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Episode Date: July 27, 2022

You're probably wondering what this episode is. This is one of my all-time favorite episodes from our friends over at the Alien Theorists Theorizing Podcast! When I'm not researching and creating new episodes of Somewhere in the Skies, I like to unwind with some comedy podcasts. And this is definitely one of those. But I can't quite give up the whole UFO thing either. So this is why I love listening to hosts, Zel, Braden, Andrew, and Dan as they navigate their way through the UFO muck to bring forth some of the most compelling cases, people, and theories in Ufology. Today, I'm dropping one of those episode in the feed so that you can hear these guys in action. I hope you enjoy, and I hope you'll consider subscribing to the Alien Theorists Theorizing podcast today! Episode summary: On September 23, 1980, UFO investigator Leonard Stringfield received a letter that claimed to be from a former military security guard who had witnessed a series of events that sounded like they had come straight out of a science-fiction double feature. Under the pseudonym James Morse, the author of the letter would begin a years long correspondence with Stringfield, that culminated in alleged documentation of military service members coming into direct and violent contact with an extraterrestrial. Morse claimed to have witnessed the final minutes of an unidentifiable creature that had reportedly been shot by security personnel on the grounds of Fort Dix in New Jersey. Morse’s claims would fall in line with a book released in 2019 by a military intelligence officer who claimed to have been stationed on that same base and said they had interviewed a number of personnel who were involved in the events of Jan 18, 1978. This case file, join the Theorists as they shoot first, shoot again, shoot one more time, start to ask questions, but then shoot a couple more times while discussing…The Fort Dix Xenocide! Follow Alien Theorists Theorizing at their Linktree: https://linktr.ee/alientheoristspodcast Ryan is now on Cameo! Book your video today at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan’s book in paperback, ebook, or audiobook: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Read Ryan’s Articles by CLICKING HERE Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at: https://bit.ly/3rJpbd7 Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2022 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey guys, Ryan here. We're probably wondering what this episode is. Well, this is one of my all-time favorite episodes from our friends over at the alien theorists theorizing podcast. When I'm not researching and creating new episodes of somewhere in the skies, I like to unwind with some comedy podcasts. And this is definitely one of those. But I can't quite give up the whole UFO thing either. So this is why I love listening.

to hosts Zell, Braden, Andrew, and Dan, as they navigate their way through the UFO muck to bring forth some of the most compelling cases, people, and theories in uphology. Today, I'm dropping one of those episodes in the feed so that you can hear these guys in action. In this particular episode, you'll hear the incredible story of an alien that was shot dead at a military installation in New Jersey. Yes, for real. Apparently, I hope you enjoy this super fun podcast drop, and I hope you'll consider subscribing to alien theorists theorizing. And to learn more, check out their link tree in the show notes.

Once again, I hope you enjoy it. And keep looking up. On September 23, 1980, UFO investigator Leonard Stringfield received a letter that claimed to be from a former military security guard who had witnessed a... series of events that sounded like they had come straight out of a science fiction double feature. Under the pseudonym James Morse, the author of the letter would begin a year's long correspondence with Stringfield that culminated in an alleged documentation of military service members coming into direct and violent contact with an extraterrestrial. Morse claimed to have witnessed the final

minutes of an unidentifiable creature that had reportedly been shot by security personnel on the grounds of Fort Dix in New Jersey. Morse's claims would fall in line with a book released in 2019 by a military intelligence officer who claimed to have been stationed on that same base and said they had interviewed a number of personnel who were involved in the events of January 18, 1978. This case file joined the theorist as they Shoot first, shoot again. Shoot one more time. Start to ask questions,

but then shoot a couple more times while discussing the Fort Dix Xenocide. Welcome to alien theorists, theorizing case file 240. The Fort Dix McGuire xenocide. We're calling it what it is. And that is straight up alien murder. Oh, please.

police brutality, right? Alien lives matter. A story that is, you know, all too familiar with the United States. And that's the police shootings of minorities. And this one of the ultimate minority aliens. Space aliens. I mean, to be honest with you, too, like, they did just describe them as brown and gray with a big head and long arms. That could be me.

Sure. All right. That sounds like they're describing me. Short. Long arms, big head. Grayish brown, depends. Depends on the year.

Is this winter? It was winter. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I get pretty gray in the winter. It sucks. Before we get into this, though, if you're listening to this as a podcast,

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Those are, boys, those are cursed. We already discussed us. Well, this is why sticking the merch story takes along because I have to wear them all, right? Is that going to break them in? So hold on. I didn't know you had a pair of red ginch. Get rid of them. Like, maybe you won't be the way you are. if you don't wear red ginch. And that would be great.

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Mind you, I think we're the ones that are cursed in this scenario, but that's fine. Yeah. I'm fine. Nothing with me. You guys have to hang out with me. Now, this is really awesome case fall because it is exactly. Yeah, someone said in the chat, They are in fact scratches sniff when you order these red ginch.

Careful. There's, hey, there's totally, a whole bunch of different flavors, tootie fruity, tons, right? Whatever you want. Skytrain, it is. This case fall is awesome, though, because it's straight up police murder or an alien. That's what it is. That's what we're talking about here today.

It's an account of just can't say it any other way. police shoot and kill an innocent alien doing nothing wrong maybe intruding maybe a little trespassing might be trespassing right right but those are missed am years baby on a military base shoot to kill i don't think so on fort dicks i don't think there i don't think there's a shoot to kill order yeah there was no there were no non lethal uh non lethal measures deployed on this one it was full straight up murder i'm telling me right now i'm telling you right now i'm outraged because it's Zell jumps the fence, Zell hovers over the fence tomorrow night,

stand on the runway. Wrist slap and a fine, I bet. Right? Don't do that again. Little finger wag. Don't do that again. Right? This poor alien?

Blasted. To be fair though, Zell's almost translucent. They probably wouldn't even see it. It'd be tough to hit me at, especially at night. Floating clothes. Yeah. And the glow of the runway lights. Floating clothes.

The fucking, what was that cryptid? We did with the... The pants? Nightwalker? The Phantom pants? The walking pants. Nightstalker? Nightcrawler. Nightcrawler. It's just the floating clothes.

Fresno Nightcrawler. That's me. There you go. There you go. So, yeah, if we're talking about this, this is probably one of the few cases where you have an actual claim of a shooting and killing. retrieval of a body of an extraterrestrial being here, as we mentioned before, this occurred in the Fort Dix-McGuire Joint Base. Now, the first that this event probably made its way into the kind of the UFO world is when you had the late Leonard Stringfield, who passed away in 1994, after a long battle with lung cancer, he published a paper called the Fatal Encounter at Fort Dix-Maguire, a case study.

And he was writing this paper for a 1985 Mufon conference. So Stringfield received the original details of this account. On a napkin. Maybe. It might have been. It was a written account, which he received in a letter on September 23rd of 1980. Now, the letter when it was sent to Stringfield was authored by a James Morse, which was a pseudonym. And this James Morse...

The one thing I'll add to that is that a lot of accounts, you say, Jeff. Yeah, there is some... When we go in there, we might use James and Jeff interchangeably because there are kind of... Well, there's kind of two different accounts that kind of corroborate with each other. but one James is James Morse that I just referred to. Well, it comes down to this. If you want to sound credible, you use James Morse. And if you want to sound like an idiot, you use Jeff.

Well, I don't understand. They're like, we know what's a pseudonym. James Morse, man? Like, come on. Like, what the fucking Max Power or Cock Diesel or some shit like that? Like, come on. You get whatever you want. Yeah, motherfucking Cock Diesel.

