Somewhere in the Skies - This UAP Conference Could Change Everything (w/ Rich Hoffman)

Episode Date: June 29, 2026

Ryan is joined by longtime UFO researcher, defense contractor, and Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU) board member Rich Hoffman for an in-depth conversation covering the past, present, and future of UAP research. He shares how an eighth-grade science assignment launched a lifetime of investigations that would eventually bring him into contact with Project Blue Book personnel, Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Stanton Friedman, and many of the pioneers who shaped modern ufology. The discussion explores Hoffman's work with MUFON's STAR Team, his decades supporting the U.S. Army and defense technology programs, the creation of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies, and why collaboration between scientists, governments, and civilian researchers is more important than ever. They also dive into the upcoming SCU Conference in Toronto, the Aguadilla UAP investigation, advances in AI and UAP detection, the latest War.gov document releases, and whether humanity is any closer to genuine disclosure. Learn more about the SCU Conference at: https://www.explorescu.org/ Join us at ANOMACON on September 12th: http://www.anomacon.com Send us a voicemail: https://www.speakpipe.com/SomewhereSkiesPod Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ Substack: https://ryansprague.substack.com/ All socials and books: https://linktr.ee/somewhereskiespod Email: [e-mail] Opening theme song by Septembryo Closing song by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2026 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #UAP #UAPconference #SCU #Science #UFOs #Aliens #Government Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I know. We were talking off air. Our ships have crossed so many times, and we just weren't able to make it happen. But I couldn't think of a better time, Rich. And I want to kind of dive into that a little later with you of where we are now in the UFO landscape, UFO. conversation because gosh, I know you've been doing this for a while.

Even I've been doing this for almost 25 years now at this point. And it was not like it is today. So exciting in many different ways, for sure, as we'll dig into. But I'd like to start from the beginning. Now, I know a lot of our viewers and listeners probably know you from the proof is out there. and all of the lectures and stuff that you've done throughout the years and your work with Mufon and SCU, and we'll get into all that.

But I want to go back to the very beginning, your Peter Parker moment when you got bit by the spider, it became the superhero UFO researcher you are. So, yeah, what kind of got you on this path, interested in UFOs and everything? Well, it's a little bit unorthodox in the sense that it's not like I had a sighting, And then that's what convinced me. It was a situation where for me, it was like I had an eighth grade science class,

and I was late to the class, and the teacher had passed out a list of topics. You had to choose to do a 10-minute presentation on, right? So 10-minute, wow, I got to get up and do a 10-minute presentation. I don't know if I'd be able to do that. Anyway, the only thing that was on the list that nobody put their name next to was the thing could UFOs. And I had no idea what I put my name mixed to. And I went up after the class and I asked my teacher, my eighth grade science teacher. I said, what is a UFO?

And he said, unidentified flying object. I said, well, what's that? You know? And he said something like the effect, well, you ever seen flying saucers or stuff like that on TV or something? I said, yeah, I've heard of flying saucers. But that's kind of like science fiction, isn't it? You know, it's like, no, what do you mean? Anyway, he told me, just go on and do your study and research and come back and do your 10 minutes.

Well, I kind of like just blew it off. I think I might have looked up something. I ended up finding probably a book like My Trip to Venus or something like that. Oh, wow. You know, and then I talked about, you know, that some people believe that they're seeing things and, you know, that there's really probably nothing to it, you know, and it's more like science fictiony time. Anyway, I just bombed my way through the entire subject. And then my teacher who knew a lot about it, and that's why he probably put it on the list,

started asking questions. It's like, well, what about jet pursuits and them shooting at them? I'm going like, what, you know, what book did you read? Anyway, I got a D on the report. You know, at least he didn't fail me, but at least the fact that I got up and did it, you know, was sufficient. And so I did that. And then I went home that evening and Walter Conkite was on the news talking about the Lonnie Zamora case in April 24th, 1964. And if you know that story, but it was

allegedly this police officer, you know, sees these two small beings next to a craft and the craft shoots up. And there was some scorched areas and stuff like that in the in the sage and stuff like that. It was like there were footprints and going to like, wow, that was curious, you know, that something like that happened in that, you know, and here's a, sounds pretty official to me and like it's legit. And a couple days later, my aunt was going into a bookstore downtown and I went with her. And I went up and I asked the agent behind the counter. I said, well, you know, do you have any books on UFOs? And they said, yeah, there's something over here. And they pointed me over.

And the book was the report on unidentified flying objects by former Project Blue Book lead, Captain Edward Rupelt, right? And so I'm now, the first sentence in the book is about them shooting at an object. I'm going like, that must have been the book that my teacher read. Yeah. Anyway, I read it from front to back. I became obsessed. I might have read it maybe 10 times front to back.

I just, I was like, wow, this is incredible. But the most significant thing for me was I was living at Dayton, Ohio, and right up the road was Project Blue Book was, which is where the Project Blue Book was, right? So I'm thinking like, wow, this is right here in the city of Dayton, Ohio. And, you know, I just became now, as an eighth grader, I became obsessed with the whole topic. I just, I couldn't get enough of it. I was doing newspaper clippings. I was finding any magazine articles I could. I got as many books as I could. probably fine on the topic and you know just began collecting i got you know like everything i can find on the subject and then the next thing i know uh i i began talking around the city of dayton and giving lectures on the topic as if you know like i think i was about the 15 years old at the time oh my god and i'm now i'm i'm approaching adult groups you know like the certomas club the lions Club and everybody else talking about the subject of UFOs. And, you know, then I had a situation where I got a call from a producer at the local TV

station. And it was the producer for Phil Donahue. And so I ended up being on a Phil Donahue's show at age 15 talking about the subject of UFOs. Wow. Well, I became the UFO guy in Dayton, Ohio pretty quickly. I mean, he's the guy you go to. So now I find myself being called day or night about going out and checking on somebody's sighting.

And I'm going like, well, I still have school to do. But after school, I would be going out and doing investigations based. And then knowing how to do an investigation. I found out about the Air Force report forms. I used an Air Force report form to be able to do it. It just snowballed. I was now going out and doing a lot of investigations. around the 1965 because there was a flap going on.

And in 1973, we had another flap. And so I became overwhelmed with just doing this, and I had to get other people doing it. So I started training classes in my garage, of all things, to teach people how to help me to do investigations. And we went on from there, grew. I became a part of the Ohio UFO Investigators League. It's an organization.

