Somewhere in the Skies - The Needles UFO Crash with the UFO Bros

Episode Date: October 19, 2020

On episode 183 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, Ryan is joined by the real-life UFO Bros, Emmet and Joe. In this special crossover episode, the bros share some of their favorite moments from their UFO investigations and they introduce us to the little-known 2008 UFO crash in Needles, CA. After a craft came down near the Colorado River, helicopters began swarming the area. Soon, military rushed in to the small town, accompanied by unmarked vehicles with mysterious men in black suits asking questions of the witnesses. Emmet and Joe tell us about their boots-on-the-ground investigation many years later that yielded physical evidence that they dug up and had analyzed. The results were very interesting. The UFO Bros then turn the tables on Ryan and interview him as well. It's a fun, fast-paced conversation with the UFO Bros that most certainly won't be the last! Check out the UFO Bros at: www.realufobros.com Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan's Book by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Episode edited by Jane Palomera Moore Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan's bread. Welcome to Somewhere in the Skies. Today, we're just going to let loose and have a good time. And I couldn't think of two better people to do that with than the UFO bros. Joe and Emmett Hayes are two brothers from North California, who grew up looking at the stars and wondered what was out there. And now, two decades later, they are still doing the same. same thing. The brothers turn their hobby into a semi-profession, becoming two of the most insightful

and funniest investigators of the UFO phenomena. While their methods aren't always by the book, their passion for explaining the unexplainable is incontrovertible. They bring attention to the subject through brotherly humor and irreverence, while at the same time giving it the respect it deserves. So let's get to our informal and sometimes uncensored conversation with the UFO bros. I am here with the UFO bros, and today we're just going to have fun. Like, this is not going to be the super standard list of questions, answer, goodbye. We're going to have a good time, because if there's something I love about you guys, is that you take this topic of you have a seriously, but not too seriously. And I think that's what's lacking in this field so, so much. So we're going to have fun.

We're going to get a little crazy. We're going to look at some interesting stuff that you guys are in possession of that the world has not really seen yet. And I'm so excited for that. I'm, I just want to get to that. But before we do that, I want to ask you guys, I mean, this is kind of about all of us coming together, figuring out, like, you know, how we got into this stuff. So origin story for the UFO bros. How did you guys get interested? interested in UFOs. How did you come up with this idea of the UFO Bros? Yeah, let my audience know what you guys are all about. Sure. Well, it first started coming out of the same person. That was where we met. And actually, I'll tell you, we say this story over and over again, we've told a few times.

Alien autopsy. An autopsy. 1997. Yep, yep. Okay, so, you know, here we are, our normal tween age selves and we come across this video. They just, hey, it's my parrot. We come across this video and it's amazing. You know, here's this alien body on a table. They're cutting it open. They're taking its brains out. They're cataloging its organs.

And it just blew us away and really opened our mind to what's potentially out there. And so another thing I think that really sparked it was our older cousin gave us a book. It was just called Paranormal. and it was actually a beautifully downed book. I wish I still had it. And in it was everything. Lachnus monster, UFOs, Baghdad batteries, anything that's paranormal strain,

you know, that stuff was in that book. And so that was like a huge thing for us. And so we've just been following it ever since. Bob Lazar also was a huge revelation. We set that damn bird up. Shut up. Come here. There is a parrot in the room for those watching and listening.

Oh my gosh. Love it. There she is. There she is. She is gorgeous, man. She loves FaceTimey. Thank you so much. What's her name is Noxima Jackson. Okay. Okay. So Bobbazar, right? Yeah. Whoa. I know you know, because you guys covered it too, right? On your TV show. You have a regular, this is your second season, aren't you? Yeah, we're going into our second season right now. You know, I'm, you know, I'm, not like the main host, but I come on anytime there's UFO stuff, which is awesome. So cool. Jennifer Marshall, our prime investigator, she's, dude, she is no bullshit, like, top of the

line, skeptical believer, which I think is very important. Like, she wants the facts, she wants the truth, she wants to go where the evidence leads her. So, yeah, when, you know, we did Roswell, we did area 51, and of course, that had so much to do with Bob Lazar, which is one of my questions for you guys we'll get to later on. But yeah, sorry to interrupt. Please continue. Yeah, no.

I mean, it just kind of spurred from there. And then in 2016, we had some life events that brought us together as adults in a different way. And we just was like, let's go to Area 51. And we went. And it was the most beautiful time of the year. I mean, like, if you're out there at the right time, it can be gorgeous. You know, you just got to be careful when you're driving at night because it is possible to hit a cow.

I'm just, you have the pictures that are the little alien with the dead cows in these cars. So you got to be careful. So disturbing, I don't know. Went to Roswell, and then we went to Aurora, Texas, and then we went to needles, and then we went to Area 50 phone. I mean, we just spent so much time going there.

And that I think is really what we do, because some people, you know, they research, and we need it. Some people. Some people. It's a different thing to actually go and explore it and find the Roswell crash site and find that monument out there in the middle of a field. It's like a needle in a haystack finding that and then finding what the hell is at Area 51. I think we moon the guards in our special, by the way. Did you really?

