Somewhere in the Skies - The Paranormal Ranger: A Navajo Investigator's Search for the Unexplained

Episode Date: September 29, 2024

On episode 375, we are joined by return-guest, Stanley Milford Jr. to discuss his new book, The Paranormal Ranger: A Navajo Investigator's Search for the Unexplained. Stan gives the backstory of how he became a Navajo Ranger, his childhood encounter with a Skinwalker, a fascinating case of the "hitchhiker effect" that follows him to this day, and then he dives deeper into some of the most perplexing cases he investigated across the Navajo nation when it comes to UFOs, the paranormal, and the supernatural. He then answers your listener questions and leaves us with some powerful final words. Buy Stan's book, The Paranormal Ranger: https://a.co/d/9tKgV9g Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com Store: http://tee.pub/lic/ULZAy7IY12U YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/somewhereskies/videos Order Ryan’s new book: https://a.co/d/4KNQnM4 Order Ryan’s older book: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Read Ryan’s Articles by CLICKING HERE Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte Produced by LIONSGATE Copyright © 2024. Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the Somewhere in the Skies podcast, we are joined by former Navajo Ranger, Stanley Milford, Jr. To discuss his new book, The Paranormal Ranger, a Navajo investigator's search for the unexplained. This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague. Welcome, everyone, to Somewhere in the Skies. And a very warm welcome back to the show to Stan Milford, Jr. Stan, how you doing? I'm doing great. Doing great.

Glad to be here. Sharing this with your audience. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, speaking of sharing, that's why you're back.

You have a brand new book coming out in early October. And I can't wait for people to read this. I was honored to get a advanced copy of the book. And there it is right there. I furiously, furiously went through it. So I've got,

I've got a bunch of personal questions for you, and we have some listener questions later in the show. But before we get to all of that, let's catch people up if you don't mind. Now, some people might know you from your lectures that you've given across the world. They might know you from your episode of Unsolved Mysteries. But today we're going to talk about the book.

And the book really starts with you, your life, where you were born, how you were raised. So if you want, can you just give us a snapshot of who Stan Milford Jr. is? And yeah, yeah, catch us up if you don't mind. Well, my parents are both come from Native American backgrounds. My mother is Cherokee from a little town called Talakua, Oklahoma, which is the capital of Cherokee Nation. And my father is, he was full blood Navajo from Arizona,

living on the Naval Reservation. So you must understand that the Naval Reservation is the largest native reservation in the United States, within the United States. So it's basically 27,000 square miles or 70,000 square kilometers. So it's a pretty vast area. And so I grew up between those two places. I went to school in Oklahoma. I went to a public school.

You know, being Native American in Oklahoma, you know, that used to be Indian territory before it became the state of Oklahoma. So there is a large population of different tribes there. And so, but I always felt, I always felt inclusive, you know, within the classes and within my schooling. I never felt any different than I think than any other student. You know, there was a majority, probably half of the class was probably Anglo or white. and ancestry and the other half of that would have been different minorities, blacks, Asians, and Native Americans. But I went to public school all the way through the 12th grade and graduated high school there in Talibuah.

But my father would fly me and my older sister, Deborah, who's five years older than me. he would fly us to and from Oklahoma to the Navajo Reservation. Fly us from Tulsa, Oklahoma out to Albuquerque, New Mexico, and he would come and pick us up. And we would spend the summertime, our summer break, and living on the Naval Reservation, with all of our aunts and uncles and cousins, which my father had a really large family too.

both sides have really, really large families. So a lot of cousins and out there on the Navajo Reservation, you speak to your aunts and uncles as though they are your parents. You talk to them in that same manner. So no matter where you were, you were with a cousin or whatever, you stayed at their house, you were fed, you were looked after. And so it was very communal kind of living. My great-grandparents were still alive when I first came to the Naval Reservation.

And I learned a lot of different things from them and from my grandmother, my father's mother, there on the reservation, learning a lot about the culture and stuff. It was a very interesting time. There was no issues that I felt with crime or anything like that. Us kids were allowed to run around the community, you know, sometimes at all hours, you know. But we always felt safe. There was the elements within the culture growing up on the reservation. that was more prominent that it was in Oklahoma,

things dealing with what is commonly known as shapeshifters or these skin walker that's known in the culture. And so you would hear these stories and tales as a kid growing up there. Interesting. Now, I know in the book, you actually do go a little into that history with the skin, your personal history. with a possible skin walker. Is that something you'd be willing to share with us

about your childhood encounter with a possible skin walker? Sure. Now, you have to realize that most of my childhood was spent there in Oklahoma. I lived with my mother and my sisters, Deborah, and my little sister, Stephanie, and later on my little sister, Lisa. But I am going to public school, you know, you had some sense that of the native culture in Oklahoma.

And I, growing up there, I always heard stories from my aunts and from my mom about, also about shape shifting, but or, you know, this phenomenon related to Native Americans. And shapeshifting is also intertwined with witchcraft using different types of ritual and ceremonial activity to be able to change from a human form into that of an animal, be it a bird or a coyote or other things. So for me, you know, growing up as a child in Oklahoma, those stories always seem like fairy tale. There was no connection to that physically or visually, you know, related to that. I did hear the stories, but it wasn't until I had come to the Naval Reservation

during my college years, I was going to school in Kansas, Oklahoma, at Haskell Indian Nations College there. It was a junior college at that time. And when we would go on break, I would come to the Naval Reservation and work, spend my summers working there. And I was there during this one thing,

summer and I had gone to the movie theater one night and I'd watched this Stephen King movie and there was I was big into heavy metal or hard rock music I played guitar growing up in high school and stuff so I was big into that and the band ACD. was played the soundtrack to that particular movie. So I went to the movie by myself that night. I borrowed my sister's car and I'd gone to the theater. The show didn't get out until around midnight. So I came into the lobby and there was an elderly man sitting on one of the little benches there in the lobby.

And he asked if he could catch a ride back to the town that I lived in. And I said, sure, you know, yeah, I'll give you right. And so he hops in the car and he had to be in his 80s. He, little elderly Navajo man. And we made small talk. And I took him out to where he has to be dropped off, which at that location, there was no ambient lighting. There was no street lights or anything. It was out on this long stretch of highway.

And I took him out there, and he has to be let out. So I said, okay, and I let him out. And it was pitch dark out there. And I turned the car around, and I started back on this long straightaway stretch of highway. And as I was driving, there was something outside the passenger side of the car that caught my eye. There was movement. So as I'm driving down the highway, I could see something moving on the inside of the right-of-way fence or the perimeter fence along the highway. And I kept glancing over to see what this was.

You know, at first I thought that it might have been a horse or something like that that was running on the inside of the fence. but almost immediately, you know, I picked up speed to highway speed, 55, 60 miles an hour. And this thing ended up, it jumped the fence that run parallel to the highway. And it got closer and closer to the side of my car. And to the point, it was within a couple of feet of the car. and how the only way I could describe it was very similar to that of a greyhound, greyhound dog, these rice dogs. It was running on all fours.