I was the director of investigations for them. I found out about an organization that was in Sagina, Illinois. It was called the Midwest UFO Network, which later became the mutual UFO network. And I joined them and I became the state section director around Dayton. And now I'm in charge of all investigations for that area. And then, you know, I just kept snowball. you know from there so I've been at this for now 62 years and and in fact the other wild thing Ryan is a lot of people aren't you know we're not aware of it but I would be out on a case and I

would have a blue book guy doing the same case and so really we would connect notes you know and say well what do you think about that what do you think about this and then I got hooked into the people at the base doing Project Bluebook so I actually now got to go and meet some of the people at Project Blue Book as well. And we just kept in touch. In fact, I got a, they, I was given a phone number that I could call up, uh, the radar approach control on cases I'd be on. And they would confirm it whether there's any aircraft or something in the area. So now I've got the Air Force working with, with me on that stuff. And so it was really wild. Just a wild ride. Yeah, just running like parallel with Project Blue Book

Investigators. That must have been Oh my gosh, I can't even imagine. Did you ever get to meet Hynick? I got to ask. Oh, yeah. I mean, he would come to date. I went to his lectures in Dayton, Ohio that he did. I got to meet him. And then I also ended up going up to his house twice. And when he moved to Evanston, Illinois. So I was up there

I met him and Mimi Hinek, his wife and stuff like that. And in fact, Mark Rodiger was there. one time and so i met him he's now the you know the lead for center for UFO studies and took over the lead for that but bottom line is i you know and then i stanton freedman was in the area in town talking and i would i would run across stanton when he would be in town and uh you know i went up for the uh the debriefing of the larry coin case that was the helicopter case in oh right in ohio uh and you know i just got to know all these different people that that are now of course the old leaders of, and of course I'm the old leader now,

I tell you guys, I've got like right here to prove it. But, you know, bottom line is like, you know, it just became connected to all these different people. And then I started going to the Mufon conferences and stuff like that. And then in 1978, I actually had the Mufon conference in Dayton, Ohio. And we had about 3,000 people that came to that conference. And that was the one that I had Hinex speaking. I had Donald Kehoe speaking.

I had Leonard Stringfield speaking at. There was a Ray Blocher was there, and just a whole host of other people, and it was an incredible conference. That's at the time of the Close Encounters movie. So we actually played clips from the mothership coming in and stuff like that. It was awesome. It was an awesome time.

Yeah. That's incredible, man. Okay, well, so you mentioned the evolution of your UFO. investigations is astounding to be honest and that led you to working with Mufon and I got to ask because I was I was going through your resume when it came to Mufon and you worked with the star team and that that's an interesting kind of thing I became the well first off let me explain I was the state director for Alabama and Mississippi okay so I ran investigations in the two states and then I talked to Jan Aldrich who told me that he'd like to make me the deputy investigations.

So I was like the number two guy for all investigations across in Mupon. And so I became the deputy director of investigations. But that also, he wanted me to be the start team manager. So I became the start team manager, which now was like taking and looking at getting all the start team players to be able to go out and, you know, do it. a big time immediate study of any kind of like, you know, objects that were out there or if there was a landing, you're going to be on site within 24 hours and be out there doing the collections and stuff like that. So I kind of like ran the start team as well. And then I kind of like

got out of the investigations realm and became the director of special projects. And let me clarify that what that was, it was about bringing technology. into our actually study. We were dealing with the fact that, you know, investigators would show up after the sighting happened. And now you're talking about a past event. And it was important for us to get on the front side of that and start to get technology tools out

to where we could actually have them at hotspots or do something with them in the context of collecting data. And so that was what I did as the deputy director of special projects as well. Okay. No, are there any, I know a lot of these cases are confidential in terms of like where they happened, names and dates and stuff like that sometimes. But any cases that really stick out to you when you were working with and for the star team

that you are like your most memorable ones? Yeah, well, I think that the one to me that stands out the moment, I call this my aha moment, okay? Okay. I had not seen any object or something like that. And so I didn't have the luxury of having a UFO observation like, you know, a lot of people did and stuff like that. But anyway, I was out looking at a case in which there were UFOs the night before. And what you had was a situation where a farmer was looking out of his house and seeing that there was like a 70-foot area in the middle of his wheat crop that's completely,

gone. It's it's gone. There's no and it's a perfect circle, right? And so he basically called us up. We immediately got a team out and basically started to do all the measurements and checking out and plotting it and you find that in the middle there was a central depression and as you get

out from that, you know, and then you start to see. And by the way, there's no roots of the wheat two feet into the ground. And so it's like, what is it been vaporized or something like that? Where did all the wheat go? You'd have no evidence of the wheat that was there where it was. And you're then looking and you see a swirl pattern kind of like of a stub that's up out of the ground. And then out of steady foot in diameter area, there's a puffed wheat.

The weed actually had been heated to the point where it puffed. And you're going like, okay. And you're looking around and there's no evidence of anything, you know, heavy equipment. coming in there's no none of the other wheat in the middle of the field was was damaged and you're looking up you know the only thing that it could do is come from above right yeah and so you're saying well okay that's pretty weird and you and you find microwave like radiation and stuff like that and some of our measures uh anyway it it was just the an incredibly bizarre case and i you know it just made me aware that there is legitimately something again too that

this and at that point I didn't even have to see one to believe it it is to me it's a situation where I'm standing in this field and I'm saying I believe it now you know I can see that and so you know that that's my aha moment that I talk about the most often and again it's just a weird very weird experience to be standing there and you're going like you know you're just in shock you know something like that could happen and yet it did you know right Wow, that is definitely an aha moment if I've heard one for sure. So I want to talk before we get to current day with the SCU. Oh, yeah.

You've had a lot of experience with defense contractor work, spaceflight centers as well. Tell us a little about that, if you don't mind, and how that kind of probably, I would assume, butted up against your UFO work in some ways as well. Can you tell us a little about that? Sure, no problem. When I was living, I left Dayton, Ohio and moved to the D, kind of ended up in the D.C. area. And I started to go to work for what's called the Army Material Command. And if you look back and you find out where Project Blue Book was, it was called, it was within the Air Force Material Command.

I became interested in seeing if I could get into defense to basically see if I could learn anything about the subject of UFOs. In fact, I always had this like dream, if you would, that I wanted to be in charge of the UFO investigations and stuff like that. Yeah. I thought that would be a really cool thing to do, right? So anyway, I got in as a contractor and I began teaching,

I was in the IT field. So I was actually teaching them how to use Windows and everything else. You know, it was a new thing coming out, Windows. Wow. You know, and so I ended up teaching them how to do that and then I became the help desk manager people would see the fact that I was you know my my offices were decked out with UFO paraphernalia you know and

because I was a contractor it's not like you know that that people like I wasn't actually a civilian in it but I was like doing all this IT work and I was a contractor and so consequently people would come up to me and tell me their stories and so I would have all these people walking up and telling their individual stories and stuff like that quietly. And I learned a lot from them in terms about what happens in some of the exercises that people were at. They would see triangular-shaped craft or they would be, and that would be watching what

they were doing in the exercise. I'd be like, wow, that's pretty incredible. And then other kind of encounters that people were having and stuff like that. So again, I knew that a lot of these people that were civilians and stuff like that and military were reluctant to talk about it, but they saw me as. somebody they could talk to. And so anyway, I did that for a long time. I worked with the Army Material Command for like 30 years and just retired with them,

or at least from them, working with my companies that I've been of all the, I was in 10 companies during the contract period. And so anyway, it's kind of like a wild story, but bottom line is I never had any, They actually jokingly called me the command euthologist. So anyway, something would come up and people would ask me, well, what do you think about this? Rich, what do you think about that? And so I, and then as I'm just about ready to retire last year, I actually got placed into, you remember all those New Jersey drones, right?

