Somewhere in the Skies - Pentagon FAKED UFO Programs and Evidence, NEW Military UFO Video REVEALED, AARO Director SPEAKS OUT, WSJ Article FALLOUT

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

Ryan and Suzanne are back as they bring you the latest UFO and space-related news, including: - An official military video of a disc-shaped UFO has been released. - Did the Pentagon fake UFO programs and evidence? - Former AARO Deputy Director, Timothy Phillips, speaks out. - UFO personalities react to controversial Wall Street Journal articles. - University of Albany professors team up to investigate UFOs. - A former USAF pilots shares his personal UFO encounters while flying. - New SETI discovery with non-human intelligence. Please take a moment to rate and review us on Spotify and Apple. Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Discord: https://discord.gg/NTkmuwyB4F Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ryansprague.bsky.social Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomewhereSkies Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/somewhereskiespod/ Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryansprague51 Order Ryan’s new book: https://a.co/d/4KNQnM4 Order Ryan’s older book: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Store: http://tee.pub/lic/ULZAy7IY12U Read Ryan’s articles at: https://medium.com/@ryan-sprague51 Opening Theme Song by Septembryo Copyright © 2025 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The whole UFO culture have been fueled intentionally by Pentagon disinformation that spanned decades. That's the question posed by a new Wall Street Journal story. It's reverberating throughout the UFO community tonight. The article is titled The Pentagon Disinformation that fueled America's U.S. UFO mythology. And it alleges that the U.S. military knew that UFOs weren't from outer space with aliens on them, but instead spread those rumors for decades. Why? Because it helped the military hide top secret programs they were working on, from the public and from America's adversaries. UFO skeptics have suggested for years that the UFO question may tie back to Pentagon disinformation. This article.

raises the question of whether some of the biggest names to come forward in recent years, like Pentagon Whistled Lower David Grush, could have been fed some of that fake information about UFOs and top-secret UFO programs. While our government's affair that astroscientists agree on one point that the possibility of life elsewhere is not only quite probable. Some fields are there without opposed to them that these objects are real space vehicles, extraterrestrial origin

and not an illusion of the mind there's nothing to hide at all it is damn good to be back home what's going on guys Ryan Sprague here from somewhere in the skies and welcome to somewhere in the live stream oh boy this is going to be

the show of shows that is for damn sure hello to everyone in the chat it's so good to be back I'm back home after a almost three-month stint in Canada and the United States. I'm back in the studio, as it were. You see this wonderful UFO art on my wall that Suzanne got for me. You see a brand new addition to the studio here, a Fate magazine. I brought that from home.

Same with, how do I point on here? There we go. They knew too much about flight saucers. I collected a lot, although I was back home. That's for sure. brought it to Scotland to the SITS studio. But that's not why we're here. We're here to talk about all the latest UFO news and have a conversation about it.

And it's going to be a conversation. That's for sure. It seems that uphology exploded while I was gone. So it's good to be back. It's good to be back. But it's not going anywhere. People are saying uphology is dead. these articles are the nail in the coffin, are they?

We're going to talk all about that tonight with you guys. But before we do that, I do want to send out a special shout out to all of our Patreon subscribers, YouTube members, Apple Premium subscribers. Thank you guys truly for your support. You help the show continue. And if you would like to help the show continue, that goes through the podcast and the live streams. Super chat and Super Stickers will be open all night tonight

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What else is new? If you could simply like this video, subscribe, share it with a friend who might find this stuff interesting, you know. UFOs are bigger than ever, even when they're at their most controversial, which they are right now. I imagine a meter, you know, from like boring to average to things are heating up to, I was going to say nuclear, but now might not be the time to use that word. You know what I mean. We are boom, red hot, coming in hot. So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Share the show. That's all I could ever ask of you guys. Uphology lives, Michael Huttita says. It always does, my friend. You and I know that best. We've been here for decades at this point. That's depressing. We've been here for decades.

We've seen this ebb and flow. We have seen ufology die of many different deaths and come back to life. In fact, I wrote an entire essay on that very topic. In the book, UFOs, reframing. the debate. You can find that on Amazon right now, edited by Robbie Graham with essays from all of the euphologists back in the day. I want to say that book came out like right before 2017, before the big Pentagon story broke. And we are trying to think of new ways to think about UFOs. And my article was about how euphology dies time and time again. But always finds a way to come back. And it will. It will.

We'll have that conversation tonight with our moderator, Suzanne. She will be joining us later in the show. So be on the lookout for that. I know you guys love when she comes in here. But we have so many other stories to talk about. Some good, some bad, some in between. So let's not waste any more time. Let's get to our first story for tonight.

That is not it. That's Jeremy Corbeau. Here we go. There we go. There's our trusty slideshow. Spoiler alert. Jeremy Corbeau will be seen several times tonight, guys. Again, some of you will like that.

Some of you will not. I love when Suzanne is on me, too. Let's Talk Tech. I love having her on. She is a wealth of information. And she will be in the chat with you guys tonight as well. So be sure to say hello to her. And yeah, yeah, let's get this thing going.

Our first story tonight. brings us to Fort Meade, Maryland. Two new exhibits at the National Cryptologic Museum from extraterrestrial communication to remote viewing. This is pretty darn cool, if you ask me. So, from psychics to extraterrestrial communication, new temporary and permanent exhibits at the National Cryptologic Museum in Fort Meade, Maryland are now open to the public.

free. So if you live in the United States, if you want to travel to the U.S., if you live anywhere near Maryland or like the D.C. area, you can head on over and go to this museum for free. Put on by the National Security Agency. So just be ready to go in for free, but leave with all of your data and information. God. This is pretty cool, though. These new temporary exhibits include one called, mind over matter. And this concerns project Stargate. So we've talked about this on the live stream in the past. We've had an episode with Lance Mungia about his film, Third Eye Spies, all about the government's remote viewing program, Russia's program.

We had Annie Jacobson on the show as well, really early on, talking all about the siwars between the U.S. and Germany and Russia and all of that stuff. Well, it's real. And it's now in the National Security Agency Cryptologic Museum, an exhibit all about what the United States government did when it comes to remote viewing. A little background on that. This was used by the U.S. government during the Cold War. Many of the psychic spies were at Fort Meade, and they were tasked with collecting intelligence, locating enemy agents, and determining American vulnerabilities by using remote viewing. Remote viewing is mentally viewing a distant location they have never visited to gather insights on a person, site, or specific information. As outrageous as it sounds, the secret program was very successful and was on until 1995. I can't believe it went that long. That is pretty cool. That's pretty cool.

A standout in the remote viewing field, Agent Zero Zero One of Project Stargate, Joe McMonigal, has been involved in over 200 intelligence missions utilizing his unique set of skills. His distinct collection of drawings as a result of his remote viewing missions were used to assist in combat and are a part of the current exhibit. So you can actually see a bunch of his sketches. You can see, I believe they have some archival footage of some of the remote viewing sessions, bra. They have some of those as well, so you can check those out to you. But the one that really caught my eye, guys, was the second temporary exhibit at this museum. And that is called What the What? And this has to do with the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.

Yes, SETI. SETI is also making its debut at the National Cryptologic Museum. The museum created a theater room for guests to watch a video about the search for alien life and how researchers go under the sea to make connections, which is hilarious. I totally didn't see that sentence in my notes here, but that's going to be our next story. The search for alien life in the sea.

What? We'll get there. Using anti-cryptography methods, a cryptographic message that is easy to decipher. The scientists detail their use of radio signals in their search for intelligent life in the universe. You can also see a circuit board that digitized cosmic signals and so much more in the quest to communicate with alien life. So there you go, guys. head on over to Fort Meade if you can. Make sure you have the proper identification.

I tried to get on a military installation in Hawaii recently, and it was a nightmare. So just make sure you got a passport, an ID, and a backup ID as well. That was a funny story. I told it on the live stream what happened to me. What I tried to get into, I think it was Schofield military installation in Hawaii.

And they like sat down. me down in this room and they were looking up, you know, my, whatever, I don't know what they were doing. They had their backs, you know, the computer was there and I couldn't see what they were looking at, but they were like looking at my records and stuff. And the guy just goes, hmm, interesting. And then that was it. I don't know what he meant by that. I don't know if it has to do with UFOs. I don't know.

Or the Russian spying that I've been doing for the past five years. Wait, did I just, oh, shoot. You didn't hear that. Anyways, speaking of SETI, let's continue on the SETI route, guys. Ooh, that scotch is rough. That scotch is rough. Where is this from? I think it's from Scotland, but...

Oh, come on. It's never good when they don't tell you where. Distilled in Scotland. Thanks, guys. That really narrows it down. Anyways, the scotch is rough. Um, what was I saying? Oh, SETI. I'm on one tonight. Get ready. Get ready. Seti. You ever heard of whale, seti? You have now. This blew my mind. This blew my mind.

No, we do not have whales in space, but we do have whales that could possibly lead us to a new way of communicating with extraterrestrial intelligence. God, I love science. This article came out recently over at the debrief from our good buddy, the one and only Micah Hanks. SETI researchers report potential discovery of, quote, communication by non-human intelligence in Earth's oceans. Man. For the first time ever, scientists have documented a unique behavior in the animal kingdom that provides new insights into non-human intelligence and, potential clues in the search for intelligent life from other worlds. The discovery made by scientists with the SETI Institute in collaboration with scientists at the University of California at Davis involves large bubble rings produced by humpback whales.

Researchers say this behavior, which had never been significantly studied until now, could represent a unique form of interspecies communication. This is so cool, guys. We'll break a little bit more into this after this quick video. This is a woman named Christina Ortiz. She is a writer and producer with Earth Sky, a website that covers all things Earth-related. And she talked about this story and kind of what these bubbles are all about,

how whales use them to communicate, and how we could potentially use a theory like these bubbles to possibly communicate with alien life. So let's give this a go. Hi, I'm Christine Ortiz. Did you know humpag whales can produce spectacular bubble rings underwater? They produce rings for multiple reasons, including trapping prey and competing for females.

And in June 2025, the City Institute and the University of California, Davis, said humpa whales also use bubble rings when interacting with humans. Here are some of the mini rings they documented. In fact, the researchers documented for the first time how humpback whales approach humans in a friendly manner to play and socialize by using these rings. This next video is an example from Hawaii. Hampag whales are intelligent and social animals

with complex communication systems. Besides bubble rings, Hampag whales can communicate through calls, jams, fineslabs, and eye gestures. But what is the SETI Institute with searches for extraterrestrial intelligence studying whales? It's because the researchers

want to gain insight into non-human intelligence and communication systems. The goal is to develop filters that help analyze cosmic signals for signs of extraterrestrial life. So Hampa whales are trying to engage in some form of communication

with humans, which might be something intelligent alien life is trying to do too. Will this whales become a key factor to find an intelligent life out there? I think so. I think that is so freaking cool. First of all, I've never seen those rings like a video of it, so that was pretty cool. But yeah, man, I love this comment by highly ginger over on Twitch. Hello to our Twitch watchers.