It was, its color was all white from head to toe. And it did have a long canine-like snout, you know, like a dog or a wolf or something like that. It did have a mouth full of jagged teeth, gleaming white teeth. And at one point, as I'm driving, I look over that way and it's looking directly at me. And that was where the shock really hit because its eyes were like they were self-illuminated. They were like the color of commonly at the movie theaters, you have those orange exit signs up near the top of the frame of the doorway. And that bright orange, you know, fluorescent orange color, that's the way this thing's eyes looked like. And when I locked eyes with it and it was looking directly at me,

all of a sudden I looked back to the in front of the you know where I was going and driving and I slid down as far as I could in the seat and continued to accelerate and I didn't look back it did I don't know what it did I didn't look in my mirrors or I don't know what happened to it at that point I it was within a couple of feet of my car its back was probably a good four foot to the top of the back as it was running. And so I ended up coming into the driveway of the house, sliding into the gravel driveway and come to a stop. And I ran in the house.

And my dad was still up. So my father was still awake. And I explained what I witnessed, what I've seen. That's when my dad said, that's a skin walker, son. That's what you sing. So that was my encounter with this thing. And at that point, you know, you have the realization that there is so much more to this world and our universe than what's right here in front of us going to and from work every day, paying the bills and all of that stuff that really is just fluff compared to what is really happening

in our world and our universe. I never realized that, you know, these stories I heard as a kid running around on the Navajo Reservation, you know, sometimes those kids would be playing out at night and some, I remember one time where we were running around and some, one of the kids yelled, there's a skimbing, walker on the hill and everybody took off running back home. But, you know, I never, until I actually seen this thing running by the car, you know, it changes your perspective on life, on the universe and everything in it. I'm sure, I'm sure.

And, you know, the unknown, the unexplained would sort of start to intertwine itself throughout your life. But before that, Stan, let's, I guess, go into the background of how you got into law enforcement, if you don't mind, which would subsequently lead to becoming a Navajo Ranger. So maybe if you wouldn't mind, we'll get the background on that. And then we'll dive into how it started to sort of started to butt up against the paranormal. So could you tell us a little bit about the Navajo Rangers and kind of your journey through the ranks to get up into becoming a Navajo Ranger, if you don't mind. Sure.

So first, growing up in Oklahoma, my aunt and uncle had a large cattle ranch in Oklahoma. And my cousin, their son, his name was Rusty, and he was he was, he was, he was about a year older than I was, a year and a half maybe. And so him and I ran around on that. The ranch was quite large. It was, I think, well over 2,000 acres and a large number of cattle that that family raised. But he had motorcycles and we were running all over the place. wooded, you know, forest area, creeks and ponds.

And so we had run of the ranch as young kids. And this is about 10 years old, something like that. Maybe when I first started going there around nine years old or so. But we would race around

on motorcycles and dirt bikes and playing cops and robbers and stuff. And we watched a television show that was really popular at that time. It was called Starsky and Hutch. It was a cop drama of these two police officers. And, you know, there was shows like Adam 12 and these other cop shows at the time.

So we would play cops and robbers. And I think I began developing this. I guess longing to, you know, to maybe one day become a law enforcement officer at that time. And so I had been accepted to, I went to three different colleges. I went to Haskell Junior College. I went to Fort Lewis College in Durango, Colorado. and I had been accepted to the University of Arizona and had actually started school. I was studying their pre-med program.

So I was in school at Tucson and getting settled in there. But I really wasn't sure that that was what I was meant to do for the rest of my career for starting. my career. So, you know, I had worked with Parks and Recreation on the Navajo Reservation for a number of years when I was in college. And I became good friends with the director, who his name was Clarence Gorman. He was, up in the years, it was said that he was actually one of the first Navajo Rangers when they first were founded back in like 1957. And so him and I were good friends. We always had really good conversations,

and he was kind of like a mentor. But up to that point, I'd only work construction and things like that. So when I was at school at U of A, he contacted me, and he said, Stan, he said, we're really needing a Navajo Ranger to be able to provide enforcement up in Monument Valley Tribal Park, which is a well-known tourist location. It had been since the 50s when John Ford was filming the John Wayne movies

there in that location and in and around that area. So he made the offer, you know, we would like you to come back and go to the Police Academy and come back and work as an Navar Ranger for us for the Parks section. And I said, well, that's a really big step. I'll have to think about it over the weekend. And I said, I'll get back to you next week and let you know. But secretly in my heart, I already had made up my mind.

I knew that I wanted to try law enforcement and be a law enforcement officer, So I just kind of played it off that, yeah, let me think about it. So that next week, yeah, I did. Yeah, I did. So I contacted him and he said, yeah, I've thought about it. I'll take up your offer. I'll come back and go to the police academy, which I went back. And they enrolled me with the U.S. Indian Police Academy,

which is a federal law enforcement training center that has your federal air marshals, the Border Patrol, INS, immigration, all of these different federal law enforcement programs were trained at that facility. And there's a couple of others in the United States. I think back in Georgia,

they have a federal law enforcement training facility. But this was an artesian, New Mexico. So I came back and it really wasn't, it was maybe four or five hours away from where I lived on the reservation and came back, went through the academy. It was a good experience. I was able to keep my mouth shut and do what my sergeants told me and followed their instruction. And I actually made one of the leadership positions, first squad leader. there's four squads and I made the first one. And I had actually been the platoon leader for a little while.

And so it was a good experience. So I graduated, graduated with some honors, and I came back to the Naval Reservation. And I was commissioned and given a uniform and badge and gun. And I began working as a Navar Ranger. And a lot of that was just tedious thing. You know, part of what the Navajo Rangers do is agriculture-related and livestock-related enforcement. So the Naval Rangers are basically a cover-all for all of the different programs under natural resources. So all of your forestry, fishing wildlife, you know, your fishing game,

all of the different program, minerals, all of those were situated and including the enforcement over the park areas, the recreation areas. There's a number of lakes and rivers and mountainous areas where people go camping and a lot of tourist visitation, especially in places like Monument Valley

in Kenya, D'Shea. So they needed an enforcement arm there to protect the parts and protect the antiquities, which is another huge part of that job, is protecting the cultural antiquity sites, the ruin sites where you have pictographs and petroglyphs on the canyon walls and all of that needed protecting. And so that was my work in the beginning. And came back and began working and working under a chief ranger, Leonard Butler, who's a chief ranger at the time.

Okay, okay. So that, you know, and again, like the Navajo region is so vast, like you said. and you guys had so many different responsibilities. And I know even in the book you do mention it. And I should, we haven't even mentioned the name of the book, Stan. I'm so sorry. The paranormal ranger,

which will be available in early October. Guys will have links to it down in the show notes and everything. Yep, yeah, let's show it up. There it is. I love the cover. I love the cover. The barren. So you covered in the book,

everything from yeah like you said protecting antiquity dealing with livestock agriculture um sometimes even search and rescue or missing persons domestic violence like you name it you were law enforcement you did it all

but then that gets us up to the book right the book and a lot of the book covers the how should we put it the more unique cases So how did that come about? How did the, I guess the origin of the Navajo quote unquote paranormal ringers moniker come to be?

