Somewhere in the Skies - On the Trail of UFOs: Dark Sky

Episode Date: August 2, 2021

On episode 224 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, Ryan is joined once again by Seth Breedlove of Small Town Monsters and Shannon LeGro of Into the Fray to discuss their latest film, On the Trail of UFOs: Dark Sky. The film picks up where last year’s web series, On the Trail of UFOs, left off. This time, Breedlove and LeGro head to West Virginia to look at the state’s long history of strange objects in the sky, including local UFO sightings, the famous Flatwoods Monster encounter, the terrifyingly bizarre lore of Indrid Cold and the mysteries behind the Men in Black. They also tease some of the adventures they had in the mountains and caves of West Virginia, and what comes next as they continue their relentless search for answers on the trail of UFOs. On the Trail of UFOs: Dark Sky is available August 3rd on all streaming platforms. To learn more, visit: https://www.smalltownmonsters.com/shop  Find all of Shannon LeGro's work at: https://intothefrayradio.com/  25% off all Black Triangle Coffee orders with code: DARKSKY at checkout: www.blacktrianglecoffee.com Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Somewhere in the Skies Coffee! https://bit.ly/3mIAq2o Order Ryan’s book in paperback, ebook, or audiobook by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Somewhere in the Skies Subreddit: www.reddit.com/r/SomewhereSkiesPod/ Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Episode edited by Jane Palomera Moore Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague. All right, welcome to Somewhere in the Skies. We've been talking off there for about 20 minutes now, and this is what happens when you get the three of us together. So Shannon LaGro, Seth Breedlove, welcome once again to Somewhere in the Skies. Hello. Hey. You couldn't have picked a better time to kind of get into the UFO.

What would you even call it? I guess space. It started with the first season on the trail of UFO. And then boom, dark sky hits. It's going to hit, I should say, August 3rd, which this will air, I believe, right around then. And, man, again, you guys hit solid gold when it comes to, you know, UFOs being in the mainstream. But what I found really interesting about this film, and we will talk about this, is this isn't your mainstream uphology. This isn't the Pentagon.

This isn't, you know, the Navy UFO videos in the same three. people on television telling you what to think about UFOs. And that's what I really appreciated about this film. So I have to ask, before we get into what was in, Dark Sky, did you know, Seth, I guess Shannon, too, did you guys know you wanted to continue on the trail of UFOs after the first season hit Amazon, which I should mention has been viewed over 10 million times I saw in one of your pressers?

That's incredible. Did you know that you wanted to continue doing this? It's considerably higher than 10, actually, because they don't take into account. There's a Samsung app that the series is on. It's really only available currently in two places, but we're trying to rectify that. I just literally had a meeting last night with 1091 about trying to fix this, because Amazon basically took the series off the platform recently. It's still available for rentals, but it's no longer on prime.

but it's got to be closer to like 13 mil, I would think people have seen it by now. So it's a ton of people that have seen it. But no, the fact is, and Shannon can probably vouch for this. For the first like half a year that the series was out, I was under the impression that it had been like, I mean, like flop would be the right word because I just was viewing, I guess I was viewing numbers, you know, like, financial numbers more so than viewing numbers. And then as the numbers caught up to where I was at early this year, it became obvious that it was like probably the one of the most viewed things we've made.

And then it became less about the finances and more about, well, the audience is clearly there for it. So then the trick then was that we had kind of pivoted already, though, because my assumption was that the numbers were low because of episodic content being really difficult to release independently. So we pivoted into let's do feature films. And I had already come up with some self-contained story ideas for on the trail of UFOs, things that we could very easily condense into a film

or that might only be packaged as a film, I guess, instead of like an episodic series. and they would be more regional-based rather than, you know, the sort of travel all over the world format that we used for the first series. So we, Dark Sky was the first I came up with. And the major reason we did that, too, was because of COVID. In terms of travel, it was a lot easier for us to hop in a van and drive to West Virginia than it is fly all over the country during the midst of everything.

And there were stories in West Virginia that I'd really been itching to tell for a while. So I knew I wanted to continue it, but I didn't know how exactly we would. And it was then just trying to figure out what the best way to tell those stories would be, given the financial constraints we're constantly under. Right. Right. How about for you, Shan? Like, you guys went all over the country for the first series. And I have to say, again, like, I've done, you know, the podcast for a while now.

I've done several TV shows and everything, but I have never had that many people reach out to me until after on the Trail of UFOs premiered. I can't tell you how many people emailed me and said, whoa, I just saw you on Amazon Prime and this and that. And I was like, wow, this really, this, if you think about it, it reaches more people than any cable network can or anything like that.

So the fact that you did this independently, and it's reached more people and open more minds to UFOs than like CNN, Fox, History Channel, Travel Channel combined. I just, I think that's amazing. So, yeah, Shen, what did you think? Were you ready and raring to get back out there and look at UFOs after the first series? Or were you like, I need a break for this? She probably needed a break from me. No, no, no.

I mean, harassing Seth is one of my joys in life, really, you know, when we're out on the road, But no, honestly, filming with the STM crew is my vacation. Honest to goodness. I love being with, they're my boys. I mean, and I'm really, I'm one of the guys. I am a damn fool. And Seth can tell you that I'm a huge idiot. And I don't mind, you know, making fun of myself and others occasionally.

And I, for me, dark sky. And as amazing as the first season was. And to go to all those places, went to Sedona, went to New York City to see. I mean, places that I had never even been, people that I'd never met, the fact that dark sky was so focused, I think, is going to make a huge difference. And I'm, I mean, legitimately, I'm very excited for people to see this. And for us to, and I'm sure we'll be talking about this, but to film the second part of the second season coming up, which will also be very focused. So it's a completely different format than season one. And we're really getting past. kind of the, okay, we've shown you some of the UFO kind of 101 stuff, and now we're trying to dig a whole lot deeper.

And a pun intended, I guess, considering what dark sky is about. But this is a fantastic season, and I'm very excited for everybody to see it. Awesome. Yeah, it really does bring, I think, on the trail of UFOs back to what small town monsters is, you know, focusing on an area, focusing on the people in those areas and how that kind of influences the phenomenon and vice versa. And this time around it was West Virginia, a place I think a lot of UFO people are very familiar with, but people who don't look at UFO history like I do every single day in my life, they might not know that a lot of the early stuff happened here.