Guys, I'm so sorry. I sometimes forget that we're going out over a Twitter. Twitch. So hello to you guys. I promise I will start acknowledging you more. Acknowledge Twitch. And hello to our Twitter watchers as well. It's good to have you all here with us, archaic YouTubers, I guess. You guys are the Gen X of the group where we are the boomers, as it were. I'm not a boomer. I'm not a boomer. I'm a GenX. I think. I'm like right on the cusp of Gen X in Millennials. whatever that means. I don't know. I don't know.

Twitch, Twitch, folks, we see you, Suzanne says. I'm not drunk. I'm not drunk. Let's continue with this story because that was an awesome video, but we do have a bit more information about this. More broadly, the whale setty team's research aims to unravel the intricacies of humpback whale communication as a unique avenue to contribute valuable data towards the determination of Drake's equation factor, FI,

a key factor in the famous equation that deals with a fraction of planets with life on which intelligent life emerges. In the past, WALSETI has incorporated studies of acoustic analysis of well vocalizations, observations of associated behavior, and other factors to unravel the mysteries of interspecies communication. But Dr. Lawrence Doyle, a SETI Institute scientist who co-authored a new paper detailing these findings, said that the current technological limitations have led SETI researchers to operate on the presumption that intelligent aliens, if they exist, will likely be interested in contacting other forms of intelligence and may potentially attempt to do so with us, humans. This important assumption is certainly supported by the. the independent evolution of curious behavior in humpback whales.

So, I mean, the fact that whales are not only communicating with one another in different ways, whether it's acoustically sonar, things like that, they're now creating these ring forms underwater on the surface and trying, attempting to communicate with humans, how long will it be until we can finally understand their language and begin to communicate? with these deeply, deeply intelligent creatures? What will they say after years and years, centuries of interacting with them, sometimes in good ways, many times in bad ways? Whaling is a big problem? What will they finally say to us?

You know? And then take that a step further. What if these rings, these bubble rings, what if that could be done cosmically? What if that could be done out in the galaxies in some intelligent form of life could try to be communicating with us this way? So cool. I find it just stunningly beautiful that a creature so ancient to our planet could be the key to communicating with life on another planet. It's just like full circle. a ring, if you will.

I love it. I absolutely love it. Highly Ginger says, I wonder what their feelings are on the pollution by humans. Exactly. If they could finally talk to us, what would they say? What would the whales say to us, guys? I want to know in the chat. What would be the first thing you would want a whale to know? Answer those questions for me.

I'm curious. Hello to everyone else. I mean, this, Richard. Hello, hello, hello. I saw a few other people. Trudy is here. She loves whales. I do, too. I do too. Gen X is here. Nope, no, Gen X is not here. That was something Dayland said. I'm scrolling too fast. I thought someone here was named Gen X. Yeah, this is just so cool. So, so cool. Let's keep with the cool stuff for now, before we get it all controversial, right? Our next story brings us to Albany. New York, which is not too far from where I grew up, actually, in central New York, Syracuse. In fact, I was in Albany somewhat recently with my good buddy, Andrew Sanford, who you guys know, spent on the show a few times here. He is my brilliant co-host on Somewhere in the Ring, my professional wrestling podcast, which will be returning next week.

We missed our first week last week, and it was all because this guy was somewhere in the skies. I was flying home Had to make a pit stop in Germany That was fun Interesting people you Germans Do we have any Germans joining us? I was at Frankfurt It was scary

People in Germany scare me Just gonna say it They're just very blunt And uh And seem to lack emotions sometimes Dalyt says you didn't visit I was there Daly for like five hours.

That was about it. But I got a cool magnet. I'll show it to you next week. Little, uh, it's like one of those cuckoo clocks. I'm not scary. You are not scary. Dalen.

You are not scary. I know that for a fact. Anyways, back to Albany. How did we go from Albany, New York to Frankfurt, Germany? I'm so sorry, guys. Uh, University of Albany, professors. Let's get our slide here. You of Albany professors are studying UFOs and they have found an unidentified anomaly. This is pretty cool. So two professors at the University of Albany are hoping to make

a major scientific breakthrough studying unidentified anomalous phenomena or UAPs. They recently published their findings in a journal where they said there was one object, one. object, they could not identify. So I'm going to go ahead and play this clip from the local news. This comes to us from News 10 in Albany, where we'll get to know these professors a little bit more, the methods, the methodologies, the instrumentations they are using to try to study UFOs. And yeah, yeah, we'll get a bit more insight on this story on the other side.

Let's give this a watch. Ambition comes in all shapes and sizes. At First Citizens Bank, we roll with your goals because we're built for what you're building. Fit for your ambition for Citizens Bank. Tons of equipment, including infrared light like you see right here. Two physics professors at U Albany are breaking new ground in a new scientific study. UAP, formerly known as UFOs have been in a popular culture for about 80 years now. And they've never really been studied scientifically carefully.

Matthew Shadagas and Kevin Knooth teach physics at the university at Albany. But right now, they're doing more than just teaching. These are some of the images that we took. They're trying to create a scientific field around the study of unidentified anomalous phenomenon, also known as UAPs. The team tested their methods for the first time in 2021 in Laguna Beach. So we set up a series of cameras, both visible light. ordinary cameras as well as infrared cameras as well to get temperatures of objects. And what they found just got published in June.

Most things were able to identify like helicopter, a drone, a paraglider even. We can see a little person. But there is one thing neither scientist can explain. This is video from their research. We just have a few dark pixels. This is infrared, so that represents the temperature. But it's really strange. It represents a color that doesn't seem to be any of the standard hot or cold colors.

And it only exists for a few frames, and it's a small collection of pixels. And the shape and behavior are not readily identifiable as a plane or drone. But all that considered, Chidogis says it's possible this spec could just be a camera glitch. You can never be sure that you've got a complete list of mundane objects. So it's very tricky. With new technology and more scientists, they're hoping to find that out. We need people, we need other scientists to get interested and do their own studies then and create a web of people who are working together. There you go, guys.

Our boys over in U of Oveni are killing it. Canuth is a good friend of the show. I've spoken to him several times. I also am aware of the work by Zadagas, too. Both of these guys worked with UAPX back when that was a thing. I don't know if they're still a thing. I don't know if that group's still going. They might work at the SCU know.

There's too many groups. Too many groups. Too many acronyms. Sounds like the government. But it's not. These are independent groups studying UFOs, and that's what we need. I commend all of them. I love all of them.

And they're doing fantastic work, including these two. I had a moment where I was watching that clip. And it's surreal to me that we're talking about this in a university setting. I brought it up on the show many times before. I won't harp on it. Universities are more apt to talk about UFOs now more than ever in many different ways. So sociologically, scientifically, religiously, psychologically.

It's just never in a million years did I think we get to this point. And now you have these guys doing this. You have the Galileo Project working with all of these Harvard people. The list goes on and on and on. And I just think it is so, so cool. To continue with the story, the team tested their methods in the field for this first time and reported their findings as part of a special edition

of the High Impact peer-reviewed journal Progress in Aerospace Sciences. Siddakis would state that, quote, Following on the recent joint congressional subcommittee hearing on UAP, the study of UAP is slowly moving from the fringe to the mainstream of scientific study. As this progress moves forward, it's critical that future study of UAPs follows a rigorous, repeatable method that can be tested and confirmed by other researchers. We aim to establish a roadmap for these efforts with this paper. Now, what's important is this next paragraph here. The article, the new science of unidentified aerospace under sea phenomena, aims to clarify the current and historical scientific narrative around UAP

and highlight that UFOs are longstanding global phenomena that have been reserved and recorded for over 150 years. Canuth would add to this saying, he was the lead author of the article, mind you, Kevin Canute. He would say more than 30 other researchers from around the world took part in this paper. That is the key right there. 30 people took part in this. This wasn't just too ambitious UFO nuts who happened to be professors, who happened to have degrees in scientific study doing something like this. Like this was a joint effort by many, many people.

And this is what we need. peer-reviewed papers. Look, they found an anomaly. Go watch a tear in the sky, the documentary. We had Caroline Corey, the filmmaker who made that documentary on the show. You can find that in the archives, guys. Go back and look for that episode. Where she talked about this, that they did capture an anomaly while they were there,

this weird anomaly that almost looked like the sky. been ripped open and it was leading to another dimension almost, hence the title, A Tear in the Sky. Now, both Canuth and Zedakis both say, you know, it is very weird, this anomaly that we captured with our thermal cameras and whatnot, but it does not mean it's a daily. It could be an anomaly within the camera itself. There are many different prosaic explanations for it. but not one they have found yet. And they put this in the paper. So that means it had to get by at least 30 other people who looked at that and said,

yeah, we have no idea what's going on there. So interesting to say the least. Knuthwood state, quote, given the longstanding global nature of the UFO question, the air safety and security implications of their presence and the potentially profound importance of their nature, studying and understanding these phenomena is a great and urgent importance. I would have to agree. Cheers, gentlemen.

Good luck with your work over there at University of Albany. I hope that I can get there soon. I always come to Albany to see wrestling when they're in town, Monday Night Raw, Friday Night Smackdown. Maybe I could hop on over to the university and say, hello to these guys. Give Kevin my best. And yeah, yeah, great work over there. Great work, guys, if you happen to be watching this right now. Okay, let us move to our next story. This is a cool one. We got some more pilot UFO encounters on record, guys. So somewhat recently, United States Air Force Major Ryan Bodenheimer came forward to,

to tell two, two very interesting close encounters with UFOs that he had while in the air. Oh, boy, these are interesting. So, Bodenheimer, who served with the elite thunderbirds and flew countless combat missions, recently recounted two UFO encounters he had on his YouTube channel. His first sighting, he recounted, was that of a, quote, lightning, fast triangle. A triangle, guys, while training with the Thunderbirds near, Dun, da, dun,

area 51. On this day, the mysterious jet lake object flew past Bodenheimer's F-16 as his squadron was coming in for a landing. He remembered it being massively fast and it passed him like an interceptor maneuver, which he thought maybe could have been a way of having fun with him. The object then disappeared out of sight. But that's not the story I want to share with you guys. His second story is much more interesting to me personally.

And this happened during a training mission in Southern Wyoming. And it was a little scary because this object was, if you're watching this, a perfect rectangle. And it came very, very close to actually colliding with, Bodenheimer's plate. So we're going to go ahead and hear his story. It's a little long, but I think you guys are really going to like it. Let's hear from Ryan over on his YouTube channel about this UFO.

And man, it is one. It is one. It is a story. I'm just checking here to make sure I have the video. It seems that I may have forgotten to upload it. So let me go ahead and find that for you guys here very quickly. here we go. All right, let's hear from Ryan. 30,000 feet. I was cruising at probably about 400 knots. It was daytime. The sky was clear,

and I'm scanning the horizon, just standard procedure. You know, you got everything else dope. The jets looking good. Scan outside, looking for other aircraft, looking for weather, things like that. And then just out of nowhere, off the left-hand side, down the wing line, it was a bright object just caught my attention. And I thought it might be really far off in the distance, but I could tell that it was getting bigger as it was coming towards me. So that means it's really close. And it wasn't moving on the windscreen really much at all.

