Somewhere in the Skies - The O'Hare UFO Tapes

Episode Date: January 4, 2021

On episode 194 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, Ryan welcomes return guest, Steven Greenstreet. Greenstreet is a news reporter for the NY Post and a freelance filmmaker. He hosts the popular NY Post web series, The Basement Office. Today, he shares with us some stunning evidence from the 2006 O'Hare Airport UFO incident that he obtained through the Freedom of Information Act. It was November 7th, 2006 when a United Airlines employee on the tarmac at Gate C17 at O'Hare Airport in Chicago. Suddenly, he noticed a dark grey metallic craft hovering below the cloud cover. He reported it to the tower, and suddenly dozens of people began witnessing the craft. The witnesses say it hovered for about five minutes before shooting upward, where it broke a hole in the clouds—enough that pilots and mechanics could see the blue sky. The news report became the most-read story on The Chicago Tribune’s website to that date and made international news. However, because the UFO was not seen on radar, the FAA called it a “weather phenomenon” and declined to investigate, stating there was no unknown craft. The audio you'll hear from that day will prove otherwise. Full video interview by CLICKING HERE   Listen/watch the full FAA recordings at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgWgVMNB040&list=UUrvhNP_lWuPIP6QZzJmM-bw  Full NARCAP report on the O'Hare Airport UFO incident can be found at: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5cf80ff422b5a90001351e31/t/5d02ec731230e20001528e2c/1560472703346/NARCAP_TR-10.pdf  Follow Steven Greenstreet on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/MiddleOfMayhem  Special thanks to Sam Maranto, investigative researcher, for providing exclusive witness testimony audio featured in this episode.  Special thanks to @509thConductor on Twitter for the "Triangle emerging from water" CG rendering Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan's Book by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Episode edited by Jane Palomera Moore Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

There's this story you may have already heard about, the United Airlines employees who swear it was something otherworldly in the skies above Chicago's O'Hare Airport on November 7. Several airport workers, some of whom have talked to the Chicago Tribune, who said they saw a saucer-shaped UFO. They saw one, a UFO. They say it hovered over a terminal without lies before shooting straight up right through the clouds last fall. This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague. Welcome everyone to Somewhere in the Skies. And today we have a return guest who is joining me to talk about a very exciting development that he has discovered, along with some other people, about a famous UFO event where we didn't think we were ever going to get any sort of evidence on this thing. It was so, the lid was so tight on it. But lo and behold, he did it.

They did it. We're going to learn all about it. But before we do that, we're going to catch up on his other endeavor, which is the basement office. So you know what that means. With me today is Stephen Green Street. Stephen, thanks for joining me again, brother. Awesome. Glad to be here.

Yeah, yeah. I know times are weird. A lot's going on in the world right now. But, hey, if we can sit and chat about UFOs for an hour and just distract us from everything going on in the world, I think we're doing ourselves and a lot of people of service. So I got to thank you again, man, for coming on. Yeah, of course.

Hell yeah. So let's catch up. I mean, a lot has happened since we last spoke. I think the last time we talked was right before season two dropped of the basement office. So let's start with that, my man. How did it go? What did you talk about? And what was sort of your favorite thing that you covered in season two over at the New York Post?

Yeah. So, you know, it was a given that we were going to do season two. You know, season one, it just blew us all away at how much people love. it. I mean, me particularly. I mean, the pitch for the show, honestly, was two dudes sitting at a desk talking about UFOs. So I was like, maybe people are going to think this is boring. But it was great. So, you know, we shot season two in December of 2019 with Nick. And then we had a pickup shoot in March, literally a week and a half before the COVID shut down. And so we were super stoked about season two and then COVID hit and like basement just took like a backseat. And so we didn't

get season two out, I think, until I think it was June. So, you know, it was, it was a long time coming, but, you know, we finally got it out. And yeah, like this season had some really awesome episodes. I was able to get more kind of like into the weeds. And my favorite episode, I think just intellectually or the one that made me think most was our episode. on U.S.Os, unidentified submerged objects, water, and how it ties in with unidentified flying objects. And I, doing that episode, I was almost like learning through the episode. Like, I had no idea before that episode that water plays such a big role with UFOs. And so that was like a revelation to me to do that episode. Yeah. And I think, you know, a lot of the stuff we're hearing

currently, you know, whether it's from leaked reports from the UAP task force, which we will get to, or various rumors that have been going around, is, yeah, a lot of this has to do with water. And we can only venture a guess as to why. I mean, there have been books written in the past all about UFOs, but they just never seem to hit the mainstream or even a lot of researchers. And, yeah, I think it's absolutely compelling. I think a lot of the evidence is leading that way. So I love that episode that you guys did. And I was with you, man.

It was like blowing my mind. The more Nick talked about it, the more I started digging into it. And I can't wait to see where a lot of that goes next. But I guess kind of catching up on other recent news before we get to the meat of the conversation, the O'Hare incident of 2006, you just released an article over at the news. York Post. We just released one over at the debrief, Tim McMillan and myself, about the Authorization Act, the Intelligence, with the UAP Task Force Finding request. Long convoluted story. We won't go into it now, but it happened. It's past. So what do you think, man? Do you

think anything's going to come of this? They have 180 days to provide findings to the public, Like if they so choose, what do you make of this entire thing? Well, first and foremost, I think about the genesis of it. Why this even exists to begin with. And, you know, Marco Rubio, you know, championed this, you know, on the Senate Intelligence Committee. But what really happened? The public started demanding this. This wouldn't exist if UFOs weren't trending on Twitter,

if people weren't calling congressional offices, if media and journalists weren't making phone calls. So, you know, pre-December 2017, this doesn't exist. This exists because of pressure because on those leaders and those people who, you know, represent others, and they want to say, don't worry, we're taking care of it, we're on top of it, we're going to do something. And so just on that basic political level, how politics works, I mean, that's essentially why this exists, which is awesome that the public is, you know, demanding this. Now, on the other side of the spectrum, what do we get out of it? I mean, come on, we're not getting, we're not going to get the cat's meow on this one. We're not going to get the whole shebang.