I mean, yeah, if you're going to choose a pseudonym, you know. My name's Cock Diesel and I work on Fort Dix. Yeah, fuck yeah. It's an 80s porn script in the making right now. Absolutely. So James Morse claimed to be a security officer on McGuire at the time of the events that took place on the date in question. So in 1983, after frequent correspondence with Morse, Stringfield, Moore actually contacted Stringfield for the first time by phone. and provided actual names and ranks of people who were involved in the incident.

And he even sent Stringfield an alleged photocopy of an official document, a DD-1569 incident complaint report that he cited as evidence supporting his claims for what happened that night. I mean, that would have to be pretty interesting that you're like, you're researching UFOs and you have this guy who's like, he's like, you're like, oh, hey, what you're telling me pretty cool. And he's like, well, I also have like, here's some evidence to back it up for you. Like you can dig into this. Here's some stuff.

Like, for me, it's like, this is a adds another layer to this thing where it's like, because if someone just tells the story, it's like, well, I believe them or not, right? But if they're giving you physical copies of stuff, would be like, this is supporting evidence that I'm giving you. To me, I'm like, if that person is a hoax or like, you're now giving that person evidence that they can then look and verify and then go, well, why would you give me this? You're full of shit. Like, I know it.

So it's like, it's interesting for him to get, like, actually hand over this, what he's claiming is evidence, right? Because that's a, it's a bold mood one way or another, right? It just, to me, it, it brings, like, do we know what the instance? Like, do we know, have any of it? Yeah, it's just crayon drawing of what happened. It's, it's a standard form. I looked up, like, the, there's kind of like a modern version of it, but the, the actual

legitimate form of it used to be. the, like the only place I could really find it was there is a, the NIDS website. We'll talk about them later. Nids comes into play. Robert Bigelow's National Institute for Discovery of Science. They come into play later, but they had an actual, they said they had an actual copy or the original, like, document that had been submitted to Stringfield. Now, when Stringfield got this, all of this information that, you know, was going through, you know, the entire events and the interviews that he had, the, from Morse.

He was still on the fence as to whether he thought that Morse could be taken as a legitimate source. He wasn't, he was kind of ambivalent towards it. He wasn't really like 100% sold on it. He's, well, as you rightly should, like, looking at this that you're like, okay, well, I'm going to, you know,

cross the T's and dot the eyes before I just go ahead and start screaming. You know, I found real evidence here, right? Like, he's putting his reputation on the line too. So he wants to like, he wants to verify this information before he just you know, relays it. And so enter Richard Hall,

who is the former NYCAP deputy director and a veteran UFO investigator who got a chance to interview Morse as well and found him to be a credible source of information. So Stringfield would go ahead and reveal that story at the 1985 Mufon conference. And then Hall would actually later include a lot of Morse's information and his account

in his book, the UFO evidence, a 30-year report, which he published Volume 2, which he published in 2001. Now, another facet of the story would later reappear in, or would appear to be featured in a book that was released in 2019, and rather recently, by John

Algarra, which was titled Strange Craft, the true story of an Air Force Intelligence Officer's Life with UFOs. Yeah. So, life with, it should have been life with the guilt of, murder, xenocide. Well, the actual event that we're referring to, the Fort Dix-Maguire event is actually just a small part of the book.

And the book actually covers a lot of experiences by retired Air Force Major George Filer III during his actual military career. He had UFO encounters himself, like aside from the, you know, in addition to the actual being stated. stationed at the base, the McGuire Air Force Base, when the events occurred, the events in question occurred. So, but part of this is he was stationed as part of the intelligence officer of the 24th Air Force Military Air Lift Command. And he was the one who was in charge of the briefings. So he's like, he had the same information as Morse.

Him and Morse was stationed on kind of both sides of the fence of both the Fort Dix and the McGuire Air Force Base that kind of sit together. So now the event in question occurred on January 18th of 1978. So in 1978, Fort Dix was home to the U.S. Army ground operations, while McGuire, which sat on the other side of a fence from Fort Dix, hosted the U.S. Air Force 21st Air Force Military Air Lift Command. Now, from Filer, Filer was actually 43 years old at this time, and he would leave his home at about 3 a.m. Just to interject here,

he goes on to have one of the best websites of all time, Filer's Files. The best name for a website, awesome. Like, the guy's a genius. I got a quick question about the bases. Is this a standard thing to have like a Army base and an Air Force base, like bordering on the fence.

Can they cross the border? Does their IDs work in each other's bases? Or are they completely separate? You would have, I mean, they have different areas of operations. So they're going to have either one on that. Each base has its own security force. So you can't really like, you wouldn't be able to kind of like perform like any duties on the other side of the base.

You wouldn't like exchange personnel or anything. Did you pop over for a pot luck? I mean, you could probably go over there. But there's not like you would be, you know, they just don't want you to be. where you're not supposed to be. So, yeah, I mean, I'm sure they... They play volleyball, like shirtless or anything?

Yeah. I feel like the Air Force Base will end up being like... Every Saturday. Yeah, sure. Fucking Eagleton to Pawnee, you know what I mean? Like all the fucking snooty guys are over at the Air Force base. Oh, I feel like they all have scarfs. Generally in the...

Generally in the United States military or armed... Armed services, the Air Force is usually kind of seen as that, well, people refer to them as the chair force, since it's mostly desk jobs or seems like that way anyways. So why do I get all those sweet-ass fucking code names then? Well, technically, well, if you're talking about like Top Gunn, well, Top Gun is those are Navy pilots. The nickname's Hangman. Oh. Navy pilots, they're not Air Force.

Oh, okay. So I'm sure the Air Force has air. own pilot. They have their own names as well. Code name Milton, like you said. Hilbert. So you have Filer saying

that reporting that he left his home at about 3 a.m. and was driving towards McWire to go ahead and start his day because his task usually was at 8 a.m. to kind of brief his bosses on the goings on in the base. He would go on about 3 a.m. He'd get there. He'd collect reports from all the people who

were on watch or whatever. And then he would brief the commander of the base every morning at about 8 a.m. So, but this time, this morning, he noticed a kind of strange thing, something out of the ordinaries. He saw the red and blue emergency lights flashing in the distance near the Fort Dix fence line. Chairs and berries. So this was something that was extremely out of the ordinary and Filer was kind of keen to figure out what was going on at the time. Yeah, I guarantee you you're driving up, you're like, fuck.

It's going on. It's pretty much. I know the feeling. I've come on watch and been like, what the fuck? Like alarms going off and stuff and like, oh, fuck. This is going to be a bunch of paperwork or whatever. You're going to have to write a bunch of reports. I don't want to see anything.

So the first person he wanted to get in contact with was the senior master sergeant. So the senior master sergeant on the base is the one who kind of keeps the everything organized according to him. You know, staff schedules, making sure. everything down to the phones and the faxes that are up and running and pretty much anybody who's sweeping the floors. That is what his job was. So Filer met with the senior master sergeant to figure out what the fuck is going on. And according to Filer, this is kind of his quote, is saying that he was agitated. His face was pale.

His eyes were wide open. And then he said the strangest thing. So straight up, this is a quote from Filer saying that the senior. your master sergeant told him, an alien has been shot at Fort Dix and they found it at the end of our referring to the McGuire Air Force Base runway. So an alien

has been shot, it's been found, was shot at the other base and they found the body deceased on the runway of the other base. Like he's probably sitting there like, uh, uh, what? Yeah.