I mean, some of our most famous cases, famous lore, the men in black being one of them as well, and Indra Cold, which we will get into all that. But you guys start. the film in exactly the way I would have for whatever that's worth. And that's with a witness. You know, someone who is deeply affected by having a UFO event. And this happened to Kenneth in, in West Virginia. So, man, what a dramatic UFO setting to start the film out with. What did you guys think about this story that Kenneth had to tell you? And could you maybe just walk us through it a little bit and your initial impressions and what you walk you away with his pretty dramatic UFO sighting.

Well, I can tell you that Kenneth's sighting from the beginning was one. There were two big sighting stories, and Shannon will probably want to talk about this a little bit too, because her and Kenneth really hit it off. But there were two really big citing stories going into this that I knew we're going to play sort of like pivotal roles. I originally thought they'd be bookends, but the one got moved a little further into the interior of the film. and that was our anonymous witness story.

But the interesting thing about both of these stories is that they're featured in Bob Teets, Mountain State UFO case book, which is like this little-known UFO case book that compiles all these really fascinating sightings from the state. And so Kenneth, yeah, Kenneth, basically over the course of a week, of a week back in, if I remember right, it's like the 1980s,

but maybe Shannon can correct me if I'm wrong on that. During the 1980s, he had a series of sightings of a, like a diamond-shaped craft that appeared across from his house over this hill, over this power line. And he got the impression that this thing was actually like leaching energy off of this power line. It happened, I think they had five sightings.

in seven days is kind of like how it went. But his whole family saw this thing on multiple occasions, including his mom. There was an event as well during the same week where he encountered some sort of hazmat-suited individual in the forest behind his house. That's super fascinating. And it all sort of points to a bigger picture for UFOs, not just in the state of West Virginia, but around the country and around the world, I guess, as well. And that is this idea of UFOs and energy, you know, energy as a source or whatever it is.

There's definitely a correlation. And it's interesting, some of the people that we've shown the movie to already have reached out with, like, their own input on like some of the lines we're drawing in the movie. And I've also seen some reviews where, like, people aren't. There was one review that came out like a week ago, and they legitimately couldn't tell if we had faked all this. They were under the assumption that this might be like a fictional movie because of the final sort of connection we're making between the sightings. Because it's so, I guess to someone from the outside, it seems so bizarre.

But anyone that's been looking into UFOs for any length of time has already made that, you know, drawn those lines for themselves. So it's a really cool sequence. The coolest thing about that sequence is, first of all, that Kenneth was able to tell his story to us and do it in such a... I mean, Shannon really had a bear of a time calming him down and making sure, like, he was comfortable on camera because he had no intention of going on camera at any point to tell the story.

So she had to really talk him through that whole process. And the other thing is, like, Santino's effects in that scene are so cool. Like I really love a little like UFO over the power line shots and stuff. It just is such a nice like it has like a Spielberg vibe to it that I really dig. And there's also at some point I want to go back to something you said earlier about this being going back to like the roots of what STM is. I don't know if we want to talk about that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, man. It's such a like I've been told like Heather that that does all our research, did all the research on this movie and everything.

This is her favorite STM movie. She said it's like the quintessential small town monsters movie because it's like jumping from small town to small town. And even though we don't get into like the history of these places necessarily, you're getting like especially wheeling like the sequence with Shannon and I and Matt and Wheeling. And Matt's just like this local restaurant owner talking about wheeling West Virginia. And it's such a cool little, that's like what I pictured when I pictured small town monsters.

So it's just weird to do that within on the truck. of because on the trail of kind of exists outside of that, but it's cool to get back to those routes for me. Shannon can talk now. Cool. I don't see why I need to. Well, I'm glad you brought that up, Seth, because like, I know it's hard to get witnesses to let alone speak, you know, in email or, you know, even on a podcast. But then to put your face on camera, it's a whole other ballgame. And you could tell that guy was pretty shaken up by these experiences. And while, you know, as a viewer who might be, whoa, cool, like UFO's sucking the energy off a power line. Like, he was a kid when this happened, if I'm correct. And like, this traumatized him. So what was that like,

like trying to get a witness to really, I guess, bear their soul with this really unusual story? Well, and it's important to mention that where that is filmed is the exact location of his exciting, which to me was huge and striking. And, you know, another part of that story is, and, you know, obviously we're giving some things away, but folks are going to watch it here pretty quickly, is that they, you know, he shot at the thing at some point. He and maybe one of the neighbors, Seth or his brother. That is how traumatized he was. But for me, and I've said this before, probably a nauseam, is I'd like to come at it from the human side of it and the personal side how did it affect you you know did you sleep for you know 10 years after that what happened after that so

when he was reticent to talk on camera i actually just kind of fell into my my i tf role and i'm like uh we can we can do this kenneth like you're good man you got this and it it worked and it it was like set already said like i i did i loved kenneth i don't know why i just felt this kinship with him and we actually got to see him for a second time that you'll see him in the movie in two different locations and that is two different trips and that is of course the

Bowden or Bowden Cave, I never say that properly for that scene and I hugged Kenneth before I left because there was just something about Kenneth to me and I was also very proud of him for deciding to be on camera and tell that harrowing

story. It's not easy. One thing I should point out too is the the first season is definitely like it does what it needs to do i'm like really proud of what we did with the first season the first season doesn't i think the second this dark sky really plays to shannon's strong suit and that is talking to the witnesses and getting stories from people um you know the first season is so invested in kind of relaying the history of ufos up to present day. And I think that was a really important first chapter. But for us, I think the series, and this isn't like, I didn't intentionally do this. We never talked about doing this. But it does

feel in a way like the series is a response to the current state of uphology, especially like euphology entertainment, because it is so focused on, you know, like the disclosure stuff and and what's going on in the Pentagon and military sightings and all that. And all that stuff is super fascinating. And but, but this is very much focused on these smaller scale sightings that occur in regional locations and, and what might be tying them together, if anything. But I think to me,

it feels like a bit of a response, which I think a lot of what we do feels like a response, intentional or not. Yeah, which I think is refreshing, Seth. I mean, again, like you guys know me.