But it's something. It's a, it's a, it's a card that's been played and we're forcing a hand. And that's like a good thing. The fact that they have to, they have to release something. It's a mandate from the people. That's rad. You know, that's awesome. You're so right, man.

I think the pressure that the public has put on the Pentagon, DOD, even the UAP task force is amazing. I mean, a lot of them. us in the world right now feel kind of out of control. We're not even in control of our own lives. There's restrictions in every country going on right now because of the pandemic and the government and this and that, blah, blah, blah. But this topic, UFOs, is one thing that it feels like we're making headway and we're actually putting pressure on them to do this. So look, if the UAP task force thought that they were going to get away with not telling us anything, lo and behold, look what happens.

I mean, we get two leaked reports from what they're looking into to the public. So I think that's a strong message that we're not going to just sit around and wait these 180 days. We're going to keep moving forward. We're going to keep asking questions. And you're right, man. This is awesome. Citizen journalism at its best. Let me just add that I honestly just don't think that we're not going to get anything that is anything but we're in charge.

We are making progress. We are looking into it. We are curious, just like you're not going to get we don't know. And it's totally out of our control. I mean, the biggest military, the biggest, most powerful country on planet Earth isn't going to. that something is zipping over their military, you know, airspace and they have no control over it. I mean, that's, that's a, they're just not going to admit that. There is going to be an air of like, we got this, you know.

They're not going to, they're not going to release a like run for the hills investigation. Exactly. I'm totally with you on that. Yeah, I mean, I would be scared if our military or government said, yeah, we have no control. over the situation, even though they might not. And that's one of the things that's scarier to me is, is, is it scarier that the government knows everything but isn't telling us? Or is it scarier that our country knows about it, but has no idea? Like, in my opinion, the people above us and who are supposed to protect us,

if they have no idea, that's almost scarier. Yep. I'm going with the latter as being scarier. Absolutely, my man. Well, let's talk about the case that really drew our attention back in 2006, and that is the Chicago O'Hare 2006 airport incident. Now, you know, we talked about this in the past. Even a report was given to the National UFO Reporting Center, to Peter Davenport, which I believe was the first report to come out about this event. We do have a lot of people in the past to thank for that. But there's new stuff coming out. And you were one of the people to bring that forward. So I got to ask you, how did this come to be?

What did you find? Who did you work with to make this happen? And yeah, give us the rundown about how you got what you got, man. Sure. So, you know, the prologue to this story is when they asked me to pitch and produce the basement off of season one. The first thing I did was read Leslie King's book, UFOs, from 2010. And in there is, you know, the Chicago case is featured and discussed in the details of the case. My jaw dropped because I'd never heard of this case. It was fairly recently and involved a saucer. I mean,

when you think of a flying saucer, you usually think of the 40s or 50s, you know, like you don't really hear about big, you know, crazy flying saucer cases nowadays. And it's a, it's a flying saucer case. And it's that was a prologue. Now, I did an episode on saucers and featured the Chicago case. And in producing that episode, I went crazy looking for the audio because we know the audio had been released via FOIA. We know there was a transcript of the audio in the NARCAP report. And I was like, well, surely this, and I think the history channel had played a snippet of the audio. And I was like, well, surely this is it everywhere by this point. It's on YouTube.

It's somewhere. And we searched, me and my production assistant, we searched forever for this audio and just like, couldn't find it. And we're like, are we going to have to FOIA this ourselves? So anyway, we made the episode in season one without the audio. We referenced, you know, the NARCAP report, but no audio. But it was like my white whale. I was like, there's no way this doesn't exist because it was released. So anyway, flash forward to just, you know, a few months ago, I was talking with Jake at It's Redacted, the UFO channel, It's Redacted, which I love. I love their stuff, their videos. And we were like, yo, let's, you know, my resources are limited. You know, everyone's resources are limited because of the pandemic. But maybe if we team up, we can, like, make something. We decided to do Chicago. And we made it our goal and life mission to, like, find this audio.

And so we called everyone. Like we went through the NARCAP report and we were like contacting everyone within that NARCAP report. Ted Rowe at NARCAP, you know, who is, I think in Hawaii now, you know, had multiple phone calls with him. And the problem was is NARCAP's original archives or older archives have been kind of like moved and spread out to different locations throughout the country. and so people were like, oh, right, we had that, but I don't know where that ended up, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So anyway, we ended up finding it on William Puckett's website, like totally almost unlisted. Like it doesn't show up in search results.

It was just like hosted on his website. I think it's UFOs nw.com and then backslash whatever, like you have to dig into it. and it's there. And William Puckett, I don't know if you know, but he was part of the original Narcap report. His name is on the FOIA documents, who foiled the FAA for the audio. And luckily he had digital copies of it.

