of, you know, government's never going to disclose, which could well be true, could well be true.

But at some point, there's going to be enough evidence stacked up in the right place, at the right time that admission is going to have to come. Yeah, it's going to be forced. It ain't going to be because they want to. Oh, no. Yeah, it's like, what do you call those? A volatile witness.

Is that what they're called? A hostile witness. Hostile witness, volatile. I like that better. Well, hostile witnesses can, in fact, be quite volatile. They can be volatile. I'm sure you've done that in the courtroom. Many of those.

Yep, yep, you've got it. experience on that. Before we move on, Suzanne, I want to thank Kurt Savage for the 10-pound super chat. Thank you so much. Thanks for all the fun he says. And James Craig coming in, clutch, as always, $10 super chat for Anomicon. Thank you so much, James. You guys are the best. Thank you. Every penny goes to supporting Anomicon or free virtual conference coming to you guys this upcoming Saturday right here on the YouTube channel. I'm so ready. I am ready. I am ready. We are good to go. These speakers. speakers are incredible. Oh, I put the speaker lineup, guys, the schedule up on social media,

and it's on the website, Anamicon website. We don't have exact times of when everyone's talks will be, because they're all different lengths. We're starting at 11 a.m. Eastern Standard time, and then you can look at the list on the homepage ofanomicon.com. We have the list in a descending order. So ascending order, descending. Number one is my good. The Spooky Ladies Over there in Nova Scotia, Amy, Kim, and Chelsea. So look at that. They're going first.

Our last speakers of the event are Michael Ian Black, Sean Donnelly, and Dan St. Germain. So yeah, that's the order it goes in. The girls first, the guys last. 20-year-old and the whole thing. Yeah, exactly. So much in between.

So much in between. Okay. So the other big thing to come out of this hearing, Suzanne, that we're going to kind of end with tonight is the Hellfire Missile UFO video. It has been going all over mainstream media. My good buddy,

like he's my friend, my good Syracusian, I guess I'll call him, Syracuse native, Dave Muir, who does ABC World News. He was like our local news anchor. He actually did a huge story on my late mother

back when she had her organ transplant some like almost 30 years ago, this point. He was the newscaster back in our hometown back then, and now he's the world news guy on ABC. It's crazy. So to see him talking about this UFO video, we're about to show you guys, on the world news was just amazing. So this video, it was brought forward by Eric Berlinson, who is a member of the Federal Secrets Task Force, was kind of a big part of putting all this together with Representative Luna, Perchette, Jared Moskowitz in the past as well. But yes, Eric Berlinson brought this video forward.

It was taken by an MQ Reaper drone in October of 2024 off the coast of Yemen. So I think what I'll do is I'm going to play the video again really quick. And then we're going to go through some of the analysis. But I want to know what you think before we get to the official analysis. None of it's official. We don't have enough data to know at all what this thing is. But some people seem to have some pretty good ideas, and they range drastically.

Wild. Wildly. So I'm going to go ahead and play it one more time for you guys. Here's the full unfiltered video of the Hellfire missile UFO. And when we say that, we mean that a missile was shot at the UFO. So go ahead and give this a watch. We're in six. Okay.

Tonight, new never-before-seen video off the coast of Yemen, showing a U.S. MQ-9 Reaper drone, tracking a glowing orb as it flies over the water. Now, watch closely as a different U.S. drone drops a hellfire missile on that fast-moving orb. The missile appearing to bounce off the object, doing very little damage. The orb then zipping away unfazed.

The video from October 2024, shown during a congressional hearing today, on unexplained anomalous phenomena. That's the official name for UFOs. Do you solemnly swear? Several service members giving their own eyewitness accounts and reacting to that new video. Does this video scare you guys?

Yes or no? Yes. Wiggins? Yes. Oh, man. That last moment of all of them saying yes, gave me chills. Right.

I do think the point of her question was when you get these experiments, experienced people whose job it is to know and do this stuff, telling the American public under oath under penalty or perjury, that this scares them, we need to be paying attention. Government officials, military officials need to be paying attention. Absolutely. Point well taken.

What do you think it is? I'm just going to rip the Band-Aid off. I'm so torn. Explain, demystify this. It's an intergalactic craft, right? Right, right. You know, it goes from, oh, this is just a balloon to this is the UFO craft that took a hit and just kept going. I do think, I know we're going to talk a little bit about ProPixel. They're on Twitter. Highly recommend everybody give them a follow and thoughtfully and slowly absorb the data. They are video analyst.