all about people who've had experiences and those get overshadowed by everything else going on. Yeah, it's cool to hear about like military UFO encounters. It legitimizes the topic. It's exciting, you know, thinking that our military are, you know, coming up against these UFOs and don't know what they are. Yeah, that's concerning. But I think it's also important to show that for every one of those military encounters, there's 100 people in West Virginia, in Chicago, in Detroit, and wherever, like having these experiences, everyday people. And again, that's why I love that you guys put the microscope on these people in West Virginia. And one of those people was actually Susan Shepard, who unfortunately passed away recently,

but you guys were able to probably get one of the last interviews with her, which was really interesting. So would you guys mind telling us a little about who she was? kind of her role in all of this in West Virginia? Yeah, well, Susan, I had, it's funny, I'd, I'd been aware of Susan, because I traveled through West Virginia, I was just there over the weekend filming. I feel like I'm probably, I know I'm in West Virginia more than any other state, including my own, like in terms of filming.

We, I probably know more people in West Virginia that are involved in the paranormal than I do in Ohio. Like, it's my home away from home. home. Someday it'll be my home. But Susan was someone who I met while we were making Mothman legacy and I had wanted to meet her for years. It just had never happened. But we really hit it off when we were making that movie. And one of the stories she had told during the filming was about her encounters with men in black and injured cold. And I say this, but this is unfortunate.

One of the things that was cut from the movie are some of the additional stories she has about, like, brushes with the men in black because there were other events that happened later in life. And there just wasn't enough time in the movie to get to those. But I had known because of that that I wanted Susan involved in this. She also had such a vast knowledge of every aspect of the strange and unusual in the state of West Virginia that she had. She was like, you'd be, you'd be an idiot to pass her over, you know, in a movie like this. You had to have her involved to help flesh everything out. We were extremely lucky because her health had already started to decline at that point. And she was aware she had cancer.

And when we interviewed her, it was, the interview and how we got it was a testament to who she was. because we were without a location to film the interview. We had actually, Heather was like stretching trying to find us a spot to film because it's very difficult at that point, which was last November. So you're kind of like the height of COVID. We're trying to get,

you know, we're trying to get a filming location. And it was extremely difficult. Heather called the Oil and Gas Museum down there and mentioned that we needed to do an interview. And they said, no at first. And then she mentioned,

Susan and as soon as she said Susan's name, the guy said, oh, it's for Susan. We'll do anything for her. And so, like, she was, she was an amazing person. I got to hang out with her three times. And every time I was struck by her knowledge, but her, like, her kindness. And then, um, the other thing that gets overlooked is she was like a really amazing artist. Like, um, she was an amazing painter. She, she was a poet. Um, She kind of exemplifies everything that I love about the people of West Virginia. And so for me, like, it was a no-brainer to dedicate the movie to her. But I remember when she died, it hit me pretty hard.

And I think Shannon was one of the first people I told or reached out to about it. So it's great to have her stories in there, you know, about it because it speaks to her family history. So we're doing at least something to help document some of her family stories. the sightings of the UFOs, the men in black encounter that she had as a kid. But I think I'm more, I'm happier that we had a part in maybe putting her on a larger stage for some people over the course of Mothman legacy in this movie. Because she really, she was a huge figure in West Virginia history, just folklore and history in general. That's cool. Yeah, Shannon, what was it like working with her?

I mean, again, she just had such a wealth and knowledge of not only West Virginia, but some of the most famous things to have happened there. I was so excited to meet her. And, you know, even without her passing on, I would still have said I was just so lucky to be in her presence. And then after Seth texts me and said that she had passed, I was really blown away by that. And Susan and I actually had a couple of, you know, private moments in between filming and after filming. And like Seth, she's just such a warm human being. And people down in West Virginia really are just amazing and different and different in a wonderful way.

And Susan really embodied that. But she also embodied the whole thing where Ryan, this is somebody that you would have loved to have talked to because Seth was mentioning her personal stories. And that included a bus, I think of kids or a church bus over her childhood home. and they saw a UFO over her home. She, of course, had the experiences with the men in black. And then her own grandmother had a UFO sighting, which she labeled them tokens. She said they look like tokens,

which is, I mean, that just harkens right back to Kenneth Arnold, right? Like the saucers and you don't know what else to call them. She called them tokens. And that was her grandmother. So you're talking about a family that had these experiences just running right through their veins, right from when she was a kid. So she lived and breathed this stuff

and it was wonderful to talk to her. That speaks to the token thing speaks to the wealth of sightings that take place in that state. Because you watch that movie and you might be like, okay, well Susan's recounting

these stories from her grandma and her family because she's a UFO slash paranormal person. So of course like these stories are she's you know like she's probably been funneled them or something. But the fact is, like, it doesn't matter where you go in West Virginia. If you bring up UFOs, for the most part, people have stories. And I found that in Braxton County back in 2018 and 2017 when we were filming the Flatwoods Monster, the most

interesting stories that came to me while I was filming that movie weren't from, like, Ed and Fred and May, although the story, the Flatwood Monster stories is great. But they were these stories from this girl whose grandma and grandpa lived in the hill. outside of Braxton County who'd seen like UFOs land behind their house and like all sorts of stuff. And these were totally like normal just, you know, folk that lived out in the country. But everyone's got, everyone will tell you some sort of story there about seeing something in the sky. It is, I can almost guarantee. And if they don't immediately recall it, they'll come up with it later and remind them to come and remind you of it.

Right. Yeah. I honestly feel like that that area, is intrinsically linked to these phenomena. I mean, you mentioned Flatwood's Monster. We've also got, you know, Mothman, obviously. We've got the Men and Black phenomenon. You've got Indra Cold. Like, everything you can think of kind of like started in this area. And I thought that was amazing.

You do cover Flatwoods in the movie as well, again, which was really cool to revisit that entire case. But one of the other ones I really wanted to touch on with you guys was men in black. you did a pretty extensive and in-depth section in the movie about the men in black and kind of like how this became a big thing in West Virginia. So what was that like diving into, you know, the folklore behind all of this and the possible reality of it being, being real, I guess, would be the best way to put it. Shannon, what did you think about covering the men in black? Did you ever think you'd do that?