Yeah, we did. Oh, well, hey, let's, while we're at it, let's talk about that. I mean, you guys are probably most well known now as being national television stars. So tell us about this special on travel channels. Joe, what did you think about it, brother? Because I know, Emmett, you're kind of, you're like the big believer, right? He's the talker and you're the guy who just is like, you know,

always so stoic, which I liked in the special. So, yeah, give it to me. Like, how did the special come about? And what was it like filming that? Oh, my God. So the special, we, me and Emmett just started doing our normal podcasting. We just put a couple videos up on our channels. and then we just started getting phone calls of just production companies wanting to,

hey, you guys want to do a show about aliens. We're like, yeah. So we started doing the pre-production stuff, pilot stuff, and then it just happened. It was really quick and surprising. It's awesome. How about you, Emmett? Like, what was it like getting contacted by a TV network and being like, we want you to go out and look at it.

the UFO topic. I'm still like in awe that it happened to me. Like it was something I never really saw coming. But man, yeah. Like when you got a TV network behind you, you're, the resources are amazing. So yeah. I mean, what, yeah. Well, first of all, I just wanted to say like, I don't, I bet I imagine feel this way. The whole time, I just kept thinking, I'm really not supposed to be here. Like, I'm so lucky to be here to be part like, you know, you mind yourself out of every minute. You're like, I'm not supposed to be here. But, oh my gosh, with the resources of travel and the showrunners and all the people that really are the stars as far as I'm concerned. Because Joe and I, you know, we talk and we do what we do.

But these people, they assembled that in less than two months from start to finish. I don't know how they did it. They were literally editing while we were going to different shoots and stuff and interviews and that sort of thing. But it was great to be able to get involved with people that are, making more waves in this topic, bringing in Bob Bazaar, Jeremy Corbell, who has done a phenomenal job of covering this topic in ways it's really connecting with people. And that was kind of our whole premise was, Mysterious is great. But what do you like the normal people think? So going to Area 51 was the perfect opportunity. You know, we interviewed some great people. We interviewed the guy that

wanted to fornicate with the alien. We interviewed the guy from Boston. that was pissed off that all of the, you know, secrets are covered up. And that's so cool because that's on our level. You know, we just talk to people about it. And that's kind of always been our approach. And I think that that just lined up well with Area 51. We were just in the right place, the right time for it. But it was a blast.

I mean, you know, getting to be in the RV, meeting Rick Doty, hanging out with Jeremy. It was great, man. It was just such a huge moment to just absorb everything about our little world of UFOs and our community and just be in it. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Yeah.

And to be paid for it. You're like, what? Yeah, what? Like, that's your job? It's insane. Wait, I'm getting money for this? What I thought was really cool, too, is like, you guys came right at the peak of interest, both in Area 51 and UFOs.

I mean, look at all this stuff we have with, you know, the Pentagon UFO program. And I know on our show, we looked at these stunning, what I think are stunning similarities. between what Bob Lazar was saying back in the 80s of how these craft worked. You know, they weren't like the saucer kind of floating and hovering like we see in the 50s movies. You know, it was craft belly up and then like gets pulled instead of push.

Yeah, yeah. So Lazar was saying this shit back in the 80s. And then Jennifer and I are looking at the current videos, you know, the Tick-Tac, the gimbal, the Go-Fest. and you look at one of those, I believe it was the gimbal video. Yeah. And what did that craft do? Right at the end of the video that we see?

Exactly, brother. And the guy even says it rotated. And that gave me chills, I think, when I made that connection in our show. And I can't pretend to be the first. Like Jeremy's been saying it for a long time. Other people noticed. They're like, huh, well, Lazar said back then, it's kind of true now. So what do you guys think?

Does that lend credence to his story? and I guess the overall question, what do you guys think? Do you believe Bob? I'd love to get both of your opinions on it. I've got mine for damn sure. I believe Bob. What about you, Joe? Yeah, I believe Bob. I definitely believe Bob 100%. Yeah. I think the thing with Bob Lizard that some people tend to focus on are some of his little quirky sort of side expeditions and side businesses that he's had. Like working at a brothel? But to be honest with you, if I was to be honest with you, if I was to, to bring somebody into an extremely super secretive black project. I would look for somebody who is easily discredited, discreditable.

Is that a word? Discreditable? Discreditable. Discreditable. And he's the perfect person for that. And he's also got, he's also, you know, a physicist, and he thinks outside the box. And that's the kind of person I think you'd want to look at an exotic technology. You wouldn't want to bring the guy necessarily, you know, writing the papers and he's the book smart guy.

and because I think there's one thing that Bob was able to do was technical application, actually build the things and touched the he was a hands-on guy. Right. I don't want to say anything, but you got to drizzle on your drip of your chin there. Yum. Flavor saver. Oh.

What are you drinking, man? What is that? That looks so good. Sitting there talking to me. So we are having. He's ready to do. A cold brew with light sweet cream and some pumpkin phone, no talking.

With a parrot. It's our favorite. I love it. I love it. I'm like, of course I have to have a parrot. And of course it has to be rainbow parrot. I mean, like, can I get a more inconspicuous bird? I don't know.

I love her. She's my TV bird. I got her after Storming Area 51. Oh, that's awesome. What a good permanent souvenir, right, to remember. Right. Yeah. I love her.

She's my friend. I guess, yeah. I'm with you guys. Like, I must admit, I, Here's my sort of passive answer, and I get shit for saying this a lot by the UFO community. But I've been vocal about my thoughts on Bob Lazar ever since I met him. I think in 2000, it was like 2011 or 2012. He was speaking at the International UFO Congress.

And he hadn't really come forward for a really long time. And the only thing that really brought him out to talk about it was George Knapp. You know, the guy who broke was our story originally. And we got him up on the stage. and had him do like a Q&A and go through everything. And I got to mic and put the microphone on him. So I'm like... What does he smell like?

