Somewhere in the Skies - Reviewing the Shag Harbour UFO XPO (w/ Paul Kimball)

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

Ryan returns to Nova Scotia and dives deep into his unforgettable weekend at the Shag Harbour UFO XPO alongside retired UFOlogist and filmmaker Paul Kimball. Together, they give their brutally honest (yet good-natured) reviews of the event’s standout speakers — including Terry Tibando, Dolly Safran, Preston Dennett, Marc D’Antonio, and Chris Styles, the preeminent Shag Harbour UFO researcher himself. From an emotional experiencer session that left the audience speechless to a mysterious visit to an abandoned Canadian military base rumored to hide UFO secrets, Ryan and Paul pull no punches in this hilarious, heartfelt, and insightful debrief. Plus, you’ll hear stories of their side-splitting encounters with legendary Shag Harbour witness Laurie “Dickie” Wickens! Special thanks to the Shag Harbour UFO Incident Society for having us! Please take a moment to rate and review us on Spotify and Apple. Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Email: [e-mail] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SomewhereintheSkies Discord: https://discord.gg/NTkmuwyB4F Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ryansprague.bsky.social Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomewhereSkies Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/somewhereskiespod/ Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryansprague51 Order Ryan’s new book: https://a.co/d/4KNQnM4 Order Ryan’s older book: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Store: http://tee.pub/lic/ULZAy7IY12U Proud member of SpectreVision Radio: https://www.spectrevision.com/podcasts Read Ryan’s articles at: https://medium.com/@ryan-sprague51 Opening Theme Song by Septembryo Copyright © 2025 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #ShagHarbourUFO #UFOXPO #SomewhereInTheSkies #RyanSprague #PaulKimball #CanadianUFO #UFOConference #UAP #UFOPodcast #AlienEncounters Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Paul Kimball, we are starting off with a bang. What? How did he get here? It's my house. Oh, that's okay. Why are you in my house? Oh, about that. Again. That's his wing right behind us.

We give him a wing. I'm back, guys. I'm back in Nova Scotia at my second home here. And I will not give your town away. But I'm in... Fall River. Okay, he's going to do it then. All right.

Fall River, Nova Scotia, one of the most beautiful places in the province here. And I'm not back for usual reasons, which would be ghost hunting. I'm actually here for... The Shag Harbor UFO Expo, which we just got back from. Who's this gal? What's going on here?

This is Jim Mosley, Saucer Smear Fane, reincarnated as a, I think he's plastic. As a plastic space alien that I picked up in a shopper's drug marty and yarn. So when he glows. And he goes. On cue. Mosley, you are, we don't call him Jim. We call him Mosley. Do you think the actual Jim Mosley would be honored that this is what he came back as?

Yes. Yes, I do. Okay. If it was a grave robbing toy, totally Jim Mosley. Did you ever meet him, Jim Mosley? Never in person. Talked to him a lot on the phone. By the time I get to knew him, he was living in Key West Florida,

and he didn't travel as much. So any number of phone calls. He didn't use the internet. He was totally like, oh, internet. Not good. And he famously Sausersed Meera, he typed. He mailed him out to his list of non-subscribers, of which I was honored to be one.

you could request to subscribe, and then you would give him a love offer. Yeah. She's a very evangelical. And yeah, I consider him a good friend. And he was can't take. But he knew my uncle Stan, too.

They knew each other, known each other, and sort of frenemies for years. So, yeah, Stan liked it. I've been trying to get my hands on saucer smeared, just like a copy or two for years now. They're on eBay, and I swear they're like hundreds of dollars at this point.

At one point, I thought Tim Crawford's company, UFO TV was distributed. Like, you could subscribe. If you subscribed, you could read them online. I think you still can, but I'm not sure about that. Because somebody, I think, it digitized them all. Probably really Isaac Coy or those archivists who are putting it all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Together.

So Jim Mosley's great fame to claim. Great fame to claim. Great claim to fame. Sorry. Two things. One, he wrote a really good book called Shockingly Close to the Truth with Carl Flok. and Newfog, National UFO conferences and tons of stuff.

The guy was a legend. But he did, I think partly to piss off my uncle Stan, when Stan and I were arguing about something. He referred to me as the future of euthology back in 2000 and zero-zero something rather in Sausers. And it was just like, thanks, Jim, I guess. I don't know if that's a compliment or not. Is it?

Yeah. I sent him a note and said, no. for about 28 reasons. Instead, it's Jeremy Corbell. So there you go. There you go. Well, we're not here to weaponize our curiosity. Or are we?

Are we? We're here to, I guess, kind of debrief and or review, a friendly review of the Shag Harbor UFO Expo. I'm going up some images as we're going through this conversation, too, guys. So you'll get kind of a behind-the-scenes look or, I guess. guess an exclusive look at what we experienced at the conference. Not sure how exclusive it is. We put all our photos on Facebook. That's true. They're out there already. There might be a couple that I haven't posted. No, I told you. We're not putting those.

We're not on Patreon. Only fans? I get a wife. Okay, that's fair. Okay. Cut that Ryan, future right. No, keep that part. Okay, okay. Funny. Okay. We don't actually have any photos like that. We don't. We don't. We're kidding. But, yeah. But, yeah. You invited me to come back to the second year in a row that I have now attended the Shack Harbor UFO Expo. I had the honor and pleasure of being a replacement speaker last year for Preston Dennett, who actually spoke this year, which we will get to. So last year, you know, I kind of had the pressure was on. I had to speak.

We were filming my Shack Harbor UFO doc. You were in the province shooting haunted. Correct. Yeah. So it made it convenient for them, too. They didn't have to fly from Scotland. He was already here. Yeah.

And we were actually filming in Yarmouth at the same time as the Shag Harbor thing. Or just the weekend before. And then we started filming as the guys all came down. That's how he used my crew to go film in Shag Harbor, down. Like any good filmmaker, just stealing people and using them for free, right? I gave him permission to use my guys, my guys. They're awesome. They were happy to do.

They're so awesome. But this time you were just here as a passenger. It was awesome. No pressure. You and I were just attendees. We had no responsibilities other than to show up for what we paid for as guests. True. Correct.

And not cause any trouble. I went in, because I'm the bad boy of euphology. I went in saying, I'm not here to be cantankerous or give any fights or to say somebody's crazy or stupid. Nope. I'm kind of gentle, Paul. I'm just coming to listen. I'm just here as a civilian because I'm retired. And yeah, I had a great time.

It was so fun. But now I'm going to get Cantankers. Let's get to it. So, you know, there's always, what I love about this conference is there's a day of speakers and then there's a day of like activity where you actually go out and you go to the Shag Harbor crash site. You go to this other abandoned former military installation that has kind of a. connection to it all, right?

CF at Canadian Forces Station, Shelburne out at Sandy Point, which is long since decommissioned. I actually shot a feature film there when it was in film studio in 2008 or eight, yeah, eight. So it's been decommissions since at least 2007. I think it was well before that. But back in 1960, which is when that incident took place, it was top super, Uber, top secret, submarine, whatever tracking station.

Yeah. Yeah. And there's, you know, some rumored connections to what was going on with Shag Harbor and things they tracked under the while. We won't get into that. That's up to Chris Stiles. But I guess let's kind of walk through, you know, before the day of the conference actually started, we got there the night before.

We did. And we decided to go have dinner. And who was the first person to really greet us, fall? Well, we were staying in the Rod Grand. Shout out to them. It's our go-to place. Shut up at the Army. And it's where the conference was being held.

So it wasn't held in Shai Harbor. It's about 40 minutes from Shai Karparker. Yeah. A much bigger town. So we're just sitting in Gail's restaurant in the hotel. And Lori Wickets, who is the key witness from Shad Harbor. I've known him for many years. I was telling Ryan on the drive back,

Lori might be one of my five favorite people that I've ever met in euphology. Because he's not in euphology, really. And Shag Harbor is the only interest he hasn't anything UFO-related. He's not posting on Twitter or whatever. whatever about the latest TikTok or anything. It's Shag Harbor. He was a witness to one incident. That's all he talks about.

And so we're sitting there, munching away. And Lori just wanders over and goes, hey, look, he has a very, very thick South Shore Nova Scotian accent, which if you've ever been to Ireland or Scotland, it's not the same. But imagine going to Scotland and going to the Outer Islands. The accents become much thicker. And if you're not used to it, it can be a little incomprehensive. at times. So I've gotten

used to him, maybe less so, so I'm trying. I translate it. But he told the greatest story, like, almost made me want to be a UFO researcher. But it was such great. He comes over and he says, hey, Paul, Ryan.