Problem number one with the video was that someone leaked it to Burleson, which, makes me think it came straight from a military person. Who knows, though, could also just be bunk, you know, no way to know. But not only was it leaked, but the metadata was scrubbed. And with the metadata scrub from the video, it makes any truly in-depth analysis like ProPixel would do very, very hard. But that doesn't mean they don't have comments, as do others about what it might be. For me, I think it is likely anomalous. And I say that because when the missile hits, you see three little objects fall out.

You see this would be balloon, not deflate, not fall, things that balloons would do. You see it continuing on minus these three little things. And these three little things are moving in tandem and continue on. So I'm not willing yet to say it's a balloon. It might well be, and we don't know enough. As I was telling you before we went on air, I had my own experience this last week with a balloon and in a way that was quite, quite interesting.

So I mentioned that only to let you know, I do think there are scenarios when the average person on the average street corner is going to see something that looks wild, but might have a prosaic explanation. I'm not there yet for this. So I guess the jury's still out for me. Okay. What about you?

What are you thinking? I keep changing my mind. No. And like I spent the whole day, I mean, I shouldn't say the whole day, but like a lot of time going through the different analysis being done by different types of quote unquote experts. I did the same thing. You're not alone. Video analysts. Even an Air Force pilot.

So, and an ammunition's expert that Andy had over on that UFO podcast. We're going to play a clip from that as well. So what I thought I would do is let's go person by person and get their different analysis and see if this helps us at all or just makes it even more difficult. Keeping in mind this overall idea, as you mentioned, this was sent anonymously to a Congress member. We have no metadata. We don't know the source, the chain of custody. Nothing. So we're left with just speculation.

Everyone is right now at this point. Exactly. And even at the conclusion of what we go through today here on the live stream, we're going to be in that same place when we end. So everybody was. Yes, exactly, exactly. So let's go to the first person, and that is Ryan Bodenheimer, a former F-16 Thunderbird pilot, F-15 combat fighter pilot,

a commercial airline pilot. Now, what he did in his video here on YouTube, he's under, I believe it's Max Air Force Air Force. The channel, just type in Ryan, Vodenheimer on YouTube. His channel will show up. And you guys can watch the full video. He does go kind of analyze the video itself. But what I'm going to show of his actually are theories on what that object might be and the technology being represented in terms of how the missile comes in, its impact with this object, what happens after. I found his theories more interesting than the actual analysis.

and then we'll get deeper into actual analysis of what we can be looking at. So here is Ryan Bodenheimer, former Air Force pilot, talking about the Hellfire Missile UFO video. All right. Here we go. Max Afterburner is the name of his YouTube channel, guys. Go check it out. Here we go.

Technical scenarios, what that UAP could have been. So we don't know exactly what it was, but I want to game out these three scenarios that are based evidence. Each one could explain why the hellfire bounced off and each one's essentially crazier than the next. So let's strap in. So in this hypothesis, the UAP is extraterrestrial and it's rocking tech that we can't touch. The shield absorbs or redirects the hellfire's kinetic energy, maybe even converts it to fuel the UAP. Can you imagine that? It absorbs that thousand mile per hour energy from the hellfire and it's like, oh, thank you. My batteries are recharged. I feel like I just had a spot a.

Thank you, Hellfire. The reason why it fits is that there's no damage. There's essentially no debris. Again, looks like just some heat signature coming off of the UAP. So alien tech or something from out of this world might be able to do that. And here's why it's terrifying. If E.T's got shields that make Chuck Norris jealous, we're essentially playing in the wrong leak.

They've changed the entire game. They're playing 4D chess, so they're using some sort of plasma weaponry or plasma shields. While we're just sitting back using these Stone Age missiles that use. rocket propulsion. Things have completely changed if this is from another world. Now let's talk about scenario two, which would be advanced human tech. This is our tech in this case, a DARPA black project so classified that even Congress is completely clueless. Picture a drone with a skin like Tony Stark's Ironman suit. Tanking missile strikes like it's just another day in Tony Stark's life. The hellfire's energy gets scattered by a metamaterial lattice we haven't declassified. Here's why it fits.

The U.S. has a history of secret projects. Think the SR-71 Blackbird. It's unveiled decades later, and here's why it's terrifying. If the Pentagon's hiding tech that outdoes Stark's armor, what else do they have? What else could they have that they're not telling us about? But there could be a good reason why they're not telling us, and that could be to keep it away from places like Russia and China. If they completely expose this technology, now Russia and China know it's there, and it's essentially a UAP extraterrestrial technology arms race. Let's talk about scenario three, which would be a non-physical entity, and this is the essential wildcard of the whole video.