Ooh, he smells, he smells like... Science? He smells like... Science and Rocket Fuel. If you've ever seen it. It's got a little pungent sourness to it. No, no, no, no. Nice little metallicness.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he seems like the kind of guy who wears old spice to me. So yeah, I think I smelled a little bit of like the Fuji scented one or something like that. But, oh, no, man. I mean, putting the mic on him, getting to talk to him for a few minutes. Like, he just seems like such a down-to-earth, genuine dude. And here's where I land on it all. I firmly believe Bob Lazar did what he said he did, worked where he said he worked,

and saw what he says he saw. But what that is is an entirely different story. I mean, this could have been part of some big disinformation campaign, which is part of another individual who you guys spoke to you that I want to talk to you about, maybe in a little bit. But I believe Bob, I'm with you guys. I'm skeptical of some parts of his story, but look, no one... Do I believe in everything?

No. Did he have an advanced degree? Probably not. Anybody who's ever, like, put in a job on a resume, it might have been like, I was the top executive, but you know, you just pump it up a little bit. Right. And frankly, some people can carry the knowledge and application

to be at a PhD level, just not have the degree. So, I mean, you know, just whatever the words, I just put the words out, the people can determine what the thing is just the words. The tremendous words, the tremendous. We have the most big, we have the most medalist saucers. Terrific.

My audience, my audience, My audience is going to love this part, for sure. For sure. Especially this week, you know, or what do we? We got something going on in the United States in a couple weeks. We won't go there, but... Where are we on again? Yeah, what is happening?

What is happening? But, yeah, I kind of hogged the first couple questions there. I don't know if you guys wanted to take the lead or I've got plenty for you. But, yeah, if there's anything you need me to spill the beans on, I'm here, too. So Joe had a question. When do you think you'll reach puberty? Um, what? Hey, look, look, guys, I can't, I can't grow the beautiful facial hair you have, but,

dude, this is two months of growth. This is two months? Is it really? You look great, dude, you look like a guy that could be on TV. You know what I mean? You're talking to him or me? You, you should be on TV. Oh, thank you.

Thank you. You have the face for it, man. Definitely. I just tell my thing. I'm like, look at this guy. He's so young. I wonder how old he is. I'm sorry.

Bro, you're such a dick. I'm taking it as a compliment. I'm taking it as a compliment. Yeah, I just take it. Some of us, some of us go through stages of life later than others, but I'll get that. I'll probably,

I'll probably solve the UFO mystery before I go through puberty. But that's all other. You're going to be like 80 and you're going to look. Oh, yeah, I'm going to ask you a question. Oh, God, please go, go, go. Out of any of your investigations and research, is there one piece of information maybe that you could share with us,

possibly you haven't shared with somebody else or you haven't talked about, maybe even a developing theory? Or I just want to know, I just like you know that. Absolutely. You know. Yep. For me, it goes back to the pilot episode of the Mysteries Dakota television show where Jennifer and I went to Roswell, like you guys did.

And look, when I got approached for this television show and they said, we want to do a UFO show. I'm like, that's so cool. Yeah, if it ever happens, let me know. But you know that game. Like all these producers and people say they want to make these shows and then it never happens. And you're waiting months and months and months.

But, um... Is your hair followed out minded, man? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm just like waiting by the phone and making... Lattees at my coffee shop and like miserable with my life. And then I get the phone call. And I'm like, wow, they actually made it happen. They got a pilot like a one hour special.

And then they said they wanted to do Roswell. And right there, man, like I was Roswell as Roswell. It's awesome. But I also was like, ah, really? Like this, we're going, we're doing the case that everyone's covered. Everyone knows every play by play of the events. So I told them I'm like, yeah, absolutely, but we have to do something new. And we have to do something special and bring new evidence or like theories to the table.

And I think we did. I thought we came up with some really cool stuff, whether it was the Ramey memo that we looked at. You know, the guy who had that memo during the press conference and what it might have said. Have you gotten any further on that? We're still analyzing the memo. It's so hard, man. Like we've, you know what? I'm going to tell you secret.

Oh, yeah. I've been playing around with it on FaceTune because you can take the lines and bend them. FaceTune, you know, you can do things. Right. But you can, if you manipulate the lines, I was starting to kind of get some, like, you know. And what I'm getting at is I want to solve that shit. You know, you're like, let's solve some shit. I think we got to, you know, I want to know what you know about that, you know.

Yeah. I mean, why can't, you know, like, who would be taking it to? I want to know. I want to know. Yeah, I mean, in the show, we... Shut the damn bird up. Sorry. She's got a lot to say about Roswell, man.

We all do. We had Ben Hanson look at it. You know, former FBI agent and, you know, analyst and paranormal researcher. And I thought he did an incredible job. But we also have, we're having it looked at by several other independent photo analysis. and stuff like that. But not even the memo for me. We looked at a metal that was found out there.

We had it tested at an aerospace lab. And that came from Frank Kimbler, this dude who lives out in Roswell. And he's been digging out in the desert for like years now, looking for any evidence of a craft that crash. And, you know, being the Earth scientist and geologist he is, he made shit happen. And he found what he believes,

that you've been to, that I've been to, which was the actual impact site where the craft supposedly came down. And he found medals out there. And we were like, holy shit, okay? He also found buttons, military-grade buttons that would be on army outfits. Yeah, because you need tons of army people

to pick up a weather balloon, of course. Of course, yeah, let's have hundreds of officers out there on hands and knees picking up a weapon. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, the fact that he found medals and the fact that he found military buttons from the 40s, you know, that says a lot. Something crashed there in the 40s out there because it was so remote, no trash, nothing out there, yet he found these metals.