And we were like, yeah, we got to take this and we got to release it raw. Like just release everything we got so that in the future, people looking for this stuff can Google and boom, there it is. And so that's how we got it. Yeah.

And I mean, I don't know how many views it's up to now over at the New York Post, YouTube and everything. But it was awesome, man, to hear it in its entirety. You know, like you mentioned, I think certain UFO researchers had to heard certain bites every now and again. You mentioned UFO hunters on History Channel, had some of it. But when you hear all of the people talking about this, and we'll get to the dispute between, apparently, there wasn't any of this. And lo and behold, here we go. Yeah, it was awesome. So I think what I'm going to do right now is I'm actually going to play a little bit of the audio,

so it'll give the audience some context of what we're going to discuss after that about what's in the audio tape. So, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and play that now, if you don't mind. Cool. Hey, do you see a flying disc out by C-17? And the RAM guys are telling us the C-17, they saw some flying disc above, and we can't see it. Right? Okay, I'm sorry. What can I do for you now?

All right. I told Dave there was a disc flying outside above Charlie 17, and he thought I was pretty much high. But I'm not high, and I'm not drinking. Someone actually has a picture of it, so if you guys see it out there. A disc, like a Frisbee? Like a UFO type thing. Yeah, okay.

Okay? Yeah. I have a picture. How high above Charlie 17? Well, it was above our tower. So if you happen to see you think. You know what? I'll keep a peeled out.

for that. All right. Okay. Okay. Bye. Okay. Okay. Go ahead.

Yeah, look out of your window. I didn't see anything above United's Concourse. They actually, believe it or not, they called us and said there's a, somebody observed a flying disk about a thousand feet above the gate Charlie 17. You see anything over there? Not that I can tell. Okay. Yeah, I thought my job was stressful. Who saw it?

All of a lot of over at the Charlie Concourse. Really? You guys did. Who's this? Yeah. So as you can hear. there were definitely some gems in there that we did not know about and that were said by certain people. So I got to ask you, after putting this out there, man, after digging and finding it,

what do you make of it? What do you glean most from these audio tapes in terms of what we've been told in the public about this event and what we're hearing in the audio tapes? Anything really stick out to you? Sure, yeah, two things. One, it's extremely interesting. to hear this occur in real time or what was then real time. How do government and airline workers react to something in real time?

How is that reported? You know, this was five years after 9-11. This was five years. And so in here you've got, you know, pilot supervisors, airline mechanics, reporting something unknown over a United Airlines gate, like in the airspace. Like, how would the government react to that, you know, just a few years after 9-11? So it's interesting to hear that play out. And to hear everyone jokes about it. I mean, Sue from United, God bless her.

You know, she's trying her best to, like, tell the FAA, no, seriously, like, this is happening. And everyone is essentially saying, you must be drunk, you must be high. and she's like, no, no, no, like pilots or no, like this person, no, actually, this actually happened. Someone has a picture of it. She mentions twice. Someone has a picture of it. And then later, towards the end of the audio, where you hear, you know, the supervisors

talking and they're just kind of like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like, okay, whatever, ha, ha, ha. And then you hear a mechanic go like, no, I saw it. And they're like, wait, what? He's like, yeah. I saw it. I'm a United Taxi mechanic. It was there. And so it's interesting to hear it play out. Now, you're asking about the discrepancy about what the audio says versus what the official story was, right? Right. Yep. Yeah. This is where it gets crazy to me because the FAA originally, back in 2006, before all the press and everything, said, oh, we didn't even investigate that. That was nothing.

And then when John Hilkevich at the Tribune, Chicago Tribune and NARCAP, they started filing FOIA requests, they were like, no, actually, we're backtracking that. And like, we did investigate it, but it was just probably a weather phenomenon, some weird cloud or something. And that's it. So that's probably all it was. The end. And in the audio, I mean, you've got trained people. People who work at the airport, fly airplanes for a living interact with clouds day in and day out. These people, that's what they're paid to do, saying a disc, a metallic disc is hovering over our airport.

And okay, these people are not seeing a cloud. at least they're not according to these trained individuals they're not looking at at a cloud and so that conflicts and then to say that there is a a photo a lot of people are latch you on to that i mean sue at united says they have a photo twice and you know i asked the f aaa i said hey like in this audio talking to you in the f a tower it's reported to you that a photographic evidence of this exists. Did you look at the photo? Did you request the photo? Did you analyze the photo? Did you do anything about the photo? They wouldn't answer the question. Yeah, it was Stonewall. And I mean, every employee at United Airlines in the entire airport, I should say, we're told not to talk about this. So, you know, we got a lot of anonymous sources and this and that. And everyone at the airport was staying quiet for so long. But, you know, lo and behold, UFO researcher Sam Maranto was able to get in touch with a witness outside of the airport that was not employed there who saw this thing.

And I actually have audio right now of this witness and how their story compares to those that saw it at the airport. So I'm going to play that right now for the audience. So yeah, man, I mean, even people outside of the airport were seeing this thing and that we're willing to talk about it, which is really. interesting as well. You did mention the weather phenomenon. Now, this was kind of the official statement by the FAA. I mean, they even got in touch with an astronomer, Dr. Hammondgren, I have here from the Adler Planetarium. And I'm just going to read here for a second what they said this was. Weather conditions at O'Hare that day were right for a whole punch cloud, like you mentioned. Something that occurs when a propeller or jet airplane passes through when you have a

uniform cloud cover and the temperature is right near the freezing point. It may make liquid water drop what's freeze and a hazy disk of ice crystals descends from a hole. And it looks like a perfect hole punched in the cloud. That's all fine and great. But like you mentioned, one of the United Taxi maintenance crew members actually saw a structured craft. And boom, that puts that the rest right there. I mean, again, yeah, it's just a testimony. But so many other people said they saw the structured craft.