What? So finally, I mean, fuck, I'd be, I'd be nonplussed at this point because I'd be like, it's, it's three in the more. morning. Like, it's 3.30 at most, maybe four. And you'd have somebody telling

that that's an alien. So, you know, George, George tries to clarify at this point, you know, somebody just told him in it. He's like, what country is he from? Yeah. He's because he was it an alien from another country, like a Mexican or something? Is this New Jersey, though? Like, this is Jersey. This isn't fucking, what kind of, how's he it getting to? It should have been, how's an alien or something? Mexico and Jersey. He's been running a long way. Yeah. A long way.

They didn't catch them until. Jesus. Yeah. Imagine that. He jumps to the border, makes his way all the way to New Jersey, and then immediately goes to a military base. Even though there was probably thousands on the way, he's just like, no, I've always wanted to see the inside of Fort Dix. That's where the secrets are. Now it makes me want to, what are they hiding in Fort Dix? So the senior master sergeant was, you know, went ahead.

and then clarified. He said, no, it was from outer space, a space alien. And he also reported also that there had been a number of UFOs that night. He relayed to Filer that there had been strange occurrences before Filer even arrived. Like during the wee hours of the morning, probably around, I think it was around midnight or 11 p.m. They had UFOs actually buzzing around the Air Force, around the joint bases in patterns. that's what they reported to it. Now, see, like, when you hear that bit, like when you hear that bit, like,

these UFOs are buzzing around in patterns like, man, it's like, that is not far off of, like, what we've reported, what the government now has said has happened. And, right, we just had the first congressional hearing on UFOs. I'm like, it would be so cool for something like this to be brought up in, like, in one of the next ones of, like, because they're talking about, like, military disclosure, and we've had people ask questions about various other, like,

what was the Maltstrom? They asked about in the last one. Malmstrom, yeah. All right. So, you know, this is not far off where someone would be like, well, we've heard reports if there's UFOs and one potentially being shot, can we look into that? Right. Like, if there's reports, they might be somewhere, right?

Of what happened at this space. Even if not, even if they've wiped off everything else to do with the murder or anything, perhaps there's still reports of, you know, around this time, UFO consistent. basically buzzing the space. Does this base hold nuclear weapons? Do we know that? I didn't even look that out. Not that's public knowledge at least.

No, those are all in Victoria. Nanaimo. Nanaimo. American nukes are Nanaimo. Because we don't have any. None. So George went on with doing his job and had to go ahead and start interviewing everyone who is involved with this base.

Now, the Fort Dix Army base, next door. to McGuire Air Force Base has his own security guard, so they kind of conducted their own thing. He's like, what happened over you? He's like, go fuck yourself. Go get paid to sit on your ass. Yeah. Army for life!

George claims that he was the only Air Force investigator to interview witnesses and to compile an actual report on the day that this event occurred. Now, when the alien was claimed to have been shot, it was said to have been shot by an army security guard on the Fort Dix property. So on the Fort Dix side. And then the alien had actually, they said reported had either run and either jump the fence or went under the fence onto the McGuire property where they had found the actual body of this reported extraterrestrial being.

So Filer reported that he called the security duty officer who confirmed that this alien had been found. Fucking McGuire's problem now. When talking to the security duty officer, he confirmed, according to Filer, that the dead alien body had been found by a McGuire security policeman. And the duty officer told him that the alien had been shot on Fort Day. and then they had found,

they had tracked this wounded alien for as far as they could until they found it out near like an abandoned, one of the abandoned airstrips on the base. So Filer was also able to compile reports from the radar tower. And he had gotten reports from operators there that had actually been tracking those UFOs

that he had gotten reports of that had started around 2 a.m. that morning. and then they had even said that they had reported actual visual confirmation of the craft and that they had reported that these craft were actually disc-shaped. This was a lot to process. We should stop here for a second. Yeah. So they have sightings of a UFO or you have multiple UFOs.

Yeah. And there's an alien on the ground. Yes. Like one alien by himself, seemingly. By himself. and they shoot him. That's what's reported. This is fucking crazy.

This has never happened in all the case walls we've talked about. No. They opened fire on a live extraterrestrial or what they think is extraterrestrial. What if it wasn't? They just killed someone. Some kid or something running across the fucking tarmac. It's the 70s, man. It got pretty nuts at some point.

Like you had armed. Army MPs pursuing these craft in their pickup trucks. Yeah, like they would have sounded some sort of alarm before because they were like, they were scrambling to like pursue these things. They saw them in the skies. They're like, what the fuck are these things? There's something in the sky. They're racing around.

Like following these things around Fort Dix, like chasing them. That's wild. So one of these pickup trucks shortly after 3 a.m., had actually realized, apparently, as reported by a Fort Dix MP that was involved in it, he realized that there was a UFO above their truck, directly above their truck. And it was right near where the fence separating between Fort Dix and McGuire. So the MP, as said reported that he exited his vehicle, looked up at the hovering UFO. And then when he looked back down, he realized that there was a short humanoid figure stepping

into the pickup truck's headlights where the light where the headlights were pointed so we're talking we got a little gray we got a short gray yep on the base that's like the description of it is like big head short you know gray gray gray gray gray brownish gray skin like skinny arms

like the stereotypical like what you hear people it's great this guy's looking up at this UFO that has been buzzing their base it's now above his truck he looks up I'm not taking a chance either. Boom, he's now face to face, you know, I don't know how far away, but like it's in the headlights. He's like, holy shit, there's fucking, like, you would,

immediately when you saw this thing, you'd be like, oh, like, it's an alien, like, obviously, it's an alien. And then the next thing you do is shoot it. Yeah. Get rid of it. Well, the MP seemed to fall back on his training and went to the first thing. He ordered the intruder to freeze, you know, not, I'm sure he wasn't sure whether it a human or what was going on, but he went straight into security mode and did what he thought,

you know, followed the book at this point being the, he ordered it to freeze. And so it's reported that the MP kind of like in when he was talked with later, interviewed later, he, his goal was to arrest this intruder. And he was going to take him to the Fort Dick security office. That's what should have happened, I guess. If this were normal, under normal circumstances, like this is what would have happened. But when this humanoid figure walked toward the MP or somehow ignored the warning that he was given,

the MP felt obliged to open fire. It's been revoked. It's been revoked. Yeah. Absolutely. So the MP's yelling at him like hands up, turn around, stop, like all the Please, don't move. A little bit of a language barrier.

A bit of a language barrier. This motherfucker might not even have ears. Yeah, absolutely. He's just walking. Right. And so the MP opened fire and fired upon this extraterrestrial being five times is what's reported. Five times. Five shots.

It didn't pop them to the knee and say. There was no, yeah, there was a morning shot. There was no morning shot. Picture it, like just picture that scene in your head for a second, though. Like, these UFOs are buzzing. It's middle January. It's cold as fuck. Like, it's super dark, right?

January, super dark month. It's pitch black out there. You are face to face with this little humanoid, this alien. Like, you would instantly recognize this as you're like, this is a fucking alien right in front of me in the headlines. Well, it's 70s though. Like, what exactly? Like, I think close encounters came out recently. But other than that, like, what?

What examples of short grace did we have around this time? The only non-believer, like the only part of the story that I don't believe for a second was that he then pulled his pistol. Motherfucker had that pistol O when those things were over his head. Without a doubt. I think there was actually reports that they did fire at the craft. I don't know if it was him specifically, but there were, I think there were reports of them actually firing at the craft at some point.