So we had them tested at an aerospace lab in California. And, you know, we go about it in the special of like, yeah, it was definitely the metal was not alien in the sense that it was extraterrestrial. but but but we were really excited to find out that the alloys within the metal the composition makeup everything about this metal that he found out there was what we're using today in 2020 and it's being used on our most sophisticated aerospace shuttles and missions and stuff like that today by evan musk by by people like that on their spacecraft so what the hell was that metal doing out in the desert in the 40s.

I can't tell you. How big is the metal piece? He's got a bunch of them. I mean, the one we had... The biggest. The biggest one I saw was probably about... And I know this doesn't give much context. Maybe like three inches long, an inch wide.

So... Joe, you know about three inches, right? Can you show us? I know you have a pretty good eyeball on it. How about... You're out of control. I hope you don't mind me jumping in on the metal. Yeah.

We found a piece of metal. We're going to talk about that, right? Because... Yes, we are. Yeah. The things that you just said apply to this piece of metal, because we had a test. Ooh, good tease, brother. Yeah, I will definitely get there.

I'm going to end on my Roswell banter or blabbering here with... It wasn't even the physical evidence, to be honest, that really... captured my attention in the research. It was actually somebody who came up to us while we were, you know, cameras were off. We were getting ready to go to our next location. And this local in Roswell came up. And of course, he's like, what are you guys doing? What are you filming? And like, you know, something about Roswell. He's like, is it the crash? We're like, yeah. He's like, of course. Of course it is. Because that's all that happens in Roswell. That's what they're known for. Like two miles long.

Right. Yeah. The craft didn't even have a decency to actually crash in Roswell. That's just where they're... Oh, man. Even the aliens were like, right? Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Even the aliens were like, we're going to crack. We're not going to crash in Roswell. Yeah. We're just going to keep on. Keep on, keep it on. So, oh, yeah. So this dude comes up to us and he's like, so you know what really happened, right?

Right. And we're like, I mean, that's what we're trying to figure out. You know, we've heard everything from weather balloons to Project Mogul to, you know, an alien spacecraft. And he was like, no, nope. And we're like, what do you mean? And he's like, look, this is a small town. Everyone knows someone that was involved with this crash. Everybody in the town, either related to or knew of someone. And he said his grandfather was working at the Roswell. Army Airfield at the time. And he told this guy that told us,

and you guys might have heard this theory already, but it's one that I find really interesting. He said his way of putting it is, there were bodies, there was a craft, it was human, and it was children. Oh, Russian children. Either Russian, German, Japanese, somebody or American.

That's what he told us. He told us that these were either mentally disabled or physically disabled children who the government snatched up. These kids were left at, you know, orphanages. They were castouts. They, nobody wanted these children. He says that they put these kids up in like a high altitude balloon or craft. Because you got to think 40s.

Like this is the early, early days of looking at space exploration. and breaking the chains of gravity and getting up there into the atmosphere. And they wanted to see how long these kids could survive going up there before anything happened. All right, kids. You're going to go up.

You're going to see some stars. Damn. Isn't that so fucked up? And like, that's what this guy told me. And he said, why do you think there was a cover up? Like, we were kidnapping kids putting them up there and they were dying at alarming rates

I have never heard of that. So that blew my mind. I heard about, sorry, just to check, I heard about like Russians or something that they like, they sent, you know, like he did the pejoria or whatever or something like that, but not exactly what you're saying. Peorgia. Yeah, I understand.

Peorgia. Yeah, I mean, again, like I said, it's not the, it's not the first time this theory has been brought forward. But the fact that this guy came up to me and told this and other residents in Roswell said this and researchers like Nick Redfern have written about this in the past he believes it could have been Japanese who sent something over to spy on us and it crashed. Look, the possibilities are endless and aliens are still on the table too. But that for me kind of opened the doors wide open. And we didn't cover it in the TV show because it was

really dark and depressing. They just didn't want to cover that. Yeah, I would. You know, they don't want to cover it yet. But I will say, you know, we're not done looking at Roswell on the TV show. I'll tell you this. If that's what happened, that's like a, that's like a worse story than aliens crashing, frankly. Exactly. That's what I see.

That worse are like more like explosive or whatever. I don't know, especially nowadays, it's like, yeah, there's anything or whatever. But I think that's interesting. I love Roswell. I love the hieroglyphics. I love when people are describing the material. and I just like, so you're like the Roswell guy. You're our Roswell guy.

Well, there you go too, man. Hieroglyphics. You bring up a really good point. Back in the 40s and stuff, like we, people didn't know how to look at Russian writing or Japanese writing and whatnot at the time, you know, just everyday people in Roswell, New Mexico. I doubt it. Maybe the military. Yeah, exactly.

So like if this rancher is the first to have found this stuff and, um, and whatnot, I can't say he didn't know Japanese or Russian or anything, but maybe it's possible he mistook another language written on these pieces or whatnot and thought it was hieroglyphics, as he stated, or that Jesse Marcel Sr. showed his son that it was hieroglyphics. Who knows? Who knows? One more thing on Roswell with the hieroglyphics, he can make me think about, did you hear about a toy factory creating like scotch tape with patterns on it? Did you hear about this? Oh yeah, yeah. That's definitely. I've seen that special.

I've hunted for that tape. I've looked everywhere to see if I could find just even like if it, you know, like it has the diamonds and the clovers and the heart. That's supposed to be what was on it. But, Braswell, man, that's a whole episode, bro. I mean, you know that. It's a whole series. Yeah.

I mean, and you guys know you too. You've investigated it. And every time you think you have an answer, like something creeps in and makes you go a different route. So, but that's what UFO investigation is. and you guys know that more than anyone. You've done more boots on the ground than I have personally. I'd like to get your guys' thoughts on this case that not a lot of people know about, and I hope you can share some of it with us.