So, I mean, we were being by to from the very start with this thing. Well, you know, I will, let me say this. Like, first off, okay, a whole punch cloud. Okay, that's an explanation. That is an explanation. Now, is it what they saw at Chicago? You know, it could be. But first and foremost, you know, the quote you just read, you know,

a whole bunch cloud is about, you know, when ice, you know, water molecules freeze suddenly. And, you know, the temperature that day at the airport was in the 50s. The freezing level, the freezing ceiling was around 10,000 feet, 9,000 feet, 10,000 feet, where the freezing temperatures were. And the cloud coverage that day was 1 to 2,000 feet. Now, beyond that, the fact that was at that level nowhere near freezing temperatures, you've got multiple witnesses. And I mean, at least a dozen witnesses that say they saw step one,

a craft below the clouds. So they saw a craft below the clouds. And then some of those witnesses, step two, saw the craft punch through the clouds, creating a hole. Now, so you've got, it's not just a hole that everyone's looking at. People actually, not just one or two or three, but multiple people saw the thing go up through the clouds punching a hole. Now, how the FAA handled their statement about it being weather, it's just so weird.

Like, just lead with that. You don't say, don't understand. initially say, nothing happened here. And then when you're press and FOIA requests are coming in or going like, oh, oh, it's weather. It's probably just lights or a whole punch cloud or something like that. And then when people like myself and others bring up the audio and the fact that a photo was taken, just don't respond at all. Like the way it was handles just really weird. Can I just add that we are all you, I, we're all U.S. citizens

not right now obviously, but we fly planes. We go to airports. We get on planes and we want to feel safe. We want to feel like if there's something unidentified and unauthorized above my plane that

people like the FAA are going to take care of it and take it seriously. You know, we're not talking, I'm not saying alien. I'm not saying X, Y, interdimensional. I'm saying something. I'm saying something. was there, I want them to take it seriously. Absolutely, man. I mean, the stigma and ridicule of reporting these things, I think is more

dangerous than the, you know, the craft or whatever it is could be itself. I mean, if they don't report it because they're afraid of what's going to be said, they're going to lose their job or this or that, then it doesn't get reported and something could seriously go wrong. I mean, even in the original report I saw with Peter Davenport, he adds this little thing here. And, you know, it could be connected or not, but he said the plane that was taxied into Gates C-17, or this happened, the next plane after the whole incident occurred, and they kind of said, yep, no, we're fine, no issues. the plane that came in had severe electrical failures when it parked into the gate C-17 where supposedly this craft had been seen.

So again, that could have been for any reason. I find it an interesting coincidence. So yeah, who knows, who knows? I thought that was a cool little addendum. Is it okay if I read some quotes from some witnesses? Just quick quotes regarding. Absolutely, please do. Okay.

So what's great about the NARCAP report, which, you know, you should send a link to it's 152 pages. And I mean, it's in depth. They've got radar data. They've got like eight pages on just the weather that day. They've got everything. But they were able to interview some of the witnesses before all the press and before the FAA.

And they were able to interview people in this kind of like virgin pure moment in time before the, you know, everything clamped down. Now there are, you know, like I said, at least a dozen solid witnesses. But let's talk about a hole punch cloud, for example, versus what pilots and supervisors on the ground there were talking about. Right here, witness B and C, who were mechanics seated in a cockpit, heard on the radio about a circle or disc-shaped object hovering over the gate. it was described as elliptical sphere-like dark metal object, very specific, dark metal object.

Bring up a whole punch cloud picture and tell me if you would look at that and describe it as dark metal. Another witness here describes it as aluminum, a dirty aluminum color. Again, a whole punch cloud does not look like dirty aluminum. There was laughter. As they're calling on the radio, talking to people all over, looking up and describing this, again, here we go, elliptical, metal. I just, you've got people on the ground, people who are trained, people who are professionals, going on the record and saying what they were looking at looked like a round piece of smooth, hovering metal. And so you can't just dismiss that. You can't dismiss that at all.

And it just makes you wonder like, what were they looking at, man? One guy said it was spinning. It was like rotating. Yeah, yeah, I remember reading that. It's crazy. So, I mean, we're not dealing with a whole punch cloud. That's just not the case. I mighty crow, if that were what we come to find out it was.

But who knows if we're ever going to know the truth. You did mention John Hilkevich, and we do have to give this guy credit. He was the first kind of on the ground to write about this in the Chicago Tribune. And that now, not famous, but well-known broadcast interview he did with CLTV with Jim Wagner, a news reporter. It was leaked about their conversation that happened prior to the official interview they did. And there were some telling stuff kind of in that of, you know, how he was being stonewalled from the very start with this thing. And I actually want to play a little bit of that now to give the audience a taste of that. So here's a little bit of that interview that John Hilkevich gave and the conversation that happened prior to the interview.

Right. Oh, hey. How's John? Hey, Jim. How are you? Well, fine, thanks. How are you? Busy with this year of horse.

Oh, my God. Did you see it hit the Fox crawl Monday night? Did it? It's just been everywhere. I mean, I've been on CNN to my fourth appearance today. Really? Every MSNBC, every network. Oh, my goodness.

