Somewhere in the Skies - UAP UK Roundtable

Episode Date: February 15, 2021

On episode 200 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, Ryan is joined by the team behind UAP Media UK. Dave Partridge, Andy McGrillen, and Dan Zetterstrom give us the rundown on their new endeavor which culminates in to a central resource on the UAP subject for Britain's members of parliament, national and local media, and private and public organizations. They also give their honest thoughts and opinions on Luis Elizondo, Nick Pope, Bob Lazar, and Travis Walton. Things wrap up with a collection of listener questions and a new way of trans-medium travel!? It's a saucer-shaped roundtable of cosmic proportions. Visit UAP Media UK at: www.uapmedia.uk #EndUAPSecrecy Google Drive: CLICK HERE Audiobook now available! To order, CLICK HERE Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan's Book by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Episode edited by Jane Palomera Moore Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague. Welcome, everyone, to Somewhere in the Skies. I am your host, Ryan Sprague, and I have a very special UFO roundtable for you today. We have three of the members of UAP Media, UK, with us today. That's Andy McGillan, Dave Partridge, and Dan Zetterstrom. And I'm not going to waste any more time. We're going to bring these guys in because it's getting late over in the UK. and I can't believe this is happening for the first time ever.

These are three first time guests on the show. So without further ado, gentlemen, welcome to somewhere in the skies. Hey. Thanks, Matt. It's a long time less than. Oh, thank you. Thank you. And I can say the same for all of you,

huge fans of everything you guys are doing. And I'm not really going to waste any time kind of, you know, what would be the word? I'm a very forgiving interviewer, if you guys haven't noticed on my show, whereas Andy is one who just trims the fat and goes straight for the questions. So we're going to talk a little about that gentleman in the poster behind you there, my man, about your recent interview with Mr. Luis Elizondo. But before they do that, I did want to give a toast to you guys for your new endeavor over there. I've got British breakfast tea. So I hope I'm doing it right. Got the right amount of milk and sugar in here so on. Yeah, I've got my hailstie, right. So yeah. Oh, nice.

Yeah. Brunken and water. Awesome. Everyone's good. Everyone's hydrated. Well, before we get to everything I want to talk about with you guys, I loved for my audience to get to know you guys a little bit. For some of them that may not be familiar with what you guys are doing in terms of the

UAP topic and issue over there in the UK. Who are you guys? And what got you first interested in UFOs? Yeah, tell us a little about yourselves if you don't mind. I guess we'll go, Andy, if you don't mind starting first. Yes, hi to all the listeners. And like Dan, I'm a listener, long-time listener as well. So I'm having to remember that I'm not listening to your show

and I have to talk back to you when you speak to me. So just in case at any point, I forget to respond. So, yeah, my name's Andy McGarillon. It's like the start of a bad joke, a Scotsman and Englishman and a Welshman, walk into a podcast. But yeah, I started my podcast last April, late April, with lockdown and everything kicking off and listen to podcasts like yourself, Ryan, hearing so many cool guests.

But there's a lot of podcasts out there that I don't think do it quite as well. And I had the idea to be being passionate about UFOs and UAP, as it's now more commonly known in the community. Do you know what? Lockdown had kicked off and there wasn't a whole lot to do. and I bought a microphone and shodily set up a podcast and it kind of kicked off from there. And I've been really lucky with the guests I've had on and meeting great people like yourself. Ryan, you've been a guest on my podcast.

You were really good to come on really early. I got to know Dan through the podcast early as well and Dave more recently too. And obviously I'll just mention straight away Adam, who's also part of UAP Media UK, who Ryan wouldn't allow to be on the podcast tonight because of his face. Adam's not on the podcast because he's got other plans, but we're repping them here. But yeah, I've met a lot of kill people. And yeah, so I've got that UFO podcast. A shameless plug on your show.

But I'm sure you'll do that for me anyway. So that's me. We'll get there. Dave, would you mind telling us a little about what got you interested in UFOs and your huge endeavor that you're doing right now as well? Well, I guess the first time would have been opening up Carl Sagan's, Cosmos and, you know, being a curious six, seven, eight-year-old, going straight to the ET section.

Saw these three little dudes at the bottom, illustrated, it was kind of like a hobbit, grey and a werewolf or something like that. And my interest just grew from there, through the teens, I bought, like, Timothy Goods, books. And then kind of drifted away from the subject, got back into it about six years ago, went down the rabbit hole deep, wanted to make some sort of sense of, you know, what I was learning. And with a background in magazine design, I just thought, you know, what better way to share what I'm learning with other people than to put it in a magazine format. So I did that.

And Ryan, you were gracious enough to be one of the first interviewees. And I think you appeared in the second issue. And you've supported the mag from, like, day one, basically. So, you know, I'm really appreciative of that. and yeah i took 2019 off and you know like andy because of lockdown in the UK i was bored so i decided you know i got these interviews left over from last time i might as well just relaunch and from there it's kind of got a bit of momentum behind it and it's going from strength to strength and with what i've got planned in the future for future issues it is going to be very exciting awesome man and i mean i can't

stress this enough. The work and the quality that you put into this thing, the passion is just so, so palpable. I just can't believe that this is a one-man army making this thing. So I have to commend you on just the incredible work that you've done in not only getting the UAP issue out there, but many other topics as well, and, you know, having to do with the unexplained and just the esoteric. So, no, I'm extremely grateful. that you reached out to me early on, and I've been a fan ever since. And I'm another fan of Dan as well.

So Dan, tell us, my man, how did you get involved with the UAP topic? How'd you meet these ruffians? And, yeah, what do you got for us, my man? So my interest goes back as long as I can remember, really. The earliest example of something UFO-related would be the opening episode of Season 2 of the X-5. I caught it late night on TV when I was a kid.

And just after that, I got given an award in school for being the E.T of my class. And it's just been an interest ever since then, really. I was big into Tom the Long's music. You know, it was kind of split 50-50 in my life. And then, as we all know, Tom got the interest come over here. Both things smushed together. And I find myself with all my time taken up with the UAP issue now. That's awesome.

I mean, I love hearing the origin story of everyone's interest in this topic because it's different for everyone. Some people had an experience. Some just had a spark, whether it was a book or a movie or a television show. So I guess before we get to kind of the main reason I want to have you guys here to talk about UAP Media UK, have any of you had a personal UFO sighting? Is that something any of you are willing to share here with us today? Andy, I see you shaking your head, my man. Would you mind sharing with us first? your personal encounter if you've had one? Yeah, two.

Two good ones. I've been lucky to where I live the last seven or eight years in the north of England, although I'm Scottish, as people can probably tell from the dodgy accent. I hope Ryan's subtitling this for everyone. It was quite a clear sky. So you're always seeing things that are probably satellites and whatnot. But now and again, you get something, makes a bit of a funny turn, but it's always a light in the sky.

But I had two particularly good ones. I've been lucky growing up. one, I was about eight, maybe nine years old, I think, maybe 10, and I was basically coming home from the boys brigade in the UK. I don't think you get that in the US, but it would be like the scouts. And I was leaving that one evening with my mum, my sister, and my friend and his mum. And we weren't far from where we stayed, and it's a very, like,

I think suburban area for any US listeners, you know, for the UK, typical neighbourhood. And nine o'clock at night, winter night, clear sky. And it actually wasn't even in the sky as we looked along this road about a mile in the distance, half a mile, three quarters of a mile, something like that. I'm not military. I don't know the distance. But it wasn't too far.

It was about a five-minute walk. It looked like a ferris wheel on its side. And I've kind of got that UFO for a reason on my top. If you imagine a ferris wheel would be normally straight up. But this was at an angle like that. But it was spinning like super fast, like ridiculously fast. So it wasn't a ferris wheel. And there was also no.

carnival or anything on that night. So this thing was almost on the ground. You couldn't see the bottom of it because the houses along the road were blocking the view. And it was just spinning and spinning and spinning. Now, I remember we looked along and I said to my

mum and our friends, look at that and they were like, oh yeah, that's actually interesting. Bear in mind, this thing must have been 50 feet, potentially, on a really busy built up area at 9 o'clock at night. So there's plenty of people about. We just crossed the road and went home. I lived in a high-rise tower block of apartments or flats.

And if I'd gone out the back that night, I would have been able to see down to the area where it was, and I never did because I was too scared. I was quite young. I always kind of regret not going out to look, but it's so crazy because this thing was pretty big, and it was really low on the ground and spinning and on its side. And no one saw it. I reported it or talked about it, but this was like the mid-90s. So there was no social media, no internet. is such no mobile phones, no pictures, no nothing. Even now, my mum's heavily sceptical of the whole alien UFO subject, UAP, but she remembers it, but just totally dismisses it being anything out of the ordinary.

So that was the first one. And then the other one was a kind of standard black triangle, a year gone in December. I was driving home from work six o'clock. I live in relatively rural area, now a lot of fields. and I noticed that on this kind of back road a van had pulled over and the guy was hanging out of his window looking up

and when we looked up in the sky you could see two lights that were just hovering and it looked like either side of an aircraft but then I noticed as I kept driving this wasn't moving and I drove underneath it and I could make out the black triangle shape in the sky maybe 100 feet off the ground being interested in what I'm interested in

I as quickly as I could pulled into someone's house tried to reverse out to go back and see this black triangle hovering in the sky because I could still make out the lights. This old couple came out of the house because I just pulled onto the driveway to try and reverse off. And he asked me, you know, can I help? And I said, I'm really sorry. I'm just looking at that along there. And I pointed and this thing was still just hovering above the trees.

