Somewhere in the Skies - Reggie Watts: Presidents, Lifeforms, and UFOs

Episode Date: September 18, 2022

On episode 283 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we welcome Reggie Watts! Watts is band leader for The Late Late Show with James Corden, and is a highly accomplished comedian, actor, beatboxer, and musician. He is also one of the only people to ask two former U.S. presidents about UFOs on national television! We break down his viral interviews with Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Do Watts believe they know more than they're letting on? We then dive super deep into what UFOs could be, why the term "alien" should be replaced by "life form", and what role consciousness may play in the grand scheme of the UFO mystery. Follow Reggie Watts on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/reggiewatts Ryan is now on Cameo! Book your video today at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan’s book in paperback, ebook, or audiobook: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Read Ryan’s Articles by CLICKING HERE Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at: https://bit.ly/3rJpbd7 Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2022 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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with Ryan Sprague. Welcome, guys, to Somewhere in the Skies. And we have a very, very special guest joining us today on the show. For any of you who watch the late, late show in the United States, or possibly Comedy Bang Bang, one of my favorite shows as well, you will know him. He is a musician, a vocalist, a beatboxer, an improviser. But you might also know him from the UFO world.

you'll know him as the person who asked two former U.S. presidents about UFOs, literally a dream for any of us in this UFO world. And he actually did it. So we're going to talk all about those interviews with two former U.S. presidents. His thoughts and theories on UFOs, aliens and all that stuff, and about his music as well. So let's not waste any more time. I'm going to bring him in right now. Here he is, guys, Reggie Watts. welcome to somewhere in the skies. It's just good to be back. Thank you. Thanks.

Yeah, thanks for having me. Of course, man. I love that. I love that. That was very ominous. What a way to start a UFO podcast. I want to know, first and foremost, before we even get to these interviews you did with Obama and with Clinton,

what got you interested in UFOs? What made you ask those questions on television? Do you have kind of a story about what got you into this topic or what made you curious about asking about UFOs? Yeah, give us the origin story if you don't mind on that. Well, I mean, with Obama, he was on and it was during the period right after the Pentagon released all the footage from the Navy. I think it was just all Navy footage, but all that with the Tic Tac and the Go Fast and all that stuff. So they just released all that. And he was on the show, you know, obviously not in the building, but on the screen.

And I asked him, well, I had a feeling about asking about extraterrestrials for sure. But then, like, I think the guy who takes care of our band, the guy who kind of like gets stuff for a band or whatever, Morgan Bender, he was like, oh, you should ask him about UFOs or whatever. But I was kind of like bummed because I was like, I was already going to ask him. And I didn't want someone to be like, I took credit for asking for that. You know, whatever. It's fun. But I was going to ask him anyways. And so when it came time, I just kind of was like, oh, you know, how about them aliens or whatever?

And I was just genuinely interested. It was kind of a lighthearted question. I wasn't expecting him to answer sincerely in the way that he does. Because I guess Obama had never answered that question before. So that was kind of an interesting moment. I didn't think about that at all. I was just like, I'm going to ask him this question. I expect him probably to be shifty and whatever, like how politicians do it.

But he just answers straight up. I love that he was just, you know, and I was like, sick. So that was a great response. And then I didn't expect it to get as big of a reaction online. Obviously, people, the UFO community or the UAP community, obviously is like lived in the shadows and is like a weird borderline community because there's a whole spectrum of people involved in this community, right? And there are diehard people.

There are people with personal experiences. There are people who haven't had personal experiences, but like really dig, really deep into rabbit holes and things like that. And, but in total, that community tends to be marginalized. And so I had, so the reaction made sense in how. hindsight like that it would be so big like look what look with this guy he asked him look what you know and and because for me it was such an easy casual thing on stage would be like hey president Obama but about them aliens and then not thinking about all those you know tens of thousands of people

or you know millions of people that that are like yeah we've been wanting to hear something about this for a long time and you know this is so great to see this so I really think about it in that way but the second time with bill Clinton it was the show runner that kind of like, is like, you want to ask him about aliens again? And I was like, sure. You know, why not? And, uh, and I can't remember his answer, but I think his answer is a little bit more vague. Um, but, uh, yeah. Well, you know what? I have the clips right here. Um, I figure, why don't we go ahead and play them? And, um, we'll get your thoughts on the other side. I've got Clinton, um, right here on deck ready to go. So let's just play that. And yeah, we'll

see what he had to say when you asked about UFOs. Reggie, do you have a question for our guests this evening? Yes, I do. Tonight's question is, Hello. Hi. With the recent release of Pentagon footage of unidentified aerial phenomena and things like Project Blue Book and ATIP and all of these various things,

in your former position and currently with the current information that's released. What's your viewpoint on what these objects that seem to defile laws of physics are? Well, first of all, that's a legitimate question now. And the short answer, but not the most meaningful one, is I don't know about this. But when I was president and I had a chief of staff, John Fidesse, who loved science fiction, we made every attempt to find everything about Roswell. And we also sent people to Area 51 to make sure there were no aliens in a deep

because Area 51 is very important. Who do you send? I told you that. Actually, I sent my Sandy Berger, who passed away, sadly, a couple of years ago, who was my national security advisor. But I said, we've got to find out how we're going to deal with this because that's where we do a lot of our

our invisibility research in terms of technology. Like how do we have fly airplanes that aren't picked up by radar and all that? So that's why they're so secretive. But there's no aliens as I know. On the other hand, Hillary and I went to Hawaii in 2018 to the big island where all the telescopes are on top of the mountain, you know,

including the Keck Telescope, the largest in the world. and several countries have scientific teams there. So after we tour the telescope, we went down and met with them. And I said, do you guys argue about the likelihood of life and outer space? He said, we have huge arguments. I said, you do? He said, oh, well, huge.

I said, what's the range? He said, there are those of us who think it's 85% likely and those of us who think it's 95% likely. He said, these are people who spend their lives doing this. He said, we think in other words, it's very unlikely that there is not life. There are a billion, not a billion planets, a billion solar-like systems. There are lots of mysteries out there, which is why I think we should take good care of this planet. I think we ought to kind of hang on to it if we can't.

And I think, but I also think it should keep us humble. There's a lot of stuff we don't know. Ladies and gentlemen, President Bill Clinton. Yeah, man. So that was pretty cool. Two things I want to kind of ask you about with that one. The first being, Airy 51. Like you said skunk works.

I mean, us in the UFO field know the lore, the history behind this deeply, you know, know secret military installation in Nevada, where supposedly they work on UFOs, back engineer craft from recovered flying saucers, stuff like that. Do you have, what are your thoughts on Area 51? Have you ever heard the stories about Bob Lazar, the dude who said he worked there and all that? What do you make of that whole mythology within the UFO world? Well, I mean, I grew up, I grew up, you know, I was, I'm an old person. I was born in 1972. So I grew up during the age of the awareness of Project Blue Book.

In fact, there was a television show called Project Blue Book. And so, and then there was also a show that many of your listeners, well, actually, some of your listeners might remember called Salvege One, which was about a team, of engineers and science enthusiasts that decide to build a rocket in out of a junkyard. And eventually, so the whole show was about them, you know, engineering this rocket. And then eventually, you know, blasting off and going to space. But so there was a lot of, and science fiction was huge in the 70s, obviously off the tales of the 60s, the 50s and the 60s bringing science fiction to the imagination of so many people.