And just worldwide. I mean, Australia, everywhere. That's what we're going to start off. I'm going to say. John, the response has been, well, out of this world, hasn't it? Congratulations. So where's the latest on the investigation, the FAA? then? Well, uh...

Is it by this time tomorrow going to prove it? Yeah, United is now acknowledging that they were approached by employees. So they've done that flip-flop. And I'm trying to locate photos of this. I'm told there may be photos. Oh, really? Wow. That would be cool. I'm told that the story on CT has almost a million hits.

Yeah, it's the most red story in the story most read story in the history of ct.com. You're kidding me? No, I got an email yesterday from Bill Adie. Wow. It's like, yeah, in the entire history of the website. Oh, incredible. Incredible.

So does the possibility exist? You might get the pictures and get them in for tomorrow? Oh, no, I don't think, no, no, no. I mean, I'm told the pilots on that plane that was being pushed back, you know, I said in the story that they opened the windscreen and stuck their head out. now I'm being told that one of them had a digital camera and snapped some pictures. Wow. So United is not playing ball with me and FAA, I've expanded my FOIA to include the flight plan, which might include the pilot's names, and I'm trying to work with the union as well.

Are they still going by weather phenomenon? FAA, you know, pretty much because of the federal holiday, I haven't talked to them that much. But yeah, they haven't changed their story. I've just heard from other people since then. That explanation just doesn't wash. And they haven't gone out of their way to say anything otherwise so far? No, I mean, they say, you know, it was November 7th. They're moving on.

They're just doing their daily thing. Well, I tell you what, all the people who saw it must be being a little validated right about now. Oh, yeah, and I'm getting tons of emails from other people outside the airport as well as at O'Hare, who also either cited that same object or saw the hole in the sky and said, what is that? Wow. Okay, so what did it look like, again, to the folks who saw it? It was a saucer-like, just hovering over the United Terminal, right? Yeah, directly over gate C-17.

It was stationary in the sky, dark gray metallic, like I say, saucer-shaped, no lights, and it was there for some minutes. And then when it disappeared, it just streaked through the clouds with such energy that it broke a big blue hole in the overcast. And the hole remained there for several minutes until the wind drifted and pushed the clouds back together. So the blue was the sky? Yeah, the blue was the sky. But otherwise, the entire skyline was cloudy. Totally overcast, huh?

Man. So, you know, an airplane just doesn't react like that. It slices through and it doesn't disturb the atmosphere. So, yeah, I thought that was pretty interesting. I mean, we get kind of the raw conversation about this and, you know, talking about how it crashed the Chicago Tribune website when the story first came out. Right. And they said as well, like you mentioned, there were photographs taken.

There might have been video. So, oh, man, if we could just get our hands on that stuff. And I guess I kind of want to wrap up the O'Hare thing with that, Stephen, do you think it's out there? Do you think we'll ever see a photo, we'll ever see video? Where do you stand on that part of all this? What's up, guys, Ryan Sprague here, and I'm just dropping in to remind you about our Patreon campaign. Somewhere in the Skies is always free to consume, but it's not free to create. So if you want to help the show on a monthly basis, we have tons of rewards for you in return,

including shoutouts on the show and website, bonus content and episodes, and free merge. Want to be my guest or pick a topic for the show? You can do that too. So if you'd like to learn more and to help support the show, visit patreon.com slash somewhere skies. Thank you and keep looking up. Well, I believe it exists, or at least exist dead. I mean, you've got in written with witness testimony, you've got the audio of radio communications from that day of folks acknowledging more than once that at least one photo was

taken that day. Now, you have to understand this is 2006. And if you take, this is pre-i-phone. This is pre-smart phone days. And those little flip phones sit and take the greatest pictures. And, you know, unless someone had like a digital camera like hanging around their their neck, it's probably not the greatest photo, especially if, you know, the craft was, estimated to be 1,900, 2,000 feet up. It's probably not the greatest photo, especially if, you know, the craft was estimated to be 1900, 2,000 feet up, about the size of a quarter held at arm's length.

And so, you know, taking a cell phone photo, who knows how clear that's going to be or how, you know, I think this case and how infamous it is, it's led to some fakes. People creating fake photos of this. I think if and when the final photo actually comes out, it's not going to be this like, oh, like amazing photo. I think it's got to be like, you know, crappy 2006 cell phone photo or even a video. I'd be amazed. Like, honestly, that would be like the coolest thing if like that photo ever came to be.

Even if it is blurry and crazy, if it was like legit, like it was legitimized. as a real photo from O'Hare. Wow. And it's not a whole punch cloud? Wow. That would be awesome. I'm with you, man. I mean, again, we deal with blurry photos in this field on a daily basis.

So what's one more to add onto the pile? But, hey, I think this case is so underrated. It was so well investigated from very tenacious researchers from the very start. And I mean, what you guys did over it, it's redacted. and basement office, New York Post, it's adding to the tapestry of this case that hopefully we will find out someday what actually occurred. But yeah, is there anything else you want to add

in terms of the O'Hare incident before we move on to some closing questions here? Yeah, just one quick anecdote, a personal anecdote that ties into Chicago, which is the way everyone, when you listen to the audio, the way everyone reacts to the UFO is either dismissive joking, confusion, and then joking.