I know you're under NDAs for certain things and this and that, but Needles, California. This is a case that caught my attention, and I've been looking into a lot, but I want to get it from you guys. This is probably one of the most recent, quote-unquote, UFO crashes in history right now. So tell us a little about Needles, what you've heard about the case and about going there. You guys actually went out to look for stuff.

So is there anything you could share with my audience? You know, to be honest with you, nobody has investigated Needles, California in a long time. And so Joe and I, just to give you some background, it was May 14, 2008. It's not that long ago, 12 years. About 2 a.m., the residents of Needles, California, which by the way is like in the taint of California, it's like where California and Nevada, and like there's like a little,

the residents saw this turquoise light screeched across the sky, right? And then it came down, crashed into the banks of the Colorado River. This was so bright, it lit up the entire town of Needles. And they were calling the local radio station that night to report it.

talk about it, tell people about it. A man named Frank Costigan, who has since passed, was one of the people that took those calls. So what we did is we started there. We started with Frank Costigan, who gave us so much information about what happened in 2008. So that night, after it crashed into the banks of the Colorado River, this UFO, this, who knows, it wasn't a meteor, it was definitely a vehicle of some sort, primarily because a, a squadron of helicopters were following it as it crashed. And a sky crane came in, which is like a big helicopter that can lift really heavy stuff, comes in, picks up the object right into the sky, and they fly off.

That morning, the town was overrun with seemingly scientists, possible people affiliated with the Army or the Navy, the Inverland of the town. Men in Black. Oh, wow. They asked lots of questions. There was literally lines of cars coming into Needles, California. It was unlike anything they had ever seen. Because it's really a quiet place.

They just love their trailers and their bonfires and whatever they do there. By Chinese food, we mean it's really bad. Not that there's Chinese people there. I just wanted to point that out. They have bad Chinese food. Okay. Is there bad Chinese food? food, let's be honest. Yes, because when it's 115 degrees and you're eating some very hot

soup-powered pork. I did think about that. That just made my stomach turn. Yeah. You're awful at MSG, and then you're like, the water's not working. You guys don't carry Gatorade. Help. Oh, my God. I'm thinking of Anchorman. Milk was a bad choice. Yes, exactly. Oh, man. So anyway. Just one memories, Joe and I, you know, popping here and there. Yeah. So how mysterious. There was a mental, there was a mental. There was a man named Bob on the river, okay, who was a man that was boating that night.

Wait, he says his name is Bob? Bob. Yeah, what did he know his last name was? Was it up and down the water? Oh. But he was fishing on the banks of Colorado River. Go ahead, Joe. And we saw it fly in.

He saw it flying. So we went and interviewed Frank Costigan. He gave us contact information with the local geologist and land surveyor. So we could get an idea of approximately where the same crashed in the banks car out of river. And we went out there with our metal detectors and our EM detectors and we found something there. And we've not ever really shown this, especially to somebody where you're at on TV. Yeah, yeah. So many followers.

people here and there, but we actually dug down a couple feet and pulled this incredible piece of metal out of the ground. And it's a really pretty big piece of metal. You want to see it? Ah, yeah, if you guys are willing to share that, are you allowed to? I don't care what they're going to do. Okay. Okay. Yeah, let's see. If you guys are willing, this is a, uh, somewhere in the sky's UFO Bros exclusive. I would love to see. Ashtonaut John Kelly saw this piece of metal. And he says because of the tinting on it, he thinks this is very much something that has been to space. So I'm going to show you the whole piece in its entirety. Hey guys, Ryan dropping in right here to state the obvious.

There are some references right here and throughout this interview that referenced something we're looking at. Head on over to the Ryan Sprigg YouTube channel if you want to watch the video version of this interview, especially with the next part. where we get to see this debris from a possible down to UFO. Thanks as always for listening, watching, and now back to the interview. Oh, wow. That's huge. But when you look at it, it's just like, okay, it's a piece of metal.

But upon further inspection, you'll start to end this, look, there's this weird bubbling that has occurred in the metal, which suggests that something was heated extremely quickly, faster than able to char. The other thing, too, is you can see the way that this has come off. It looks as though it has literally exploded off something.

But this is, if you look at this side here, there is a strange like yellow tinting to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Backside, there's some discoloration and it looks like oxidation. We have this. It hasn't rested.

It has not rusted. It came right out of the ground. Oh, wow. Interesting. We had it analyzed. and the same thing you said, man, this is aerospace ready material and that it was designed to withstand a tremendous amount of pressure, the type of metal it is. And so it is not a piece of, like, you know, a license plate or a piece of aluminum off a roof or something like that. This is something that has been through a traumatic event.

And this was right in the coordinates of the needles crashing on the banks of Colorado River. Wow. So it's super thin, very strong. Dude, it looks identical to our metals. I'm not kidding. Even the, like you said, the bubbling that we're seeing there, where it looks like it was like burned or impacted, ours had the same thing.

And this was like a solid steel piece that you, You could not bend. You could not break nothing. Yet it had those really interesting rivets in it and bubbling. Like you said, like something very traumatic had happened. Wow. It is strikingly similar to our medals.

There's something to be said about that. What do you guys know? What do you think it is? That was buried like four to five feet down. That was okay. Every time you say that story, it gets a foot deeper. It was like two to four feet down. It was in the core of it.

core of the earth. We dunked it China. Yeah. But here's my, Joe, what do you think? Because I think that I don't necessarily know that it's actually terrestrial, but I really do think that whatever crashed in needles, this

could really truly be a piece of it. That's what I truly believe. We had to analyze. We analyzed its properties. We had to take it around it. And from the results, it's something's been in the space. The yellowing on it is from radiation that they say. Oh, wow.