If the UAP isn't a physical object, what if it's a projection, a hologram, or some sort of interdimensional glitch? The hellfire kind of passes through because there's essentially nothing to hit. In the video, it does look like it hits something a little bit, but let's say it completely passed through and there's nothing to hit. That would be just like an image. It would be like Neo stopping bolts in the matrix with a flick of his wrist. No big deal, but witnesses like Wiggins saw no propulsion signatures and the Vandenberg UAP vanished instantly. So here's why it fits. It explains the missile's failure and the UAP's impossible move.

It's terrifying because it means you could be dealing with something that could rewrite reality itself. Maybe it's here sometimes and then decides not to be here when a hellfire is shot at it. There's just so many unknowns that it definitely makes this a wild card. So each of these scenarios raises bigger questions and answers. Is it alien tech, secret human projects, or something not even physical? One thing's definitely clear to me, though. Whoever makes the Hellfire missile is now sitting back going, what the f***? Ambition comes in all shapes and sizes.

At First Citizens Bank, we roll with your goals because we're built for what you're building. Fit for your ambition for Citizens Bank. analysis on the possibilities, right? Yeah, I thought that'd be a fun way to start it. Like, let's go right towards like either top secret tech, alien tech, or something far beyond anything we could ever manage. Which means that the number four option was what the hell went wrong with a hellfire missile, right? Right, right. Which, you know, something could have gone wrong with a missile.

I think that's even brought up in one of these analysis. I want to start with an analysis. A lot of people in the chat are talking about. about the three quote-unquote objects that seem to show up after the impact was made and everything. So let's go to the first one. This was by ProPixel Video Analysis on Twitter, as you mentioned. I'm going to play that one and get his thoughts on this. Now, the videos are spliced together.

One was right after the event when he did the initial analysis. And then one was the following day, I believe. That's right. Yeah, I think I spliced them together. I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure I did. There might be like a white flash in between the days that he did the analysis. But yeah, pretty compelling stuff.

So let's go ahead and watch that one and get our first kind of initial analysis of the Hellfire video itself. Let's go. Let's go ProPixel. So is this a balloon or not? I really don't think it is. And all we have to do is look at the kinetic picture, right? The kinetic energy involved at the exchange that happens between the Hellfire missile. the object itself. When this thing hits, if this was a balloon, balloons have very little mass,

right? They are buoyant. So they just don't weigh that much because they can only weigh as much as the air that it would, of the space of the air that it would occupy. So that being said, if this was a balloon, the Hellfire missile would most likely just pass right through it. It would pop or rip it open. And there would be very little deflection of the Hellfire, just because you're not dealing with enough mass to really change the direction of the missile. Not as fast as this happens, right? It's almost instantaneously. It is instantaneously.

And then when you look at the object, when it takes the hit from the hellfire, it's, it's, that hellfire, all the energy in it is transferring into the object and it really shifts it hard. In fact, it shifts it so hard over that the camera system loses lock on it. So bam, it is transferring so much energy to cause that much motion in such a short period of time. It's like two frames. One, two. One, two. So it's really, really taken the hit. And it's holding its structure. So, you know, if it's a lighter than air object that's buoyant, I don't know what the heck it could be made of, that would be able to take a hit from a hellfire. coming in at that speed, still maintain its shape as it gets hit with this much lateral movement, right?

I mean, if it was a balloon or anything that was just not a pretty rigid structure, it would just fold in on itself, right? Especially because it's moving through the air in this direction, and it gets pushed harder into the air in that direction by the energy transfer from the hellfire rocket. or a missile, right? There is something truly unique and misunderstood for me as to what the properties are of the object. All I can really say is that it was, it was certainly, it had a contain, it contained these three orbs because they got knocked out of it. And then they start flying on their own. So is it a balloon? I'm going to say, no. There's no way a balloon is

going to be able to deflect the hellfire like that. There's no way a balloon is going to be able to deflect the hellfire like that. There's no way a balloon is going to be able to itself move at the speed it does when the hellfire hits it. So that kinetic transfer of energy is significant and it stayed together. All right. So this is a rigid object. After the hit, it loses its rigidity, it seems like. And you could see it as it just, you know, kind of tumbles and flaps around. But it just got hit by a Hellfire missile. So without knowing the properties of what the things actually made of, it's hard to say. Zoomed in a little bit. I did a little bit work on the color, so we see some contrast. I did no AI to this. This is the pure video that was published today. Here comes the Hellfire.

Right. And you can see it hits. It impacts about right here. It looks like. It's a little off center, right about here. There's the impact. What do you see missing, though? There's no flash. There should be an energetic event. vent, there should be heat, lots of heat. You should see this. You should see it. There should be an explosion. This hellfire did not detonate. It actually passes through the object and goes off to the side here, right? That passes through and rips open whatever this is. And I'm going to call this a carrier now, because when it rips it open, you can actually see it's ripped here and these Orbs emerge out of the tear come right out of that where it's torn open. This one was blown out from over here. These two you can see emerging from it. And then what's really interesting is watch the orbs. They lock in. They go from inside to outside. Boom. Look at that lock in.