So hearing about Roswell, you know, and about the crash, potential crashed UFO, it all went along with my reality at that time with Project Blue Book. And my fascination with alien abductions because there were shows kind of like on, you know, during my childhood, that would have been. Thanks, yours too. What does Rab stand for anyway? To me, it's the remarkably advantage. vehicle. Really? To me, it's the runway approved vehicle for its amazing style. What about remarkably adaptable vehicle because of its versatile cargo space? Or really admired vehicle? Oh, or really awesome vehicle. It really is the recreational activity vehicle. The stylish 2026 Toyota RAP4 Limited. What's

your Rav 4? You know, about people's recounting their tales with sightings and potential abductions and stuff like that. So I was the kid that was in my backyard in a lawn chair staring up at the stars at night hoping that I would see something. And so in regards to Area 51, obviously, like in the 90s, I was listening to Coast to Coast radio, and they would talk about, you know, things going on at Area 51. And, of course, all the stories about, you know,

well, then there was like movies like Fire in the Sky. All these movies about aliens or, you know, close encounters of the third kind, you know, thinking about Area 51 and also learning about skunk works and knowing and also growing up on an Air Force base in Great Falls, Montana, Malmast from Air Force Base. I had the good fortune of seeing, you know, the SR 71 and seeing the stealth coding up front and, you know, just real close. I was literally like three feet away from an SR 71 as a kid, just like with a small road. You know, a guy standing there at attention, like, you know, guarding at different points of the airplane. But to see that airplane, one of the, still one of the fastest airplanes ever created with that, that coating that not quite Vanta Black, but, you know, on the same tip as this kind of like, it's a shadow, you know, on, on the airfield or at least outside of the hangers. seeing that, seeing the stealth fighter and many other amazing, you know, aerial craft, and then also seeing like the blue angels come through and or the Canadian version,

the snowbirds, like seeing snowbirds come through there and do all these aerial formations. So I was absolutely fascinated with aviation of all sorts, but also aliens and science fiction. And so ARI 51, I think, is kind of a, to me, what I think, I think Area 51 is a very long answer, but just a, I think Area 51 is, is all things. It's a little bit of everything. I think that, I think that, like, because it's such a focal point and it's such a secretive place, of course, a ton of lore is going to be generated about it. Do I think a craft crashed?

Possibly, you know, the thing is, there's a couple of angles that come coming at this, and I don't know if that's something we can talk about later, but like what is alien phenomena or what is extraterrestrial? What is the probability that there are extraterrestrial? Extraterestials that have vehicles that have visited the planet that are doing this? Are they extraterrestrial or are they already here? Are they scout craft? Are they, are they autonomous?

Are they, does it have something to do with planet Nibiru? You know, the ninth planet or the Anunaki coming back? There's like so many, are we time trials? Are we visiting ourselves from the future into the past? Are we trying to, is this some kind of an experiment, like a gardening experiment with like a slightly altered hominid species? Like there's there's all kinds of things out there that I hold a 90 to 95% possibility margin for because I always leave the margin that I could be wrong because we don't fucking know for sure. But I definitely lean more in like I've seen too many things. I've personally seen UFO, our UAPs, outside of Great Falls.

We can talk about that a little bit later. But, like, I, you know, I've seen these things, and I have friends that have seen things and experienced things. So, yeah, again, Area 51, I think is a little bit of, like, perhaps it was an alien craft. Perhaps it was some kind of a craft. And I wouldn't doubt. I mean, it kind of makes sense. It's like we made a technological jump in such a short period of time.

with stealth coatings, propulsion systems, understanding of electromagnetic fields and how that affects machines. And just all kinds of things that were pretty rapidly developed. And I don't know if you could explain it through an escalation of arms race. You could explain it through

maybe there's a cosmic transmission of information that's out there that humans are able to tap into. Or they simply just had machines that they reverse engineered you know, from the crash. I don't know, but I'm just saying, like, I'm open to all the possibilities. But I definitely think it's more than just some people, some engineers going like,

this would be a cool thing. I think it's a little bit more. I love that, man. Yeah, yeah. And who's to say it's not all three in some way, shape, or form? We truly don't know what these UFOs represent. There's probably a million explanations for each and every one. They're each, you know, as unique as a snowflake, I guess.

Well, you know, you bring up another good point to you is, well, first of all, I got to ask you about your UFO setting. We'll definitely get to that. Malmastrum Air Force Base. Are you familiar with the incident that happened there, the nuclear incident? Yeah, the two people went across Washington, Idaho, Montana, and I believe North Dakota. Yeah, yeah. And then there was another incident, I think, where at Malstrom, where UFO supposedly like, came over and shut off the nukes at some point. Have you ever heard that? Oh, yeah, yeah. Was that, was that Malmstrom? Yeah, because I remember that.

Yeah, there was, yeah, the, the, the story of, yeah, UFO's appearing over a silo. Yeah, turning, I think, yeah, turning off and then turning on the system. Yeah, I actually spoke to a gentleman named Robert Sallis. He was the dude in charge of the weapons that day. And, dude, he said, like, It was the scariest moment of his whole career. Like, he thought this is the end. You know, like, war over.

We all lose. And it's a pretty crazy story. I definitely, I think people should check it out if you're not familiar with that guy's. Mellstrom-American Forest based, yeah. I loved hearing this story because, you know, if anything, if you want to like to say, like, okay, let's say it's extraterrestrials. I do love, I mean, there's two explanations, right? There's like, well, there's three explanations.

One, they were tripping, and they don't know what the fuck they're talking. about, which I just don't believe, because military people, it's not easy for them to come forward. And yes, there's going to be some people that are going to take advantage of the fact that they're in the military and they're going to just want to have some sensational, you know, whatever, excitement around something that they're saying. And there could be some fibbing going on there. But I'd say in general, those people tend to not, they don't really fuck around that much. And when they get afraid, when they're scared of something that happens, generally it impacts them in a pretty traumatic way because they're using.

to things being in such a structured, ordered way. When something, when an anomaly occurs, they really, that really affects them, I would think, especially when you're in a bunker, you're deep, like in a bunker and you control, you're in, you know, you're like the person who authorizes, you know, who actually mechanically make sure that those missiles go off, those ICBMs go off. It's just a position I don't think like you'd want to fuck around with. And you have a career in the military and you don't want to lose your tri-care. medical coverage.

There's a lot of stuff going on there. So I would believe it. And I think that the other two explanations is one, there's some extraterrestrial or some unexplained phenomena. There's something that appeared over there and just flexed and said, we can turn the shit off. We can turn the shit on. Basically, get your shit together.

This isn't the priority. That to me is the message. This is not the priority. And then the other explanation, of course, is that it's our technology and that we're just kind of testing it. You know, it's like, hey, let's just send these vehicles and have them send out an EMP, whatever, and then like see if that works. And like, oh, yeah, and it scared the shit out of these dudes. It works. I don't, I mean, that's a little less likely. I don't know. I would also, I would say option to is probably most likely. Yeah, it is an interesting theory. You know, we do often hear, you know, the, you know, the.

the government with the capital G, when they hear the people are saying, oh, aliens crash or aliens were seen over this installation, let the public think it's aliens. Just let them think that. It is an interesting game, I think. We play with intelligence agencies and whatnot when it comes to all this. So, yeah, you do have to wonder, well, what do you think about Clinton when it comes to UFOs, Reggie? I mean, we know that Hillary was really interested. Podesto was obviously very interested. I think he tweeted, you know, his biggest regret when he was working with the Clintons was that he did not get the information out to the public about UFOs, which is crazy. You know, and I know Hillary was working with the Rockefellers and they were looking into UFOs.