That's saying something, yeah. Being in space, this creates this sort of yellow tint. Oh, yellow coating tint, yeah. We've actually even had skeptics look at it, and they still say, this is weird. So we can truly say that this is a strange object off of something that suffered a traumatic event. And quite possibly was in space. I really do think that this is possibly a piece of what crashed, because it sounds to me, Like potentially, if needles wasn't extraterrestrial, that it definitely was an advanced,

potentially government experimental craft of some sort, which could explain this sort of launched-grade alloy. So how you like them apples there, Ryan? Do you like our piano, right? You should go on a trip with us sometime. You actually probably might kill us. That'd be the funniest shit in the world. Oh, my God.

The poor son guy in the back of the RV and, and, and. He was like, you're just like, how do you guys, how are you still talking? It's been 12 hours. Yeah. Oh, man. I don't know. It's the passion that keeps a good. I was all, I was all.

Yeah, it was the passion. I was all. So how long did you guys record? He's like, well, like about 40 minutes after you guys, we left, we just stopped because he just kept talking and talking. Ah, man. That is. Well, I think that's what this is about too, right, Ryan? Like, it's supposed to be fun.

Absolutely. I try to remind people, yeah, this is a serious topic. Like, we're talking about possible kidnapping of kids by the U.S. government and killing them at a, like a UFO crash. And also like the potential of alien life visiting our planet. It is a big thing. But come on. Like, we talk about the weirdest shit out there. And if we can't laugh about it every now and again, you're going to be miserable, miserable, miserable.

Just to let you know that that, that, Nick Pope, that was him letting go. That was his having a good time. Let's talk about that. He didn't get anything that I was doing. I was doing the Donald Trump water bottle drink. He was like, what? What happened?

Look, what was it like? He was a very thoughtful man. Yeah. Oh, he actually, he was a blast. And he went along with it perfectly. Yeah, he did. I was able to really let go. And by that he means like unbuttoned the top button of his shirt.

Yeah. But no, he was great. Definitely great. And I would like to have him on again. Nick Pope was the former UFO desk worker for the MOD in England and their UFO project. And you should know that by now to my audience. But yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So what did he have to say? Anything really compelling that he brought forward with you guys? My favorite part of the whole show is we ask him, we say, if there is a revelation about UFOs and extraterrestrials, this month, potentially, what would the president say to the people? Walk us through that moment, and he does. He does. And for a minute, he actually got us silent.

We were like, yeah. It just happened, bro, didn't happen. Yeah. It felt like, wait, is this happen? Are you doing disclosure now? Like, is this it? Just do it. Yeah.

He did really good. He was like, the president will walk out. I can't really do anything anymore. But that was my favorite part. You know, the guy is deep into what's going on over. He's on talking about Tucker Carlson. I know how much you watch Tucker Carlson all the time doing. I know you love Tucker Carlson, don't you run.

Oh, huge, huge fan of Mr. Carlson. Hey, look, I'm pretty vocal about my political. leanings and everything. But, you know, I try to keep it out as much as I can. Always. But, you know, it's hard because this is a political issue, UFOs. You know, we can all see. I didn't mean to bring up politics.

Well, I did, but I didn't. Like, in a big way. But hey, look, if there's anything I could say about Tucker Carlson, you know, besides him as a person, he is taking this thing more serious than any news network, any news anchor. And he's doing a really good job at it. He's a smart guy. There's no getting around that.

Tucker Carlson is a very smart guy. There are, there's so much I don't agree with him on in the world. But hey, if he's going to be the one to get this thing out to the forefront, I am appreciative of that. I just want it out. You know what I mean? I just want it. I don't care who does it. Just put it out.

Just get it out. And that's how I feel being just apolitical. And I was teasing you a little bit, but just being a political about it. I don't care if the Pope, I don't. care. I just, I want to know so that we can, I don't know, what are we going to do after all this is over? What are we have to be going to do? We're going to have to like take up like basket weaving or something. I don't know. Underwater basket weaving. Underwater. Yes. Got to put that caveat on. Well, hey, I want to know what you guys think. While we're on the topic of like disclosure and, you know,

I guess U.S. politics, we have a major election coming up in a couple weeks. and, you know, no matter which way it goes, you know, Trump has kind of given us his thoughts and whatnot on the UFO topic. But Biden has said nothing. He's never really talked about it. But do you think with a new administration, things could change in terms of the UFO disclosure? If we have a different administration full of different people who may have some interest in this topic, does it matter? Does it even matter if Trump is there or Biden is there? Will anything change with the overall disclosure of UFOs in your guys' opinions? I think that things are so chaotic right now.

Now it would be probably the most likely time that something could get out. I don't know what would happen if Biden got in. Like you said, he hasn't said anything. But what if he gets in, but then he does what was the former, which was just kind of keep... Yes, he will. ...pushing it along kind of thing. I'm actually surprised Trump hasn't said anything yet to be.

I mean, the guy's like, you know. I mean, why wouldn't buy, I mean, the taste of why wouldn't buy them? You know, they're little tiny little beings and they'd smell their head and as he sits there with them, you know? I mean, those are some creepy videos, man.

Why wouldn't you know? I don't care who you vote for. Like, them some creepy videos for sure. He's just, he just said. man. We've literally alienated 100% of our audience already, and I think that's amazing. It's all about fun. And especially right now, man, like, I think they're all crazy, okay?

