Somewhere in the Skies - The Basement Office with Steven Greenstreet

Episode Date: April 27, 2020

On episode 158 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we head down to the dark and dingy basement office of NY Post journalist, Steven Greenstreet. After the bombshell news of a secret Pentagon UFO program was released to the world, news outlets scurried to play catch-up on this highly intriguing news. Luckily, the NY Post had Steven Greenstreet on hand who had a keen interest in the UFO topic. Thus, The Basement Office web-series was created. Along with Nick Pope, a former government official who researched and investigated UFOs for the Ministry of Defense, Greenstreet and Pope navigate their way through decades of UFO history to get us to where we are now in 2020 on the issue. In this interview, Greenstreet discusses what he found most fascinating in his research. He then breaks down two very compelling UFO videos he and Ryan came across, and then we get a sneak peek and what to expect in season two of the Basement Office. To watch the entire first season of the Basement Office, CLICK HERE Watch the video version of this episode HERE Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan's Book by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is edited by Jane Palomera Moore Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Terms apply. Hey guys, before we get to this week's episode, my guest and I referenced several UFO videos in great detail in our conversation. So if you're just listening to the audio version of this, I do want to let you know that the full episode is also available in video format. Over on the Ryan Sprague YouTube channel, I've included the actual UFO videos we talk about in the video version. So if you want more context and to see some really compelling UFO footage, I'll link it in the show notes or just head over to YouTube. in type in Ryan Sprigg, the channel should show up. And with that, enjoy the episode. Today on the show, New York Post Reporter, Documentarian, and host of the basement office

web series, Stephen Green Street. I'm not here to convince you that what this pilot saw that zipped over his plane is an alien. I'm here to convince you that he saw something unidentified. Neither he, the FAA, the military, the people who are. We're supposed to know. Don't know. This is somewhere in the skies with Ryan Sprague. So I'm really happy to have you here.

When I first saw your show over at the New York Post, I was like, this is the kind of stuff I love. I love seeing people tackle the topic of UFOs in such a serious manner. I mean, I feel like that ridicule factor is shedding, and we can definitely talk about that. But first and foremost, I got to get the origin. story from that. How did you first get interested in UFOs to begin with? Yeah, so I was thinking about this, and I'm a 90s kid, so I, obviously, the X-Files was like, that was my thing in the 90s, was the X-Files. But if I remember correctly, I was actually,

I would go to the library when I was 10, 11 years old, and I remember renting Crash at Corona, which is about the Roswell crack. And I remember renting, uh, renting Bud Hopkins books, which, you know, Bud Hopkins wrote a series on alien abductions, you know, real cases of people claiming to have been abducted by aliens. And I remember being 10 or 11 in reading those books. So I think it started back then. Wow. Yeah. I think Crash of Corona was actually the first UFO book I got my hands on too at the library. So there's got to be something to that, man. Thank you Stanton Friedman first and foremost. Well, before we even get to, the basement office, which is kind of

the focus of the interview, this web series that you created. I know you had a UFO sighting, and if you're willing to talk about it, I would absolutely love for you to share that with our audience. It's strikingly similar to my own experience,

so I want to hear it from your mouth first before I say anything. But yeah, would you mind sharing that with us? Yeah, totally. So this is 2003. I was living in Utah. I was going to Brigham Young University at the time, and the LDS Church has a film studio, a couple's huge sound stages.

They film multi-million dollar movies there. I was a PA, which is basically a grunt coffee getter at the time, you know, my beginning stages. And this one particular night, my job was to guard the door outside the sound stage. So make sure no one comes in while we're filming. So it's night, I'm standing outside of the sound stage forever, and, you know, my mind was drifting. I was, you know, bored, and something caught my eye, and so I looked up, and it was a triangle like this, not like, you know, F117 size, but more, you know, a wider triangle. And it was going from south to north at a relatively slow speed. So at first I thought balloon may be a blimp, but the size of it didn't make sense for a blimp.

There were low clouds that you could see the stars through the clouds, and they were very low in zipping across at high speed. And this sucker was under the clouds. It wasn't above the clouds. I could see it. So only about 1,000 feet up. And so as my mind is processing what I'm looking at, I go, oh, right. I was at an air show a couple years ago, and I saw the B-2s. That's pretty sweet.

The Hill Air Force Base is right down the road. It's at B-2. And then as it got right above me and went past, it didn't make a single sound. Nothing. And that's when my emotions and adrenaline started flowing because I'm used to that auditory connection to an airplane, right? My whole life, auditory connection to an airplane in the sky. And when my brain didn't receive that auditory connection, my brain started to go haywire a little bit, like something's wrong, something's not right. And my breathing, I remember my heart started pounding, and it was like a little bit of a panic.

And it disappeared off into the horizon, and the red light, I remember the red light above the door went bang, which means it went off. The red light above the door went off, which means open the door, come in, you know, to the films. So I kind of like snapped out of it and, you know, went in to do my job. And I was still in the days. And I went up to my assistant director and I said, hey, I think I just saw a UFO. And they were like, yeah, whatever. And I was like, no, no, no, really. I'm being serious.