And there's all these crazy conspiracy theories out there. But when you strip away kind of those layers of the conspiracy theories and just look at it, there's no doubt that Clinton's probably got closer than anyone when it came to this UFO topic. Do you think they know more than what, you know, Bill kind of portrayed when you interviewed him on the late late show? Do you think he knows more than he's telling the public on all this? Man, it's so hard to say. I mean, it's, I guess, you know, people think that the, I don't know, presidents have, like, more power than they actually do.

Like, they don't, they don't really have as much access as people like to think that they have access to. It's not like, I'm president. Tell me all the secrets. Like, like, things are partitioning compartmentalized, you know, on purpose so that we maintain an edge, you know, in our defense or offensive or defensive strategy militarily. So, you know, I would believe that he wouldn't be shown everything. She wouldn't be shown everything. But obviously, you're around a lot of people that, you know, have different levels of, like, how well they can keep a secret. So I'm sure there's, I'm sure that they know more than they're letting on.

but I'm also certain that they don't know all of it. So I think it's something like that. I think that he definitely knows more. I think he's probably talked, if he's that interested, he's asked a lot of questions. Because how can you not? You know, like when you're, you know,

you're like the presidency of the United States, you've had an interest in UFOs for a long time and, or UIPs. And, oh yeah how would you not how would you just lose that curiosity it just doesn't go away when you're presented with the opportunity to know more it's like just being a human being and we're all curious creatures like we want to know more about stuff and won't settle for just like well you can't really tell you about that you know you're going to keep digging you're going to keep asking like you know you meet someone and you're like yeah i heard they used to be with project

blue book did you have any opinions on so you know whatever that's going to happen so i'm sure they do know more but i don't think they know everything i don't think that they know definitive stuff necessarily. That's a good point. You know, presidents are temporary. So, you know, can you trust them with all the information once they leave office? I don't know, you know, especially when they get up there on their deathbeds and they're like, you know, you never know. They're going to pull the trigger and say, yes, you know, aliens crash in Roswell.

We've been covering it up. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think that's a chance they're willing to take in my opinion. I don't think so. I think Obama knows a little more. I think he's a really smart dude. I mean, Clinton's a smart dude, too,

but he's a little bit more aloof in a way. Maybe that's his personal projection. But Obama, I get a sense that he definitely knows a lot more because he wanted what he said was like, I mean, it's not really information we haven't heard of, really, the way he's saying it, but the fact that he's saying it is important. But I also think he knows a lot more, whether it's like these are special weapons programs.

This could be like stuff, you know, this could be like ingad stuff. You know, it's like this could be whatever, the next stealth bomber. Like, you know, we're talking about sixth generation fighters. You know, we're talking about autonomous. Or, you know, we're talking about those technologies that people believe that they're creating plasmic fields to create a false radar signature. you're able to project plasmic fields, which is kind of like, oh, that's interesting. It creates a physical presence that shows up on radar. Is that what we could possibly be seeing at the GoFast and the Tic Tac and stuff like that?

Is that some of that plasmic projection technology? Is that why it can go from air to water at the same rate of speed? Because it's not really truly physical. But who knows? I don't know. But, like, you know, I have a feeling that he knows more than Clinton would necessarily. Interesting. Well, you know, you mentioned Obama.

and his thoughts. Let's go ahead and play the other clip, Reggie. Sure. And get your thoughts on the other side on that. I'll go ahead and play that now. All this talk about Dem aliens with the, you know, what are the UAFs or whatever they call them? You know, all the footage and everyone talking about it. It's like, what is your, like, I know it doesn't necessarily mean aliens.

I'm an idiot. It's just a UAF. But I was wondering if you have a theory about that. Yeah, that's true. Well, um, he doesn't know what he's talking. When it comes to aliens, there's some things I just can't tell you on air. But you'll tell us off there. Great.

You know, no, look, look. The truth is that when I came into office, I asked, right? I was like, all right, is there the lab somewhere where we're keeping the alien specimens in space? and, you know, they did a little bit of research and the answer was no. But what is true, and I'm actually being serious here is that there are, there's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain how they moved their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable pattern. And so, you know, I think that people still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is.

But I have nothing to report to you today. Unless, like that, see, here's the question. Reggie might secretly be an alien, right? You remember in men in black? And so when he asks all these questions, he's deflecting. Think about it. You are not the first person to have this thought. Do we know what he looks like behind those glasses?

Right? His eyes might blink in the wrong direction. So that's a question that everybody can think about. Reggie, is that correct? A hundred percentie. It's absolutely correct. I don't know that. I feel like he was the one deflecting there.

I mean, he got serious for a second. And then he turned it on you and started going with a comedy. What do you think? Well, you could see, you could see that he was trying to discern, like, decide, like, how much he should say and how he should say it. there was this like a lot of like what should like because he wanted to say more but he wanted to say you know as much as he could I guess I don't know but there was definitely it felt there there was this feeling of yeah just like he wanted to say more than he was able to say for sure yeah I know which is really interesting because you know Obama was around when supposedly this A-tip

program was going on. So you do have to wonder, you mentioned Project Blue Book earlier. I'd love to get your thoughts on this to kind of wrap up the presidents and UFOs. Between Project Blue Book, you know, that ended, I believe it was in 1969. They said there's nothing to see here. We can explain almost all of these things and they're not posing a threat to national security. So we're not going to look into it anymore. And then they said we're done investigating UFOs. The U.S. Air Force is done doing this. And then we come to learn that there was actually a secret Pentagon program called ATIP that had been running. Now, do you think between that gap between Blue Book and ATIP, there was all this weird UFO X-File stuff still going on in the government?

Or truly was this, you know, decades-long gap between investigating UFOs with the U.S. government? That's a, yeah. I mean, I just can't imagine them, you know, stuff like. I don't know, just going like, yeah, we know all the answers, all this explainable, we're done. I don't think that that's true. I think that there's probably an organization that just continues collecting these stories. And they keep archiving them and, like, putting them in different categories just so they have all the information. Maybe there was, like, a gap in, like, an actual official department that analyzed the information that went and investigated the information, perhaps.

but the fact that, you know, Lou Alizondo and, you know, whatever is this guy coming out and saying, A-Tip, I was ahead of it, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, and no one's denying it. There was an actual thing. It's in the black budget, you know, whatever. It was part of that funding and so forth.

But also, you know, it's the government. So you just don't know. Like, is it like convenient timing? They're releasing this stuff. Is there a reason they're releasing this information? Like, is there a reason they're, you know, corroborating these stories from Navy fighter pilots, is, you know, radar technicians, all this stuff. Like, there's that, too.

There's that side of it. It sucks because it's like, I don't, I'm not naturally a conspiracy person, but I'm definitely a rationalist. And we also know as human beings as just having a circle of friends or a crew of people when you were growing up. Just like the behavior doesn't change. human behavior is human behavior. And if people want to keep stuff secret, or if they want to keep a myth going,

or if they want to project something, they want to keep a certain air about things, they craft, you know, disinformation techniques in order to keep us thinking, you know, keep us guessing. So, and, you know, some people say, like, Alizondo is a plant that he's a little bit of a shill,

that he's, like, kind of, you know, running interference in the community because there are UFO, you know, experts, that are kind of refute his, I don't know, his, like, intention, or his intentions. So hard to say, I think that there's definitely data collection the whole time, obviously, any story, it just kind of, like, got brought in and got put into its category, and they just keep building that library of experience. And then some of it can be explained because they were running programs in a certain area at that time.

