Somewhere in the Skies - Ryan's Top 5 UFO Cases!

Episode Date: November 4, 2019

On episode 133 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, Ryan joins Michael McMillian of the Bigfoot Collector's Club Podcast to talk about his Top 5 favorite UFO cases. From Roswell to Rendlesham, Tehran to Michigan, there's some famous cases and some hidden gems that Ryan's come across in his own personal research and investigations. This is a light-hearted conversation about some powerful UFO encounters. So join us as we count them down in ufological style!  Guest Bio: Michael McMillian is best known for his role as the gay American-vampire ‘Steve Newlin’ on HBOs True Blood. His other credits include recurring roles on Silicon Valley, Hot in Cleveland and the critically acclaimed Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. Michael is an Emmy-nominated host for his work on the Game of Thrones Lincoln Center Premiere for HBO and Facebook Live! Michael is an open-minded guy who grew up fascinated by the paranormal. In his lifetime he has seen one ghost and what was probably an alien. Learn more at: www.bigfootcollectorsclub.podbean.com Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan's Book by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is sponsored by HelloFresh. To receive 50% off your first order, use promo code: SOMEWHERE at checkout by visiting www.HelloFresh.ca Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the show, I join Michael McMillian of the Bigfoot Collectors Club podcast to discuss my top five favorite UFO cases. So John Burroughs, along with his attorney and John McCain's approval, they all went to the veteran affairs and said, you need to help this guy. You need to help him. And he won the case. Yeah. So this is the first documented case that the veteran affairs has said, this man was directly affected by a UFO event and his health deteriorated. and we got to help it. That's insane. Yeah.

That's mind-blowing. Wow. This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague. Ryan Sprague with us from Somewhere in the Skies podcast. And I asked Ryan to bring in his top five UFO stories, his favorite encounter stories. And I got a sneak peek at this list. And the cool thing is, I don't think we've done any of these on the show yet. So this might be a good tease or a good, uh, uh, um,

what is it, a signpost to point towards where maybe Bigfoot Collectors Club needs to go next. Nice. Yeah. What do you got? What do you're, first of all, what I want to ask you this? What is in your mind what makes for a good UFO story? A good UFO story for me is not the same prototypical thing over and over again. You know, it was saucer shaped.

It was there for a second and then it zipped away. I believe it happened. But for me, like, that proves nothing. Absolutely nothing. So give me some sort of physical evidence, whether it's photographic, whether it's video, whether it's trace evidence. If I can go to the site and actually find something, is there traces of radiation in the area? Can the FAA tell me that they did or did not have aircraft in the air at that time in that area? What were the weather conditions? Everything plays into it. Now, how often are you actually, as UFOologists, doing that kind of stuff? How often are you actually investigating these kind of, accounts. Yeah, I mean, for me, I am a UFO journalist before anything. So I do tell people, I am a little armchair researcher. I am. I do the show. I write articles about it. But I'm not like these individuals who work for the mutual UFO network, Mufon, who go out there and actually investigate. I've done that several times, and I love doing it. But I like relaying stories. I'm definitely

a relay of stories and information. So, yeah, I'd say it's probably like an 80, 20 sort of percentage that I'm actually out there boots on the ground. Right, right, right. Yeah, I think I'd be scared of some of the stuff I might find. Based on some of the stories on your podcast, I would be too. Yeah, yeah. All right.

So what's your, should we go from least favorite to favorite, like your bottom to top or these entering particular orders? It's a countdown list. Countdown list? You want to do a countdown style? A countdown, cool. So number five, for number five, I would have to go with probably Roswell. I mean, it's an easy one to sort of go to, but it is also kind of what we have and to prove that there is a UFO cover up.

Right. Establishes the narrative of so many things that come afterwards. Yeah, yeah, 1947. Again, the beginning of the modern UFO era, we had one case before that, the Kenneth Arnold flying saucer citing. where the actual term flying saucer was first coin, later changed to UFO by the U.S. government. A lot of people don't know that to sort of squelch the idea that this could be alien. So yeah, I'm going to go with Roswell for number five.

