Somewhere in the Skies - Remembering Nick Pope: A Trip Back Down to the Basement Office
Episode Date: April 9, 2026In this special episode of Somewhere in the Skies, we pause to honor the life and legacy of one of the most influential voices in UFO research, Nick Pope, who passed away on April 6, 2026. A former UK... Ministry of Defence official who once investigated UFO sightings for the government, Nick became a bridge between official inquiry and public curiosity. This episode is both a tribute and a time capsule. We revisit Ryan’s on-location interview with Nick Pope and The Basement Office’s Stephen Greenstreet in New York City, a conversation that captures Nick at his most candid, thoughtful, and intellectually sharp. From government secrecy and evolving UAP investigations to the ever-changing landscape of disclosure, Nick’s perspective reminds us why his voice mattered so much. More than just a researcher, Nick was a colleague, a friend, and a steady presence in a rapidly shifting field. As we look back on this conversation, we also look forward, carrying on the questions he championed and the pursuit of truth he never abandoned. Rest in peace, Nick Pope. Your legacy will continue somewhere in the skies. Please take a moment to rate and review us on Spotify and Apple. Follow Suzanne on X: https://x.com/csuzannelanders Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://www.cameo.com/ryansprague51?utm_campaign=profile_share Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: sprague51@hotmail.com Substack: https://ryansprague.substack.com/ All Socials and Books: https://linktr.ee/somewhereskiespod Email: ryan.sprague51@gmail.com SpectreVision Radio: https://www.spectrevision.com/podcasts Opening Theme Song by Septembryo Closing Song by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2026 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #NickPope #MinistryofDefence #MOD #UFOs #UFOlogy #UAP #Aliens #Paranormal #Government #UK Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Hey guys, Ryan Sprag here from somewhere in the skies.
And we're going to do a little revisit today with you guys
because we recently lost one of the most preeminent UFO researchers,
I would say in history.
And that is Nick Pope.
He passed away on April 6th of 2026.
and he has left behind an undeniable mark on this field, both for me personally and for many of you out there as well.
I had the incredible opportunity to tip back a few beers at UFO conferences with Nick.
Brush past him at Filings of Ancient Aliens when I was working with them on their live tour and their live conferences and the filming.
of the television show. And I had the incredibly rare opportunity as well to join Nick Pope and
Stephen Green Street in New York City and make my way down to the basement office and record them
for an episode of The Summer in the Sky's podcast right before they were filming for their show.
So I've had many years with Nick Pope and so many have as well. We didn't always agree on
everything, but welcome to uphology and welcome to the world. But, you know, he handled everything
that was going on with his health with such grace and class. And we unfortunately did lose him
this past week. But I thought this would be a good opportunity to revisit that interview that
I did with Nick Pope and Stephen Green Street during the filming of their show, the basement office.
So I'm just going to go rewind and let you guys enjoy this.
I'm also going to include a video montage that I put together,
kind of a little memorial for Nick Pope as well,
some interviews that he's done throughout the years at different news agencies
and television shows and stuff like that.
And I thought it would be kind of a fitting way to end the episode as well.
and a good way to remember all of the work that Nick Pope has done throughout the years
and how we will carry that forward when it comes to UFO research.
So I want to send my thoughts, my prayers out to his wife, to his family, and to all his friends and colleagues.
Yeah, I truly do hope that he's now finding the answers that he sought in life somewhere in the skies now.
thank you, Nick Pope. We will remember you in the best way we know how, and that is to continue
having the UFO conversation someone in disguise. I hope you guys enjoy. Rest in peace, my friend.
While our government's official position is not to speculate on this subject, we can choose to let
our minds explore other possibilities to use our imaginations. For if we consider the astros
scientists agree on one point that the possibility of life
elsewhere is not only quite probable. Some field is there without a doubt. Let us suppose
them that these objects are real space vehicles, extraterrestrial origin, and not an illusion
of the mind. This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague. All right, so this is pretty
surreal for me. This is Ryan Sprague from Somewhere in the Skies, and I am reporting on location
in the basement office. That's right. I am inside the basement office with.
Stephen Green Street and Nick Pope.
So you guys know what that means.
I think we're getting a little bit more of the basement office.
So guys, thank you.
Thank you for having me here and thank you for doing this today.
It's awesome meeting you.
I'm so glad this happened.
It's crazy.
I know.
We see each other on all these TV shows or podcasts and listen to you.
But then you see each other in the flesh and you're like, whoa, it's real.
Yeah.
It's actually real.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And this set is exactly what I envisioned my,
my aspiring basement to look like.
Yeah, how does it feel to be back in the basement office?
It feels good.