That is so weird. Boom. Triangle formation. They're flying on their own. There's some other pieces here. Don't know what this is. This could be, don't know. I don't want to suppose what it is. Maybe it's, it could be like an energy emission. It could just be parts of the actual egg here or carrier.

But wow, this is something different. So whatever the object is, the hellfire needed something hard to detonate. It just went right through it. So that's telling me this is a soft object. It hits, changes direction, actually is energetic enough where it really pushes the object hard to the side. And during that, whatever was inside of it gets ejected. And they are very clearly operating, boom, on their own. Wow.

Hmm. That's different. That's definitely different. Definitely different. That's a good way. No kidding. I love looking at the attack on his system. When you look at the background, he is working the problem.

He is. A lot to break down. I think kind of the big one here is his questioning of the impact and the missile not exploding. There are some arguments to that that we will get into. Same for the objects that allegedly came off of the object or came out of the object. or came out of the object. And as he says, locked in and followed. There are some arguments to that that I do want to bring up.

I think it's very important, Suzanne, that we see the counterpoints to some of the analysis that ProPixel did, which is fantastic. I don't want to take anything away from this because he's no more right or wrong than people who may disagree with him. You know, even in the chat. I see some of you guys think it's anomalous. Some definitely say it's a balloon.

I don't know where I stand. quite yet. A big reason the object may not have, the missile may not have detonated is because the object was too light and too soft. The impact was not enough. Therefore, the missile did not actually go off. Makes sense.

Who knows? Who knows? The objects, the orbs, as he calls them, could be a payload from within the balloon, whatever the object is or isn't. But let's get the counterpoint. How does that sound? Absolutely.

All right. Let's go to our favorite skeptic out there in the world, guys. You love him. You know you do. He is your favorite because he has a British accent. Oh, I wonder who that is. Let's hear from Mick West because he had some thoughts to you on this. And I will say some of the stuff he says is convincing.

But I want to know what you think, Suzanne. So let's watch this. It really seemed that amazing to me. but I think a lot of people kind of misunderstand what's going on. Now, the collision has been described as it being invulnerable to the missile or the missile being split by the object. I don't think that's what's happening at all. This is the missile coming in here.

It's quite smoothly kind of comes in and like bashes through the object. The object kind of like takes damage and falls to pieces and then this bit starts tumbling and maybe changing shape and these bits are kind of like falling along behind it. It seems like a missile worked and it kind of shot the thing out of the air. No explosion. Missiles don't always have explosions. There's a type of missile called the Catana Hellfire, the Hellfire Catana, which looks a bit like this.

It's a missile with big blades on the side and they use it for assassinations when they want to minimize collateral damage. Here's some hopefully bad guy who was taken out by this missile and very little collateral damage, but he of course was killed. So, you know, it doesn't mean just because there's no explosion, it doesn't mean that it didn't work, and it does indeed appear to have kind of taken out this object. So what's actually going on here? I think what we're seeing is something that isn't actually moving that fast. And I think the reason it looks like it's moving fast is the GoFast illusion, which is a parallax illusion. And if you remember back in the original GoFast video, which you can kind of see down here,

the object looks like is zipping over the surface of the ocean. But what's actually happening is the object is here in the middle, halfway between the drone, which is up here, and the ocean which is down here. Because the drone itself with the camera is moving along this path, the object isn't really moving very much. It looks like the object is zipping over the surface of the ocean. I think we've got the exact same thing going on here,

and we can kind of tell that from the numbers. Now, this, the... This video doesn't really have very much in the way of information because it's all kind of cut off at the top and the sides. But we do have a few things. Down here in the corner we've got these numbers and we can see them kind of bouncing around a little bit. But I think what we're looking at here, if we go further on, we'll see these numbers go to like 5.44 nautical miles, 3.6 nautical miles 4. I think what we're seeing here, this is the slant range, which is the range from the distance from you to the object diagonally just in a straight line. And then the horizontal range, which is 3.65, so that's the distance kind of along the ground between where you are and where the object is.

And those two things, you'll notice when we go back to where the collision actually happened back here and see what happens to those numbers. Right now, they're at 3.4 and 2.7. And if you go to where the collision actually happened, we can see they're going to go from here. We have 3.1, 2.4. they're going to go to boom 6.1 and 4.6. Now what's actually happened there is that this laser designator that is used to guide the missile to the target is also doing a range finding.