Yeah. All right. So I'm working with the Department of Defense now and the Army on, actually implementing drone killing devices. So we were already putting out sensors on a critical military basis that would detect the objects or the drones if they were coming into our perimeters because we were having that going on. There were a lot of perimeter breaches from drones,

people flying drones in and stuff like that. So we needed to be able to detect them and put them in our perimeter and also then have the means of knocking them out of the sky or finding out where the operator is and stuff like that. So we were starting to do that. And probably right now, it's probably all at our critical basis by now. But anyway, they're putting those drone killing devices out. Well, that would be a great opportunity for you to be able to detect.

If you couldn't knock it on sky, that it might be actual UFO, as opposed to a drone, right? And, you know, people are mixing drones and UFOs. And that's been a really wild thing. But anyway, that's kind of like what I got involved with. And I'm, of course, I'm a drone pilot. So I was very curious about where we're going with the advancement of drones. And I got to actually see a lot of briefings and stuff like that of where our military organizations are actually putting and building drones that could do this or that or drone killing devices that could do this or that. And it just, it was really interesting.

And sadly, I had to retire, but I needed to get out of it. But anyway, it was a cool subject to get into. Yeah. It's so fascinating how you've been able to kind of this running theme of trying to pursue the truth of UFOs. Yeah. And, you know, the paths you took with your career choices, you know. Yeah. I just find that so cool.

Like, that's the only way, you know, they say if you want to change. something, you got to do it from the inside. So I love that. So the other thing, Ryan, was really cool, was that all of our SCU conferences that we had were being held right outside the gate of the Redstone Arsenal here in town. So I intentionally did that so that we could actually start to get people from the base who were either at Marshall Space Flight Center or, you know, at some of the other facilities and stuff like that on the post to actually attend our conference.

And it worked because we saw. started getting a whole bunch of military people that were coming in and learning about and opening up about the subject. Again, yeah, yeah. And I think that's, again, sort of vitally important. And we'll talk about that with the SCU conference coming up because it's literally trying to converge science with government or with military to try to understand these things and share data and all this stuff.

So I guess that does kind of bring us up to. today, Rich. I want to give our audience kind of the teaser of what to expect with this upcoming SCU conference. But before we do that, let's break down what SCU is. We didn't even do that yet. You went from Mufon to SCU. A lot of things in between, a lot of things before and after. But yeah, what is the scientific coalition for UAP Stowe's? How'd that all start? It's kind of started.

If you recall the Aguadilla Puerto Rico video, right? So we were at a Mufon conference and Morgan Bell brought in and showed us a video clip of this object that was in Aguadilla that was an incredible. It was military, you know,

a military system, which was a very advanced camera and stuff like that, showing this object moving into Aguadia and it looked like it went out into the water and they came up and splits in the two. And we're like, wow, what is that? And it was rare for us to see anything in any kind of like, you know, in infrared. And so this is actually in infrared.

And you're like saying like, well, this is interesting because it's showing what the heat sources are around the object. It's showing that. And we just don't see that. You know, we always see the blurry pictures that people do in the visible range with their cameras and everything else and stuff like that. But this is our first look at infrared. And so we decided that we needed to break this down

and look at every single frame. It had 7,027 frames to it, each individual pictures. And then we also went down to the level of looking at individual pixels to be able to measure speed, distance, size, anything we could get. And we just took about a year and a half of doing just that, analyzing the heck out of this thing. We contacted about seeing if we could get the radar. And we finally did get the FAA to release radar from one station that was then in

near southern Puerto Rico. And so it showed, even when we looked at it, it showed an object that was out in the water just north of where the airport is. is and it was moving around and doing herky-jurkey-jurkey motions it would be over here one minute then it would be over here the next sweep that would happen over here it was doing all these kind of emotions and even the speed of where it went from one place to another was already about a thousand miles an hour i mean it was doing what it was doing and it was like you're going like well what the heck is that and you we had 50 hits of this strange object north of the water and then suddenly

no hits. Well, that's what matches up with when they turned on and they saw the object coming, it looked like it was coming in toward the airport. And so, and this, this crew was taking off. This actually Homeland Security,

too, crew was actually taking off. And they saw it coming in from there. And they actually did a huge circle around it one time where they were watching this light as it was moving in from. the water and then what they did is after they did that big sweep and they saw the object the light went out and now they've actually turned on the camera and this the light goes out and now they're starting to see uh this object and they filmed it for 300 uh three excuse me three minutes and

54 seconds uh and it just did what it did and the important thing that's the important thing that there is the fact that the they turned on the camera because the light went out and you know everybody wants to call it being that uh like the arrow or calling it like sky lanterns and stuff like that well i mean it wouldn't stay up in the air if it didn't have it if it wasn't lit so that's that's bogus you know i mean and then the object speed that we measured was a lot different from what they were claiming the uh the distance that they had put it down to where that they saw it as being moving with the wind and yet they don't know the distance from the aircraft back to the object and we saw that there was like a point where it goes behind a telephone pole or a pole of some sort and we got a

measurement of the distance there it goes behind some trees it did kind of goes in between the trees and blots out and so on and so forth and so you have that kind of thing going on with the object and then you had the splitting and it heats up after it looks like it's going in the water and then splits into two. So we were all moving. We started studying this thing and we had to sign non-disclosure agreement saying that we wouldn't talk about it even with Mufon, which put us in an awkward position since all of the five of us were with Mufon. Anyway, the bottom line was that we did our report. They actually approved it and we could actually release it. And then we had to go explain to Mufon what had happened and they were not happy about it. But I pointed out the fact

that the actual case was actually reported to them. And they did not assign anybody to go in and investigate it. So it's their fauxpaw. Yeah. Anyway, bottom line there is that we carried on. And we decided to create an organization in 2017 after we saw that they were getting into this strange stuff about, you know, like Obama was on the moon or, you know,

wherever he was at and there's a base. on the moon and there were purple aliens and stuff. Anyway, we, uh, science just, you know, scientists that we had all departed. They said, I don't want to be a part of this anymore. This is, it's ruining my credibility and I, we don't want to do that. So we all kind of left and we said, well, what can we do? We started this organization called Scientific Coalition for Uphology, actually. And so let's do that. And so we got it started. And then by 2018, we actually incorporated and started and started. And at SU and we immediately went from five of us to 40 people to now we're over 400 people and we're global and we're global and most all the people that are on board with us.