All of them. Every single politician line, they're all, they're all, is equally not truthful. So let's just get that out. So you can do whatever you want to do with whoever you want. But like you said, let's get the info out. Hopefully we get it. Well, okay. So one of your guests is probably the most controversial person in uphology from years past and even up until today. And I was really surprised to see you guys get him on and chat with this guy.

And that is Rick Doty, the professional disinformation agent within ufology working for the U.S. Air Force and OSI and all these other things. I don't even want to list all his credentials because they scare me. But what was it like, right? What was that like, guys? Honestly, he's a really great guy. He seems nice. Yeah. That's the problem.

He's funny. Well, yeah, you know, that's actually very true, you know. I think the point is, in terms of interviewing Rick Doty, is whether you like it or not, he has a story. And sometimes it's off-putting because, you know, of his past and what he did, like you were saying, being a disinformation agent. But you got to talk. just talk to him yourself. You have to, you know, you can't really just hear what other people are just saying. You got to really kind of ask them, why did you have to do that? What did that entail? What are you doing now? You know, what about this, this and this? We just ask. You know, we don't

be around the bush. And so that was really why we continued to interview Rick Doty. We only really got a chance to talk to him a little bit about Area 51. And so we wanted to further our conversation, our curiosity. I understand what you're saying, you know, potentially giving a platform to maybe a disinformation person. But I think the larger picture of what we do here is people have to pick and choose what they think is the most accurate. Rick Doty, people could listen to him and go, that guy's totally full of shit.

And that's fine with me. That's fine with it. Because, you know, ultimately there's a story and he shares one with us. And people, you know, it's an interesting story. Oh, it's a very interesting story. I never told anybody before. And it's interesting. And I believe him.

You know what? I believe him, bro. And I believe him. Okay. You guys will have to, in my audience, go watch or listen to that interview to hear that story. I obviously don't want to give it away here. But you're right. He is a storyteller.

And that's what worries a lot of people and also captures a lot of people's attention who might not know about what he's done in the past. And again, for anyone who doesn't know, this gentleman, he's probably best. known for a disinformation campaign he did back in the 80s with a gentleman named Paul Benowitz who was reporting UFOs over Curtin Air Force Base and went straight up to the base kind of like knocked on the proverbial front door and said, yo, there's UFOs over your base. And also like, I'm getting these weird transmissions on my radios back home. And I think it's an alien invasion. And meanwhile, the Air Force base is like, holy shit.

He, like, cracked our secret spy codes and whatnot and, like, frequencies. This is a huge national security breach. And this dude is able to, like, hear this and experience in this. Like, that's fucked up. We got to, like, do something. And when he came to them and said, it's aliens, they ran with it. They were like, okay, sure. Totally, right?

It's aliens. They, like, get into it. They fed him. And Rick Doty was the gentleman who they hired to go to this guy and keep. Keep it going. Keep telling him there's an alien invasion coming. They would break into his home, him and these other spooks, and when he wasn't home and like move shit in his apartment or his house. And just so he would become paranoid or think he was crazy. And they just kept doing this and driving it into this dude's brain that there was a pending alien invasion and the government knew about it.

And until he went mad and his family had to put him in a mental institution. And this is all proven. and documented. And Rick Doty, the gentleman you interviewed, was the one who drove this guy crazy for the U.S. You have to talk to him about it, though. Crazy. Very interesting.

He has his side of the story, right? Well, it's interesting when you talk about orders from the Army or what I don't remember, I actually remember exactly what I think it was Army, right, Joe? Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know everything about Rick Doty, but he explains that when you're under orders there are certain things you have to do.

And I found that to be, interesting because if you are how does that work ryan if you're like a soldier and you're told to do something what do you do you do it and i get that like and and dote has said that in the past he said i was doing my job and this is for national security and i was you know paid to do this and like of course i'm going to do what i'm told to do and but frankly who's to say he's not still doing that job either exactly you know exactly yeah yeah You know, we just got some interesting stories and things to say. So that would be why we brought them on.

There's such a weird thing nowadays, I think, in the media. And whether it's like YouTube or mainstream media or anything in between, of giving certain people platforms. And this sort of cancel culture we live in is, no, if you're interviewing them or talking about them, you're automatically giving them more exposure. And to an extent, I understand that. but I also think it's important to understand why someone feels the way they feel or did the things they did and let the listen to the point.

So I understand why you guys did it. It was very interesting. And look, his story's still being written. He's still in there. I mean, he's on Facebook every two seconds, like liking my posts and other UFO researchers like yourself interacting with us. And it's weird. It's weird. knowing that like the poster child of disinformation within you follow the guy from mirageman on the cover of mirageman yeah he's clicking like on like my posts and whatnot and your guy's post it's weird what a weird digital age we live in but um right i know where should we go from here guys

well i think is there any questions show that you have for ryan because you know we got we got our dual show here uh you know two worlds colliding it's awesome I think we drive well. It's fine. We definitely got to do this again for sure. Oh my God. I just want to know what's for you. One of many. Yeah.

We got to let people know about Ryan's book, which is getting, I think, not just national, but worldwide attention on major news outlets. And I think were you in Australia or something? I did an interview out of Australia about a month ago. Well, first of all, thank you. Thank you for those very important. I know everything. But yeah, man, I came out with a second edition of my book, which you can see right there.

That's shameless promotion, if I've ever seen. No, I would read it, but I don't read books. That's totally fair. But no, thank you for mentioning the book. It's the second edition. I always said, like, if I'm going to buy a second edition of a book, there needs to be a reason. You know, unless it's college and you're buying, like, textbooks that you're forced to buy. why would you want to read a second edition of a book?