I mean, it's been a long time.
It's been a while.
So it was surreal, you know, being back.
And I've changed as a person.
The person I was when I was last in the basement office is a different person than the person who's sitting here now.
And so I look at it differently.
It's charming and it represents a part of me that's evolving.
Right.
Well, let's talk about that for just a minute if you don't mind, man.
So for anyone who follows hashtag UFO Twitter or is, you know, into this community like we are, you dropped off of Twitter.
Like the one place a lot of us got our news from you, from a lot of other people.
And everyone was like, oh, what happened?
So, of course, the conspiracies start mounting when no one has the true answer.
So I got to ask, why did you decide to leave us for a little bit?
And what made you want to come back?
Well, I think the answer is twofold.
One, I was like, I found myself on Twitter a lot, on Twitter a lot.
And that happens when you get more and more followers and you're engaged in more conversations.
You're always checking Twitter and going back to Twitter and replying on Twitter and thinking of the next tweet and things like that.
And I had a show to prepare.
I had Basement Office Season 3 where I was going to be tackling topics.
I had no idea about.
I had no kind of like education on some of these topics.
and I wanted to be up to snuff.
I wanted to be educated and researched.
And I found Twitter to be distracting.
You know, like I had books to read.
I had files to go through.
And part of the reason I nuked my Twitter was like, okay,
for the next three to four weeks,
I'm just going to full on read and prepare for season three.
I've been there.
Like, there's been so many times where I just want to leave social media and do research.
And I think that's kind of the most responsible thing.
you can do. Otherwise, you're just going to be influenced by everything you see coming in. You'll get
distracted by the arguments going on. So, no, I truly respect that. Well, let's, I guess what you guys
are willing to share since Nick is here, season three, is there anything you can tease to us
about what we can expect with season three of the basement office? Well, let me jump in.
And I'm not, I think we need to be careful. Absolutely. I don't think we should unpack
any spoilers, but I think what I would start by saying is that my goodness, since season two
wrapped, an awful lot of things have happened, events, and also in parallel with those new events,
old events have been reappraised, re-evaluated. We are perhaps looking through a different lens.
So I think season three was called for, and it's very timely that we do this.
And I'm going to obviously defer to Stephen on how much he wants to reveal,
but people can, I think, look ahead to some surprising twists and turns and some material
that, shall we say, might not make everyone happy bunnies.
Happy bunnies.
I think one of the cool things that happened during shooting season three was like Nick and I got kind of feisty.
And that was awesome.
When we kind of like, we upped our energy and we really, there are some cool moments where we were both passionately going after something.
And that was something that we really haven't seen.
We've seen a few times, but it was more jocular, I think, in the former seasons.
And so we get into it this season and it's awesome.
And just in general, I would say this season is about like what I did.
It's a metaphor for my journey of the last year, which is instead of waiting for the next breadcrumb, like all UFO Twitter is, you get the breadcrumb and you hold on to it, and you're like, oh, how precious the breadcrumb.
And then the next breadcrumb jumps, you know, drops and you run over to it.
Oh, the next breadcrumb.
I actually about faced, and I turned around and I looked at the entire trail of crumbs that have dropped for the last few years.
And I said, I'm going that way.
I'm going to slowly walk backwards and follow all the crumbs back to the source, turn around, and see if I end up.
up in the same place. And that's what season three is about. I love that. You're like almost reverse
engineering in a sense or walking in rewind. And I think Stephen's on a journey here. And and has been on
one is still on one. A journey to try and make sense of this amazing phenomenon with an 80 year
backstory, all sorts of twists and turns and a real wilderness of mirror. And a real wilderness of
mirrors where often things are not what they seem. And my role, I think, has always been, I guess,
to offer a bit of insider perspective as someone who sat within government looking at this topic,
not professing to have all the answers, not saying to Stephen, oh, this is the absolute truth.
But as we've seen in basement office, and we'll see much more of in season three,
helping Stephen contextualize some of this,
helping Stephen find a way to his own truth
and his own interpretation of where we are with this topic.
Spoiler alert, there will be drones.
That was my next question, man.
A lot of people on UFO Twitter wanted to know,
will you be talking about drones
in their place in this entire mystery?
I mean, it's the biggest nuisance
a UFO researcher could ask for in terms of if they believe this is something non-human or whatnot.
But let's be completely honest.
99% of what we look at in the skies probably could be explained conventionally some way, somehow.
But yeah, will you be tackling drones this season?
Drones are fascinating.
Drones are rad.
Drones are awesome.
It's my current late obsession as of late.
And so, of course, that has, that is bled over into season three.
And I think I've dug up some pretty incredible stuff, you know, stuff not many people have heard about.