I think I just did. And everybody's in their space. I didn't have anybody to talk to in that moment about my sighting. I think I told a handful of people, you know, close to me at the time about it. But because they weren't there, they couldn't, they didn't have any emotional reaction to it. And then I just kind of like went on my life until I started the basement office where I got to, you know, talk about it with Nick Pope. And at that moment, when I was talking about it with Nick Pope, it was like all those emotions just kind of like came back. Right. Yeah. It's crazy how these things happen. So I do want to share full disclosure.

I had a UFO sighting that was almost identical to what you're describing. triangular formation. I didn't see a structure, like a machine or anything. I just saw the, you know, sort of that formation. And this was in upstate New York in 1995. So, I mean, this was a while ago. And you mentioned you were child of the 90s. I was listening to Green Day on a disc man when I saw mine. And I just remember the same thing, man. I took my headphones off because I saw this thing above me. and all I could hear was like I was off a body of water I was fishing and all I could hear was like the water hitting the dock and I could hear Green Day on my headphones like 20 feet away because I whipped the headphones off and no noise whatsoever. So I don't know what to make of that but the way you describe how you felt during it and kind of what was going on is so similar. And I don't know if it's because we saw the same thing or this is just a human reaction to these things.

We don't know how to process it. But yeah, man, it's, it was crazy when you, when you relayed that story in your show. I was just like sitting there glued to it. Like, oh my God, is he going to say the same thing like that I experienced too? So I don't know. There's got to be something to it. Let me ask you, the object you saw, what sort of speed would you estimate it was moving at? Super slow. I mean, when I first saw it, it was right above me, just floating. It wasn't moving

when I first saw it. It was just above me. I don't know. I don't know how many feet up or anything like that. But I was at a motel and my dad was inside. I could see him inside. So I start yelling for him and he actually came out and saw the thing with me. So I had another witness. The funny thing is, though, when I yelled for him to come in, that's when it started moving over the water, super slow. And Canada was right on the other side of this

the St. Lawrence River in New York. And I just remember he came out and it was coasting over the water and headed right towards Canada and then disappeared. You know, part of my brain, as I said in the show, still wants to believe

it was a human-made top-secret, black, Black project, something of that nature. As I said, you know, Hill Air Force space is driving distance from my sighting. Area 51 is directly to the west of Utah there. And so I was trying to triangulate, you know, where could this thing could have come from? So part of my brain still is open to the fact that it was, you know, some top secret human new technology thing. But it's the, it's the science man like to keep a large structure in the air at slow speed or no speed you need an incredible amount of energy and that energy makes noise right you know and

I didn't hear that noise and so that means something new yeah thing that we haven't seen before you know that we don't know about it means something uh fantastic I feel the same way. I feel like whatever I saw was probably manmade because it, it just seemed that way to me. I mean, I was 12 when I saw this. Did you, did you take a photo of it? No, no, I had nothing, man, nothing. Yeah, but did you think in your mind, as you're observing this, oh, I must run and grab my camera? No, no, I was. Exactly. Exactly, man. And that, that is, we do hear that from a lot of witnesses. Like, you're so in the moment and, um, no, I was frozen there. Like, I was petrified. So I think that's what kept me there more than anything.

And, like, those things weren't going through my head. I wanted my dad. And that's why that was, like, my first reaction was I wanted a parent to come protect me from whatever the hell this thing was. Well, you did mention the basement office. I definitely want to touch on this with you. What inspired you to create the basement office? I mean, was this something you'd always been working on? Did the New York Post come to you?

How did this all come to be? Yeah, the New York Post, I work at the New York Post, the New York Post came to me and said, hey, you know what, we've noticed on YouTube and on site, a lot of people are clicking and searching for UFO stories, especially lately, as one can assume why, you know, wonder why everyone's suddenly interested in UFOs. Maybe we should do a series, like a video series on UFOs. And I'm at work, I'm known as like the UFO guy. Like, everyone kind of knows. Oh, Steve knows about UFOs.

Go ask him. And I, and so they were like, you know, pitch something. So I came up with the concept of basically, I didn't want to do a history channel travel discovery type UFO show where it's like, in 1995, a group of citizens looked up in the other. Overproduced, like, cinematic escapism, like infotainment. I didn't want to, like, beat people. over the heads. I wanted to just, I just pictured Mulder's office from the X-Files,

pictured a desk, and me talking to experts and analyzing the facts. And anything that can't be proven or anything that has nothing to back it up, let's acknowledge that and move it to the site. And let's just focus on what we know and what we can prove. Because honestly, I think that's the scarier stuff, not the conspiracy theories, but the cold heart facts. Like when you look at radar data and police audio or radio audio and, you know, pilot and military and government

testimony, that's the stuff where it starts to like blow your mind, you know? So that was like the general concept, two people at a desk talking about the facts about UFOs. Yeah, it's the perfect pitch. I mean, I mean, you could tell by the amount of views he got on the series. Like, this is something

people want, especially since the New York Times story broke about this. And we'll get into that. But you did mentioned Nick Pope. Now, this guy is the real life, Mulder, and he's a hero in the quote-unquote UFO field. So how did you get hooked up with this guy?