And I'm not, I'm not doing this justice accent, but I'm trying to give a bit of the flavor. Hey, what do you know? And I think he did actually, what do you know? What do you hear? What do you know about the shaghar? thing you figure it out yet yeah but I think I actually think he and again we don't remember books because it's not the fun part of the story but I think he just said what do you hear

what do you hear because now I sound like too know because you I started to say nothing and then you started to say something unrelated to shang but just like well you know there's some new something came out and he just went here's what I hear and he starts telling the story about how in 1967 the day after the shag carpenter and still he's very young man I think who's 17, he walked into a bowling alley. So I love this story already. And there were some RCMP officers there bowling. And so he knew them and he walked up to them.

And he said, hey, you know, you had anything about that thing last night. And the RCMP officer said, can I swear in your show? Absolutely. Done. So the RCMP officer said, yeah, everybody's calling it. It's a UFO. They're all calling it a UFO like the government. You know, that's what we're calling it.

And Lori looks at us and the restaurant, like, everybody now knew we were in the restaurant. At the top of his voice, like almost bells, because he speaks very loudly. He goes, I looked at him and I said, what the fuck's a UFO?

And I just went, yes, I'm making notes. This is going in my next book. This is the kind of color that you need in a UFO story. Because Lori Wiggins is as long as I've known. He usually says that he thinks at the time,

he certainly thought it was a plane that would go into the thing. And so being the ace UFO journalist, that I am. Take this, Jeremy. I ask the hard questions. Lorry, to his credit, give the hard answers. So, here we are. And I said, Lori, that's amazing. I've got a question for you. It goes, ah, what? I go, what kind of bowling was it? Was it like candelpin? You know, it was a small little balls or was it big ones the Americans using? It's a candlepin. Not that of that American shit. And it's just like, okay, that, I needed to know that. Now I know what kind of bowling it

was too that you were doing the rcnp officers were doing so that was and by now linda rafews and her husband and two other people are sitting at a table halfway down the restaurant they now realize we're here they go hi paul they're the conference organizers conference organizers yeah and long-time friends yeah um she used to run the queen's county museum which is haunted and so it's like cool thanks for introducing us to everybody lorry that's in the restaurant we're trying to fly under the radar When I says, hey, what do you know? Here's what I know. You can't ask for more than to get to a UFO conference as, you know, flies on the wall.

And then the primary witness to the reason we're there, the Shag Harbor UFO incident, just comes up, knows both our names. I just felt like so, like, honored that like this guy remembers us from time to time, you know. At least me. I don't feel longer. It's just Lori Wiccans. He's Wickees. Wait, what's his nickname? Dickie Wicke Wickees.

Everybody down there calls him Dickie. And I still call them Lori. It's like, you know, my parents and law, I still call them, sir, ma'am, or Mr. Mrs. Wood. They go, call us other thing, call us doors. Yeah, no, I'm not seeing that happening. You're Mr. Wood to me. You always will be.

And he's Lori Wiccans to me, but everybody, so the next, when they do the bus tour, two days later on Sunday, we go to this restaurant. We're ahead of the bus. the people at the restaurant, like, it's empty, and they won't seat us because it's the bus. So we need to see how many seats might be left while. And so they all come and Lori say, hey, what do you know? And he's like, well, we're just waiting to see if we can find a seed, Lori, because, you know, the bus, he said, ah, get you in.

So the waitress lady who had been ignoring us. And he says, I get these two guys a seat. And we're like, no, no, we're okay. We'll just go to this other restaurant. And she looks at him and she goes, whatever you want, Dickie. And it's like this, on this day, in this place, in this moment, Lori Wicken. is fucking God. Like he owns that place.

And we still went to a different place. We're like, no, you know, it's all packed. We'll go somewhere. Yeah. That's lovely different. But yeah, that's Lori. He's, he's, he's one of kind. So we were walking around, you weren't doing it because it's more me.

But I was referring to us as UFO legends, which on like Facebook and everything. And I think some people actually took, it's how you can create, you know, you can self-create your own myth. Yeah. So we were co-creating a myth that. were legends. He's more religion. Although I was supposed to be in face of euphology. And we're getting, so there's a big Shag Harbor,

UFO, so we show up at the conference the next day, first lecture passes, which I'm sure you want to talk about. And then we're standing outside and there's this thing. The sign says, Shag, wherever you're going. And Ryan goes, hey, you want to get a selfie in front of that? Yeah, sure. So we stand there. And then Lori comes over and he says, hey, you want the start, is showing you pitch you? And it's like, yeah. Yeah.

Right here, buddy. Right in the middle. So he pops in. I'll put the picture up right here. Here it is. And I had my iPad, so I put it on a five-second timer so we could look. Get my chin out, don't look that, whatever. And Lori, of course, was like, what's taking so long? So, you know, first one didn't go so well.

Hey, Lori, we're just going to do another one, five-second bird. It's a tough guy to work with if you're a television professional. He's like, yeah, yeah, fast. Got other pitches to take with other people. A busy guy. Yeah. And so we take the pitches like, all right. And then he just like, Tasmania devil.

off to the next guy. And you know what? It seems like I'm making fun of them. I'm not. Lori's awesome. And so there's this conference. And a lot of people organize a conference and maybe hide in a corner or something. Not Lori. Lori's got like, that's his weekend and that's his mission.

And he talks to everyone. You got questions for him? He'll talk to. Always there. Always available. That's more than you can ask for most organizers. And like you said, he is the reason we're there. You know, other people had witnessed this thing. happened, but if he hadn't been there to call the RCMP to get them to go there and on the

spot, tell them what he saw and what happened, who knows where we'd be? And then when Don Ledger and Chris Stiles tracked him down years later, I don't know how it went with the other witnesses, but Lori was the one. I don't know. A good example, Roswell, but the one he was Glenn Dennis, because Glenn Dennis was a liar. But Walter Hot was not, but whatever you think about Roswell, Walter Hot was involved. They did release the press release. It's kind of, maybe he's a little bit of the walter otter more probably more than jesse marcelle marcelle i'd say stan track marcell down jesse was willing to talk but jesse never went as far as i know didn't go senior didn't go to all the conferences and go around talking to everybody at the conference

go hey you want to talk to the star i don't that was glenn dennis so there's the weird thing in the roswell case and i met and interviewed glennis he really was um kind of a little like lorry you know he was out there good old boy told a lot of stories the difference is lorry's story uh has never really changed and he really was there and there's actual evidence that he was there and he really did call the police and none of what Glenn did Dennis said was ever true so Glenn Dennis is the worst may he rest of peace was you know the worst of uphology in the sense that here's a witness who just glommed onto this case and but he's an interesting cat to talk to and there's Lori over here who's actually an interesting cat to talk to he really is a witness

to an actual UFO case whatever you think it was so Lori's like ding ding up for Paul. Oh, man. Well, okay, so you mentioned first day of speakers. Let's do it. Or dicky. Let's go down the line of speakers that we had. So 9 a.m. starts. We hadn't really even had our coffee yet. You know, we had a late night the night before, but we did it. We got up and we were there at 9 a.m. sharp for the first presentation, first sip of coffee. And what pops up on the screen for Paul Kimball. Now, when he says we had a late night the night before, it sounds like we're out drinking until five on the wharf that should at yarmouth or something no he's on scottish time and i'm on filmmaker time so i didn't get to bed until five because i was just lying in my bed

doing work and stuff so yeah so he get you got there before i did you were right on time yeah i wondered in about 10 minutes late it's a guy named terry tobando speaking now i just had done the anomicon two weeks ago two weeks ago and my presentation was um fascism the far right yeah it's bringing back some PTSD to a few of you. But the presentation wasn't for you, it was about you. Fascism, the far right, and the terrible influence its head in euphology. And I sort of went off in that presentation

about a guy named Ernstundle and Nazis. Now use Nazis to lure people in defaulting, all that's first stop. Secret bases in the Antarctic. Great. I walk in the door, and there's Linda Rafe, you sitting there, and her husband Clark, and go, hey, guys, so great to see you,

get my little bag, it's got my gift bag or whatever. And I look up, yeah, all right, seats. There's Terry Tobondo talking. And on the screen is a picture of a Nazi UFO. And I'm just like, oh, come on. This is like on the nose. This is just, this is too much. The universe is telling me.