I mean, I knew that we would at some point because you can't talk about UFOs. talking about men in black, but I just keep waiting for the black car to pull up and the men in the suits. You know, I'm hoping maybe after night visitors is done, maybe we, they're going to go, you're digging a little bit too deep now. We haven't had that yet. But yeah, the stories of the men in black. And, you know, to go back to Susan again, she encountered them at one point in the woods, I think, behind her house. I mean, what in the world? Who are they? What are they? And the fact that, I think it was Joe for due and Ron Lanham we also touched on on them a little bit with those guys you know they just it's kind of like some kind of a demonic presence where they don't quite form right

they can't speak right they can't they just can't do right there's just something a little bit off about them I think it was uh Joe said you know they can't really just you write a something down properly and they can't they can't speak properly just something just a little bit off about these guys. And they try really hard, but it's a little bit weird. And I think that was something that also came up when we chatted with Mark Muncie of Erie, Florida over Skype about men in black and his injured cold side of things. So, you know, there are still stories coming out about these men in black. Yeah. And, you know, we've heard throughout the decades of like, oh, were these Air Force people that were putting on. these suits and going and just messing with people.

Like it was kind of your like, you know, initiation into the whatever, Air Force special investigations. Like you got to go to this house and just F with this person's mind. Like just talk weird, act weird. Tell them it's going to be 40 minute meeting and it's exactly 40 minutes to the second like you mentioned in the film. A lot of people think that. It was just, you know, the government messing with people.

And then some people think they're aliens or their. these interdimensional beings. So Seth, what do you make of the whole men and black thing? It's interesting. The men and black in some ways, I think, are like most people's introduction to the weirder side of euphology. Because I remember, like my first experience learning about the men and black was through the Mothman prophecies.

And it's, on the surface, it does have such a, like, mundane kind of appearance. to it, right? It just seems like your classic kind of like Air Force misinformation campaign, you know, and there's there's also the mental image we'd draw up of a man in black based on like the Will Smith movie. But when you get into the weirder side of the men in black, it seems to fly in the face of that idea. So I had wanted to cover it extensively at some point because when we made the Mothmane in Point Pleasant, that movie is only like an hour in seven minutes. And we didn't spend a ton of time on the men and black, despite the fact that they were very integral to the 66, 67 wave of sightings. And, you know, like, I think we overlook,

men and black have been become such a part of like pop culture and uphology that, you know, we might forget that the origins kind of lie in the mountain state. I mean, I realize there's other men and black stories that exist outside of there that might predate, you know, the 66, 67 stuff. But when you think of what they're tied to, at least initially, it was the mothman and the mothman case. And I've talked to more men in black witnesses from Point Pleasant than I've talked to mothman witnesses in Point Pleasant. Like more people saw men in black around that area than there were mothman because the men in black are just showing up and hanging out on the street corner. I mean, they were there. And a lot of people.

encountered them. I was excited to explore that. I was also really excited to find that Muncie's story kind of at least a little bit tied the two together and then to have Susan kind of hint at the fact that she believes that injured cold was a man in black to begin with. I thought that was kind of an interesting connection too. So it was like it all kind of it all kind of aligned if you want it to. You know, you don't necessarily have to make those correlations if you don't, you don't think they exist, but, but some people do. So, um, I was, I was happy to, to get into that side of the subject, especially in the state of West Virginia. If I could go back, I think what I would have done, if I could go back to dark sky, I do this with every movie, like, it's

start picking apart after it's over. But like if I could do, if I could go back or if I could film a dark sky too, I would, which wouldn't make any sense. But if I did that, I would go to Point Pleasant and interview more of the men and black witnesses. Like I think I would want a larger focus on the men in black. Because I think that phenomenon speaks to the larger topic that we're covering. And I think it's going to come into play in some way,

maybe not overtly, but I think it's going to come into play in night visitors, which is, you know, the follow-up that we're working on next. So it's, I was just happy to tell the men and black story. I love, like, I've talked before that I love, like, that Cold War era, like, euology, the cover-ups and the government stuff. I love, like, the MJ12 stuff. That was, like, when I was first getting into all this, UFOs were more of my passion than Bigfoot was at the time. And MJ12 was like one of the things I looked into first. And I realized that everyone's got sides on this. But I just love the idea of it.

Like I love that era and the visuals that it kind of brings to mind. If I ever make like a fictional UFO movie, that is the era where I'll set it. Absolutely. I think, you know, the whole spooks and cooks and like you said, Cold War, like I think that's where the Project Blue Book television show really shined. like a lot of people didn't like it because it kind of, you know, over-exaggerated everything. But, man, just that time period is so integral to this entire flying saucer craze. And where we are today, it truly started in the atomic age. And it's fascinating.

I am so happy you guys covered that. But, well, let's talk about, let's talk about Davis for a minute. Now, this was cool. It wasn't, you know, you guys weren't just going around interviewing people. you put yourselves in the shoes of the witnesses and you said, I'm going to go do a skywatch and we're going to try to actually hunt for UFOs. And without giving away too much of the film, what was it like doing a skywatch out there? And would you walk away thinking, Shan?

I know this kind of affected you greatly in the film. Again, you don't have to tell too much if you don't want to. But yeah, how was it going out for a skywatch there? It was cold as Shiza. Was it? Yeah. It was freezing our nuggets off, man. No, that place is gorgeous.

Boulders everywhere, you know, it would be like some kind of a fay nightmare if they're, you know, our fay in that area. But boulders and water and things and trees. No, but going out to Dolly Saws was absolutely incredible. And, I mean, yeah, how much do we want to give away about it? I would just talk about it, Shannon. I would just talk about it because like it's in the mood. I still feel like in the movie it's kind of vague as to what happened. So I would just talk about it.

That is true. It is slightly vague. Yeah. Somewhere in the sky's exclusive. We're getting it. Thank you. That is right. You're welcome, everyone.

Yeah. I mean, you know, and to be honest, it's more of a UFO sighting that really I would probably like start snoring and fall asleep with. I mean, if I heard anybody else probably tell it, but when you see it, because it was the quintessential light in the sky, la la, la. But it was myself and Matthew Shang of the Moth Boys podcast. And we, he just goes, hey, look at that up there. And I look. And it is a, kind of a bluish, whitish light. And I see it immediately.