And yeah, how did that all come about? Yeah, so originally, I had, the idea I had was each episode I would have a different co-host. Like, each episode would have like a guest. And we emailed and sent invites out to people asking if they were interested.

Nick was one of the first ones to respond that he was interested. we flew him out and right off the bat I was like wait no he has to stick around for all the episodes because he was just he was so great like not just on and off camera but super smart and like our chemistry like you could tell like we bounce off each other really well

and I said no Nick has to be like the co-star of the show and he he agreed he was like great, let's do it. And so that was like a blessing. Like, really, like he helped make the show what it, what it is. Right. And for my listeners and viewers who don't know, this dude was the head of the MOD UFO desk. So, I mean, he was who people went to to investigate these in terms of how the British dealt with this topic, which is an interesting correlation to how America deals with it as well. So, I mean, you pick the right guy. And hell, let's be honest, a British accent just up. the quality of everything, right? The elegance and the eloquence, I guess, is the right word. Oh, totally. He adds a refined touch.

Right, right. Now, I think when you first started the series, you kind of caught up the viewers with what was going on. So this New York Times story breaks about a secret UFO program having gone on. The public didn't know about this. So I want to get your initial thoughts on this, Stephen. Like, when this story broke, I don't know about you, but I was like dumbfounded. I've been studying UFO since I was like 13 or 14 years old.

And we all thought Project Blue Book was the last time that the government was investigating UFOs. So this comes out of nowhere and like very few people knew about it. And it just exploded. So what did you think when this story first broke? where you're like, this is it. We're in disclosure now. This episode is brought to you by Netflix. Most valuable promotions in Netflix

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And Politico and then CNN. And I was just blown away that the top media companies were covering this, not just like as a quick one-off, but like extensive articles, like well-research, well-interviewed articles, that was different, you know, I think. And I think for those of us, like, already in the UFO world in a way, it was more of a big deal. And I think your average layman was, honestly, the people I talked to who weren't really into it, they were like, wait, what? You know, like, say that again.

Like, yeah, yeah. The New York Times just, like, blew the lid off the Pentagon's UFO program. Here are three videos you can look at and watch. And people were just like, wait, what's going on? You know? Yeah, yeah. So in terms of those videos that were released as well, we got three videos, the gimbal, the Tick-Tac, and the GoFast. Yeah.

What's your favorite, man? I got to ask, out of the three, what was like the one you found most compelling? Okay. So two, let me do it, two tiers. So first, I believe it's the go fast where the thing, you can see the water underneath of it, and it's zipping super fast. And I love hearing the military men, hearing their audio as they're observing it in the moment and their excitement and their adrenaline, because these are guys that fly for a living.

These are guys that observe fast things every day. and the fact that these guys are blown away by what they're looking at, it makes it more impactful. Because if it's blowing them away, then it must be something unique. Because that's their profession, you know? I'm sure they're hard to impress when it comes to airplanes, you know. So that one, but the story behind the semi-boring 2004 TikTok video,

because honestly the one minute that's been released, it's like it's just there. I mean, it's just a blob. Right. But the context of that blob, the story behind it is just incredible. Like, it's still hard for me to wrap my brain around the true story behind it. That is such a good point. I think this is where witness testimony is so important. We could have a million videos of things hanging in the sky or whatnot.

But until we have context for what actually happened, I think that's where the meat of it is. You know, we did get these videos, which, yeah, like you said, the TikTok one is pretty anticlimactic until, you know, it shoots off right at the end. But how long are these videos? I don't think anyone in the public has that knowledge yet of what are we not seeing in the videos that was caught. So in episode one of season two, the new season of the basement office, we interview witnesses who were in the room and watched the raw footage of the Tick-Tac video as it was happening.

And they estimate anywhere between 8 and 12 minutes. So while there's one minute released online, there's actually like 9, 10 minutes after that that hasn't been released. And, you know, we know we learned in the last few months, the Navy. admitted that they have classified slides, briefing slides on the TikTok, and they also said we have a classified video of the TikTok. So one has to assume, you know, connect the dots. They have a longer video. Someone's got it. Well, hopefully we'll, we'll get to see that someday. If not, it's amazing that we're still talking about the same damn video, like almost three years later now, but that's how these things work. We just, we'll take what we can get. And I know,

in your first episode as well, you talk about the best evidence that's out there. You know, you covered the Trent photos, the Brazil cases. You covered Chicago O'Hare, which is a case a lot of people don't talk about that often, which is, blows my mind. It's one of the best ones out there.