Good morning, Paul. Yeah, good morning, Vietnam is, they said. Now, Terry Tobondo, not a Nazi. So I just want, he's not heard of subtle. He was just, you know, he's wrong and he's super beleaguered. But he was going through a very long list of basically everything that ever claimed to be a UFO story, he covered it. But the funny thing about Terry, and I don't want to hog your show, so you can follow

up on this one. But I sit down and he's like, and this, this is a real picture of a Nazi UFO. This is a legitimate real picture of a Nazi UFO. Go ahead, right? False. Now, nice guy. Again, we're not here to, you know, make fun of this conference. We're not those types of people.

One of those conferences of every ten. Amazingly entertaining. I will go to this thing as long as they keep doing it. I love it. But it was unfortunate to have a speaker claim, this is an authentic picture from 1942 of a alien being. And the quality is just incredible. We were able to get this photo.

It's like the Nazis that invented AI somehow. Somehow AI existed back then because it was clearly, an AI-generated image. And it was unfortunate because it happened three or four times throughout his presentation, including the Nazi UFO, was also AI-generated. To be fair, his presentation got a lot less Nazi-esque after that. It did. So there were no more Nazis after that. And he just rolled on eventually Mars and a bunch of other stuff.

Let's get to that. Now, besides being critical of these images, he showed, showed. Well, I guess we're going to continue. And he was the last minute. He was the U of this year. He was me this year. He was replaced. He replaced Kevin Randall. Yeah. The irony because I'm pretty sure there would have been no Nazi UFOs in Kevin Randall's presentation. Kevin couldn't make it.

And so Terry Tobondo warmed his way. And he's from Canada. It's from the West Coast. Yeah. And he gave an entertaining presentation. Entertaining is the perfect word. Now, I know there was something you really took from this presentation towards the end. So I'm going to let you take.

that. Okay. He was going through a tour of the solar system because I think he claimed to have been in a space. No, he had never been in a spaceship. That's the next lecture. He was abducted, I think. Yeah, or certainly contacted. He's involved with Greer's CE5 program and his bio, I'm not speaking out of school, he claims to, and I believe this is true. He was a significant funder to one of Greer's documentaries and he's been on CE5 things and the whole nine years where they got in the woods and point a flashlight, sky, or everything. So he's a Greer, right? question. But, so he's kind of going to, and a remote viewer, I mean, basically, anything that's

ever been talked about within euthology, he does, he's done it, or whatever. And he's in his 70s, although he doesn't look that old. And his wife heckled him from the audience. Ryan can talk about that in a second, because that was fun. Oh, because he was sitting next to her unbeknownst to me. Yeah. He got to Mars, and so what he does is he takes these pictures from like Mars that I assume rover or whatever is taken.

And like Richard Hoagland once did, you know, you can see in photos, whatever you want to see. And he said, a lot of these pictures are really blurry, but I've cleaned them up, and I've increased the resolution and the contrast so that we could tease out the image. Yeah, okay. Those are rocks, but whatever. One of them, though, because he was a former pest control,

what did he go, a specialist or something? His career was basically, you know, like kind of the guys we my wife brings here to set the rat traps out or whatever. We have an ant for all called this guy. And he said, I know animals when I see them. And that's a bilby. He narrowed it into a bilby. He said, there's this little furry creature on Mars.

And it looks just like a bilby, which is an Australian furry creature that kind of looks like a rabbit. So I went, I'm sitting there. And I think it was, you know, oh, I didn't have coffee. Whoa, space rabbits. Martian space rabbits. Fuck yeah. because I have they're not rabbits

or snowshoe hairs but we have wild snow shoe hairs in our yard here and they're dear to me and I feed them and they're lovely little animals and I love rabbits

watership down is my favorite book and I went Martian space rabbits with an Australian accent all right I am all in on this presentation now

forgiven for the Nazi thing let's go baby and he goes on this whole thing like yeah they're basically Martian space rabbits on Mars and then he says no if you think that's strange let me show you this and suddenly we're on Pluto and I mean I don't

know how the Martian space or ever was breathing but whatever on Pluto and I was just got he said look at this picture and I just go it's like a giant rock and then he I teased out an image from it here's the before and the after I went well good for you and it's a snail so if there's these snails on Pluto okay ah little baby snails and he goes they're giant Wait, what? That snail, and I've done some azimuth measuring with the thing and whatever machine I have in my head and everything. And that snail is probably, I don't know, eight stories tall. And the snail track might be a kilometer wide.

And I'm like, holy shit, that's a pretty big snail. So, whoa. And I'm looking around the audience going, come up, this has to be a bridge too far, right? Maybe the space rabbit, but the Martians said, the plutonian snail. And a few people, but some people were like, all in Pluto. And I went, now the old me would have said, these people are, cray, cray. The new me went, you know what? I don't know.

Maybe it's a snail on Pluto. I don't think so. I'm skeptical, but I'm in on the Martian rabbit. Like I'm totally in on the bilby of Mars. So, oh, and he found skeletons on Mars. Now, let me tell you something, folks. This is a pro-Terry Tobondo comment. He shows this thing, and to me, it's just a formation of rocks that he has maybe made to look like a skeleton or interpret it to be a skeleton.

I don't think he fakes anything, but I just don't think he knows that when he does those things, he's not self-aware of what's happening here. So then he sees what he wants to see. So he goes, there's this half skeleton. I'm like, okay. And then he shows another one, and he says, there's this other guy whose name escapes me. And he found a full skeleton. Full credit to him. He found more than I did.

You know, you're giving another researcher credit for doing something better than you do. All right. That's a rare. That's a checkmark for you, sir. Fine. All right. Yeah, so that was Terry Tobando. I had Nazi UFOs, Martian Space Rabbits, plutonian giant snails the size of a skyscraper,

and giving another researcher credit for being better than him. I have something. I love it. That's an entertaining presentation. I'm going to do the fifth point like you had mentioned. Yes. And that was the heckling wife. He brought his wife with him.

And she, you know, she clearly is not a believer. I mean, I don't want to put words in her mouth, but he was up there. But you were sitting right next to her. I was sitting right next to her. So I could kind of put words in her mouth. Her words. And, you know, he had made a joke during this presentation. Like, oh, yeah, my wife is just waiting for the, he was comparing it to if life insurance would cover alien abductions.

which was kind of funny. It was a good joke. But he said, my wife is still waiting on that life insurance policy. And she, I'm no kidding, just yells out in the middle of this presentation. Yeah, and I'm still waiting. Time's ticking. And I'm not kidding you during this whole presentation. She was just shaking her head and like, no, uh-uh. Like talk about having someone critical in the audience.

His own wife is his biggest critic. And maybe that's a good thing. you know probably challenge him but it was funny nonetheless she was a nice person you had an opportunity to talk might explain why they weren't walking together

when we drove up by the that's true we didn't see about two blocks she was they're older and she was sort of struggling and he was just beetling on in France like sir wait for your wife to catch up to you some UFO conferences bring people together some ribs

yeah when they showed up at Shag Harbor or sorry Sheldbrin I think she stayed smart because it was hot and there were flaws yeah I think she stayed in the bus or the car with the air conditioning on and he came out. Yeah. Because she had, she seemingly had no interest in almost anything.

But she was there to support her husband and come on a trip, I assume. This is why my aunt Marilyn never went to conferences with Michael Stan, though, because she would have heckled him in the audience too. It's like, oh my God, Stan, I can't believe you said that for the 5,000 of time. Oh, man. So yeah, his, so we were doing a letter rating thing of people's presentations, which is really a bitchy kind of thing to do, but I'm going to do it. I, you know, I got a grade on a curve. I've seen Stan Friedman speak like 94 times.

So I've seen really good speakers. I give Terry a B minus because it was entertaining. I'm grading solely on entertainment value. And you'll get a bonus if I actually think what you're saying is like, okay, that's interesting too. Terry's is solely on entertainment, B minus. Because he was he was well spoken, you know, reasonably well spoken. If you booked him to your conference and it was a kind of conference where you want to hear a guy talk about Martian Space Rabbits, he's your guy

he's your guy yeah I like that that's the best thing I can say a B a B you said B minus because he's getting docked to half point for what happened at the experience I was just going to say that does influence mine as well and the AI image thing really turn me off

so I'm going to go with that I'm going to go with that B minus as well actually there you go and we'll briefly mention him in the experience or thing was that big deal but it costs him a little bit of a letter grade yeah we'll get to that who was our next speaker that would be Dorothy. Yes, Dorothy, Dory, Saffron.

Dali Saffron? Dorothy, we should. Oh, my God. Our apologies. We blocked her out. Yeah, it's been three days since the conference. Probably is Dorothy. Maybe it's not. Saffron.