And that's actually something that we train for a lot as a fighter pilot or any type of jet pilot is if something's not moving on your canopy, it means you're on a collision course with it. So immediately, I thought I was on a collision course with something. And I kind of had this moment where I'm like, we're up at 30,000 feet. There shouldn't be anything else up here. What is happening? So a moment of like my eyes just kind of getting wider. I put my hand on the control stick.

I'm about to turn off the autopilot. And then I realized we weren't going to hit it. And all of a sudden it came more into view. And it was a rectangle shape. This was like a essentially perfect rectangle shape. Maybe I would assume probably like 30, to 50 feet high. It was bright white along the outside edges. And it was like the outside edges were glowing. And then on the inside, it kind of got a little bit lighter colored. And it went all the

way down to like a cream and then a clear center. So cream in the middle and then clear center. I know it sounds like I'm talking about like a delicious pastry, but literally this was the wildest experience I think I've ever had. Because immediately I thought it might be a weather balloon. so I'm looking for a tether. There's no tether at all. And so then I'm thinking, you know, am I imagining this? But it starts to get closer and closer

off of our left-hand side. And it didn't do a breakneck speed thing. It didn't just fly past. It kind of went like a slower motion, which makes me think it was going the same direction as us and not being like an opposite direction, which would make it give it that breakneck line of sight where it just flies behind you.

It definitely wasn't a plane. It wasn't a drone. There was no wings on this thing. There was no exhaust at all. And again, there was no tether, so it wasn't a balloon. And the edges, it was like they were so bright. They were pulsing. And I don't know if that's just an effect that my eyes had to kind of deal with how

bright it was on the outside. But it came close enough where I could really see all the details of it. So bright white around the outside, kind of like a pulse. so bright. Transitioned to more of a cream color, so it wasn't as bright, kind of in the inner, I would call it like the of the middle of it, the outer, the outer of the middle. And then in the center, it was like clear. Like I could almost see like just kind of clear sky through like a little hole, like air was passing through that hole. But again, we're at 30,000 feet. We're at 400 knots. And I don't know. It's like this thing's hanging with us. Not not, not, we don't get the

breakneck speed past it. So it was obviously going really quick. But the crazy thing is, so there's no contral, there's no nothing on our weather radar, no static on the radio, and it's completely flat planeed. So aerodynamically, this thing shouldn't be going close to 400 knots, right? I mean, if it was oriented down and it had a small sliver going through the slip stream, that would make more sense to me. But it really was defying any type of aeronauts. laws that I've learned of. And for a rectangle to be like a barn door just kind of flying through the air was a wild experience.

I just want to pause it right there and let that sink in, guys. The fact that this rectangle was like right side up and like flat, not aerodynamically going with like the wind thrust. Like, you know, you know how like race cars, one race car will get behind a another perfectly and use what they call like the draft and they'll actually like it makes the car go faster behind it because there's no wind force coming at it because there is an object in front of it um it it reminds me of that like the fact that this object was keeping pace with an f-16 plane with it and going like this it was not flat and going aerodynamically

it was like that's just crazy and the fact that it had a hole in the middle of it like Was that what was the air was passing through to make it be able to do that? I don't know. I just found it absolutely incredible. Let's continue with the video. So it zooms off of our left wing. So my training kicks in. The whole time I'm like dialed in on this thing, looking to see if it's moving towards us or if we're on a collision course.

It wasn't. So we fly past it. Check the, check all the sensors of the aircraft. Nothing was off. Everything looked good. didn't distort any of our electronics, nothing like that. And then since we're talking to air traffic control, I had to give a call to air traffic control. So I'll try to recreate what that call was. It sounded something like this. So I think we were close to Denver. We were actually southern Wyoming.

So let's just say I was talking to Denver Center. Denver Center, I need to report something that I just saw. And they're like, okay, go ahead. A little bit like weirdness. They're like, what? what's this pilot smoking, basically? And I said, I just saw an object. It looked to be about 50 feet tall. It's a rectangle. I've never seen anything like this before. It was at our altitude at 30,000 feet.

And I think you need to be aware of this in case any other jets pass through this sector of your airspace. And there was just like dead silence where the controllers like, I really don't know what to say. And then they asked to their credit, they were like, can you describe it more? Like, what color was it? So that's when I started saying, you know, the edges were bright white, cream in the middle, clear in the very middle.

And other aircraft that were around us acknowledged said they'd look for it. I never heard anything about it. I did see there was a report filed that showed like an anomalous object was spotted in that area around that time. I bet if there's like ATC calm back on that day, it'd be hilarious. Someone probably heard it if someone was kind of scanning the ATC radios. But yeah, this again, it was, to me, it was almost like a, just like a special experience, I guess. Very odd to see something like that.

Never thought I'd seen anything like that before. And there's supposedly been somewhere around 800 UAP reports just since 2021. A lot of them unexplained. So science says it could be advanced tech, human or not, you know, going against aerodynamics to me definitely blows my mind. anti-gravity, something that cloaks radar. I didn't see anything on the radar, especially in the fighter jet situation. But I was also in formation, so not necessarily staring at my radar. But I think it's just important for pilots to have these discussions. And I think it's healthy to raise these questions and share stories. So, you know, for me, if you're not revealing anything about national security, you're not, you know, revealing anything about classified information, then sharing these encounters is actually really cool. That is so cool. One of the best stories, pilot encounters I've heard in a really long time, to be completely honest. This almost outdoes some of the New York Times ones for me personally.

Tick-Tac will always be like the most dramatic. I think the chase is what really gets people's attention with the Tic-Tac. Also the extreme, you know, acceleration from surface of the water to the cap point, blah, blah, blah. But this one is just like, it's up there. It's up there. But, but. And I know there's people in the chat thinking it. For now, it's just a story.

But a good one, nonetheless. I mean, this guy flew with the Thunderbirds, the most elite, you know, aerobatic pilots out there. And the fact that, like, this dude's coming forward. It's saying I had two. close encounters up there. And we couldn't explain what it was. That means something.

It does. It does. He reported it. Very important. He didn't just, you know, shrug it off and move on, as many Air Force pilots probably have done in the past. He did what is now protocol for Air Force pilots. I don't know if it was back when this happened.

When did he say it happened? I missed that. Anyways. Um, do I have it here? Nope. Um, but still, the point being, like, they're getting reported now. And I love what he said, like, the tapes might be out there. They might be out there of him reporting this.

Um, and they were like, we have no idea what it is. Um, it's interesting. He also mentioned that there was possibly a report of another anomalous object in that area at that time. Um, let's find that pilot. Let's find whoever witnessed that. Uh, let's correlate and try. triangulate these stories and see if we can find out more about it. But for now, we have these two incredible stories by Ryan Bodenheimer.

You could check him out on YouTube. Just type in Ryan Bodenheimer. I'm sure his channel will show up. I forget what it's called. Oh, I'm so bad. I'm a bad YouTuber, not giving proper credit. But thank you, Ryan. I hope it's okay that we shared this story with our audience.

I have reached out to Ryan. Hopefully get him on the show. Have a little Ryan Ryan duo. conversation. We'll see. We'll see if he answers me. If you guys want, you can find him on Twitter, Instagram, tag somewhere in the skies. Let's get this guy on the show. Let's find out more about what's happening in our skies with USAF Major Ryan Bowdenheimer. Also, his first encounter happened near Area 51. Go figure. Thank you, Suzanne. Suzanne has a link to his YouTube channel right in the chat for you guys, so be sure to check that out for sure.

Cool, cool, cool. We are sticking guys with the military and UFOs, but not yet. I know you want us to get to the highly controversial Wall Street Journal articles, the fallout from that, the reactions from the UFO celebrities out there and everything in between. We will get there. We have one more story to share with you guys that broke this past week.

And that came to us, of course, from the one and only Jeremy Corbell, Jeremy four names Corbell, and big Georgie Nap, Nap, Napster. They released a brand new video that came to us from the military, and the title of this is Flying Disc, caught on camera by U.S. military

in a newly released video. Investigative journalist Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp, released a new military captured UFO video. It was recorded by government personnel over the Afghanistan-Pakistan border in November of 2020. I lost my place here. Hold on. Oh, here we go.

It was captured during a reconnaissance mission by a high-altitude Air Force platform, which I'm sure we are not allowed to know what that platform was. Because usually that's what's classified, the platform, and not the UFO itself. or the video. The video shot in thermal appears to show a massive disc-shaped object weaving in and out of cloud cover. According to Corbell, it was labeled a UAP by the Department of Defense and was said to have been navigating through the clouds intelligently. Let's watch the video. Let's go ahead and watch the video. And then we've got a couple clips here of Corbell talking about it to give us.

more insight. But let's just, let's watch it. See what you guys think. There's a lot to discuss with this. We need to keep in mind, too, like, this is from above. So we're not looking at, like, a beach ball per se from the side. We're looking at a round object from above, as if you were looking straight down at it. According to Corbell and the information he was given about the video. So one can deduce that this object is circular, disc-shaped, I guess, and it moved and or navigated through the clouds. It actually banked at one point, if you noticed that, up in the left corner, banked and went through the cloud cover. It's interesting. I'm not going to lie, this is one of the better and most compelling videos that these two have put out over the whatever those Baghdad Phantom things were.

and the pyramids and all that. This one catches my attention. However, as usual, we don't have a ton of information about it. But let's go ahead and play this clip. Gotti Schwartz over at NBC had Jeremy Corbella on to talk about the video. And a lot of people are scoffing at this AI enhancement thing. Jeremy kind of talks about that in the video. it's hard because like the video is very grainy.

They did release the raw footage. However, it's very hard to see. So when you go ahead and use AI to enhance something like this, it's going to exaggerate things. Like for instance, like the white sort of almost like halo effect around the object wasn't there. That was done by AI to kind of further emphasize the object itself. So that's a problem. But, you know, I guess take what you can get.

I don't know. I don't want to get started on AI. I've been talking about it all week for other reasons. But let's go ahead and watch this video and we'll talk about it on the other side. Let's see if it plays. I might have to re-upload it. Here's Gotti Schwartz at NBC and Jeremy Corbeau. I've obtained and released with George Knapp thermal videos of UAP.