Like was it, I'm just imagining like the X-Files, you know? Like every governmental body has that basement where they all the unsolved cases go. So how did the paranormal start to bleed over into your work as a Navajo Ranger? Well, I think it's important to mention that, you know, I grew up between living in Oklahoma, which the public school there is a Western education. It's a it's a non-native education. You know, you're learning your arithmetic and mathematics and, learning English and writing and all of those skills that are taught the science, biology and everything like that.

And so you're taught a Western way of thinking, Western civilization way of thinking. And then, on the other hand, I had the cultural side. of being Navajo, which, you know, there's elements of, like I mentioned earlier, you have medicine men and shaman that do healing practices

and ceremonies that are hundreds, if not thousands of years old. And so you have a perspective of two different worlds. Well, that unique element of of seeing and having a perspective of Western civilization and native views and cultural views.

I had that, but not only did I have that, the Chief Ranger had that because he was born on the reservation, and he, as a child, he was taken from the reservation. and placed in school up near Salt Lake City, Utah in the Mormon culture. And that's where he went to school as a child. And again, he probably didn't return home until after he graduated high school. Of course, like me, coming back in the summertime and stuff, but also Jonathan Dover, who was my partner in the Spresso Project Unit. Jonathan was a lieutenant with the Navarangers under special projects.

John, too, was born in Los Angeles, but his grandparents and other relatives that lived on the reservation. His grandfather was a medicine man, and he grew up, again, Jonathan grew up, seeing both worlds, seeing the western side and then also the Navajo culture. And so that element of us three having that perspective was very unique in the formation of this investigative unit of the paranormal. And so there was a case where, and, you know, elderly grandmother who was, at the time, she was living in the mountains at what's called Sheik Camp. In the summertime, Navos will herd their animals up into the high elevation mountains because it's much cooler in the summertime up there in the mountains, and it's a lot

greener. You have a lot of green grass and foliage and streams and water, pools of water, you know, lakes. So she had her sheep up there. She called the department saying that she had witnessed this thing that people referred to as a big foot or

Sasquatch. You know, the Yowie and this thing that people describe as eight or nine foot tall covered in hair. She said this thing stepped over into her sheep corral. It picked up one of her sheep under its arm and took off with one of her sheep.

So with the Navajo people, the livestock is, has a really high importance. That is probably the leading component in the Navajo economy is livestock. So for something like that to happen, when you're, when you're, animals, one of your livestock to be carried off is, one of your, witnessing this thing called a big foot, there's an element of trauma that coincides with this. And she called the department upset and she spoke to the chief. And so the chief contact the dispatcher and they sent two rangers up to that location. But one of the things with that situation was one of these young rookie rangers,

he is, I refer to him as a comedian because he's just always constantly laughing and joking and carrying on all the time. It's just, it was his personality. And not that he meant to offend anybody or anything like that, but it was just who he was and still is to this very day. So anyway, I think this grandmother overheard him and this other rookie ranger back at either the patrol unit or back at the corral with him laughing and carrying on and whatever. and I think she was offended by that, thinking that, oh, these guys ain't even taking this serious. The grandmother contacted the chief ranger,

and I would, you know, most grandmothers out here can definitely scold you pretty good if you end up in trouble. So she probably scolded the chief on some level, and he called a department-wide meeting, and he wasn't too happy, but he called us all in. and he said, you know, from now on, when you get these kind of cases that, you know, people call supernatural or paranormal, you know, whether it's a Bigfoot case or UFO case or

witchcraft or whatever it might be, he said, you may not understand it. You may not believe it, you know, but he said, you will investigate it and you will do it just, as professional as you'll do any other case. He said, by becoming a ranger, you took an oath. One of two things or a combination of both. You chose to help people and or to protect people. And that's what you're going to do. If you don't want to do that, you can find a job somewhere else because that's your job as a law enforcement officer and you will do that. And me and John were sitting aside him, you know, as a part of the special projects and with the other lieutenant. He looks over me and John and he points a finger at us and he said, and you two are going to manage these cases.

You're going to oversee them and see that they're done correctly. And John and I were always, yes, sir, no sir. officers, you know. Whatever he assigned us, we took it seriously and we didn't question him. You know, it wasn't that, you know, sometimes people asked that.

You know, it wasn't like we were raising our hand, wanting to be X-Files or that kind of thing. It was just the fact that, I think he knew that, you know, John and I had that, that bipolar, view of the world. And a lot of the Navajos that live there,

and especially those rangers, with the taboos that are built into that culture, there are certain things like death and burials and those kind of things that you don't mess with. If that's put in the hands of a medicine man to deal with, you don't toy with those kind of things. Witchcraft, you know, You don't mess with it.

You leave it to those people that know how to deal with it. And I think the fact that, you know, John and I grew up between those two worlds, and he too, that he knew that we could manage those particular cases. And that's so we were, as according to John, we were voluntold to that's what we did. I love that. I was going to say you were the reluctant hearing. which is the oldest story in time, right? Well, and I love that term between two worlds.

You use that several times in the book, and I think that's very important that both you and John had this, both indigenous and also Western perspective on what was going on. So you were able to sort of look at it from all angles, which I think is very unique and important. Well, I guess, Stan, I don't want to give away too much of the cases that you talk about in the book. We want people to obviously read it. But maybe if there's like one case that really sticks out to you that you'd be willing to share with us here, what would that be?

What is like the case that haunts you to this day? Is there like one or maybe two? I don't know. Yeah, what case would you like to cover with us here on somewhere in the skies? You know, there is probably, you know, John and I worked together in that special projects unit. And again, we were, we managed and were commanders over the department SWAT team at that time, special weapons and tactics. So tactical unit. we had all of the equipment, the firearms and all of that,

and we responded to a man with weapon calls in conjunction with the naval police. At times it had already, this was the time, you know, following Columbine, this school shooting in Colorado. And we were already getting calls to some of the schools that where there was a risk of a threat of possible shooting. So we would respond to school calls. We were doing dignitary protection. We were assigned to do dignitary protection for the first Navajo woman who ran for Navajo president at the time during the campaigning.

You know, again, there's 110 chapters or local governments. throughout the Naval Reservation. And so during campaign season, when people are running for president, they're traveling to the different fairs during the summertime and making appearances. And we were like the Secret Service with the U.S. presidency. We had to be specially trained and, you know, in operating vehicles and weaponry and all of that stuff. So we did that kind of thing. We did security for dignitaries.

Like, let's say, if Johnny Depp was out on the reservation filming the Lone Ranger, we would get assigned to do protection and security for those events. And so I did the security for the band Metallica one time when they were filming a video in Monument Valley. And so it was an exciting, exciting job, you know, being under that. There was some risk to it, but John and I, in doing and learning how to function under SWAT, one of the key things, the principles that you're taught, is not to allow fear to dictate your actions or, you know, control your emotions. You stay focused on your training and stay focused on the mission at hand.