So did any other cases really stick out to you as being like, wow, this is a smoking gun that I think kind of faded into obscurity, I guess? Well, you bring up Chicago, and I am still amazed at that case because it's one thing to say, it's one thing for one person to say, oh, I saw a flying saucer above the airport, right?

But when you've got pilots, flight attendants, airport crewmen, seeing this in reporting the same thing, a disc hovering above, highly controlled, highly sensitive airspace, you have to start wondering what the heck were they looking at. And those are the cases that I gravitate towards, where there's FAA tapes, FAA transcripts, you know, pilot audio, the cases that we come from the basement office, where you hear the pilots in the cockpit

observing UFOs. And in one case, the pilot calls it a UFO. And these things are zipping like over their plane. they're almost ducking in the cockpit as this thing zips over. And it's like, is this where we're at where we just kind of have to hope, you know, something doesn't hit your plane? I mean, and you learn this is, these aren't isolated cases. The cases of UFOs unidentified flying objects, breaking into sensitive airspace, flying space, flying under, above in front of our pilots, You know, the Navy just called it a safety hazard. The Navy within Joe Gratissure with the Navy recently just called all, you know, a safety hazard. Okay.

So what are you doing about it, man? That is such a good point, Stephen. I mean, they A-TIP, the Secret Pentagon program, their sort of investigation was all based on a national security threat. Like, are these UFOs a threat to us? And I think you're right. When they're zipping past the pilots or they don't know. what to do about them. Do I fire at this thing? Do I leave? Like, what do I do I do? The threat almost seems more from us in terms of look at cases like the Tehran incident of 1976. A pilot almost died

trying to shoot at a UFO. And there are other cases where this has happened where pilots have died trying to chase an unidentified flying object. So I do wonder, is the threat more with how we respond to these things and that there is no protocol for it. And I start off by saying to a lot of folks, I'm not here to convince you that what this pilot saw that zipped over his plane is an alien. I'm here to convince you that he saw something unidentified, neither he, the FAA, the military, the people who are supposed to know, don't know. That's all I want to convince you. And that that's a problem. You know?

Yeah. The people that are supposed to protect American airspace, keep it safe, keep it clear of hostile or foreign or unidentified objects, a lot slipping through their fingers right now. Yeah, that's such a good point. I mean, and you covered so many cases,

and you had audio in there that I'd never heard before. Some of them were really, really eerie to hear. And another one of the things you talk about in the show. You showed video. You had audio from the base commander. This was the Rendlesham Forest incident. Like the mother load of, uh, it's Britain's Roswell, basically. Um, now, had you known about this case prior to covering it with Nick on the show? I had not known the deep, nitty, great details. I knew it was Air Force. I knew it was a triangle that they had seen.

basically so I know Colonel Holtz, I knew Colonel Holt's story. Penniston's story I hadn't really heard about. I knew like the brass tax of what happened in Reynolds Shemp, but not the other stuff. Yeah, well, I definitely want to touch on that other stuff with you. I mean, so we have a case, 1980, UFO's seen over two joint military bases.

Now we've come to learn from the base commander that nuclear weapons were being housed on the base, without Britain's knowledge, and the UFOs affected the nuclear or, it's just, it's insane. It's insane about everything that happened with this case. But one thing you covered in your show, which is one of the big game changers, I think, in this case, is the effects on the officers who saw this, who experienced it. And we're talking the John Burroughs story. Now, this guy had physical elements occur after this, right?

Yes. So, oh my gosh, this blew me away. You can actually see my response in the episode that because of their interaction, proximity to the object that they saw, they claimed that they received physical ailments from that radiation, whatever it may be. They were exposed to something. Now, that may sound like science fiction, but, When medical records come up, U.S. senators get involved, health insurance companies get involved. And when you're able to read with your own eyes, yes, they did receive trace amounts of radiation from this object. And yes, we are going to cover your health care costs because of that. I couldn't believe that. Like, I couldn't believe that there was an official acknowledgement of their interaction, of the military's interaction with the UFO. And because of that, Air Force officers were hurt because of that. And you're just like, okay.

So that's pretty solid proof, you know? Like, they didn't even, they didn't even work around like, okay, let's put something else in writing. Like, okay, in the line of duty. Or something like that It was like Because of your encounter at Rendlesham in 1980 Like yeah Like we acknowledge this happened to you

And that you did get this ailment And we're going to help you pay for it Wow One of her maids in the Philippines was an us swung I felt like someone was choking me I looked up and I saw it And I looked right at him Nobody saw a single thing

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And this is where things get a little murky, I think, for a lot of people who, um, use this case to depend on in terms of documentation, how many people were involved. We have so many officers who've come forward to say that they experience this. Jim Penniston. He says that he touched the craft. A code of some sort was downloaded into his brain, and he's trying to decipher this. Now, this is where it gets really science fictiony, for me at least. I struggle with this one, man. So I'd love to hear, what do you think about? You go from From John Burroughs, senators fighting to get him health coverage for a life-threatening ailment from a UFO event to someone saying they now have a binary code downloaded into their brain. So what do you make of this juxtaposition there with this case?