And almost like, come on, I don't want to deal with this. And I have a relative who's in the military and who was flying near the East Coast down in the Navy, flying near the East Coast. This is a while ago. And they, he and his crew saw a UAP at night. And my relative, who's the pilot, pointed it out to the crew and they saw this thing moving around erratically, you know, off in the distance. And the first thing that was spoken in that helicopter, the first thing that was spoken in that helicopter, the first thing that was spoken was, I really wish I hadn't seen that. And they were serious because of the stigma, the ridicule, the embarrassment. It wasn't, oh my God, let's, what is this? Let's find out. It was, I really wish I hadn't seen that. It was just this like, it's this weird stigma. And so it reminded

me of Chicago O'Hare, of everyone reacting the exact same way. And, you know, I'm hoping with all of the recent news. I mean, it's, it's trending on Twitter. or at least once or twice a month now. I'm hoping that kind of like it breaks that wall down a little bit. I hope you're right, man, because I mean, that even traces back to, I remember recently Jacques Valet commented he went to NORAD to discuss, you know, all the work that they do. And he asked them, you know, okay, so you're tracking things here that could be a potential

threat, things in our skies and everything. Do you ever come across unknowns, things that, you can't explain. And they're like, of course we do. Thousands and thousands of them. And Valet is just like, oh my God. So do you have reports on these? Like, what do you do in that case? And they're like, if we can't identify it or it's not a threat immediately, we don't do anything. We don't report it. We do nothing with it. And my heart just dropped when he, when he recalled that because I'm like, are you kidding me? Thousands and thousands of things you can't explain. are just thrown out.

And we've heard this time and time again. So can you imagine if every pilot, every military branch, every stewardess or cabin worker in a plane reported what they saw, it would be amazing. I just, it astounds me. It really does.

It astounds me too. And I think it just goes back to the, ignore what you can't control. You know, if you can't control it, And you don't want to admit that you can't control it, then ignore it. Yeah. You know? Absolutely.

Yeah. Well, ignore is a good way to transition here, man. I got to get your opinion on this. The leaked UAP reports from the supposed UAP task force that came forward in the debrief and several other companies lately. What do you make of all this, man? I mean, we heard some dramatic stuff. Triangles emerging from water and photos. What do you make of this entire ordeal going on with these reports that we saw?

Well, yeah, I mean, obviously that was like the main thing that jumped out to me was the fact that it literally says, you know, UAP might be coming from the world's oceans. And I don't even think it said some. I think the exact quote was UAP might be coming or originating from the world's oceans. And like because of, you know, I'd done the episode on USOs, like that was the thing that stuck out most to me. Now, you know, when I when I researched my U.S.O episode, you know, you can find, you know, plans that the Navy had for a transmedium craft back in like the 40s. And you see these drawings of this plane that's half plane, half submarine. And, you know, in the drawing, it's, it's coming out of the ocean, going back in. So like, you know,

we know the military has wanted this, looked into it, has been pursuing this. And in a way, already has probably has it. And so you've got to like enter that into the equation that, you know, is this some kind of black project that hasn't been revealed yet? but I don't know like when it comes to the UAPTF I don't I don't see it being any different than the frustrations that

Lou Elizondo ran into with ATIP for example you know like I don't see I just don't see the DOD going like oh Lou was right man all this time Lou was right guess we better double down on this it's like I don't think so I think so I think, you know, similar to ATIP, they got handed a mandate and said, do this.

And they're probably like, oh, God, okay, fine. We'll, you know, we'll do this. And so, I don't know. Again, I've said it before. Every company, brand corporation needs a public facing side, the side that interacts one-on-one with the public, you know, different from the business side, the public-facing side. And it's all about, you know, interact. with the public and making them feel like they're part of the conversation.

I almost feel like UAPTF is like the public-facing side of like the real UFO program. You know, it's like we interact with you and we give you little nit, you know, tidbits and we keep you happy and and complicit and stuff. You know, there's no way the UAPTF is the one and only UFO program. It's definitely a program or maybe. part of the program or the PR side of the program, but I don't, I just don't think, I don't think it goes that deep, UAPTF. Yep, yep.

I, again, I think you're right. I think it's just another concerted effort to control the information that does get out. But like you said, you know, there are people fighting that fight. Elizondo included saying, Pentagon, we're watching you guys. Like, don't let us down, or else we're going to knock down walls and find this stuff out for ourselves. So yeah. Yeah. There are those, I mean, it's crazy. Like there are those, like you said, you know, like Lou, whether they're buried on the inside who are frustrated like Lou was in his resignation letter of like, why is no one paying more attention to this? It's right there. It's right here.

Please, let's study this, you know. And, but we're getting quotes. We're getting actual quotes. might, quote, might not be human. In the New York Times article that dropped this year, you know, you've got, quote, off-world vehicles not of this earth. These quotes aren't originating from like a Dungeons and Dragons role-playing game in some basement. It's coming from like the Pentagon,

and it's coming from Pentagon contractors, and it's coming from briefings with classified briefings with congressmen. I mean, come on. That's some of the craziest stuff ever. What does that mean? What does that mean? And it is progress.

You know, there's a lot of people out there that argue, what have we learned? What have we learned from to the Stars Academy or, you know, these articles that have come out? Have we truly learned anything? And I think we've learned that the government and military are willing to now say it's unidentified. It might not be from here. It's not Russia. It's not China. And that's more than we've gotten in the past 70 plus years of a supposed cover-up.

So I think that's progress, in my personal opinion. Yeah, 100%. I mean, the way the X-Fi, even look at the TV show, The X-Files, of like cigarette-smoking man who knows everything, and he's, like, in the basement and, like, hoarding his alien fetuses, you know? And it's like, and it's like, nowadays it's like CSM, like, cigarette-sm, like, cigarette smoking man's like releasing press releases. Right.