So they can, like, well, that gets nixed out. We were running, like, whatever, these, like, high-stores. speed, whatever drone things. Like, that's not us. That's not us. That's definitely not us. That's interesting. But we don't have a record of that.

You know, I'm sure that doing that, at least. Yeah. Or we're doing that. Yeah. Good point. Good point. You know, and they keep saying, you know, it's not Russia. It's not China.

It's not these other superpowers who are trying to keep up with U.S. technology. But, and then they're saying it's not ours. So, you know, what is it? What is it? That's the real question. I, you know, it's, it's funny to me because it's like, I don't know, man. You know, I've been listening to a lot of, I've been listening to a book by, well, I guess it's, is it a compendium or is it a collection? It's, let me see.

Where is this? Yeah, it's, so it's this book that been, the Anunnaki Chronicles. Yeah, Zachari Sitchin. And I've always been interested in ancient alien. theories just because of the rapid escalation of or evolution of our species, just like happening. You know, you see that, that upward trend, and then suddenly it just goes, you know, like, away from the expected evolutionary curve. We just, like, took a almost a 180, a 130, and it suddenly developed, like, you know,

then there's like Sumer, which just appeared out of nowhere. You know, like, oh, here's, here's, or if you want to say it, how they say, they would have said it would have been Schumer. But so like, Sumer appears out of nowhere. There's like roads, libraries, you know, there's educational systems, there's taxes, there's trade, there's commerce, there's money, just out of nowhere. We just suddenly have all this stuff, plumbing. And then all of our tales are built off of these, you know, these stories,

these, I guess, human origin, human, cultural human civilization stories that get borrowed. So you get like these, you know, you get Erychigal, the goddess of the underworld, and that turns into, whoever that turns into for the Acadians and the Assyrians,

and then you get to, like, Egypt, and you have Anubis and then you have Caron for the Greeks, and you have Hades, for the Romans. And it's like all these like borrowed tales from way, way back then. But before then, there wasn't anything.

So there's a lot of like interesting questions. And also in the Bible, there are stories and other other ancient texts, but there are stories of these lights in the skies and these formations that match the description of things that people have been seeing since, well, since then, really. And then you have to ask the question, well, these are similar light formations and similar phenomena that human beings have been experienced. experiencing for hundreds of years or thousands of years. And only now could we say, oh, that could have been a drone, you know, that could have been like some weird experimental aircraft or that's a weather balloon or whatever, because those things didn't exist, whatever, 120 years ago. We didn't have any of these things that you could say, oh, that's what it is.

It's modern technology. So then how do you account for similar sightings for thousands of years and then suddenly be like, well, now it's these things? Like, has it always been those things? Has it always been drones? Has it always been weather balloons? Has it always been Saturn or Jupiter? Yeah, yeah.

Such a good point. You know, you look at this idea of the cargo cult, you know, when a civilization has no idea any frame of reference at what they're looking at in the sky. Let's say it was a, whatever, a B-29 bomber that went over their island and they've never seen a plane before. And boom, a new religion starts after they see this thing in the sky. So you truly do have to wonder these different cultures throughout history who have these, quote unquote, UFO sightings. You know, what springs up with that? What beliefs come from that?

And what does it truly represent? Did it want to be seen and start a religion? Or is that just by human condition? I don't know. It is fascinating, though. It is. Yeah, I love it. And, you know, and then when you go.

back and you just look at the evidence of, you know, past societies. You know, you look at the, the pyramids, you know, and of course the argument of like, you can't get a razor blade between some of those, you know, 30 ton, 40 ton, and you're like, how did human beings have the time, the initiative, the technology, you know, to build these things and the fact that there were no bodies discovered in any of the, you know, the great pyramids, except for, was it Kuf was found in one in the center of it. I think you're right. You'd have to brush up on my history. Yeah, but that was like the only one. All the rest of them were empty. And there were no carvings. There was, sorry, no hieroglyphs, no pictographs, like anywhere inside of these structures. And then when

one was found, it was a forgery that this guy wanted to claim that he had found the grave of something, blah, blah, blah. And they found that that was actually a forgery. And there was a family of the person who claimed it that said, yes, it was definitely forgery. So, you know, what were these pyramids? What were they used for? Why are there similar structures in Egypt and, you know, Central America? Why, you know, do we have these pictures of these? It's either like human imagination, like, like, looking at nature and going like, what if the soul could be carried on the back of a flying eagle? You know, like, or the buzzard, you know, with glowing eyes. Like, is it just us having some mushroom trips going like, man, what if the universe was crazy? And then we're just like making these stories?

Or are they based off of real things that occurred? You know, are they, you know, the fact that Elohim or so Yahweh is a plural name, not a singular name. Not monotheism back in the early days. It talked about a system or the hierarchy of gods. And that these gods were called like the gods, the god of creation, the God of heaven and earth, the God of water, the God of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Were these actual beings? Were they, you know, were we a work race that were created? manipulating, you know,

genetic, or genetic code? Is it something like alien, like in the beginning of the alas, alien, whatever covenant movie where the guy's, like, pouring his, like, he's giving up his DNA into the waters of the earth in order to, like, create a new hominid species? You know, I don't know, but it's possible. But then I can go one step,

I can go one step further back than that, which is more, I think, kind of fun. a little bit more fun. Please, Steve, yeah. Well, sure. So basically, like, the idea of consciousness itself, like, what is consciousness? And is consciousness, is it a collective consciousness? Are we living in a holographic, a collective conscious universe?

Is this some kind of a simulation of sorts without it, without necessarily thinking about computers and the matrix and everything? Like something, a simulation of sorts like consciousness running the game of consciousness in order to strengthen the idea of consciousness. and awareness. And in which case, if that's true, in all possibilities, as we learn in physics, at least, you know, theoretically, we talk about many worlds, multiple dimensions, variable possibilities, choose your own adventure style, like if I, you know, whatever, you know, me choosing this, leads to this, leads to that, least to that, blah, blah, blah, but all the possibilities exist

simultaneously on the horizon. Then we have to go back and think, well, the idea of extraterrestrials is highly likely, but also in a way that's more fantastic than just craft and beings inside of craft influencing our society, it's more like, it's just the possibility of that occurring is very high because essentially history doesn't exist as we move forward. Like all of that stuff is just, they're just memories that are collectively sewn together to explain where we are in the present moment as we're experiencing reality in real time. So if I think of it that way, then yeah, of course. There's like whether we're receiving, you know,

let's say back in the day you're receiving ideas from another version of ourselves that has a higher awareness and we're able to glean some of that and put it into our current reality and make an advancement of sorts, whether it's that, consciousness communicating over vast, you know, distances in order to like influence itself

just for the sake of influencing itself. I don't know. I mean, that's obviously getting kind of very esoteric. But I do like thinking of it that way because then it means that anything is possible and not to take away from anybody's experience like, you know, an abduction experience or, you know, coming into contact with exotic materials or seeing something that definitely is not explainable with a bunch of people. It just kind of, it proves that that's possible, you know, that that is a reality that we are collectively deciding the reality that we want to be experiencing at all times. Interesting. Yeah, yeah, I really like that, that thought experiment. Well, I heard you once, Reggie say that ghosts, actually, we're going paranormal now. Ghosts are like a temporal anomaly. And I absolutely love that phrase in terms of, you know, in the UFO world,

we've had people come forward and say that as well, you know, beyond reality, consciousness, but time and space, that maybe these UFOs represent time travelers, you know, or these little gray alien beings, you know, very androgynous and small bodies, big heads, you know, maybe their brains got bigger, bodies got smaller. And this is a version of us in like, what, three, 500, a thousand years from now. And they're coming back to see what we once were. What do you make of that whole theory of UFOs and aliens being? time travelers.