Yeah. Okay. So if you notice in the basement office, we had Burroughs and Holt, like, in their own episode. And then we had a whole episode dedicated to Penison. And we started that episode with a disclaimer of like, look, there is basically no hard evidence to like support this story. Like we can't show you a document, a photo, video, audio, anything to prove that what he's saying is real. Other than the fact that yes, he was there, he was there. We know that.

Yes, you know, we have the document of the statement he gave, you know, like that happened. But I was go we were going to let him tell his story, you know, because he was there. He's documented he saw something. We've got two credible witnesses that, you know, we're in the same place. So let's let him tell a story. But beyond that, it's a great story. But one, you can't prove. But one, you shouldn't like shut out either.

Like you want to be sensitive, you know, and be like, you know, tell me your story. You don't want to like cut off people because like, oh, show me a photo, you know, because I don't have a photo of my sighting, you know, like I don't have physical proof to prove to you that I actually saw what I saw, but I know I did, but I still want to tell my story. And so Penniston, you know, okay, let's hear your story. And I struggle with it as well. I mean, it would make a great movie. Just say this about Rendell Shim. He claims he touched this craft, he saw a flash of light, and then images. And he claims actually later on at his home,

these images started playing almost like a hologram in front of his eyes, and he wrote these images down. Now, that sounds like a movie on the sci-fi channel, but I start to observe, I'm like, does any technology exist today that we can see where something can be beamed into the human brain? And it turns out there is. The military has a audio wave.

It's basically like a gun. This is real. They can beam audio or voices to your head. If you Google this, this exists. The patent exists. It's out there. There's a ray, an invisible ray gun. It actually looks like a satellite dish.

And they can beam audio to where you would hear it in your head. And so I'm like, okay, I'm looking at a patent. I'm looking at the report that this exists. This exists. Okay, so technology to beam something into someone's head exists. Okay? So in that sense, his story becomes a little bit less crazy in that the technology to do that in an infant stage exists.

That's a good point, man. I mean, until it's every physicist or scientist who come out with these wacky theories, they're crazy until it's proven real. And I think that's the kind of world we live in now where a lot of these things we thought would never happen are happening. And they've been happening for a while. So I agree with you.

Rendlesham remains one of the most credible UFO cases out there. All the witnesses, most of them are still alive that we can talk to, which makes it different, you know, from the Roswells and stuff like that. I just want to say like the Rendlesham has been attacked for being a hoax, a prank, etc. And I get that

as a possibility. Yeah, as a possibility. But Colonel Holt, I just, I found him credible. We have the evidence of the audio of him out investigating and there's no way around the fact that that sounds legit.

You know, so you have to be open to the possibility that it could be a hoax embellished, exaggerated, but the evidence that exists, the radiation, like, it's something happened in those woods, man. You know? I'm with you on that.

I think right now I'm actually going to, I'm going to play a little bit of that audio for the audience to hear. It's so eerie. So, yeah, I'm going to play that right now. Yeah, so that audio is pretty freaky. But I want to move on to some more recent videos, actually, with you, Stephen.

Now, this is what you brought to me. that I had never seen before. So I feel like I'm failing as a quote-unquote euphologist. But yeah, tell us a little about this case out of Utah that you found. Okay. So there's this drone footage, I believe, out of Beaver, Utah from a few years back from a, like, video film company, they were, from what I understand, testing a new drone or shooting footage of their drone of, like, landscapes and stuff.

and they were out in the plains near the mountain ranges in Beaver, Utah, and filmed a bunch of stuff. They come back. Weeks later, they're going through the footage, and they see something zipped by the camera. And they're like, wait, was that a bird? What was that? They play it back, and they keep playing it back and looking at it, and it gets weirder every time they look at it. And so they posted the clip, you know, and people, including myself, really started looking at it, you know, frame by frame. Was this a bird? Was this a bug? Yeah, okay, yeah, it was a bird. It looks like a seagull,

something like that. But then you watch it again, you're like, wait, is that coming out of the, from behind the mountain? It looks like it comes down through the valley and then turns and zips past the camera. And you keep watching and you're like, yeah. And then some, like, crazy people, and I give up like hats off to them, they went through an analyzed distance size. they went through, they found the exact location of where this was, the size of the trees, the size of the distance between the drone in the tree, and you can watch these videos online where they've drawn lines, this equals 25 feet, this equals this much, the height of the

mountain, we know this mountain is this high. And they triangulate, you know, speed, height, and distance into this huge mathematical thing. And when that's, when the math and the science is placed on screen, this sucker a bird or bug that suddenly goes away and you're like okay the size does change it gets bigger as it approaches

okay so what size does it change we can estimate it speed now and wow it's like moving it like Mach 8 Mach 9 so what is this thing and when you really look at this thing man it looks tech in my view

it looks like a white little pill moving and okay so is it CGI is some random video film company that shoots drone footage professionally did they decide we need some viral attention

let's put in a UFO why would you how to know why would you put something in that at first looks like a bird or a bug that isn't immediately like whoa you know so it's it's subtle so