Now, our government has admitted some of what we put out. They've admitted their UAP. I'll tell you this. I'm not saying it. That was in the original footage. It says UAP navigating through clouds. They called it a disk. I'm not even calling it a disc,

but what you're seeing is first shape. I have never seen in all UFO history when it comes out of military, an actual circular form. That was amazing to me. Second is the movement. When you see it make an abrupt turn from your left,

you're right when you're watching it. And the third thing that really was astonishing to me. This isn't thermal. There is no heat signature of traditional propulsion. It is a perfect looking disc. Maybe it's an orb. I don't know, but I do know this. Our Air Force passively captured it. Then they said that this is a UAP. It is still designated a UAP. So when Georgia and I obtain and release these, so the public can see, we're hoping to do a little bit of the job that we're not seeing with folks from Arrow. Let us say AI enhanced, it looks like there's some artifacting around it. What is the actual video and what is possible artifacts from trying to boost the contracts

and see what's going on here? So we did an analysis of the video, but what I did was make sure to put out the original things that George and that and I obtained. So you see it clearly says, video one, video two, video three. Our own government, because they've been studying this in the intelligence community, since 2020, they did a sort of rudimentary, I would say, kind of highlight or enhancement of it. And that's why you see like a white ring around it. This is like, right. Pre-CHDPT, pre-AI revolution here. So what we did was we went in there just so people could see it better. We make it very clear,

AI enhanced, because it changes the shape. It's a perfect sphere or a perfect circle, depending on angle of observation, when you watch it. So what we did was heightened contrast. And we also made sure that you could see as it goes into clouds we punched in. So the military videos are the ones that are black and white. The ones that we try to enhance so people could just see a little bit better of shape and movement is kind of more blue. And I mean, it's circular and this is looking down at Earth, so you're looking at the clouds. Like, is there a chance of this is just a, I don't know, a balloon? Right. So if you look at the movement and you look at wind, and this is why we put it out to the detectives online,

but our military doesn't think so. Our military called it a disc. our intelligence community has been at this since 2020. Now, look, when assets like this get out to journalists like me and George, you know, we're not experts at this, but we know and can report that our military calls us UAP, like every piece of footage we've put out. It's fascinating, man, and I think this rides on a much bigger and more important topic, which is that there are whistleblowers, and there are three who have confirmed to me,

firsthand whistleblowers, that they will testify under oath publicly at Congress, Congress needs to respond to this video. It is time for them to respond to this because I have people that are willing to testify at the next congressional hearing on UAP. All right. So will we get another congressional UFO hearing? Do you want another congressional UFO hearing? The last one did not go too well. Okay.

So a lot to break down with this. A lot of people in the chat in the chat are saying like the AI enhancement. has nothing but money it. I get it. I totally get it. Yeah, it alters it. I mean, Carbell even said in the clip, like the AI

changed the shape. But what? What was the original shape? I don't get what he meant by that. Put Stratton in the chair, Fuse the Electron says. I hope you mean

the congressional chair. We're not electrocuting this guy, are we? What did he do? What did he do? Lekatsky, yeah. It'd be cool to get those guys. Those cats up there.

Get them talking about orbs in their houses and werewolves smoked cigarettes in the woods of Skinwalker Ranch. I kid because I love. And I love because I kid.

It was a glare. I've seen the original. Michael Hunt even says. I don't know what that means. The original video? You getting videos from whistleblowers, Michael? What are you talking about? Dino Beavers Dayland says.

Yep, we'll get there. Anyways, interesting video to say the least, but we need more information about it. Maybe we'll get that in the future. On the weaponized podcast with George Knapp and Jeremy four names. Corbell. Chris Bartel is in the chat.

Hello to Chris. As always, friend of the show, guest of the show. Really good to see you here. Thank you for your service. As always, Chris. This entire conversation stems from James Lekatsky, one hour visit to SWR.

Cheers, buddy. I will say no more. But a lot of things are coming to a head right now, guys. And that has to do with the Wall Street Journal. Now, Jeremy Corbell said in this clip, I'm not the one telling you this was a disc. The military is telling you this was a disc. What if the military was lying to us?

The government is lying to us about UFOs. Oh, my God, revelation. The clouds have parted. The truth has bestowed itself upon us. The government is lying to us about UFOs. Uphology is dead game over the end. Thanks for joining us. I will not see you next week.

We are done. We've solved the mystery. It's all a fake. It's all been a lie, guys. All of it. All of you that have seen UFOs, you didn't. Or if you did, the government made that UFO.

We have a lot to talk about after the commercial break. I was trying so hard to make a suspenseful cliffhanger for you guys. But yes, we're going to come back and talk all about the Wall Street Journal articles that just came out. The second part dropped late last night. So I've got some information about it that we will talk about with Suzanne. We'll talk all about the first part of the article, the fallout, the reactions from the UFO community. And we're going to watch some pretty interesting clips from Stephen Green Street over at the New York Post because he interviewed one of the former deputy directors of Arrow about the controversial

things brought up in the Wall Street Journal that all of this post pre-2017 has all been a joke and has all been a lie and is nothing but human technology. This will be interesting. I will see you guys after the break and we will return soon. with Somewhere in the live stream. Stay tuned. Greetings, everyone. Ryan Sprague,

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A lot has happened in the UFO field in the past few days, past few months. And before we go any further, thank you. Thank you for sticking with us here at Summer in the Live stream. I know my schedule has been super wonky. I had a job. I don't just UFO. For anyone who thinks that any of us just UFO, that is not the truth. That is not a fact at all.

Many of us in the UFO field have jobs as well. You know, I bartended for 12 plus years. I was a barista. I've done every job you could possibly think of. And meanwhile, I was a UFO researcher and doing the podcast and everything in between. So yeah, yeah. For anyone who thinks that this is all that I do or some of these other UFO podcasters or researchers do, you are sorely, sorely mistaken. So yeah, I was in Canada for three months on assignment.

I was ghost hunting, if you would consider that a job. I do because I was getting paid to be on a television show. Again, some people might be like, that's not a job. It is. I work 12-hour days till 4 a.m. Tell me that's not a job. I dare you. I dare you.

Yeah. But all that to say, I wasn't able to do the live streams as much as I had hoped. My schedule was just really wonky. And yeah, I got possessed by a demon at one. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. That didn't happen. Or didn't.

Stay tuned for haunted. So thank you. Again, we have almost a thousand people watching tonight, which is so cool. And thanks for your patience. I will try to do these as often as possible. My schedule is pretty wide open. I've got some travel in the near future across Europe. But other than that, we hope to do this every week.

So I will try my best. And yeah, I know you guys really look forward to it. I do as well. And Suzanne and I love putting this thing together. Like, again, a lot of people don't know, but like all week we're putting this thing together. It doesn't just, you know, fall into our lap and we go live. Like a lot of prep goes into this pages and pages of notes. In fact, I'm going to post a page of a photo of Suzanne on our social media of her highlighted and tabbed notes that she had,

not just for tonight, but for everything we do. And, yeah, we're always bouncing ideas off of each other. Like, should we cover this? What should we talk about? What's most important? and how should we structure this? A lot of pre-production goes into this thing, even though it's just a live stream

and you should just go with the flow. I'm not like that. And neither is Suzanne or not improvise. That's for damn sure. But we try, we try. But yes, all of this to say, thank you. Thank you for sticking with us. Thank you for being here tonight.

And let's get into it. I will bring Suzanne in in just a moment. I'm going to start this story and then I'll bring her in. And then we've got four clips that I want to show you that are pretty controversial that come to us from the New York Post via Stephen Green Street. I can see and hear the pitchforks and the torches in the background. But a lot of information came from that interview. And yeah, I think it's important to highlight all sides of this highly controversial

story. So let's get to it. In the past couple weeks, two articles now have come out from the Wall Street Journal, and they basically are trying to take down uphology or give us the truth we've been seeking all along. So what did we learn from these articles, guys? Let's go with part one. I'm going to read a little bit here. According to an investigation by Joel Shetman and Aruna Viswantah of the Wall Street Journal, backed by the recently retired head of arrow, Sean Kirkpatrick, the Pentagon spent years showing discord and doubt among the American populace by making people think we've been visited by extraterrestrials. When in reality, it was all fictional. by the Pentagon to distract the public from what was really going on.

Top secret projects developing human-made technologies. Who boy. According to Sean Kirkpatrick, he says that he launched an internal investigation and found that the U.S. government has fed us strange tales of UFO sightings to throw. people off the scent of classified weapons programs. According to the report, even military brass got fooled by some of these distractions. For decades, new commanders of top secret Air Force programs were shown photos of a supposed alien spacecraft and were told that their mission was to reverse engineer the technology.

The program dubbed, quote, Yankee Blue was not real. The photo was a fake. And many officers didn't find that out until way later, if ever. Okay, a lot to unpack in just that. But I think we should watch these clips because what happened is the former deputy director of Arrow who worked under Sean Kirkpatrick and with Sean Kirkpatrick, Timothy Phillips. He retired. He no longer works with Arrow.

He has recently gone on several podcasts to talk about his time with Arrow, what he's discovered, what he learned. He was on that UFO podcast recently with our good buddy, Andy McGillan. He was also on McWest's podcast as well, talking about a lot of different things, how they came to conclusions on certain cases, videos, photos. Very good contrasting interviews. I would highly suggest watching and or listening to both of them to get different perspectives on Mr. Phillips' work. But probably the most controversial interview by Timothy Phillips came from Stephen Green Street at the New York Post, where Stephen kind of elaborates on the Wall Street Journal piece.

what was brought forward and it is now kind of coming to light at least to me that probably one of the major sources of the Wall Street Journal investigation was in fact Sean Kirkpatrick and Tim Phillips. I mean, you'd have to be an idiot to not think that after you watch these clips. So what I'm going to do is play this first clip with you guys. The first one, Tim Phillips talks to Stephen Green Street about, you know, sort of the information that Arrow discovered and whatnot. So I'm going to go ahead and kind of all of this stuff, that everything was fake and that even military people were fooled

and how this all rolls into what's going on now. So I'm going to play the clip and then magically our moderator is going to show up after that. are going to start to discuss all of this guys. So let's go ahead and watch clip one from the Stephen Green Street interview, and we will go from there. Let me go ahead and find it. Here we go. And the classified version of the Arrow Report is the discovery that the U.S. government

was sometimes the source, creator, and promoter of false UFO stories. For example, some of the UFO whistleblowers who claim the government has a secret alien UFO program had actually been exposed to a fake program that was a prank to Hayes new Air Force personnel. I don't think this has gone public yet, but there were some embarrassing things that we discovered. And we had a lot of people, high-ranking people, very, very concerned and very sensitive that it could just bring discredit upon her agency or their service. How so? So what do you mean? Embarrassing how? Well, as you know, there was a false UAP program.

It was an incident that started out in the Air Force. It was an anti-gravity motor that was developed from alien crash retrieval. It was hazing. It was a joke. It wasn't real. Arrow discovered that for decades, the U.S. Air Force had a bizarre hazing ritual. When new people were brought in to manage top secret Air Force offices, they were first given a presentation about a secret program that dealt with UFOs,

and they were shown images of what the presenters claimed was alien technology. You would have knocked your socks off to look at the alien space and the craft. The way they did it was a Hollywood-produced stuff. It was great. But Arrow discovered that the images in the whole world, program was fake, a prank, and part of a hazing ritual. What happened is for decades, you probably had thousands of officers who never knew that was a fake sap, and it got out into the wild. It was you had a generation of officers that were briefed into this UFO exploitation program

and didn't know it was just a joke or hazing. Philip says he interviewed many of these officers who had never been told that what they saw was fake. Some of them still remained scared to death. I'll tell you from talking to some of the witnesses, there was real fear, you know, that what they saw or observed, they would be harmed if they shared that with us. Now, they were scared to death and paranoid about, and we're just trying to understand. and the truth. And these people had sincere beliefs that there was some covert black cop, you know, that if they revealed the truth about aliens, then someone's going to go out there and eliminate them. So some of these witnesses. That was real. These witnesses are coming to you

in their heart of hearts convinced that they've seen something alien and in their heart of hearts convinced truly that they were risking their lives talking to you guys. Some individuals, yes. Philip says he had to take this damning discovery to the director of national intelligence, Averill Haynes. And she said, Tim, he says, could this, you know, fake sap be the basis for this persistent urban myth that the government has recovered and reverse engineered alien technology? She said, have you done a damage assessment? How many people believe that to be true? And I said, ma'am, I don't know, but we estimate thousands. After Phillips sounded the alarm, the Pentagon ordered the Air Force to shut down this bizarre hazing ritual in 2023. Arrow wanted to include this shocking discovery in their public report, but the Air Force requested that they hold off.