And he looked and he went, oh, yeah, it just shows you. There's definitely other things out there, isn't there? And he just walked away. It was so blazee. So I turned out, and as I went to drive along, a third light had came on in the front and was blinking, like, rapidly, and it just moved diagonally over the trees, but by the time I got back along to the open field,

it wasn't there, it was gone. So that was my true, pretty good ones. You know, I love to, like, the reactions that people have to these things. I mean, some people, like the gentleman, oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. That was probably aliens from Zeta reticulet. Whereas for you, I'm sure it was an impact. thing that changed your life, as I know it was for me. I saw a black triangle as well.

I'd love to get your guys' thoughts on the triangles a little later here. I've kind of come to a determination of what I think it was. But yeah, Dave, Dan, have either of you had a personal brush with the UFO phenomenon that you'd be willing to share? Citing no. Experience possibly, but unconfirmed. I don't know, I kind of keep it a little bit more private. But when I was growing up, it was kind of, well, when I was growing up, different story completely.

We lived in this old former mill, needle mill, which in the middle of Worcestershire, which is a country in England. It's always had some kind of, you know, like paranormal activity associated with it. So there'd be, like, the feeling that someone's sitting on the end of your bed every now and again. and floorboards would creak, doors would slam in the middle of the night, and you'd have no idea why this was going on. And other members of my family as well, they've had their own experiences where after my maternal grandfather died,

my aunt was sitting in their lounge. And she just looked across and she could see him, sitting on the next floor in the armchair next one. she had a conversation with what she thought was his spirit. So whether that was him, you know, kind of telling her like a final goodbye or something like that, she's never really known. But it's that kind of thing where kind of like what Robert Bigelow's trying to do now is like, is there an afterlife that we can get in contact with?

And I think my probably my maternal grandmother as well, she may have got in touch with me when I was, I was looking for a full-time job, and it was the last day of the application deadline. And I've been debating about getting into full-time work for a while because I was freelance for a bit. And I just got a whiff of her perfume, right towards the deadline of the application.

So I just took that as a sign, sent it in, got the job two days later after an interview, met two guys in the office, and they started talking to me about UFOs and everything else. paranormal cryptos and it was from there my interest in UAPs and the unexplained

got rekindled so it's like was that my grandmother saying go for this job because that is your new direction I don't know it's weird interesting that is weird

I mean I think I emailed you when you're in Hawaii a big long rambling email about Experified in Barcelona but I cannot confirm that. But it involves sleep paralysis, and I haven't even told these guys

yet. So, you know, until I kind of get more of a feeling of what that was, I'm going to keep on the keeping the memory banks for now. Of course, man. Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, and that's the thing too. Like, I never, you can't force this thing on people.

You really can't. If someone doesn't want to tell their story, they don't want to tell their story. And while I'm a huge advocate for as many people, coming forward as possible. It's just not something that people are willing to talk about a lot. I see that changing. And you know, you've got a personal journey of your own in trying to figure out what that is before, you know, really interpreting it to other people, I would say. So it's really interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Dan, Dan, how about you, brother? Any personal experiences with the unknown you'd be willing to share? A lot. And I say this, knowing that I promised you a voice recording for your

witness accounts podcast. And I still haven't got around to giving that to you. So I guess this is my testimony now. Yeah. So I've had a lot of weakness in my life thinking back a long way. And I don't know if a part of that was because I've always been aware of it, because I've always been very interested in the subject. One of the earliest experiences that I remember is having an imaginary friend of a kid, which isn't too crazy.

But it was only after kind of getting heavily into this subject that a picture, you guys should be able to see this, a picture like this that I drew of my imaginary friend when I was a kid, remind me of, you know, the Hopkinsville-Goblin case.

And so it kind of led me to question some of those early experiences and what I thought about them. I have a long history of sleep paralysis. And I've experienced it enough to kind of, you know, start feeling out how I can solve it when I'm in those states. So you start getting some interest in effect. And that always happens to me around March to April every single year without fail. And I don't know if it's something that's psychosomatic and I bring it on around those times of the year or whether something else is going on.

But that's kind of a journey that I'm on kind of discovering. As well as that, I'll give you one of my best UFO sightings. So this was on a Friday night. My girlfriend was over. I like the story because she was with me and multiple people seeing the phenomena is always a bit more compelling I find so she was in the kitchen

dishing everything up and I stepped outside to finish a cigarette and it's always nice to kind of look at the stars on a cold night so there I am looking up and I look over my house and I can see just in a line four orbs and they're not going, move into the sky

in a straight line, going very, very fast, and they're kind of going in a wavy motion, and I can't quite focus on them. They were more kind of look like they were in a bubble, and I could kind of see the shimmer of a light that was in the bubble. It was very weird to explain, but I basically called out to Laura as soon as I saw them, she come out and saw them just as they went over the horizon, and we were just ecstatic. You're just, something like that forever changes you. you know, for all of the discussion we have about this in public, when you see it, you just know. And that's that, you know.

It's good to bring other people on board, but it really does change your life when everything's seen through the lens of when all alone. No, you're completely right, my man. I mean, these events, no matter what they are, they change people in so many different ways. And you guys know that's what I'm all about is the people having those. experiences. So I really have to thank all of you for sharing those with me today. Well, let's get to, I guess, fast forward to 2021, this new endeavor that you guys announced just a few weeks ago, if I'm not mistaken. But I know, you know, the history of getting there has been a little longer. So how did UAP Media UK come about? I know that Adam was another big part of this as well. So if one of you

or all of you want to jump in. Tell us a little about how this came to be, what the endeavor stands for. And yeah, maybe just a little about what you guys are trying to do over there in the UK. Can I kick off with the preface? I was going to tell. Andy should talk because he never, he hopes.

So take it all the time you want. So if we'll get to episodes four, five, and six in a minute, but the prequel was, myself and Dan but having a conversation and I won't name names about a UK-based experiencer who

was going to be appearing on imagine ESPN have like a radio show and they don't talk about UFOs on ESPN in America, you know, so in the UK there's a big sports radio show and in the evening, late night they have kind of different kind of guests on and they're all kind of weird and wacky and they basically announced

they were going to have this guy on to talk about UFOs and his experiences and it wasn't the type of person and I'm not discrediting what has happened or not happened in his life and if he is experiencing what he says but it's just not the type of person you want representing the topic

given the discussion that they're going to have and myself and Dan noted that that was really frustrating that that's how the UK tends to pick up on the topic and it's still kind of laughed at and mocked and joked about and that's what happened on this show it was a show about soccer football

and they just wanted to kind of laugh at the guy, which was a shame. And there's a really good conversation to be had in the mainstream. And I think you've got to be, Ryan, you'll know you're a personality and it comes across and you can be charismatic and entertaining, but you can discuss the topic in a really subjective and objective way. And you know, if someone has a conversation with you who has a fringe interest in the topic, fringe might be the wrong word to give him what we're talking about, but they've got just a passing interest and they still want to laugh at it a bit because they don't understand and they want to

mock. You can joke along but keep bringing them back to the serious aspects of the topic and bringing them in, you know, the military history, the scientific history, what's going on now. You know, we don't have to talk about little green men and flying saucers, but that's what it's like in the UK. So me and Dan had spoke and it was like it'd be great to be able to represent, you know, within the UK and offer up a platform to, you know, to newspapers. papers, radio broadcasts. And listen, we're not talking massive national level here, but literally it was, you know, if someone wanted to talk about UFOs, they could come to a group based in the UK, and we could offer up opinion and relevant opinion. And at the time, we were obviously

really, I was getting to know Dave much better as well. We already spoke to Adam on Twitter, and he'd been doing what he's been doing for a couple of years now, you know, activism, which essentially what it was. And we all just kind of got in touch, and Dave and Adam, shared the same sorts of ideas that you know what we would love to have that same similar conversation and I think given we all had different mediums and backgrounds it was um quite natural and easy to kind of bring that together I'll let the guys come in on on that as well I've not misremembered anything to have a no I think that's yeah probably is how it all started um I mean like having said the UK press kind of likes to make a joke the European

subject you know a couple of newspapers aside because I think it's the independent and the Guardian who actually do cover it from time to time. But then you get other papers, which will include, they'll basically just rewrite someone's blog, some guy who calls himself a self-proclaimed UFO expert. I think we kind of all know who that is, especially in the UK.

But, you know, he's not part of UFO Twitter. He's not part of the UAP research community. He's just some guy who scours Google Earth or looks at the Mars rover's photos, draws little faces, picks up on showers, claims that rocks are crushed sources or, you know, there's giant aliens wandering around Antarctica on Google Earth.

These are the kind of stories that get the notoriety in the UK press. Alternatively, you get the broadcast media who will run, like the X-Piles theme tune or the Twilight Zone theme tune, and that immediately kind of discredits the information that they're going to prevail next, which I think that needs to be stamped out, because how old is the ex-12 now anyway? It's like 30 years old. I was showing my age there.

But I think it's kind of just this whole stigma just never goes away in the UK. And even a couple of weeks ago, the front page of the star on Sunday had this big picture of a UFO in the background above Rendlesham Forest. they said SAS versus ET. And inside the story was like, the SAS is an elite unit of 20 soldiers ready to combat extraterrestrials if they ever land. Yeah. And it's like, well, you're going to need a lot more than 20 for a start.

But this is just, why is that making front page news? It was just like two paragraphs inside. So it's all sensationalism. And they do it just for clicks and readers. and just try and dump down the subjects and that's what we want to try and discourage. We want the conversation to be able to be able to be to a level

where we can have a serious talk about it. You know, it's been talked about at academic level. I mean, you've both you and Andy have spoken to Abbey Lourke recently. So this has been, this subject's been discussed at, you know, that kind of level and there's no reason why the British press can't get involved as well. It might be they just don't know who to turn to or they don't want to put in the research

or they don't want to be looked at as the UFO guy. Right. And I think too, Dave, you're right. You know, it gets overshadowed because the United States is just such a, you know, God, has a monopoly on this topic, it seems, when it comes to media press. And look, it's still stigmatized. ridiculed here as well. But you're right. I mean, we have the New York Times and the New York Post and Washington Post, what have you, trying to catch up, I think, and take this topic seriously.