Yeah. If you have to come to just a quick conclusion about Roswell, was it an alien craft and were their bodies? Was there an alien craft and were their bodies? I know this is sort of passive. I'm going to go 50-50. Okay. I 50% believe it could possibly be extraterrestrial.

And probably even splitting that 50% to if there were bodies. I did interview people who claim that. There's evidence that something was found. We spoke to descendants of the gentleman who worked at the funeral home in Roswell, New Mexico. Yeah, that story is pretty fascinating. It's fascinating. Where the Air Force allegedly called him and asked for. I think four to five child-sized coffins.

And at first he was like, I'm going to have to special order those because we don't keep kid coffins in the funeral home. And they're like, oh, okay. You know, and he's like, what is going on? What is happening? And he did ask that. He's like, if there was an accident in Roswell. Because he was scared that there were dead kids.

He's like, what's going on? What happened? Yeah. And they said, you do not have a need to know for that. Just do you have it. Yeah. He didn't. He got them ordered.

And he doesn't know what happened from there. So. So fascinating. Yeah. The, uh, I also love this story. The other, it's that story. And then, um, Matt Brazel is the one who we also get a clue that there were bodies, which is, because he got paid off, I think from the Air Force to keep his mouth shut. Yes, he did.

And he took some of that money to the bar and was getting drunk and people were making fun of him. And someone's like, you've seen little green men. And he supposedly walked out drunk and drunk. turn around and said they weren't green and left which is one of my favorite little gives me chills yeah right either he was serious or he's like a master at suspense suspense suspenseful comebacks yeah um he was not that witty i could tell you that much from uh from what i've heard but sure the a lot of people also don't know there's two crash sites right involved with this thing corona and where's the other crash site um it's supposedly it is

both near Corona. Okay. A lot of people think it happened in Roswell. It did not. That's just where the stuff was brought. Exactly. Yeah. The closest town that could do anything with it. What we discovered is

there was the impact site where the thing actually crashed, went back up. So it bounced. And literally went miles and miles and miles away and actually landed. Then that's when it finale happened.

And that's where supposedly the whatever occupants were in this craft found coverage in a little cave area. Right. And so that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And is that why some people think that there were two crafts, two crafts that crashed that crashed that night? Possibly. But you're saying, and I would tend to agree with you, that it was a thing where it skitted, hit once, got back up in the air for miles, and then finally came back down.

I think so. If that thing was coming in at the trajectory that we've been told it has and a lot of testimony of, you know, what happened, I could understand that, like, coming in at that force. And if you look at the debris that supposedly has been found and was picked up by the military, tiny particles of like some sort of metallic objects, burnt, bent, charred. Like, this thing exploded at a tremendous speed. So it shattered. Right. It's absolutely shattered. Yeah.

I was wondered if this alien metal was so malleable how it would fall apart in a crash. Right. But I guess if the impact's hard enough. Either that or a lot of people think it got shot down. Yeah. Or that they tried to land it and they were looking for a flat area to crash land the object after they were, you know. Shot down or struck by lightning perhaps? Yeah.

Yeah. There was a lightning storm that night. There was. Yep. Yep. Yep. All right, cool. So let's go to number four. Number four. I'm going to go with the Carlos DeSantis UFO of 1975.

I don't think I know this story. Yeah, I didn't know it either, to be honest, until I spoke to a gentleman who strictly investigates cases out of the southwest and Mexico. And, yeah, this happened to a gentleman. He was flying a private plane, a Piper at the time, and he was heading to Mexico City. and as he was in the air he saw three saucer-shaped objects coming towards him he started radioing

being like who's around me what's going on here and all his instruments started to fail his transmissions with the flight towers were starting to fail and the objects

just got closer and closer until he could actually make out that they were saucer-shaped and they surrounded his plane and then one of them actually

hit his fuselage what Yeah, crashed into his plane, and he started going out of control. He started getting back on the radio and finally got in touch with the FAA, whoever was in that area at the time, the flight towers, I should say. And Mayday, Mayday, I've just been hit. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what to do.