Well, Nick, you mentioned government.
And I want to get us up to current day right now.
I mean, what was it a few days ago?
The amendment in the national defense bill was passed.
We're getting some of what Senator Gillibrand and Marco Rubio and a lot of these politicians asked for
from the U.S. government.
And then we also have the Pentagon,
the Department of Defense,
wanting to create their own group to look into this.
So we almost have dueling UFO programs, group, studies going on,
which is crazy to think about in moving into 2022,
that this is where we're at and what has happened in the past few years.
So I'd love to get your insight first, Nick.
What do you make of the AO-MSG versus ASRO or whatever it is?
is now, what do you make of all this stuff going on within the American government?
There is certainly a bit of a dogfight going on over this.
I mean, clearly when Senator Gillibrand, Gillibrand, Gillibrand, Jilliebrand,
Gilly Brand, you know, I'm a Brit.
I can get away with mispronunciations and people say, anyway, her amendment,
subsequently endorsed and, you know, became the Gillibrand, Rubio Amendment.
this was absolutely groundbreaking.
It would have taken the study of UFOs within government to the next level,
a level we certainly haven't seen before.
Much closer integration between the military and the intelligence community,
a proper joined-up response, much more accountability.
And into her amendment, of course, was this proposal of,
of effectively a sort of oversight committee with organizations like the Galileo project run by Professor Avi Loeb out of Harvard, being able to nominate people to sit on it, the scientific coalition for uphology and such.
Like, sadly, that's the one big thing that didn't survive the negotiations.
And when I say the negotiations, of course, what happened was then after the Jilly Brown Amendment, the Pentagon,
came out with its own basic announcement saying this is what we are going to do, A-O-I-M-S-G.
And I think there was some gamesmanship here.
I think what they were doing was saying, look, she's getting support for this amendment,
but if we can show that we're already gripping this, maybe, maybe, you know, we can walk it back a little.
And so there's some negotiation, but it's very good news.
although the only sad thing, as I say, is the oversight committee didn't make the final cut.
Pretty much everything else important did.
So we are going to get this much more joined-up response.
We are going to get more oversight and accountability.
And we are going to get at least an annual public report on what's going on.
So that's a very long answer.
I apologize for that.
The short version is this. Congress is gripping this, and they are going to make sure that the military and the intelligence community take it seriously and give us some answers.
Or give them some answers. Of course. That's the $64,000 question is Congress, you know, the various committees, they will get some answers. The public, not so much, but we will wait and see.
Any thoughts on that, Stephen?
Are we going to see anything, the public?
What do you think?
Well, I think first and foremost, and especially in my research for season three, there's a problem.
There's an issue.
No matter what you think it is, there is an issue.
There's a safety issue with unidentified, unauthorized objects.
The number of near misses are way too much.
Hell, one is way too much.
And there have been dozens and dozens and dozens.
We are in the middle of an absolutely infuriated.
unacceptable policy when it comes to unidentified objects in the sky.
Something's got to change.
So I see all of this stuff as greatly positive.
While I disagree on what will be found and what will be discovered, we need to discover it.
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Nick, on a personal level, there was recently some news that the Calvin incident was going to remain classified for measurable more decades in the MOD.
And a lot of people wanted to know where do you stand now, having experienced and been a part of the investigation of this,
photo, this event, are we any closer to knowing what happened there within government or in the
public will we ever know what happened with the Calvin incident? Possibly not. I've seen various
euphologists speculate and there are all sorts of theories doing the rounds but the bottom line is this.
these six photos of this diamond-shaped object taken in Scotland in 1990 were looked at at the time by the Ministry of Defense
and we were not able to identify the craft. What happened then was obviously lots of different people
in the department had copies of these photos and we had for example a poster sized in large
of the best one on our office wall in Secretary at Hearth 2A, room 8245 MOD main building.
And it was there for a couple of years.
One day, my head of division took it down because he had convinced himself that it could only
be some sort of secret prototype, hypersonic, maybe US spy plane, and therefore not the sort
of thing that we should have on the office wall.
years later
the MOD started a program to declassify and release the files
and people were saying oh great we'll get to see the
the Calvine photos and nope the
photos and certainly the enlargement
seemed to have disappeared so what we have left
is basically a very poor image of photocopy
low resolution. I did work on a recreation of it with a graphic artist in LA for a TV show,
and we produced something which was really, really good. So now, when you read about this,
the image that the media use is virtually spot on. And that's not just me saying so.
