Somewhere in the Skies - Shannon LeGro: BEYOND THE FRAY

Episode Date: January 13, 2020

On episode 143 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, Shannon LeGro returns to talk all about her new book, Beyond the Fray: Bigfoot, which features personal eyewitness accounts and terrifying encounters with Bigfoot and several other mysterious creatures. Most were taken from the transcripts of Shannon's popular podcast, Into the Fray. After hearing several of Shannon's favorite stories from the book, we move on to her other major project of 2020 which is hosting the upcoming Small Town Monsters docu-series, On the Trail of UFOs. We hear about her travels across America to interview witnesses and researchers of the ever-elusive UFO phenomenon. Order Beyond the Fray Bigfoot by CLICKING HERE Pre-order Beyond the Fray: Paramalgamation by CLICKING HERE Subscribe to Into the Fray on all podcast platforms or visit: www.intothefrayradio.com Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan's Book by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is sponsored by HelloFresh. To receive 50% off your first order, use promo code: SOMEWHERE at checkout by visiting www.HelloFresh.ca Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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To contribute and to learn more, visit www.com backslash SomewhereSkies. Thank you for your support. And now on with the show. This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague. Skathing indictment. Scathing. Behind scenes, what we really think of you. Yeah.

So, for anyone listening, I'm going to push record. It's official. I want to try to make this all professional. but I can't because it's Shannon. For anyone listening, we've been speaking for about half an hour, and that half an hour will probably never see the light a day, but maybe

to our Patreon subscribers and the insiders, we'll see what happens, but for those who have been following my journey on the first, what was it, like 50 episodes maybe of Into the Fray, or you've been following her work since the beginning,

you know who this person is, Shannon Legrow, host of Into the Fray radio, and she has stepped further down the rabbit hole and into a new book project called Beyond the Frey, which we will be discussing today among many other interesting topics. So, Shannon, thank you so much for coming on Summer in the Skies again. Sir, thank you so much. I appreciate that very much. Thanks for invite me on.

My pleasure. I've got a nice little bourbon here to cheers to you on your first book. Thank you very much. How does it feel? You know, like I said before, we hit the old record button here. I always kind of almost bragged about how I'd never have a book out. And here we are. It's seen the light of day.

No, it's a wonderful feeling. And I have a wonderful partner in the whole thing. G. Michael Hoff, first name Jeff. He's been wonderful through this whole thing. And he is the one that, you know, he really initiated the contact between. the two of us and and look where it's lettuce so uh thank you thank you Ryan of course yeah that led you to be on the fray bigfoot which we're going to get into in a little bit but um I want to talk first the last time we spoke was right before storm area 51 that shit came and went so I would love to hear

your thoughts on how it went I know you live out in the Nevada area where this all took place um so were you able to make it out there or have you heard any rumblings about how it all went down like what was what was going on on there shit the only regret i have is the fact that george knapp himself actually went out to the the storm area 51 of course he did and he you know he was doing his reporting as well he should yeah he's definitely on the pulse of all this stuff and that's my only regret other than that you know it was quite the dead i mean what was the number uh the initial number of people saying i'm going i'm in a storm area 51 what was that number three million or something yeah it was like

80 kids in pretty much EDC outfits and like EDC is Electric Daisy Carnival, which I will never be caught dead at one of those, by the way. God bless you all, but no. You know, the tutus and the socks up to the thing, like you're going to CrossFit, but you're definitely not going to work out. It's no. But yeah, Stormary 51 didn't quite turn out the way they hoped. Thankfully, no one even went up and touched the gate as far as I know, which is, you know, was a federal. fence or is that not what happened? No, you are, you're correct that

one person was arrested. Oh, I heard this. Wait, what do you do? Or she do? It was a she and she was 87 years old. What? She pissed on the gate. This is what I heard.

I could be, maybe this is a rumor, but I heard that an 87 year old woman went up to the gate, peed on it and they had to restrain her. What's the logistics on that? She actually, did she climb on the gate? Because, you know, the gate's kind of high. It's like chest high. Right, right. She's on the, on the pillar. I do wonder. Yeah. I mean, I'm just, I'm a logistics person. So I'm kind of as you should be.

She doesn't need a citation for that or to go to Alamo jail. She needs a little mill. You pissed on the gate? I mean, she didn't touch it. If she didn't touch it, well, fine. Right, right. I think she's the hero in all this, not Maddo Roberts. Come on. That is wonderful. How did I miss that story? Yeah, I might have come across it at 3 a.m. after a couple of many, too many drinks. But that was at the extent of what I heard went on out there. But I know Jeremy Corbell had an event. Maddie Roberts had his own event. There was another one going on in a town over.

So, like, even before this thing came to be, like, it was already, like, broken to begin with. So I don't know. You know, maybe it'll become a new thing every year. If that's the case, I know Maddie Roberts, the guy who started the face. group. He's now going to make this an annual event. It's going to be like a big concert thing and money's going to go to charities. So you know what? If that's what this turns out to be, I'm all for it. I said from the beginning, like, if we could focus our energy on good things, instead of like, you know, making money off of people and selling $15 bud lights with an alien on

the front, like, let's get that money to go to something good. So who knows. Who knows what's going to happened next year. But Storm Area 51 wasn't so much a storm, I would say. Did, uh, there was rumors that they, they did have a stage because I saw it behind George. Did people like Paul Oakenfold actually play out there? I think so. I mean, there were some, there were some musical acts that. Where'd the money come from for that to pay him? You got me. Who knows, who knows. Maybe the government paid for it. Maybe. Maybe the whole thing was organized by Area 51. Whoa. What a about that guys.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know why they would want to deal with 87-year-olds pissing on their gate, but hey, maybe they just didn't see that one coming. I mean, who would? That's amazing. Who would? Yeah, she caught him by surprise, and that's what you've got to do out there. We've seen everything.

Like, you got a copy? Yeah, we got Hilda out here. She is pissing on the gate. Again. Hilda, again? Meanwhile, she lives. She lives. out there, you know? She's like, I'm here every day. What's a storm area 51 crap?

No, I will admit, though, I went out and it was just my local grocery store. Yes, people, we do have grocery stores here in Las Vegas. In New York City, too, people don't think we eat grocery shop. We do. Do you like, I mean, do you always catch cockroaches the size of cats every single day since you're in New York City? Of course. Yes. Of course. Yes. You keep it as a leech trained? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Do you always. need a leash. It's a law here in New York. Leach trained roaches. Yeah. So you've got grocery stores. Yeah, it was weird, right? You actually like eat there and like cook there and like go to school there.

Anyhow. I did it. I went to my local grocery store and bought one of those cases of the cans with the aliens on it. So I proudly kept a few of those. And the box, of course, just had to. Because I was like, well, they never make these again. I should probably do this. And it's funny because I posted a picture and people are like, I will give you $100 right now for that. Like that stuff's going to be a colloquy. It's going to be like those people who sell surge soda cans online now for like, you know, two grand or something. If I really get hard up, I know what I'm selling first. I got to sell you. A lot has happened since our last conversation. You went on the road to hunt UFOs. You wrote and published a book and you're taking

the book to many different levels. We're going to. going to cover all of that. But I'd love to start a little with the book itself, Beyond the Frey Bigfoot. How did this book come about? And you mentioned the other author and a person who got involved. How did this all happen? So, you know, the nice thing about having a podcast is the content is already there. It's in a very different form, obviously, but people trust you enough to come on and they tell sometimes a story that they've not even maybe even told their spouse or their parents, you know, if they were little, or if they told their parents, their parents kind of brushed them off, which we've all had that experience, right, as far as our own paranormal stories. And it's always