It was ultimately not included. A Pentagon spokesperson acknowledged that, quote, Arrow had uncovered evidence of fake classified program materials relating to extraterrestrials and stated this information would be included in Arrow's next public report. But these pranked and hazed Air Force officials weren't the only victims of fake UFO images produced and promoted by the government. U.S. citizens were also targeted with government UFO disinformation. The government created fake UFO images to trick the public into thinking what they were seeing in the sky was alien, and not actually their top secret aircraft.

I don't think this has gone public yet, but there was a lot of misbehavior by our government. Early on, we built these UFO cover stories to protect what we were really doing. Okay. Oh, boy, the chat is going. The chat is going. Do you guys remember when the first Arrow report came out? And people were angry because the United States Air Force was like the only branch of the military

and basically the only group that Arrow went to that was completely silent and refused to give any information about what was going on. Could this have been one of the reasons why that they were so unbelievably you know, got their hand caught in the cookie jar situation

that they had been hazing people that they had been pranking people, that they'd been faking, UFO photos, videos, telling all these new recruits or people in the intelligence agencies, yeah, yo, dude, we've got the craft. Big Bobby Lazar is telling the truth. Nine of them. Sports models, reverse engineering, deep black up.

You talk about this. You are dead. I don't know. here's the problem and I want to talk about this with Suzanne this is one man talking about this for now

Tim Phillips so we just have his word on this none of us have seen the classified briefing by arrow where this information is allegedly documented names are named names are named yeah that makes sense I guess

But, yeah. Oh, there's so much we can talk about. So, so much. Let's bring her in. We have more clips to show. The next clip, I do want to sort of preface it, so Suzanne knows what's coming up after. They talk about some of these programs and things they did. And again, this is an Arrow that's doing all of this.

Arrow investigated it. And they're the ones bringing it forward. So it's kind of one of these don't shoot the messenger sort of things. But at the same time, the article in the Wall Street Journal did not source anybody. So it's kind of this like feedback loop of uncertainty and ambiguity. And trust me, bro mentality. Which we're used to at this point, right guys?

I mean, that's literally what we live off of. Don't want to a lot of the time, but it's just the reality of the situation. But let's go ahead and bring Suzanne in and get her thoughts. So I'm going to say right now, behave in the chat. Hold it down for us, guys, while she comes in, because I know she's going to have a lot to talk about when it comes to part one of the Wall Street Journal coverage, maybe a little bit about what Tim Phillips said in this first clip. And we will talk about part two of the Wall Street Journal that dropped. but let's get through part one first with these next few clips with Suzanne.

Here we go, the one and only Suzanne Landers coming in hot like a pilot scene, a flying rectangle. What is up? Hi, everybody. Well, I'm agitated beyond belief. That's how things are. Yeah? Yeah, I'm so agitated over this whole Wall Street Journal thing. Why?

Why? I'm here to go on. I'm here. I'm mad. I'm mad. Sit on the therapy. couch, relax, have yourself some, I don't know, some herbal tea and tell us why you're upset. I'm so mad. I was up half the night stewing around about this. I know. We were texting all night

about it. I know. I know. Sorry about that. Anyway, I think based on this first clip we've watched, where I would like for everybody to think a minute is basic critical thought concept. What does this piece of information? What does this video mean in the enormous scheme of data that we have? So put it in context, put it in perspective. They have taken this tiny little sliver of a tiny little sliver that's part of a tiny little sliver of enormous data. And they have come to this conclusion. And let me add this concept to, and I think it's probably why.

I'm agitated. The way that you prove to me that I cannot trust you as a lawyer is to tell me that you are a liar. Tell me, you're a liar. And then turn around and tell me, but now I'm telling the truth. You know, now I'm telling the truth. No, no, no, no. That's not going to work that way on its own two feet. It may in fact be true.

But right now, no way. Not going to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, you know, okay, you're coming forward and telling us that all of this has been fake for 70 plus years, that it's all a mask for top secret military projects and development. But it's like, okay, so in that, you're, you basically just lied to us and have been lying for a really long time. But now we're going to be a liar.

And you've proved to me now that you're a liar. Right. And this just, the hypocrisy kills me, Suzanne, because it's. It brings me back to 2017 when all of these older UFO researchers were whispering in my ear, don't go down this path with these intelligence people. Do not believe them. And look, I'm not having some big awakening right now or revelation. Like, I'm not an idiot.

I know that a lot of these intelligence people that have come forward that have said that they've been read into programs. and this and that. I know most of them are full of shit, to be completely honest. But I don't believe all of them are. I do not. I just simply do not. And that comes from no like, you know, inside baseball information. That comes from no documentation that I've seen that no one else has. It comes from a gut feeling. And some people might not put any, you know, stock into that. That's fine. But there are people like Matthew Roberts, I believe, Immaculate Constellation, where that dude is terrified for his life. Clearly.

And Tim Phillips even said that in that first clip that these people, and I'm not saying Matthew Roberts was pranked, but let's say this is true. Let's say that Immaculate Constellation was part of an elaborate scheme to kind of make some of these people think that this has to do with aliens or stuff like that. That does not take away from the fact that this man now carries that burden on his shoulders of this information that he still believes and is terrified for his life.

That will cause drastic, drastic psychological issues for that individual. The same with David Grush as well. All of them. I think of Kevin Day. I worry about that fellow to this day. He almost ended his own life over this garbage. Love that guy. You know, the consequences.

And then the lawyer in me says, if you have based these guys in DAs, on falsehood, let's tear them up and go for it. Let's tear them up and give them a good, strong legal test. And I know just the group who can help with that. Fabulous group of military background lawyers and litigators that I am lucky enough to participate in, ready to talk about it. So I just think they've opened, they've closed one door, tried to, and open bigger, scarier doors from a legal perspective. Bingo. And our good friend Ryan Graves is actually going to talk about that point you made later when we get some reactions to the Wall Street Journal articles from individuals kind of in the UFO sphere, as it were. He brings that up of like, I don't think what is the serve. It's like, I don't think this means what you think it means. I don't think this is going to achieve what you think it's going to achieve. I'm right there with him. But yeah, yeah. We'll see. We'll see.

Interesting in history to look back on this day and how we evaluate this move in five or ten more years. Right. Exactly. Okay. So they kind of this first clip, they break down what the Wall Street article was and that this, you know, let's get the main argument out there that the United States Air Force particularly have been lying to the public, has been making stuff up all in an effort to, um, muddy the waters and distract people from what's really going on. They give an interesting example of this in this next clip. So I'm going to go ahead and play this,

and we'll talk a little bit about it on the other side. Sound good? Good. Cool. All right, give me a sec, guys, to upload this. Here we go. The Arrow found that the military at Area 51 created UFO images that were then leaked to UFO believers in the public

for the purpose of muddying the waters and concealing non-alien top secret aircraft at Area 51. I was present in the skiff when we had a retired Air Force flag officer who worked out at Area 51, was asked by force protection to provide a portfolio of photos of traditional alien UFOs operating being filmed at Area 5. Area 51 and he delivered them to one of the UFO bars outside the gate on the east side. Because tourists were often going to Area 51 to look for UFOs, the U.S. Air Force planted fake alien spaceship photos at various tourist locations outside the base. They wanted people to think what they saw above Area 51 was alien and not the real top secret project that was being tested.

We actually did that. Many years ago, our government did that. Okay, so that's an example right there. I find it interesting. How do I get this blank screen off? There we go. I find that interesting because I've been to that little alien. I've seen you.

Yes, I remember. You set me photos. So you know, like you go in there and it's just the walls are covered with photos. It's so cool. Like talk about a UFO mecca. I wish I could go back there. maybe someday. But it is creepy,

it is creepy. Yeah, 10 miles out, your GPS and your cell service goes dead. Your maps and your our dashboards go totally blank and no data at all. They know you're coming. I know.

I think you sent me the photos and you were like, if you don't hear from me in the next hour, come get me. Yeah, you know where I am. The little alien. Look up. I might say, look up. Yeah.

They have a really good flying saw. our hamburger there. Oh, that's what I had. It was so good. I still think about that hamburger. Me too. Memories. But, you know, that plays in to all of this. Now, we are pursuers of truth. We are clearly interested in the UFO topic. Anyone who goes to Area 51 or the little alien clearly has a want to believe in this stuff. That there are aliens, that the government is covering it up, that some of it's out there at Area 51. And now under this investigation by Arrow, we're learning that,

ooh, man. That they're liars. They're liars that they were planting this stuff there. Like this, this just like opens all of the floodgates. So was that like part of the whole thing with Lizar? Like was he a useful idiot? Was he in on it?

Was it real? Opens all those questions. Oh, man. Yeah. What a stupid concept. And stupid is a word we just don't use in my family, but I'm using it today. What a stupid concept. We're going to fly these secret things we have all over the planet and everybody can see them. And then we're going to make up this really stupid story about what it actually is not. And then we're going to like put it on the wall at the little alien and that takes care of that. I don't understand the logic behind this stuff. Me either. If you're telling people or trying to convince people that it's alien,

that's going to make more people go out there and look for it. You bought more trouble. And I will tell you and our audience what I used to tell young lawyers when I was training them, which was if it doesn't make sense, information's missing, A piece of your puzzle is missing. And that's how I feel about this Wall Street journal thing, is that I don't know what the motive is. I don't see what the motive is.

It will come clear in time. In time, yeah. There may be some lawsuits between point A and point B. Oh, man, that's the second time you brought. He's a brave enough boy to go do it, right? It looks like Suzanne is flexing those litigious muscles to know. You're mad and she's not going to take it. Okay. So this next clip, I think, is where things are going to get a little controversial.

Now, one of the poster boys for a lot of this stuff would be someone like David Grush, but even more would be someone like Luis Elizanda, who is going to play a larger role in part two of the Wall Street Journal, Expoise that we'll get to. but I want people to keep these names and faces in mind with this next clip because this talks about the agencies and the people who have come forward to say that they know about these programs. They've reverse engineered alien technology. And Phillips has kind of an interesting, perhaps even condescending response to that. But I'd like to hear what you think. But yeah, let's go ahead and play it. and we'll break this one down.