A number of MOD colleagues who either worked in that office or who worked in the division and saw it on our wall,
have said, I think, you know, not least on my various social media feeds when they see that
photo. Oh yeah, that's it. You got it. You nailed it. The story about what's being kept secret
isn't quite what it seems. There has been talk that, you know, the photos will be, they've been
reclassified, we've still got them. They're in the files. The file won't be released.
to about 2072 or 2076, something like that.
That's not quite what the story is.
The story is that the identity of the photographers is being withheld,
and those sorts of personal details, other personal details of MOD officials,
including intelligence officials who were involved in the investigation.
That's in the original hard copy photo, you know, file.
of this, the case file, that is what is not going to be released. So it's not even a fact.
You're going to get to that date in the far future. You won't suddenly find, oh, there are the
photos. They'll either turn up or they won't. Now, I'll tell you where I think they are,
or at least where some copies of them are, in the ATIP and ORSAT files. Because one of the
things that did happen with this is that it was sent to CIA and various other US agencies.
So I wouldn't be surprised, given the amount of leaking that has gone on with a number of photos,
videos, documents, and such. I would not be surprised if the Calvin photos turned up in the United
States and not the United Kingdom. You heard it here first. That's right. Someone in this guy's
exclusive. Stories like that is why
Nick is definitely going to stay the
co-host of the basement office.
That's awesome. I love that.
Well, right now, I am staring
into the eyes of
a wolf on the background
here at the basement office. So, kind of
wrapping things up here, guys. I know you've been filming
all day. So thank you
for being so gracious with your
time. But I got to ask, this new book
came out. Skinwalkers at the
Pentagon. We are now
learning again that maybe some of the mainstream media got things wrong at the very beginning in
2017 and we're learning that this atyp program was working on pennies while you know this bigger
program happening at skinwalker ranch was the actual program to get the somewhat 22 million dollars
so i got to ask what do you guys think of everything going on with skinwalker ranch will it play a role
in this unraveling of truths or disclosures in 2022.
And yeah, what do you make of all that, anyone who wants to take that?
I, the answer is yes.
I love it.
The answer is yes to all of the above.
And it does play a major role.
And, you know, funny enough, that book came out towards the end of my journey.
My journey where I had turned around, like I said, pretty,
and I was following the bread crumbs backwards.
What was the first breadcrum?
What was the first domino?
Who pushed it?
Who dropped it?
How did it end up there?
That was my interest.
How did we get to where we are?
To where the Gillibrand amendment exists?
You know, that is just another domino.
Let's go back to the beginning and let's look at this fresh again.
And, you know, I think right on cue, Skinwalker's at the,
the Pentagon came out, you know, because that's something that happened a while ago,
details we hadn't heard about. And you can take one, change one detail about an object,
and it can look completely different. You can remove one thing from something,
and it can take on a whole new picture. And I think that's the theme of this season.
Nick, anything to add about Skin Rockers at the Pentagon?
It's a fascinating book. It's an important book.
And clearly there are, I'll say this politely, rival narratives at play.
So a very short answer from me to this, following my previous rather lengthy ones,
things are murky and things are not necessarily what they appear to be.
Welcome to Uphology.
Well, last question, guys.
Any last words from you guys about what's to come in 2022?
whether with the basement office or just the UFO conversation overall,
what do you want to leave our listeners looking forward to, I guess, moving forward here?
I think one of the messages I would leave with is one that I've delivered a few times the last few months,
which is question everything.
It's okay to question everything.
Be worried if you're comfortable.
be worried if you trust someone.
And something like this where it is obvious that the intelligence community has had played a role, a strong role for decades,
we should never feel comfortable that we know what's going on or that we're being led in the right direction.
And I want to challenge people.
I have challenged people and I may lose every single fan of the basement office.
I am risking that by doing season three.
And I'm willing to do that because I think it's important.
I think it's important that people stay wary of what's going on.
And I will share one analogy that I share in season three.
If you are a boat in the ocean on a destination to say the truth,
and that boat is just one degree, one degree off course after many days and years,
It's going to be so far away from its original destination.
It won't even see it in the horizon.
And I guess this season of basement office, I'm readjusting the boat.
Any last words, Nick?
Well, I think as Stephen said, there has been, how shall I put this,
some dramatic tension between us in this season three
that maybe wasn't there, certainly to this extent,
in seasons one or season two.
And I think in one sense, it would be a very boring world if everyone agreed with each other all the time.
And what you will not necessarily see in season three is Stephen and I nodding and agreeing on absolutely everything.
There are some differences.
But what I would leave your listeners with is this.