There's probably about 25% of us that are all PhDs and then advanced degrees on every other subject you can imagine. So we've got doctors, you know, physicists. We got, you know, know we got psychologists we we have a whole plethora of disciplines and stuff and astronomers and we're connected into that and we're all doing studies now together which is really cool because now you have all these different disciplines coming together to talk about something you know and so we have different investigations and projects we're doing like we got people that we're looking at the nuclear cases and stuff like that and we're actually putting papers out on the nuclear cases We've also got, you know, people that were looking at atmospheric effects that were noted by people.

Like in the Nimitz case, you had the mirage like effect that was around the Tick-Tac. And so they're looking at cases for those physical effects of the atmosphere. And now we're measuring that stuff. And so we're putting papers together on that. Whole host of things. We've got a quarterly newsletter we put out. we've been holding the conferences this year. It's in Toronto, but in the past years, a lot of them were here at Huntsville.

And then we had some that were virtual. You know, we had to cancel one in COVID, you know, time period and stuff like that. So it's been an ongoing thing. We've had a lot of great people that are presenting at these conferences. And in fact, you know, we've got them all up on YouTube. If you want to go and take a look at the presentations, we've been posting them up on YouTube every year. And then we've got websites. We're also on all the social media sites, the Facebooks, the Redits, the Instagram. We're on everything. So it's, you know, we're,

we're everywhere. And we're excited. We just, we've got a lot of great partners. We've been trying to build partnerships with other organizations out there that are, that are doing, you know, you up, UAP or whatever like that. And so like Sue apps is a part of connect we've been working with them the human institute i recently was doing i did a technology conference where i've been promoting you know the use of and development of technology worldwide uh and so bottom line is i've been working with the human institute uh we are partnered with uh marler out and you know they has a historical kind of thing going on the records and research stuff we're connected with them so we've parted

partner with a lot of different Center for UFO Studies. You know, we're connecting because we want to bring people together to talk about it, even if they are in a different organization. And so a lot of us are, you know, a part of other organizations and helping each other out as well. Yeah.

Hey, the coalition. It's literally in the name. I love that. Yeah. Well, in, I was looking at the speakers list for your conference coming up in Toronto. So we'll give some details about that here. But yeah, it was such a wide array of disciplines, as you've mentioned.

I was so fascinated. You had like someone from the Galileo project, someone that worked with, you know, Guypan at one point. And like bringing them all together to have these conversations. So I guess this would be a good time, Rich, to talk about the conference that's coming up in later in July. So tell us a little about, I want to get the subtitle here, right, the synergy of science and government in UAP research. Now, that's kind of where we're at today. You've got the, you've got Arrow doing their thing within the Pentagon and Defense Department, Department of War, whatever you want to call it. They're doing their own thing. But for, for that,

you've also got citizen scientists doing things like what you guys are doing as well. And I know there have been meetings between the two, very shadowy meetings that the public doesn't know that much about, but it's good to know that the conversation is happening. But we're here to talk about SCU. So what is this conference coming up? And yeah, is there anyone you want to highlight really for us that's going to be speaking this year? Yeah, it's a, I'm excited about a number of presenters and stuff like that. But we're looking, we're trying to focus on what is the role of government in relationship to science and the study of UAP, right? So how, so like, for example, we're starting off with Christopher Mellon talking about that aspect, right?

We want to be able to say, well, how do we get government to be able to come and help science, you know, and support science, at the same time support science and study of UAP? And so that's kind of like our focus, if you would, for the overall arching conference. And so again, Chris Mellon's going to be setting the tone off as our keynote speaker on the first day. And that's that I'm looking forward to that, by the way. You know, Chris is an incredible person that's been very, very helpful. Even our report that we did on the Nimitz case, I think he was instrumental in being able to get that up on the hill. And so that was exciting, the fact that he was able to do that for us and help support us.

we've been also supporting him. Bottom line is that he'll be the presenter on the first night. And then we go into a whole plethora of all these other different presenters. And we've added in a different kind of feature this year that we didn't normally do. But we've got what they call these lightning talks. So we can fit more presenters in. We've actually got them on a shorter period of time instead of an hour. They're going to be like maybe a 15 minute.

Give us a 15 minute. and it's one after another. And so we've now got several presenters in that in a short period of time. You also have a lot of other presenters like, oh, and the other thing is Randy Bostic. I don't know if you know Randy, but Randy was one of the scientists with Arrow. And he's going to be presenting. And I got the chance to meet him in Dayton, Ohio. I was about visiting family.

and we went out and had lunch together and stuff like that. And he was pointing out the fact that, you know, what he did and how he worked with the sensors and stuff like that and some of the issues with sensors. And so he's going to talk about how do we really look at doing UAP research in a scientific way that's really going to get us better or further down the road. And so I think that his experience with Arrow looking at the videos and stuff like that that he did is going to be very helpful.

And so I'm anxious to hear what he's going to say as well. There are many other presenters. We got Julian Mossbridge coming back to talk. We've got also Doug Bittner is going to be doing. We kind of had a situation when Arrow came out and put their report out saying that they believe that these things in Aguadilla were skylineards, Well, we just had trouble with that because it didn't, for example, they didn't even look, they didn't even have the radar. They never looked at the radar data that we had.

And I know we weren't sure if they actually even read our analysis that we did, but they came out and put their report saying that they believe that there was skylineards. Well, Doug Bittner and another person have taken the task of being like a, they weren't part of that original report, but they're going to go and look at it. Doug has the capability of doing all kinds of tests and stuff like that with a specialized equipment. And he's actually looking at this again. And he's going to give us an update on what he's been finding and whether he can validate one or the other of the reports and stuff like that. So we're hoping to get that kind of like independent look at it. And so he's going to do that. I'm very excited about also hearing what his results are.

far in that and so you have just a plethora of other people they're talking again about their subjects that they're dealing with Laura Domine is going to be talking about the you know of course she worked with a Galileo project like you talked about he's been supporting that at the same time we've got the the discussion about are you familiar with Beatrice Villareal and her study about these things called transients from the photographic plates going back to early days of like in the pre-spotnic days and things like that. Yeah, the papers, right?

That got published recently? She's been publishing papers. And Steve Gruhl also used, he's a great statistician, did a lot of work and was able to help her to do an analysis on, I believe, the second paper. And she published that paper with her. And so they're going to be talking about that as well as there's other presenters that are going to be talking about this transient thing as well. And it's just a fascinating subject, you know, whether they're, why, what were these objects and what were they doing up there if they weren't, you know, natural astronomical things? And maybe they were natural astronomical things, but we just don't understand it.