And I think that carried over a great deal in the paranormal. John and I had already had a really strong faith and spirituality growing up. You know, as a little boy growing up in Oklahoma, sometimes I disappear off into the woods, sometimes even after dark. And I wasn't afraid, you know, I put those things of fear in, to my creator's hands and God's hands and let him handle those kind of things. So I think that was a big, big element in doing these kind of cases that John and I do, because we're very similar.

We wouldn't be afraid. And we, you know, with some of the haunting cases and the things related to, like, demonic activity and stuff, these entities will try to instill fear and try to get reactions out of you and stuff. And it feeds upon that behavior. And John and I wouldn't give it that, you know. So, yeah. There was one of the big cases I did was that had a great impact on how I viewed the universe and it also helped me develop theories about the paranormal too.

It was a haunting case where I put together a team of four individuals to go into this office space where their director had said that their staff were experiencing unusual activity in the office space to the point that it was disrupting the workplace. Things moving, voices, people being. touched. And so that director came to the chief and asked if he had anybody that could look into it and chief assigned me. And so I went into this office space to investigate for two days. I had a team of four individuals, including myself. The chief actually allowed me the authority to be able to choose people that weren't even within a department. I chose investigators.

that had a background in paranormal to investigate this stuff because a lot of times the normal criminal investigation techniques and stuff wouldn't necessarily cross over or be applicable to the paranormal. So I sought and John sought help from organizations like the mutual UFO network or Mufon, which is a state, you know, Each state has their own branch of that, and it's even international today.

Mufon is. But they had investigators that had investigated UFOs and things like this over the years. And we also relied on an individual named Robert Bigelow had investigators that also investigated UFOs and other phenomenon that would fall under paranormal. So we learned a lot from those two different organizations and with different techniques and stuff. But anyway, going back to this case with the haunting, I first go in with, we went in late at night, like 8.30 at night after it got dark and we were going to spend the whole night investigated. So I was the first to arrive with another investigator who actually worked in that building. and he was the guy with all of the keys.

I like to call him the jailer because he had this big key ring of all of these keys that could open up all of the different office spaces and the rooms and closets and everything. So he opened it up for me to do a walk-through, and I did a walk-through. And in the downstairs area of that building, there was three levels.

In the downstairs basement area, there was a large, conference room table in one room. And I was standing there against that table and pondering how I would end up conducting this investigation. So as I was standing there leaning against that table, it was as though somebody put their index finger or finger on my lip, my must that, excuse me, and press that finger from one side of my face to the other side and then back across just like a person was pressing their finger against my face. And when that happened over here on one side within a couple of feet,

there was two male voices that were carrying on a conversation. And they were two distinct male voices talking back and forth to each other. I couldn't make out what it is they were talking. they were talking about, but it lasted five or six seconds or something like that. But at that point, I knew there was some type of phenomenon that was occurring within that space within that building. And so the other investigators arrived, and I did my briefing to them, and we set up our equipment.

And almost immediately, one of the most unique phenomenon, paranormal phenomenon, paranormal phenomenon, that I've ever experienced was this phenomenon of coins that would materialize out of thin air. They would just simply from a height of about three feet

sometimes fall out of nothingness, out of thin air. And at least ten times, at least ten times, I witnessed that with my own eye, watching these coins fall out of thin air. Or sometimes they would come flying across the room.

Some of these rooms would have a height of 15 feet or something, and these coins would come flying from across the room. Sometimes they would fly 35 plus feet or something. The unique thing with the coins besides them materializing was that they would be hit and they would behave like any other coin. These were all U.S. coins, nickels, pennies, dines, and quarters. and if you took a coin out of your pocket and you flipped it into the air

and it would hit on the floor and make a big spiral and fall over. Out of all of the 66 coins over the two days, they would all land heads up. So you know and I know. Out of probability and statistics, that's not going to happen. It can't.

You know, it's not possible. And the unique thing, another unique thing is that this phenomenon ended up attaching to me, and it still happens to this very day. I can be traveling like to Scotland or Canada or, you know, throughout the United States and these coins can just manifest and fall out of the air. And they still land heads up. You know, we analyze that the years and the types of metallurgy and all of that. We really couldn't come up with, you know, any meaning or anything behind it. And at one point, I came to the realization that it is actually just spirit. It's a spirit that is familiar with me that knows me, that is letting me know.

know heads up, I'm here, I'm around. So that's what I gather with it is. That's spirit letting me know it's present when these coins manifest. And like I said, last month, you know, August, I had a total of four coins within three weeks that manifested in my bedroom. out of thin air falling in the floor. And again, they all landed heads up. These were all dines, U.S. coins. And they were different, you know, different years and things.

But today I'll have the little snack-sized Ziploc bags, and I'll date in time when it happens and where it happened and, you know, what the coin was. to this day I have a bag full of coins of all of these coins that have fallen

that have happened you know I don't really you know I've recently started recording audio recording digital audio recording after that happens to see if I could ask questions and see if I could get some

kind of response back I I've started evaluating and assessing, analyzing. The first recording, there was nothing that stood out, but I have three other recordings that I have to go through. There was some phenomenon that was observed with infrared cameras and also a thermal, forward-looking infrared camera,

captured footprints on the floor near where the coin was. And so, you know, it's really interesting to me. I was one of those children that was always so inquisitive with science and wondering what makes things work, what makes things tick, you know. I would get maybe a toy robot as a little boy for Christmas or whatever. And before the end of the day, I might be in the bedroom with a screwdriver, taking it apart to see how it goes together. probably getting myself in trouble too.

But I was always very inquisitive. So this paranormal stuff really, it was, I guess I was meant to do it because one, I wasn't afraid of it. And I always found it so interesting. You know, the audio recordings of voices of something that's not even there, but interacting with you answering questions.

questions in real time, you know, from something that's not visibly there, you know, UFOs. I've witnessed UFOs, things that I could not explain. I've now seen the thing that people refer to as Bigfoot, both with a naked eye and also using a night vision and a forward looking infrared thermal camera. I've seen this thing. And so again, like this thing that was running alongside my vehicle, I know these things exist now. I've seen it with my own eyes. Science might say, well, it's not possible.

That can't happen. And according to these theories and, you know, but I know there's more than what science can explain with our current knowledge and scientific theories and things like that. Because it does happen. It does have. Right. And I mean, you have endless amounts of cases where just as many inexplicable things have happened. I know you've encountered, like you said, UFOs, shadow entities, paranormal, skin walkers. Everything you can think of has happened in these regions. And it does sound like, Stan, that, you know, you said as a child, you were very inquisitive.