kind of been there. I will admit that I have thought about it before, but as jokingly mentioned, but not really jokingly, it just wasn't really in the cards for me to write a book solo. And Jeff emailed me, and I just, I gravitated towards him right away. He's a wonderful, writer. He is a fictional writer, and that is to say, this be on the Frey Bigfoot, nor will the others be fictional works. These are strictly taken right from the witness's mouth and transferred onto paper in a way that is proper for reading for him. And, you know, he just, he knows what he's doing. He's a wonderful writer. And between the two of us, we chose some stories. And obviously, we had these people's permission before they got put into the book. And, you know, his, his fictional background,

he was, but he was straight out. He's like, hey, you know, I write, uh, I write westerns and I write post-apocalyptic fiction. And he is a fantastic writer, you guys. And I was telling Ryan, like, he's, just go check him out on Amazon. G. Michael Hoff, H-O-P-F. And that is, you know, you can find him online as well, g-Michaelhoff.com. But he's, he's, he, he's, he, he's, he. He-Michaelhoff.com. but he's he's a best-selling author and he is prolific i mean when i looked him up i was like whoa where's this guy been my whole life yeah and you know his books are he goes down which is it's got to be so much harder to do but he has a you know a series of books that'll follow this line and this storyline with these characters and you know all about talking about character development is

taking a character from a book one to book three or four i mean that's just uh you have to have a talent. So anyhow, I teamed up with him and we chose these stories. Now, it's not all 100% Bigfoot. We did put in a few dogman stories. So, you know, the title may be slightly misleading, but it is mostly a Bigfoot book, all taken from my show. But the caveat to that is, there are several in there that were never aired on my show because they were not comfortable enough to even do that. But, you know, they got in touch. And it is. in the book. And these stories, I will say, are some of my favorites. And it's probably really going to sound hokey to say this because it's my book. But even though I've heard these stories firsthand,

I mean, they're basically, I mean, not my stories, but you know, I'm saying, they're from my show. I have heard them, as you know, you record, you edit, you've heard them again through whatever, means, you know, it happened to come up. I will say that even reading them, it got me again. It kind of got me for some of these, especially some of the ones that are more than nail biters. And they're all kind of on the edge of that. It'll get you. And some of the reviews so far are fantastic, guys. And thank you so much for that. And Ryan knows. And we harped us to death, even for just our podcast. But my goodness, if you guys have, you know, read either one of our books, You guys have no idea how much the reviews on Amazon help us out.

So if you could just take those few moments and leave that review. But, you know, saying, I had to keep the lights on. I read, you know, the book, Shannon and Jeff's book, and I had to keep the lights on, really freak me out. Or I was sitting in a parking lot and I was locking my doors. I'm like, this is fantastic. That is what we were going for. And so far it's worked really well.

You're so right, Shannon. The stories, they never leave you. And no matter how many times you hear them, that's the same with my witness account episodes that I do of my show where, you know, people call in and tell their stories. And when you're editing, that's like one thing. You're trying to make it sound rhythmic or, you know, clean it up or do this. But when you really sit down and listen to the stories from the voice of the people experiencing it, it brings it to a whole other level. Like nothing you could write or I could write would ever convey what they truly want to say.

So the fact that a lot of these stories in your book come directly from the witnesses, that's rare, and that's something you don't get that often. So I was so happy to see that's the way the book was structured. And there were a few that really stuck out to me. And the first one that really got to me was a story titled The Cries of a Baby. Oh, one of my favorites. Maybe running us through this one a little bit. Yeah. Okay.

I will happily run through this one. Now, this one, this is one of the stories that never aired on my show. I do believe that Derek has probably told it on other shows, but it was not verbally told on Into the Fray. So, yeah, this is, yeah. If you guys are considering going out solo to Bigfoot, you might change your mind. So Derek Randalls is, and I've met him in person, fantastic human being. all of the Olympic project crew, Shane Corson, David Ellis. He is the, he's the audio guy that you guys hear a lot of times will play these clips that he has cleaned up,

and nobody does a better job than David Ellis at that. But that is the Olympic project in Washington State. So, Derek Randalls. And so this is basically after he's really caught the bug. He caught the bug in 85. And that was a sighting that he had. But what's funny is that's not what this story is. And somehow it will still creep you out.

So this encounter occurs in the late 90s. And he admits that, hey, I've got the Bigfoot bug. I'm going to talk to whoever I can. I want to talk to the big guys. And he finds one of the biggest and brightest stars in Bigfootery. and that is the renowned Grover Krantz. And Derek, Derek goes, I like to say that he invited me over, but I'm pretty sure that I kind of invited myself over to Grover's house,

which who wouldn't, right? So he goes over. And, you know, they're just, they're just bullshitting about Bigfoot and the ins and outs of it. And he's just like, so, I mean, you know, where would you go, Grover for the best place to see a big fits? and he goes, McCall, Idaho. And he's like, wait, call Idaho for a big foot?

What? So he's so intrigued by this. He's like, okay, I'll bite. So McCall, Idaho. Great. So what about, you know, calling one in? Like, what tactic would you use to, quote, unquote, call in a bigfoot? And Grover replies, I would play the recording of a baby crying.

and Drew's like, oh, okay, cool, awesome. And lo and behold, guess what? They have a new baby at home. So he goes home. And he proceeds to record his son crying for any amount of time, whatever it was. Because then, and this is probably back in the day of a cassette, right? Like a lot of you guys out there may not know what that is. You younglings.

I still have my vanilla ice cassette downstairs. You can hate on me all you want. You know, ride that train. Ice Ice Ice Baby. Yeah. I don't play it. Go Ninja. Go ninja.

Go. Ninja. Go. Yeah. There's just nothing like cassette tape. I have no way to play it, but I'll never get rid of it. Anyhow. Sorry.

It's not my fault. No reason to bring up vanilla ice, but I did. There you go. This is what happens. This is exactly what would happen on our intros for End of the Prey. It was bound to make it. into an episode. Yeah.

So he records his son crying and he does in fact go out to Idaho. He goes to, I believe it was a burnt fork in the Blue Mountains. And okay, now let me set the tone for Derek. Derek is a complete badass and he still is to this day. He's built very well. He's very fit. He goes out hiking. I'm talking for hours and hours by himself.

still to this day and he did on this day and he goes out for six hours by himself and he hikes for six hours in one direction and it's starting to get late so he finds a large tree with a pretty good vantage point and he's basically he's looking out over not a ravine per se but you know an open area and then it dips into like a creek area and he does in fact have um like a night shot camera it's It's got like a Gen 3 night vision monocular, which they're so bad at the bone. If you can ever play with a monocular guys, amazing. Just a little side note here. When you're all, quote unquote, big footing, raccoons and deer, and even, you know, if there happens to be a bird up that late for some reason or a squirrel,

they sound like a damn eight foot tall, whatever the hell, when they're going through the underbrush, if it's dropped. So if you have something like a monocular, it's. It's very advantageous for you because you immediately go, what is just a little fat little raccoon over there. You know, do you imagine if like something heavier? Yeah. Yeah. And not to say that people can't differentiate if, you know, a 10 foot tall creature is thumping through the woods. I'm just saying that little things can sound very, very big sometimes.

So that's a great way to do that. If you can afford one, it's definitely the way to go. That being said, I don't have one. But of course, I'm back in Nevada. So there you go. Not really much of a reason right now. So anyhow, it finally gets dark out. And I think he actually says it's pitch blackout.

He hits play on this looped recording of his son crying. And he does, in fact, admit, after about an hour, he gets a headache. A big shocker there, right? And more time passes. And he's actually considering shutting off because there's absolutely nothing happening. And it's fun because there's always the timing of things. And as he's thinking about shutting it off, he hears a very loud crash from the opposite side of where he's sitting. And the smart thing about Derek, he goes out by himself, which a lot of people are like, well, that's not smart.