I'll put the correct name up on this. There it is. This was, this was her, this was the, only her second time ever speaking. She said she had spoken at a conference in West Virginia. And she was there with Preston. because he had written a book about her. You know what? You were probably more awake during most of this presentation than I was.

Yeah. I might have nodded off for five minutes here or there in the Oklahoma. So you take it. Okay. Well, her big thing is, well, first of all, she's had a crazy, interesting life. She's lived everywhere, worked everywhere, had every job you can possibly think of, including assistant manager at Wendy's, which is, hey. It's not on my bio, but sure.

Yeah. Yeah, I've been there. A limo driver security agent, I think, worked as a nurse. Yeah. You know, it's Kravmaga and Karate. So, yeah, there's a very long resume, including his system manager. Yes, yeah. But the reason she was speaking is she is a claimed experiencer.

Since she was a young age, she told us a story about she. That's done just selling it, my friend. I know. She had a twin that went missing at birth. And that was interesting. And then this led to her first experience where she ended up as a kid. She went missing and ended up showing up at a gas station or something like that. It's kind of like the Chronicles of Narnia.

You just go through a wardrobe or something and you wind up in a different dimension. Yeah. And then she started having Beans visitor in her home. And then they started, this is where things get interesting. They slowly started to teach her how to teach her how to, to pilot their craft, the UFOs, so that she could become a pilot for these entities, these beings. Yeah, she had her own room on the UFO.

She had her own room. They were teaching her and then somehow she'd come back here and only a little bit of time was, when she spent all this time up there. Yeah, like summer school. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, yeah, it sucks, she going to school twice. I know.

So she was doing double duty in school. But yeah, she really, she's detailed each experience, which was, Really interesting. And then she started telling us about how she did this. And I found this pretty fascinating because it's the big talk of the town in euphology right now, Paul. And that's psionics. You say that like I'm out.

Wait, I am so I don't know. Tell me. Tell me more. Cyanics. Do you know about Cyanics? Well, I know about Cyanics. I didn't know it was big in euphology. Yeah.

That's apparently how the Tick-Dak is being operated, according to famed journalist Ross Coulthart, acclaimed journalist who's never done anything wrong in his life. By the way, folks, he's actually going to be on the show later to wait for it. Yeah, get ready, get ready. Full little Jimmy Kimmel here in a second. And, man, I really hope Ross Coldthart doesn't see this. Anyways, psionics. What are the chances?

Piloting a UFO psychically, basically. And this is what Saffron claimed to do. and I think my jaw, Looney Tune style, hit the ground. When she made the claim, she showed the Turkey UFO, the famous Turkey UFO video, maybe I'll put a few seconds of it up here for you guys to see.

You've probably seen this video in every top 30 UFO videos. Whatever. Interesting, compelling video. And then she said, yeah, that's me. I'm in the craft in that video. That's me piloting the turkey UFO. I thought you told me the turkey case, which I'm not familiar with, have been debunked. It has. Okay, so interesting compelling video. Debunked, compelling video? I don't know. As far as I know it has been debunked. I know there's people watching this and listening right now who will argue that. But from what I was told, it was nothing but a cruise ship on the water. The video had been dark. and blah, blah, blah, blah. There's been explanations. It's a controversial case.

There we go. But she piloted that UFO. And then she went on to claim she piloted other famous UFO videos that have been around. She didn't say she piloted the Tick-Tac. Or Shag Harbor. Or Shag Harbor. Yeah, because not a good job of that one if it crashed. Or Roswell.

Yeah. No, that's right. She didn't claim to have piloted any crashed UFO. That's true. Just ones that fly. Yeah. And then she showed some. some shaky video from southern Nevada.

Yeah. Her and a friend driving car. It's like, that's whatever the name of the creature, his name started with the D, Tulpa Walpah. I can't, sorry, I can't remember. If this alien exists, I apologize. Tulpa Walpa, I'm going to call her.

And, oh, that's her, or him. She's piloting. Look, they're showing. Why? Just to her friend. Just land the damn craft. Yeah. Like, it's just you and your friend,

and you pilot these things. So, why don't you just, your friend just like? You know, when you're piloting one of these crap, why don't you just drop it off like in the front yard of the United Nations or the Kremlin or the White House or whatever and go, hey, look, there it is. What are the aliens? What are they going to do?

Stop you? You're piloting it. No. Because that's not what's going to happen because she did. Yeah. She had gone a bit of a rant or tirade about how things are going to end or what's really going on. Yeah. The Q&A went off the rails a bit.

Got a little gloom and doom towards the end there. But interesting. less for her second talk ever. I thought she did pretty good. Oh, is this speaker. She was fine. Yeah. Again, entertainment is a good word. And, you know, a lot of people may not be going to these things looking for entertainment. They're going to look for answers. But I think at this point with you and I, we're looking for just a good time at these UFO conferences. Because nobody has the answers. Let's be honest. Even the people up there speaking don't know half of what the hell is going on with these things, if anything. We have the answers. We've got it. We just don't tell people. And you can get all of those answers over on Patreon right now. Patreon.com slash summer skies. You want all the UFO answers right now, guys.

Ross Colthard Green room back there. I'm going to give him the answers when he comes out. He'll be here at the end of the show, folks. He's coming. He's coming. So, yeah, I dock for some points for maybe the Q&A. Because it got a little, it was weird. Some lady asked.

Yeah. Dorothy. I'm Dolores. This terrible should know. Miss Saffron, her last name was second. Shot, shot this lady down, so it's not what you think it is. It was all about enlightenment and, what do they call it? The fifth dimension, ascension.

You know, like, whatever. Insert, woo term here. Bingo. Yeah. And Miss Saffron didn't disagree with this person that there was some of this going on, but she did disagree with her that it was open, I think, to anybody. And it was, it was weird. It got a little awkward at the end, a little awkward.

Little awkward, yeah. Not evil or mean, but just she got a little feisty. And the person in the audience who I was sitting near, you were. That seemed to take him reasonably good humor, but was somewhat disappointed that she wasn't going to be ascending anytime soon. It's not going to go the way you think it's going to go. That was her punchline. I give her a C.

Yeah, I'm going to go with a C-minus. She rubbed me the wrong way, especially, I mean, as entertaining as it was to hear her say, she piloted the turkey UFO. I don't believe that for a goddamn second. Sorry, I'm just being honest. But interesting. Interesting talk for sure. She's an interesting cat.

And you know what? I will say this. A lot of people speak at UFO conferences and they'll do the speech and then they book or they go. And if you're running a table selling books and stuff, fair. Totally fine. No problem. But if you're not, you know, you're going to, they go to the restaurant and just hang out with her. She bounced back and she was there for Mark D'Antonio's talk in the end of the

the afternoon. I'm pretty sure she was there for Terry Tobondo's talk. All of them. And she was definitely there for Preston Dennett's because she came with Preston Dennis. So I think she stuck it out for the whole thing. I think give her a little teeny bit of credit for that. Cool. Sorry to step on you there. But the more I'm reflecting, I think every speaker stayed for every other speaker's talk. Pretty much. Dantone was there all the time. That's like you said, that is very rare. Terry Tobondo kept pointing him out and going, now Mark and I disagree. He's an astronomer and I'm an astronomer. I think he took astronomy. undergrad. Yeah. Mark has a slightly different interpretation.

And it's like, you can see Dan Tony if they're going, yes, I do. Absolutely do. That's not a space rabbit on Mars. So yeah, they all went to each other's lectures, which was kind of nice. I respect that. And then we went to lunch. We came back. Jakes, we went to Jakes. We went to Jakes. Had some good pizza. Filmed an episode of Paul Kimball Show at a park. Yes, go subscribe to the Screen Atlantic YouTube channel. You can watch the Paul Kimball show.

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Like, am I at a UFO conference? Yeah, and I'll do. Series premiere, series for that. All in two days. I love it. Who do we have after the lunch break? Would that be Preston Dennett? Okay.

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Download the Price Line app or visit. at priceline.com. Actual prices may vary, limited time offer. Preston Denet. Now, this was the gentleman I replaced last year. He was unable to make it, unfortunately, but I was, again, honored to do it. And I got to finally see him, give a presentation. I've been following Preston Dennett for years now, runs a wonderful YouTube channel. You guys should definitely check it out where he literally just tells you UFO stories, which is clearly my thing. And he does them in that really fun top 10 way. Top 10 cases of UFO's healing people.

Top 10 times someone punched an alien in the face when they got abducted. Like he really knows how to do these. Top 10 cases piloted by Ms. Safferick. Yeah, exactly. That's to come by then if he hasn't done it already. So yeah, I love the guy. He's so calm and like, like, he's a super chill. He's an ASMR video.