So you got your gun out and you're yelling at this thing, right? because at this point, like, you know, it's like if anyone's ever had been face to face with an animal that you're yelling at, like if you've ever had an encounter with a black bear or anything, where you're yelling at it and you're raising your hand or anything. And that black bear takes that first couple steps towards you because it doesn't know which way you're going to go. Your heart stops a little when you're like, oh no, this isn't working. Like he's not going the other way. I was told he would leave when I did this. If I yell, hey bear, he's supposed to run away. And you've got this gun at this little thing.

and it's now just cruising towards you. I mean, how long do you wait? So anyways, I start blasting. Yeah, instantly. Like, I might have not even waited that long, to be honest. I probably wouldn't have been too scared. What's the worst? Let's be honest, too, this is New Jersey.

You add another one to the Hudson? Like, come on. Like, come on. Yeah. Hey, but it sounds of it, he was light, right? You could just whip him in there. So many shoes, man. Right?

He dissolving an hour. Yeah. Yeah, so there's a report that the MP panicked and fired five rounds from his 45 into the thing, referring to the extraterrestrial, and then actually one round into the object above. So, he's just for good measure. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and for you, bang. Tell your friends, that? Yeah.

That was reported by Rick Murray, who wrote a June 10, 2007 article for the Trentonian newspaper that kind of reported, that provided. details from a witness who is familiar with the events that happened. Let's not just forget, we just forgot it, I just want to emphasize that you shoot this thing five times. You shoot it five times and it just runs away and jumps the fence. You're just like, I don't even know what I do. I would just, yeah, I cheated the ship too right after. Logically it makes sense.

Now, George Filer never had the never got access to the actual MP that fired on the extraterrestrial. I thought they had video footage of that though, didn't they? Do we watch tapes? I think there is actually some tape, some videotape of it. Let's see if I can find that right now. I think it goes to song a little something like this. Greetings, human.

I am Pleas forp. I come in peace. Hey, yo, stop resisting, eh? You were human You shot me in the arm All right Alright Hey listen here

Space man It's pretty dark out All right I thought you had a gun All right So just I don't think it's fatal It's one shot

Whatever all right I need you to freeze Hey I need you to freeze We still come in peace I would like From my world to yours Hey

Space man Hey You're treading me Hey You're treading me Now listen here Space man All right

You shut You shot me in the glebe sack. That's right where the human heart would be. I understand this. I need you to be quiet for a second. I need you to freeze. But I also need you to reach into your pocket and grab your ID, all right? I told you not to move.

I told you not to move. Human, my species doesn't feel pain. All right, all right. Listen, space, man. You're going to be okay. I can't see my legs. Listen here, space, man. I need you to crawl.

What's happening to me? I need you to crawl over to your ship there. And grab your license for registration, all right? Luckily for me. But don't move! Don't move, Spaceman! All right. All right.

You got the right to remain... You got the right... Oh, shit. Space man? Are you dead? Oh, man. It's a real shame, Space Man. You decided to travel all this way

with all that drugs in your hands here, huh? So we're going to go ahead and give you some of this, huh? Hey, boys! I don't know what's going on over here. I think this guy took some basaltz. He went crazy. He took my gun. Very accurate.

I'd say so. So he shot him five times. Then he framed him with drugs just in case. He had space rocks on him. Space rocks. Space meth. Okay. Space meth.

Okay. He had meteoroids. Space meth, right? Checks out. He told him to freeze. Yeah, he didn't follow instructions. And he kept coming forward. Come on.

That's four more shots. Yeah. He's just following training. I mean, listen, five shots couldn't kill Tupac. All right. He probably thought he was tough about to take five shots.

One shot too many in this case. Yeah, probably. The Glebe sack. Yeah. So after taking a shot to the Glebe sack, this extra treasel either ran under the fence or climbed over it,

you know, after leaving the site under. Because his legs were limp because he was paralyzed and he was just, he was just trucking on his two little front, right? But he's like, so he can still move fast, right? His lower body is pretty light. Really quick.

So his upper body can still pull it really. So he slithered away like a snake real quick. There was a report that he was greasy. So directly following the MP shooting this creature. That's how they found him. They followed the slug trail. So, I mean, we have to emphasize that it started at four. Like the account starts on.

Fort Dix. So they shot him on the Fort Dix property and then it moved over onto McGuire's base. It moved it somewhere onto the McGuire property. Just before we get to the other side of the fence, we're going to take a short break, grab a beer and we'll be. There's lots more to this too coming up. We'll be right back. Just so you guys are clear, I made up glebe sack. I don't know if that's any intonomic.

I'm a medical professional. It sounds right. I don't know if that's part of the. autonomy of an alien but I just wanted to make you show like the glebe socks like on the bottom of their chin I believe Atomy what did I say you said it's anatomy it's anatomy autonomy yeah dude I've been really struggling with words in the heat all right in the heat okay yeah just in the heat well I feel like I was pretty good through the winter

oh so when it gets when you're bringing gets a little hotter you just lose it what you're saying yeah there was another word just recently what was the other one post-homisly or whatever Well, that was not a word I've ever really heard before and you just pull it out of nowhere. Posthumously. Is that? How do I say it?

Postumously? Yeah. I fucking one time, too, and Dan gave me a fucking... You're like dead, right? That's your dead? Well, after you... It's something that happens. That's after you died.

After you died. Yeah. What is it? Post-humously. What did you call it? Post-humorously? I said like post-humorously. Well, because you're reading it, right?

I mean, it's a... Technically... Like, if you think about it, you're not funny when you're dead. you know of sometimes dead people fart and stuff that's pretty funny where were we alien shot we got a lot more to go through this case alien got shot it crawls under the fence and that's where we left off we don't know what happening in pain with its lifeless lower body um lower body can't right it's wounded animal basically oh yeah trigger

warning so uh literally up until this point we've been going off of the the account of george So all the kind of the events that were leading up to this, he went off at George's kind of, George's reports, which came out later. George Filer actually didn't actually put his kind of his part of the story down on paper until probably like the 2000s or so. But we have known about the Stringfield account,

which he got from Jeff or James Morse, comes in right here. So at the time, should I refer to James Morse? That's more professional, right? So James Morris. James Morse was actually a security guard on duty and he was sent by the dispatch by his security commander to go out to gate number five on the base to let in a state trooper who had been called in and told Morse that someone had been shot on the Fort Dick's side and had jumped the fence onto the McGuire side and to the McGuire property. So the trooper was obliged to follow Morse's vehicle to the fence line.

And the two got out and began searching the area with their flashlights. Now, it was the state trooper and Morse together that found the actual humanoid figure. And depending on who you ask, I think there's a little bit of kind of wiggle room about what actually positioned. So one was either, the creature was either kneeling in death about to die. or it was sprawled out on its back. So there's still kind of, there's a little bit of, both are pretty sad.

Not a happy to. But if it was kneeling in death, it was dead when they found it. Now, after the trooper, you know, once they had gone and raided it in, I guess the Morse told,

Let's see, who's he talking to? He was talking to Filer at this point. So Filer said that Morse told him that he actually radioed the security command post at McGuire and told his supervisor and said, hey, there's a body out here. We found it. And the security commander then told Morse to go ahead and put the trooper on the phone or on the radio. And Morse's supervisor went ahead and told the state trooper that the matter was now under Air Force jurisdiction. and that McWire would handle it. Yeah, get out of here, you fucking Stady.