I love it. I'm a huge time traveler fan. My whole existence is based off of experiencing time traveler, what I like to call artificial time travel, whether it's going into a VR simulation, or whether it's telling stories with one another, or whether it's visiting somewhere and not having immediate access to your normal technology

that tells you where you are in time, and then you kind of have like this weird flash. Like, was this, was this what 1993 was like? You know, whatever. So I'm a huge, I'm a huge lover of time travel and the possibility of time travel. I think it's a very fantastic thing. I think that, again, it's totally possible because everything is possible. And if all realities and possibilities exist simultaneously,

then it just depends on, are you lucky enough to fall into, you know, a reality where that reveals itself? So I think it's very possible. I mean, I do like the idea of like this tourism. Like, what were we like? You know, back in time, come, come on a journey and take a sample and look at what we were like back in the day. You know, like we were smart, but we also very dumb. And we also tried to segregate ourselves and divide ourselves and say that we were multiple different things when we were part of the same thing.

But look how far we've come. You know, I don't know. Maybe it's like this disaster tourism. But, you know, and the idea of like us evolving, you know, to a point at which our bodies change and, you know, we've got bigger brains. But then the question is, is like, why this planet, you know, like, why. Yeah. Why us? Why are we, why are we special?

You know, like, why, you know. And then that kind of gets me down to, well, it kind of makes sense that we're kind of running some kind of, we're part of some kind of an experiment, you know, where, it's like what what the fuck are we doing here like you know why do we why are we like basically transforming reality the ingredients of reality the hard ingredients of reality and copying what nature does like uh bird flies well we better figure out how to fly well um you see how centipedes move maybe we can create a thing like that oh here's a tank okay all right well here's a you know here's you see how tough beetles are or whatever they have that kite on there's like what if we created armor for us you know like everything we do

We're just rip off artists. The human species is a big simulation species. We just rip off everything around us. That's all we do because we want to be that. We want to experience it. It's like, well, I want to be able to go underwater and, you know, for months. And it's like, well, let's create a boat that enables us to live under there. But so, or space.

We want to go out into space. We want to take whatever this intersection of senses are, smells, sight, taste. We have to like move that point of consciousness to another reality in order to reinforce. our connection to reality or just to see if it's possible. Like we're always moving ourselves to see if it's possible. And I think like half of or most of what UFO or UIP phenomena is is, is people knowing that we are more than what we seem and seeking answers that lead to the fantastic.

But the fantastic is quite possibly the reality. And for whatever reasons, we have these. blinders on on purpose in order to like kind of keep us like us functioning you know like living like i'm hungry now must find food oh cold must need shelter like we have all these basic things to keep our entity alive but the questions of who are we where are we from what is all of this that's kind of i think at the core of every single human being no matter how whatever gross an individual is being at that time, we all come from that place. We're a curious problem-solving species that is like become awake, you know, and, and are asking the question like, what the fuck is going on? I mean, basically

is the, if humanity could be encapsulated, it would be like, what the fuck is going up? Like, that's all we're doing. We're just constantly like going, what the fuck is going? Why the fuck is that? Why are you? How come you're, why is this? How come that? Well, if you get, ah, you know, that's, that's all we're doing constantly. So it makes sense that we would want to figure out what is the mechanism behind it? What is what is reality? What's happening? And it doesn't make sense to be close-minded about reality because, you know, like I said, I've seen UFOs. I was a teenager in Montana. We're camping. We're in a valley. And we decided to go on a really long walk at night. And we did. We went through a cattle fence. We were walking across this huge, huge field, a couple of

miles to get to a Butte and halfway across that journey to the Butte, we, you know, I looked down this kind of system of plateaus and I saw three lights and the three lights were kind of moving, but kind of at different distances, you know, from each other as they moved. And so I knew that most likely there were separate things, individual things, individual craft. And then at one point, one stopped and you could see a bright light kind of appear under it and then it turns off and then it starts moving again and I got my friends I kept looking at it you know kept looking at those lights and I called my friends over and I was like tell me what you see I didn't describe what I was saying I just said tell me what you see and they saw the same thing so I see these three lights I don't know

if they saw this stopping whatever light underneath but they definitely saw those things those two are my friends and we saw those things. There was no sound and it makes no sense why something would be glowing. You know, like, why would you, why would the Air Force create something or, you know, whatever, these craft that are glowing and are they the same exact craft that were being chased across in 1950s, you know, by squadrons of fighter jets or scramble to follow these objects across the Canadian border? Like, why hasn't that design changed?

You know, I don't know. But there's just like, you know, like seeing that, I was like, wow, to feel, to see something like that is crazy. It does a crazy thing to your mind because you're like, if it is not, if it's not, if it is what I think it is, that's fucking insane that I'm watching, that I'm seeing it in reality. It's like seeing a, you know, a magician do a trick for you in front of your face. And you're like, I got to let me look at that. And you're like, that's not it. How the fuck. You know, like that trick where you're like, is, man?

magic reel. In that moment, that fantastic moment, that's what it felt like, seeing that. I was like, I can't believe I'm seeing this. This is what I'm seeing. It is an unidentified flying object. It's definitely UAP. It doesn't say that it is aliens. But I'm definitely seeing something that makes no fucking sense. Also, it makes no strategic sense at all. Like, I don't know why you would create craft like that. Like, I don't know what that gets us other than, like, aliens are attacking. Oh, shit, everybody's afraid. I mean, there's, I don't know what that gets you either. I think you just want to make an efficient weapon that could infiltrate enemy, you know, what aerospace or whatever space, and then just like inflict what it needs to inflict and get the fuck out of there. I don't think anything about it being glowing. But anyways, all that ranting and raving to say that I know that feeling. I know that feeling. And it's fucking crazy. It's amazing.

That's awesome, man. Yeah, so many people say, you know, having a UFO experience is euphoric in, you know, lack of a better term. Or for some people, it's terrifying, some it's beautiful. You know, I talked to a mother and a daughter in Michigan who saw the same triangular-shaped UFO over their home. You know, the mom saw it first, told the daughter, come out, come see this with me. Daughter comes out. And they're looking up at this thing. And the mother's looking at it.

And she's like, oh, my God, I feel. This is so awe-inspiring. It's amazing. It's like, you know, it's white. It's bright, white, and it's so bright. And this is amazing. It's angelic. And she's like, what do you think?

What do you think? She turns to her daughter. And her daughter, dude, she's on the ground in the fetal position, like covering her ears and saying how unbearably loud the UFO was when the mom said it was completely silent. And then the daughter also said it was slick black. And they're like, interesting. I didn't know what to make of it, man. When they told me this story,

they're having a completely different perceptions of supposedly looking at the same thing. So then you also have to wonder, like, is this UFO or whatever sources behind it able to change perception? Or is it amorphous in some sense? I don't know. But I think you're right. There's some sort of disruption to reality when it comes to these things. and people experience them so differently.