Totally. I don't, but he is a very. Yeah. And no offense. I put his videos on sometimes at night because they're like three hours long to fall asleep to. And people do that with somewhere in the sky. I know some of you watching this

right now are falling asleep to it. Wake up! You love the sound of the rumors. Wake up. We're talking Preston Dennett. Mostly says wake up. So Preston. Kind of like Dolly just kind of told a lot of stories

but not from an experiencer perspective even though he is an experiencer. But he told his top four. favorite Canadian UFO close encounters. Only three of which he's going to talk about. Yeah. The others were interesting. He opened with one where like this dude met this super hot pick and started following her around like Tolanto or something in her Cadillac.

None of these stories sound like alien stories. They all sound like episodes of Law and Order Toronto. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, yeah. So he told him this story and she ended up like leaving him some bracelet from Atlantis in her car and it was crazy. It was crazy.

Love that. I had a date like that in Toronto. Ended the same way. Still get the bracelet. Okay. Okay. More than that person did in the case we heard. It's true. He told one about a kid who had seen like an alien gray over a bridge at some point.

Interesting cases. But the case we will not be discussing was controversial to say the least. We will not get into specifics. but it's not a case that I would suggest Preston Dennett continue presenting in public. It was just very highly problematic if one were to interpret it the way that it was kind of presented. It's a case that should be reported to the police. Yeah, let's leave it at that for various reasons. But overall, Preston's a fun, super-chilled guy.

Yeah, I think you put everyone at the knees and, uh, for sure. And, and yeah, it was a good, a good, uh, addition to the day's, uh, I guess, presentations. I don't really know what else to say other than it's the press that I've been listening to for years. And it was good to finally see him, like actually meet him in person. Yeah, if you like, if you like UFO stories, he's a reasonably good UFO storyteller. And I'd give him a C plus because I'm just going to dock him for that one case that we're not going to talk about, which, you know, there's probably members of Congress trying to release the Epstein files, and it might be somehow related to that. Just I'm telling you, folks,

Preston, take that case out of your thing. It's not good. But other than that, I found him a little to, remember this is entertainment value. I found him a little too, he's, he was fine. C-plus is a, you're fine grade. And if you want to hear UFO stories, I'm sure he has a lot of better ones, if he's not forced to do Canadian ones. So if you're in the U.S., like, hey, look, you know, he'd be a good guy to have at your conference because he does seem like a very, very, very nice man, too. Like just a cool, you know, nice guy.

So I'm being harsh with a C plus. I should probably be a B minus. Okay. I'll be a minus. B minus. B minus. I won't penalize him for the one story that he shouldn't include it and that he did go on at some length about it.

Yeah, just for being a nice guy, I'll get him a B minus. Totally. Yeah. I'm going to go with a B plus. as well. Wait, no, not as well. I gave him a B-Mud. I'll be, okay.

You're B-plus? Uncle B-plus. Yeah, yeah. I'll be a bit softer, only because I had been a follower of his for a while. I'm a fan. Yeah, fair. Yeah, and I can't wait to see his next video, so.

No, and it seems like a very nice guy. Again, like no criticism at all for me. Just sort of a, it was like, it was fine. Yep. Cool. Next up, we had Mark Dentonio. Oh, yes. So for entertainment,

value by far the most entertaining speaker. Like just, he brings, he is the anti-Prestendent. And that's not met as necessarily a knock-on Preston Dennett. But Mark Dantonia moves. He's parapetetic. He's, uh, he employs the Socratic method. He's asking questions of the audience. I mean, he's like,

interactive. He's, if I was to call him a low rent Stan Friedman, that would probably sound like an insult. But he has a bit of Stan Friedman in him. Like, part of what I'm doing here is entertain. It's a bit of a show, imparting you information. I'm going to take you on a journey to get, it did take him a little long to get to the point of his talk.

But I found most of what he was talking about until he got to the point of his talk, which I found less interesting, because I sort of disagree with most of it. But when he was talking about astronomy and planets and all that sort of stuff, he could, what was it you said, somebody said to me, might not have been you,

he would make an excellent community college lecturer on astronomy, which might actually be what, he does, I don't know. But he's that kind of guy. He's seen nice, seem very nice in person and friendly. And I thought his lecture was the best put together. Like, Doroth, Miss Saffran's, because I can't remember her first name. Hers was like stream of consciousness.

It went at beginning and end. But Terry Tomondos was very organized, but, you know, sort of meandered every now and then. Preston's was pretty organized, but very ASMR. are. Dantonios was very organized, but kind of like punchy. Yeah. And he would get, I think he might even have known the crowd maybe, but at this point, it was like, oh, we've been up since 8.30 or whatever.

So he's, you know, it's a good guy to put on at the end of your roster to break him up back up again. Yeah. Especially after Preston Dennis, as perhaps put a few of them to sleep, just with his voice. So, yeah, I quite enjoyed his presentation. Yeah. He would, what I give to Bondo, a B minus? I give Dan Antonio a B. Okay.

Almost maybe a B plus. But I grade on a curve. So at least a B. Solid guy. You put that guy in your conference and you want a guy to deliver a solid, well-prepared lecture that's also going to be entertaining. Kank a row. For sure.

Yeah. Super engaging, interactive, crack some really good dad jokes, which I can always appreciate. He makes science fun. And that's the key. If you can make science fun for people who don't understand science, you've won. You've automatically won.

That's a sign of any good teacher, in my opinion, like making it digestible and dumbing it down enough where we no longer feel dumb and we can understand what you're trying to convey. And what he really was trying to convey, I think, was towards the end of his presentation. Okay, this is the possibility of life out there. This is the possibility of how time can be. be bent space time, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he kind of, he lost me at this point, but I found it interesting. He got into how the craft could operate.

Yes. Like how they could travel here. And it was interesting, this whole concept of like tiny black holes that would be around the craft and that's how it would move. Like, it was interesting, but that's when it got in the leads for me personally. And I kind of, he finally got to UFOs. and that's the part that I kind of tuned out from. Yeah, weird, right?

Same here. And it's not that he's not that he's necessarily wrong. It's just I think that's where the science left him. The hard science that you can prove. And now he's more into theoretical Mufon science, which... Is that a thing? I guess. Which I don't necessarily consider science.

And it's fine. It's almost science fiction. It was almost like listening to somebody explain how Starships work in Star Trek. And I guess maybe, but there's no proof there. Yeah. But still interesting and thought provoking. Absolutely. And I can't say he's wrong.

I'm just not going to say he's right. But he certainly raised, you know, like, hey, think about this. You know, I can respect that. Think about this. Yeah. So fair. Yeah. He made me think.

And that it was in an engaging way. And it really kind of, I think it was a good way to. I'm giving him a B plus. I'm popping him up a point. B plus? Think about it. Yeah. Okay.

I'm going to go. with a B, I'm going to go with an A minus. I got to do it. It's always one great ahead. I love, I love Mark Dayton. You gave Ms. Saffron lower grade than I did. So yeah, I'm a big fan of Dan Antonio. He's a good guy. So yeah, he's definitely, I think he was my favorite speaker of the event. You're forgetting so. Yeah, we're not done yet. We're not done. We've also forgotten Darcy Weird. That's the one thing we didn't go to is he was presenting Friday night. We didn't make it. Yeah. And we were having dinner with the, and then basically we're just tired from the drive. We should mention that. Yeah, he premiered his documentary about Puerto Rico

UFOs, UAPs, which I've seen, actually. I saw it a few weeks ago prior to the screening in Yarmouth. And it's an interesting film. Like it really gets into the whole USO mystery. And Puerto Rico itself is a very mysterious place. You've filmed this. You know what it's like. film there with Nick Redford many years ago. I'm quite enjoyed it. It's one of a more enjoyable filmmaking experiences, just getting to go to Puerto Rico, get out in the countryside, meet actual Puerto Ricans, as opposed to some UFO expert in San Juan. Nope, we're in a muddy pig field farm kind of thing in the middle of nowhere in Puerto Rico that our guide found for us. And so I talked to a farmer who said he saw Chupacabra.

Awesome. You know, we talked to a police lieutenant in Mayaguas, I guess, which is in southern Puerto Rico, who had investigated cheap copper cases, et cetera, et cetera. So, yeah, Puerto Rico's cool, a lot of weird stuff. A lot of weird stories, whatever it is, I don't know. And so, yeah, I'll actually look up Darcy's film because I've been there. Yeah, worth a watch for sure. So, yeah, he premiered that film. He did kind of a talk back on it the first night.