It sounds like these phenomena chose you. A lot of the times we think that we are the ones pursuing these phenomena. But in reality, it's almost as if they are the ones pursuing or choosing us to, I don't know, communicate with, try to understand. It's interesting. Well, John and I didn't go asking to be a part of that investigation. unit. And we didn't go searching for this. We don't consider ourselves Bigfoot hunters or ghost hunters or that kind of thing. We don't. We were put in a position to investigate that kind of stuff. And with an investigation, you go into it like a blank sheet of paper. You don't have any

bias and conclusions drawn before you go into that. You let that. You let that. evidence that you collect, whether it's photographs or in the case of the coins, actual physical objects, you collect that evidence and let the evidence speak for itself. All you're doing is compiling all of that and writing a report or typing a report afterward. What transpired? Your interviews and witness statements and all of that. And so John and I don't follow that. thought or ascribed to this idea of believing or not. As an investigator, you don't go into believing or, you know, that kind of mentality. You go in to collect the evidence and let that, you know, speak for itself.

And in this case, yeah, I didn't ask for this stuff, but like you said, maybe I was chosen by, a higher power or something else to, you know, I'm very open-minded. And I think that's a key, you know, in dealing with this kind of thing. Absolutely. Very interesting is all I can say. It is. Yeah, that's putting it lightly. Well, to sort of bring things up to, like, literally within the last few weeks, Stan, in the UFO world,

We learned of news that the, I believe they're called the Master Chiefs Association. So basically the chiefs of most police departments in the major cities throughout the United States, they've actually implemented a UFO slash UAP handbook to hand out to all of their officers. So now there's actually like a protocol within police departments. if they are to get reports of UFOs or literally witness UFOs themselves like you and John did throughout the years. So that's exciting.

It's gotten to that point where law enforcement is now getting involved. What do you make of that? Well, I think, you know, the government involvement in that has always been. You go back to times, even before the Roswell ends

or Corona incidents back in 1947, in the summer of 1947, where you had an alleged UFO crash with the government being involved and the military being involved in the collection of those craft. And I think it goes back even before then. You know, there's other countries around the globe that have had experiences with objects from the sky, crashing and in some instances living entities from those craft. And I think it's always been there. Throughout the United States, though, in law enforcement,

prior to this time that you're referring to, most agencies, when somebody would call about a UFO or something of that nature, they would get told that we don't deal with that kind of, of thing. You'll have to find help somewhere else. And that's why I think for my chief, he wasn't going to turn people away because he was adamant about the oath that you took as a law enforcement officer to help people and to protect people. And so even though it may have been a supernatural subject matter, you were still going to do. do your job.

And most other agencies at the time wouldn't, wouldn't even touch those kind of things. Yes, the officers would experience these things because the law enforcement officers are out there 24-7 in our communities. And they've witnessed these objects flying in the sky and things running across the road. And they do, they would, they would,

among officers, they would have these stories that they witness these things. But they would be very cautious about who they shared that with because of ridicule and just like airline pilots seeing UFOs throughout the years. They weren't afforded to talk about it because they would have a certain label put on them and they might be ridiculed and they might be forced out of a job. So it is good to see that there is a change where people are acknowledging that these phenomena do exist. Like I said, that you might read in my book is that, you know, these are things that happen, you know, and these are cases that I investigated and people that I experience. And a lot of this is their tales, you know, from their experiences.

I do know, like I mentioned earlier, a lot of these people I encountered in the investigations, almost all of them were on some level of shock or trauma in witnessing these things. I had a young teenage girl that was traumatized by seeing a Bigfoot. I had two younger girls preteen teenage years that witnessed a UFO, or not a UFO, Bigfoot, when they got off their school bus

and they had to walk from the school bus where they dropped off to their home, which was about a mile. And they were chased home by one of these Bigfoot things. And their uncle encountered them when they got home and they were traumatized. They couldn't even hardly talk until they finally got them to tell them what they had seen.

And he too witnessed this thing that people call Bigfoot. So interesting. It happened. Well, it, right. That idea of trauma that actually bleeds into kind of my last personal question for you, Stan, before we get to some listener questions. You pose these theories in the book as well. And one of them was, and I want to quote this from the book, there are man-made places in the world where turmoil pain and trauma have created paranormal hotspots.

So I'd love to know what you sort of meant by that theory. Do you personally think that we have created these paranormal hotspots or have they always been there? Is it a communion of both? I guess we could use Skinwalker Ranch as sort of the biggest example, but also throughout all of the Navajo Nation, obviously, with the numerous cases. and different types of phenomena that you experience. So I guess my question is, do we create the phenomena that we're observing or experiencing?

Like you had mentioned, the Unsolved Mysteries episode that John and I were part of, the Paranormal Ranger on Netflix, it kind of talks abroad, broad subject matter where John and I did investigations. So we

investigated a place called Satan Bude on the reservation where there was a lot of paranormal phenomenon in and around that particular case. And later on, it was noted that this was on the same longitude

as what is known as Sherman Ranch or Skinwalker Ranch. This was a ranch that was purchased by Bigelow, Robert Bigelow. It was investigated for years, the different types of phenomena, from a scientific example. And it was duly noted that there was really strange activity and paranormal phenomenon, supernatural phenomenon that was occurring on that ranch.

But you know, and I know, around the globe, let's say in the time of William Wallace in Scotland, the wars and tragedies that have occurred, you know, the civil war in the United States. And you look at these places and you look at the amount and loss of life in those particular really concentrated. traded locations. And I feel that each of us have what is referred to as a soul or life

force, a spirit. And if you take into consideration, this idea similar to some of the teachings like with Einstein, his theories and things that this idea

that energy doesn't disappear, that it only changes from one form to another form. And so our spirits, they may go on to another plane of existence after you leave the body, after it leaves the body, but it still exists. And from time to time,

these energies, like a spirit, human spirit, will cross over from some other plane into our physical world where we encounter things moving, like we made the coins happening, Bigfoot, people will see the Bigfoot and UFOs, all of these things. I think the commonality is the dimensions. There's string theory that talks about 10 or 11 different dimensions,

12, 12 dimensions. And I think all of these things are found in these different dimensions, almost like with their Navajo creation story, where they talk about different worlds and the Navajo people coming into the physical world that we live in today. And so I think there's something to these stories. I think it's more than stories. You look at the paintings on the cave walls and like on the Naval Reservation and in that region, the pictographs and petroglyphs that depict things, images like what people refer to as UFOs.