You know, I'm sure your friends took something completely different away from that experience than you did. You just, you don't know how someone will carry on with their life after something like that, I guess. Yeah, it's, it's impossible because, you know, people, there are instantaneous rationalizations that happen, you know, that are, you know, is your brain trying to protect itself? You know, it's running every scenario of what it could be. and some people choose to reduce something mundane. You know, there's that phenomena that people talk about where if there was a party happening, you know, and somebody's living a room or something like that,

and someone stepped into the room in a guerrilla costume and waved its arms and then walked out and closed the door again, a lot of people wouldn't think of it as a big deal at all. And some people might not even remember it. And there's something that happens when we see something so unexplainable or surprising or whatever it is,

there's an instantaneous rationalization because they're like, well, it can't be what you think it is because, I mean, or what you fear it is, let's say, or what you're hoping it is, because it's just probably not what it is. And so some people just kind of go like,

I register it? Yeah. And then just kind of like let it go. Whereas other people will be like, holy shit, that's the thing I've been looking for, you know, or that's the thing that because I've been looking for it, it resonates to me, you know, there's like something about it that's giving me information, whereas other people will be, like, totally terrified instead of curious. So it totally makes sense.

I mean, what do you expect? It's, you know, most of the things, people get as surprised at the dumbest things, you know, and when I say dumb, I just mean, like, the simplest things, you know? They're like, oh, shit. I mean, look at like, you know, those healers or whatever, you know, that are just like, now you're healed, you know, and people are like, oh, I'm healed, you know, and they're just walking around for a while and their doctor's like, yeah, you made your injury worse. But like, you know, like people will believe or disbelieve things based on the availability

that they have of self-awareness in that moment. And I think, you know, Herb, that's a wonderful story, but seeing that craft. it makes sense. Some people are going to be like, holy shit, this is it. You know, oh, this is them. Other people are like, ah, it doesn't exist. I'm out of here. Gee school, Blake, I don't know.

You know, it's like, I'd rather not. And then, like, people ask them about it later. They're like, I don't know what it was. Let's not talk about it. You know, whatever. Like, everyone, of course, everyone's going to react differently. Do you like stories of the strange, the weird, and the unexplained? Then we want you to check out Jim Harold's camp.

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So thank you. time, man. No problem. This first one comes from one of our Patreon subscribers. They get priority to ask our guest's questions. And this is from And Deg, and they ask, what does Reggie, does he have a theory about what UFOs are? I know we briefly touched on that.

But do you think it's possible that they could have been here, Ondeg wants to know, longer before us? You know, there's this famous line from the X-Files, I think, where, you know, in like the second episode, the weird spooky government agent guy is like, Mr. Mulder, they've been here for a very, very long time. And I remember watching that as like a 12-year-old and that like gave me shivers. I'm like, wait, what does that mean? Like, before us? What do you make of that whole theory that maybe we're not even the earthlings per se? We just came on a comet here and hitched a ride and came to Earth, and there was something here before us.

I don't know. Does that make any sense to you, that theory? Of course. Yeah, of course it makes sense. I mean, it makes sense, again, in the ancient alien hypothesis, yeah, it would make sense. I mean, we, I just wouldn't be surprised. I mean, we hear about things like Lemuria and Atlantis and these civilizations that existed before us. and, you know, again, I do think it's possible because the universe is just too insane.

I mean, we live in a reality that's too insane. And the more instruments we create to, like, analyze our reality, the more baffled we are. You know, like the smaller we look, like, we look at scanning electron microscopes, you know, we go atom smasters and we're studying, like, isotopes and, you know, all. these things. Then we're like, well, theoretically, you know, there should be this much distance between, you know, the nucleus or this or whatever. It's like, well, what is the nucleus made out? Well, theoretically, it's, well, it's like dark, dark energy. All these, like, it just gets muckier and muckier, the smaller we look. And then as we look out, like, especially with the

James Webb telescope, we're looking back in time, but we're starting to see these anomalies where you're like, that shouldn't be there. Oh, that's surprising. Oh, weird, there's carbon dioxide in that, in the atmosphere of that exoplanet. Like, it's just more mystery. So we're sandwiched between mystery, like the point at which we exist and how we're able to perceive reality and no matter how many instruments we're able to peer, like, further back in time or out into time, which again is looking back in time. But like, whatever, wherever we look, we keep looking more, more, more, and focused in a specific direction. And it's like fractals. It never ends. Like just when you think, oh, that point, this thing coming at me right now,

I know what this is. That's, oh, that's nothing. That's nothing. That's not. at all. It continues to be nothing. It continues to be nothing. It continues to be nothing. So I think that idea of beings existing, you know, here on this planet before this particular incarnation of consciousness that we are currently is as highly likely. I wouldn't see, I couldn't see why not. I mean, we, it feels like we were using the scraps of a former civilization. That's what we're doing. We're just like piecing together the scraps of an earlier a more advanced civilization to me. Interesting. I like that.

The whole fractal concept is fascinating to me. That UAP girl on Twitter, Reggie, asks, top three earthlings you'd send in first for contact if we were to ever make contact with whatever UFOs represent, whatever intelligence is behind them. Who would you put first in line, or I guess, first second and third in line, to make that first contact.

Well, a lot of the people are dead. That's okay. You know, Mark Carl Sagan would be an amazing person. Good choice. You know, I mean, Buckley would be another person. But I think, well, no, I think, let me think about this. Well, I would love to hang out and say hi. and just be like, hey, guess what's going on?

You know, I would love to. So I'd put myself in there. And I'm trying to think of someone a little bit. Oh, well, I mean, like the Sun Ra would want to for sure, but he's no longer around. But I think, I'm trying to think of like an artist. But it has to be someone who's, oh, you know what? Well, I don't know. Oh, that's a weird one.

His art. It has to be someone who's a good communicator. I don't know. I would say probably Alex Gray is an interesting guy, you know, or Sarah Silverman. Yeah, I put some of those people. I think Sarah would be great because she's a good, she's a rationalist, but she's also a very compassionate person. I think it requires people that are a little bit emotionally connected, emotionally empathic, but also very rational.

I think that those are the people we want to send in there. I love that. A question I didn't get to you was, it seems to me when I talk to people outside of the quote unquote UFO community, it's usually either musicians or comedians or some sort of artist. And you said it right there. You know, you'd like to have an artist be one of the first people to make contact. What do you think it is about musicians and artists?

I mean, if I went back in my catalog of shows, I would say, like, a healthy 30, 40% have been musicians or an artist of some kind. What do you think that says about these phenomena and those who seem to want to pursue that mystery, I guess? Well, I think as an artist, when you're creating things, it depends on, you know, how you view what creativity is and where it comes from and so forth. But I think it feels like channeling to an extent. and it keeps your mind in an open state. So in order to, especially for what I do, improvising, like you have to be open to all possibilities in that moment.

And you have to also initialize something. You have to start with something. And as you start, you build on it because you're kind of listening to possibilities and those things are collapsing into the higher probabilities. And then you just kind of allow those probabilities to kind of flow through you. And so I think that that element of, and then also the dreaming, you know, the not quoting the Sandman, but like the dreaming element of being an artist, of visualizing a world, imagining a scenario, seeing certain things. It's very like big, open imaginative, and you understand the power of limitless possibility. and I think that the idea that we're just,

you know, some organisms, you know, with an endoskeleton walking around, just trying to survive and procreate. Like, I think that that's boring. I think that that's very boring because why are we even able to think about those things? Why am I able to think about the thing that I'm thinking about, that I am?

You know, and I think that those are the questions that artists think about. And the same thing with scientists. You know, as I've said, science and art. Those are the only two things that really matter. Everything is in between those things, but they're both interchangeable. Because science creates, well, science reveals fantastic things that we, that we may, most of us may not ever imagine. Artists are able to tap into and project concepts that might be real.