Kick rocks, nerds. Now, after the trooper left, Morse was left alone with the body of this entity. He's just like, uh-huh. Yeah, I think he took measures to kind of just to pervert, like to preserve the crime scene. I think he was kind of putting around tape and doing what he was the kind of trained to do. I imagine, I imagine because of all the radio chatter about what had just transpired,

that I bet at this point in time when the state troopers told to leave and he's standing there's I bet I can almost guarantee there's like this moment of like there's a couple minutes where it's just silent for him and he's just like fuck now I'm just waiting

I'm waiting for to do what to do I really hope this thing doesn't get up yeah so he's like all right well I guess it's a crime scene I guess I'll maybe I'll rope some shit off I guess I'll put out some rope I'll try to look busy as I'm waiting for the other foot to drop here. Yeah, I'm sure they told him just don't, you know, fucking sit tight and wait.

He outlined it. That's it. Hurry up and wait. So after the trooper left and Morris reported that he, after staying alone with his body, he kind of remarked about having an ammonia smelling scent that was kind of like, it wasn't constantly in the air, but it seemed to be emanating. up from the body of this creature. That's interesting.

So it's like either the blood or whatever is coming out of it is like smells of ammonia. Well, they never described any blood. Well, no, but I'm just saying, okay, so whatever holes are in this thing, it's like ammonia is seemingly like waft. Right. Or some kind of accelerated decomposition. Or, could be something like that. Like we, like Andrew said, you fart when you die. We let out methane, right?

This thing's ammonia farts. Or maybe some people. People talk about the short graze, maybe not being biological at all. And it's some type of android, and it's like the fluid inside of it. And it's not bleeding. It's not bleeding. And it took five shots, and it crawled away on it. Like most people, even if you get shot in the spinal cord, even if you're not paralyzed in the arms.

Like, you're not moving. Like, you're, you know, it's psychologically hurt. The fish shot hit the microprocessor. Yeah. So maybe, maybe that, because some people say, like, oh, if, you know, if. if they are some type of Android or like, they're like, I dig that. It's almost like a drone technology, right?

Yeah. I dig it. Boom. Because then say they are sending them through space linear. Like not, say not through wormholes and not through some type of teleportation or subspace or whatever. They're actually set, they put them in a ship and they took 5,000 years to get here because they're Android. They don't age. And maybe that's what they is.

And maybe that's just what they think. humans look like. So they're like, oh, this thing will blend in. Oh, no, it doesn't. They got shot five times. They're like, put it on the base. He's standing in the headlight. And they said, shoot, he's like, oh, no, aboard. Make it run. There's some alien

in the spaceship playing QWOP. Remember that game? That stupid running game where you've tried to control the legs on the keyboard. They just couldn't work it yet. You can't get more than like six feet. So Morse is out there guarding the body.

And so now we check off another box of the classic alien encounter is that you had, he reported that you had a bunch of guys in blue military fatigues and blue berets, as he recalls, arrive in a C-141, which is a rather, it's a large cargo plane, military cargo plane. And he indicated that this had, he had some inkling that this, this plane had arrived from Wright-Patterson, Air Force Base, which is just a hop over the mountain. This episode is brought to you by Netflix. Most valuable promotions in Netflix are hosting a blockbuster triple headliner Saturday, May 16th. Rhonda Rousey returns to face fellow woman's MMA pioneer Gina Carano in the main event.

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are wearing these blue berets we know we are pretty much told him you 70s 70s you know who's wearing blue berets in the 70s absolutely god damn it jim what are we doing here god damn it jim he's been on ice all night we had to speed things up we have a new buyer we got a god damn it jim we got a buyer already god damn it jim they came in and beat all the other offers god damn it jim you're not talking about that God damn lunatic with that oldest tractor, are you? God damn it, Jim, that guy's tied up in Minnesota right now. God damn it, Jim. We're not talking about that son of a bitch.

We're not selling this thing to that son of a bitch. Rick Dyer. He's not going to cover this thing and paw some furs and call it Littlefoot. Is he traveled around the continental U.S.? He's not going to do that like he did with that reptilian we sold him. God damn, Jim, we're not making that mistake again. Fool me once. Shame on him.

God damn it, Jim. Don't tell me we're selling it to that guerrilla grip. Male Gigolo, Robert Bigelow. God damn it, Jim, I'm still missing some skin, but no. Listen, Jim, we got a buyer in Chile. In Chile? We're selling it to the South Americans. God damn it, Jim, I'm talking bigger than that.

I'm talking Arab money. God damn it, Jim, we're getting that Saudi Prince gas money. God damn it, Jim, he came in with $65. You want to know, put it over. the top of Pepsi. A Pepsi? Just one, Jim. Two, Jim.

God damn it, Jim. You're a national hero. You're going to go down as one of the greatest blue berets of all time, Jim. God damn it. Just out of curiosity, how much is this little operation cost in the taxpayers? God damn it, Jim, it costs taxpayers $3.65 million. God damn it, Jim. You're a genius.

God damn writeoffs. you got to spend the budget to make the budget, Jim. Absolutely. It's basically what happened. Yeah. That's what happened. So Morse was told by these blue berets to pretty much back off and given the instruction to go ahead and leave,

take his leave and that they were going to kind of handle this and whatever. So Morse didn't feel like he really had to leave. So he moved back some distance, but he didn't leave the area. So Morris actually observed the operations that were going on. Well, as you would. I was like, if no one told me directly to leave, I'd be like, all right, well, I'm just going to stand over here. Yeah.

And plus it's like, I don't think anybody had arrived from his, from actual McGuire to kind of tell him to kind of, you know, fuck off. It's just like, I'm just going to stand over here. I'm still doing my job because if I leave here, then, you know, something happens. I'm going to be in trouble. What's Morris's rank? I don't remember it off the top of my head.

I think it's still, he was just security guard or one of the same. So he's a security guard. What the fuck? Why the fuck does this guy have any idea if, right force Patterson air base whatever or sending guys come pick something up so I think he had heard something over the radio for this that makes no sense to me

like I think he's kind of heard over the radio kind of the squawking over the radio you don't think they'd be keeping where this fucking alien body's going pretty fucking hush hush though is that some rando security guards like well these guys must be going right forth Patterson or whatever I mean if it's a functional air base so I mean it's like

it still does other things it's just kind of yeah but still but you know they're taking the body there, would they not want to fucking hide that and keep that hush-h-h-h? Maybe they didn't bring it there. Maybe they said they're going to bring it there to throw you off the trail and they actually brought us more ass. That would make them it sense. They brought to S-4.

That's what I mean. I just, I think, I just imagine in this pandemonium, you have this because, like, he, more says that these guys show up and, like, they have some shit. They, like, they're spraying it with some, like, garden sprayer. They're spraying some clear chemicals

all over the body. They, like, They're wrapping it in sheets. They're boxing it up. Like there is some serious like containment, like containment shit going on in front of him. So it's like it, you know. Yeah, of course. Things smells back. In this.

In this pandemonium of like they're obviously, this is all happening quick. This is a fluid situation. So if these things, if they're like, we have a body, you need to come get it now. Maybe in this in this like pandemonium of trying to like they've shot a fucking alien on the base. And this pandemonian said in that maybe over the radio, they're like, planes coming in from right patty right now for pickup and contamination. Like,

I don't, I don't see that out of the realm of possibilities. And I'll get into a little more. They slip in as what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. So like Brayton said, all of this happened within a relatively short amount of time.