Oh, man. That is such a good point. Absolutely. Under his pen name, nonetheless. But, yeah. Well, all right, my man. So I have to ask you this because a lot of my listeners and viewers wanted to get your opinion on this.

It's something very controversial in the UFO community. Say what you will about that. But they want to know your thoughts. Admiral Wilson documents. I'm not going to go into it here, what they are. Just Google it, everyone, go check it out. But I know you did cover this on the basement office at one point and teased it a little bit. So what do you make of this, the Admiral Wilson documents?

And do you think that this thing is real? Is it genuine? And are we going to hear any more about it with the work that you're doing personally? Yeah. So, you know, the Wilson documents, that was. December or April anyway it was in 2019

that the leak supposed leak happened and yeah like you printed them out Nick and I talked about it you know in more general terms

talking about what a USAP is what a sap is what's the difference but journal let me just start before I get into like my personal feelings about it like journalistically the story isn't there yet. It's just, it's missing like something. It's missing something. It's not ready to be,

you know, I can discuss it. I can give my opinion on it. But as in like, journalistically releasing something, it needs something. I mean, beyond just a story, he said, he said, she said story, beyond just that kind of surface story, it's, it's missing something credible. You know, I'll give you an example. When I did my, UAP Pentagon back in May 2019 when the Pentagon released a statement to me that yes, ATIP research investigated unidentified aerial phenomenon. We spent, I spent days making sure that that was, I said in my story, this is the first time the Pentagon has ever said spoken these words, UFO, UAP.

They've officially never spoken these words. I went back and I dug, dug through everything. Pentagon statements, previous spokes, everything, going back forever, to make sure that that was actually accurate, that I could say that. That's how much work. I mean, you do that as a journalist. You want to make sure that everything you're saying fits and it's accurate. And so with the Wilson story, oh, my God, dude, what a nightmare.

Journalistically, I mean, what a nightmare that would, that is. I mean, she's just like, come on. You know, and so you stop at, well, I can release a story that says, Eric Davis says this. Admiral Wilson says this. You know, Grant Cameron says this, the end. You know, I, but that's not me reporting. That's not me telling the audience, being able to provide the audience, here's why this is true. Or here's why this probably isn't true.

I can't fully get my arms around the whole story. as it exists now. And I mean, look, look at the story and how it spreads on Twitter and online. It's a fascinating story. And it's fun. I mean, let's admit it. To go there with your mind and to picture that car, you know, and them sitting in the car and like the incognito aspect of it and what was discussed alien bodies and, you know, X, Y, and Z, like, that's fun.

But, you know, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's not run with that. Let's not get out of control personally. Personally, and I said this to Nick, here's how I personally feel is if it was true that the government is in possession, has been in possession of extraterrestrial or not of this earth. What is outlined in the Wilson docks is how I personally feel how it would be done. That's how it would be done. Remove it from Congress, remove it from, you know, the people who are elected and every two, four years, get it out of there, put it somewhere else permanent where it can be studied properly,

you know, unacknowledged. And those things rang true to me personally. Like in my head, I was like, oh, okay, yeah, if this was actually true, then maybe this is probably how you would do it. So that's like, that's how I feel about it personally. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm on board with you on that. The more I know about it, the less I know about it. Absolutely.

So, yeah, it's fun. It's exciting. We'll see where it leads. I know there's a lot of people out there who are very adamant that this is real. This happened. And hey, the meeting probably happened. I can admit that. It probably things were said.

Now, what was said and if that is true is a whole, whole other story. Yeah, the only thing that can be confirmed, meaning that I'm comfortable about, is the meeting with, you know, Edgar Mitchell, the meeting Wilson Davis and Edgar Mitchell, the former, you know, astronaut, like all parties agree that that meeting occurred. Like everyone is on board Wilson himself. So, you know, he acknowledges that that meeting happened. Now, the scope of that meeting, you know, maybe has been embellished a bit, you know. And I also got to say, we have to be careful, man.

Like, there's a lot of embellishment. And just in UFO reporting in general and like, hell, I'm guilty of it sometimes. We all are. Just be just The way we talk about it The way we present a story Not that the story's embellished But the way the excitement

You know sometimes it's like I said previously It's fun and what the Wilson thing is I think there's some embellishment Going on With it There's just I just And the thing that bugs me is If it's true man

Like what is that information doing like floating around like some dudes some dude's computer like in Canada like and what's it doing like what's it doing on Imger you know dot com chilling yeah oh it's like uh if it if that's like the biggest ultimate secret on planet earth it's just like um it doesn't smell like a snowden reveal or a a Julian Assange reveal you know the flip to that is You know, they went after Snowden. They went after Assange and it validated what they released. And so, you know, maybe if you go after the folks who leaked these documents, people go, wait, what, that's real?