And you've had amazing individuals who've helped make that happen, people like Christopher Mellon or Luis Alizondo or a Leslie Kane or Ralph Blumenthal to show that you can take this topic seriously. journalism and not have to use the Little Green Man or Flying Saucer, you know, kind of memes that we're all used to. So, no, it's good to know that you guys have created a place where the press can go and be like, okay, here's this, here's this, let's put something together. So, I mean, moving past just, you know, highlighting articles over at UAP Media UK, are there any other endeavors that you guys are trying to undertake. I know here in the U.S., we're trying to get this big thing going with talking to our Congress people and our senators and whatnot. And rumor is that you guys are kind of trying to get

something similar going on over there as well. Does anyone want to talk on that front? Yeah, absolutely. Ideally, it would be great to join forces with the big phone home and do it at the same time. The UK is part of the Five Eyes intelligence network. You know, there are political associations, there's what our prime minister refers to as a special relationship with America. So I think there's a lot of potential there. Well, I think the most important thing is coming together. You know, I feel like all these endeavors begin and then they start to splinter off into different camps or different tribes, as we call it here in America.

You know, you've got the UFO Twitter crowd who is very into one. thing, but not willing to look at another. Whereas I've spoken to all three of you at length, off hair, and realized, wow, okay, we have more in common than we don't, which I think is important too. And when you look at something like UFO Twitter, which all of us are members of, you find a community that's so passionate that they're willing to have those debates in arguments. And when you have people, you know, condescending something like a UFO Twitter saying, oh, it's just a bunch of trolls, you know, just shouting in an echo chamber. That's simply not the case.

There's incredible conversations going on over there. So I guess kind of playing off of that, let's talk about, Andy, this interview you just did with Mr. Luis Elizondo. Now, I've gone on the record and saying this is probably my question. my favorite interview that has been done with Luis Elizondo to date. You were able to, I think, pull a humanistic side out of this guy who's not willing to share a lot about his personal life, which is just amazing. I remember, like, I started listening to it when I went outside and I said, I'm just going to walk around my block, listen to a little bit. And, dude, I ended up walking like four miles away from my apartment just so I could hear the whole thing without,

stopping. So tell us a little about the interview. And then there's a couple specific things I want to ask you about how it went and get all of your thoughts. But yeah, what is your general thought on how that interview went? It's funny how you were listening to my interview when you were walking. When I got the phone call to say that I was going to be getting the interview and when it was going to be, I was listening to your interview out walking. I'm not even joking. That's not me blowing smoke up, Ryan's, you know, whatever. So, Yeah, I'm going to give Dan a shout out here because even with the questions, I had written a raft of questions after listening to John Greenwald's Black Vault interview that I really liked.

There were some things that he never talked about that I was, oh, that'll be good. And then I listened to yours. Again, I thought it was a great follow-up to John's. You didn't cover the same ground that John had either. So I felt, and how I introduced my interview, and I meant this, was that I really saw it as a part three to those other two interviews. And I immediately got into it and just followed on some kind of different question paths. And just about 45 minutes, half an hour before I actually spoke to Lou, myself and Dan, were actually still sitting, pouring over the wording of the questions.

And Dan would say, what about asking this? And at all but not use that word, what about this? And then Dan would come back with, okay, that's good, but add in this. So we were still messing about with just the wording to make sure everything we asked got the most out of it, but also allowed Lou to share without, he doesn't like to give his opinion because he doesn't feel it's entirely relevant, which is incredible.

But we wanted to make sure he didn't give too many, I can't discuss that. And it was really for the audience, as much as we're asking Lou the questions, it's people seek out Lou, in his answers. The interview, I loved it. It was great.

It flew by, Ryan, you'll know, 60 minutes is not a long time. So as I was doing it, I had Dan on assistant. as well in the background with it. And we're mentally editing the show live as I was doing it and taking out questions I was going to ask because I had a whole list.

And, you know, things change as Lou brings them up and just trying to link all that stuff together. And the feedback, yeah, it has been incredible. It's a bit of a dream. And like I tweeted, it's that cheesy. You don't meet your heroes, but genuinely Lou is someone I've got a lot of respect for, especially in this subject.

And he did not disappoint. And he was a gent before during, and after the interview as well. So hopefully that's answered part of your question. Absolutely. Well, I mean, I will just piggyback and say he is. He's just a gentleman. And the fact that he's being so open and willing right now to speak to everyone in the UFO community,

where I feel, I don't know if you guys feel the same if you want to chime in here, but when To the Stars first came around and, you know, there was kind of a tight lid on these guys when it came to doing press. And I kind of felt like, especially Tom DeLong, that we weren't going to be a part of the conversation, that we weren't going to be like even involved with any of this. And I will say, you know, I was hesitant at first to really be all in when it came to the stars, which I don't think anyone should be all in on any of this stuff.

You should always, you know, stay, keep a little distance. But it felt like we were kind of being ignored. UFO researchers who'd been doing this way longer than I have and really got this topic out there and then kind of like we fell on deaf ears. But now I feel that someone like Lou who has transparently left to the Stars Academy is embracing the community like never before. So I feel like finally we can have these conversations with this dude

who I feel kind of was on a leash at one point. So what do you guys think? This huge media blitz he seems to be doing now is incredible. Why do you think that is that he's doing that? I think is, as you said, he's free of the chains of TTSA now. Yeah. I mean, right from the get-go in that press conference that was held in front of nobody except a few cameras back in October 2017,

they said that they want to reach the people who aren't interested in UFOs. They want to start the conversation with those kind of people. So I think from the get-go they were saying, look, we know about the UAP research community, you just go on doing what you're doing. We're going to take this to a different audience. And to be honest, at that point, the UFO community was a complete mess. I mean, there was some pretty fanciful, fanciful claims knocking about. The wrong kind of people were getting the exposure. And I think that's why they just told one look, said, no, we'll go somewhere else.

I think it was very telling Ryan and Dave and Dan we spoke about this, the way John Greenwald's interview opened up, he went to ask his first question, and Lou interrupted to make a point of apologising for the interview not having happened previously. And he actually made a point again of saying on more than one occasion, that for me was as passive aggressive as Lou would probably. get as you see him in his interviews and you could tell there was a little bit of frustration there that this should have been happening already and it wasn't. I don't feel he has to apologize for that, but I think that was a pretty telling statement and way to open that interview.

Yeah, I'd have to agree. Well, in terms of your interview, Andy, I'd love to get all your thoughts on this. You know, we have this Pentagon Task Force here in the United States that has started up. And I mean, from what we've heard, whether it's either through outlets like the debrief of these leaked UAP reports that they've been looking at, or people like Chris Mellon saying, yeah, like, it's, there doesn't even seem to be a budget attached to this thing. You made a point of asking Lou, you know, straight up, like what he thought about not only the task force, but this report that has to be given, well, it doesn't have to be, but is. being demanded to be given to the public here in the United States about their findings here in the United States about UAP. Lou said something in your interview that really caught my attention. And if I'm getting this wrong, please correct me.

The UAPTF or the report was built to fail. And that really kind of stopped me in my tracks because I'm like, wow, yeah. I mean, you would know more than anyone having worked a Pentagon UFO program, just what he's seeing, like the, the kind of the way it's going. What do you guys think? Is this thing in the United States mean anything? Should we look forward to it?

Or is it just going to be nothing? Yeah, so he said it was set up to fail. And he didn't say deliberately. He just felt the way it came across and that interview wasn't that someone went, we'll give them 180 days. That won't be enough and this is going to be a mess. It was more a case of,

okay, here's six months, which may be enough time for certain, you know, things like that to go through, but nothing to do with this topic, but he feels it's just nowhere need enough time, and he mentioned he felt double that would be, would be better almost a year. Chris Mellon, I think, has said pretty much the same on Twitter as well. I think people have to, regardless what does or doesn't come out within it, there's of course going to be a declassified report, but no doubt there'll be another report in the background we don't get to see, regardless what's going to be in that. People have to temper their expectations.

people are expecting there to be talk of, okay, here's the crash saucers, we have, okay, here's where the aliens are from, okay, here's when President Eisenhower really met them, that was never going to be in it anyway. For me, there'll be a lot of language and jargon that's probably not necessarily relevant and more from a military tactical point of view.

I would have liked to have seen more of a best case assessment or some assessments as to here's what they may be, ideally with a line in there about off world, different dimension, different reality. I doubt the word alien will be in that report whatsoever. I would even doubt other planets would be in there, but

just something to hint towards this may be something that we all hope or know that it could be and that we build on it from there. So yeah, the line of set up to fail and just its context you have to build in that

it wasn't deliberate, but they just feel it's never going to be enough time. And the political situation in the US, I don't know exactly how much that that's going to affect things with the administration's changing. The head of the task force has changed recently as well. And like you say, there's apparently no funding in place. But then like Lou talked about when he was in his role and ate it, he didn't necessarily need funding for a lot of it because the funding was going to other areas and all he had to know was the right people. He didn't need funding to go and pull radar data. He just had to know the guy to go to, to get that information.

So I don't necessarily think the funding as such might be the issue. Right. And I mean, the other big thing, too, is Lou knows the people in this task force, which I think is integral to this going anywhere. You know, I always had this idea of, well, you got this guy who's willing to, like, talk about all this, but he left the government. So are they even going to, like, consult with him about it? or are they starting from scratch?