So the two of them together, it's great. It's like it's empirical, but it's also visionary. And, but the empirical evidence also, which is great about science is that they don't say that they know anything for sure. It's like we just know what we know in this given time. And these are all, this is the consensus of where we're at right now. Our understanding could change because our theoretical element is now saying, well, maybe it could be, this could be a product of this. It's theoretical. And then we invent some instruments or whatever.

And then suddenly we're like, actually, a little bit of that theory is true. And then it evolves. So, and art kind of does the same thing, and that techniques evolve, ways of representing things evolve, you know, it's a never-ending cascade of possibility when it comes to what art can create and what it can project and how it affects people. And the same thing with science. Science is like, well, we're curious. We want to find stuff out, but we also want to be empirical about it. And both methods are very, very interrelated because they inspire one another. You know, spaceship design is inspired by, earlier science fiction writers. Science fiction writers write about certain formations of hierarchical society or non-hierarchical society and then suddenly down the line, there's a civilization that starts using some of those ideas or whatever. You know what I mean? It's like they all influence each other. I love that. Yeah, it's like a choreographed dance. We need both, need both partners, the realists and the dreamers for it to continue. I got a couple of music questions for you,

Reggie. Nice. Let's go. Let's go. Joss Horror on Instagram asks, have you ever sampled any sound from UFO or alien movies for your freestyles and loops? By the way, I love your work and thank you for talking about UFOs, Joss said. Oh, sick.

That's awesome. That's my pleasure. It's one of my favorite things. No, I have not. But I do do a lot. I take a lot from science fiction movies. like, yeah, so sometimes, like, in my sets, I'll be, whatever, doing my thing. It may not be musical, but sometimes I'll, you know, I'll pretend I'm in, like, a giant, like,

mech suit or whatever. And, you know, so I'm just like, or a jet, you know, or just like, you know, like, all these, like, sounds that I hear and I mimic because I'm just fascinated with them. So I do sample the things that I'm exposed to and use them, uh, vocal. or conceptually in my pieces. I love that. I love that. Isaac, kind of in the same vein, Isaac on Facebook asks, does your understanding of sound, rhythm, and harmony

affect your understanding in relationship with the phenomenon? If so, how? I think it does because, you know, again, we're just an intersection of frequency, detecting sensors. And, you know, we're an intersection of those things. So most of us have all of the senses. Some of us don't or some of us have lost a few of those senses.

But we have enough of them that we can still localize ourselves in space. And so I think that being a musician, especially because music is so dependent on frequency and vibration, sympathetic, dissonance, harmonance, like all of these elements that music, that music is, is what life is. And I think when you realize like vibe intent, like I was on the airplane yesterday or, yeah, yesterday. And yes, I had a little bit of a hash edible. But I was, I was, it was the first time I'd experienced this. I was on the airplane.

The airplane took off. And as you know, there's a lot of sounds an airplane makes when it takes off. And some people are afraid of those things. But for me, I start to notice what those things are. So when you hear that after the plane is taken off, you're the... That's just the landing gear. It's the rotation of the tires after it's left, the tarmac.

They're still rotating. And then as the landing gear go in, you hear the speed roll off until they finally stop rotating. And I felt that. I felt it through the floor because I was closer to the front of the plane and the front landing gear. I felt when that wheel stopped rotating. And then I knew the flaps when we were coming up because the plane started to feel a little bit different. Then the, you know, all the noises.

And then here's, here's an incredible thing. The guy next to me was sneezing. And I wasn't wearing a mask. and I was like, oh shit, this guy's just sneezing. But I knew that it wasn't COVID. Well, okay, and I need 98% new. In my head, I knew that it wasn't because I knew that it was allergies. I could tell by the way he was sniffing and the way that he was breathing that it was allergies.

It wasn't, I'm sick. So these types of things, and that was like yesterday, and that was kind of like a new moment for me. in a way because I started going on, oh, I understand what's going on with this thing. Or you're on a bridge and you're hearing it Creek or whatever. You're like, no, that's just the structure giving way because it needs to be flexible or, you know, or, oh, no, oh, that's actually, that is an earthquake. You know, like, there have been many times where I've gotten up from, I was in a yoga class and I got up and was like, earthquake or whatever.

People thought it was crazy and they didn't feel anything. And then, like, in the news report, it's like a 3.3 or earthquake, whatever. You know, so I think being a musician, you know, in short, it, if you, if you, if you, if you want to, not all musicians do this, but there's a higher likelihood that you're sensitive to vibrations and shifts in energy around you. And that's how improvisation works. That's why music is so magical, why it just like levitt. It feels like you're levitating when something really starts to take off and everything's feeding off of each other. And it just, it reaches a synchronicity where it's just like, and it's all like, synchronized. And like those plates that

you see, people run vibrational frequencies and they pour sand on it. and you see they'll turn up the frequency and then you'll see the shape kind of look like this, then they'll change the frequency and look like that type of stuff. You're aware of that, that those molecules are taking on shapes according to vibration. So I, long answer, but I love that question

because it's something I've been encountering or more sensitive to lately. I think that that when it comes to phenomena like UAP and so forth, or alien intelligence and so forth, I think that it lets you know that you have access to all of that, which is to say we have access to all forms of consciousness and alien or otherwise,

because there isn't really, at least this is in my humble opinion, there isn't such thing as alien consciousness. It's like we are all part of consciousness. And so it's just the revelation of different forms of consciousness. And also, and then I'll add this, I love the term life form because whenever I see an ant, when I see a, you know, like scanning electron microscope, you know, shot of a water bear or whatever, they're all life forms. They're forms of life.

And these forms of life are all around us and we're all a part of it. We're all life. But as humans, we like to think, well, because I'm conscious and I can decide that I can do this and do this or make this. Like, this makes me different from all the rest of like this. It's like it's just a bunch of bullshit. It's like we're all made of the same shit. It's all just frequencies and vibrations and formations of matter and consciousness

observing itself. But anyways, that's that. I love it. I love it. Life form for sure, man. Last musical question. Yeah. What is your favorite musical instrument that you've yet to use?

Anything you just haven't been able to get your. your hands on or even start to practice yet? An instrument that I haven't used that I want to. I'd say it's an instrument that doesn't exist yet. There's an instrument. I want, I use loopers for my performances. And there is no looper that I absolutely love. Like, I have an electric car that I 100% love.

Like, I'm completely satisfied. driving this vehicle, like 100%. And in my life, that's what I look for. I look for experiences of total satisfaction. But I'm not so harsh that I'm going to miss it. Like I do take note, like, you know, like flashlights. Like this flashlight, not this one particularly, there's another one, but there's a flashlight that I use that I'm 100% satisfied with.

Like there's nothing I would change really about the design, well, except for USBC port for recharging. But other than that, I'm fully satisfied. So I guess what I'm saying is, oh, wait a man, what was I talking about? Yeah, yeah, no, the instrument you've yet to use is the instrument that's yet to be creative, right? Yeah, I'm back. I went too far out. But yeah, so why I said all that is because I don't have a looping pedal. There's no, I mean, the line six, which is my, my, the most well-known pedal that I use, that line six, is almost a perfect pedal.

It's very close, but not quite. And then the other multi-track loopers I use, they do their jobs well, and I can make music with it, but I can't rock that shit in a hardcore way intuitively because the controls are not intuitive. And so I guess I just say that there is an instrument

that I want to play. You know, I would love to develop some kind of a cello-like-looking instrument that had multiple buttons that I could, you know, manipulate. And then I could also tilt, which would create effects or move forward, that would create effects that I could hold close to my body. And I could just really integrate with and play rhythms and chords and also trigger looping things.