Then he emceed the conference because Martin Willis had to drop out. Yes, exactly. Darcy stepped in. Martin Willis was unfortunately not able to be the emcee. He had an emergency. I did speak to him. He's doing great. He sends his love to everyone in Shag Harbor, in Yarmouth, and to everyone who attended.

So shout out to Martin Willis, if you're watching. He's a good MC. He was there last year, right? Yep. He's been doing it a couple years now. Yeah, fantastic guy. Check out podcast UFO as well. But yes, Darcy Weir stepped in and he was the MC.

He did a wonderful job. Really got people, you know, excited for each speaker. and, you know, talked them up, praise them, and then send them on their way to give their talks. So, yeah, yeah, good job for Darcy Weir. Except the last speaker. No, only at the end. He had to go out and somebody had to go out and shut Chris Stiles down.

Oh, yeah. And Darcy bailed on that job. He got abducted at that point. It wasn't available at that point. They almost put me up on stage. Yeah, they were like, What Darcy's nowhere to be found? We got to get Chris.

Get the hook. Get Chris off the stage. Ryan, you go do it. I'm like, I'm not telling Chris Stiles to stop talking. In Yarmine. No, not happening. But let's get to that. Chris Stiles, the man of the hour,

the preeminent Shag Harbor UFO investigator. And he is the headlining speaker every year. Yes, yes. At the Shag Harbor UFO Expo. And kind of gives the same talk. year with a little bit added every year. A little more sprinkles on the ice cream Sunday, I'd say.

He is the silver medalist of people that I have seen. Stan is by, he's like the Usain Bolt of people I'd seen Stan so many times. I saw Stan so many times. But Chris, I haven't done an exact audit of it, but I'm pretty sure if I did, I would say I've seen Chris Stiles speak more

than any other speaker, not named Stan Friedman in my career, attending more than a few UFO conferences over the years. Greer actually might be number three. Wow. Greer or Dolan maybe. But there's a big drop off.

There's like Stan, then a giant cliff, and then Chris, and then a big cliff, and then whoever's number three. So Chris, I see Chris, I've seen Chris a lot. It is more or less the same talk. So, but it's kind of like watching Stan in the last 20 years of his career. It's the same talk, but it brings a sense of comfort. Some of the people probably haven't heard it before. So there's that. Good point.

someone's first time. Yeah, exactly. And he adds a little bit new, every now and then he's got a little bit of an extra detail. He tells it in a bit of a different way. So it's like seeing Henry V has done by the same theater company multiple times, but each night is different. You know what? Perfect example. I went to see Wicked many years ago. I've seen it three times, all with the same person, and every one of those three times it's the same show different cast but different things happened one guy came out the guy plays fiera came running out on the stage and he flopped like he slipped landed on his ass and okay this is now a different show than the one i'm going to see the next time i see it so with chris he's kind of like wicked he is wicked every every show is yeah look at me i'm like paul doesn't know what he's doing so you get to go whor-whor-war i can't do it

yeah i'm not cool um oh that goes Nothing. To my British friends. Peace and love, Ringo would say, Or. For those just listening, they're like,

what are they doing? I don't know. We're making hands on, nice people. Yeah, Stiles, Stiles is, and he's a,

he's a rambled core, he's a shambling sort of speaker. I think you called him the Jack Carrowack. Yeah, a little bit. He's a beat. He's got a beat Nick.

He's the Allen Ginsberg of UFO lectures. There you go. Stan was like, you know, had his thing. He had a script. He would deviate from it, but Stan was pretty on point. Chris, Chris is like all over the place. Chris would be like, I don't know what slide this is.

Here, let me get up. And he'll get up. And he's a big guy and he's old now. He sort of shambles over and he looks. He says, oh, yeah. No, I remember what slide's about. This slide is a document from or whatever. And it's just like, dude, you keep doing you.

Do you, Chris Stiles. it's fun, it's awesome, it's homey, it's maritime, it's Nova Scotia. Yeah. And yeah, I always give Chris an A. Yeah. Even when he's having a bad presentation, he does it from the heart, and he's so invested, and he's done so much, whatever you think Shag Harper is, and if you're Dickie Wiccans, probably still a flame.

But whatever it is, he's done so much research that he's then uncovered a whole other UFO story from the CFS Shelburne from 1960. So, you know, Chris is, he calls himself the bulldog. I think he even wears a t-shirt now, the bulldog, if you call it to you or something. And he kind of is. Yeah. And in that sense, he reminds me of Stan too. Yeah.

So Stan would go, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig. Lie, cheat, steel, as Eddie Guerrero would say, to get whatever, you know, like, tell a fib if you have to, Chris will openly say, maybe I thudged the truth with the archivist so I could get access to the document that I shouldn't have seen. That is a Stan Friedman, that's a Stan Freeman room right there. I love that. Research 101. Do what you gotta do.

Yeah. So, yeah, it's always sort of fun to watch, Chris. It's like having a piece of your mom's homemade bread. It's like just brings the whiff. Yes, this is Shag Harbor. Chris is Shagharber. Chris is Shaghar. Chris and Lori.

They are Shagharb. Yeah, yeah. And not to take away from the incredible work of Don Ledger as well. Who's retired? Yeah. But, yeah, Chris has become, for me, I think the next iteration of a Staddenk, where you recognize the voice. You know what you're signing up for when you start to listen to what they're doing.

And hey, I've seen Chris give this presentation twice now. I've seen him in UFO docs and everything. And you do learn a little bit more every time. And for someone who's trying to make what I want to be, the definitive Shag Harbor UFO documentary, I think it's really important that, you know, we have these people who are still going after the truth, are finding new aspects to the case.

And it's awesome. There's a reason it's called the Shag Harbor UFO Expo. No, it's no longer just about Shag Harbor. They've transcended that, which is awesome. They've ascended. They've ascended. And then, yeah, I think it's awesome. There will always be a piece of Shag Harbor there,

and that's with Chris Stiles. You always have a look like every time Paul Kimmel opens his mouth, I'd lose five subscribers. I'm not making fun of it, people. I'm just using Miss Saffron's words, Ascension. So yeah, Chris is great. It's an A for me. A plus.

Because only Stan gets an A plus. Yeah. A plus across the board. Plus, Chris did two lectures. That's right. Because he's the guy, like at the end of the bus tour, he's the one on the bus talking, which we didn't take the bus tour. We drove ourselves down.

But we did get to CFS Shelburne, and he wrote the book, Sweet, clear five, I think. And without getting into the details of it, it's another UFO case. And he just stood there at the guardhouse. And the whole place is a disaster zone. Like it was a film studio when I was there. It's all gone to pot now. I'll put some video in here.

Yeah. Like he wants, Paul, can you shoot some B-roll on my cell phone to me walking through this place? No way, I can. I'm just not going any further in because the ceiling might fall on you. Dead birds, you know, with like bird flu or something. I don't know what. That's my sense. Yeah, it could be.

It's actually quite disappointing to me because the facility had a lot of potential many years ago. The story of the corruption and everything that went down around that thing, which almost got me murdered, because I had a crazy American who owned the place, literally held a butcher knife to my throat. He's not kidding. I'm not kidding. And threatened to kill me. And some of you were thinking I probably deserved it. And for once I didn't. So I was totally in the right in this.

So yeah, this was the first time I had ever been back since I filmed there in 2009. An experience that almost destroyed my career, led to in some small way, probably me breaking up with my fiancé at the time. We're now married again, so it all worked out well in the end. But this was a horrifying experience for me. I started drinking a lot.

I mean, it's just horrifying. And to go back and see the base, you think I would feel some sort of like, yeah, take that base. No, I feel sad because it is a dump. It's just like racist graffiti written everywhere and terrible stuff. But Chris stands up at the guard and he just, all right, let's roll. And I don't know how long it went on for, but it was about an hour. About an hour.

And it's hot. There was this nice lady in front of us who I'm pretty sure was there with her mom. And she put a sweater over her mom's head to try and keep the sun off her. There were bugs everywhere. And Chris is oblivious standing of that. He does not feel you're paying. nothing. Chris is just going to do Chris. And, you know, if you got to go back to the bus, no hard feelings.

You know, you got to sit down, no chairs, but feel free to squat on the pavement. You know, he did warn everybody not to go into the grass because of ticks. So fair. And they said, don't go down by the, don't go down by the, don't walk any further down because it's full of racist graffiti and deadly stuff because I had warned him tell people don't go down. But having said all that, he just plows through and he tells the story. and then it's like here's the story

and here's how Chris tells the story. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't even know what's over here, but I'm going over here. And look, something down here. And by the way, yeah. What's talking about Russian pencils now? Love it's going on. So it doesn't matter why he was talking about the Russian space program, I don't know, or the American space program. Russians used to come and spy on the space.