So it is telling you how far away the target is. Now, the target has been knocked out of the reticle here, so it's not tracking the target anymore. So it switches from tracking the target, giving you the distance to the target to giving you the distance to the ocean. and you see it goes from 3.1 to 6.1 and 2.4 to 4.6. So basically it's doubled, which means that this object is not down by the surface of the ocean,

which would be six nautical miles away. It's just halfway to the surface of the ocean, which is almost exactly the same as the situation we had with GoFAS. We had this object that was going to be. kind of halfway to the surface of the ocean, and this very compelling illusion of parallax from the motion of the drone itself. So the drone that's taking this video, it's an MQ9 Reaper drone. They've got top speed of 300 miles per hour, a cruise speed of around 200 miles an hour, so maybe it's going 200, maybe 250, but it's very, very fast. And so if there's something in the

middle isn't really moving very much, then it's going to look like it's moving very fast over the surface of the ocean. Actually, the best explanation, which isn't very satisfying, of course is that this might just be a balloon. This could be something like possibly just a target balloon. It could be a test of the missile's air to wear capability. Or it could be something like a balloon being used by the Hootis, the Yemen rebels who are being, you know, fighting with the Americans essentially in Yemen. And it could be that they're using it for something like a decoy or something like that. And so it got shot down. Or maybe it's a spy balloon. So there's no need to jump to explanations like aliens or advanced technology when something like a balloon, even though it's an

unsatisfactory explanation, would actually fit what we see right here. All right. There is Mr. West's explanation. Now, parallax is a big thing here, and we do have to keep that in mind. That could explain a lot of things, that the object actually, when that missile did hit it, It did stop. It didn't keep going, as we've been told. And the only thing actually moving that fast is the Reaper drone above, which is capturing what we're seeing. Same with those three objects, Suzanne.

Could they all have just stopped at the surface of the ocean? And the camera keeps moving. And it makes it look like those objects are following that object. Again, like I'm explaining this like I'm 10 years because that's how I see these things because I don't math well. I don't do analysis well. But what do you think of McWest's explanation and or theories? I think we have to take his math on the distance between the drone and the object and the

ocean as something of significance. And I don't know, as I promise at the beginning of this section of the show, we're going to end up in the same boat at the season. end of it we start in. Who knows what this thing is? This is one of those times when having the metadata might answer those questions. But clearly, the numbers on the right side of the screen means something. Ryan, was this, like was somebody filming, like with a camera to a military craft screen? Or is this straight off of a screen? I haven't seen anybody talk about that. We don't know. We simply don't know.

Everything was sent to Burlington anonymously with absolutely no other information. All we apparently know is that it was taken in Yemen off the coast of Yemen in 2024, I believe it was. Yeah. And that it was taken from an M9 Reaper drone. Now, I don't know if what we're, because that happened. A lot of the times these quote unquote people who leak the VIII, videos, they'll take a video of the video because if they actually leak the video, they can go to jail. But if they're leaking a video of the video, the repercussions might be less in terms of something

like that. I don't know. Because it's not actually coming from the system that it was captured on. Right. And it would be much easier to wipe metadata on a cell phone than... Good point. Good point. You know. I didn't even think about that. Yep. And then of course, conveniently, the numbers that could actually help us with a lot of this. are cut off. Oh my God. It makes me feel like someone is messing with Berlinson, not in terms of like,

but like I'm just going to give them a little bit and see what happens after this. Yeah, we'll take it. Yeah, we've just spent 20 freaking minutes on them. Right. Well, and Burleson's comment at the time it was shown in the hearing was right after, I'm not going to say anything about this, I'm going to let the internet decide.

Well, that's not helpful. The internet is had a 432 different things. And now everybody on the internet is a hellfire missile expert and a balloon expert. Like, okay, stop. Yeah. I love how Stephen Colbert. Substance to come forward. Right.

Stephen Colbert actually talked about this in his opening monologue. And he showed the clip where Berlinson said, you know, I don't have much information, but I'll let the internet. And even Colbert's like, yeah, dude, the smartest thing to do is let the, the internet make the ultimate decision because they've always been so right on. They're right on. So democratic about these things. Yeah, but luckily everybody is in fact an expert. So there we go.

That's, I want to play one more clip because expert is a good word. Andy McGarling at that UFO podcast. Someone reached out to him on his discord. And it turns out that this person is an ammunition's extra. Someone who is dealt with hellfire missiles. someone who was dealt with how these things work and whatnot. And they had some thoughts on this. So I kind of want to end with that video and this story with that video.

So again, I want to thank everyone, McWest, ProPixel, maximum afterburner, and also Andy for letting us play these clips tonight. Involuntarily, I guess, would be a way to put it. But shout out to all of that. Absolutely. Go subscribe to all those channels. But yeah, let's go ahead and play this clip from Andy's show where he talked to a ammunition's expert because I thought what they had to say was pretty interesting as well. So last video, guys, I promise.