And I do wonder, you know, is this going to be like, again, kind of breaking everything down and rebuilding it again in the way that they see fit? But yeah, do you guys have any thoughts on this stuff going on in the US? Do you have any hope for it or should we temper our expectations? Well, I think we're going to get pretty much what we got when we kind of requested for the elongated version of those three videos. So they said, oh, we could give you some more.

but it contains classified information that we don't want to, you know, end up in the hands of our adversaries, that kind of thing. So I think, as you and Andy have said, we do need temporary expectations because we're not going to get everything. They're not going to give us everything anyway because they don't have to. We're going to get kind of like the super diluted version. It may just be an acknowledgement of something happened here at such a. in such a time. We've looked into it. We can't give you any more information.

I think that's what we need to be working ourselves up to. Not, oh, yeah, the Ninnits case, we've got all the data for that whole week kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. Dan, what do you think? I think it's really important directly because of what the guys have said, for all of us to get to know our political representatives, because they're the guys who have the clearance to read the part of the report that, let's be honest,

all of us really, really would love to read. And we've already heard from Lou that the briefings include stuff that we haven't seen, data that's a lot more compelling. So I think to build this conversation and to put something more permanent in place that isn't kind of stimmy by that 180-day demand, if we engage our representatives, they'll engage the issue for us. and once you're in a conversation with those guys, who knows? Maybe you can twist their arm and it's telling you something on a golf truck or something like that.

That's a good point. I mean, I remember, you know, directly after one of those briefings, Senator Mark Warner here in the U.S. came out and the dude looked as white as a ghost. You know, he went in there thinking, I'm going to see a grainy video, this one that's been on the news and all that. Cool. Like, maybe we'll laugh about it. it and he came out and like you said like these guys were briefed on things that we're not aware of

much more compelling things than just the tick-tac video or the go fast so that gives me hope that there's a lot still out there that um I think our representatives are trying to digest right now because again like they don't think about UFOs they don't even talk about UFOs on a daily basis like we do or even someone like Lou does or or these Navy pilots that were involved with these things. So I understand why they need time. I think that's another thing. Lou keeps bringing up in a lot of interviews is give these guys some time. Like this isn't something that they have worked on. These people in the task force, they're not UFO investigators. They haven't been doing this a long time. So we got to,

we got to give them time to catch up, which I completely understand. And no, I don't think 180 days is enough to get anything done. So we'll probably see that. extended. We might get something, but yeah, yeah, I look forward to whatever happens. It can only, hey, the way I look at it, if we get anything, that's going to move this topic forward and the conversation forward. Well, let's not focus too much on the United States here. That's not why I have the three of you here. Let's talk about a controversial individual in your neck of the woods, probably the most visible person in the UK who supposedly worked for the MOD investigating UFO. So I would love to get all your opinions on this.

I believe it was the UFO researcher Philip Mantle who has been claiming that Nick Pope, the gentleman who worked for the MOD, investigating UFOs, isn't who he says he is. And I'm not a show where I get into, you know, a lot of, controversy and gossip, but I would love to get your three guys' opinions on Nick Pope as a person, as an investigator. Do you believe he did what he said he did? Or is this just another way of kind of doing what they did DeLoo here in the United States and kind of try to discredit him? So anyone who's willing to give their opinion on this, I'd love to hear it. Do you want me to start? Yeah, please, Dave. I know you've written about Nick extensively in the magazine. So yeah,

That's do it, man. And I don't want to get you on the wrong side of anyone. But yeah, what do you think about this? No, no, I mean. But Nick was in the very first issue. I mean, he was one of the first people to respond when I said I was going to launch the magazine, which was great of him. And I thought that at the time.

Now, Nick Pope has always claimed that he was the head of the UFO arm of the MOD, when in fact he was just, according to. the MED itself. I'll just read this here because I'm written it down. In a letter that is available through the National Archives in the UK dated December 97 it says regarding Mr Nicholas Pope he was a junior desk officer in the Secretariat Air Staff 2A section from 91 to 94 and was not in charge of or the head of any part of the Secretariat Air Staff 2A. Mr. Pope was an executive officer and share the support of one administrative officer, unexplained sightings represented a small part of his overall duties.

And that's from his former bosses. So he's kind of like over-exaggerated his role. And I think part of that is due to the media in the UK because at that when the X-Files came out, they kind of latched onto the fact that there may be like a department such as the X-Files in the MOD. So they were looking for a spokesperson, and I'm pretty sure that Nick just put his hand,

became the go-to guy for all unexplained phenomena and UFO reports, and then he's kind of run with it. I mean, that's just my opinion. But he has, I mean, I've heard stories about him from other researchers, especially in the UK, where he'll be sat in the front row of a conference, scribbling down notes, of a certain person speaking,

and then he'll use those notes to pass off as his own research in future conference appearances. I mean, I've heard that from a couple of guys, and I think in the latest issue of Outer Limits magazine, they've done a big kind of report on the stuff that Philip Mantor was sending around, and he got the evidence for the MOD, so, you know,

there is no smoke without fire. What do you guys think? So I've interviewed Philip Mantle and spoken to Philip Mantle separately about his situation with Nick Pope, if you want to call it that. Dr David Clark that I had on recently about Rendell Shum. I had a similar conversation. I interviewed Nick Pope as well back near the start of the podcast and a broadcast that went terribly because of bandwidth issues. So I don't disagree with a lot of what's coming out. And it's not disagree because it's fact.

It's, you know, it's there in black and white like Dave's talked about. However, I don't totally think Nick Pope's out there just lying to everyone. I would say the media have, it looks like, greatly exaggerated what his role has been over the passage of time. He is when the papers report things, it's usually Nick Pope, MOD correspondent, or the UK's Foxmulder would be how the papers in the UK tend to report it. So I don't think that's necessarily all Nick Pope's fault. I think he has maybe allowed the exaggerated reports of what his job was just to go on. But I do think he's potentially been privy to some information, not necessarily directly,

but that has allowed him to kind of build this career that he has. Because let's not forget he still went on to be. He's an author. He is, you know, an alien con coming up as well online with Chase Clutz-K and whatnot. He is a talking head on almost every U.S. documentary series going out there as well. That doesn't instantly give you credit, mind you, given some of the names that also appear on those shows.

I don't think it's the complete charlatan people are making out, but I certainly feel there's been an exaggerated role that's been allowed to be built up over time. And do you know what? Fair play Nick has gone and made a successful career and living out of that. I don't think he's been investigating UFOs the way it's made out, but I don't doubt he's been privy to some conversations that have allowed him to potentially sound in the know or be more in the know than some would let on. So I play a little bit of devil's advocate with it, but like Dave says, there's no smoke without fire.

I would say it's more been greatly exaggerated. Gotcha. What about you, Dan? Anything to add? Yeah. For me, I love that Andy said the UK's Foxmala, because that's how I was introduced to Nick Pope's work. And over the years, you can read a lot of what Nick Pope puts out. And there's not a lot of new things that come into the narrative. So for me, Nick's value rests in the fact that he's someone that takes these ideas seriously, has a little bit of knowledge of what goes on behind that veil of bureaucracy, we'll say.

and can kind of help us navigate her a little bit. I think I'd be with Andy in saying that the reputation was exaggerated and not corrected and you get 10 years down the road and it's all out of hand. But he's not in the desert charging people thousands of dollars to see fliers drop by planes. So there's a level of harmlessness to it. Yeah. I think also we need to add that, you know, without him, whatever we think of him on a personal level,

he probably got a lot of people into the subject, whether directly or indirectly. So I think the benefit of him still being around, I mean, I know that I think it was Room 101, they don't think you put him into the bin, did you? No. Okay, that's good thing. No, I, you know, yeah, Andy's having PTSD of the,

101's for sure or he's just blacked it out of his mind um no i would have to agree with the with all three of you guys um i've met nick he's a gentleman through and through he's extremely um eloquent in the way he presents things and uh yeah you know i mean it is what it is it's tough especially when you have someone like john burroughs one of the prime witnesses of the randalsham forest incident um kind of saying that nick isn't who he says he is or did what he said he did It's hard. So, I mean, I guess we're kind of all on the same page when it comes to that. It is what it is.

And he has introduced a lot of us to the UFO topic. I remember, again, he was the British Fox Mulder for me here in the United States. So it is what it is. But let's move on to another very controversial character. Big Bobby Lasers, Bob Lizar. I would love to hear all of your. thoughts on this. As many people know watching this and listening, I have been a huge advocate of Mr. Lazar for many years, and that comes more from a want to believe than actual data and

evidence. And probably in the past few months, I've really started to get on the other side of Bob Lazar on the non-believer side, but that does not mean I completely discount everything this man has to say. So, Andy, let's go in order here, ascending order. What are your thoughts on Bob Lazard, everything that Bob Bigelow is brought forward with him and George Knapp and Jeremy Corpelle. Give us your thoughts on Bob Lazar, if you don't mind. I like the way you preface that, that it's more of a want to know than that you've necessarily got the evidence, but you've also just brought up a name that I was discussing with Danny Silva a couple of hours ago. George Knapp, for me, is the one that really lends a lot of credibility to Bob Lazard and his story. I'm a huge fan

of George Knapp. I've got a lot of respect for him. I like his style. I like his appearance he's on coast to coast, you know, mystery wire, anything he's done in the past. So I've got a huge respect for George Knapp and don't feel he would have gone along with this story for what now, 32 years or more, had there not been something to it,

even with the little bumps in the road. You know, everyone goes straight to Bob Lazar's education, the bits that are missing. And then obviously we had the documentary with Jeremy Corb, Bell, the FBI raid in his offices, but then there's Bob Lazar's potentially nefarious backstory involving strip club investments and everything like that, and people have lives and for me there definitely seems to be something to it. I believe he did work on a project. The fact is Bob Lazar has come out and talked about an element that didn't exist before it

existed, which now exists. Bob Lazar has had, has made something. credible claims that he did work on reverse engineer flying saucers in Groom Lake. The evidence, of course, is something that you're probably never going to see or find out, because the only way to prove it would be for someone to pull open a hanger and go, yeah, there it is. You know, there's Bob's on check-in sheet and checkout sheet next to that saucer over there, and we're not going to get that. I love the story.