He didn't even really have to point it out that specifically to me. and it's moving extremely fast, way faster than a conventional aircraft could fly, at least that we know of. And it kind of was shooting down towards the horizon and it just disappeared. We're like, what the hell? Where do that go? What is going on? And then it reappears again and it's making this crazy fast motion again. And going, this is, this is BS. What is going on here?

And we're just, we're really trying to watch it. And at that point, uh, Andrew, our, uh, our DP was, he was filming. And he's, he's also getting some activity as well. And, you know, that actually, that is real footage that we, we got that you will see in dark sky. That's what Andrew captured. And that's exactly what was going on. It was like the night sky was just like, hey, you guys want to see a show?

we're going to, yeah, we're going to show you guys what's going on here. And I was really blown away just because of the fact that, and we were making that those are the live comparisons. That's not a recreation of going, that is not a plane. There is no way there could be a human being. Again, as far as we know, in an aircraft or in any kind of craft making that kind of a trajectory taking on those Gs like that. it's really like I said if if I was taking this report from somebody in my show I go hope they're going to spice it up you know because this is a little bit of a snooze fest but when you see it for yourself it's very exciting so finally out at dolly sods

dolly sods produced shannon's first official UFO sighting so that was amazing love it now you can say you have been in their shoes like literally it is a game changer for sure But watch Dark Sky that I find out my missing time and my sore tongue. Yes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The real story. Yeah. Hey, guys, Ryan Spreck here.

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Seth mentioned earlier the coal mines. I have to ask about this. Now, you know, yeah, in UFO history, you know, we have all these cases about UFOs being cited over nuclear installations and, you know, over water. a lot is another big one, these U.S.Os. But in the film, you guys make some interesting comparisons to the coal mines of West Virginia, which was a big thing in a lot of the towns in West Virginia, was the lifeblood up a lot of these towns that were also experiencing

high amounts of UFO activity. So A, what were the connections that you guys were trying to make with those? And B, what was it like actually going to a cave? and investigating. Again, you guys went all out for this one. So, yeah. Well, that cave, too, that cave does connect to a mine. It's on the other side, but it's, it's difficult to tell because that cave, that cave is apparently massive.

And one of our crew had something really weird happen in there, so we might be going back at some point to do a haunting somewhere. But, but the, so the interesting thing, there's a couple things. One is that cave thing, is, or that mine thing is holding true beyond West Virginia. I'm probably not going to go too deep into this, but we've already started doing the same thing in other states, and it's holding true in Colorado, especially,

where there's like a thousand mines per county or something crazy. But the interesting thing about West Virginia and sightings near coal mines is the fact that that happens in areas that aren't known for coal mining. So what you're going to hear when the movie comes out are people saying, well, obviously there's going to be a preponderance of reports near coal mines because there's coal mines everywhere in the state of West Virginia, but that's not true. Like there are, there's a huge number of coal mines in the state of West Virginia, but they're not, they're not everywhere. And there are certain parts of the state that have a larger number of mines than other parts. Braxton County is not known for coal mining. I don't know.

I think that has to do with the fact that the railroad runs through there. That's what they told us when we're there. However, there happens to have been a mine that was opened up in 1952. Okay? So like it just so happens that that's the same here that flatwoods happens. So there's like little weird lines you can draw between those things. We don't know what any of that means. If anything, we're just looking for connecting points.

between the two, and that seems to be, at least with the state of West Virginia, that was the most noticeable correlation that you could draw between the sightings that happened and coal mines. The other one that didn't make it into the movie is religious centers. So church, sightings near churches, like that's a really common thing. Sightings by churchgoers, pastors, things like that. There's a lot of that in West Virginia, too. again, I guess technically you could say you're near the Bible Belt, so you can you can say it's not that surprising, especially given the number of churches within the state of West Virginia. But those are the two most obvious connecting points between like if you're looking for these, this is the huge number of sightings. What connects those sightings? Those are the two things. Now people want to talk more about like the sightings near the chemical valley or nuclear plants or things like that, plants that might manufacture the individual components for nuclear,

nuclear stuff. But that's not where the predominant number of reports are happening. They're happening near, you know, if you're trying to look at the largest number of sightings, that's what they align with, are the minds. And what's funny is we started this by saying, okay, well, the largest number of sightings actually seem to correlate to energy in general.

And then, like, we pretty quickly realized you could throw that out and say, just coal mines. And it still worked. Like every single sighting, every person we interviewed on this movie had a sighting near a coal mine. And that's, I get it. Like there's a lot of coal mining in West Virginia. It's not the case in every single county. And yet it's still held true in those places. So whatever that means, I don't know, we're still working on that. Shannon's going to go hunt the goblins in the next project. Nice. I can, I'm seeing you with the, the pickaxe and the helmet on and everything, Shann. You're going to be like Zoolander coming out of the, uh, the mine. We got the black lung pot. Yeah, uh, that's, you know, and we set it in a film. This is not a new idea, but it's just so cool that, you know, we're in these places. We're talking to these people and we're going, holy, holy crap, look at what is going on.

This is actually a thing that is happening. This is not some fake stuff that we're coming up with. That is where all of the evidence pointed us. So there you go. Yeah. Yeah. And again, like, you have to wonder why, you know, why are some UFOs going over nuclear plants? And some are going over coal mines.

Like, is the coal mines like the poor man's alien race? You know, they're still on like fuel, whereas these other ones have gone nuclear? Like, you truly, I know, I know. I'm joking, but you do have to wonder why certain UFO activity happens over water, over nuclear, over coal mines. But that's cool. I'm so happy that you guys are just kind of digging into that and going further because I do believe there's probably something to it. And there's got to be something to with the Appalachian Mountains. I mean, you know, it's even mentioned in your film.