John and I had a good friend Clifford Mahoudi who was a Zuni elder. He's since passed on, but he was adamant. He was also a spiritual and medicine person. and he showed depictions of what looks like UFOs. And he said these are what Western society refers to as star people that have come from other galaxies and other locations, whether it's through dimensions or these portals or gates that exist, like in Sedona, Arizona, or whether they have a means of crossing all,

themselves. I don't think the Bigfoot, John and I have lived in the woods. I don't think the Bigfoot lives out there in the woods. I think it crosses over from some other dimension into our physical world. And whether UFOs and extraterrestrials or placing the Bigfoot here for some purpose, maybe to gather information or whatever and then retracting it back. Do you sort of ascribe to that idea that there's like a,

string theory to all of these different phenomena that UFOs could be connected to Bigfoot and the supernatural. Yeah, I guess, do you think they are all somehow connected if you zoom back far enough? Hey, everyone. Ryan Sprague here, host of Somewhere in the Skies. If you've ever thought about supporting us, we have great two easy options for you right now. If you listen to the show on Apple Podcasts, you can click the subscription. button at the top of your Apple feed. Or you can join our Patreon at patreon.com

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or even fathom the vastness of our universe. And I think these other forms of life are coming to our physical world for different reasons, whether there's minerals like uranium and things like that that are maybe scarce in the universe. And we've got plenty of that mineral, these different elements that exist here on this little planet that draws attention from far spaces out there in our universe

or other multiverse or other dimensions. And I think, yeah, I think that's the commonality. With indigenous peoples around the globe, there's a common thought that everything is interconnected. Everything is interconnected. Everything has the spirit. Everything has a life force. And I tend to follow along those lines that...

that even plants and trees and animals all have that interconnected spirit. I think that's why it's important that we as mankind, we're the stewards of this planet. We need to come together and get beyond our differences and try to respect each other and quit fighting and warring and killing and raping and murdering. And we need to get beyond all that. That's a very rudimentary Neanderthal type of thinking, you know, to fight. The thinking, fighting is the only way to solve things. Our creator gave us a mind, a brain, and ability to reason. We need to come together.

You and I live across the globe, but you and I are friends and have developed our friendship. and why can't, if you and I can't be really good friends, then why can't the world develop a friendship instead of being adversaries, you know? Very, very well, well spoken, for sure, Stan. I couldn't agree more with you on that. I do consider you, not just a colleague, but a friend. And that goes for Clifford, Lake Clifford, Mahoudi, as well. I had the amazing opportunity to go to Phoenix and hike up into the hills there where the

Phoenix lights took place. And he was able to show me those petroglyphs. And we spent hours going over that and the star people. It was an experience I will never forget. And I bring that up only stand because it actually kind of leads into our first listener question. Is it cool if we get a few of those questions from our listeners and viewers? Sure, yeah. We wouldn't be anywhere without our listeners, so. That's so true. Neither of us would be here right now.

That's very true. So, you know, I mentioned Clifford and the Phoenix Lights. These orb phenomena or, you know, lightballs or foo fighters, they called them back in World War II. We see these in the paranormal world as well. One of our Patreon subscribers, they get priority to ask our guests' questions. Super Chuck Liz is this person's handle on Patreon. And they ask, Stan, does your new book talk about orbs or balls of light?

And have you ever experienced them? And what do the Navajo have to say about the orbs? Well, one must understand that orbs are a phenomenon that actually occurs across the board with these other types of phenomenon. It's commonly spoke of in relation to witchcraft and the shape-shifting. Orbs occur, you know, like you said, the foo fighters that were described. During World War II, I believe, by the fighter pilots, making reference to these glowing or glowing objects that could zip around their fighter aircraft,

fixed-wing aircraft. Hauntings, there are orbs that appear, you know, in relation to spirit activity. They're even known and seen and witnessed involving this thing people refer to as Bigfoot. So, orbs aren't unique to one single type of phenomenon. There's a lot. If you consider, even like the shapeshifter, like what I see,

around the globe, you'll have references to something very similar to that. I mean, in Europe, there are cultures that talk of lycanthropy or werewolves. It isn't just something from

motion picture from the movies. It's something that is very real to them that exists within their cultures. There are this thing that people refer to as a rake rakee this form of humanoid that's sometimes taller than a human being and and so there's there's a lot of these different references the bigfoot you know the bigfoot's not you know it's found in the himalayas you know uh the yeti the yaoi in australia uh the swamp ape down in southern united States and the Bigfoot and Sasquatch and some of the around other parts of the culture.

So I think these things are throughout the world. It's not exclusive to one spot on our planet, these different phenomena. UFOs are seen around the world. There's been sightings of these things landing in African, Australia, and everywhere, you know, on the reservation. But with the particular to this question, I think I do make some references to these orbs, a corbs occurring, you know, at times. But I think you'll find them, orbs with all of the other phenomena and supernatural

experiences that happen. Right. Yeah. I do tend to agree. that they seem to be somewhat involved with all of this. So you truly have to wonder why, which is a question we will continue to ask. I guess sort of staying in the realm of the supernatural stand.

You know, I'm mostly known as a UFO researcher. That's what my podcast is primarily about. The books I've written, the TV shows I've done with all of it. However, currently I'm doing a ghost hunting show in Canada, and I will be going on my third season of investigating these haunted locations in Nova Scotia specifically. And I'd always heard of the hitchhiker effect when it came to, you know,

Skinwalker Ranch and places like that of something following. you something coming home. And I wouldn't say I didn't believe in it. I just, I had no personal experience with it. However, now that I've been going to these haunted locations and have been possibly communicating with something supernatural, I have had extremely unsettling, reoccurring experiences. Yeah.

Since I left Nova Scotia with the same apparition phenomenon entity, I don't know what to actually call it. And this ties into our next Patreon question. Suzanne asks, we've learned about the hitchhiker effect at these paranormal hotspots. Besides, you did mention the coins, that entire sort of thing. Have you ever personally experienced other hitchhiker phenomenon? in your investigations with John throughout the years? That occurs. It's quite

common for these different energies and entities to try to form a bond with a living person. I think in a lot of the haunting cases, I think a lot of these spirits

don't, there's no comprehension or cognitive thought that they are dead, that they're out of this physical body. They don't know they've passed over. And so a lot of times they'll make that connection with another person, and they'll attach to that individual, cling on to that individual for whatever reason. And so one of the thing that John and I do teach is that when it comes to self-protection and guarding yourself from those negative energies,

we recommend that each person goes back and looks within their own heritage or their own. own culture and see what it is that they did in the past to protect themselves. You know, natives are known Native Americans and First Nations peoples and peoples indigenous to Mexico in place are commonly known to smudge, burning sage and cedar and plains Native Americans use sweet grass, that act of burning those things is a form of, let's say, incense. Just like within the Catholic Church, when the priest is swinging the urn as he walks through the Catholic Church down the aisle with the smoke of the incense. What that does is it dissipates the negative ions, so it carries that,

electrical charge that's present, it carries it away. So you're dissipating that negative energy. And if there's a spirit force that's there, you're basically removing that negative energy from either the space or from a person. You can bless yourself and with these different things. But go back and look into your culture and see what's there, because even the use of sea salt and different types of salt are very powerful in ridding your space and your person of those energies

that tend to try to collect and attach to you. I look at it. I call it, I've made a word called smudge bath. So it's almost, you and I get up in the morning, we brush our teeth, we take a shower, wash our hair, we practice bodily hygiene, you know, to keep our person clean. But you need to do the same thing spiritually. So you need to use these different techniques of removing those energies. Because we might be out each day going to the grocery store, going to the bank, whatever.

we can encounter very negative people, people that we would refer to as toxic, that have a negative mentality. And those energies can attach to us just during the course of our regular day. And we have to rid that, rid that, those negative energy, either through meditation and incense and smudging and blessing and all of these things. you know, to get rid of that. We need to do it on a regular basis because, you know, we encounter that as human beings in our daily lives. Interesting. Yeah. I forgot what the question was.