That's such a good point. You know, I've been looking a lot and I've looked in the past at these UFO hacker whistleblowers, whether it's Gary McKinnon, this other dude, Matthew Bevan, who did it, like, I think 10 years prior, 15. years prior to McKinnon hacked into like NASA and NSA and all this stuff to find UFO information. And lo and behold, both of them found stuff. But when they were caught, arrested, and McKinnon, at least, was going to be extradited to the United States to face prison time on these things. Bevin was going to have to pay a ridiculous amount of money for the damage he caused in security. The courts couldn't do anything because the government wasn't willing to share anything. that they found like nothing and that's understandable it could be national security purposes

but then what do you do you can't charge him with anything if uh they're saying no comment well what did he find no comment then what did he do wrong no comment you know it's it's tough it's tough so yeah it's always a catch 22 yeah yeah um well all right my man well looking backward and looking for all of humanity, but here in the UFO world, a lot happened. So I got to ask you, what is your favorite thing

in 2020 that happened with this topic? Anything really stick out to you? Let's see. I mean, at the beginning of 2020, there were two things that I'm rather new to this. You know, when I say that UFOs, you know, I've had a long career where UFOs were not part of my daily life.

Right. And as someone relatively new to this, I believe it was February, Tim McMillan's Lou Elizando, popular mechanics article, that, wow, that was like awesome. That really,

that hit me really deeply because Lou was a confusing character to me, and I was not 100% sure about Lou myself personally. And, you know, I was leaning towards he's legit because, but, yeah, so Tim's popular mechanics article in February 2020,

that was when things started really getting real for me as regards to ATIP, all sup and everything going on behind the scenes there. So I think that was a really big, awesome article. And then soon after that, when the, the Pantagos, released, officially released, the three videos. Everybody and their brother and sister had already seen since 2017.

The fact that the government is coming out and going, all right, you got us. Like, yeah, these are ours and yeah, they're official. And in that release, these are still unidentified. Like, the fact that the Pentagon is releasing this stuff and saying that is, I was like, Wow. Yeah. Gave me chills. Yeah.

Yeah. We've come a long way, man. You know, I mean, there's cynical UFO researchers out there who've been doing this for 50 plus years. And I don't blame them. We're let down constantly in this field and with this topic. But I think we're living in exciting times. I really do think we're on the precipice of something big. And it's taking citizen journalists.

It's taking independent UFO researchers. It's taking even the. mainstream media to put the pressure on the government to tell us. And it's not something I ever thought I would see in my lifetime. And I'm not talking a grand disclosure. We're going to get all the answers. I don't believe in that whatsoever. But it's a process. It really is. And Alizondo, Chris Mellon, all these people, John Greenwald, who have been putting pressure on the government for so long to get information understand it's a process and that they do have to apply pressure. So I'm very thankful for everyone in the UFO field out there doing it. Everything from UFO Twitter, the activism you've

seen on there from a lot of people, they are a hungry, hungry, passionate group. No matter what you believe or if you agree or disagree with the way certain people do things, hey man, we're all in this together trying to find answers. So I think it's awesome. I think it's a cohesion that we have not seen in a while. And it's a transparency by the government to the public that we haven't seen ever. So I'm looking forward to whatever is to come in 2021. So what do you think? What are your hopes for 2021? What do you want Stephen Greed Street in the UFO field in the coming new year? Well, I think it's it's time for some real talk. You know, you can only get away, the Pentagon can only get away with this is an

identified we don't know for so long. Yeah. You know, there exists, you know, as Nick Pope says, there exists a best current assessment. It exists. A best current assessment, a guesstimate, whatever, educated guess as to what it is. That exists. So we got to, what I'm looking for in 2021 are more specifics beyond unidentified. I'd like to begin getting into officially on the record from the government, a best current

assessment. And, you know, I don't want generalizations. Like, we need to start getting into the observables, the science, you know, things like that. And more people than just like Eric Davis, for example, need to be out there in New York Times articles. So I'm looking forward to the, like, the new voices, people we've never heard of yet, those people like coming out and going on the record. Absolutely. And, dude, I mean, I was considered one of the young guns or whatever of euphology for a really long time. And now I'm not one of them. And that actually really excites me.

I'm not looking forward to losing my hair and, you know, getting the dad body and everything. But I think it's incredible that I can now talk to people on Twitter and Facebook, whatever, about this topic and they're researching it and they're 10 years younger than me. That's awesome. And like you said, new people. I mean, let's look at the scientific groups out there, organizations. that are around. The Scientific Coalition of UAP Studies, UFO data, UFO DAP, Sky Hub, these incredible scientists and engineers are creating things to monitor UFO activity like never before.

So there you go, man. That's showing the government or NASA even like, fine. If you're not going to do the work, we're going to do it for you. So I think that's exciting. And I look forward to what all those groups are doing in the next door so. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's all I got for you, brother. I'm so happy we got to cover this event. I've never covered Chicago O'Hare on the show before. So we kind of only scratched the surface. But like I said, thank you for the work that you did. And it's redacted on this. It's awesome. Again, any evidence and testimony and context we can have for these events only adds to this process of disclosure that hopefully we're living in. So last question for you.

What comes next? The ball is in the air. What comes next for you in your work in this field, my man? Not too sure, actually. That is a perfect answer. There's some things there being worked on. There's nothing serious. I'm always kind of like looking for the next.

thing. I mean, basement is always there, and I'm hoping, you know, in 2021 with like the vaccine and like, you know, hopefully we can get out of the weeds soon because I'd really like to do that show right, you know, again. But yeah, I got a couple things, but nothing I'm ready to announce yet. That's totally fair, brother. Well, in the meantime, I know that we have not heard or seen the last of what's to come with the Chicago O'Hare incident. You and I are going to dig in a little deeper into some leads that we've come across. So I look forward to what comes with that. So you and I have to get to work.

So I'm going to cut it here. Let's go do our thing. And I will see you in the New Year, brother. Thank you. All right, man. Later.