It's one of the oldest, like, mountain ranges in the world and that there's been UFO activity for so long. So what role do you think, you know, the Appalachian Mountains play in all this? Is it is it a lot bigger than we could ever truly expect? I mean, I think Appalachia in general is a hub of weirdness. And I say that as someone who's now made like six of my movies in that area and, you know, multiple on the trail of it. I mean, even the journey, which did not seem like an Appalachian movie on the trail of Biggs of the Journey, we ended up in Appalachia because we ended up in western Massachusetts and the mountain range we were on is the northern tip of the Appalachian Mountains. So like you can't, it's almost like if you're on the East Coast, you can't escape getting away

from, you know, the Appalachian Mountains. I don't know why that is, but it goes far beyond UFOs. I mean, it's just a hub of weirdness in general. Like whatever, whatever you got, it's probably got some sort of history in that area. It could be the fact that it's so old. I mean, I love the idea that that's an area where those mountains might have seen UFO activity long before there were people here. You know, like, that's such a cool concept in my head anyway. And I don't know, I don't know what it is about that particular area. I can make my, I can make every movie in Appalachia and be happy.

Because I grew up in Appalachia. Like in my part of Ohio, where I grew up, is, is, you know, eastern Ohio, far, like southeast Ohio, and we're right on the, on the line. So I kind of like consider myself Appalachian. And I've talked before, too, like when we were making invasion on Chestnut Ridge, I was drawing off of memories of watching TV news reports from Wheeling, West Virginia. I think I talked about this with Shannon when we were making the movie. I was drawing off of, because we had a TV with like rabbit ears.

We'd set it on the table and then you'd like tune it in and you watch the TV news or whatever. We would watch the Wheeling News station. And I can remember them doing stories on like UFO sightings in the area and ghost like every Halloween they did a ghost special on the nightly news. And I remember watching that stuff as a kid and being like, why is, why are, why is there so much weird crap happening near Wheeling? and like in the Ohio Valley. And that all ties back to Appalachia. I mean, honestly, end of the day,

I'm such a freak and into the stuff I am because I come from Appalachia and you grow up aware of it. Like, that's how it is. That's what happens. Yeah. Yeah, I love that.

I love that there's such a history of weirdness. And like, you've only just begun. Like, you know, it's really only begun there. I love that. We could easily, we could take the cut material from dark sky and make an entire second dark sky or we could have made like a three hour cut of dark sky very easily we interviewed 16 different people for this movie so it's like for for a for a what it's like a 90 minute movie it's not I don't even know if it's 90 it might be 80

minute movie 80 minute movie and there's like 16 individual people and every single person has some sort of encounter of their own that's what I said about like we had to cut Susan Shepherds some of her later MIB stuff out of the movie just because the movie, it didn't fit into the overall arch of the story. But there's so much more like we could still get into, even with just what we had to cut out of the movie, let alone if we went and interviewed more people. Like we only explored the

northern, I think the northern panhandle of the state. So we're only up in like, the furthest south we got was Parkersburg. So we're pretty much just along the tip and then up toward like the Virginia, Maryland border areas, that's where we are. We never got far south. And south is where the preponderance of reports are. And the interesting thing about that is south is also where the predominant number of coal mines are.

So everything aligns. There we go. Bringing it back around. I love it. And you guys interviewed the granddaughter of a Project Blue Book person as well, which we'll say for the viewers to watch. So yeah, it's just amazing how much history is in this one place. I love it.

Well, I do have a couple of listener questions for you guys. If you don't mind sticking around for those, I'll fire them off for you. Cool. Let's see. Trudy over on Patreon. Our Patreon subscribers get a priority to asking you guys questions. Trudy asks, I'd be curious to know if there are any MIB cases

documented recently, say in the last five years, and if so, do they share similar attributes to historical encounters? Or have they evolved with the times? Have our men in black gotten all like goochied up and like slick back hair? And yeah, has anything changed for that? Well, I mean, she should probably be asking you, Ryan. You're probably the best guy to ask about that stuff. I personally haven't heard of any of that new stuff, but I don't probably dig into it as much as Maybe Seth has heard of something fresh and new on the MIB. Anything, Seth? Hold on, let me unmute this.

Yeah, like in terms of the MIB stuff, I think there's been a change just because I think initially there was more of like the bowler hat type reports and like the weird. I mean, they had the attire of like the era. whereas today it's interesting she'd ask that because Ron and Joe actually made the connection between MIB and

the reports from around the time of the the Tic Tac video and the what was it, Air Force people that showed up and confiscated the videos and stuff and I thought that was actually like a pretty good connection to make so that change might be happening

you know like that's the only thing I can think of, I don't know if they're wearing Gucci though. Yeah, that's not in the Air Force budget yet, yet, not yet at least. But no, that's such a good point, Seth. Yeah, there are these guys who showed up on the ship, didn't say a word, didn't really have any noticeable, you know, things or symbols on them and took the radar tapes. And that was it. I see a little men in black right over there coming in the photo, coming in. He's trying to stay just out of frame.

Oh, so professional. Well, yeah, and I think, you know, yesterday's men in black are probably today's like, these disinformation agents we hear about, you know? A lot of people think someone like Luis Celizondo might be a men in black. Like, he's the new version of that trying to muddy the waters and everything. Or these people like Richard, or what's his name? Yeah, Richard Doty, who. went around spreading all these false lies and was one of the people, Seth,

who kind of got the majestic 12 papers out there and everything too. So, yeah, maybe we're dealing with a much more, less, I guess, weird and bowler hat wearing Cadillac driving men in black. I don't know. But yeah, that was an interesting question by Trudy. Let's see. Brendan on Patreon asks, does small town monsters have any upcoming plans for field research in Missouri. We have a lot of activity going on and Mo Mo Mo is still at large.