Now you had the blue berets kind of wrap up the body in, the worst reported plastic sheeting was kind of deployed. You had a wooden, crate putting around it and then that one crate was kind of put in, you know, Russian Nestindal style, Nestindal style inside of an aluminum, what seemed to be like an aluminum box about the size of a military casket

according to... See, the one thing, the other thing, too, is like, you know, him saying that they use like a garden sprayer to coat the alien body with clear liquid. To me, I'm like, one, like, what do you guys think that would have been? And like, doesn't that seem to you like,

they've obviously done this before? Because, like, if you're spraying like you you don't if this is an alien body and you're spraying it like you don't know what's that going to do to the body right so obviously it's something to preserve it i'd imagine to slow down the decomposition but maybe but maybe that's because they've had bodies before so they know that's not going to affect because you don't you don't know what the fuck's going to happen to it when you spray it with anything on earth right like you they could have sprayed it with this liquid and it just melted and they would have been like oh shit shit what just happened like it's so rushed to me it's so rushed to me it like how fast this all like is reported to happening. It makes me like when I first read this, I thought it sounds like they know what they're doing for this situation. How many cameras have we had before this? We've had Roswell.

How many other things have we had? How many do we know about that's the question? Like we've had we've had some. I'm sure they've got experience. I'd imagine they have some type of fucking highly trained team to go recover fucking UFO bodies. All that type of shit at this point. And knocking them out of the sky left and right.

They go spray this. formaldehyde preservative all over them and bring him back to Hangar 18 So spend them in the pink jelly Oh yeah Let's go over again They sprayed it in clear liquid

They wrap it in a plastic sheeting of some kind They built a wooden crate around it Then they put the wooden crate Into an aluminum box The size of a military casket Right They're preserving the body Yep

And then they loaded it into an ambulance and drove it to the C-141 that was waiting some distance away to go ahead and take it off, assuming, assumedly, I guess, back to Wright-Paris Air Force Base in Ohio. Is a C-141, like, a transport?

Yeah, it's a cargo plane. It's a starliner? Like one of those, like a big, like huge body. It's a big plane. Transport tanks and shit, or what? Yeah. C-130. What I say, 141? E-141.

Dude, honestly, it's a star lifter. It's a big, yeah. It's a big fucker. It's interesting to me that they take off to Right Patty because we know that like, you know, some people call that Area 52. And it's like that's home to the foreign technologies division, right? Where like back in World War II, all they did was reverse engineer like shit they found. And we talked about it on the Wright Patterson Air Force Base that like if there was a down crash at that time of Roswell stuff, you probably would have brought it. to these people that are reverse engineering foreign technologies because even though you don't know what it is, that's their job.

Like that's what they specialize in in taking stuff they don't know and figuring out how it works. So if that's the case with Roswell and these things that they've actually been going to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, maybe that's why they're in a hurry to get this thing there because they're like, we already have bodies of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base that we've done autopsies on, we've studied. We've just never had one this fresh.

So that's why the rushes on. It makes a lot of sense. to study the anatomy to figure out how to like use their machinery. Yeah. Right. Like that would be. That's interesting. Right.

So that's what I kind of thought when I was like when I like alarm bells were going off. I'm like man, that kind of to me points again to write Patterson Air Force Base being more than meets the eye. Transformer. Yeah. More than me. Like there's. I still think that's where you're taking these at this time. Maybe not now.

But at this time, that's where you're taking any of this shit is to that foreign technologies division. Anger 18. Yep. So according to Richard Hall's book that was published in early 2000, you had two days later, Morse and the other participants that were involved in the event were actually taken to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. And there they underwent interrogation and were warned not to speak specific. specifically not to speak about the incident. So he,

Kay, there was one report that stood out to me when he's talked because he's like, oh yeah, you know, I, you know, I talked to, you know,

X, Y, Z, they gave me their badge and stuff. Their identities have been verified. But he goes like, he's like, you know, there was two,

you know, two officers, one holding a pipe and a civilian. I was like, what? One holding a pipe? I was like, like,

to beat you with. Like, I wasn't sure of, but now I'm thinking like, yeah, maybe a Sherlock pipe. But in my head when he was like, he was a very intimidating interrogation, I was like, well, yeah, if motherfucker's sitting there smacking a pipe against

his hand, you're not going to talk, eh? See? So, I know. And then after this, apparently all of the people involved. You just gave me the old, yeah, no. Yeah, no. Yeah, no.

Yeah, no. According to Morris, this precipitated him being deployed overseas and he was sent to another Air Force base in Okinawa. And then other, like, he implies that all of the people who participated in this were all sent to different far-flung, like far-flung bases like way outside so they were unable to communicate with each other

or to make it at least more difficult for them to communicate about what happened that night. So they're all kind of gone. sent out to whatever. So, yeah, you had this kind of story bouncing around for a while. So you had it in 1978 that's actually the events in question occurring. But you have the, and it kind of just sat around for a while. It's like the story, like once it came out in 1985 at the Mufon conference, you know,

published in the one paper by Stringfield, you have the, later on, it's like almost like 20 years later, you had NIDS get involved. So this is another kind of little facet to the story. So if everybody remembers Nids, everybody's favorite National Institute for Discovery Science, those boys out, they hang out and Skinwalker Ranch, OGs.

They went in to actually investigate the events that were associated with this report. So the deputy director at the time was Dr. Colm Keller, whose specialty, according to them, is cattle mutilations. I guess he can make that a specialty, I suppose. And he tasked a special investigator named Roger Pinson, who at the time, I think he was a retired police officer and investigator.

I think he was kind of worked in the kind of the security field following that, but he was tasked with investigating the actual reports of this, of the events of 1978. Now, the thing is, what I find kind of interesting is the way that Nids went into this. Now, we know Nids has been out there, you know, intimately involved with some of the things that were going on on Skimwalker Ranch. And even in parts of like the A-Tip, like part of them reaches into there as well because they're involved with extraterrestrial. I think they're kind of like on the sidelines with the extraterrestrial. materials that had been recovered that were reported to have been recovered at some point

when we're in their possession, or at least in possession of Bigelow Airspace, but at Bigelow who runs Nids until it was disbanded in 2004. But prior to that, they had this investigation going into 2000 into these, the events of January, 1978. Now, if you want to, you can look it up. I would suggest that everybody kind of look it up because like Roger Pence's investigation is a pretty solid way and well-documented investigation into something of this. Now, when Pinson went through most of those things, he did a lot of legwork, did a lot of phone calls,

a lot of contacting people. In the course of the investigation, Pinson said that he managed to interview at least several former McGuire Air Force Base officials. And these officials that he got in contact with didn't give any corroborating evidence of the events. that were reported by Morse.

That's because they were threatened with their families being killed. Well, no, or just being shipped away from your family. It's like, hey, you want to talk about this? You're going to Okinawa, my friend. And so this would be, I mean, this was 20 years. There's almost, like I said, 20 years after the fact. So this is 2000 is when the investigation started.

The threats linger. And so when he talked to at least, he said, four senior military officers who were stationed at McGuire Air Force Base at the time of the incident were interviewed by Roger Pinson and who was experienced and reported to have extensive training and interviewing and interrogation techniques as well as detection of deception which I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

Detection of deception. I can smell a lie. And most of these interviews were, I believe they were all pretty much like they were all performed over the phone, which is, you know, he didn't, I don't think he met with any of them in person. At least one of the ones that he had the most correspondence with, like, all of the conversations were held by phone.