And we have actual audio documentation of this happening. Wow. You can find it online. Did he see portals on the saucers? Did he... From what I can gather, from his testimony... Any pilots? No pilots.

All he could see was a dome-shaped craft, solid dome-shaped, not like a glass thing with... Not like the Jetsons. Exactly, yeah, yeah. Exactly. So he couldn't see inside of them. He was too busy just trying to gain control of his instruments and his plane. He didn't know what to do, and he started... He thought he was going to crash.

So how did you make it to an airport? So what happened was, as he was trying to gain control, he said that these craft, these technology, whatever, actually helped him safely land at the airport. They got him to a point where he could gain control. They disappeared off into the mountains, and he was able to land. But when he got down there, clearly something had hit his plane. They were like, holy shit. The people who showed up there were like, what the hell happened to your plane? There's no reason you should be alive right now.

Was they documented at the time? The photos of the plane and everything? Immediately they got this guy into like a psych ward, a hospital, first of all, check him out. And they said, he's fine. Like, he seems traumatized, but like he's perfectly sane. And it's crazy. Wow. What was the name of that again?

Carlos De Los Santos case, 1975. Cool. That's a good one. Awesome. Love that. Yeah, we'll have to look into that one. Yeah. All right.

Number three. Number three. Number three? All right. I'm going to go with the Rendelsham case. Love the Reynoldsham case. Have you guys covered that? We've talked about it. We haven't done a full episode devoted to it yet. Okay, okay. I have a... It's one of those big ones where we try to spread them out a little bit, you know?

It's tough. It's tough. But we have talked about it. Okay, cool. Yeah, you don't want to play all your cards at once. Rendlesham, 1980. This was on a joint military base in England. Rendersham Forest connected, basically connected these two bases. And there was a craft that supposedly landed in the forest. And clearly they had this thing caught on radar and they saw it land. So the bases go into emergency mode. They send dozens and dozens of officers out there to investigate what this thing was.

And I've spoken to many of the officers who have come forward about their experiences with it. my unique involvement was with this is I was in New York at the time as a struggling playwright trying to write a play about this UFO case. So that's how I got in touch with some of the officers and one of the lead investigators on the case. And that was my sort of peripheral introduction to it. Since then, it's just crazy where this case is going. Didn't like one of them read, like, look at hieroglyphics on the ship and then it was like writing shit down in binary code or something that actually made some sense? Yeah. So, I mean, this guy, Jim Penniston, one of the officers who actually touched the craft, got that close. He said the minute he touched it, he saw strange objects on it. When he touched it, something was downloaded into his brain, this binary code. He was able to, like, kind of write it down quick as it was happening to him. Same with, like, what the craft looked like, what the hieroglyphics looked like. And since then, they've gotten this binary code decoded. And it's like,

Lay lines. It's it's these areas throughout the world that a lot of weird stuff lands on the pyramids This that and one of the laylines is apparently Rendell Chim Forrest Oh wow. So you have to wonder why did it land there and what was it and did this actually happen to him? But no entities seen in that Yes, okay there were there were according to one officer at the time very controversial guy came forward his name is Larry Warren and he said that when he went out there as a security police officer he saw the craft

he saw his superiors talking to someone but when he got closer who they were talking to were like three feet tall glowing all that stuff you hear about in like the Hopkinsville

yeah what's that with the glow and the dark aliens why don't we have more of those I know it's like a twilight vampire I guess Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, that was, that's very controversial. He's the only one who's claimed that they were entities seen at the site.