Dang, man. I actually would love to get back to Missouri for UFO stuff in all seriousness. Like when we were making, watch the cord, buddy. When we were making Mo Mo Mo, one of the ways I did research for it was to join the Missouri, what is it, the Missouri? What is it? The Missouri, like UFO investigation groups on Facebook. And I was like looking into those UFO sightings in the area. And that's that's an area that's a lot like West Virginia where they have a ton of activity. And yet I feel like it's overlooked. Like Missouri, a lot of those Midwest states, they seem to get overlooked all the activity

that happens there. But I would definitely, I would love to go back. back there. I know Shannon and I have the next location kind of set and that, I mean, I don't really, we're still working on exactly where, but we're going to be filming end of September

on the next one. And then after that, we'll probably reconvene and figure out what's up next for us, where we're going next for the series. So Missouri would definitely be an interesting one. The other one I always wanted to cover with a UFO connection is we were supposed

to make a movie after terror in the skies, or no, it was actually one of the movies we were going to make instead of terror in the skies called, what was it, Lucky Hill? There's a place in Indiana that's kind of like a very condensed version of the Chestnut Ridge where all this like weird activity happens in this one place. And it was a location that I learned about when we were trying to do research for that movie. And we ended up making terror in the skies instead. But yeah, I would love to get to Missouri. Is that? the short answer. Cool. Awesome. Come in your way, Brandon. Coming your way. Um, my camera got all blurry. Oh, no, it's better. Okay. Awesome. Awesome. Blob squatch as Micahanks would call them.

Awesome. All right. Here's our next one. Mothman 46 on Twitter asks, I'm a big fan of Shannon and Seth's work. I hear they are both cool. My question to them would be, if UAPs are proven to exist and are extraterrestrial, how do you think it will impact the religions of the world as we know it? That hypothetical we always hear about. So, right? So, okay, whoa. So Mothman 46 was actually with us the night that Shannon had her sighting. Oh my gosh, I did not know that. He neglected to tell me that. We have pretty cool too. Yeah, he was there. He's awesome. That's a big question. It's pretty big one, yeah. Yeah, that's like one of the biggest. I don't know. We've talked about this on Monsteropolis because my co-host is a Lutheran minister. And I think his thing has

always been like it would, in some ways, I think it would strengthen the faith of a lot of religions. I don't know that you would see a complete collapse. I just never buy into that. I also think one of the things we always talked about is like most world religions are pretty fantastical when you look at them in terms of like the content. It's already kind of written The paranormal is already kind of a part of it. So when you get into UFOs, it's kind of sure, it's there. So I'm sure there would be some impact. I can't.

I don't know what it would be. I'm not smart enough, guys. Oh, stop. When you guys were talking about that on Monsteropolis, because, I mean, Mark's just, he's a sharp guy. I mean, so when you were talking about it, you know, strengthening people's resolve in their faith, would the thinking there then be that well god you know whatever you want to call god or whoever

it is or she or whoever whatever they created us so they created the aliens as well like we're all like one kind of i i would assume yeah i would assume that is his his thinking when it comes to that yeah i i vividly remember being in confession when i was like god maybe 14 15 and asking my priest you know behind the partition, like, hey, man, yeah, like I lied. Maybe I stole a piece of gum this week or something from the convenience store. But what I really want to talk to you about is aliens. Is it okay for me to believe in this stuff or am I going to go to hell? Like, what's up with that?

And it was quiet for like almost a minute. It was so awkward. And then finally I could hear him kind of laughing. And he just goes, no. it would only strengthen the power of God and what he can create. And that was coming from a Catholic priest. And I know a lot of religions and leaders of religion, not leaders, but, you know, people of faith say, yeah, like, of course, there's probably endless civilizations out there. It only shows, again, how powerful your creator is.

So I've always kind of looked at it that way, that if we do find that life, if we do find out that, you know, all these things, things being seen in West Virginia are extraterrestrial or interdimensional. Like, it's just, it makes everything so much more complex and powerful if there is a higher power that created it all. Or we're all just in a matrix and we're seeing the glitches. I don't know.

But, yeah, I don't think it would shake religion as much as a lot of people think. Assess having a glitch right now. Is your home haunted or what's going on? Oh, geez, what's going on? This is the last time I'm going to sit in here is all I know. because like I, this light makes it look like I'm on fire. Like I've been consumed by fire.

Yeah. You're in hell for talking about religion and UFOs, man. That's what's going on. I'm going to go investigate us house. I'm calling Heather right now. The next haunting. Yep. Awesome.

Here is just two more for you guys here, listener questions. Sean on Facebook asks, how did it feel, Shannon, to see something for yourself, finally, a UFO. Oh, has it piqued your interest to see another one? Or do you want to see something again? Maybe something more definitive, like a close-up craft. Yeah, you want to get on that ship? What do you think?

Is that maybe my brotherish on Kevin Jason? It might be. It might be. Okay. Yeah, so everybody knows I'm kind of a cryptid, random one-off, you know, story or Bigfoot mostly kind of gathers. and UFOs has never been a passion of mine. Yes, it's interesting,

and I do have plenty of UFO encounter stories on my show. So, yes, after seeing essentially that what I'm assuming is the same UFO twice, with Matt, it has lit a little bit more of a fire for the UFO subject for me. Absolutely. Would I rather see a delta-shaped craft and hear a humming and then see, some kind of a weird being come out of one. Sure. Maybe save the missing time jokes aside, because I don't think that would be super fun when you talk to, because as much as I like to joke and make fun of things and laugh about hurt bums and things, it's horrible what happens to people, at least their perception,

whatever it may be, whatever you believe happened to those people, doesn't matter, because to them, that is goddamn real. And it's horrible. So that I could pass on. But, I would love to see an actual craft someday, whether or not, and if it is, in fact, Sean, Kevin Jason, he saw a silent delta-shape craft just outside Area 51. We talked to him for first season of on the trail UFOs. And I think that would be incredible to see something like that. Now, even Sean admits, if that's the right, Sean, he admits he thinks that's a conventional craft. They were out testing, just light years ahead of, no pun intended there, light years ahead of what we would know of that our own government has.

But yes, sorry, long answer, long-winded there. I would absolutely love to dig more into UFOs. And seeing that out at Dolly Sods, absolutely help that. Lots of places can expose you to identity theft. Oh, no. That's why LifeLock monitors hundreds of millions of data points a second for threats to your identity, which is way more than anyone can do on their own. If we find anything suspicious, like new loans or changes to your financial accounts, we alert you right away.

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Yeah. I don't know. Wow, it looks pretty, pretty trippy. Anyways, I think it was in your first season of On the Trail. You asked me, Shen, like, would you want to see something again? Because I had my pretty dramatic sighting when I was a kid. And I said, I think I recall saying, no, I'm good. Like, I'm good. I feel like I'm kind of coming around.