But here's the thing. You know what? I'll say this. You know, the last line of these, all these officers responded insisting that they should have known about the incident if it occurred. Well, maybe they should have had it been reported properly, but like this happened at three in the morning and by the time this other groups coming in and picking up it's all just getting rugs like swept under a rug before it goes anywhere right like maybe like maybe that's how it offers it when these when these military officers come in for their nine to five shift or whatever the fuck they do right it's it's already been cleaned wrapped right no more reporting it's sealed right it's they're just like yeah go on don't worry about it go up go back on with your day right you're just next thing you know you're

reading logs for the next day, keeping work, right? You told the pay no mind to it, right? By a higher up. Why would you remember that, right? If someone came into me tomorrow at my work and was like, hey, don't worry about what happened at six, I just need you to go sweep the floor. I'd go, okay, go sweep the floor.

Like the levels of people that would have been involved in this, like even to the local police were involved in it. Yeah, but, and the only person you're getting any fucking information from is the Morris guy? Like, I don't know. There's so many fucking different agencies. You have two different fucking, you have Army N and fucking Air Force. You have local police.

You have fucking gunshots being shot. Like, I don't know. The threats to their family were extreme. And that's why they all kept their mouth shut. Right? Or you're just like, yeah, you're going to get demoted and stuff and you're going to go nowhere. Like this happened in 70. These guys are fucking retired now.

Let's talk about it. Yeah, deathbed confessions. Let's go. Well, didn't more say. in the interrogation that they made him sign something that was basically like he was liable for life for like keeping quiet. Like they made him sign documents that he said it had something to do with that. They were binding for life. The documents that he signed.

Yeah, he was led to believe. Some sort of document that that put him on the hook for being pretty much like you can't talk about this ever. Right. So if he's, if other people are doing this and they're like, well, I sign this thing. I don't want to be fucking, I don't want to get fucked over here. Right. Like I could lose everything. Right? It's easier for me just to say, no, I didn't happen, right? And it's gone, right? I'm sure a lot of people would do that.

There would have to be some type of cover up, though. That's what I don't. They're like with the amount, five gunshots that close in between two military bases. Like I don't, I just have a real tough time. Is it? The other thing is, is one of the things that was issued as a piece of evidence was like an incident report. And Dan, I kind of want to ask you about this particular. piece because one of the things about the incident report was the incident report was said like this was an evidence of a hoax because the incident report while it looked real like it was said to have like pay ranks instead of like actual ranks and Moore said well this wasn't the official this wasn't the official document like the official incident report he said that we would write up incident reports prior to submitting official ones so that they could be reviewed before you would file us like an official one.

And this is how we kind of did it unofficially. Now, in your time in the Navy, did you have to do any reports where you would write, you know, you would write an informal report first? Pre-report? In my line of work when I was in the Navy, I didn't have to write reports. I kept logs.

We had engineering logs. And so with engineering logs, usually you didn't really keep like two copies. Sometimes we would if it was something weird, like when the logs get, fucked up. You manage to drop them in the bilge and they fucking get all wet and all this shit. You know, you would keep like two logs sometimes just to be like, okay, here's one, whatever. And here's one that looks nice. And here's the one that's like I'm actually taking like whatever.

Usually it's kind of frowned on to frown upon to do that. Yeah. In my line of work, it's frowned upon to do that too. But is it, let's say, Andrew, you're friend of a friend. I know it's frowned upon, but is, I bet that happens a lot where guys, write the report, write a rough draft, send it to a union rep or something in an email, right? Hey, take a peek at this before I submit it officially. Yeah, well, you get something to read it over before you submit it. Yeah.

Right? And we had to, sometimes we had to rewrite logs, like something maybe got of, you know, miscommunicated or something like that. And then once it's on the log, like, our whole rule of thumb was like you get three lineouts, which is like you get three corrections. That's it. If you took down the wrong number or you misread a gauge or something and you read it wrong You get three lineouts and then you have to rewrite the whole lock. So it is possible that you can write these things out.

But yeah, there's a bit of few questions about that document as to whether it was an actual official document or if it was actually real at the thing. I think one of the, at least in Pinson's investigation when he did it. And he was talking to one of the officers who had been on McGuire Air Force Base and. would have had knowledge or reported to have said that they would have had intimate knowledge of this if it had occurred. They said when Pinson presented him with this, the document that Morris had kind of submitted as evidence, they said that there was a certain section that was referring to kind of like what was it was like unfounded or something like that, stuff that had been unconfirmed,

information that had been unconfirmed. And when he pointed to that, the Air Force Base official kind of said, no, we wouldn't do that because you only write down the facts. You only write down what can be corroborated, what can be confirmed. You wouldn't write down. I mean, of course, that could also lend credence to the point that you said that it was like a rough draft, that they were just writing down. Like, this isn't confirmed yet.

So, you know, we wouldn't hand this one in or something like that. So, I mean, I guess it could, you know, you could put up. on both sides, I suppose, if he really wanted to. But my thing is this. It's like, I could imagine Morse in his position being like, okay, well, I have access to my unofficial reports that I write before I handed my official one. And then when you give the official one off, it's like, it's handed off, it's gone. So it's like, especially in 1978, like, you know, is he doing a typewriter?

Is he doing it by hand? Like, it would make sense that he would have access to a copy that, you know, it's kind of frowned upon for you to be doing. But it's kind of standard practice. Put that in your personal files. Like, I don't know. I just, it's not official then. I wouldn't take,

but here's the thing, though. He could have jotted anything he fucking wanted on there. He didn't submit it to anybody. He could have just made the whole entire fucking thing up. Guy went and saw close encounters two months ago and came up the fucking fantastic story. You're sitting there. You're sitting there. You've seen this. You've seen the shooting.

You've seen the body. You're writing your report, right? You write your rough draft. And then you're looking at your rough drafts, right? And you're like, I know I should throw this in the garbage. but I also saw an alien body. Yeah, absolutely, but I'm also not in the military, and I'm not going to get, like, that fucking,

that's fucking high level of fuckery, boys. Yeah, but there's high level of fuckery everywhere. Yeah, but you're not just getting a slap on the wrist for that. You're dead. That's fucked out. Yeah. Right? I don't know.

Hence why he's using a fake name to report this shit. Yeah. It could very possibly be. So it's, yeah. The entire case is, it's wild. Like, the entire thing is wild. Like, you have everything that's, it's kind of nuts. You got shots fired.

You've got UFOs flying around a military base. All the hallmarks of a great, you know, UFO cover up. Strange blue beret, you know, men in black showing up, retrieving this extraterrestrial body, flying it to right patterns in Air Force Base. But again, it's like you really only have the two sources. We have the two sources. You have Morse. and the correspondence that he had with Stringfield and Hall.

And then you have Filer, who came forward later. But the thing is, like, they knew of Filer. Filer, I think, went on record saying that he had knowledge of the events. But the details of what he actually knew didn't really come out until that book was published in 2019, I believe. His whole version, the details of what kind of happened leading up to that. He really had before that, you really just had what Morse had told that he had been dispatched. They had no knowledge of the shooting or anything like that.