And so hopefully we'll get to a better understanding of these transients, which have caught a lot of attention in recent times as well. Hello, this is Ryan Sprague, the host of Summer in the Skies. If you're enjoying our podcast, our live streams, and our videos, and you'd like to support the show, there are several ways to help while unlocking exclusive perks. Join our Patreon community for early access to episodes, priority guest questions. exclusive articles, bonus content, and access to a growing community of fellow UFO enthusiasts. You can also subscribe to Summer on the Sky's premium on Apple Podcasts for ad-free listening, early access, and exclusive premium content. If you're watching on YouTube, consider becoming a channel member to unlock bonus content,

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I'm from Syracuse, New York. So I'm quite familiar. I think I applied the University of Albany but got rejected. So I won't hold that against him. Yeah. So it's exciting news. If you're aware of the Nimitz case, Kevin Day started a group called UAPX. And so they were doing planning to go out and.

Catalina Island in that area and to do some studies and stuff like that to help validate the Ticktack exists. And then it evolved where Kevin Dave kind of backed out of it. And then Gary Borges actually took over and was running it for a good period of time. And then what happened was Gary had some problems at the same time. Kevin Canuth and Matthew Shadagas decided that they were going to see if they could take it and make it UAP. Albany X, you know, and okay, so I think it, you know, and so they were pushing for the university to be able to get engaged. And they did get a grant money to be able to go and get that started or a donation, a significant donation, to start this effort up in Albany and to carry on with it.

So Matthew is going to plan on talking about, you know, basically what's, what happened there and how they're planning to set up and what they're going to be doing. And again, I'm excited about that. And Matthew is a, if you've ever seen Matthew on a presentation, he is a ball of energy. And it just comes across that way. And Kevin is an excellent presenter and stuff like that. And it's always fun to hear his talks. And he'll be talking about, again, he's pointed out in the past that the speeds of these objects have been tracked like, you know, on the Nimitz case. It dropped from 20,000 feet to stop above the water in 0.7.8 of a second.

Well, that equates to over 40,000 miles an hour. And so if you could sustain that 40,000, and you could actually increase it, you can get up to interstellar speeds. And with relativistic travel, you could actually be on the, let's see, on the other side of the galaxy in just a short time. and because you're not going to experience time, the more you get to the speed of light, speed, it slows down for the person on board, right? So you can basically have species from all different kinds of planets and things like that

coming to us using the speeds that we're actually tracking them in in short order. And so that doesn't negate the fact that they can be coming from elsewhere. And distance really is not a factor anymore. Right. And, you know, that doesn't even, you know, the speed and the distance, like that doesn't even attribute for the idea that the object seemed to know what the cap point was. So then you're getting into more like weird psychic or pre-planned or consciousness stuff.

Yeah, well, you do. And so you have to, you have to. So that kind of indicates that either the craft is intelligent or in it, and the fact that it knows where to go in the cap point, is that a precognitive kind of like, you know, intelligence? Does it does it know everything that we're doing? Or is it a matter of the fact that they've already lived that history and they're playing it back? You know, in other words, are we dealing with time in some aspects, you know, and are these really beings from outer space or are. Are they, as Dr. Michael Matthews talks about extratemporial beings that are, like, are us from a future time that are actually coming back or a past time coming ahead? We don't know. We just don't know.

And so if you look at the different hypotheses associated with these things, whether they're extraterrestrial or whether they're us from a future time or something of that nature, or they are a mixture of all these different things. or whether they've been here throughout our recorded history and from the past, we just don't know. We don't know. And we've had life on this planet for like a long, long time. And if anybody from somewhere else stumbled across this planet and saw that there was life on it, well, let's just hang around and observe it, you know. And let's use the ocean for our base and we'll pop in and pop out and keep checking on things,

what's happening with the ants up there above us and, you know, and then pop back into our water and hide. a bit more. But so we just don't know, Ryan. It's like one of those things. It's not like you had a license plate on the back of the object. You could say, well, this one's from here. You know?

Yeah. We don't have that. And I wish they did because we could really figure this out pretty quick. Right. Well, and you guys are trying. And I love that. And I love this idea of bringing the scientists and the government together. Because what's the point of doing?

it compartmentalized. You're never, that that's always the problem with, you know, these whistleblowers that have come out and stuff saying, yeah, we didn't even know what the guy next to us was doing. So how are we ever going to like figure this all out? Or even if you want to go back to the highly controversial Bob Lazar story, whether you believe the guy or not, he said the same thing. We were working on the propulsion. They were working on this and none, we never met to discuss the different data points. So yeah. I love this idea of you guys coming to campus. Yeah, it's very important. And to your point, you know, even when I was working with the Army and stuff like that, and our research and development centers and stuff like that, you'd have in this building different rooms. And this room doesn't know what's going on in the next room, what's going on in the next room.

And, you know, you don't talk about those things. And, you know, they're all individual classified projects separate. And so there's not a collaboration. going on. And so we've been encouraging collaboration for a long time. And so that's what we're about trying to promote the collaboration and, you know, because nobody's got the answers. Let's all work on this together. Let's figure it out. Exactly. Well, hey, you've also got my good friend and colleague, Micah Hank's the master of ceremony. Yeah, Micah. That will be entertaining. Yeah. I'm sure. Micah is entertaining. He's been a great addition to the conference. Initially,

I was doing the hosting and stuff like that. And I was kind of like a one-man person that was trying to do all the conference kind of things, you know, running it, having it and coordinating it and everything else. And so I was just glad we approached Micah and I made that recommendation. And he accepted. And I thought, wow, this is great. And so for, I think the last three conferences we've had, Micah, and it's good to have him. Just great. You know, he's really an astute individual that knows a lot about the subject, of course.

And he can just, he's just very personal. So I was just glad that, yeah, that he's going to be our moderator again. I love that. I love that. Well, I mean, I guess kind of the big question for us, you know, I'm in, I'm kind of close to you guys. I'm in Nova Scotia. You're going to be in Toronto.

But for the rest of the world, Rich, is this going to be online? as well or is this strictly an exclusive oh okay it is virtual at all in fact the last several conferences are have been what they call a hybrid conference where you have in-person and virtual so we we've got virtual parties around the planet that are coming and attending uh it's like i think 75 dollars for a virtual seat and you get basically three days of talking about UFOs and all the and access to the presentations plus you also have a situation where you can go back and watch these things for up to three months. And the tool that we're using is called Huba.

And it's definitely a award-winning kind of thing. It's an incredible thing where a lot of people go and you can network. People are already in there and having conversations with each other from around the world and talking about, well, how did you get into this? What did you do? And so it's kind of a situation where, you know, they're all having a good time with it. Yeah.