Look, wherever we end up with this, with season three of the basement office, but with the wider
story that is now unfolding, expect the unexpected. Don't be afraid to say at any point, if the
data are pointing that way, I was wrong. You know, it's okay to change your mind about
something. And wherever we end up, we are living in exciting times and there have been developments
on this topic, which I think four years ago would have been inconceivable. And people say,
is there more to come? Well, the best indication of what's going to happen in the future is
what's happened in the recent past. So yes, I confidently predict there is more to come.
Exciting is an understatement. I'm excited, guys. When and where, if you can share, will we be able to see the basement office season 3?
That may be classified. That may be classified, Nick.
Classified for now.
Yeah.
Stephen Green Street, Nick Pope, thank you so much for your time today and for allowing me into the basement office.
I feel like I'm part of the club now.
Yeah.
You're welcome.
That was good to talk to you.
I was born in 1965 in London, fairly up.
Unremarkable Education. The real story of my life and what I did with it begins in 1985 when I joined the Ministry of Defense,
and I was moved around from various different postings. Then in 1991, I was asked whether I would like to spend three years investigating UFOs for the government.
So I said that sounded quite interesting, and I accepted.
The Ministry of Defense Insider is about to talk publicly about the secret world of UFO sightings.
Nick Pope spent four years as the MOD's UFO washer.
His book about his experiences, Open Skies Closed Minds is published next month.
Nick Pope, what do you believe now that you didn't believe five years ago?
Well, I came into the job as a skeptic, but I was convinced by the sheer weight of evidence,
the sightings, the radar evidence, all that sort of thing,
that some of these things that we see in the sky and call UFOs are extraterrestrial in origin.
extraterrestrial what, craft with people inside them?
Well, craft of some sort, certainly.
That's not to say they all are.
Of course, most of them have conventional explanations,
but after rigorous investigation,
we find that five or ten percent absolutely defy any conventional explanation,
and these ones, yes, it does look as if they may be some sort of craft from elsewhere.
We asked Nick Pope, who used to investigate UFOs for the Ministry of Defence,
what he thinks of this sensational video.
This is one of the better fakes that I've seen.
Looking at the skills of the filmmaker,
I think it's a nice piece of work.
It's well put together.
And the black and white imagery is a nice touch
because it plays into that whole idea
that this might be something that's been in the government
vaults for a while,
might even relate to Roswell, the Holy Grail, of Euphology.
Do governments know more about life on other planets?
on other planets, then they tell us.
Nick Pope used to work on UFOs for the Ministry of Defense and has written a book about it.
Nick, simple, straightforward, first question, is there life out there, yes or no?
Yes.
You believe that.
Absolutely.
Tell me why.
Well, scientists are beginning to come forward now, and for years they've been very, very conservative.
But now cosmologists and biologists are beginning to put papers down, saying, yes, the universe is probably teeming with life.
I think it's a short step to then say that that life could get here.
Are they little bubblegum green men with things coming out of their heads?
No, they're actually little grey men and women, one presumes,
about three and a half feet tall with very large insect-like eyes.
They're quite spindly in appearance and appear to act like a hive society
with very little individual self-will.
You're joking.
Absolutely not.
These reports have been coming in independently from all around the world for years and years,
long before all this was in the public domain. People are describing a very real phenomenon.
Nick Pope has become one of the most credible and well-known researchers on the issue of
UFOs. He worked for many years studying the issue for the British Ministry of Defense,
and I met up with him at his house in Tucson, Arizona.
The second and critical question is do UAPs represent a possible threat to the defense of the
realm? We could argue never shown a hostile intent, and how
However, Russian aircraft attempting to penetrate the UK air defense region in the Cold War never showed hostile intent, but they certainly represented a threat.
Thus, if you show up and you don't do anything doesn't mean that you're not necessarily.
And this is it in a nutshell.
Thus, the only logical conclusion that we can come to is that we do not know if UAPs represent a threat to the defense of the realm.
And this is defense intelligence, science and technology.
Some sad news for us here at News Nation.
A friend of the network who had the pleasure of interviewing not too long ago,
Nick Pope has just passed away from cancer.
You'll remember Nick as one of the most prominent voices on all things UFOs.
His work on aerial phenomenon at Britain's Ministry of Defense led him to being known as the real-life Foxmolder,
Foxmolder being the lead character in the hit show, The X-Files.
In one of his last emails to our producers, he said he'd be spending his remaining days with, quote,
plenty of laughter, watching various British comedy shows with his beloved wife, Elizabeth.
Elizabeth posting this evening on X, saying she was lucky to have married Nick and that he was a
wonderful husband. Nick, you will be missed by so many. Thank you for your positivity,
all that you put into the world, and you will not be forgotten.
There will inevitably be unknown unknowns, inextricably linked up with and part and parcel of the UFO
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