Here we go. Clip 3, New York Post, Green Street and Tim Phillips, former deputy director of Arrow. Here we go. All military UFO whistleblowers claim to have just seen photos or videos of UFOs. Some of the military officials interviewed by Arrow claimed they actually saw alien spacecraft with their own eyes at top secret military bases.

What we discovered is often these people were not read into the programs. They had secondhand knowledge or they were lawfully present at a test site. The guy was a forklift operator. He looks off and he sees something amazing and based off their education, okay, their life experience and their personal beliefs, you see that amazing demonstration of a new technology, and depend on your background, you could make the assumption that it wasn't invented by humans. Philip says the descriptions of alien craft from multiple military witnesses ended up matching

top secret human-made aircraft being tested by the military. Their descriptions were amazing. They were right on. And then when we would go back to the historical archive and get the test director and look at the video or read the report, It was amazing. And I understand why they would leap to those conclusions. But those technologies and amazing capabilities were designed by Americans and built, manufactured, and flown by Americans. Philip says he was able to go to Area 51 and witness these top secret aircraft himself after concerns that the secret of their existence had leaked to the public.

We thought there was a compromise of what our national security program, the sixth generation aircraft. And this very, very senior senator says, look, I want you to research this. This really concerns me. And he had asked me if I had been out to Nevada to the Nevada test site. So we went through. I got read into the Air Force Saps dealing with new advanced spacecraft and aircraft, went out there.

And some of these things we have, if you just, a guy off the street, got out there and saw these things fly or touched one in a hangar. My God, they looked like Klingon deschips. Absolutely amazing. And you're saying that that sums up a lot of what these whistleblowers have actually seen. Oh, is, right? Exactly. Okay.

So condescending. Put it in this perspective. as a way to think about it. Think, Ryan, of your own huge volume of witness accounts. How many witness accounts have you taken over the course of your career doing this? And even Tim Phillips, maybe in the next clip, says something like, well, an insignificant number, maybe 40% of these objects seen are still unexplained. Well, first of all, 40% is not statistically insignificant.

That 40% is not insignificant. And it is a tiny, again, piece of an enormous puzzle that you hold hundreds and hundreds of pieces of all by yourself, all by yourself. And that's just me. And that's just you. Think of all the other researchers and people throughout the decades. Think of it this way. So they've told him they lied and that they're liars and that they're propagandist. But they're not lying to him.

they're not using him in the propaganda. It may be true, but stupid, it's the only word I get. Well, and that's the problem with what's going on right now. We have no sourcing in the Wall Street Journal article. We have this interview drop with Stephen Green Street, which I do urge people to watch it. Because I think if this is true, it is groundbreaking. It is. And it's important not to stay in the echo chamber on our end. You need to hear, listen, and think critically about other positions. And this is one. And so even though I'm making a little fun, my lines of thought are important, right?

In terms of how to go about thinking about this. And they should be doing the same thing. Right. Right. That's what kind of irks me is the definitive nature of kind of what Ted, excuse me, Tim Phillips is saying, like, we this, that, the guy, the forklift operator, he doesn't know, he doesn't know. He probably thinks it's alien. Like, that may be true to an extent, but it's like, come on, man.

Like, that forklift operator is probably the most intelligent forklift operator you can think of who was contracted by Area 51. Like, come on, come on. And it's not like you have to hold some clearance to have one of these experiences, as we will, you know, And it's not an intelligence question. It is, it's an experience question. So it's just so dismissive and condescending.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Like, okay, let's watch the last clip. Okay. Because, like, I have feelings. I know you do too. But, okay, the last clip is Phillips stressing that not all of what Arrow investigated led to fakes. lies in disinformation, which is what you literally just said.

Like if a percentage is real, then that kind of negates this idea that all of it was faked and this, that, this, that. There were legitimate unknowns investigated by Arrow. There probably are still up until today. I mean, that's not even an argument. There are. Kozlowski, is that his name? The new guy.

Kozlowski. Yeah, he said as such. So yeah, let's go ahead and watch this last clip, break it down. And then we'll get to part two of the Wall Street Journal thing. Ready. That just dropped last night. Okay, here is our last clip from the New York Post. In Stephen Green Street.

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And we want to know what it is. And we're taking every step to understand that phenomenon. Well, Tim, maybe it's aliens. Well, again, until we have evidence, I'm not going to go there. There are, you know, there's some phenomenas out there that we just don't understand. You know, especially have you heard of the fiery orbs? Oh, yeah. That when we start seeing like a corona or a discharge, a plasma discharge,

and when we've had some of these really, really strange events, from the reports of the security personnel on site, these devices attempted to, they're attempting to conceal themselves. In one case, when a truck from Mainside was coming out onto the range, this device stopped, hovered, went off the road and turned its frigging lights off.

Now, to me, that tells me there's a human in the loop or on the loop. because it was an alien that could care less. That's not what happened, okay? Now, there's some strange stuff going on there. Out of all the cases you saw and observed, what was the one that confused you the most and still confuses you? That you're just not sure what the heck. What was it that something that struck you is particularly strange?

You know, the black triangles. Seriously? The black triangles, yeah. Black triangles. are a common description of reported UFOs. Within the UFO community, there are many popular stories about spooky black triangles performing in paranormal ways. In fact, I myself saw a black triangle UFO in 2003, and it was pretty impressive.

And obviously, the military has their own flying black triangles that at one point they tried to keep secret. But Philip says the black triangles he saw. concerned him. He thinks they could be high-tech aircraft being flown by a foreign adversary. There were some reports from credible people where they saw something and they saw a flying vehicle triangular in shape. You know, just good performance coming off at, not a huge acoustic sound.

not a lot of heat picking up. They can pick off their flares. I want to know what it is because I think it's a an adversary, you know, capability. I think it comes from this world, not aliens. And when we got reports to the black triangles, that's something that really pricks my ears and I want to know more.

With these black triangles, though, on your end, are you looking at them? Are you looking at photos, videos, or are you just reading a report? All of the above. Seriously. Yeah. A little bit of everything.

Yeah, there are things that we, like I said, there's a small percentage of the cases that we have unusual, you know, flight characteristics and performance or anomalies that we don't understand. And that's where you have that there's potentially disruptive technology or emerging technology that we need to understand. There are some spooky things and places they shouldn't. be what performs characteristics that we couldn't duplicate today. So what is it? I don't know what it is, but we're going to find out. Wow. Well, I don't know what's scarier if it's China or it's Martians, you know? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, again, 40% is not statistically insignificant to me. It's huge. It's huge. It is an enormous number, you know, and then this might be a good time, to talk about Chris Mellon's tweet from either yesterday or the day before, but I think it was the day

before. I don't remember if I sent this to you. It's one piece of paper you did not have to receive. Here's what he says. Regarding the Wall Street Journal article, every American should know that their government has confirmed the reality of UAPs. Specifically, U.S. officials responsible for analyzing thousands of military UAP reports submitted to the Pentagon have acknowledged, knowledge data confirming the presence of intelligently controlled vehicles exhibiting technological capabilities that we do not understand and cannot replicate. These are not explicitly secret U.S. aerospace platforms. The Department of Defense has long been aware of the Air Force's disinformation program described by the Wall Street Journal, and clearly it has not altered their assessment

of the UAP reality. So what then is the real significance of the Wall Street Journal story and why would a front page article on UAP fail to mention the U.S. government's official position conveying instead an impression directly contrary to the facts? I can't say it to me better. Exactly. Yeah, that's a good point. And I think someone in our reactionary videos I'm going to play does bring that up that like,

but the government. government said UFOs are real. And now you're... Right. And now the military saying UFOs are not real. So what's the motivation? All this is for me is ask the next question again, right? Again, you know, we get five questions answered.

And then we have 20 more questions. Right. I feel like I'm like... Yeah. To me, it's like we're in a lecture hall in college. And two professors show up to give the same lesson. and they're both talking at the same time and contradicting each other. And both are saying, I, I'm the one you should listen to.

I'm the one you should listen to. Class dismissed. And you're just left. What the? I don't know. I know. What just happened? It is chaos.

It's chaos making. What is good? I'm going to go smoke a doby. That's what I'm going to go get wasted with my voice. I'm just going to use more stupid 42 times. Instead of listening to the military and the government argue over if UFOs are real. It's too late, guys. You already told us they are.

Yeah. That ship sailed. That ship has sailed for sure. Exactly. Thanks for bringing up that melon. Thanks for bringing up the melon tweet. I forgot about that. Yeah.

So should we play the reactionary videos? Because I think there's some good things that were highlighted that we can play off of with that. Absolutely. These came out after the first article from the Wall Street Journal came out. So keep that in mind when we cover part two in just a few moments here. And then that's it, I promise, guys. Let's see here. The first one is going to be, we're going back to the Napster and the Jeremy four names.

And they talk a little bit with Cuomo over at News Nation about the Wall Street Journal and sort of the contradictory nature of the art. And again, I need to stress this isn't about the authors of the article. It's not. Like they were reporting. They did an investigation. This is what they discovered. They were doing their jobs as journalists.

Even George Knapp has come out and said, these are very good journalists. I may not agree with a lot of what they're saying. But they do good work. So yeah, I don't think any hate should be sent towards the journalists for this article or these articles. even if you disagree with them vehemently or think they're like, I don't know, exposing individuals or whatnot, they did their reporting, let it stand on its own. And now let's see the responses to it. Yes. And use critical thinking when talking and thinking about it.

Just give it to them just because they've said it and they have positions of power. Yeah. And it's hard to because I know a lot of people will also say like, all these journalists were clearly like told to write this. or they were bought out or blah, blah, blah, operation mockingbird. Like, we could talk about all that stuff till the end of time, but all of it is conspiracy theory until proven.

Put it in context and keep critical thought rolling. Boom. Okay. So let's hear what these guys had to say about the Wall Street Journal article. Nap and Corbell. Okay, here we go. Tools at their disposal.

We've seen some of it come out in the last couple of days in National Media Academy. that muddy the waters, that confuse the public. They've admitted what we've all known for a long time, that they've lied to the American public, that they've lied to Congress. Now we know they've lied to their own military personnel, made up stories, propaganda. It's disgraceful.

But now a lot of it is out in the open, so I would call that progress. It's way more sinister than that. It's not just that they don't think that they need to tell the truth. They're intentionally muddying the waters with nimbled. misinformation and disinformation. If you looked at the ridiculous and sinister Wall Street Journal report, then we're supposed to believe that we didn't need a Manhattan project to win the war. We didn't need the Apollo mission to put us into space because this is all some sort of government cover up. The new conspiracy, Chris, is that UFOs are not real. That's the new conspiracy,

the baseless conspiracy. George, what do we need to know? Well, one thing we know is they're never going to give this up. I mean, it's pretty clear. recent reports that have been issued by Arrow and now the repeated media statements by the former Arrow staffers. There's nothing to it. There's no information. There's no proof. It's stuff that we made up. It's disinformation that we spread out there. We created the story about Area 51. We created the story about nukes being disabled. That's all us. All the technology that people have been seeing in the skies around the world on every culture, every culture, every continent throughout human history. That's us. It's preposterous.