And so he said, yeah, the Russians basically were a lot smarter than the Americans. Americans are stupid. Okay, no argument. None for me. And he says, the American spent millions of dollars developing a pen that you could use in space that wouldn't explode from the pressure of guidance. But the million dollar pen. The Russians, they just gave the cosmonauts pencils. And he's like, that was the practicality of the Russians.

They knew how to do it. And it actually reminded me of a talk given by Robert Zimmerman back at the New Frontiers Symposium, which I held in 2006 or seven, because Mac was there before passed away. And Zimmerman was talking about the Russian space program. And one of the stories he told was how the Russians had to go out and do a spacewalk. They had a tear in their suit. And they had to do the spacewalk to fix something so they could get home. And they just put duct tape on it. Whereas the Americans, we probably be like, what are we going to do?

We have to consult with NASA and get 48 scientists in here. And, you know, we probably have a tube of space ink or something. The Russians are like, ah, bucket, put that son. What's the worst that could happen? We get sent back to Russia. So, you know, maybe we die in space heroically. They come back in from the space. No, it worked.

Unfortunately, we have to go home. I will give it to the Russians. They are a pragmatic bunch, for sure. Yeah, they're always so pencils, space pencils. But somehow, a UFO talk, worked that into his talk. So that was a deep, it's like being in Prague. Prague is a city for lovers because if you go to Prague and you haven't gotten lost, you haven't seen Prague.

I can attest to that personally. So they call the city for lovers because you get lost. you have a lovely moment or whatever and you will get lost in Prague and I did and you will get lost with a Chris Stiles picture because Chris is pro you will find yourself and go is that divorce that's the divorce act museum all right give me the map let me divorce acts here there's where the they kill the hydra cassasins I can work my way back to the where I'm supposed to be you got to have a map yeah with Chris there's no map you just got to be willing to surf the wave baby I love that and eventually to where you needed to go.

Oh, that's a perfect description. No, no, no, no, no. Put some Beach Boys music in there or something. Hang 10. There you go. Actually, there you go. Made sense. As a stream of consciousness speaker myself, I appreciate Christos.

Yeah. I, let's see that. I, I, I, heart. There. No. Right. We have one more thing to cover. We do.

We do. We forgot. Ross is waiting. Experiencer session. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah. So this is something that happens at a lot of conferences where they give, they kind of turn the tides and let the audience speak,

you know, because they have just as much of a voice as the speakers do and opinions and thoughts on what UFOs are or aren't or what they personally experienced. So they had a wonderful group that was kind of in charge of this experiencer session. About 30 people there. Yeah, it was one of the bigger ones I've ever seen. It was like three concentric circles. So there was an inner circle at a table, a group of people sitting, lesser group, and then you and I had come late and a few others.

And we were in the third room thinking, oh, they're never going to talk to us. And they did. We all, everybody. Everybody speaks. Which was cool. Very democratic. Even if you just said, I have nothing to say. I'm just here to watch.

Okay, great. Yeah. Thank you. A safe space to tell your own paranormal experience, UFO experience. And it really varied from person to person, which is so interesting. And some people are just like, I'm just here to listen. That's cool. Others had some really in-depth stories.

Some people just saw a UFO, but that can be a pretty profound experience too. He told his UFO story. I did. Yeah. And yeah, so in charge of it was our good friends, Shelley, Heather, the Shag Harbor UFO Expo kind of experience. So shout out to them, if any of them are watching, wonderful people. Heather Doucette, I think she, and Shelley, Gormley, I think I pronounce your last name, right, Shelley. She came up to us and said, I want a picture with these two legends.

And she ninja, she's like, my ninja moves because she kind of got behind this. He's like, okay. Yeah, those are some ops. Those are top-notch ninja moves there. It's like, and then she was like, you got to go get another picture with Terry Devon. Yeah, she's lovely, lovely people. Yeah. I would now, you folks watching, you know me might not expect me to say this because

it could be hard on contact ease and whatever during the day. Nope. This was my favorite thing in the entire weekend. Yes, with a possible exception of food we had in Shelburne. That was pretty awesome. But the Emerald Lake Cafe, if you're ever in Shelvin, good food folks. So, oh, and Mr. Singh's quick and tasty.

Oh, of course. And honeybees in Yarmouth. Those are our culinary recommendations. Yarmouth is the most diverse food place I've ever been. For an East Coast isolated fishing town that has maybe 9,000 people. Yeah, an Indian restaurant, Mexican restaurant, they get a Korean restaurant. Italian.

Italian. You name it. Yeah. They got a Wendy's. They do. They do. Yeah. Yeah, the experiences session, I loved it with one caveat, which I will talk about

briefly in a second. But I am an historian originally by training, and I love, all graduate students have to take a class in moral research methodology, which is basically for Nova Scotians. Helen Creighton is famous for going around, collecting those stories. Just turning a tape recorder on it and letting people tell your story. But studs, turkle, anything. of these historians that have gone and gotten the stories from the people. Stephen Ambrose, you know, band brothers, like, we don't want to talk to the generals.

They're all there. Let's go talk to the corporal or the lieutenant or whatever. Get the stories of the people who are actually there. So I, whether I believe them or not, or whether I, accept what they say is true or not, it doesn't matter. For me, experience your sessions, their stories are important, whatever the truth of it is. And it creates a body of, I won't even speak as a UFO guy, a body of, folk knowledge, the same way that people used to tell ghost stories or sea monster stories.

And I'm not saying that their stories aren't real here. I'm just saying it is similar in the same way as to what Helen Creighton did in discussion with ghosts, for instance. So being there and hearing these stories and seeing people, everybody have a safe space, you can say whatever you want, you know, as long as you don't know, racist or anything like that, but say whatever you want about your stories. Cool, awesome. And most of the, there were probably four or five that I heard.

that I went, hmm, you know, it's an interesting story. You could do a little follow up on that. There was a guy from Peru. Told the story about 55 years ago. His father and him were in, and he's very quiet, very shy and very, you know, how they'd seen a creature, met a creature in the mountains in Peru. And it seemed to have really moved him to the point where he's in probably his early 60s now. And he was, he came to this conference.

He went to that experience or session. He was still shy so he could tell this story. And I thought, okay, this interests me for a lot of reasons. not the least of which is it isn't a technical or a usual western Anglo-Saxon Protestant kind of here we are in America telling our stories here's somebody from you know Latin America telling a bit of a different story from a bit of a different cultural point of view awesome so yeah there were about four or five that I really went cool there were about four or five I went and fair you know you're

gonna get a mixed bag and my four or five might be different from somebody else so that's the great thing too but even with the ones I'd go I'd go the stories are still, you tell your story. Fair. With the exception of maybe one annoying guy, probably shouldn't have told the third story. But here's the thing about experiencer sessions, which I'd love.

And without criticizing anybody by name, Terry Tobondo, I will just say that when my uncle Stan would go to conferences, he would do his lecture, give a professional show, and then if he would go sit in on an experiencer session, which he didn't do all that often,

but if he would talk to people, he would do more like one-on-one or maybe there'd be a group of six people around his table and then start telling stories. Stan knew when to talk. He knew when to shut the fuck up. And at an experiencer session, I believe that if you're a speaker,

you should shut the fuck up. Like you told your story, you had your time, you were paid for it too, which is totally fair, by the way. You know, you've had your moment. Now sit back, go to the session, for sure. Sit back.

If anybody asks you, what do you think about this so-and-so? Yeah. Feel free to chime in. But otherwise, just keep your mouth shut and listen. Maybe learn. Maybe find a thread for your next lecture. I don't know. And then maybe talk to them individually afterwards.

Fine. Don't hijack the session. Even if the moderator comes to you because they're going to everyone, when it lands on you, just go, I've had my time. I'm here to listen to you folks, which is what kind of thing Michael Stan would say. This is your time. Some of these stories are really interesting.

I'm happy to talk to you about it afterwards. Now this is your time. Next. Done. And so I'll give Terry Tobondo credit for showing up the experience of session. He did kind of hijack. Not only that as soon as he was done talking, he left. It is true.