But we're definitely, it's a great tool that you can go back, converse. We have networking sessions that we're doing with everybody. And it's really neat. Awesome. Awesome. Well, where can we find the conference, Rich? So at the bottom of your screen, you got the word explore us.U.org. So start there.

Just go over there. In fact, all of our publications and papers and our news, letters are up there on the site. You can go and see those things. And then there's links to all the YouTube as well as links to other kinds of things. You can contact us through that page. There's a page up there called Contact Us. But if you go up there, you'll see a link that takes you over to the registration site where you can learn a lot more. You can see the presenters. You can see the agenda and just take from there and just sign in. And we'd love to have. have you. I think you'll you'll be surprised at how excellent these conferences have been and

they've been well received. So anyway, check it out. I've heard I've heard nothing but good things. I'm hoping to get there one year, but it's so cool that it's online too. I'll definitely be attending online. And that's July 25th. Is that when it begins? It's actually starts on the 24th. So we're a little bit under a month now out. July 20, 24th, 25th, and 26th. Got it. Cool. And it's in Toronto.

In Toronto, Ontario. Got it. We'll have all the information below for that. But Rich, I'm not going to let you go just yet, if that's okay. I've got a couple listener questions. Is that cool? Sure. Yeah, that's cool.

Awesome. I love it. One of them comes from me personally. Not that I haven't been interviewing you already, but I've got to know your thoughts on all this stuff that's just dropped with war.gov, their pursue initiative. Like, we went through my co-host and I, Suzanne, every video, every file, every audio file.

And, you know, there were some interesting stuff in there, but I will say a lot of the videos were kind of a letdown for us in the civilian world, at least, because we don't really know what's going on. There's no information connected to these things, no metadata, nothing like that. But for you personally, what have you made of these three tranches or batches that the White House and War.com have dropped? And did anything really stand out to you, you know, being what you guys do at the SCU?

So, yeah, I mean, we were first very hopeful that we were going to get something here. And, you know, and of course, it ended up being like, you know, imagine me working at the base and somebody saying, let's take what you have in your drawer and let's put it up on the internet so everybody was like cleaning it's like cleaning out your drawers and anything that had the word UFO or uap in it is suddenly going to appear into this collection of stuff right and so it it's a hodgepodge of a variety of things including memorandums from you know and dating back to 1950 something or or 1940 something. And usually it's about things that we already knew.

It was not for, so for researchers like us, it was like old news, you know. And just like the transcripts from the Gemini missions or something of that nature, again, old news. Nothing, nothing that's revealing anything like that we didn't already know. And, you know, we were hopeful that we would see something that we didn't really know. know. And of course, I personally working in the DOD and stuff like that like I did, I knew that necessarily the good stuff might actually be with a defense contractor and it would never be subject to this FOIA or this release at all because a contractor or a company doesn't have to abide by what the president says in terms of dumping out their drawers. So what you're going

to get is just a bunch of memorandum and this and that type of stuff. And then, Arrow decided to drop its videos. Well, it had a collection of these videos from the Air Force and the different organizations and things like that, which it had received, had not had even time to be able to probably do a

proper analysis of all those cases and things like that. But yet they went and put those things up there online as well. And if you look at them, there's a few of them that are very, very compelling, but others are just, you know, it could be anything. It could be a balloon. It could be, it could be, it could

be some other aircraft you just don't know and and and then you're looking to be able to like we're looking for the metadata like you pointed out and you see these big blotch squares all over the screen of the video and they're they're cutting out you know maybe the GPS location or they're cutting out you know the fact that it was using black as hot in the iR or white is hot that they're cutting out all the critical data even like the date or the time and you're going like you know okay, well, this is not helpful to anybody that seriously wants to evaluate these things. And so, you know, I think for the most part, we're all pretty disappointed. You know, it's been a disappointment for us.

Again, we're hopeful that there's going to be something, but there's nothing there. And so, you know, it's almost to us, it's more like of a maybe a political game where I get some points or browning points because I released all the wonderful files on UFOs or UAP. But it wasn't in any specialized order. It's just like me dumping it and saying, here, you public make up your mind with this stuff as opposed to what we would hope would be that the government would give us some clarity around all this stuff, right?

So you're not getting any clarity from the government. You're just getting a hodgepodge of empty files that are being posted up there. And, you know, some of these things were classified at one point and they declassified them or something like that. And they stripped off the information and stuff like that. And again, it's, you know, it's just very frustrating. Because, you know, you know where I'm at, right. And yet I actually say that I looked at classified systems at the base and I saw some classified videos that were, that have yet to come out, by the way.

And so again, you're wondering, are these things going to ever appear or not? And there are some that are extremely clear, you know, and there's others that aren't. And so, you know, it's a problem you run into. And, you know, what do you make of them? And for me, the other thing, Ryan, is that it's kind of a disappointment to watch how some of these releases from Corbell and Nap, they end up right up there being shown by the politicians at the hearings. But where's the analysis you did before you came to the conclusion that that was UFO? And how did you know that it was not an IFO or an identified blank object that it was something else?

And now you're putting it up in front of the public and everybody else and the politicians and they're believing that this to be something that it's not. And we can come back and embarrass them later because we find out that it's really something else. that's not the way to approach it either and so if you look at how Mufon does it we investigate cases or even what SOU did with the Aguadilla and we studied him first we tried to rule out the fact that it could be an unknown

before we came out and published or gave our publication out saying that this is what it was or what it could be and we've done the homework so that does help you as a citizen to be able to look at that and say okay i can accept that that that that maybe is likely and more plausible then and you've ruled out the fact that it was a bird a plane and you know and everything else and stuff like that so yeah yeah i you know in the ufo field especially nowadays i feel like post 2017 all these people getting involved you know they've grown up with social media they've

grown up with texting and all like all of us we didn't have that we didn't have that luxury. So like you were used to waiting for things. I think they want it now. They want the answers now. But that's not how this stuff works. As you know, we still know the answers. Yeah. And so I mean, just like, you know, I think the public would be like looking to say, let's put the Aguadilla video up and just immediately have it out there. Right. Yeah. Well, then you get into everybody's speculating about what it's speculating this speculation. We don't want to speculate. We want to be able to actually get the facts. and determine what we can. So that's why we took a year and a half,

studied this thing to the nth degree, got additional information to be able to support it and everything else. And so that's, I mean, science doesn't work in the opt tempo of the public news media. And so that's, you know, it'd be great if we could be quicker, but you just have to be able to,

and it's getting rougher because now with AI, you've got people faking stuff, then you can't even tell the difference between that and the real stuff, you know? So it's a constant struggle, Ryan, and it's going to get probably worse before it gets better. I'd love to touch on that. And then I promise we'll breeze through these listener questions, Rich, AI. Now, that is the biggest debate conversation in the world today, whether you're an artist and you hate it, whether you're a futurist and you love it.