It's ridiculous. There's no way we could ever accept it. But Arrow has made it clear. They're not going to give this up. They're not even giving it up to Congress. I admire the people who've been pushing the ball down the field in Congress, but they've been manipulated on this topic as well. There's always something more pressing for members of Congress, for the public.

You know, a job, your mortgage payment, your family, bills for Congress. There's Ukraine. There's Gaza. There's the stuff in L.A. that's unfolding right now. Always something more pressing. and UFOs. So the people who tell these lies, get away with it. Okay. While I might not agree with everything Corbell and Knapp say some really good points

were made in that clip. Corbell saying... You're putting it in context too, aren't they? They're moving it into the right direction. Especially with the work that they've done and the things they've uncovered, whether you like it or not, like they are putting, what would be the right term? they're putting the government's feet to the fire and saying, you said this, however, we just got this video that contradicts that. Or every time we put out something, you put out something similar and say that you explained it. And it's just like this constant battle.

Whatever. Fight on, guys. Do what men do. Carry on. Who was it, Ryan, who said, give up on getting the government to do technical disclosure. You're wasting your energy, waiting for the. them to tell you the truth on this. You know your truth. Take the witness accounts. Follow the

data. Do that. And this is a perfect example of that concept. Yeah. Two other things that I really like, Knapp saying like the military is lying to their own officers. Like then why the hell would we believe any of what they're saying? Exactly. And I hadn't seen that clip until just now. I don't know how I missed it, but I did. But I couldn't set it better myself. That's exactly. what they're doing. You're just showing us that you are a liar on multiple levels, but now you're telling the truth. Right. They're trying to clear their collective conscience right now. No way. It's just, no way. I don't get it. I don't get it. The last thing that Knapp said that I think is very important, and we have kind of touched on this is the global aspect to the UFO phenomenon. Right. Like this is all under our domain. Yep. This is an American story, this Wall Street Journal thing. This is about Americans, lying to Americans about UFOs and lying to their own American military officers. So we have to keep in mind this is a global.

Makes you wonder if they're liars. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. You know, all that to say, like, you brought up the word motivation a lot. Like, I understand that there are, what's the term? shell, like a shell game or whatever, like something to mask something else. I understand that like, yes, our adversaries, we misinformed them all the time.

And other, and adversaries misinform us. We're going to talk about that in part two of the Wall Street Journal in just a minute. So like, I understand kind of the motivation. And I, I can buy a lot of what was said in these Wall Street articles. Street Journal articles. What I can't buy is people coming out and saying, this is it, all of it. This explains everything. That's just such a, it's almost as bad as the hardcore believers using no logic or critical thinking to then also say, you know, that this explains everything. The government faked everything. It was all a mask. Yes. And if that's what has happened, think about people.

like Eric Davis and Lakatsky. Remember from the Soul Foundation, Eric Davis talking about Lakatsky going into a craft and finding no visible means of propulsion or control. Think about how deep this scan would have to go. And a lot of this came out, was it how put off who was helping Bush to decide, was it time to disclose that we were not alone in it?

Yeah, that was mentioned in Part of 2004. And really, an American president is about to disclose the existence of other beings in our world. And we have this whole thing going on, and it was put off opinion, we're not ready. We're not ready. Don't do this right now. Stock markets will collapse. Governments will fall, blah, blah. So just think of the depth of deception all the way to the top of the American government,

if what is in this article is true. Yeah, it's like everything crumbles. It's all fictional. Yeah, crazy. Fusi Electron said Dolan's take on the article was spot on. What was his take? Yeah, tell us. Yeah, I'd like to know what his take was because, again, I know not all people here are probably fans of Richard Dillon.

But I've had him on the show in the past. From a historical context in standpoint, he has some good insight. on all of this. So yeah, let us know what his take on the article was. This is funny. Fine Cedar says, we lied about the lies, we swear. But the new one, but what we said out. One sentence. Great job, Pine Cedar. You could have saved everybody the last 20 minutes of me by just saying that. I want to make a t-shirt of that. We lied about the lies. We lied about the lies. USAF. I'm thinking an Anamicon t-shirt.

Oh, done. Do you. Oh, good plug, by the way. Yeah. I'll start talking. I'll talk about that at the end. So basically what Ryan Graves brought up is kind of what we were talking about. That like this is not going to do. I think he even said like this is going to have a drastic like contradictory response that I think that the government wants. It's going to make people more interested in looking into the topic. It's going to show that the.

The government, furthermore, cannot be trusted. Exactly. And it's... It's good for me. Yeah. Yeah. And it's only going to put this topic into the forefront yet again, as it always does. So this is not the death of ephology.

It's the Phoenix rising from the ashes yet again. You know, keeping in mind that Ryan Graves is heavily dedicated to this topic with his group. So, you know, he does have stake. in it. But I have to assume he also has experience in it, right? Absolutely. He has the same experience perspective that many of our experiences have or that our researchers have.

And so it probably was not well thought through by the government on how people who are willing to critically think about it would react to it. Yeah, exactly. And basically, Ross Colthart, would go on to elaborate and agree with Ryan Graves that like, yeah, this is like, this is dumb. This is like, I don't know what they were trying to achieve with this, but bring it on, basically, because we have a lot of information to the contrary. So, oh, yeah, that's what Ross brought up.

Like, he literally, I think said, like the individual accounts, I think even said, the witness accounts. And I was like, boom, baby. He's like, these need to be. Exactly. These need to have a place, a voice in all of this. Right. Yeah. It's so nonsensical.

You can't in one breath say 40% of the incidences are inexplicable and unreplicatable. And yet it's all false. I mean, it's nonsensical. So poorly thought through. I know. I know. It really is. I'm going to be mad a minute about it too.

It's going to take a minute for me to get over. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Okay. Well, let's get you even matter. Let's get to part two of the article series that just dropped. So part two of the Wall Street Journal series just dropped again with the same authors. What were their names?

Joel Shechtman and Aruna Wynatha, I believe. Yeah, Vizwanatha, yeah. Okay. And this was some of the highlights. that I extracted from part two. I haven't had as much time to look at it, break it down and focus on it. But these were some of the highlights.

Me either. Me either. I'm showing you my notes. Oh my gosh. There they are, guys. Wait, hold on. I've got no full screen on that, baby. Look at this, guys.

Me either. This is her dedication to somewhere in the live stream. It's obsessive, but it just made me so mad that I had to get my brain on it half the night last night. Oh, man. Also, you're getting so much love in the chat. Oh, good. They're so sweet. Yeah. Yeah. This is so refreshing to have you here. Oh, I'm so glad. Okay. Part two. So they talk a lot about the materials that were tested. Remember the arts parts, the Art Bell brought and has been like handed over to many different agencies, people. The Army. Tom DeLong and Tom DeLong.

and the top of the long had it tested. Did Eric Davis end up with it at some point, I think? Everyone's had their hands on this thing. Everyone but you and me. Arts parts have gotten around. Let's just say that. But yeah, that being said, in 2022, the Pentagon asked Lockheed Martin's secretive skunk works,

which we should mention, is Area 51, to analyze metal allegedly from the night 1947 Roswell crash. The result? It turned out to be a human of human origin, likely World War II era aircraft material and not extraterrestrial. So basically the article is telling us we can put to rest that arts parts have anything to do with an extraterrestrial origin. And that's that. Yeah.

Eric Davis begs to differ. He does. Mm-hmm. He does. we will get to him right now. You're ready? I'm ready. I don't have much on his take on the material.

So let's talk about that in just a moment. I want to talk about this because I found this fascinating. For years, Eric Davis was part of a small group of defense experts who had claimed to know about a top secret program at Lockheed Skunk Works to hoard ET technology that might one day be converted into fearsome weapons. Their claims gained credence in part because, of the siloed nature of the U.S. national security establishment, which can make it almost impossible even for insiders to determine the truth of some of the country's most secretive programs. A couple more paragraphs here, Suzanne.

Sure. When Davis went to talk to Sean Kirkpatrick, he said he knew both about a U.S. ET program and a similar one by Moscow. CIA officials in the late 2000s had asked him to look into a crash. UFO decades earlier in Russia. And he told Kirkpatrick's team about this. In Davis's telling, Moscow was said to be reverse engineering a laser system harvested from the ET vessel, one that could threaten U.S. space assets. The CIA told Sean Kirkpatrick's team that it had no record of Davis being tasked with any

such assignment. But investigators came across another startling tidbit. The information Davis had was real. Covert Russian laser programs. However, Kirkpatrick's team determined the UFO part of the story was likely Russian misinformation designed to throw America off the trail. Well. So what do you think? Here's what I think. I think. I think Eric

Davis had that material tested, and his testing determined that it was not from this planet and that we did not have the ability to replicate that material. So I think we've got to keep that fact in play as we analyze this. Who knows? Clearly, there are tons of stories of Russian-related UAP siting and works and this, that, and the other. And so we don't have any way right now to know whether that's true or not. But I've got my eye on Eric Davis watching what he says and where he's appearing. And I bet we hear from Eric on this topic. Yeah.

I'm looking forward to more responses like that of Chris Mellon. And there were a few others that are escaping me right now. Oh, Robert Salas. Oh, yes. You know, who was featured in the first article. He came out with a huge response open letter or something like that about them saying that his entire event that he saw over the nuclear silos was just an EMP test or something like that. It could be true. It could be true.

We just don't know because all we're getting is arrows like ambiguous claims. We're not seeing the documentation. It's in the classified report. okay, well, cool. Again, we're back to trust me, bro, on both things of the spectrum, whether it's the hardcore believers, the hardcore skeptics, apparently all of us in the middle just have to take their word for it. Yeah, well, that's not going to happen, is it? It's just not going to happen. And I don't know what their motivation is for doing this, as we've talked about. But there has to be one. There is not an absence of a motivation for this type of thing to come out and to drag the Wall Street Journal in. So I find it so interesting that the Wall Street Journal was willing to publish this. Basically, we're liars and we were lying. Now we're telling the truth. So here published this. why did that pass journalistic muster? I don't understand. And I will tell you, Matt Ford, the Good Trouble Show.

Is that his name? Matt Ford? He is after this author, Mr. Schechtman. So anybody who has a few down minutes and wants to get on Twitter, there's a show going on over there with this guy. And what... Is he interviewing him? No, he is tackling his credibility.

kind of line by line, document by document. And I think he went live the same time we went live today. So I'll go back tomorrow and I'll watch whatever he said. If it's something interesting, I'll link it to the Facebook page and you can put it on the Twitter page. But anyway, so I don't know enough about that set of facts to be helpful here today, but we'll know more about this author. And maybe that will answer some of these questions about why in the world. the Wall Street Journal of all publications would go out on this limb. Yeah, when I first heard about part one, I kept telling people like,

like Jane had asked me, she's like, is something going on in the UFO world? I'm seeing some hashtags on Twitter. And I'm like, yeah, the Washington Post just came out with an article. She's like, Washington Post, interesting. And I'm like, oh, wait, no, it was the Wall Street Journal. And then I'm like, why? No, wait.