All right. Where is it? Here we go. Crack, I don't let us know a little bit about you as much as you can. Basically, my background is I was an ammunition tech. in the British Army towards the front end of last decade. Ammunition technicians are basically the Army's experts on all things explosive. So that's from your smallest two to caribble round to the largest of guided missiles. We have to basically extensively study the Joint Service publications,

which are like the technical documents on every single bit of ammunition within land service. So I've got quite an extensive bit of knowledge. It's a very hard cost of pass, really high failure rate. Yeah, we are the subject about your experts, basically, on explosives. It wasn't until I started looking more clearly, and especially after the mention of Hellfire, which is a weapon system I've been extensively trained in. I started to look in a bit further detail.

And for me, that's just when the cracks started to really show. Once kind of my own personal hype had died down, and I could look at it a bit more objectively. I just realized, long story short, in my opinion, it is a test firing of the Hellfire Romeo, which is the American version used on the MQ9 Reaper. It is a primarily air-to-ground missile. However, it can still travel at Mach 1.3, so supersonic speeds,

and it can also damage, it can attack air targets, aerial targets. So in my opinion, I think this is what they were testing. They were seeing the aerial capability of the hellfire. Okay, so on the video, you've got Eric Burleson explains, you've got one drone looking down at the object. We're assuming looking down at the object. For me, it looks like you've got the object in the middle.

Tick-Tac-y-Look-y-looking. He doesn't say Tic-Tac. He says orb or an object. like that. I think his exact words are, I want to queue up a video I've been given. It's of an orb or an object off the coast of Yemen. That's what he says. He mentions that a missile will then come in, out of the side view of the video, but you don't see from another drone, but you do see the missile, and then he kind of says, well, we'll let you see what happens from there. So as that comes in, what it looks like initially to myself, and I'm just, again, my take was this thing gets hit,

the missile goes off. I wasn't really paying attention to the missile. I just then see this thing not explode, no big explosion you would expect. Because we've seen lots of these videos or types of videos from the Russia-Ukraine situation recently. And you always see an explosion normally. And then, you know, the target's no longer there,

odd in pieces. What looks like it happens here as the object manages to keep travelling, albeit with some bits breaking off of it. the angle then changes to a wider shot of what looks like the object still which appears to travel at speed over the water so can you talk us through maybe why you think the object is either stationary or going really slow and then what happens when the actual missile

appears to hit it or not yeah so I mean to start off with I think it was stationary or at least moving very slowly i with the wind more than likely stationary because why does it look like that then So actually, according to the video, when you first view it, it doesn't look, it looks like the object is moving. But what I did was I looked at the, basically, the turret slew, which there's a top compass rose on the video. And it gives you an angle of which way the turret's looking in degrees. On a very small part in the bottom right of the video, it also gives the range to target. And then using maths, you can figure out the speed, the trajectory.

and basically what I got was, which I've shared the maths in the Discord as well, if anyone wants to check it out, is it was travelling around 212 knots, which is essentially the cruise speed of the MQ9 Reaper drone. So it's parallax. The object has to basically be stationary because all the movement you are seeing is completely from the turret slew,

the turret turning and rotating, as the Reaper flies in its pattern. I'm not a debunker. This is just, it happens to be one thing I actually have some knowledge about. I was very eager to put my opinions across when people were basically saying incorrect facts about the missile system.

All right. So we have vote number two for parallax. Interesting. Saying that the object was stationary, which to me, unfortunately, Suzanne, kind of sounds like a balloon. Like a balloon, doesn't it?

Spy balloon. It could be a balloon that they put up just to test the missile, even. Or it was a balloon of some sort from Yemen, or the Houthis, I should say, and the U.S. taking it down and getting footage of it. So I don't know. Again, like, we can't come to a conclusion. No, no way. We've stressed that so many times tonight you have, particularly. But I think it's important to get both sides of it to get different opinions.

Everyone has an opinion. And I thank all these people for taking the time to try to figure this out. But at the end of the day, it's just another UFO video with not enough data, not enough information. And we just put it in the pile of all these other videos that we still have no explanation for. Tick-Tac, Gimble, Go Fast. Now this one. Yeah, it's exactly why I cannot come to a conclusion. I'm not willing to rule out an anomalous object, but I'm not willing to rule out a balloon or something like a balloon.