Okay, but if you met Derek, you'd probably understand a little better why he's okay doing that. But he also does go out armed because, let's face it, it's probably not for the Bigfoot's is. It's for the cougars or the psychotic people that you may run into. Micah Hanks has a great story about running into a real freak in the woods, a human being, which will always stick with me, the man in the overalls. But he does, in fact, take his pistol out, you know, just in case. And five minutes later, this thing is still like crashing around, just making a ruckus. And he can tell it's really, really big.

and the unfortunate thing is it's making its way towards him and the baby cries are still going he hasn't stopped those going quite yet and he's starting to wonder if it's such a good idea to be doing this this is when it dawns on him he's totally alone yes he has a firearm but how many times have we heard people go once I saw it the firearm I was holding would have done nothing but pissed it off yeah I don't know

the exact gauge of what he was carrying but I can almost guarantee you he probably say the same thing. So he actually has the foresight to ready the camera because it does have a record feature on it with the pistol in the other hand and the crashing's getting louder and louder and he's getting more and more scared and realizing it's a bad idea,

especially when he can hear that it is on two feet. And he knows for sure this is not a lot. an ungulate or anything on four feet, it is on two. And I think at this point he's describing it as, it's like a linebacker running

through the woods, which would be horrifying if you're out in the dark and you're by yourself. So he loses his nerve, he shuts the recorder completely off and the crashing stops absolutely interesting. And

if you wanted, I could go into a story after this that coincides with this very thing. But yeah, the crashing stops, which I have a story of myself, but the crashing stops instantly the second he starts the recorder off. And now it really, really gets scary for Derek because all he hears is extremely deep, heavy, raspy breathing. And he estimates, this is bad. He estimates it was probably only about 60 feet from him and whatever this was.

Now, keep in mind, he cannot see it. It hasn't actually come through that last part of the wood line across from this ravine that he's in or on top of. I apologize. So he's listening to this breathing. And, you know, having this part come from Derek, it was kind of sad and it bummed me out. But at the same time, I completely got it. But he said the second that he heard the breathing and he realized what situation he was in, he was completely done with research at that point.

He was like, I'm out, I'm done. This is bullshit. It's too much. I mean, it's one of those. Be careful what you ask for things, right? So three or four minutes, I think, or maybe up to five minutes, this breathing is going on, which is a really, really, really long time. Oh, yeah. You know that.

Like hours for him, too. Yeah. We both had sightings that lasted five to whatever seconds. that seemed long enough. Three or four minutes is a damn eternity. And now the breathing completely just stops. Okay. And it's silent.

And he admits like, this is almost worse. Because where the hell is it? Where to go? Yeah. No clue. And how it gets that quiet, he doesn't even know.

So he waits for a while and a while turns into morning. And he admits he wakes up and the birds are chirping, the sun is shining. And he didn't have any of the, feelings and the anxiety that he had the night before. Like he felt like he was safe and it was, it was probably gone. And he did go over to where his best estimate of, which it wasn't that far, so it was pretty good estimation of where this thing would have been standing.

And sure enough, there are two extremely large impressions and a large game trail, uh, through the brush leading to that spot. So, you know, to him, he's going, okay. So yeah, that totally. happened and what I thought it was is probably exactly what that was. So he, now keep in mind, he's still six to eight hours from where he's supposed to be to his truck to get out of there. But he makes it out. He says no other encounters, no other sign, nothing happened, no creepy feelings. But I think, and this is so cool that Derek said this, because I've heard him tell

this story in person, of course. He goes, it was just so disrescent. respectful what I did. I played the sound of a baby crying and obviously it upset this thing so much that it comes it comes rushing down. Now goodness knows what was going through this thing's mind. We don't want to put any, you know, human emotions or anything on a big foot. We don't know for sure. But it is suspect that you stop the crying. It stops. And now, He's, you know, it was that raspy, heavy breathing because he knows how stressed out. He made it. So for him, now, thankfully, obviously Derek didn't stop researching. Obviously, he's still doing it to this day and had other encounters. But for him to go, that was so messed up what I did to that Bigfoot that day. You know, and it makes you wonder, as far as the impressions go from what I've heard him, like, in person tell me,

it sounded like it was a male but you would think you would think it was a female caring why as a baby crime but it could have been almost like it was concerned for the child oh absolutely nurturing sort of thing yeah he's like what what if i wouldn't shut that off and it came through and saw me what would have happened oh my god what i'd be here yeah i mean that's you know that's one of the on the no list i have my no list and i'm like that's no No, I mean, but that's the power of it because he didn't see anything. Right. Which is almost scarier. Absolutely. Well, yeah. And there's the other thing, too, right? Because you're thinking of, uh, and we've heard reports, which sounds astonishing.

And I, people say this, but take a tape measure, guys, and go in, I've done it before. Early on my days of Sasquatch Chronicles, we had someone come on and go, excuse me. Yeah, I saw a 10 foot tall sat, you know, like 10 feet. Oh, that's tall. No, no, no. Get a tape measure. Take it from the floor up to 10 feet. Oh, my goodness.

Talk about shitting your pants. I mean, if any of them do get that big, which, why couldn't they have to get eight feet tall? I mean, because look at human beings. Again, not to put anamorphic qualities on the big foot, but there's, you know, we've got the very, very tall human. human beings, if you ever saw something that big, that's why it's so important that these people actually agree to come forward. You know, they talk to you, they talk to me, they talk to Jim or Mike or whoever it is. It changed their lives. You know, it changed everything. And some of these people have never gone in the woods again. You know, there's another great story from the book

where he saw the Bigfoot holding something. And what the Bigfoot was holding was enough for him to go, oh, hell no. They have, you know, there are other things going on out there. And yeah, they have to eat, right? I mean, what can you say to that? So anyway, that is Derek's story. And if that doesn't allay any fears as to, gee, I mean,

should I go out, you know, eight, eight hours? Yeah, that would be enough for me to not want to do it again. No, you said you have a story too that's kind of connected to this, to this. Are you willing to share that? Absolutely. And I'm sure that some of the, the phraseys, which, you know, I think you coined that term, didn't you? TM, baby. That's all my right.

I'm getting that coin every time someone says it. That's Rylos, guys. Okay. Crazy is Rylos. That's like that dude who tried to copyright Secret Space Program. Come on, dude. Well, I never heard about that. It is an actual thing. A guy tried to copyright the term Secret Space Program.

Anyways, we don't want to give him any air time. No, that's just painful, silly, dumb. So back to... Yeah, so the recording. Oh, yeah, the recording, yeah. So Washington State. Oh my God, I'm so bad with years. 2014, I believe.

We went to the Brown property in Washington State. I was still on Sasquatch Chronicles. And, you know, Sarah and John Brown, they, with members of actually the Olympic project, captured the quote-unquote linebacker on the ridge thermal. That is the one that looks like if you take Jay Cutler and you shaved his head and you just took him from like the, pardon me, but the nipples up. Okay, so his, his pecks and his massive traps and his shoulders and his head on a thermal. That's what it looked like.

Anyhow, we can put that in the show notes for you, folks. Go to somewhere in the skies.com. Be on the lookout for that. Sorry, inside joke. So we're out of the brown property. And we're, I don't, it must have probably been John or Sarah in relation to Derek's story, to be honest with you. So that's why it ties in so well. but we're like, okay, well, because now you don't have to tape your son.

Now you just get on YouTube and you play a baby cry. And we did that. So we're playing the baby crying and it had been a while. And Derek's right. It sucks to listen to something like that. And it wasn't like we had it on big speakers or anything. And sorry, backstory. Brown property.