It's quite a romantic one in euphology, but it's one that still has stuck around nonetheless. Bob Lazar is an intelligent guy I think he's very charismatic and like I say you get drawn into that story for me it's one I want to believe and I think there's a lot of truth within the story if

and like we've just talked about before some of it maybe Bob has gone along with and built up in the myth and the law over the years but on the flip side of what Dave talked about with Nick Pope I don't think there's smoke without fire with that story so yeah yeah the answer

are always somewhere in between, I think, with this entire topic. Dave, what do you think? Well, I mean, I like the story and I like Bob as a person every time I've seen him on, whatever, whether it was on Larry King, you know, rest in peace, or, you know, the Jeremy Corbell documentary, I have a lot of time for Jeremy Corbell, mainly because he got behind the mag as well, as you did. and, you know, he managed to get Bob to answer a few of my questions, which appeared in an interview in issue six.

But I think his story is just one of those where you really, really, really want it to be true and you want the facts to line up and you want to know that, yes, there was a crashed vehicle in S4, whether it was a recent crash or a historical one, or as has been mentioned in the past, an archaeological one, you know this could be something that was found in the desert in the Middle East a thousand you know that crashed a thousand years ago which was flown back over but in the fact that he came out and he said I'm coming out to save my own life and like Andy said George Knapp is one of the most credible people and reporters

that I think we all know and I don't think that he would get sucked into a story like that considering everything else that's been going on in euphology over the last 30 years years. I mean, Bob disappeared for a while. He set up his own company for a while, which deals with, you know, government contracts relating to nuclear elements or nuclear materials. So you don't get that kind of job if you've lied about your role in the government program and you're perceived as a threat to the government because of what you know. Yeah. Yeah. Again, I think there's there's so many elements to it that just fall into place and some that it's like trying to Yeah, there you go, brother. Well, hey, you bring up element 115. That's one of the biggest issues

I have, and I know other podcasters and whatnot have brought this up recently, is he supposedly buried the element somewhere in a desert somewhere, this story we've heard for many years. And the fact that if that's the case, dude, like, we could use that right now. Whatever Element 115 does, if we're able to stabilize it somehow and whatever energy it uses, maybe it could benefit us in humanity right now, yet he's choosing not to bring that forward. So I always take issue with that whole Element 115 thing. I take issue with the autobiography that came out about Lazar. I was so looking forward to that book.

And Element 115 wasn't mentioned once in the entire book, which completely disappointed me. And it was just one of the worst written books I've read in a really long time. So I'm just being brutally honest about that. But now I'm going to throw it over to you, Dan, who I know will be a lot more kinder, I hope, in terms of Bob Lazar. Or maybe not. Maybe not. Give us your thoughts, man.

So whenever people ask me about Boblazar, when I say that, I mean, like, friends asking for, you know, give you something about this guy that I saw on Netflix. I always refer them to that really old cheesy video that Bob Lazar made, where he's in the desert with his car. I don't know if you've seen that one, Ryan. And it's amazing. And he gets to present his own information, which is why I really like that. video. And in that video, you can really separate his claims into two parts. The one claim is what he

saw and then the other claim is what he read. Now, we all know the government played disinformation games. So what he read and what was given to him in, you know, the binder in the room to read through, that could all be nonsense. But it really demonstrates that when we have someone that talks about these kind of things, all it takes is for them to believe that it's real, for them to start spreading the story as if it is. Then on the other side, we have the stuff that he saw, which is something that I find myself constantly juggling. It's something that's in a grey basket, and unless he ever comes forward and gives us the 1-15, we're never going to be able to to confirm it one way or the other.

But until then, it's a very cool story, and I wonder why no one's made a movie so far. Tell me about it. I know at one point Matt Damon was attached to it, from what I've been doing. Was Matt Damon going to play Bob Lazare? Yes, yeah. Well, have you guys seen that music video about Bob Lazare?

Some, like, hip-hop artists, I think out in Los Angeles, made like a whole music video based around Bob. and it was like the quality was like A-list movie making. Whoever the actor was that played Lazard in this music video, we got to get him because he was perfect.

But yeah, I... Ryan, Ryan, yeah, yeah. Can I just ask it? I think it's the Bob Lazar story screams out for a one-man theater monologue production. And I think next time you're looking for some inspiration, that might be a...

That might be your work of art, you know? Are you hearing that Broadway? please, please. I would support that. I would support that. I'm unemployed. If I can make a one-man show out of Babelzar and have him star in it, that would be amazing.

But actually, on that, no, Ryan. The trial of Bobazar in a similar way to a few good men. I think that would go really well. And then you can have the actors come through the audience and interact. It would be very cool. I love both Blood Brothers.

I love that. Dave, what were you going to say, man? Well, I was going to say after your, you know, your Larry Warren screen. play was filmed online in September, you know, this is a perfect opportunity for you to pick up a pen and write it. That's true, my man. But hey, I don't know. Larry Warren gave me death threat. I don't know if Bobbler would do the same. But that's a story for another time. I guess let's move

on to kind of the last core topic I'd love to talk to you guys about. And then I have listener questions if you're willing to stick around for some of those. I think we got some really good ones. CE5 movement. This is kind of big right now. You have like the nuts and bolts government UFO issue going on. And then you've got this whole other side of this topic that has to do with a more metaphysical side to all of this. And, you know, I've given my thoughts on CE5 in the past.

I think it's very interesting. I've never done it. so I can't really speak on it. But do you guys have any thoughts on this, this idea of us initiating contact with aliens instead of vice versa? And what are the traps that we might fall in when it comes to that? And yeah, whoever's willing to comment on the whole CE5 movement we have in the UFO field right now. Please be my guess.

Well, I want to defer to what Lou answered in Andy's podcast. If it works, it works. Brilliant. I mean, I haven't got the patience to see I in the field and, you know, try and meditate and try and get something to acknowledge my presence. It's just the kind of person I am because my brain is just going off all the time. So, you know, if it does work, that's great. And it's a personal experience, I think. I don't think you can have the big group meditations and the big group kind of sightings without.

As we said earlier, someone in a plane dropping a load of flares. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Dan, what do you think, man? So I actually have a few experiences, and I stopped kind of playing with it, just because it worked a little too well. And after talking to Sean Cahill a bit about how we interact with the phenomena and how we don't really understand what it is in spite of whatever we may feel when it takes place,

I decided not to engage so much with it. I started feeling a bit like, you know, deep down in the ocean, you get those, I forget the name of the fish, but it has the light out in front of it. I started feeling a little bit like that. Not that it made me feel that way, but, you know, I put a defense up there. And I found that it hasn't worked for me since I kind of took that attitude, which I thought was interesting. In terms of my experiences with it, they would go something like, you know, I've had so many. And Laura was with me for one that we had in Breckon, where we were staring up near, we were looking at Mars because it was really high on the horizon.

And there was just, there were no satellites or anything like that. And I jokingly kind of asked her if she was ready to initiate. And she said, yeah, okay, fine, let's do it. So we sat down and it's nice to kind of listen to the breeze and the trees and things like that in a scenario in an environment like that. So it's very relaxing. But we both looked in one direction suddenly. and right where we looked there was this giant flash and it weirded us out that we looked in that particular direction

and after that we started kind of asking for a reaction and then waiting for different amounts of time so we could make sure it wasn't a plane or a satellite or you know an iridium flare or something like that and it genuinely felt like we made a connection So my opinion on CE5 is that it's real, but we don't know what we're dealing with, so be careful. Tread lightly, exactly. I do think that CE5 is an extremely personal experience, just as any UFO sighting is.

Like it's going to mean something to you more than it will anyone you tell about it or anyone else that's there. So, yeah, Andy, anything to add when it comes to CE5? yeah you don't have to pay in 999 for an app for it to work um like dan's experiences prove that as well um lou mentioned when i asked him about you the mankind versus mankind's statement he made and he brought up the the i wasn't expecting as much as they gave but the expanded point on perhaps these these objects are some of the phenomena because it's an umbrella topic um they experience our present and over a longer period potentially.

I am not that mathematically are, you know, physics inclined, so I'm going to explain this really badly. But if these things are always there potentially, but we just can't see them because they're in a different reality or a different point in time or they don't experience time the same way, perhaps when, you know, Dan and his partner go to practice CE5 or anyone goes to do it, that they're tuning in to a frequency or a point that these things become visible.

and that connection's made and with consciousness playing such a big part and all of this, we keep hearing more and more about consciousness, perhaps you're just forming a connection at that point in time, if you want to call it time

and at that moment where these things and you are interacting in a totally different space and that's where Dan says he thinks you get like a feeling when you're there almost like you're disconnecting a little bit from this reality. It's not just like when I saw the black triangle

or when I saw that craft on its side, that there was nothing like that. I was just seeing an object and maybe C.E. 5, it's that more spiritual conscious side of it. And that's why people get these weird feelings and it's almost like a tuning in of a different frequency. So I think that maybe ties into what Lou talked about a little bit more on my podcast that people understand far better than I do. I won't even pretend Dan's, Dan's really good with that kind of stuff, to be honest. And that's what I talk to him about. But yeah, I think there's a definite element there of you're tuning into something else. And Dan again is absolutely spot on when he talks about, you know,

Sean Kay Hill and talks all about meditation and vibration and, you know, the universe all being one potentially. You're playing about with things that you don't, no one really understands. So absolutely paying $2,000 and a half thousand dollars to stand on a beach and watch a pilot drop flares off the coast is no doubt beautiful, depending on the scenery. But it's certainly not getting you in touch with any alien beings.