Yeah, exactly. Pat says, so one balloon turned into four balloons. No, Pat. What I believe was that was some sort of instrumentation or payload that was inside of the balloon or object of some sort. Could it have been some sort of really light air drone or I don't know. Like none of us know. That's the problem. What I am saying is if parallax is the explanation for this and the object was actually stationary

and the only things really moving were the missile and the Reaper drone from above, that does not mean, as ProPixel pointed out, that those objects locked in and then followed that object. It just means that everything, like, was stationary and was falling. And we're putting at it from a different angle as the drone goes. Yeah. And then, of course, the video cuts and goes to a wider angle or something. And we don't know what happens after that. Like, oh, God, it's so frustrating.

Very, very frustrating. Yeah. And a lot of people are pointed out to, like, but it pumped off of the object, the missile. And what it looks like to me, is the missile grazed it even. Like it didn't make a forceful impact, which is why it either did not explode or did not like destroy the object per se.

So not so much a impenetrable UFO from Zeta reticuli. But it could be. It could be. No way to know. No way to know. We wish we had the metadata. But again, we don't. Swear to God, I didn't mean to spend this much time on the hellfire.

missile guys, but I think it's important. You know? It is. If we can explain it, let's do it. And, you know, while Burlington might be wrong, is saying, I'll let the internet decide, I do trust that all these people have the, the right intentions in explaining what this thing actually was,

so that we can either move on and get to the truth, or we can dig deeper into what that object was. But the only person who might know that is the person who sent that video to Burlington, and that we don't know. They need to be a federally protected whistleblower, don't they? Boom. Bringing it back.

Book ending this baby tonight, guys. I love it. I love it. Oh, gosh. We have some super chats. Oh, my gosh. Thank you, guys. Thank you.

So much, Kurt. And our other Kurt. Other Kurt. We got James Craig. And we got Jamie. And then Kurt. Yeah. Thank you so much.

So sweet. Really appreciate that. Again, guys, all of your super chat donations tonight are going to help support Anamicon. Our free virtual conference coming to you this Saturday. And that's where we're going to end things tonight, Suzanne. I thought I would tease Anamicon with everybody before I let you go. We have our Master of Ceremonies, Jim Harold, the legendary podcaster, will be bringing us into Anomicon. Con checking in on you guys halfway through and closing things out for it as well.

But you and I will be there all day talking in the live chat, introducing each of our speakers and everything in between. But yes, I'm so honored and excited to have Jim Harold doing it. One of my favorites. He's awesome. And then I'm just going to go through the speakers really quick for you guys. We have Peter Robbins, who's going to be talking about the UN's efforts to establish a permanent UFO agency, something Peter was a part of. back in the day. So that's going to be really cool to reflect on that with him. We have Dr. Beatrice Villoreal, who's going to be talking about, are there alien artifacts in the solar system?

So she's going to break down those pre-published papers she has going on and talking all about that. We also have Nomar Slavic, who's going to be talking about humanoid encounters and showing some many documentaries of his. Next up we have the occultist man himself. Mitch Horowitz, who's going to be talking about parapsychology, introducing us to what that is and why we should pay attention to it. Next, we have Jack Dreher, who's new to the world. Wishing you could be there live for the big game, soaking up the atmosphere in the crowd.

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Of UFO's paranormal cryptids, and he's going to be talking about cryptids as cultural texts, monster theory. We also have Zelia Edgar joining us once again to be talking about haunted by, which are incredible cases she's compiled, that have ghosts, and monsters and cryptids all mixed together in one experience. So it's pretty cool what she's going to be bringing to it. We also have Christina Gomez joining us once again to talk about UFO cases from the Vietnam War.

Christopher Sussi, first time guest in Anamacan, is going to be talking about curating nightmares running a paranormal museum. He runs the Savannah Paranormal Museum that just opened this past year, of which I am going to be curating their UFO. exhibit. So I'm very honored and got to get working on that for sure. But the museum is open. So if you live anywhere in Savannah or in Georgia, go, go support the museum. Go check it out. But he's going to introduce us to the museum and talk about what it's like running a paranormal museum. We also have Richard Dolan, historian joining us. New co-host of the Need to Know podcast, Richard Dolan's going to be talking about TikTok UFOs throughout history. Dr. Shiana Steingast, a marine biologist, is going to be talking about maritime mysteries, haunting and haunted.

Next up we have from Small Town Monsters, Alexander Petikoff and Aaron Dees, talking about observer to adventure joining the search, talking how you guys can get involved with looking into and exploring the unknown. Paul Kimball is joining us once again to talk about a very controversial topic. Fascism, anti-Semitism, and the corruption of. of the euphology by the far right. That is sure. He's a terrible right now. My favorite trouble maker.

He is a troublemaker. That is for damn sure. But it is an issue in the UFO field that needs to be addressed. And Paul gives many examples in this talk. So I'm excited to hear from him. And Romgeet things out, guys. We have Michael Ian Black, the famous comedian and actor. You can see him in the new Superman movie that just came out as well.