Like, I'm ready. I think maybe because so many people are talking about it now, Like I feel like FOMO almost. Like I'm like, oh, I want to have another one again. Like people are seeing stuff. I want to see something again. So yeah, we'll have to get out there and skywatch the next time the three of us are together. And hopefully we'll finally have that close encounter of the fourth kind, maybe.

Third kind. Let's go with third kind. The third kind is good. Third kind's good. Yeah. Safe distance. All right. Last listener question.

Connor on Instagram asks to Seth, What is the coolest Medina County legend that you know of? So when I moved into, yeah, I live in Medina County now. So unfortunately, I'm outside of Appalachia now. But the coolest that I'm aware of is the River Sticks Monster, which is the one that I came upon when I first moved to the area. And it's like there's a tiny little village near where I live in Wadsworth, it's called River Sticks. And I learned as much about that area. and their local monsters that could when I moved in.

So basically during the 70s, there were all these sightings of this hairy creature, especially along the roads and in the forests near the metro park over there. Now, the sightings completely stop in the very early 2000s, which is around the same time that all the development happened in Medina County, really started to kick up. And that area is completely developed now. And I mean, there's really, if Bigfoot exists, it's not going to hide out in Medina County.

That's all I can tell you. But the River Sticks monster stories are super cool. And River Sticks itself is really interesting because it's such a, apparently like when settlers moved into the area, they named it River Sticks because if you went into that area, you did not come out. Like you died there. So I just think you can kind of like cast back in your mind as to why they might have named it that.

And it's just such a cool kind of area. and to have a Bigfoot legend there is pretty awesome. So that's my favorite. Cool. Wow. Yeah, the imagery just evoked in my mind from River Sticks. Oh, God, no, I'm good. I don't want to run into that.

That's all I got for you guys here for listener questions. So, of course, I have to ask what comes next? Where can we find on the trail of UFOs, dark sky? And yeah, give us all of the good links and everything. Seth, let's start with you, brother. Where can we find the movie and everything you're up to you? The movie will be available on August 3rd on all the major like VOD platform. So iTunes and Google Play and all those places.

Amazon apparently occasionally still distributes independent nonfiction content. So we'll be on there. We're distributing through 1091 for the foreseeable future. we're locking in next year's deal as well. So we have four more titles coming out next year from them as well. We still have four this year. So there's a lot happening. There's eight titles between now and next year.

And that's not including all the stuff we're doing with YouTube. So, oh, actually, no, 10, 10 titles. Yeah, we just locked in two. We actually have two additional titles coming out this year that we haven't even announced yet that are coming out through 1091. So we've got a lot coming. on the we're we are working on another on the trail of UFOs we had kind of announced it softly announced it last year called night visitors we will actually film that and release it we'll film it actually in a couple months a month and a half something like that and then we'll release it that'll be a next year released 2022 and that will take us to um probably colorado and wyoming is where we're looking at so we're going to move out of this part of the country

and back over to the, you know, to the more mountainous regions of the West. So we're excited to do that next. But, yeah, there's a lot happening between now and the end of this year. Rougaroo on the trailer, or no, it's the howl of the Rougaroo. Actually, 1091 renamed it. It's Skinwalker, the Howl of the Rougaroo. And that'll be out on August or September. I don't know.

It's like September 15th. I can't keep up. It's been a busy year. It's been a busy year. Wow. Skinwaw. Ooh, that's exciting. Awesome. And what's the website, Seth? Smalltown Monsters.com. And, yeah, visit our YouTube channel, too. We do new content literally every week. We've got three videos that went up this week. We do a show called Paranormal Unexplained, which is some of this STM crew basically debunking paranormal evidence videos. It's super funny. It's not at all serious. And it's just a fun watch. That's the one Aaron heads up in all his moletid glory. So you guys should definitely check that out. And then we do a show over.

There's another episodic series that comes out over there called Beyond the Trail as well. And then if you're a channel member, you get all this like behind the scene stuff too. So it's a cool. It's a cool place where we're trying to grow it over the next couple of years. Awesome. Yep. YouTube's where it's at. Chan, give us everything.

What are you up to? What's going on over at Beyond the Freight Publishing? And, yeah, give us all the goodies on what's to come on into the fray. Well, I mean, ITF is still, you know, running weekly. The Thursday show is coming in hot. I'm not ever going to stop doing that as long as I'm breathing. And I can talk, I suppose. That would be kind of an important thing.

But, yeah, beyond the fray, I probably can't really mention some of the authors that we're going to bring on board quite yet. But we are still signing folks. if you're interested anybody out there come on over we'd love to have you we'd love to talk to you it's been a very very busy

year and I'm expecting next year to absolutely blow up for beyond the fray so that's beyond the fraypublishing.com and you know you don't have to be an author to go there just go there and check out our books and our authors Ryan of course is one of them somewhere in the skies

and Into the Fray is Into the Fray Radio.com and of course you can find me on all the podcatcher YouTube, Iheart Radio, and we'll follow you. Awesome. And we do have to mention as well our good friend Andrew over at Black Triangle Coffee

is doing a very special promo for the entire month of August. Starting August 3rd, Andrew is doing a 25% off all of his coffees over at Black Triangle Coffee, one of which is the official Somewhere in the Sky's coffee, which you can get over there as well.

That's a good one. Oh, thanks, man. I've had that, yeah. Yeah, see, and that's the thing. Andrew is so amazing to work with people on the perfect coffee, because I'm a huge coffee nerd. I worked at a Sasquatch-themed coffee shop for two years. And I really learned to appreciate coffee. And he worked with me to find the perfect blend of what I would want in a coffee

and, you know, for the perfect night to go skywatching. And that's what we came up with. But, yeah, I know he's got a Skinwalker one. He's got, what else does he have over there? A Bigfoot one, I believe, as well. But yeah, he wants to celebrate the release of Dark Sky with a very special promo, 25% off all bags of coffee. So head on over to blacktrianglecoffee.com and help celebrate the release of

On the Trail of UFO's Dark Sky. But other than that, guys, I have to thank you again for the work you're doing. It is desperately needed in the UFO field and be a lot. on. And I have to thank you once again for coming on Somewhere in the Skies. Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for it. Somewhere in the Skies is produced by Third Kind Productions in association with the Entertainment One Podcast Network.