And I think all three of you stressed this idea. that there will always be individuals in this field who want to take advantage of people's belief systems. When they are in that vulnerable state of wanting to see something or expecting something, they will. And that can cloud your judgment. And we've dealt with that in so many different ways in this field throughout the decades of charlatans and people's stories changing and morphing into something unrecognizable from the original story. And it's just, that's the way it is.

And that'll always be a part of this whole UFO issue, as it were. So I'm with you guys. I think while I'm not personally one to try CE5, I think, hey, if you think it's going to work, then do it. And you're going to interpret it one way and someone will interpret it another. But yeah, let's not charge people to go out in the woods and kumbaya. Let's get the mothership here. And I don't want to, I don't want that to sound disparaging either because that could happen. But I agree with you guys.

I think if this is going to help somebody in their life, do it. We live in a world where a lot of people are scared and uncertain of what's going to come next and questioning their mortality or, you know, just everything in between that if this is going to make you happy, then do it. Just be careful because you don't know what's going to happen. What's up, guys, Ryan Sprag here, and I'm just dropping in to remind you about our Patreon campaign. Somewhere in the Skies is always free to consume, but it's not free to create. So if you want to help the show on a monthly basis, we have tons of rewards for you in return, including shoutouts on the show and website, bonus content and episodes, and free merge.

Want to be my guest or pick a topic for the show? You can do that too. If you'd like to learn more and to help support the show, visit patreon.com slash somewhere skies. Thank you and keep looking up. For our listener questions, our first one comes from, appropriately, UK UAP on Twitter. And they ask, what is your best guess of who is holding the secrets to UAP in the UK? Which government department or contractor? Do any of you guys have any thoughts or theories on that?

we'll be in quiet because it's going to get political is it is it hey hey as long as it's not US politics I'm okay yeah I mean there was a thinking back of the 90s that there was a place called Rudlow Manor right right which Timothy Good spoke out about at length in his books beyond top secret and above top secret but now that's disused but that was supposed to have been

the British kind of area 51. You know, apparently it's got these massive bases on the ground, subterranean levels going down miles, but it's never been absolutely confirmed. And I think it's also been hijacked as well by that particular theory has been hijacked by, you know, people who talk about black goo. You know, people who talk about super soldiers, Q and on and all that kind of thing.

which is going on now. And I don't think that if there was something there, we would have heard about it possibly. I mean, there had been claims in the past, but with regards to UAP information, I don't think we will get to know 100% who's holding the keys. It could be GCHQ as they're part of the Five Eyes program. It could be the British Navy.

It could be Whitehall. At this moment in time, we don't know. be a department we haven't even heard of yet. Yeah. I am, I never hide the fact that Dave and Dan are the details guys, I ask them for a lot of detail on stuff. They are far better, and I've got a terrible memory. So I can only share a bit of an opinion on this one. I think part of the issue is, from a British point of view,

there is no appetite whatsoever across any level of politics to discuss this topic or for it to be addressed. I would say, and I don't mean this to be disparaging to the US or to compliment the UK. I think from a UK point of view, if there was a small secret group in charge of this, they would be far better at keeping it secret than it would in the US.

I don't think... You son of... I just think the US political system is like odd from a distance because in the UK, it's like, do you know, if you've seen Futurama, you know, the two political candidates that run one's Bob Robertson

and the other one's Robert Bobson and they're just the same person. but the US political system where you've got really two parties is really weird whereas in the UK they all just seem to talk about the exact same thing but then argue about the exact same thing it's just an odd set-up so I think we potentially would have have people dealing with it and I've had guests say to me that yeah it's actually being looked at I just think we're very good at keeping it a secret unfortunately

whereas in the US and that's something like Lou and Chris Mellon and stuff have talked about that it's very compartmentalised in the US So I think there are more aspects of the US government that know bits and pieces of information. But it's just a little bit all over the place and disorganised. And that's why it's so hard to kind of ban it all together. So I think it's probably two extremes of the same spectrum. So there's definitely an interest somewhere and someone's looking at it. If the US have an interest, the UK have an interest,

because that's how it works being the little brother, our little sister, as it feels sometimes. But yeah, it's something I would say we definitely have. Keeping on the wraps. Gotcha. Anything to add, Dan? Just really to second of that, I think that

UK-US relationship is really vital. You know, in the history of UK euphology, we don't have as many opportunities throughout that history where we've recovered crash craft and debris and things like that. So if there was a program,

it may be kept secret better, but we probably don't have have good stuff. So we probably defer to our big brother, which is you guys. Yeah. But, you know, Winston Churchill did send a memo that said,

you know, can you tell me about this flying saucer thing that's got all the Americans in the flap, you know, paraphrasing there, but that's the gist of it. And a program called the Working Party was set up by Sir Henry Tizard, I believe,

but that was dissolved in 1952, saying that we've analyzed all these flying source reports and there's no threat that we can see. So we're just going to ignore it. But did they? That's the question. Look at Project Blue Book said the same exact thing. And now we're learning that A-TIP was supposedly going on the entire time. So, yeah, I don't know.

Who knows? Who knows? Well, let's move on to Strayf on Twitter. And I'm going to pull up a photo here. bear with me for just a moment gentlemen all right boom does this photo look familiar to any of you guys I remember taking it yeah

I knew it Andy I knew you were the culprit behind this one um well strafe on Twitter asks what are your guys thoughts on the Kelvin UFO file and the MOD classifying it for another 55 years what is up with that does anyone want comment on that. Okay, well, this was the case that Nick Pope, going back to earlier, would always say was his kind of family moment in while he was working there. But according to, I think it was David, Dr. David Clark,

I think he might have mentioned it in the interview with Andy that those hikers who took the picture that has never been seen outside of the Daily Record who'd lost the negatives, the daily record being a Scottish newspaper. Outside of that and the officials, that photograph has never been seen. We've only seen like a bio sketch of it, I think, or a pen sketch, pencil sketch. And the American government or the American secret services got so head up that this photo actually existed because it was supposed to have been of a secret experimental craft. And I spoke to Nick Cook, the author of 100thor zero point before Christmas. The interview is going on the next issue.

And he kind of suggested that that was the case that this was something that should never have been seen by anyone outside of, you know, the US program plus the pilots who were escorting or kind of shadowing, you know, this experimental craft when it was photographed. So as for it being a UFO file, and as for the MOD, you know, keeping it secret for another 50 years. They've claimed it's because there's people's names in there, which, who are still alive, and they don't want to compromise national secrets

or possibly the special relationship that we have with America. Fair enough. Do you guys have anything to add about the Calvite? It may not be a UFO. You know, I kind of lean towards what Dave just said. He covered the majority of stuff, but I still really want to see the photo, know. It's the mystery of growing. Nick talks about it like

it says, you know, he's called the Fox Molder of the UK and Foxn Molda had that famous poster on his wall and this was supposed to be Nick's poster. So I really want to see it. I would just add that again, I would go with what the guy said and Dave, thanks for bringing up the interview as well because it was quite interesting

when that was brought up on it. This is probably ours as in human tech. Yes, it's probably the US. Yes, it's been pushed away again because the US weren't happy it came out. However, I would like to know where that came from. How did we get that tech? How have we got something

like that just floating along the Scottish hills? That for me then is where did we get that technology? And that's when people come out with, oh yeah, you know, TR3B, which is my pet hate in euphology, when people quote things that they think they know what they're talking about, but they don't. This technology

has come from somewhere. It's a hell of a leap from jet engines and fuel. So there's still a fast point for me of, yeah, it's probably secret governmental tech. Yeah, but that's incredible. That's such a generational leap in technology. I still want to know the backstory of how we've or suddenly

define physics. So, yeah, I'd still want to know a lot more. Can you remember what year it was? No, I don't know. Yeah. I don't actually take a photo. No. Well, I mean, well, you bring up TR3B and that's a good point, Andy, is

you know, the triangular UFO mystery is huge here in the US. And I know it is in the UK and other places as well. And we are supposedly hearing that one of these is transmedium, that it's emerging from the water coming out and then jetting off. So I mean, that again, that's a technological leap unlike anything we seem to possess, especially back in the 19, what was it, the early 90s when they said that the explanation for every triangular UFO was a stealth bomber or this or that. So I do have to wonder, especially, when people like Lou and Top Gun pilots are saying,

not a chance, not a chance in hell, we have Transmedium technology yet. So, yeah, maybe we'll know someday what Calvin was. But yeah, did you want to add something, Andy? Yeah, do you remember what Chris Merlin said to David Marler? I've got David Marler coming on my podcast in a few weeks, who's like one of the world's foremost experts in Triangle UFOs, and he's got that really cool library.

But I don't know, Ryan, do you remember what he said? Chris Melon thought Triangle UFOs were? in terms of origin, no, but I find it fascinating about the whole idea of like surveying an area. Yeah. That's it. Okay. So for me, I'm really interested that Chris Mellon shared his opinion on that because that's not something he ever really does. And he made a point of getting that in that show, which was still a show, it wasn't live, that do you know what I think these are? Because I felt when David Marlow was talking, you could see Chris Mellon's eyes lighting up a little bit as if this guy has heard on those things that are correct and you could see him really desperate to share.

And I think that was Chris Merlin just dropping us a little rare nugget of information of, I think these things are surveying the earth. It's a very exact detail to think. Yeah, absolutely. And again, like the triangles, I'll tell you guys this. I've been working on a big article right now about a gentleman who saw a triangle. and go on five separate occasions over a naval air station here in the United States. Never came forward, tried to report it once, and they laughed him off.

And I've been trying like hell to get in touch with whether it's, you know, the Pentagon spokesperson or the Navy point of contact for press. They've been giving me the runaround for months and months. And then finally, I went to the actual base where these thing happened. And I said, hey, guess what? this guy back in these two years, he had five separate UFO sightings over your base. I'm going to come forward with his name and everything. So if you want to add anything to this, please feel free.