I'm open to that because a lot of CGI crap exists out there. Almost every day I see a new CGI UFO in Twitter. I'm like, oh, God damn it. You know, like, stop this. You know, it's just murking the waters. But this case fascinates me because the witnesses, the sources, they seem legit. The science behind it seems legit. And the speed, when you zoom in, you're able to, it's in super,

HD, this footage. When you zoom in, when it comes out of the mountain range, you can see it pivot. It pivots and then zips. And it matches when you listen to the eyewitness testimony of the Nimitz encounter and how that object

was, you know, how it was moving and the speed at which it would move incredible speeds and the way it would pivot and turn and zip. I just kept connecting those two. And that's what I see in that footage, which I think

went mostly underreported because of just how subtle it is and how you can dismiss it. But there is a video, and if you can find it just to show a clip of how they've put the math and science on distance and speed of everything that you're looking at,

and there's no way to deny that that sucker isn't something flying in front of the lens like this. It's size changes as it approaches, and that's like amazing to me. I love that footage.

I, when you brought it to me, I was really, you know, I'm always, you know, hesitant about UFO videos, but when I saw it, my initial reaction was like, it's a buck, it's a bug. But then I did exactly what you said, and I went back and did it frame by frame, and you can literally see this thing coming from, like, behind the mountain range. Yeah, so that one, man, I'm so happy you brought it to me. I hope people will look into it more. And the fact that these guys who shot the drone footage came forward with this and said, no, like, this wasn't like a bug, a bird.

We see the shit all the time. So like, that's enough for me to be like, there's something to this. Yeah, totally. 100%. Well, underreported was a good way to put it. Now, this next one for me is the most underreported UFO video to date. I mean, this thing blows the tick-tack, the cut. the GoFest out of the water, in my personal opinion.

And I'm just going to read it here because it's a little convoluted, but this came from supposedly, came from a Homeland Security video. The object in the video, it was captured on thermal imaging. Let's see, what else? This happened at the Rafael Hernandez Airport in Aguadilla, Puerto Rico. So, yeah, man, this one is... What do you make of it?

Had you heard about this case before? Yeah, what do you think? Okay, so I had heard about it. I had seen what I thought was the full video, but I apparently just saw a clip before. I didn't know the nitty-gritty details. But let me just walk you through this video a little bit. The thing that's shocking is it apparently breaks airspace

over the Rafael Hernandez Airport, which is run by the FAA. You know, that's it, and so it, it flies over an official airport, the Raphael Hernandez airport. And because it breaks through the airspace, it's not responding to radio, doesn't have a transponder. Plains on the ground are delayed. The airport shuts down because something's in our airspace. It's not responding to radio. I mean, that's, that's creepy and that's scary and that's dangerous.

It leaves the Raphael Hernandez airspace. Apparently, at this point, we have a Department of Homeland Security border protection plane filming it move. And the part that I didn't know about this video that you can clearly see at the end is that this sucker goes into the ocean. And I was like, no way does this happen. And then... And then he comes back out. Comes back up. I'm sorry to steal your thunder there, man.

I got too excited. Come back up. And like, oh, my God. So it becomes a USO, you know, unidentified submerged object at that point. And, you know, that's crazy. Now, you have to think, okay, maybe it's a, you know, top secret military experimental drone or, you know, flying torpedo. We know these things exist.

Maybe the Navy is experimenting because they're open about doing this anyway. Transmedium transportation. You know, dating back to the 40s, you read news reports about the Navy wanting a flying submarine. So could it be, you know, something like that? Sure. But why is the military endangering their own, you know, airspace of, you know, commercial and, you know, public airliners? I could see them experimenting, but why are you causing such a hassle and safety hazard for your own citizens in the process? There's a better, safer way to do it that could avoid, you know, planes that are full of 150 people, you know?

So you got to like juggle that. Also, you have to be open to the fact that the video is completely fake. I lean towards it's not. It seems to have all the hallmarks, legitimacy. see the, I mean, this is a 150, there's a one, there is, you can read it online, you send it to me, there's 159 page analysis of the, of the, of the art here itself, and like they go through, there are, here, acknowledgments, there are letters here, FOIA letters to the Department of the Air Force, there, there's documentation here that, you know, the video is real,

the object itself is estimated to actually not be that large five feet maybe seven feet the speed of this object is also caught my eye as not very fast 80 to 100 miles an hour when it strikes the water it's estimated to hit the water at 110 miles an hour now anything if you hit with if you're in your car you know your Prius you're driving a and you hit a body of water at 109 miles an hour, it's going to mess your car up. Like, it's essentially like hitting a wall, essentially. I mean, things are going to break, fly off, debris.