Very active. Sarah and her husband had had numerous sightings of Sasquatch. in and around this area. Their property looked out on a, you know, a valley. Yes, there are other people around, but not eight foot tall, you know, 800 pound once. So they believe they're experiencing Sasquatch. So we go out there and we're playing the baby cry.

And I'd have to go back to my notes because I hate miss speaking about times and stuff because I understand that people are very, they'll get you on that. And they should. it could have been playing anywhere from 30 to 45 minutes guys I don't know I'd have to go back to my notes but this just came in too perfectly to tie it in Derek's story and I haven't told in a while we're playing the baby cry and sure is shit we get whoop whoop whoop whoop three in a row and whoops are something you got to have some lips to do

so whoop whoop three in a row always and it would wait a couple of few minutes and do it again I'm like oh shit

is this really going down and it was whoop whoop whoop just like that and at one point it stopped and then it moved from I would say our two o'clock position back to probably, I don't know, maybe a five o'clock position.

So we felt like it was flanking, something's going on here. Again, like Derek says, might be stressing it out. Whoop, whoop, whoop. And it sounded, even Wes agreed. It sounded very, very sing-song, which was interesting. So, again, not trying to assume it was a female Sasquatch or anything that would care about a baby cry, but it sounded sing-song. And I'm not even gonna, I don't sing.

I'm not a singer, so I'm not gonna try to, you know, perfectly. But yeah, it was a, so it was the three whoops, but it was very sing-song, almost, you know, pretty. Like, you know, like a lady, like some kind of a lady, saskwaddle might do. And so that's interesting. And of note, of course, we cannot see it.

So I cannot say it was a saskatch for sure. I will never, ever say that, because it did. can see it. But it's playing, it's playing, it's whooping, it's whooping. And finally, the phone dies. It had been playing for, I don't know, an hour, maybe less total, and the phone dies. And the second, the phone dies, the whoops completely stop. We don't hear crashing. We don't hear

footsteps. We hear no more whoops. Nothing. And as far as we could tell, it was only the one, whatever it was. And so, yeah, I mean, that's just my quick tie into that. But that's my firsthand experience with playing a baby cry, a very annoying sound. And quote unquote, calling something in. Yeah, there's got to be something to it. It sounded big. I mean, and I've said that before about the whistle in salt fork.

It's hard to explain. And even if you had it on a recording, it wouldn't come across this. way ever so you guys that are like where's the recording well even if I had it even if Wes and I had that it wouldn't it wouldn't come across I'm sorry it wouldn't even translate and it was raining it was Washington

state so yeah it's the same with we didn't have a lot that a lot of that stuff oh right and it's the same with you know videos people always say that you know it was it was cylindrical it was you know self-illuminating it I could see like you know machinery on the craft and then you look at the video

and it's just a white dot in the sky. It's like, that's why video evidence and audio, like, it's good when you have it, but you can't base everything off of that. The witness testimony, you know, when you then put that with the video and audio, that's when you get like the full story, you know. Man, there's nothing more annoying than night video of UFO. I know. I'm sorry, but it could literally be anything. I mean, did you see that recently? video from here. Me and Sam were going back and forth

about it. It was very bright and it looks like it's pulsating, but the problem is in the very beginning of the video, when you look at the ground, even the street lights and all the house lights and everything of Vegas is strobing and flashing exactly the same because it's just the

frame rate and the way that his phone or whatever he was shooting it on picked it up. And look at BC 135s and And Las Vegas Metro just got, I mean, we're talking like an $8 million aircraft. EC1, it's not a 135, it's another tail number for that.

But they have two lights on their tails, one right over the rear rotor blade and one on the actual, the tail that runs from the body to the rotor. And it's a helicopter, guys. Like, I mean, we got to have some critical thinking here. Like, it's, you know, it's a cool video and everything, but I'm, geez. It's never going to, it's always going to pal in comparison to the actual testimony of the witness, in my opinion. Absolutely.

You know a lot. Shian, you know a lot about aircraft. What the hell? Where have you been hiding this all this? You're talking rotors and lights and all this shit. And I'm over here like, duh, uh, planes got wings. No, I just, you know, it's just, it's just,

it's just frustrating because, especially a video like that, I'll have to send it to you so you can, you can see it. It's just, it wasn't like, like a TikTok video where it's doing insane maneuvers, you know, 90 degrees and makes a stop and then does a loop to loop. Like, I'm, I'm so cynical when it comes to videos now. And I shouldn't

like I need to be open-minded and patient. But anytime a witness sends me a video, like I automatically say, it's a drone. It's a plane. It's a plane. It's a plane. It's a plane. That's a drone. That's a drone. That's a drone. That's a drone. Oh, look, a drone. And I shouldn't do that. Oh, look, another drone. Amazon drone. You know what? I wasn't there, and I always tell people this, and that's why I never judge a witness is I wasn't there when this event happened. So I got to get better at that. I'm airing my grievances live here on Somewhere in the Skies. If I've ever, like, discounted a video you've sent me outright, I apologize. I'm just, when you see a million of these videos a day, and most of them are hoaxed or clearly misidentified. Like, it's hard. It's hard to stay passionate about it sometimes. But then you get that one piece of evidence or that one case where it's like, I'm back in it, baby.

Let's do this. Ah, the fire is lit again. And sometimes that's all it takes. It is. You are so right. Like, every time I think I've heard everything, someone hits you, you know, hits you in the head with something incredible. we're going to move on to another story that I would love to cover

Whoa wow that I would love to cover Colors good too Colors are good Taste the rainbow, baby Scarface Oh my God I assume we aren't talking about the Al Pacino movie here I'm just going to go out in a little bit

Yeah unfortunately for these two kids It was not Scarface and Al Pacino Because it would have been better to see even Al Pacino covered in a mountain of cocaine than what they saw that day. Right. Yeah. This one happened in my neck of the woods. Holy shit.

Okay. So this happened in New York. I got it here. It's like 50 miles north of New York City in Bear Mountain. And honestly, this is again on the no list. And I kind of hinted it during Derek's story. So we have a young man. He's around 13 years old.

And he's in a summer day camp. And that means you go out in the morning. and you go home, you're back home by the evening time. So they would take them to various places in and around New York State every day. And on this particular day, they're going to Bear Mountain State Park. And it is 50 miles north of New York City itself. So not very far. Keep that in mind, as I'm telling the story, very impressive and terrifying and pretty messed up.

So, and also this does sit along the Hudson River, which is also kind of interesting when you're talking about Bigfoot. They need food, cover, and shelter. So Bear Mountain encompasses about, I think, 5,000 acres. And, okay, so they've got the chaperones, the adults, right? And then they've got the kids. And I don't have the number of kids that they had, but they all start hiking and they take a break for lunch. and Chris is his name, that is the subject of my interview, he admits we were kind of rebellious teens at the time. And another kid and myself wanted to, we want to go off and have a sickie.

So they want to go off and have a cigarette and they separated. And they walked quite a ways away from the group. And they admit they kind of kept hearing something, but hey, they're in New York. In the woods, it could be literally anything. As I mentioned before, a raccoon, a squirrel, a deer, even something small sounds quite large in dry undergrowth. So it's kind of above them, but they didn't think much of it. They keep going until they find a good spot away from the groups. They won't smell the smoke for the chaperons.

They light their cigarettes. And Chris says that he, and again, now this one is on my show. So if you want to hear it, it is available for you. He turns and he looks at his friend and he sees an utter, just mask of nothing but terror on his friend's face. And this part is just, his friend just decides to just up and run, which, hey, I cannot blame this kid. Made a really good decision, as you will soon find out. the kid turns and runs and he goes

Oh well crap I mean what is this shit So he turns he goes Well maybe it's a bear or something He turns and not 10 feet away 10 feet guys 10 feet Nope He saw what he described

Was a huge Grey-haired man And you know This is his like his brain going, you know, man, a monster, it looks like a man, but no, that's a messed up monster. So he says it's the tallest bipedal creature he's ever, ever seen.