Well, not at all. Having to do with the, no, first of all, I appreciate you giving that advice. That's extremely beneficial to me personally. the hitchhiker effect, you know, other than the coin incident, have you ever had any other hitchhiker phenomena personally or that you can remember John had or anything like that? It's quite common, actually, when you're dealing in this subject matter, the things that you and I are doing,

where you're going to these spaces where there is a lot of turmoil and spiritual activity on different levels. that can make these attachments. You know, again, it's the energy that's there that's present. And so you have to clear your home. I would say if you're going to, if you're having these experiences, one, you've got to be careful about objects that you bring into your home. Because objects rocks, things from the past,

things that you get at the flea market, You've got to be careful about those kind of things because somebody, that was important to somebody at one point. That was very valuable or very sentimental to them. And here you bought it at the flea market and brought it into your house. Well, you have to clear that energy from those objects before bringing it into your home. Crystals, you know, a crystal that somebody, like a quartz crystal, somebody has had before you can retain memories and emotions and all of that. within that device because it is a device. It's a very powerful device,

just like what Clifford Mahoudi could have established. But you've got to be careful about those things because you'll bring them into your home and then you'll start experiencing noises and things moving and things like that. And it's because of these things. You've got to make sure that start from the inside of the house. Well, start with yourself.

And then start with the inside of the home, the rooms go room by room, making sure there's nothing there that can have attachments. And then go on the outside of the home, if it's possible, putting coarse salt in a, you know, completely around the entire perimeter of the home. So it repels those negative energies. You can use holy water. If you can't use burning incense, you can use holy water. And you can make your own, in a way, holy water, spiritual water,

by taking a container of water, a glass of water, and praying over that water, meditating over that water, and putting the intention into that water. All of these things that you do require the intent, You can't just go through the motions of blessing things. And if your mind, if you're not, intention isn't there. That's the key to these things. You have to have the intention in your mind that you're going to clear that space of the negative energy.

And so very important. Absolutely. Intent. That's such a perfect word. for this next question. Our next Patreon subscriber, John, he asks, intent. When it comes to ghosts, Bigfoot, UFOs, aliens,

do you think that there are malevolent intent with these phenomena and benevolent? Or is it one or the other, Stan? Or what are we dealing with when it comes to intent from all these various, possibly connected phenomena. When you look at other cultures that have existed for thousands of years, you look at the Chinese culture, and you look at teachings like Yin Yang, the Yin and Yang, where you have polar opposites of each other,

and this philosophy that with good, you'll also have the negative. with the positive, you'll have the negative. I mean, pick up a 9-volt battery, you know, it's going to have polar opposites. Any type of dry cell battery, you know, duracel battery, it's going to have those polar opposites. And I think in the universe, in our universe, you can't have that exists. You can't have one without the other. It's not possible. Some people will have this idea because of religion that we want a space,

like what's described and commonly described as heaven, where it's all positive, there's no negative. But if you look at the earth, you look at humanity throughout man's history, you've always had positive and negative. you can't have one without the other and and so

I think you know you look at Native Americans like a North American continent when Western or European man became coming to the North American continent encountering indigenous

peoples they came for different reasons. You know, at the time of Ponsaday Leon and Christopher Columbus and all of the various explorers that ended up

on North America, they came for different reasons. Some came for religion, some came for gold, some came for the fountain of youth. There was a lot of different reasons.

Well, I think extraterrestrial comes to this planet for a lot of different reasons. I think they come for a lot of different reasons. And I think if you consider how vast our universe is, I think you're going to have all different types, which I think our government has cataloged a lot of different visitations of extraterrestrial. everything from the little three, excuse me, three foot gray alien,

you know, with the big black eyes and that's commonly depicted. Right. To taller versions, eight foot versions of that same kind of thing. The Nordics, you know, that look like human beings with pale white skin.

And then you have reptilian descriptions of extraterrestrial and even, more these images that depicted in Alien, the movie, you know, of these things that want to kill or eat man,

you know, which, you know, I don't, I think you have a wide spectrum of both, you know, some of them come for good, some of them come for bad. And I think we haven't really encountered a whole lot of the yet and but it could be coming we need to be aware of that you know yeah just like what's depicted in

in television like Star Trek you know the clingons and in the different species like it star wars and things like that some of them are warring and some of them are philanthropic and want to help man and doesn't want man to destroy himself and that kind of thing, but there's one point that I do want to bring up

that was talked about earlier was this idea of the coins. If coins can materialize in our physical world from some other space or some other plane of existence,

into our physical world, then this idea, like what is depicted in the television series Star Trek, where a person will teleport from a spacecraft or some type of craft or object down to a planet or whatever, and then they'll materialize back. Then the coin phenomenon is really that same kind of thing, where you have an object that's teleporting from one space from to and from. And so again, I find that very, very interesting,

and it really changed how I view the universe and these phenomena. Interesting. Yeah, because if you look at some things like quantum physics or, or whatever, dark matter, stuff like that, it kind of lends some, I guess, scientific weight to things like apparitions or aliens being able to travel to our planet. I always like the idea that when we see a ghost, they're just as surprised as we are, Stan.

Like, it's literally just a time slip. or a bending of time and space where we've just accidentally caught a glimpse of one another. It's not like they're coming to scare us. It's literally, you know, you're driving down the highway and you look out your window and you see the person driving next to you and you're kind of like, hey, how's it going? Good. How are you doing?

Didn't expect to see you there. So that's kind of how I look at it. I don't know. If you consider, you know, we get out on the roadway and we're driving an automobile. We, and I've had this experience where I've had spirit appear within the car or automobile I'm in. And if you're considering when you're driving, you're passing through these landmarks all the time. And so we can be, we can have those experiences even in an automobile as we're traveling. So I had an experience one time in a haunting case where on a digital recorder, I captured a voice where there was nobody else in that space.

There was a woman's voice that she clearly says, guess what? and the accent ended up being, it was a woman's voice and she was Scottish. When I went to Scotland and played that recording for some of the people I encountered, they knew the dialect that this woman spoke and where it came from. And how that came to be within the space there on the Navajo reservation in one of the office buildings and stuff. I don't know how that happened, but it did happen. Wow.

And so it again, a lot of this stuff, you end up with more questions than you have answers. It just leads. As you get in and investigate this, you just end up with more and more questions, you know. It's pretty amazing, you know. Life is amazing. Life is amazing. Exactly. It's frustratingly beautiful.