And after two months of them not contacting me, they called me within 10 minutes after I sent that message off to them. So it's clear, you know, they want to keep a lid on certain things. They want to give us the run around when it comes to, it could possibly be some sort of top secret tech they're working on. but I'll be interested to see how that phone call goes. If you guys don't hear from me after that phone call, someone's got to take the reins for somewhere in the skies. Right. Can I just ask?

Dan raised a really interesting point to me before I spoke to Lou about Transmedium Travel. And we always hear about these objects. Dan probably knows where I'm going here, traveling through space and in the air and under the water. But Dan, there's another one that's not talked about as much, but there is some more talk coming out about, isn't there? Yeah, solids in a word.

Obviously, we know with slide nine that those capabilities, you know, summed up a kind of complete control of space-time. But the one thing that we don't talk about, and I feel like it's because we don't, it's hard to get our heads around because it's so fundamental to us from the second that we're born that there are solids that you can't go through. but it seems like, and it certainly would explain, you know, the sightings of them going into Mount Hayes and things like that, and Manchester, you know, where there are no doors, it would explain a lot, really. Wow, I never even thought about that, man. Wow. Yeah. That reminds me of, sorry, Ryan.

No, please, go ahead. one of the reports in the late 1970s in the Welsh Triangle UFO flat the landlady of the local hotel she was looking out of her window one day

was broad daylight middle of the afternoon and she saw this craft kind of zip across St Bright's Bay which is on the west coast of Wales and it looked as if it was going to crash into this kind of outcrop in the middle of the ocean.

It's called Stax Rock, I believe. She just saw it going so fast. She was expecting this massive explosion and thought it was a plane. It wasn't. It just disappeared into the rock. And then the next thing, you know, she's got the binoculars out,

looking at the rock, looking for any wreckage on the ocean behind. And she sees these two figures just appear and start walking down this rocky outcrop as if it was a set of stairs. And then they go in the rock. into a little cove and then just simply disappear. I mean, that was one of the most fascinating things I read in the World's Triangle book. That whole kind of cluster of sightings and events that went on in Wales in the late 70s

doesn't really get the attention it deserves. Yeah, especially if it's doing transmedium and like dealing with dark matter and even like, you know, the breakdown of particles and everything. That's crazy. I'm so glad you guys brought that up. It never even crossed my mind. You know, yeah, we're all talking about space and through the air and through the ocean, but what about solid matter? That's crazy. And it would explain so much of how these things can zip in and out and disappear and stuff like that. So there we go. UAP Media, UK, coming up with a new observable. I love it. I love it. All right. Here's the next listener question.

I'm going to pull up one more share screen. I love giving context for listeners. Please bear with me, guys. I'm a love for the technology here. That puts me to shoot. Oh, man, I'm trying. I'm not. I can't stand a pro at all.

Yeah, look at that mustache man right there. That's Dave 10 years ago. That was before long time. And also, let's comment on how Travis Walton doesn't look like. he's aged today in the past like 40 years. That's a mystery of its own. But that is Travis Walton for any of our viewers or listeners who are not aware. The gentleman who the movie Fire in the Sky is based on.

We won't go through the story. Everyone should know it at this point if they don't Google it. So Strafe also wants to know from you guys. Do you think the aliens owe Travis Walton in apology for what they did to him? And I guess, kind of speaking on a higher level of that, the overall abduction ethical question of what these beings are supposedly doing to human beings and causing extreme traumatic PTSD, physical, emotional problems. What do you guys each think of the Travis Walton story? And yeah, do these aliens owe this man an apology? What do you think?

I don't think they apologize. Yeah. Oh, go ahead. No, no, no, no, you hardly have a talk on podcast, so I want you to go first. Uh-oh, we've got the first squabble of the night. I love it. I was trying to hold off there. It's just, again, it's like things we don't understand. So, like, people that go fishing don't apologize to the fish before they throw it back, do they? So they hold it up as a prize in a trophy and chuck it back in the water.

And if you're dealing with something that these beings, maybe don't necessarily care for us and maybe that's not even a concept to them, you know, feelings, emotions, if they were biological, you hear about these things being potentially third generation AI clones and I know that gets into all sorts of different realms

but it's just, we always try and understand this stuff from a human perspective when it doesn't seem that we're dealing with humans so why should we expect them to behave or do what we do or understand what we would do? you know, I mean, I'm sure it wasn't nice. And I totally, I love the story. It's really unfortunate what happened to him.

It's incredible. And I absolutely believe something like that did happen to Travis Walton. But own them an apology. It's, you know, you can't compare. It's apples and oranges. Yeah. Well, Dan, I mean, I'd love for you to speak on. I think I know where you're heading with this.

They did apologize in a way. So, yeah, please expand on that. I think Travis would be the first to admit that what he did was foolish running towards the ship. It certainly seemed like some accident happened and he was harmed. And for me, I feel like they apologized already because they could have left him there. And they didn't. They took him away and they returned him safely. And it changed his life and it's a traumatic experience.

But given the events that took place, I feel like they did help him out. Yeah. I'd have to agree. Anything, Dave, on that? Well, I'll just say that Fire in the Sky was probably one of the few films that terrified me beyond my core because I don't think I've watched it all the way through

since my first watch. But the story, you know, obviously the movie elaborated on some details and exaggerated a little more, but the actual story of him, you know, his blogging mates who he were with, they were just as terrified as he was. and they just went back straight down into town.

All the stress that they went through, you know, having to go through light detector tests and interrogation by officials, local and state. And then for Travis to turn up five days later with, you know, no memory of what had happened, you know, that time of year as well, you don't survive five days by yourself in the wilderness.

Yeah. Because if I remember it was kind of, it was late autumn time. wasn't it? From what I recall, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, he is probably one of the most genuine people in this, you know, whole field with ephology. You know, not once has he tried to make any money out of this.

He's always been humble about it. You know, you talk to him in person, and, you know, he's just very down to earth. He just wants to tell his story. I mean, it's a bit like Christopher Bledso in a way as well. I mean, this is a guy who had an experience, he was down on his luck. He'd have to sell his company.

He was depressed. He was suffering from Crohn's disease. Had this experience, you know, why he was taking some contractors out fishing, wanting to get away from it because he was, you know, so depressed. And he really just, you know, he couldn't be bothered with the fish. And then he had this experience. At four and a half hours missing time, got back, he found that his son was missing. He's son, Chris, Roy, Jr.

his son has had a similar experience but then Chris Roblesso you know the next day he's found out his Crohn's disease has been healed you know he's not in pain anymore he's got a kind of a new outlook on life and I think Travis and Chris have like the same kind of

vulnerability about them as well you know they want to tell their story but at the same time they're afraid of telling their story because of the stigma that is attached to the story you know abduction stories in general I think that's something we forget when we concentrate on the nuts and bolts or the metaphysics of everything that's been going on in the last three years, you know, since the Nimitz videos have come out. But the abduction side of the thing is, you know, it's been pushed aside somewhat.

But there are still people being abducted and having experiences, as you well know. Absolutely. I mean, I think that's kind of the thing I try to stress to people is while trained observers such as military pilots, or individuals like that, while those cases are super compelling and probably the most evidence and data-driven cases we have, for every one of those, there's 100 civilians out there having experiences, everything from a UFO sighting to claimed abductions. And yeah, these things, again, they're happening. They continue to happen. Whether you look at it from a strictly physical level of, yeah, this person was abducted by aliens.

or you're looking at it from a completely psychological level as well of maybe it's something entirely different than a ET kidnapping them. It's fascinating and it's scary and it's everything in between. So no, Dave, I'm glad you bring that up because a lot of people think, oh yeah, abductions are something from the past. Like they don't happen anymore. It was kind of a, you know, a cultural zeitgeist thing. I'm still getting reports and emails from people claiming these things. So I take everyone, I think every story has some sort of value in this overall conversation. So yeah, yeah, I think that's a good point to stress that these things are still happening. We're just not hearing about them as much because we have all this stuff out front right now with military and whatever TTSA is done and everything.

So yeah, and I'm glad, you know, something like Unidentified took the risk and covered abductions in their last episode of their show. I think it truly shows that there is a mystery here and we have to at least look at it. Yeah. You think like some of the most famous cases in euphology have been abductions. You've got Travis Walton. There's the Betty and Barney Hill case as well.

Yep. Who else? Yeah, this guy right here too. Yeah, wouldn't he? Yeah. Talk about terrifying. That book cover will never leave my memory. Well, let's see.

What else do I have here for you guys? Oh, here's a good one. So Flynn on Twitter asks, object to phenomenon, and I believe he's referring to UFO to UAP, is an interesting change in descriptive terms. He was. I should have just read, continued reading the question. The former implying a sighting of mass, whereas phenomenon implies mystery and more importantly, less threatening. What are your guys takes on going from UFO to UAP? And I guess more importantly, our next question from Zar sources. 6 on Twitter asks, do you think the others are a threat? So first your thoughts on UFO to UAP and should we continue this kind of threat? I don't even want to use the word narrative that I think TTSA has painted because I don't really think they have. It's a potential threat, but I'm going to shut up now. Andy, what do you think, brother? UFO to UAP and are we dealing with a threat to our world.

If some mysterious cloak stranger was hanging about outside your house every night, never doing any harm, just hanging about it, now and again appearing to leap over your roof and land on the other side and just doing things that you weren't too sure why they were doing them, behaving in an odd way, again, never harming you or your family, you would phone the police. You would feel unsafe, you would feel insecure. Now, imagine it's not you. imagine it's a US nuclear base or a UK nuclear base or a Russian submarine or whatever.