Michael Ian Black joins Dan St. Germain and Sean Donnelly, all comedians, talking about we want to believe. They talk conspiracies, UFOs, paranormal, life after death, a lot. And so they're going to be sharing all their thoughts and theories on that stuff with you guys. We have a really interesting talk by Alex LeMay, who's a paranormal investigator. Ghosts and aliens, the strange history of the spirit box, which is so cool. She talks about how the spirit box, a ghost box, was actually, originally created to communicate with aliens. So that's really cool.

She's awesome. You can catch her on the Hulu show. I forget what it's called, but she's also on ghost adventures a lot too. Next up we have Sean Barnes, who's going to be talked about the ethics of conspiracy theories when belief crosses into harm, a very problematic issue in the UFO field and beyond conspiracies.

When are they fun and innocent? and when do they become harmful and dangerous. So be on the lookout for that. We also have Tyler Roberts from the Total Disclosure podcast. Who's talking about deterrence or disclosure UFOs, nuclear weapons, and the battle for secrecy. I cannot wait to see this. I know he's been working really hard on this talk as well,

talking about UFOs and nukes. So that's super cool too. And then last but certainly not least, my girls over at Haunted Heart and Soul, the television show that I'm on. with these three lovely ladies, Chelsea Lacelle, Amy Murphy, and Kim Moser are going to be talking phantoms of the sea, mediums, myths, and maritime mysteries. I'm so glad these girls are on.

And for our listeners, they're going to get to get a wonderful dose of who you work with when you're in Nova Scotia on this show. These are just the nicest people. The best, the absolute best. It's such a pleasure working with them. I can't wait to get back to Nova Scotia and hunt some ghosts. with them. I'm actually going to Nova Scotia in a couple weeks to go to the Shag

Harbor UFO conference again, just as an attendee. I'm not speaking this year, but we'll get you there, Suzanne. We'll get you there one year. I drove to their headquarters, which headquarters, that's a big word for their... Yes. The center.

Yeah. They were closed. The center, that's a better word. They were closed and I didn't get to go in or talk to anybody. I know. I'm so disappointed. Someday, someday. But yeah, I'm going to go with Paul Kimball, once again, to the UFO Shag Harbor event. So, guys, you can find out more about that at Shag Harbor UFO Fest.

Just Google it. It should pop up for you guys. I hope to see you guys there. If you live anywhere in Canada or the Maritime provinces, I'll be there October 3rd and 4th. As an attendee, I'm also going to be finishing filming my Shag Harbor documentary. So a lot going on that weekend. for sure. But before that, guys, is a nomicon. Once again, this upcoming Saturday, September 20th, you'll hear from all of these people who are giving you their time and talents and insights into these

topics. So I cannot thank them enough. I cannot thank our incredible sponsors of a nomicon, some of which are in the chat tonight. Dan, hello to Dan. Lafar, Lefebvar. I don't know how to pronounce your last name, Dan. I am so sorry, buddy. But he is the host of the based on a true story podcast. He is one of our sponsors this year at an Amicomicon. So a special shout out to him. Go subscribe, guys, to the based on a true story podcast. It's awesome.

They talk about movies and the actual story behind them. And they get experts in those fields to talk about it. So pretty cool. Oh, the poll. Yes. I'll get to the poll. He reminds me and then I remind you. Thank you, Pat.

Thank you, buddy. Yeah. Oh, two hours, 20 minutes. We got to get out of here. Let's go to the poll. I asked you guys in the live chat over on YouTube, what do you believe the UAP was in the Hellfire Missile UAP video? 28% of you said aliens, 29% of you said spy balloon, 12% said drone,

and 31% of you said other anomalous or non-human explanation. So there you go. Interesting. Split between aliens, spy balloon, other anomalous were kind of the big ones, but the biggest one was NHI or other anomalous. And that's kind of where we have to leave it. We don't know. We simply do not know. That result does not surprise me.

Probably doesn't surprise you either. Yeah. Interesting stuff for sure. Lefeb. Oh, Dan, Lefebb. There we go. Thank you, buddy. Thank you.

My French ain't too good. I'm a Scottish boy now. Awesome, Suzanne. I'll let you go back into the chat as I those things out here, but thank you so much. Sure. See everybody at an Amacan in a week. Yes, yes. You'll see, you'll get sick of our faces.

That's for damn sure. Thank you so much, Suzanne. I'll talk to you. All right. All right, guys. That's going to do it for tonight. Thank you so much for joining us on somewhere in the live stream. I know we covered a lot, but there's a lot going on between the hearings and the

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