So you got to take that for what it's worth. Right. But yeah, fascinating case. So a few people sent a link, which I have not looked at this weekend. It's the past weekend about some, there's some connection between that and John McCain. Yeah, yeah, that's funny you mentioned that. I just covered that on my show. Oh, really? What was the, can you not show that real quick with the connection between John McCain?

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That's like Calvin Parker did with the Pascagoula. He blacked out. Yep. It seems that always one blacks out and another has an experience. Yeah, weird. So, uh, this guy, John. Burroughs, he blacked out during all this, wakes up to see the craft descend into the air and disappear. He didn't talk about it for a really long time when the whistle eventually blew on this

whole case and a lot of officers came forward. He started having weird health problems due to radiation. And they asked him, when were you around radiation? He said, I, the only thing I could think of was this weird thing that happened to me back in the 80. when I was on his base. So what is up with that? Did this craft have some sort of radiation effect on him? He believed so. He got checked out by the Veterans Hospital,

and they were like, dude, what the hell happened to you? This is far beyond what any human being should have in their system in terms of trace radiation. And he's like, I don't know, but like, I'm having a lot of things happen. This was life-threatening for him. Like this could have like really, it could have killed him. So what he did is tried to get surgery and everything done through the veteran affairs. Because he can't afford that.

Yeah. You know? And it was a big sort of back and forth an argument for a long time with the veteran affairs. Like we, we can't cover this, this, that, this that. John McCain somehow heard about this and was like, I am all for our veterans getting the help they can from this. So John Burroughs, along with his attorney, and John McCain's approval, they all went to the veteran affairs and said, you need to help this guy. Wow. You need to help him.

And he won the case. Yeah. So this is the first documented case that the veteran affairs has said, this man was directly affected by a UFO event and his health deteriorated and we got to help it. That's insane. Yeah. That's mind-blowing. Wow. Awesome story.

Yeah. All right. Number two. Number two. All right. This one is really fascinating to me. This is a woman I interviewed actually in my book. This happened in 2005. Her name is Patty. I won't give away her last name. But she had a triangular UFO sighting in Michigan over her home. What year? This was 2005. Yeah, 2005. Oh, in 2005. Sorry. No, no, no, not at all. And she went out with her dogs, take him for a walk at night. dogs would not leave the porch never happened before she didn't know why she went out saw this triangular thing right above their home she yells for uh some of her family to come out whenever her daughters runs out and sees the thing too so okay she's not imagining this and as they're looking up at

this triangular thing patty the mother starts feeling euphoric and like this is an incredible experience i'm having um i can't explain what i'm feeling but it's beautiful and it's It's silent hovering above me. Meanwhile, she asks her daughter, like, what's going on? She looks over her daughter's covering her ears and saying how unbearably loud this thing is above them. And that it's dangerous and she felt like it was a threat. So right there, that really drew me in. They were having completely different experiences looking at the same exact thing.

One said it was silent. One said it was unbearably loud. But it gets even weirder. after this initial event the third the third person involved the younger daughter one night she wakes up

and she's going to the bathroom and she sees this weird dark entity leaving her parents yikes no think you shadow man get out of my house yep yep um that's that was my first inclination

like shadow people or like maybe like she was tired her eyes were playing tricks on her but she saw the things start heading into her own bedroom. So she runs into her room, gets under the covers, and the next thing she knows, she hears her mom's voice in the room. And she takes covers down. And her mom's like, her mom's there.

She's there. She's definitely there saying, honey, I heard like footsteps outside. What's going on? Is everything okay? When the mom's asking this, the entity is in the room, surveying the room, looking at stuff, like touching. things and she's petrified. She can't even like tell her mom. Mom doesn't see it. Look over there. Mom doesn't see it. So she kind of calms her down. She's like watching the entity look around.

And as the mom's leaving the room, the entity follows the mom out. And then that's all she remembers after that. She eventually somehow goes back to sleep. I don't know how. I would never sleep again. I know. And this is one of those cases where I'm like, things just keep getting weird and weird. They started having weird poltergeist activity in the home after that, after these events. And their electricity went out at one point. They had Con Ed or whoever come out and see what was going on. As the Con Ed guy is trying to fix their electricity, he sees a UFO above the house. What?