So the answer is that there isn't, that instrument doesn't exist yet. So I'm working on it. Love it. It's constantly evolving. Well, I guess here's one last question I found really interesting that I'd love to get your thought, kind of rough things up, Reggie. Hampton-Steves on Twitter asks, is love

an illusion born of biological necessity? I love that. Yeah, I think I saw that on Twitter. Yeah. I thought that was an excellent question. I'm glad that you asked it. I think it's both. I think that there is definitely

chemicals that are released that are you responding to a vibe, physical representation and a vibration that you get from somebody that you're with that says, hey, man, you should hang with this person on a biological level. It's like, you should hang with this person because you're going to make great offspring. Like that's definitely there.

It's like, well, you should get together with that person because those kids, they're going to be really cool. You know, there's definitely that, whether that's true or not, that's the message that biology is like, yeah, let me hook on me and see we can make more of you. But I think that love is a greater energy than that. I think that love is, yeah, love is like, to me, love is the building block of all reality. I think that all of reality is love. And I think that anything else is, you know, not love.

Or getting, let's say it's further away from love. It's desynchronizing with love, whether it's like people who are frustrated all the time, People angry all the time, people complaining all the time. All the stuff that we can do as humans, we can choose to be however we want to be. I think that for some weird reason, it's according to this current manifestation of reality, it seems to be easier to complain and to be frustrated and angry about stuff. And it's harder to just be like, you know what? Like I think Sarah Silverman, I watched a thing on Instagram that she did.

She had this realization that I thought was pretty great where she woke up and this is probably, you know, some version of this is in Buddhist and Taoist's, you know, writings. But she woke up going like, oh, nothing matters. Everything sucks or whatever. And I understand that thinking like, oh, nothing matters. Nothing matters. You know, why are we even here? What's blah, blah, blah, blah. But then she kind of like took it full circle and she was about to do a show.

and she does kind of like what I like to do before a show, which is like people say, what do you do before a show? And I'm like, I don't do anything. I just like fuck around with people until it's absolutely time to get on the stage. And then as I'm approaching the stage, I say to myself, you know what? None of this fucking matters.

And just fuck it. Like that's my attitude. I go on stage and I just go up there and I just do what needs to happen in that moment. And I think that that's kind of the thing that you arrive at when you're like, oh, all this shit that I'm so, ugh, ugh, you know, like, I do it every day with the news cycle. I need to take breaks.

I really honestly do. But I'll do that with it because I'm like, no, no, this is moving in the wrong direction. You know, and then I'm just thinking, how does this affect my general outlook in life? Like, am I really going to, like, ruin my day with shit that ultimately doesn't matter because as long as I'm being the best person I can be,

and I'm trying to project that in the world around me wherever I go. I'm trying to do my best wherever I go. And other people are doing that. And we're recognizing that one another. It's like, oh, this person's trying. Oh, this person, help this person with this thing. Yeah, they have totally different ideologies, but they both fixed that plank that was loose in the fence. You know, like, these are, these are things that I, that I, that I live for in life. And so, so, yeah, I think that love is kind of everything. That's, like the constant that's there if we want to listen to it. But it's easy to forget and to get lost into all the dramatic things so your life can feel like a constant crisis.

Or you can be in what I like to call a solution-based mind state, which is like you can be affected by something. You can take on, you can process the emotion of something. But solve, create a solution so that that doesn't occur again or less likelihood, you know, of that occurring. But just being a solution-based, because otherwise if we're all just like, oh, fuck, everything sucks, everything. It gets us nowhere.

we're 80 years old looking back on our lives going like, God, I was really healthy and I had a perfectly functioning body. And look at all that time I wasted. Like, fucking around with me being disappointed about shit when shit was mostly fine, mostly fine. But helping each other was important thing. I love that. I absolutely love that. Well, looking towards the future, Reggie, you know, we're scientific breakthroughs, technology. Like you said earlier, We had this huge boom back during the industrial age, obviously, and with space exploration. And now we're living in a world of, you know, where quantum physics is becoming more of a reality. And looking at the UFO topic that way as well.

With all of this happening at a rapid pace, do you think we'll ever truly know what these UFOs or UAPs are or represent? Do you have hope that we'll ever know the truth about what all of this stuff is? Or will it remain a mystery for forever? I know you always say life is, you know, always happening. Life just keeps happening. Yeah. Will we always live in the mystery or will we get those answers? What do you personally feel?

I think we will. And on some level, we already know, you know, I think, you know? It's like, but it's not. nice to have that certainty. You know, I mean, I guess that's something that we as humans, we love. We love, like, knowing something. You know, we love us certainty. But I think that, for me, I think that it's, you know, I've been doing, I'm

interested, I'm interested in something I call the paradoxical state, which is, is being aware of all infinite possibilities and being aware of. the absence of those possibilities simultaneously. Because in that moment, in that moment where those two things intersect, I call it the, it's a paradoxical state, in that state, you realize all things are possible, but all things are not, not possible at the same time, which to me is the truest state of reality in a way. It's just like, it just cascades into an infinite like, you know, yin-yang, positive negative. But I think that in our current reality, we can achieve understanding. We can definitely achieve knowledge through the discovery

of things and the understanding of things and the acceptance of things. And I think that we definitely will know. I mean, we have to. I mean, it's a phenomenon, right? It's something observable. And I think that we definitely will, because if it exists, then it's reproducible or it's re-experienable. and there is an answer for its existence because everything has a place and everything is useless simultaneously. But I think, you know, it's like, but I mean without being cheeky, I do think that it is possible that we will know what these things are because in a way I think we kind of already do. I think that we're trying to match what we think it is with what it could be.

And I think at a certain point, those things will meet at a sense. scale at which we can all mostly witness and agree and experience. I love that. Yeah, it's sort of a collective reality, as it were. I love that. I love that, man. This conversation went in directions I wasn't expecting that, and I'm so happy it did. Because I thought we were going to talk about presidents and UFOs for like an hour. This has been such a rewarding conversation for me as a UFO podcast. So obviously I want to thank you for giving me way more time than I anticipated. But lastly, man, obviously, can you tease anything you're up to that you're going to be doing?

And where can everyone find everything you're up to? Yeah, I mean, there's a few things up in the air right now. Things being pitched, but I can say that generally, like one is my book is getting finished, my autobiography. and that should be, I don't know, hopefully out within less than a year. So you'll hear about it. It's called Great Falls. And I have a couple of music shows that we're going to be pitching, kind of getting back to the roots of just having a show that I'd be hosting,

and we'd have bands playing live on the show, but up-and-coming bands. And then, of course, the number one rule to playing on the show is that you can have no backing tracks, no computer with a space bar that you hit. It all has to be played and performed live. Yeah, so that, and then also a project that I'm doing with AI, a show that will be creating that revolves around AI and its current insane, rapid implementation and evolution. Interesting. That's a whole other conversation we could have. We'll have to have you come back on sometime, man. Please.

I know you're a busy dude. Well, anytime, man, I got to thank you for accepting the invitation for coming on a UFO podcast. And again,

this is a very rewarding conversation for me. So thank you for joining me on Summer in the Skies. Thanks, Mr. Sprague. And enjoy Scotland. Cheers. Cheers to that,

buddy. I'll tip back a scotch for you, for sure. Please. Please. Somewhere in the Skies is produced by Third Kind Productions in association with the Entertainment One Podcast Network.