But the fact that this thing is observed, hitting the water at 109 miles an hour, and then bloop, like, coming back and being cool and, like, moving and still functioning, that's okay, that's interesting, you know? Like, we don't, something you see every day. Yeah, that's such a good point, man. And even at the end of the video, we see that when it comes out of the water, it either breaks into two objects or it meets up with something else, which is like, I just, this, I don't understand how this video could not be bigger than it is.

I don't know. It just, it faded. It faded. And I don't know how that could happen. Now, in the report that I just brought up, they, they offer the possible explanation that what we're seeing. is a heat register reflection off the water because it's so close to the water. The heat register is reflecting through the infrared camera.

So it's a mirage of two images, but they're not able to prove that that's exactly what we're seeing. So the possibilities open that either it meets up with a second object or it actually splits into two objects. Now, alone, this case is, confusing. But when you look at other cases, the Nimitz included where they observed a USO on top of a UFO, and you look at other cases of UFOs flying near bodies of water, above bodies of water, or into bodies of water, there are a lot of them. And it seems to mimic what we're seeing in this video, supposedly from the government.

In season two of the basement office, we have a whole episode dedicated to USOs. Oh, cool. So you're tackling that. You have to. I mean, this is such an underreported part of uphology or UFO history that doesn't get covered often. There's maybe one or two books on it, but these reports are almost more astounding. I mean, I can think of the Shag Harbor incident being one. My UFO incident happened over a body of water.

Right. Yeah. It's more common than I think. people think. It blew me, so in season, in episode two of season one, which is about flying saucers,

Nick blew my mind because we were, we were analyzing the Brazilian Navy saucers. And he said, hey, just so you know, this isn't like isolated, like UFOs seen above or in bodies of water.

They're called USOs, and it's like a thing. And I was like, wait, what? Yeah. You're in the water now. And the more I read about it, I was like,

holy crap, like water is playing. playing a key role, it seems, in a lot of sightings. I don't know what that is, but it does. It's worth looking at, I think. It's a very, I think, important part of all this that a lot of people don't understand. And you did mention the Tic Tac event.

Now, we have Commander Fravor, the pilot who first went up and intercepted this object, saying there was something in the water 50 times bigger than the Tick-Tac that he saw. And the water below was like bubbling. Something was going on. It was the water where the thing was under the water. And according to this official Navy pilot testimony, the top of the water was disturbed.

It was being disturbed in almost white froth. And one of the smaller tic tacks was hovering, zipping above, directly above this unidentified submerged object. What is that? I mean, was it controlling the Tic Tac? We also know that there was more than one Tic Tac. Again, we're seeing such a condensed small version of the video where the radar operators are saying they were tracking tons of these things. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They were a lot of radar registries were happening of multiple objects. Now, you know, I'm open to the possibility that what happened in 2004 was a top of, secret exercise where unbeknownst to the Navy, they were kept in the dark, hey, let's send in our new awesome shit and let's see how our current modern pilots react to it. Let's see if we can evade radar. Let's see if we can evade flight patterns. Let's see how, you know, a potential enemy modern fighter unit would react to our new special awesome thing and keep these guys in the dark about it because so they can we can observe them react in real time you know me know maybe that maybe it was that kind of of of a thing but you know when you've got astrophysicists

and and you know top minds analyzing the tic tic Tacs and saying these suckers are moving at speeds that no human could survive and then you got to start going like okay what's then what well and My only argument to that, Stephen, is I've had the actual radar operator tell me, hell no. Another branch of the military isn't going to test something in our airspace during training exercises. That would be preposterous. It would be so dangerous. I understand, like, the element of surprise and not knowing would be the best way to test these pilots and the Navy overall.

Like, send it in and see how they react to these things. But again, we go back to that is a. a huge threat to our pilots. Even if it was a test, do we think that they would put the pilots in harm's way just to see how they would react to something like this? I don't know. Maybe they would. Maybe they wouldn't.

I don't know. Yeah. There is a testimony that one of the Tic Tacs was approaching, approaching one of the F-18s, and the pilot was saying, it's engaging. It's engaging me. Like, basically, this thing is engaging me as a threat. that's not something to take lightly, man. This is our military.

These are our men and women in uniform who put their lives on the line, and when they feel like something is engaging them, then that's serious business. You know, like, we need to take it seriously. We can't just dismiss it as like, oh, okay, that was just, you know, a seagull. Exactly, exactly. I couldn't agree with you more, man.

Well, in terms of this new age we live in with the UFOs, Now we have Tom DeLong and to the Stars Academy working with the former A-Tip Director on looking at this stuff. And it has. It's gone mainstream like never before. Disclosure. I'd love to get your thoughts on this. Do you think that's a thing? Will the government ever admit that UFOs exist? Will they ever come forward and say what they know about it? What do you think on this word disclosure? I think the government and military have already admitted UFOs are real.