And he goes into their house and tells them, I'm out of here. I'll send someone else. I got to get out of here. and it just it just kept going and going it was crazy because that sounds like a ghost story but the ghosts are aliens yeah like it's definitely like aliens haunting a family yes like we're picking you guys out we're kind of claiming the house we're using the house we're scaring away like the rationally minded people you know what i mean it's there's no difference in story structure right between that and a good haunting right yeah fascinating it was like

the doors were open. It started with a UFO and then like, poltergeist slipped in. A shadow person or alien entity was like, okay, I'm going to go mess with them now that you open Pandora's box. I don't know. I'm still working with Patty on this case because things are still developing. She's still having weird stuff go on. The daughters don't really want to talk about it. And I don't blame them. It sounds similar to the Copley Wood stuff too. It really does. Yep, it does. So yeah, developing case still working with her. I'm sure I'm going to talk to her within the next couple months to see if check back in, see if anything else is happening. Any photos, anything? Is there photographic evidence? They have pictures of the ship or anything? They do of the craft.

They have photos of the craft and they're actually pretty compelling. Yep. Are they available to to the public? Not yet. No. Maybe in your book? Possibly. Okay. Maybe future. If you want to see them, I can definitely try to get them to see those. We will not. Yeah, it would be interested in seeing, though. I will have to check with her first, but she has shared them before in the public. So, yeah, I will definitely try to get that to you. Love to see those. Yeah, a little bonus for the Patreon. Yeah, if we can share it with our listeners, that'd be awesome, too. Yeah. I had another $5 to see these photos now. Step right this way. Fascinating. All right. Yeah. Number one. All right. So this is the case that I go to whenever anybody asks me for documentation.

So I did a Freedom of Information request a couple years ago now to the Department of Intelligence, the DIA, part of the DOD. And I had heard about this case. I'd heard stories about it, but I wanted to see if I could actually get anything on it. And I did. They actually responded to me. This is why he has a real paranormal. Well, we talked about, like, if I'm a boots on the ground investigator, I am more of, like, an armchair researcher. So I wanted to do my due diligence and see what I could find on this.

So I hammered them for any information on this one. And I waited probably a year and a half to actually get a response from them. And they apologized. They said, we are so backlogged. Like, we're sorry. But you got to be careful when you do these requests. Because if you don't go in with specifics, they're not going to give you shit. So you have to do your homework before you make these requests.

I reached out to a gentleman who told me exactly how I should word this. who I should direct it to, and he was right. So what was the case? So this was, um, yeah, who was the right person to go to? The right person to go to was, uh, the Department of Intelligence and this was the Tehran case of 1967.

Oh. Yeah, yeah. Uh, this rings a bell. Yeah. So this happened in Tehran, Iran. And strange lights were seen, being seen over the town. And they kind of. People started contacting local law enforcement and the airport be like, what's going on?

Like, there's weird stuff being seen in the area. Like, should we be worried? Is this an attack of some sort? And so the local Air Force base got involved, and they were like, what, like, we know nothing about this. We got some weird blips on our radar, but we should probably investigate this. So they sent two pilots up to look for whatever people were seeing. And once they got up there, they saw these weird, brilliant, bright lights, and the closer they got, the less their instrumentation would work. Wow.

So they got a little scared at that point. They're like, I don't even know if we can make it up to whatever this is to investigate it. They actually turned around and go back to the base. And they told their superior, yeah, I agree. I agree. They told they're superior, we don't know what's going on, but we can't get a lock on it. We can't see it, but it's making all of our instruments fail. So Parvice Jafari, a major, I believe, at the time, he went up by himself.

He's like, fine. You guys. Hold my beer. Yeah, exactly. I can imagine this dude doing that. He did. He was like, fine, you're too chicken. I'm going to go up there.