So I went in, dude, and I wrote 80,000 new words. It's a whole new book. It's exhausting. It really was. It's amazing. It was really rewarding. The book is all about people who've seen UFOs experienced abductions. Their thoughts and theories on them.

And it's more about the people having the experiences than like, how big was the craft, when did it happen? I wanted to get to know. Which is great. Yeah. We're missing that. Yeah, we need both. We need both. Because we're definitely all very focused on like what's going on and, you know,

and, you know, the evidence and, you know, we want us vindication and that's what. But there are people that are still dealing with this or have dealt with it. They haven't even said anything or they haven't had the chance to get it out. And now is a good time because now, you know, you don't have to necessarily be a crazy person, quote unquote, you know, to have a UFO experience. It's different, different time. That's what's great about the book. Yeah, thank you.

I appreciate that. And I think you're right, man. Like, I think now is the time where the world is embracing UFOs, unlike ever before. And that has a lot to do with these articles that came out in the New York Times and CNN, Fox, whatever, covering the topic in a serious manner when they didn't before. And it's empowered people. So I thought, what better time to come out with a new version of the book with new UFO cases, following up with everyone in the 2016 edition of the book, to see, If their events have continued, that's another thing. We hear about UFO sightings, whether on the news or in person.

And then that's kind of it. We never hear about it again. But look, did it continue? Did these people see other things? Has the story changed at all? Like I wanted to know. So I followed up with everyone and then brought new cases forward. And including one of the dudes who was part of the Navy Tick-Tick-TUFO event.

He was the first person to track the things on radar, send out the intercept to the pilots. and ushered in this whole new era of UFO disclosure when it comes to the military. And look, that affected his life in many ways. So I wrote a whole new chapter on that. Like, I can't tell you guys how rewarding it is to like you. Oh, man, I want to write a book someday, but I don't have the focus. I get it.

I totally get it, man. I'm like, I'm going to write a book. I'll read it to you. Oh, wait, hold on. We'll go chapter by chapter. When is it? I'll read it to you at bedtime. How does that sound, man?

Remember popcorn? We'll be like, read a paragraph. Popcorn Joe. Do you remember popcorn? No. Remember that? That was when the class. Oh, yeah.

Remember? You had to go through the class and then you would say popcorn and then you would call on your friend in the class and then it was their turn to read. Oh. Oh, that sounds cool. Nice. So I'll be like, and Ryan went down the slide head first. Popcorn Joe. And then he can, you know what I mean?

Yeah. And it's a fuck face and a fuck face of the fuck face. in it. I hope you don't mind explicit word. No, we are no stranger to that on summer. I hope you don't mind

marketing your podcast. We say it. I know. I just got one of my videos on YouTube restricted, age restricted, and I'm still trying to figure out why.

I don't know if it was like a fluke or what, but I'm like going through. I'm like, what the hell is so profane or you needed to be censored in this? but we're like cracking down.

I know. I know. I know they really are. I'm afraid that the UFO cracker, sorry, the conspiracy crackdown. I don't have to reach into our community where we're really trying to get real information out. Yeah. You never know. They could be like any conspiracy at all.

You know, where is this going to lead to, you know? Yeah. It's hard. It's hard. I know like the whole QAnon thing is being censored on all social media platforms right now. Which, you know, I struggle with censorship, for sure. sure, but if it's dangerous and it's affecting the real world in bad ways, like something like shooting up a pizza shop during Pizza Gate or like drinking bleach to cure the coronavirus,

those are real world. That's a great one. It's a tremendous one. I just want to let you know that I was all part of that. Drink the bleach. You'll be wonderful. Holy shit. That is spot odd.

I can't believe that. But you're right. Tell me about it. Right. Like when is it going to bleed over into euthology and the conspiracies that we cover? I fear that. Maybe we won't see as much UFO content on these platforms any longer. Just have to be cautious, I guess, of keywords and description.

Got me careful. You know, like, I don't put anything about it is. I do know, though, like, we've had a blast with you in this interview. It's not even an interview. It's like a chat. Yeah, this is so great. I think this is how most people should talk about UFOs. Yeah.

So tell me about your PhD. you know, we don't have any PhDs in portion. Fuck that shit. We are going to have to wrap up for R& because my AirPods are dying. Oh my God, that's totally fine. We are going to have plenty of more opportunities to do this. Oh, yeah, dude. We only scratched the surface today, at least on my head.

I know we could do this for hours, but no, this has been awesome. So I guess for my audience, before you guys go, where can we find you and everything you're up to? what comes next for the UFO Bros? Well, our website, real UFO Bros.com. We're on all things, social media at Real UFO Bros. So it's just the same handle. And on our podcast is called Probecast. So you've got to search in UFO Bros. Probcast.

And, you know, it's slightly, you know, a different approach, as Ryan said earlier. But most people enjoy, I think, our show, we get downloaded. So check it out. Guys, this has been so much fun on my end. Thank you. I'm so happy we finally made it happen. And it's only just begun, right? Awesome. Yes, it adds, buddy. Awesome. Take care, guys. Keep looking up. See ya. Bye. That is it for this week's episode. Again, my special thanks to Joe and Emmett, for the laughs and for their insight. It certainly isn't the last you'll be hearing from them. All right, I haven't done this in a while, so I'm going to throw you all the socials,

and some updates. First, we have a special Halloween series going on right now, in the main feed, with interviews with people outside the UFO sphere to get us in the spooky spirit. I hope you enjoy these bonus episodes as much as I did, making them. I also want to thank everyone who reached out during my first batch of signed books. I was completely overwhelmed by the response and sold out in less than 24 hours, So I'll be doing another round of those in November when I'm back on the mainland

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