And it stood, now here we go. It stood nine to ten feet tall. So again, it is really actually pretty cool to do. I encourage everybody to do it just really quickly. Tate measure, Florida to ten feet tall. And then you're going to go, holy shit. All right. This is the part where it gets kind of almost, it'll bring up some vitriol in people because they go, well, they're not like that.

They wouldn't do that. But you have to remember that they're not like us and they have to eat and they do things that maybe you wouldn't maybe think that they should do or that you'd want them to do. So keep that in mind as I go into the next part. Chris says in its right hand, it held half of a dog by its neck. The other half is gone. And just the entrails are hanging out. I said, what kind of dog was it? He said it was like a lab type of dog.

It had been dead for a little while because some of the blood was dry on it. The other side to this, the very disturbing side, is in its left hand, it held either. a blanket or a garment of clothing. He could not tell which one it was. Very, very disturbing. Take that as you will. Nobody knows. We still don't know to this day.

He does stand in front of it. He's in shock. He stands for a moment longer and gets a little bit more of a view of this thing. Broad, very muscular chest. Five feet across. Again, take that tape measure. Very shocking.

Five feet across. I stand 5'6. So, holy shit. Five feet across the chest, sparsely covered in hair. Where did have hair, it was gray, and where the hair didn't cover, the skin was more a brown color.

Had very long, very thick arms. Like tree trunks, he said. And he did feel like he needed to just glance at the face. And keep in mind, he's 13 years old, so he's probably not as tall as he would be as an adult. So he was standing probably chest level And so he had to make the effort to look up at his face And he said when he did for the brief second

That's all that you need We all know that that have had any experiences like this A brief second is all you need for your brain to just Just soak in that information So he said it did remind him more of a gorilla or an ape Not of the human type that we hear about Large round and brown the face with very little hair on it. Flat nose and teeth very much not like ours. Large black eyes shaped like a human. And here's where

the name comes from for the chapter is it had two scars, one across its forehead and one across its cheek, which I think that the one across its cheek was quite a bit deeper, if I remember correctly. And its gray hair was actually matted in some places, like it was kind of dirty. Like it hadn't hopped in the Hudson River like it should have. They had some things stuck to it. Which to me, and you know this Ryan, when you're talking to somebody, you get a sense of if they're lying or not. You just do, even though you're not in person, you get more adept at this thing. And, you know, for people to come up with details like, well, it had sticks in mud or shit or whatever stuck to its hair,

why come up with details like that and be able to tell it over and over again? I don't know. It's not impossible. I'm just saying those are things that stick out to me. And when you hear somebody with their inflection and their voice telling a story like this, you're like, holy shit, this guy really saw this. That's nope. Lots of places can expose you to identity theft. Oh, no. That's why LifeLock monitors hundreds of millions of data points a second for threats to your identity, which is way more than anyone can do on their own. If we find anything suspicious, like new loans or changes to your financial accounts, we alert you right away,

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And unfortunately for Chris, he's the last one out. and doesn't know if it's following him. So he's running as fast as he can, and he does get back to camp with all the kids and the counselors, and he sees the other kid, which I never got his name. He sees him sitting there, and the counselor is like talking to him, and he can tell the kid is very upset,

and he doesn't know what the kid's saying, but the kid would not make any eye contact with him. And they get in the bus to go home, and he's like, dude like what did we just see and this kid refuses to talk to Chris about what just happened and you know something that I remember asking him was well have you talked to him you know in these years past he's like he still refuses to talk about this incident he's still in contact with him but they do not talk about this day and he admits that those 10 seconds changed his life he still has nightmares and it took him

really, really long time to go back in the woods. And just a tease, he did go back in the woods again and have another very interesting experience, which is in the book. But, you know, the big question, of course, of this story is the dog thing can shock some people, but to me, that's not that shocking. It's understandable, yeah. Yeah, like, I feel like they're opportunists, just as anything would be in the woods, because it's a hard life. you're always fighting for food and shelter and water. And, you know, you're running, if you're running from people, that's a whole other side of the story for these things, I'm sure. So if it comes across a dog, I mean, I feel horrible for the dog, of course, I love dogs.

But, you know, that's one side. The other side, literally, is what it was holding in his left hand. And that is the moment. Was it the dog's blanket? Was it a person's clothing, you know? was it a human's blanket, not the dog's blanket, out of a tent or something? I mean, you're in upstate New York where, or is it up? No, that's not, well, would that be considered upstate?

Yeah, absolutely. Anything north of New York City is definitely like upstate, yeah. Okay, cool. Thank goodness. Sometimes we're just like plowing through and I'm like, upstate New York, people are like, that is not upstate woman. So you have a lot of campers, right? A lot of hikers, a lot of outdoors, people. I mean, God knows what this thing came across.

And I don't know. I mean, we don't know what goes on out there in the woods. Do you guys really know that a Bigfoot would never eat a person? Do you know that? I mean, people, they're like a gas when I, you know, if anything ever comes up like that, it's, oh, God, no. They're, you know, they're the forest friends. Vegetarians. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, they're totally vegans. Yeah, I'm sure that they get all their protein from plant matter. You see the size of those things. Are you serious? Do you have macadamia, soy, almond milk? Do you have those pasta zero noodles that you can get at Walmart or in Shuritaki? How are those bees treated that you put that honey in my tea? And we've just alienated another 20% of our listening.

I'm so sorry for you, organic vegan hippies out there. I love you to death. They're probably a lot of my new age listeners, and I love you. I love you. I mean, bless them. It's just like these things, okay, on the low end, low end, six feet tall, 400 pounds. You really think they're eating bark and plant matter and a couple of deer if they can catch them? Like, why wouldn't they, if they're opportunists, why wouldn't they?

I'm just saying, it's had to have happened. And, okay, maybe the bulk of them don't because they know if you kill one person, you're going to get 50 of them looking for that person. Good point. Bad idea. But. Missing 411. Come on. Absolutely.

Absolutely. And David's smart for not coming out and saying, well, you know, it's Bigfoot or it's aliens or whatever he thinks it is. He's very smart for doing that. I don't blame him for not coming out and saying what he thinks it is. But if you have, just like people, again, not trying to. put human traits on a bigfoot. There's got to be some screwed up Bigfoot out there that go against Bigfoot rules. I want to see Sasquatch 101 book one of these days.

Like, here's what not to do, a whole. Don't get caught, jerk. That go out and they do these things. You know, that was snatch a dog or snatch a person and take those risks because they are hungry. And, you know, depending on the time of year or the scarcity of food. or whatever might be going on. We hear stories of people that think Bigfoot have the clans or family units, and some of them get banished for whatever reason.

And that guy's, it was rogue. You know, the word is rogue, but. That's very typical for, like, actual animals. It's like, you know, even if you're part of the family, like, they can banish you because they feel threatened by you, even if it's like your kid. It's, that's just the, that's the animal way. Yeah. And why wouldn't they go, well, screw it.

I mean, I'm just going to, I don't need. your rules. I'm not part of the unit anyway. So here's the dog. You know, a person in a little sleeping bag probably looks like a nice little burrito. Why not? Oh, I shouldn't laugh. It's funny.

It's how you said burrito. I mean the word burrito. Because when you think about it, you're like, oh, a little a little chimichanga right there. I'm just going to warm this thing up over the fire. Oh, no. Melty cheese. Oh, wait, that's not cheese. Never mind. So, yeah, I mean, this is another story that you're like, no, I don't, when I'm, a lot of times, you've had it to.