There's many benefits to it and there's many bad things. about it too. You know, we just had, I think it was Professor Avi Lope spoke at this disclosure forum event yesterday. We live streamed it here. And he mentioned how beneficial AI can be in trying to analyze UAP phenomenon and whatnot through the instrumentation and all that stuff. Where do you stand on AI when it comes to UFOs and studying UFOs?

So I think it's like everything else. Like, you know, the development, you could argue the same points about the having the internet. Well, I mean, people use the internet for good. People use it for bad, right? It can be used in many different ways. Any technology that we develop is going to, it has that kind of means of being used for good or bad. It comes down to the individuals and the people and the society we live in and the cultural acceptance of it. But so I think it's because it's new, a lot of people are just not sure of it yet.

and that it's but yet you know on one hand it's going to help support uap studies on another hand it's going to you know hurt in looking at videos or anything else and trying to develop what the truth is and so it's got a good or bad look to it and it's what you do with it now we for example if we take and we get our own technology out there that's collecting our own data right and so if you can imagine me having a camera up 24 hour 24 by 7 right and I have it out there for months you know and I want to weed through all that data from just that one camera that's been out there for months AI and machine learning would be able to help us to call through that whole thing and eliminate the birds the planes and things like that that are out there it can do that so it can be extremely

beneficial for us to call through a lot of data and come up with just what we want to focus on, right? So that's a very good thing. And the more we want to build and put sensors and things like that out there or cameras and stuff like that to be able to collect that data, we want to have the AI tools and the machine learning to help us out to do that analysis work. Okay. Gotcha. So that's using it for good. Plus there's also the incorporation of the fact that you can actually go through and use artificial intelligence to help you to get at least some good information about a topic. You know, if I want to go for a specific topic, I can do that.

AI is also helping in the medical world in terms of being able to look at diseases and things like that and come up with alternatives that you didn't even think about. So again, it's got positive kinds of things, but at the same time, if you've ever been on a phone call and you're dealing with an AI person trying to get a hold of somebody, it can be pretty frustrating, right? So AI can have some bad consequences as well because it's either not being used properly or it hasn't been developed. So it's a struggle to see where that this world is going to take this thing and how it's going to work and evolve. But again, it's a situation where we just need to go with it, you know, see how it goes, always be looking for how we can apply it in a positive fashion. And, you know,

it's not actually full-proof accurate all the time. And so again, humans have to look at that and say, well, wait a minute. And that's, you know, so I think it's going to be beneficial overall for research and analysis like we do to help us out immensely. So I'm looking at it positively. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'm the same way. You know, I think if it can help with things in the medical field or the scientific field, that's great.

as long as the human always stays somewhat involved, because the human will make impulsive decisions that could ultimately benefit, whereas the AI might not. You know, it's looking at it only statistically, and that could be said of many different things. So I agree with you. I agree with you, for sure. Well, staying on technology, Rich, our first listener question here comes from, actually, all of them come from our Patreon subscribers. They get put at the front of the line to ask you questions.

All right. They were pretty stoked. So David, David, you on Patreon asks, Rich was very prominent during the UAP summit. How is he now feeling about civilian science and disclosure efforts? Has he noticed any significant changes or advancements in technology that is available to civilian scientists? So really playing off of what we were just talking about. about, but what are you personally doing right now when it comes to the technology that we could kind of, you know, supply for possible UAP tracking or data analysis?

Yeah, where does that stand for you? So the technology summit was a great effort of bringing all these different independent stove pipes together. In other words, everybody was doing their own schick. and I'm developing my own little tool. I'm going to go out and put this tool out there. I want everybody to buy my tool and go out and do that. And so everybody was doing something independent of one another,

where now what we're trying to do is to, again, build coalition and support with a technologist to be able to say, let's bring us together. So now we're looking at what we can do to either help each other or look at what we need to add to those tools that we've got that we're developing. or do you think about it in a different way? For example, I keep pointing this out as an example of where technology could support us, but we haven't got it.

But does your tool, for example, also look at the acoustics that might be above the human hearing range or below the human hearing range? So the bottom line there is that we're looking to bring technologists together to be able to have that discussion. And it's really working very well because we're actually getting together. And we're having routine meetings now to be able to,

say, okay, well, we need to think about this. The Tedesco brothers who have an elaborate band that's well, you know, equipped with millions of dollars of equipment and stuff like that, are looking at it. And they're helping have that conversation with some of the other independent people. And we're doing this on a worldwide basis, which is also very good because, you know, their reports are around the globe. And, you know, while they might now be happening here in the United States, they might be happening in another part of the world. And so they may be having a flap over there going on. And we are missing out on that, you know.

So like the Sky 360 people are over in Europe and they're helping to get it around in Europe. You've got us in the United States, Ron Ulch is helping to get the stuff around the United States and some Canada and stuff like that. So again, can we get tools out there? And I'm very excited about the fact that we're finally having these conversations and looking at that kind of, those kind of aspects. And so I'm encouraged by the fact that we'll now get some development that's shared among these different players, if you would. And we'll also be able to figure out where are those hotspots and figure out where they are, where we can go and send our equipment.

And then the other point of this is getting the data that we want to study now located in a proper database or whatever, one place to go, where now all independent researchers and scientists can go to and log in and get the data that they need to be able to now do effective analysis and studies and collaborating there as well. Right. Yeah. Again, opening up that globalization, as you mentioned, it's not a Western phenomenon. You know, we got to keep that. It is it. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're probably having sightings in Nova Scotia right now, you know, or something of that nature. you know shag harbour part two baby yeah it's happening um oh here's a good one tanya tanya b on patreon asks kind of more of a personal question for you rich do you believe there are other life forms in the universe other than what may already exist on earth if you do how many years away do you think we are from discovering that well i think that it's a very exciting right

now field to look at techno signatures. And we're trying to do that with the astronomy and all of our James Webb scopes and the things we're putting up in space is looking for techno signatures and something like that on other worlds. And I really believe that what you're gonna start to see is that as we continue to go out there and explore

and we continue to add these technology tools that help us to be able to get more information, that we're likely gonna find out that the universe is pretty much team, with all different kinds of life and we will find that out hopefully someday I believe that also that the the objects that we're seeing in the skies and stuff like that eventually we're kind of good answers to them as well and I really believe that we'll know for example if it's a time or space time kind of like a

manipulation that they're doing we'll be able to see some of that or we'll be able to see that they are you know like when they do the cloaking thing or something like that. Can we make any determination about are they interdimensional or from another dimension or something like that? I think that we'll be able to find some sort of signatures that will give us some help, even though they don't want to land and say, hi, I'm from here, you know, that type thing, but we'll do that. So I'm encouraged by that. I point out the fact that all the time that there's a situation where if you take a look at the not the technosignatures and stuff like that, but if you look at the life in terms of just how big is the universe.