It's just like they had found that alien and just that it had been shot. Like that was it. Yeah, it's a cool little one and it's kind of sits down there on the back. And I believe, no, I don't think Greer had anything to do with this one. I think what I found kind of interesting was that this weird thing when I went into the report about Nids was how Nids who is involved with stuff like Skinwalker Ranch and UFOs and, you know, Bigelow who kind of, you know, has a hard on for this stuff. And how they were really hard on Stephen Greer. Like they brought up Greer like in 2000 and they were like, Greer's a fucking con. man. They really, really hate Stephen Greer for some reason. There's this weird animosity in the, in the, like, their published newsletter, you know, which included research into this case file and then some other things. And they talk about, like, they talked about how Greer and like Greer has no idea what he's doing. And it's kind of whole thing. So I found this kind of like, I found that really interesting. This is just this weird little schism between a Greer who some people, you know, a lot of people consider legit. And, and, you know,

You know, he brought a lot of stuff out into the open with his sources. And, you know, the documentaries that he put out was it, was Phenomenon? No, what was the one that he put out? Phenomenon? Disclosure? Serious. I mean, yeah, he stood a couple. But, yeah, it's all the C-SETI stuff that he put out. C-SETI stuff and. Right.

And then you have. And then you have NIDS in there who is like, you know, they're posing themselves, I guess, is a legitimate investigate. scientific investigative squad or whatever and institution. And they go in there and they're telling that, you know, Greer's full of shit. It's so weird. The aspect of this that I really like that, you know, makes me believe that there's a great, like maybe it's not all true, but I believe this account.

I believe something fucked up happened at this base. Is that for me, it's like, yeah, they say no cooperating evidence. there wasn't then but like now when you look at the whole like spectrum of like all the ufs oh stories we've ever told like this story corroborates with a ton of others right where this person would have morse would have no idea that like to tie this stuff in right but like looking back now you can you can look at this and be like man like the UFO is buzzing the bases there's so many accounts of that we we have confirmations of that actually happening from the u.s government now them creating this thing off in the middle of the night

in some like rushed fashion to write Patterson Air Force Base where you know we know about they had some sort of foreign technologies division like this guy these kind of weird things line up for me where I'm like if this guy was trying to hoax it in he wouldn't have known this other information well I know like this didn't have the broad this didn't come out till 85 right at that move on conference

now even there was all this not enough Well, no, I know, but what I'm saying, basically what I'm trying to say is, like, did all of this come out in that report or has stuff been added to the story as times been going on? Because this wasn't even, this wasn't further investigated until what, 2001? Now, this came out with the, like the, most of the information, like I said, the, not the details preceding up to where Morse enters the story. All of that was kind of added by Filer later. And then the, but the parts about the, the retrieval of the body, the UFOs, like that part. That's all part of,

that was all part of Stringfield's report that paper that he published in 1985 for the Mufon conference. Interesting. Right? Like to me, where I'm like, God damn, man, like he lined a lot of stuff up

when he wouldn't have known that it lined up. You know what I mean? Like for him, he didn't have the full picture of what we know now about all these like UFO encounters and stories and what's what's gone on right so to me looking back at this now i give it more credibility i think i'm like i think something did happen there and i think that there was a big cover-up they shot an alien the first oh what are you thinking i think they fucking shot an alien and they packed it up

they took it to write patterson they put in hangar 18 in the fucking pink jelly we talked about and it's been sitting there ever since and now we say oh there's been made of been too many people someone who had came forward. What if the fucking neuralizer is a real device? And they actually is a wiped fucking memory. There you go. I think you cracked it. Yeah, it's called LSD. 78. We're in 78. We're in peak.

We're in MK Ultra time here. Are we not? Yeah. It's like, oh, what you think you saw, you did Nazi. Drink this water. He's using LSD darts. Fucking them at you. Just jump, dump a big bag and like the fucking captain. cafeteria coffee. Just like something coffee pot.

Just dump it all in there. Yeah, all right. Cheers, everyone. Cheers and coffee? And then people say, man, I could have swore I found an alien on the tarmac last night. My hands were talking to me. That's way more interesting.

And they're like, oh, we better do. Snowsberries taste like snowsberries. We better doing a fucking drug test on Johnson over there. And all of a sudden he's got record amounts of LSD in his system still. And they're like, yeah. base-wide announcement. Drug tests have been suspended for the next month. Mandatory drug testing has been suspended for the next month.

Well, then they threaten you. Then they bring you into interrogation room, threaten you. You'd be like, hey, listen, you're never going to talk about this shit again. Or we're going to, like, discharge you for being a drug addict. We have your test results. Right? And we're going to ruin your life.

I think there'd be a couple of reports about people getting tests on that list. An entire military base. Hey, listen. Listen, Dan, there's tons. There's tons. tons of reports of people getting dosed with LSD. There is. Mores' life was ruined. He couldn't get work after this

or anything. And he used a fucking pseudonym. Yeah, Morris cites this as the why he found difficulty finding employment post the event. Because he's a fucking alien murder. Yeah. No, Morris didn't shoot him. It was the other guy. Oh. He was, he was he was, what's it when you call it? It's not a willing participant

but you're like... An accomplice? He was there. He didn't do anything to stop it. He didn't do anything. He was. He was. I mean, the one thing for the story that is obviously hard to get a wrap her head around is why just the one alien, where was his buddies in the craft? Why did they just drop him off?

Was it like, because he was, he was the one that they let out to preach the good news, just like that fucking guy on Sentinel Island or whatever that went out there with the Bible. And then the fucking, the last island with arrows. They shot him with arrows. The last island on Earth, right? History repeats itself. Yeah. I'm going to go talk to these guys.

The last island to be infiltrated on Earth was that island. And some balzy Christian was like, I can do it. No, you can't. Have you guys heard the good news? No arrow in the face. Maybe the alien was on a fucking night mission. You know, when you're like back in high school, they could do night missions.

And there's a fucking abandoned car on the Coca-Halla for like a few weeks. And it's got a nice sound system. All right, I'm going to drop you off. I'm going to swing around the block. You smash the window. You grab the speaker box. I'll be right back. You jump in the car and we drive away.

Maybe that's what the ET was thinking. his buddies are up hovering or above. They drop him off. He doesn't get very far. He doesn't speak the language. He got blasted. And they're like, oh, fuck! And they just take off.

Let's leave him. Ron. The other thing that would kind of make sense to me is that, you know, perhaps he was just the only one shot. Like, there was others running around. But that's the only one that they saw in the headlight. I mean, if they didn't see him in the headlight, they probably wouldn't have seen him at all. Yeah. It's a fucking cool case though.

I mean, there's not too many where an alien is shot, like at least claim to be shot. Like, this has got to be the only one. Yeah, at least with the ones that we had, that it's like stuff has been shot but the bodies have ever been recovered. You know? Like this one of actually having an alien being fired upon

by a confrontation. A weapon. Yeah, a confrontation between alien and military security. It shot them five times. And then found the body. You know, I mean, there's other accounts So probably of extra trails being fired at or other extraterritorials or other types of beings or stuff being shot at or maybe clipped.

And there's reports of what was the one that we even the one we talked about the last cryptid we talked about. Slipping my mind right now. Oh, Dan's need to recharge. Yeah. Forgetting. When we talked about our last script, like even cryptids like being shot and being wounded or something. like that. You've seen that, but not an actual body being

recovered. That's something. Or, you know, recovering bodies, even like the Roswell, reported of Roswell or like the Aztec UFOs where it's like you have bodies that are recovered after the fact, like they died in the crash or shortly after, but having an actual military personnel fire

on an alien and then have that body recovered is something that you don't hear about very often. Yeah, it's a fucking cool one. Nonetheless. All right. Well, let us know your thoughts. We want to know. We look at this case.

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