People will tell you these stories and they get emotional. And then, even though I love airing these stories and I want to take the account down and get it out there and share to everybody. And it makes for fantastic content. When somebody gets really upset and you can hear it in their voice and they get up. emotional. I feel so bad. I just the pain and guilt just runs through me. And I've

I know you've had that too. I've heard them. But these are again, life-changing events. Derek, both Derek and Chris in these stories are, they're still going out, which is fantastic. And I'm

in touch with both of them. And it didn't completely warn them off of the woods. which is great because they live in very wooded areas. They're not like my next door neighbor where they're like, yeah, unless the Yucca Man comes out from Joshua Tree National Forest, I'm good. I ain't moving.

No, I get it. Yeah. Cudos to these guys. They are braver than I am. Braveer than me too, because when I'm talking to these guys and hearing the story, I'm like, hell no. And I love hearing stories like this, we all do. but when you actually take the time to put yourself there,

you're like, oh, shit, no, no, that's, it's really messed up. That's why I stick to UFOs. Oh, yeah, because that's so much brighter, I mean. I haven't heard of many aliens eating humans, but, I mean, I'm sure it's happened. It's had to have happened. Hey, Riloh, when's the last time we had a good, and I'm not poking fun at all? That was my joke. I'm down with the joke.

I'm just trying, I'm just a goofie. I like to make people laugh. But honestly, when's the last time we had the, you know, like the Whitley Streeper, like the classic, you know, you go up to the ship and they do these, I mean, truly effing horrible things to you. And it's either the one time, like, you know, Travis, or you get the recurring like Whitley where it's this all kinds of different activity going on over time. I mean, when's the last time we had anything like that come out? Oh, man. It's been a while. I mean, even the abduction cases I covered in my book were from like 10, 20 years ago.

It's weird. It's almost like it's no longer a thing. And if anyone out there is an experiencer and these things are happening to you, I do apologize if that's offensive at all. But I personally haven't had any abduction case. says come across my desk. But why is that? I don't know. Why? It really makes me wonder, you know, like, abductions were big around when Whitley Streber's story come out. Was this just, like, people now feeling compelled to come forward? Or was it, like, a weird cultural phenomenon of the time that, like, it was in the collective consciousness or the zeitgeist? And now, like,

people are either fabricating stories, building upon stuff like, Whitelie. Strieber, Travis Walton, or is it really happening? I don't know. But yeah, that's such a good question. And it's, it's not asked a lot is why does it seem that like abductions aren't happening anymore? Have they gotten what they needed from us or, or why? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how to answer that. That's so interesting because it could be just as simple as that, because if they're that advanced, and of course, that's another argument in and of itself. If that advanced, why do they have to keep coming down and taking that many samples? But if it was some kind of a quote unquote DNA test over X amount of years and generations and bloodlines, yeah, maybe they're done with it.

But do you think that the fact that it's so big now has actually hurt people coming out and talking about it to the point where they're like, well, I mean, they're just going to say I've read Whitley's. book or I'm just trying to be a guest on somewhere in the skies or into the fray and it's gotten too big too big for its bridges I think so I think it's a little of a lot of different I think there's so many variables I think people may now think like no one's going to believe me like every story's been told um or they don't want to talk about it um because they just want to ignore that it ever happened. Or again, I'm going to say it, maybe we've just moved on in the, in the narrative of UFOs and what they represent. And maybe people are now realizing, oh, this was a product of its time. You know, the contactee movement of the 60s and 70s was huge, you know, meeting the space

brothers and being told like, your planets go into shit, like fix that shit. Or, and then 80s and 90s, You had these creepy little gray dudes putting shit up your butt or what have you. Again, I know we joke. No, yeah. You're going to keep it a little bit light. Absolutely. You do. And, you know, conducting very intrusive and evasive experiments on people.

And now, like, we've kind of just moved on. I don't know what that says about our society or us as humans, but I feel like we're in a new, We're in a new age of the UFO topic, and I'm going to be honest. I see it veering away from the creatures, the reptilians, the grays, the tall Nordics. I feel like we're moving away from these very sensational stories, and that's not to say they did not happen. And we're putting our focus more on, oh, like, we got some legit, like, Navy people coming forward and saying they saw stuff. Let's focus on that right now because it is such a complex and messy topic to begin with UFOs that we really have tunnel vision sometimes. And I think right now in 2020, we are so entrenched in these Navy sightings that that's kind of where everything is leading and everything, all the conversations having to do with UFOs are focusing on that.

But again, it doesn't stop the phenomenon from happening to people. So maybe they're just not coming forward. I can tell you right now, I have not heard of a recent abduction case in a really long time. The only one I can really think of, and I just thought about this, is a young man named Deep Brasad, who is a quantum physicist, one of the most brilliant people I've ever talked to on my show. And within the last month or so, he has come forward and said that he has had a very very, close encounter experience with something he can explain. And I mean, that's pretty astounding that someone of his stature and with his reputation would come forward with this. So that says something. Maybe it's still

going on. I don't know, Shan. I honestly don't know. I think I just started to follow him because I wanted to learn more about him. But, I mean, and just to say, guys, I mean, and that is kind of sad to me that it is moving out of that because I feel like that's a huge part of it is just hey you're big on this too I mean that's your whole thing it's the human side of it what did the person experience how did it change their lives they don't sleep anymore it totally F them up if you're out there and you are experiencing something like that I'm sure that Ryan has put this call out so many times but there are a lot of people out there that will not laugh at you yeah absolutely like we We live and breathe this stuff.

Yeah, and we crack jokes, but at the end of the day, like, we would never, ever do that to someone who came forward to us. Oh, God, no. No. And most of my guess, you know, whether it's prior to the show or after the show, you know, you always try to keep it light. And actually, my very last guest, she was anonymous. Not going to reveal her name, but she had a sighting of a strange creature twice within an hour on a desolate road,

on an early morning drive in Iowa and she did she broke down and she cried while she was telling the story and when that happens I know that because I've been there I know that it's a good thing for them but at the same time of course like I said before

it's a real blow to me because I feel like I'm making her dredge that up and I feel bad for doing that most of the time people tell me and I know that you've probably had this to Ryan as they go that was cathartic thank you for listening to me i haven't told that very many times sometimes they've not not told it to almost anyone like i said

in the beginning but anyway the point is if you guys are out there with these stories and that's why asked Ryan because i really wanted to know i haven't i'm not the biggest UFO person uh i do have a pretty good understanding of that stuff and i do follow it and I need to do more on my show. And of course, we should briefly mention the on the trail UFOs by small-town monsters that we've both been working on. But, I mean, this stuff is very important to us and a lot of other people out there. So if you have an experience, call Ryan. I mean, get in touch with him.

And these are the most important stories, really, of humankind. Because if this is really going on, what's more important? than that. Honest to God, what is more important than whatever's out there trying to contact us? Good or bad? I mean, unfortunately, there's a lot of damn bad out there and horrible stories, as you mentioned. But what's more important than that? Absolutely. I always tell people there's two questions in life. Where do we go when we die and are we alone in the universe? And while I don't think any of us will truly know the answer to the first question until it happens to us, the second question, I think we are inching ever so closer to figuring that out. Whether we'll ever know the true, honest, 100% truth about it, maybe not.

But I think within our lifetime, we are getting closer to something very profound and important. And it's exciting. It's exciting to think it's on the horizon. I might be speaking out of turn and I will die and I'll never know the truth about all this like many UFO researchers before me. But hey, that's the time you live in. That's the time you are given and just do the most with that time you have. Right. Yeah, I'm going to keep digging for answers.