That's how I often look at it, Stan is, you know, I don't think we're ever going to get the answers to all of these things. And I don't think we're meant to, you know, living in the mystery is the most beautiful part of it. I agree there. Just what you said. Yeah. I think some of these things, again, the human brain has its limitations with understanding and experiencing those things that are around us within our. our world. What we've learned from the time we were born, birth, till now, we have all of those experiences that we've encountered, all of the material we've read in school, everything we've studied, the internet, that collective consciousness within the human brain. But I think that it's very limited. When you, the vastness of the universe, there's things that, you, that exists that's so far beyond the human comprehension. And maybe these other entities, you know, we observe some of these craft that

are traveling along in one direction and make a 90-degree angle in another direction. And our brain can't wrap around how it's doing that, you know. And but to these other species, it may be nothing as far as comprehension and understanding of these things. And there's so much out there, I don't think, like you said, I don't think some of this were meant to fully understand. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We'll see. We'll see. So Hallowed Bear on Twitter asks, what's one thing you wish non-Indigenous people understood about indigenous spirituality and the paranormal that isn't commonly discussed? Well, One thing that I see very common in Western non-native and non-inigenous thought is the reliance on materialism and the focus on material things and wealth.

To me, that's just an illusion. The material things that we have, the turquoise and turquoise. boys ring. These are used for protection purposes, but the wealth side of that, when we die, when we pass on, we can't take any of these material things with this. You know, we can't take the digital watch that we're wearing with us. We can't. And so I think in today's society, there's much too much of a focus on material gain and wealth to the point that we cause wars over these kind of things. You know, we create, you know,

you look at the disparity in the United States right now between political parties. And to me, that's, gosh, that's such a shame. That's not how this. country was founded. That is not how this country was, and how it was created in, you know, a, having a, now the word democratic is, is a bad word, but it means that everybody has an equal input to our society. And if you have a different perspective, I respect that.

I respect that you have a different opinion. Not that I demonize you because you don't think like I do, you know. And we've seen the results of that in history. We look at the Nazi regime under Hitler and what that caused among his own people and the terror. and trauma and the Holocaust and everything that came out of that. And trying to get everybody to be just exactly like you. Wear the same clothing. We have the same haircuts, same hair color, same eye color.

That would be such a boring life. You look at the world, and I think that's the blessing of the human race from our creator. The differences. You know, you go to a place like Los Angeles or San Francisco or New York. You look at all of the different cultures, the different foods, the different language and music. And that's the beauty of mankind is our differences. We need to shake hands with each other and learn to respect each other. Follow the golden rule that's found in most religions.

Follow that golden rule. Do unto others as how we want to be treated. Treat others how we want to be treated. It's that very simple. Have a little respect for your fellow man. Don't rely on greed and gluttony and having a house with 20, 30 rooms that you're never going to spend time in

anyway, having 20 cars that you'll never drive, you know, that's not what is important. What's important is developing friendships like what you and I have, sharing insights and information and compassion and love with your fellow man. You know, that's what's the most important thing, I think. Absolutely. I mean, if we can't get along with our fellow man, woman, animal plant, then how are we never going to, you know, be a part of something bigger when it comes to the supernatural or extraterrestrials. I could not agree more, Stan. That's a beautiful way for you to put it.

Well, okay, here is our last sort of question. Well, last two questions, because we want to know where to get the book, obviously. But it has to do with that, Stan. With the paranormal Ranger, your book that is about to release when this interview comes out. What do you hope people will take away from this book? Having written three books of my own at this point, I know it's no easy feat and a lot of blood, sweat, and tears and insight goes into it. What do you hope the readers will take away from the paranormal Ranger? And yeah, what do you hope they will embrace when it comes to this book. I think we need to realize that our world and our universe is much greater than we can ever comprehend that there is life beyond what is here on earth and we need to be respectful of

that other life. You know, I think that there was one time when John and I, John Dover, and I were presenting the paranormal ranger information in a town called Dulce, New Mexico, which is known for its UFO activity and Bigfoot activity. At the end of our presentation, there was this elderly native woman who came up to Jonathan Dover. She had to be in her 80s. and she came up to us with tears in her eyes and she hugged us. She just came up straight up to us and hugged us.

And she said, thank you for doing what you do because you allow people to understand that this stuff is real, that it does happen. And she went on to convey this story when she was a young girl, she encountered a UFO.

And she had carried that experience all of her life. And her relatives, her children and grandchildren were standing around her. She went on to talk about that experience. And they were standing there with their mouth wide open in shock. Because she had never shared that experience of that UFO encounter all her life. And here she was in her mid-80s. and she had tears flowing out of her eyes and she said,

thank you for doing what you do because you allow me to come to a place where people know, she knows that this experience was real and that she wasn't crazy. So I think taking away from that, I think that's the big thing is that

I think you could travel around the globe and no matter where you're, went, you couldn't find a single family, a single family that does not have one family member somewhere in their family tree that has not had some sort of supernatural or paranormal, some type of UFO experience. I don't think you can find any family like that. It's universal on this planet. And I think my sister, Deborah, has the saying that paranormal is normal.

And I tend to follow her, thought that these things, man came along on this planet, and we've inherited a paranormal world. These things existed long before we ever traipsed across this planet. And they will probably after we're no longer here on this planet. You know, but I think that's the important thing. Learn to have respect for each other, regardless of the color of our skin. You know, that's not what it's important. You know, it's more about the cultures and the teachings and respect for each other that we should have.

We're all brothers. We're all mankind. We're all from this one blue little marble that's floating around out there in space. Absolutely. We've inherited a paranormal world. There's no better way to end this conversation, honestly. That's perfect. But I do have to ask, where and when can we find your book, The Paranormal Ranger, if you don't mind telling us. Sure. So if you can, whatever search engine you use, you can go on and look, for the paranormal ranger.

This particular book's title is The Paranormal Ranger. A naval investigator search for the unexplained. And so this is the cover. You know, it has a picture of Monument Valley in the background and my patrol unit. And so you can actually, it was published by Harper Collins Publishing.

But it's awesome. And William Morris Publishing. But it'll you'll be able to find it. You can go to Harper Collins' website and you can purchase the book. It'll be

I know throughout the United States, it'll be everywhere. Your places and stores like Walmart and Target and these other stores like that. Amazon, you know, online.

Barnes & Noble, you'll be able to find it everywhere. So October 1st is when it officially is released to the public. And there will be, what I have is the hardback, hard copy book. But there will be soft cover books. There will be audio books. I just finished recording the audio book on my portion. reading part of the audio book, e-book. So there'll be digital versions of it.

It'll be everywhere. So you just have to look for the paranormal ranger. It will not be hard to find, Stan. It was a beautiful book. I've seen a bunch of advanced reviews already, up on Goodreads, up on Amazon, and it's been nothing but stellar reviews. So I have to. thank you for writing this book for people like that Native American elder and for people like me

and those who have seen UFOs. So yeah, this was an absolutely fascinating conversation. So I want to thank you once again for coming on somewhere in the skies and telling us all about it. So thank you. You're very welcome. I do feel we are at a point in our history. that there is an awakening, sort of speak, of mankind and these phenomena. We're coming to realize that this isn't just make-believe, this isn't just fantasy. These experiences do happen.

We may not always be able to explain it, but the paranormal is out there. I love that. I love that. Thank you, Stan. Thank you again for coming on. Anytime. This has been a production of Lines, Lionsgate sound. Please rate, review, and subscribe wherever possible. Thank you for listening.

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