It's huge. I do this little illustration, but if you took a fruit loop, and that's the representation of our galaxy, a fruit loop, right? And there's 200 billion stars in that one little fruit loop, right? Yeah. And then there's a lot more planets because each of those little stars might have planets on them, a lot more, a lot of them, right? So take that one little fruit loop. Do you know how many of those fruit loops you have to put into pools to illustrate the number of galaxies that are out there? 355 swimming pools filled with fruit loops would represent the number of galaxies that are out there.

Wow. That puts things into perspective. That's a perspective for you. And that's just only the galaxies that we can see. And there's new ones coming in all the time because we're now starting to see the light from those ones that were beyond. That are finally, the light is catching up with us. Right. So it's a situation where, so, I mean, Ryan, put that in perspective.

355 swimming pools filled with just these little things called Fruit Loop cereal, right? you're filled from bottom of the top that's incredible so you're telling me that we're the only ones with life on them I mean come on I mean it just makes it's not it makes those sense

it doesn't I'm with you on that one for sure awesome well last listener question for you Rich and I'm dying to know this one too this brings us as current as possible Stephanie H on Patreon wants to know have you seen

the new Steven Spielberg movie Disclosure Day, and do you think we will ever get disclosure? So I've had that asked, yeah, I saw the movie. It was a very entertaining movie. It incorporated a lot of things associated with a UFO phenomenon, especially on the experiencer side, right? The experiencer side was well put into this whole thing. It wasn't about the object as much as the experiencer,

which again a lot of the aspects to it you know kind of like went along with the the stories you hear and various other things but there were also some other you know embellishments like you know the guy holding some sort of thing and being able to control other people's minds that's never been a part of it but anyway it's a situation where the big question is is disclosure around the bend now you have to understand i've been doing this for 62 years and i thought that back in the early days that project blue book when they had the condom report that disclosure was going to happen that's how i had the perspective that the disclosure was going to happen and the university of colorado was going to come out and report the fact that there are objects and

stuff like it was the opposite right happened for me so condom was a letdown right and then you we go into the dark ages i call it the dark ages from that period of time up until 2017 Now, 2017 comes out, and it's like, wow, that's kind of neat. And then finally, you have the government here in the United States, at least admitting the fact that, you know, UAP exists. And I thought, well, that's disclosure, you know, that's at least affirming the fact that all these citizens that are seeing this stuff are not cooks and actually are, you know, they're not crazy. They're actually legitimately seeing something and that should be validating forever. It was deladding for me the fact that I had been talking about UFOs and stuff like that. And people were like, you know, well, that's.

But now the government's out there saying that they're real, right? So that's kind of a disclosure. Now, let's go to the next step. Where am I going to say that they're from or what their purpose or what they're doing here? And when you get into that kind of subject, it's all speculation at this point. Because as I pointed out, we don't know what the license plate is. We don't know where they're coming here. from are they are are does does the hypothesis it says that they're from another time is that the one

that's valid or is the one that there are extraterrestrials coming here or is it that there's something else you know that we just don't understand and so consequently because we don't have we can't validate any of these hypotheses to the extent we'd like to we're we're left in the dark but do you think that the government maybe knows more and stuff like that and then the question comes well let's hypothetically say that there's this agency that does know it, you know, or something like that. Is the government going to come out and tell us that they've been lying to us all these decades? Is the government going to, you know, that we've, and so when do they do that? Who's the best person to be able to make that you're going to all believe, right?

So like, you know, would I believe the president saying this? well, half the public don't believe anything he says right now, right? So is it, does the Pope need to be able to make the announcement? Well, okay, that might be a, you know, so who makes the announcement that you're going to get everybody now accepting the fact that there's something like that going on, right? And it almost comes down to the fact that, you know, even when you show videos or something like that, like in the movie, they used the videos and stuff like that, well, you know, AI and now nobody trusts videos or.

Nobody trusts anything else, right? So would I believe that if I saw it on TV that they have these aliens? Again, you run into the problem of acceptance that's not going to happen so easily. And so I really don't see disclosure maybe in the same way that other people do. But I think that's going to take a longer time for us to figure out who they are, what they are, why they're here, what they're doing before we actually come out and maybe say that. And I don't think that the government's going to immediately declassify that it's got, you know, this whatever, you know, this recovered crap or something like that. I think that they're just going to keep it in too close to the chest.

And, you know, maybe at some point that they'll decide to do that. But I don't see that that's going to happen anytime soon. Yeah. I'm with you. Yeah. No, I think, you know, whatever, I think whatever is at the source of. these phenomena will be the ones to decide when disclosure happens. I honestly do believe that.

So I'm with you on that one. Yeah, it was a very antiquated way of disclosure in that movie with Spielberg, I feel. First of all, no one would go, no one watches like the nightly news anymore. So that's not going to be the place you do it. It's going to be on Twitter and Reddit before it gets to the news.

You're right there, Ryan. And it's, you know, I mean, again, the biggest part of our population has gotten away from the nightly news and things like that. We don't watch that. We're getting everything through social media, you know, and people are, and so that wouldn't be. So there was a lot of that entertainment, you know, melodrama kind of thing that went on in the show. And I'll be honest with you. I was like, you know, I guess I was a little bit disappointed. And I guess, you know, because I'm very critical being in the subject like,

as long as I have been more so than the general public. My wife loved it. My other family member loved it. You know, this is great, you know. But I'm over there just like, well, this wasn't right. And why was it that there was only two? Why were these, they dismissed all the other experiences out there and only these two experiences are the ones that went, you know, had this kind of thing.

Right. You know, it just, it missed for me. Yep. I'm with you on that. It's a movie. It's a movie. unfortunately. Well, hey, Rich, we'll always have close encounters of the third guy, the master.

Yes, great show, by the way. Yeah, yeah. I agree with you on that one. Well, awesome. Well, I kept you longer than I said. So we'll head out of here. But again, I hope people will check out the conference July 24th, 25th, 26th in Toronto. We'll have links to everything in the show notes, guys.

Or go to exploresc u.org to learn more about their. organization and the conference. But yeah, anything else, Rich, before we get out of here? No, but it's just been great being chatting with you, Ryan. I've appreciated what you've done over the years as well. And I just want to acknowledge the fact that I'm one of those like guys that listen to Ryan and what he's doing. And I appreciate what he's doing because again, he's helping to support us getting the information out there on the subject and helping us all to get educated. So thank you and kudos to what you do. My pleasure. I couldn't do it without you.

So once again, Rich, thank you so much for joining me on Summer in the skies. No problem. Thank you for having me.