And I guess moving on a little shin here to your other project, which you brought up on the trail of UFOs. So you, after years and years of working, working with you remotely, I was finally able to meet you in person in my neck of the woods, New York City. And this was amazing. I can't believe it took us this long to make it happen, but it did. And I need to hear about this. You're working with small town monsters. A lot of people out there know about Seth Breedlove and his work. He's been on the show a couple times. But how did this all come about? And what is this new project you're working on with them? Yeah. So this iteration came after, of course, on the trail Bigfoot, which is,

is, of course, out now on Amazon Prime, or you can go to smalltown monsters.com and see all of his amazing works, of course, Mothman, you know, you've got terror in the skies with the flying, you know, pterodactyls, humanoid, whatever the hell they are. He's got Bell Witch coming out pretty soon, which is amazing. I mean, they are nonstop, Adrian and Seth Breedlove, Smalltown Monsters. So we wanted to continue the on-the-on-the-ympers. Trail of series and I was lucky enough to be asked to host that to where I get to be a big part of tracking whatever we can down and interviewing the biggest names you included thankfully while we were in New York on the subject of UFOs and really taking it back to something that we

talked about with you know when it comes to any sighting of anything is taken it back to the people and taking it back to how it affected them and not always about, I mean, of course, the size of a creature or the way that a craft acted or the maneuvers it did is so incredible, but we wanted to talk to the people. And that is something that you will hear, especially in maybe an interview with Greg Bishop that may or may not be on there. No, it will be. But yeah, we were in New York. finally got to run into you. And then we went down to, I mean, the center of it all in New York. So... Times Square, baby.

I mean, what in the world? And that, of course, it ended up in a wonderful trailer that Seth cut for us. So that was amazing. But yeah, I mean, what do you think about, you know, shows like that? I mean, do you feel like something like that is going to... reach people, it's going to make a difference at all. Well, what I really appreciate, I was able to see some early cuts of the first couple episodes of the show and the trailer as well. And you said something very important in the trailer, and that's that the UFO topic has become very politicalized in the last few years, I would say. It's all about the military and UFOs and the government and getting congressional hearings. And this stuff is

Awesome. Don't get me wrong. But I think what you guys are doing that's much different is bringing it back down to earth, talking to the people having the experiences, and talking to the researchers who've put in decades of work to try to unravel these mysteries. So I think it's not only essential what you guys are doing. I think it is a side of the UFO topic that doesn't get discussed often. And that's the experiencers and the people researching it. So I was so honored to have been invited to be a part of it and to see a lot of other familiar faces and new faces. There were some people I'd never heard of that you guys interviewed.

And again, it's just opening up that community, opening up the possibilities of other people working together and trying to find answers together instead of just being on our own trying to figure all this stuff out. let's talk let's have a conversation and let's let's ask some questions so yeah i think it's i think it's an amazing project and i'm not just saying that because i'm in it or that you guys are doing it um i've been waiting for set prelove to tackle the ufo topic with his cinematic eye and i'm so blown away by what i've seen already so i can't wait for people to see it yeah i'm not gonna lie it's some pretty sexy stuff there's some wonderful shots and editing i mean Um, yeah. Well, and not only the UFO topic, like, it shows America in like such a beautiful light and how

diverse our country is in terms of people and just our environments. I mean, within weeks, you guys were in New York City and then you were like across the country in the hills of California or, you know, the Berkshires in Massachusetts or New Hampshire. Yes. Like, it's so amazing to see these locations. And then to hear these incredible UFO stories. that have happened there. It's awesome. We killed a beautiful Ford Expedition Max on the way to New Hampshire.

And then we had to transfer to a Chevy Suburban, which we were all very upset about. Sorry to all you Chevy Suburban owners, but if you could get into a Ford Expedition Max, which if you guys want to, you know, sponsor any of us, that would be fantastic, by the way. No, when we killed that car and we had to transfer, we were all. literally crying as we were taking our stuff out of there. Not sure what happened there, but that was a lovely vehicle. So, you know, the fixer repair daily, I guess, kind of lived up to its name. Just kidding, kind of sort of, because it died on us.

But, yeah, but that trip where we saw you was where we, I mean, we tackled a lot of miles and we talked to a lot of people, which was absolutely fantastic. I mean, I got to meet you and Micah Hanks in the same trip, so it was wonderful. That's crazy. And I do have to mention I brought you guys to a pizza joint in Manhattan. And we had the sassiest Italian person in the whole city. I'm so happy that you guys got to experience the chuna. It was authentic as hell.

Like, if you didn't know your shit and you better know you want to order right the second that she comes over. In fact, you better know it 20 minutes. before she comes over. Because if you're not ready, she will whip out a machete and take off her pet. Oh, my God. Yeah. And God forbid you like ask a question out of turn there. Oh.

No. You want this. You want this. Oh, you want a fork? Do you stick your face in that pizza and eat it now? I don't know. I think she had it for Seth. I think she had stars in her eyes when she laid eyes on him.

I think he saved us, actually. Because once he started to talk to her, I don't know what it was. She kind of toned down a little bit because you and I were having our conversation at the other end of the table. Yeah. And what was she doing to that table behind us? Like, I thought she might actually kick them out of the restaurant because they were pissing her off. She was leaving and shaman. Oh, my goodness.

I was like, is she about to drop like some F bombs and stuff right now? I love her. She was amazing. She was authentic. She, if anything, she, uh, She gave you the true New York experience, so I'm glad you guys got to see that. I was happy. I do want to know, like, on your travels with the show, without, like, giving away any specifics,

what really stuck out to you? What really sort of left an impression, stepping into the UFO world, as it were? Honestly, and this may sound really like a cop-out answer, but, and it's no different than your show, my show, a TV show, a podcast, or whatever. a book, everybody's the same. Everybody. If you see something that changes your life, and the details may be different, but for the most part, we as people process things a certain way, and, you know, in a roundabout way, not in every case, but the culmination is the same. And it's so nice to be able to sit with so many different people from directors to researchers to just straight experiencers.

And I don't mean just because that's that's our bread butter. Without you guys, the experiencers, we would have nothing. You know, if you guys didn't come forward and tell these stories, we wouldn't have the data that we have, which is so important. In talking to all these people, that's it. That's the whole thing. We don't have an alien, you know, in an acrylic cage waving at us like in Independence Day. You know, we don't have that. We don't have a proof of telepathic communication or a visit from an actual craft of, I mean, like a perfect video of such a thing.

But we do have is people's interpretations of it. what it has done to them, what it has done to sometimes even their children, heaven forbid, because I'd be like, I will cut a gray if you mess with my kid, you know, that kind of a thing. It's the every day of these people's lives is what is so important. And I think for me, and again, that's something that's come up in the interviews that we did for on the Tril UFOs is that, man, you got to take it back to the people and what it's done to them. and that's it. It's cool to talk about the craft, how fast it it'd go. Oh, great.

It went at a 90 degree angle into the ocean. Oh, we have underground bases. There was a whole other tangent. But that's all right there. What's important is what it does to the people. Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. I think more and more people are realizing, like, the more we talk about it and share our stories, the closer we're going to get to answers instead of, you know, relying on

science to do it for us. Of course, that's a huge, huge part of all this. Don't get me wrong. Anyone out there in the scientific field or community, like, essential to what we're doing. But we got all just work together. Like, look, okay, let's take that Navy video, the Tick-Tac video, for instance. That, whatever, eight-second video, it's cool and like, oh, it's compelling, but we have no context for it. Until the pilot came forward. And then, then the radar operator, and then the guy on the other ship. And when we started hearing their stories, it's now painting the picture of what we're seeing in the video. And then... And the impact of it. Oh, my God. Yeah. It's all about the people. And I've always said that. So I'm so happy that that's kind of what you guys were focusing on. And I think where the UFO topic is

going. It's heading in a direction that's more about us than the UFOs or aliens or whatever intelligence is behind these UFOs. It's more about us. And I think that's kind of what this topic has always been. It's us looking at that mirror looking back at us and says more about us than it ever could them. So I'm so stoked to see the rest of the show and what it has to say to us. But have your opinions or thoughts changed it all, Shan, after this journey on the UFO topic? No, I don't think so I think it's opened my eyes more to the fact that There are

And I already knew this but there are so many different types of people That you think would be kind of quiet and a mirror And be in this kind of thing But you say the word UFO And oh my goodness Their eyes light up And they become a completely different person And it's like a switches flipped

Oh my gosh But it's a beautiful thing to see And being with Seth and the guys I've gotten to see that a number of times And people, you know, it's not the easiest thing to be on camera Or to even be on a podcast. Take that away. Put a camera in your face.