He booked. He stood up. And as soon as he was done, I mean, you could be charitable and say maybe he had to go looking on his wife. Maybe he had an appointment, I guess, maybe. but you know what I think if he'd been further down the table he would have managed to find the time until it landed on him down his bit left and his bit by what by the way was the longest he told a couple of stories which were long in the ender

and then he started trying to get people to get the CE5 app and say Dr. Greer this, Dr. Greer that if you go when you see the beings of light and you can start to see some eyes starting to roll and it's like read the room dude yeah even if you want to tell the story just read the room you're losing the office audience right now. And kudos to Heather Doucette. She let it go on about it, probably a little longer, actually a lot longer than I would have, but she found a way to get him out of it. And then yeah, he stood up about 40 seconds later and left. He wasn't angry. He was just like, yeah, that's what I was here for. So I'm up here. So that's why he gets a B minus because otherwise his presentation for me would have been a B maybe because it was entertaining space rabbits. But yeah, just don't hijack and experience your session. No. Not cool, man. Like he had his time. He told his story pretty succinctly.

I've heard him tell the longer version. You know, get it out in a couple of minutes because you want to be polite. Boom, done. Yeah. And then they came to me and I don't have a story to tell. And I think I went three minutes just saying, what you're doing is important. And I talked about Stud's Turkle and Alcreen. This is oral history.

It's a story. And I love it. This is what UFO conferences should be and used to be during the contact here, a lot of sharing his stories. I value all of you guys and every story you're telling. And that's it for me. Next. And I wasn't even a speaker. Terry was.

So I've gone on a bit about Terry. I know I seem like a bad guy sometimes. This is one of those times when I'm with the UFO people. I'm like, if I'm there, I want to hear your story. Whether I like it or not, I want to hear your story. What would you say? Maybe 20 minutes? More.

I'd say collectively 25 to 30 minutes of a two-hour experience. Yeah. So at the end, they're starting to like, oh, sorry, we're running out of time here. Yeah, you know where that time went, folks. Space rabbit. Yeah. And, you know, I mean, that's the most critical we're going to be because it was a very obvious, I think, misstep on his part. I mean this to help him. It's a friendly suggestion. Yeah. When I say shut the fuck up, you know. Just shut the fuck up. But I mean that in helpful way. Like, just let them have their time.

Exactly. But like you mentioned, so many good things at the conference, you know, it's it's so good to like, I feel like we've found. a new family out there like it's kind of the same people that come every year a couple new faces which is also very excited younger people you know there was in there was a young couple that showed up and they're like yeah we're not from here we just heard about this we thought it sounded interesting we wanted to see what it was all about and that's awesome right the guy from peru or like yeah there were some other people from the u.s that showed up like i think that's amazing that this is no longer just a and we welcome them with open arms yes they did because unlike going the other way, where I'm currently probably banned in the U.S.

We welcome people into our country. Yes, they do. Especially if you were going to spend your tourist dollars in the United States, come to Canada. We're happy to take them. Yeah, I would suggest giving your money here. Less likely to be shot. Totally less likely be shot.

That too. Yeah, and to put a pin on the Experiencer session, that gets an A plus for me. I can't dock the Experiencer session because somebody hijacked it. Yeah. So the session itself, well run, really nice, sweet people for the most part, interesting stories. So the historian in me just went, I'm just, this is,

oh, okay, interesting. And that is not what I would have been like 15 years ago. I would have skipped experience or such as like, I don't hear these people's stories. Like this is about hard evidence, documents, you know, science.

And now I'm like, I've seen the documents and most of them are bullshit and or don't prove anything. I've heard the science. And I don't need any more Congress people. Military witnesses are fine, you know? Like, is the female population?

What's your name? Dietrich? Sure. Yeah, in favor, right? Alex D. Chikin. These guys who have experiences, they're, to me, they're witnesses. They're no better or worse than that lady over there is talking about how her dog was abducting. That did not happen, by the way. Nobody said their dog was a duck.

Not yet. But yeah, these just people telling your stories. That's what gets me off. And it was, that sounds wrong. But you know what I mean? It's the historian in me. that it really digs it. Ryan, put that at the top of the episode.

No, leave that in. That's what gets me off. This week we're talking. Really, is that what gets him off? Now we know. And that's it, folks. Thanks for jumping out. Oh, my God, we're out of time.

We're not going to be able to get Ross Coltart. We're not going to have time for him on the show. I'm sure Ryan will have him back sometimes. Sorry, Ross. Come back to the direction. Sorry, Ross. Not going to happen. You and Matt Damon can wait to deep Jimmy Kim.

reference. But yeah, we don't have time for Russ Coulter today. We don't. Sorry. Sorry. Because we've spent so much time talking about Terry Tobon. Yeah. Yeah. He hijacked our show too. He hijacked our show. Oh my gosh. You hijacked this show too. We love you, Terry, if you have to watch this. Yeah. Yeah. Just some friendly suggestions. He's a Facebook friend. Yeah. And I come at it from the Stan Friedman perspective. You could learn from. Absolutely. Listening is important. There's, hey, I've been given lectures for years now. I still have a lot to learn. The irony. of me lecturing somebody on how to listen. Will, if my wife ever sees this, is totally going to, she'll just laugh for him.

Cut it with a knife. I love it. Awesome. So what would you give the Shag Harbor UFO Expo 2025 overall? Nine Mosley's out of 10. Even though some of the speakers only get C's or whatever, I give it nine Mosleys out of 10. Jim Mosley would like this conference, actually.

I think I've spoken at it twice, I think, before. Yeah. I'm happy to do it for a third time. You guys ever want to have me back. But I come as to just watch, you know, it's just, if Martin Willis goes down again and God hope he doesn't, I'd see it. It's so much fun. Yeah. So much fun.

Yarmouth is an awesome town. Their town motto is on the edge of everywhere. It's kind of true. If you're in the U.S., first of all, sorry. But secondly, you don't have to fly. You can drive up to Maine and hop the ferry over and boom, you're in Yarmouth. They'll drop you right up in the water. Within hours.

You can walk up to the hotel. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it's a bit of a drive from Halifax if you fly. in but it's so much fun people are so nice you know they say that about every conference and it's usually true but these there's such good people and it's really well organized and run they keep on time the most part you know it's like you know where you need to be and what's going to happen and yeah it's some it's great it's great give it a nine only to give eight and a half we'll give it eight and

half just so they have room to grow that's eight and a half at eight and a half mosleys out of ten always room to grow yeah well i cannot wait to go next here to the Shag Harbor UFO Expo. I know we will be there to report. So this has been your official review of the Shag Harbor UFO Expo. Like, subscribe, rate and review, all that good stuff. Paul, what do you got coming up? Anything you could share with our audience here?

It's so bad for Ross. He was really patient. He's being really polite. Sorry, Ross. Sorry, next time. What have I got coming up? I'm going to Italy with my wife in two days. So, yay, Florence.

and then I got a ton of work to do when I come back. We're still doing television shows and stuff like that. You know what? I'll plug this. Got a feature film out there. Not mine. I produced it and co-wrote it, but it's called Lost in Time. My director named Henry Collin that I brought in to do it. Stars Alexa Morden, who's the star, one of the two stars of my last film, The Color of Spring,

wonderful actress and Holly Stevens, my old ghost hunting partner, who's also an actress. So she's in it. And it is based on a play written. by co-written by me and my dear old friend, Mac Tonnies, Tony, sorry, before he passed away in 2007, I think we wrote it. And so I'd been meaning to get it made as a film for many, many years, never did it, decided I didn't want to direct it myself because I was maybe too close to it. So Henry did it, did a wonderful job.

It's on the film festival circuit now. So the title is easy, lost in time. If you see that at an online or physical festival, you know, keep an eye up for it. It's been new and well. Four-star review out of the UK the other day. Yeah. Hasn't been turned down for a festival yet. It's made it into eight or nine.

That's awesome. So, yeah, I'm kind of working to promote that. So that's what I'll promote. Perfect. Because it's got two really good performances, Alexa, and all. Awesome. I love it. Yeah, well, hopefully we'll be able to see it in the future after the festival circuit.

I'll send it to you. Oh, done. And I will leak it to all. No, I'm kidding. But yes, I'm looking forward to that. And again, if you guys can, go subscribe to the Spring Atlantic YouTube channel. We'll put a link in the show notes for that. Paul's got a ton of movies on there.

A couple early seasons of Haunted are going up there. A lot of other projects you've done as well. So yeah, yeah, really good stuff coming on. Including links to a couple of my old UFO documents. Yeah. So there's a bring a full circle. Yeah. And he'll be back here probably, maybe in just a moment.

Yeah. Because when I'm shooting a show called Chef's Kiss, I think I might have just hired you to be an assistant production manager. The glories of having friends in the business as it works. I get on somewhere in the skies. There it is. There it is. Good friend indeed and our good friend, Mosley,

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