Yeah, hold on a second. Aren't they known for more like businessy sort of stuff? I mean, it's literally in the name. And they are known also to be very conservative. This does not feel conservative to me. This feels polyanish. Yeah. Polyanish.

I don't know how you say that. But like willing to be used as the tool and the further disclosure of what, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't really. I mean, whatever Matt Ford says, like, that's fine. That's not something I personally

want to watch. Just because I don't think I don't know. It's hard because then you've got like the intercept that went after Grush's credibility. So like I guess the flip the you know the coins on the other end now and maybe we need to look into the authors. I don't know. Questions are just being asked and maybe there's nothing there and but maybe there is. We'll find out. To a degree. Like look into the authors. See what motivated them. Like, where did this article come from? We know Clippenstein over at the Intercept was kind of like had people in his ear saying, write this article.

Exactly. Right this article. In the subpoena. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So maybe that's the case. Maybe Matt Ford is uncovered something with that. But only, like you said, only time will tell. Okay. So we showed the image that is featured on Part 2. And that is of Luis Elizondo. It's kind of cool. I'm not going to lie. The images, the featured images on these Wall Street Journal things, like move. That sounds so caveman and like old of me. Like, oh my God, a moving image. The moving pictures.

Wow. Wow. But it's kind of cool. Like I've never really seen a featured image of an article, like be kind of, not interactive, but in motion. Wow. Yeah, what was the Harry Potter publication? Oh, right. The Wizard magazine.

Yeah, a daily wizard. Oh, that was so cool. I love that. But yeah, it's of Luis Elizondo. So clearly he would have a role in this part two. He did warn people, I think, weeks ago. Like, look, I'm going to be in part two of this article. And just to forewarn you, it's probably not going to be in the best of light.

And I can kind of see why. I feel like he kind of got the short end of the stick. in this article because they were kind of saying that he was shady, I guess, in some ways. Yeah. And maybe less than truthful and things uncovered would negate a lot of the things that he said. Here's one in particular. Luis Elizondo told Sean Kirkpatrick of Arrow that he was, prepared to share with him what he knew of a secret government program that had collected ET biologics.

We haven't heard that word in a little while. Elizondo said he had hard evidence of the UFO findings that he had collected for the Pentagon. Information he had declined to make public citing national security. Where can I find out more about this? Kirkpatrick asked Elizondo. there is a safe in my old office that has all of the files on a hard drive. Elizondo told him. A former colleague at the Pentagon had just confirmed a few days ago that the device was still there. The hard drive was still there in the safe.

So hours after hearing of Elizondo's evidence, agents from the FBI and the Air Force's investigation unit, which I assume is the special investigations unit. I'm guessing. They cordoned the. office off and gathered with a drill to break open the safe. As they approached it, they realized the drawer wasn't actually locked. And when they opened it, they found yet another surprise. The safe was that.

It was empty. B, bum, bum. Well, shocker, right? Did someone take it? Or was there never a hard drive with all of this information, as Elizondo stated, was this all an elaborate ruse. Like, what do you make of the? This is so mission impossible.

It is. And as Kirkpatrick, the cog in the wheel of the who took it part? You know, that's a bizarre to me that the minute he learns of this, they're cordoning off the office and drilling in if they, you know, and it's just unlocked and gone. I don't get it. I don't get it. But, you know, liar's going to lie. Gamer's going to game.

So one more piece of the lying puzzle. Don't hate the player, hate the game, baby. That's right. But like, this reminds me of when supposedly the hard drives were taken off of the, I don't know, the Princeton or wherever the Tick-Tac event happened. Right. And the radar tracking. Yeah. Is that Minutes or Princeton?

I can't remember. One of the two. I want to see the Princeton. I don't remember. It's been too long. But yeah, they said that like dudes came on. And like took, took the things. They can watch at that.

Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. I'm sure something similar happened here. But see, now I want to know how they knew what Kirkpatrick heard, you know, from Elizondo. Yeah. It is clear to me that the sources of this article were members of Arrow. It could have even just been Kirkpatrick and Tim Phillips.

That's it. Yeah. Who knows? Could be. Look at Pat Gallagher's comment. They're panicking now and desperate to disprove everything because they know the net is closing in on their secrecy. Oh, interesting. Also, nice ghost T-shirt.

I've just become a fan of that band through a mutual friend in Nova Scotia. Really good music. Kind of metal, metal music, if anyone likes that out there. That's what Pat loves. Or that's what he's got on his Facebook page. I love it. Love it, Pat. Love it.

But that is a really good point. Like there might be, maybe some big revelation is about to unfold and they're playing damage control and trying to disprove everything to try to, I don't know. Exactly. And I have to wonder about whether things like the Skywatcher group connected with ProPixel and all the analytics going on there and their ability to summon via dog whistle, the orbs, all that work, they've lost control. of the research at this point in my mind. The same thing is going on, love it or hated at Skinwalker Ranch, and the data is rolling in, including the episode. I don't watch it often, but I happen to watch it this week,

behind Skinwalker Ranch, or I can't remember what the beyond Skinwalker Ranch, where they eat some more testing and tell you a little more. So I do have this sense to that point, that they have lost control. of the narrative around the research and the research itself. And Skywalker and ProPixel have zillions of followers watching every video they release. So, you know, it does have a feeling of desperation to it. I don't know if it's related to that, but that has to be playing part.

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I've been ghosts for the past three months. Now I'm back to UFOs and it seems like things are getting interesting in the UFO field. I'm going to feel the pace picking up too. Right. Like is there another congressional hearing in the making? What is going to happen next? don't know. Nobody knows that it's going to be interesting for sure. We're here for it. We're here for it. That's going to do it for the Wall Street Journal articles.

I will go to the poll right now. Of course. And a nomicon. I got you. I got you. All right. Thank you. You are the best. Hi, everybody. Okay. I will. Oh, Suzanne, where can they find you? Oh, on Facebook, Suzanne Westerman Landers on Twitter, see Suzanne Landers. Twitter, you may want to avoid because I do a lot of ranting there. Facebook is safer and more substantive. So follow me in one of those places. Awesome. Awesome.

Yes, guys, give her a follow. And thank you again for all of your incredible work on the show tonight. I truly appreciate it. I'll let you go back into the wild with the chat. Right. We'll talk soon. Bye. Thank you, Suzanne.

All right, guys. Wow, what a show. We're going over two hours. So we got to end this. You guys got stuff to do. I got to get ready for bed. But thank you. Thank you for being with us tonight.

This is a fascinating show. Let me go to our start stuff to make sure I'm not forgetting anything. This is your last chance. If you want to get in any last super chats or super sickers to help out the show, we truly do appreciate that. If you can't do that, you can always check out our Patreon campaign where we do bonus episodes, early access to the podcast, priority to ask our guests, your listener questions, and we have some interesting guests

coming up soon on the show, one of which I booked today, so I can't wait. You can learn more about that at patreon.com slash somerskies. All the links to that stuff is in the show notes as well. So yeah, you can get those in right now if you would like, guys. Hello to Nisa. Thanks so much for being here, as always, making them donuts. Love it, love it. Robert says excited to hear there was a live show won't miss it for the world.

Robert, thank you, buddy. I love that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Great time. Thanks, guys. Donnie says.

Maureen says, thank you, Ryan and Suzanne. You guys rock. Kurt says, catch you soon. Thank you. Thank you for that. But before we go, guys, we have a brand new episode. Nice hat, Suzanne. I know what they say.

We have a brand new episode premiering in just a couple hours with the one, the only professional weirdo, John E. L. Tenney. We had a fascinating discussion that has a lot to do with what's going on today. So be sure to check that out on all podcast feeds in the coming hours. It is already available on YouTube. I accidentally scheduled the release of it a day early. So you guys got that a day early. It's almost like being a Patreon subscriber without being a Patreon subscriber.

Oops. something got messed up. I think I set the release while I was still in Nova Scotia. I don't know. Who cares? It's up there. It's right here on YouTube if you're watching on YouTube right now. But let's go to the poll.

I did ask you guys since this has to do with everything we talked about tonight. The question was, do you believe the Pentagon faked all of the UFO programs and evidence? Let me refresh just to make sure I have the most up to date. Okay. So our options were, do you believe the Pentagon faked all the UFO programs and evidence? The options were yes, no, some of it and much more important things are going on right now. So 18% of you believe yes, they did fake all of the UFO programs and evidence. 44% of you said no.

39% of you said some of it and 0% of you said much more important things are going on right now. Interesting, because there are very important things going on in the world right now, very scary things. So, yeah, just thoughts and prayers to everyone dealing with everything going on in the world right now. The world's never perfect, but right now is a little scary. So, yeah, hoping, praying for peace in any way, shape, and form with all the things going on. But here we are in our little safe UFO bubble. And many of you believe that, no, not all of the stuff is faked, which is unquestionably true. There is a core UFO phenomenon that has nothing to do with the creation by the United States military and intelligence agencies.

It's a global phenomenon. It continues to touch the lives and the hearts, the souls, the minds, the minds, of millions of people around the world. And that is something that the United States government can never take from us or you. So remember that, no matter what happens next. Remember that. So thank you.

Thank you guys for voting in the poll. Thank you for joining us tonight. Do I have anything else? Ah, one more thing. It's whatever. Rate and review the podcast on Spotify. What is that? Oh, yes. I got you. Thank you, Suzanne. Thank you. I got to learn to read lips. I really do. First and foremost, guys, if you could do me a very big favor, head on over to Apple and Spotify and rate and review the summer in the skies podcast.

You know, we've been going for over 400 episodes now, and things are good. Things are going really well. But they could always be better. So if you could, rate and review. view on these two large platforms, I would certainly appreciate it. And last but not least, Anamicon 2025 will be coming to you guys on September 20th. Jane's doing a little dance. Yes, she's in the room. I know she's a very private person and we will keep it that way. I respect the hell out of her for that.

But she's doing the Anamacon dance. September 20th, maybe 21st as well. I don't know. Yeah, I know, Suzanne. She's cracking up. I do this every year. I say it's going to get smaller. It's going to be eight speakers.

It's going to be one day. That's not happening. It may still be one day, but it's going to be a long-ass day. And I cannot wait. We have incredible speakers this year, of which I've already booked and confirmed. You can head on over to anomicon.com.

dot com. We have some of our speakers up there already. Just click the Anamicon 2020 link or tab and you can see who our speakers will be with many more to come. We have some awesome promotional stuff being done for Anamacon by the one and only Jason McClellan. So that'll be premiering soon as well. Our composer of our official Anamicon music will be joining us this year as a speaker. So I'm super excited about that. We've got Polaris Castillo doing incredible artwork as well for Anamicon. You can see that right now at Anamicon.com.

So a lot to look forward to guys. No matter what happens with all of this Wall Street Journal stuff and in the UFO field, we will always have a Navicon. What have I created the monster? But that's going to do it. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to be here next week.

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But that's going to do it for tonight. long-ass live stream, but I hope you enjoyed it. Awesome stuff. Go check out Whalesetti. That is so cool. I firmly believe we're going to communicate with aliens through the methods that whales use. I'm going with that. Everything else not happening.

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