And then, you know, you put a lapel mic on you and go, All right, let's hear your story. It is difficult. It is so terrifying. And at first, it's very hard for people, but you could see them kind of melt into their story. And I think it's once they got to finally really get into the minutia of the details and everything of their story that they release the tension and they're finally in that moment again because I know probably just like you, every time I tell my shadow person story, I can see it and I'm right there and because it happened. I mean, you know, people can, him and ha, they want about, you know, making shit up, but it happened.

So that was really so cool to see. I think is people going from the stressful situation of, and not that we have a big crew. It's a very small crew. But, you know, there are sometimes some light setups and maybe even I'm holding a light. there's been some behind the scenes of, you know, various people in various places and just making, making shit work for a shot. And it's not a comfortable situation, but once they get going, that's, yeah, I think that was one of the coolest things to see is people, you're going, yeah, that definitely happened to them. Yeah. Yeah.

And then you make friends. Like, it's so cool. Oh, it's awesome. Like, these things bring us together. lifelong stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, with these topics, like, there's an intimacy involved with, like, you know, confiding in someone with these stories. So I do often feel that some of my closest friends that I've ever made were within the UFO community or the paranormal community at large, because you are sharing things that are so out of the ordinary and so, like, beyond the prey that it just, it's not like you've been. could just tell anyone these things, you know? So I got to ask you should, when and where will we be able to see on the trail of UFOs? Yeah, so on the trail of UFOs will come out probably sometime, possibly April May of this year, 2020, but keep your eye out on social media for the exact

release date. I know that we are doing a Kickstarter event, a live event, Facebook, I believe, on February six. So keep your eye out for that. And that way, you guys can pledge on various levels, just like you do on Ryan's Patreon for, you know, added bonuses, t-shirts, stickers, original artworks by some of the people that Seth got commissioned for the project. Yeah, Seth, his, like, packages for supporters are so awesome. So definitely, I definitely I suggest people go fund this guy's work. He has built this company from the ground up, and you go on Amazon Prime, and three out of the ten, like, top sellers are always one of his movies on Amazon Prime.

So check them all out. Be sure to check out on the trail of UFOs. But bringing it back to Beyond the Frayshend, there's some other really exciting news about this. Can you maybe tell us a little about what you've done with Beyond the Fray and what might be coming next with it. Absolutely. So besides getting Beyond the Frey Bigfoot out, we have also created Beyond the Frey publishing. So what Jeff and I have done is create a publishing house, but this house will live pretty

much under the umbrella that Into the Frey lives. So that is paranormal, UFOs, true crime, crypted stuff. but the caveat though unlike our books for Beyond the Fray specifically yours that you send in to Beyond the Frey publishing can be fiction or

nonfiction so you can if you would like if you have something done that you want to send us it's info at beyond the fray publishing.com Jeff is just

he's amazing at doing this stuff he knows everything there is to know and I'm here to help it along. I mean, we have a built-in promotion for your book, of course, on the show, and we have all the means to get your book published and get it done. And so, also, besides Beyond the Fray Publishing, which you can visit us at Beyond the Fray Publishing.com for more information on getting your book published, you can also now, and this is a world premiere on Summer in the Skies,

but our next book, Beyond the Frey, Paramalgamation, is actually available right now for pre-order on Amazon. And we have a release date of April 28th of this year for that to come out. So paramalgamation is actually a word that I came up with myself. I love it. I was going to say, why do I not know what this is? Am I that dumb? You're like, did you just have a stroke?

Yeah, so paramalgamation is, I came up with it for one of my episodes because I pride myself on coming up with halfway decent episode titles. You know, it's difficult to come up with that if it's not apparent. And that and the images, we've talked about that. But this episode, I'm like, I have no clue what to title this damn thing, because it was all over the place, crazy stories, scary stories. And I came up with the word paramalgamation. Paramalgamation, it's, you know, if you really think about it, it's not too difficult, but paranormal and amalgamation. And amalgamation just means a whole smattering of different things all smashed together. So this book is, it's some of my very favorite, amazing, creepy, scary, life-changing stories from Into the Fray.

And again, not fictionalized in any way. We take what the witness says and we just, we put it in a very lovely little package to make it highly readable. And so that's what Beyond the Fray paramalgamation is. It's some of my favorites all smashed into this lovely book. And we are working on that right now. And so you guys can go on Amazon right now. Get it pre-ordered. It'll be out in of April.

And I mean, the good thing about the books are is it doesn't always have to be within the parameters of end of the fray. So if anyone's out there, like, well, I don't want to come on, you know, your show. But I'd love to be in your book. And I'm sure you would feel like this too, Ryan. you know, for future additions. But if anybody wants to, you know, reach out and go, hey, I don't want to be on the air, but I'd love to be part of your book. Great.

That's cool. I mean, part of Beyond the Frey Bigfoot was built upon that. So there we go. That is one of the biggest releases in the last little bit here is the second book is already ready to come out. Wow. Waste no time Beyond the Frey Publishing. I love that. Try not to.

Got to get that ball in the air. Yeah, man. When it's hot, you got to strike. Hey, you tell me when you get the UFOs and I have got a mountain of stories for you. That's awesome. Yeah, because you know that I, and like I said before, it's not a place that I live heavily as UFOs, but obviously I would love to do a UFO version. Well, there you go, guys.

If anyone who was on any witness accounts episode of Summer on the Skies, please reach out to Shannon. If you're willing to share it on my show in front of, you know, listening ears, I'm sure you're willing to do it in print to. So please reach out. Thanks, Roe. That's my public service announcement. Shannon, this has been amazing. As per usual, we went off on many tangents, which I love. That's what we do best. Some of that is going to end up in the Patreon episode. So for those of you who aren't members, please check it out at patreon.com slash somewhere skies. You're going to hear some

exclusive stuff between Shannon and I that I just don't think I'm willing to share on the main feed. That's how you do, guys. That's what you do. Nor should you. Nor should you. But this was amazing, Shannon. I can't wait to dig through the rest of the book.

Two of the stories literally really shook me to the course, so I can't even imagine where the book is going next. But... No, wait. You don't want me to come out there with you and Jane and take you guys up about 50 miles upstate New York City and see what happens? No, it's hard enough to get us out of course. So good luck with that. Go camping and turn into little human burritos. Right, right. I was in Portland two weeks ago, and trust me, I was looking everywhere for Bigfoot. Well, you were in Portland? I was in Portland, yeah, visiting some friends in

doing a little cryptid hunting myself, but that's a story for another time. But, yeah, someday, someday I will see a Bigfoot. That is my dream and my hope now. I've done UFOs. I've seen a ghost, or I should say felt a ghost, a story for another time as well. But I think I got a mark off cryptid next. So we'll see what happens with that. Just bring your adult diapers.

And apparently you're crying baby recordings. That will aid you for sure. Yeah. I know firsthand. I know you do. Shan, thank you so much again for coming on some of the skies. Thank you, Ryan. Somewhere in the Skies is produced by Third Kind Productions in association with the Entertainment One Podcast Network.

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