So, you know, as a veteran who had flown so much, he was like, I'm going to take a crack at this. He goes up. and he actually got super close to whatever this thing was and saw a structure to it. It was diamond shaped. Cool. Which is pretty cool. I don't hear that often. No, close encounters has one of those, a couple of those little, but they're little.

Right, right. This thing was huge. He said that it was probably the size of like a Boeing, like a huge jumbo jet. And insane, yeah. So he gets close to it, has the same problems. his instruments start to fail. But what was interesting is, as he's looking at this huge diamond thing, a smaller object came out of it and started following his plane. And that's when he started getting worried.

He's like, this isn't just one thing. Like, there's some other things attached to this. And it started following him. Yeah. Like some sort of probe or drone started following his plane and got a lock on him. So right now he's in a dog fight with a UFO. He's following it. It's following him.

He gets a lock on it. It gets a lock on him. Does he fire at it? So he actually was going to fire on it, but it made like these unbelievable maneuvers and got behind him and then got the lock on him. So now he's trying to outrun the UFO. And what he does is he takes a negative G. This would be such a cool scene in a movie.

Yeah, totally. I'm just watching this. I know. He can see it. Yeah. And this was all in the documents. got this is crazy about this guy's testimony so he makes a negative nose g-dive or what have you and um out maneuvers it and that thing like crash lands apparently into the mountains and he doesn't know where it

go it went from there the diamond-shaped mother ship as i presume uh took off as well you know event over but he goes and investigates it the next day uh in the town where supposedly the landed. No one saw anything, but they did hear some sort of explosion in the town. There was trace radiation found in the area. The way the defense intelligence agency got involved in America is we were releasing our planes to Iran at the time. So it was our aircraft that Parvistrafari was flying. So they wanted to know what the hell happened and what out-maneuvered our technology. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's how they got involved. They wanted to do their own personal investigation. They worked with Jafari and then eventually told him, never talk about this again.

Oh, Jesus. So he, it goes even further. He spoke in front of the National Press Club in Washington about this event. And we lost him a few years ago, unfortunately. Oh, no. But we have all this documentation and testimony to rely on when it comes to this case. That's why it's number one for me. We have government documents. We have the testimony of a military pilot and we have a clear cover-up as well. Don't talk about this. He did. Wow. God, that's too bad he's gone. I know. That seems to be the problem with a lot of these UFO cases. It's a race with the undertaker when it comes to it. Well, and especially Roswell, you know, like that's what when I mentioned on the main feed episode with you that when Dennis Balthazar took us around town, not only are his first, secondhand

witnesses dying, a lot of the original buildings are being torn down in. replaced by he's like pretty soon i'm going to have fewer and fewer i'm going to have nothing to actually point at and be like this is where this thing was yep um so we found that too we were able to find you know third hand or distant relatives of jesse marcel uh to speak to but yeah like what do you do when your first hand witnesses are gone you know maybe the cover up one at that point but we're not done a lot of ufo investigators aren't done we're going to keep digging yeah wow fascinating Oh man, great top five listens. Yeah, that was awesome.

New stories that we should dig into on our podcast as well. But Ryan Sprague, thank you again. Go check out his podcast and we're in the skies. Check out Roswell Mysteries Decoded. I hope you do more TV stuff because I thought you were a terrific host. Thank you, man. You're natural. Just be yourself.

I would watch a show with you hosting. Absolutely. And I thought you managed to pack in so much information in those like 45 minutes. We tried. Yeah, you avoided these sort of like tease it out, tease it out kind of stuff that you see on a lot of these shows. Right. We wanted to inform new people of the case, but then bring something new forward. Otherwise, what the hell is it?

And not a lot of repetition, which I appreciate it for sure. So awesome, man. Thank you. Good luck on your future endeavors. We'll be watching your work. Thank you very much. Awesome. All right, that is it for this week's episode.

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