I mean, by definition, when you've got the Department of the Navy saying what you're seeing in these videos is unidentified aerial phenomenon. They're releasing statements saying these are UFOs. Now, they're not saying these are aliens. You know, they're not saying extraterrestrial biological entities or flying these things. They're saying these are UFOs. We're the military, and we don't know. So I think that's happened. Disclosure.

Now, I think what you're getting at is that we, some people think, or opine, that we are in a time where the government and the military and the people that were in the shadows are finally, say, dropping the curtain a little bit and saying like, okay, little by little, let's let the public know what's going on. You know, not all it wants, but just little by little, this slow drip of information. And, dude, I don't know. You know, I do know that if that was true, that theory was true that, yes, the government and military has known and knows. And for some reason, we need to let the public in on some of this. this is probably how they would do it. Little by little every four or five months something drops

because you can't just dump decades, if not centuries of information into the general public's lap and say, here you go, you know. It's right. It's like your body going into shock when you enter cold water. Like how would we continue with society if we knew that everything would change? I mean, religion, science,

humanity, history, everything would change if they just, boom, here's everything, you know. Only if they're alien, though. If, you know, if the end game of all of this, what you want to call disclosure, ends in alien or interdimensional, then yeah, religion, history books, a lot of things are going to be seen differently, are going to be flipped on their head a little bit. I'm of the opinion that modern, where we are now, most people are going to go, whoa, that's awesome. You're right. I think we don't give humanity credit sometimes. I don't think, I think in the 90s, if you watch a lot of sci-fi in the 90s, the way people, entertainers, writers, artists thought people would react. You see pandemonium in the streets of New York, like people running around and losing their minds. And I think,

now years later I think most people would be seen like oh sweet let me get an Instagram of this you know you know like I think minds the way of thinking has changed and honestly I think that's the key let's just pretend that I believe wholeheartedly in such a thing as alien UFOs let me entertain that I think beyond physical evidence being able to look up in the sky and seeing let's say a saucer and then the government saying yes Steve what you are indeed looking at is an alien UFO from another galaxy on top of that it's how my brain works because I think about how my brain worked when I saw my UFO and it was wonder and panic kind of like when elli at first meets ET in the cornfield that oh like that you know that's how it was but since then there is I don't I don't look back at that

memory with panic anymore. I look back with wonder and something I can't really put my finger on, to be honest with you. To Nick Pope in the episode, I said something personal, something that feels personal, but it's an emotional thought. I don't know. I know there are people like Steve Greer who talk about like the mind and emotional and spiritual connections. And if I'm just like spitballing, here, that's something that needs to be refined for that connection to really happen. There seems to be this movement as of late of CE5, I guess they call it, close encounters of the fifth kind,

where humans using whatever, consciousness, something to initiate contact with these UFOs, no matter what they are, interdimensional alien, whatever, military, using the mind to try to communicate with these things, which is, it's interesting. It's something I am just learning about and looking at, but yeah, maybe this does have a lot more to do with us than it does anything out there. I don't know. I mean, right now, it sounds like you and I are writing the next Spielberg movie. I mean, the way we discuss it, I mean, and in a lot of ways it's still science fiction,

because there's little to know science fact behind it. And as such, as a journalist, a documentary filmmaker, I have to put that stuff on the back burner and say, okay, if and when, if and when, I'll be willing to bring this back up. But until then, like, let's just focus on what we know because that's the easiest stuff to digest and observe. And I think that's what you're doing with the basement office.

So you mentioned USOs. Is there anything else you can tease to us about season two and what you're going to be looking at? Anything you'd be willing to share? Okay, okay. I won't tell you the topic this episode, but we tackle something that has no evidence, really. And we talk about it for 30 minutes in one episode. But we talk about it from like a pop culture point of view. Okay, I'll give you one clue of another episode.

Vundavath. I'm going to leave the audience with that. I love it, man. I love it. Well, Stephen, where can we find everything you're up to, man? When can we expect basement office? Basement office right now is on hold during, you know, quarantine and coronavirus lockdown for multitude of reasons when this all dies down.

So I'm not, I don't want to over-promise, but, you know, two, three weeks for now, I'm hoping F1 slips out there. But be patient, everyone, it's coming and it's awesome. Like, I love it. like season two is the bomb. I just can't wait for you guys to see it. For my stuff, like my personal stuff that I work on,

you go to stephengreenstreet.com, basically everything that I've worked on, including the basement office, is there. Awesome, man. I mean, your passion and excitement alone is what I think we need in this topic. It often lacks that because we don't have answers.

And we don't have that one case that's going to break the whole thing open, but I'm sure you could agree if one of these UFO cases is authentic and is, let's say, alien, that's enough for us to rest on is that one case. So I hope you keep doing this. It's invigorating. It's exciting. It keeps me going.

And thank you so much for joining me on Somewhere in the Skies. Of course, man. Thank you for having me. In the Skies is produced by Third Kind Productions in association with the Entertainment One podcast network. To learn more, visit Entertainment, onepodcast.com.