They feel insecure. They feel they have no power to stop whatever may happen. These objects are doing things. They can only imagine how they're doing them. So, yes, that's a threat. People keep thinking threat as in they expect these two attackers. Now, that stranger outside my house isn't going to attack me. I don't know that, but I just have to go with my worst.

case scenario that what if they do, what would I do? And you start forming in your head a plan of how you would defend and how you would deal with that because that's just human nature. So the word threat, like you say, it's been taken wild out of context. And yes, to be bluntly, these things are a threat. Yeah. Cool. Dan, what do you think? So I thought I'd frame the question in an interesting way earlier today. And online, I asked people who were watching Wonder Vision if they thought Wanda was a potential threat. And I get some really interesting responses because a lot of it, a lot of people were making their choice on yes or no based on Wanda's motivation. And of course, her motivation is a mystery. And especially with the phenomenon, the motivation is a mystery.

So until we know why they're here and what the interactions mean and what they can be doing to us and so on and so forth, we've got to handle it. with cage gloves, you know? We can't be picking up microwaves and taking them apart because there might be something in there that kills us, you know? But it doesn't make it a weapon, yet we would react to that in that situation as if it was when it was something a lot more, you know, mundane, like something that cooks food.

There's a huge potential of technology and paradigm shift change for the human species in this subject. but we've got to go careful for that very reason. So I think it is a potential threat, but that doesn't mean that we have to be on the offensive towards it. We can just be considerate. Right. And I'll only expand on that a little by saying what Leslie Kane, I think,

wrote so beautifully in her book UFOs when dealing with something like the Tehran UFO incident or even Fravor, you know, chasing these things. as it's not so much even this UAP or UFO that is the threat, but it's how we as human beings react and respond to them, which is kind of what you're saying of like, we could start, you know,

if this thing's over a nuclear facility and we're sending things up there to try to, you know, fire on it or something, we could start a nuclear war on our actions alone, having nothing to do with this UFO. So I think you're right. I think the potential threat actually comes from our inability to know what we're doing.

dealing with. The other end of that is a threat of the stigma behind reporting a UFO. You know, if we don't report it, it's still going to be a threat. And if our pilots aren't reporting these things, then anything could happen. So I think the threat really does lay somewhere within our reactions to it. I don't know. Am I crazy, Dave? What do you think? No, because I'm going to quote a phrase from Cool Runnings. Believe me or not, the bobsled film. A new cool running's was going to come up in this conversation. I didn't know how, but please.

Oh, yeah, you know, got a shoe on it. There's a line in that that said, people are always afraid of what's different. And that can be applied to anything. I mean, because we don't understand it, as Dan and Andrew said, we are naturally going to be wary of it. You know, our military is going to be wary of it because they don't understand it.

They don't know what it's capable of. they don't know how to defend say a carrier group or a nuclear installation or a base or a city or a town or anything like that we have no idea what these things are capable of

but that doesn't mean that they are an immediate threat they're a potential threat sure I mean we're not talking independence day here you know this is a rival more or less you know we have things flying around our skies,

going into our oceans, and then going back into space, we don't know what they are. They've never made that clear to us, and they may never make it clear to us what they are. They may just be going about their business, and we just happen to be in the way. But I think the first part of your question,

you know, to switch from UFO to UAP, you know, an identified flying object suggests something tangible, it's something solid, It's matter that we can associate with. It's, you know, a craft or a vehicle of some sort that our mind is telling us is a 3D object that we can interact with. You know, we can open a door. We can go inside. We can pilot it if we want to or if we knew how to.

Switching to an identifiable area from Anonymous, it's more saying that we don't know what it is. It's probably not what we used to. to think it was. And at the same time, it's kind of tricking us. Well, not tricking us, but it's given us something different to think about, whereas before it was just associating itself with our knowledge of pop culture at the time. You know, all the pulp novels, all the science fiction B movies, Plan 9, Frighton Space, for example, the day the Earth stood still.

You know, we had an idea of what flying sources should look like from pop culture, and that kind of developed over time. where we don't know what we're dealing with anymore. And so it's just giving us something else to try and think about and to talk about as we are doing. Absolutely. Having these conversations where we can stretch out and get weird with it. And I think that's why I really enjoy UAP

because it broadens what this all could be so much. And I think, you know, I always go back to, and everyone knows this by now. They're probably sick of hearing it. you know, the U.S. Air Force coining the term UFO to kind of downplay the high strangeness aspect to a lot of these reports that were coming to them. You know, it's just an object. We'll figure out what it was. Don't worry about it. We got this. But now moving to phenomena, that could mean anything. And that's why I think it was so cool to hear someone like Lou say,

talk about the mankind and mankind's on your interview, Andy, is, you know, expanding the questions. I think we haven't figured out what the fuck these things are in the last 75 years. So let's ask new questions. Instead of keep trying to find that flying saucer, it's clearly something far more mysterious than just that. So that's my little soapbox moment. I don't know if you guys want to expand on that at all. I would just say that we can't all be right,

but we could definitely all be wrong as to what they are. That's such a good way to put it in. All right. Well, these, I'm going to merge these two questions together to kind of bring us back to UAP Media UK. Border 750 on Twitter asks, where should the focus in 2021 be aimed towards when it comes to this topic in your opinions? And is there one particular area that everyone should get behind or multiple avenues that are going to be just as effective? So I don't know if that plays into UAP Media UK at all. But yeah, where do you guys think our focus should be in 2021? We seem to be making a lot of strides as the years go on.

So anyone who wants to pick up on that one. I think as Dan said earlier, you know, we have to get in touch with, you know, your representatives, your local members of parliament, people who can push this conversation forward for us because, you know, the higher-ups aren't going to listen to, you know, the people on the street. I mean, whenever they ever, let's be fair. So we need to get into those channels and get the conversation going up the ladder, I think.

And, you know, one of the offshoot of UAP media is going to be, we're going to take the hashtag end UAP secrecy and develop that a bit more. So that's going to be kind of more like the call-to-action side of it, whereas European media is going to be the informative side of things. Awesome. Well, I mean, you actually touched on something I did want to bring up to, Dave, as Andrea, over at the Unidentified. I was talking to him earlier in conjunction with Adam as well of, and UAP secrecy.

I think this is a wonderful, wonderful idea. They've been working on this for a long time. And they put together this awesome Google Drive, where anyone can go and cherry pick certain videos that have been in the media about UFOs being taken seriously or articles or even here in the U.S. we now have a template of how to reach out to your representatives. So all you have to do is go put your name in, the date, sign it. The rest is done for you.

So, I mean, that's amazing. And I know that we're going to have something very similar to send to parliament as well in the UK. So I did want to stress the work being done by Andreas and Adam in terms of NUAP secrecy is amazing. But what about this other thing? I want to get your guys' thoughts on this. The big phone home, this big time

where we're going to try to just inundate these representatives with phone calls and emails. Is this something that you guys personally want to be a part of when it comes to UAP Media UK? Yeah, absolutely. I've already been in touch with Lou, Twitter handle Lou Angeleys. He's going to have to forgive me.

I can't remember his surname. But he was pointed to by Alejandro for me. So I sent him a message and we hope we'll be able to communicate. He had Lou on his show and they spoke about maybe coordinating on writing a form letter that Lou and maybe Chris Mallon had helped kind of form, which would be bloody fantastic. Quite frankly, just because we know that, you know, They're the ninjas of doing that, are they?

Chris Malen wrote the language that's in the, that got into the bill that led to us getting this report. So, yeah, I think it's a great idea. And we've all seen over the past few weeks how just GameStop stock going up in price has been all over the media. So if we can just get enough people involved in this, then I think we'll really make a statement and make people realize. Not just politicians, but also people watching, hold on, something's going on here. I'm going to go learn about it. And that's where someone like UAP Media comes in, I'd say. Yeah, because we do have a download link for, you know, UK-based people to download the template letter to contact their member of parliament.

I mean, that's something that Adam, you know, drew up. So we've got that on the front page and, you know, there's a contact form as well. it's been taken up by a friend of ours in Ireland who's contacted the Irish Minister of Finance, which has been passed on to, I think it was the Irish kind of climate minister, which is good. And we also, there was a guy in France as well

who got in touch with us and asked us if he could take that template letter, translate it into French, so it's tailored towards the French government as well. So already it's starting to pick up this momentum, which is hopefully going to start spreading about. And with the big phone home and your apoclese, you know, this is just the right time to take, you know, take the ball and go to the end zone. Yeah. I love it. Players say.

Yeah. Yeah. That's so exciting to hear that other people in other countries or nations are like, yeah, can we just translate this? Because we all know, like, if it's already there and you just got to feel. fill your name out, done. That's going to make all the difference, I think, for people as well. It's like, oh, I have to, like, handwrite my own letter and send it to my rep. Yeah, you can. Like, that's an awesome thing to do. But if you don't want to do that, we've got this for you right here. And like you said, once that starts spreading, the possibilities are endless.

So, yeah, that's good to hear. So do you guys think that's where our focus should be in 2021 to continue these efforts for advocacy, for a call to action as civilians. Yeah, is that what we should be focusing on, I guess, moving forward? I'd just to give a little shout out. Dan, you mentioned Lou. It's Lou Humanez from, or Jimenez from the Unidentified Celebrity Review, and he's just had his interview with Lou Elizondo as well, so Lou and Lou. Dave and Dan and Adam, they do the hard work in UAP media. I spend six months to write one paragraph. So listen, I'll always give those guys a shout out

who's doing all the hard work. They are literally the brains and the work behind it. I just come along now and again and do a podcast. So the guys deserve the props and the writing and the work they're doing to get contact lists together are all absolutely phenomenal. So that's just my thank you to those guys that do all of that. Yeah, what they have said about contacting representatives,

either side of the ocean is fantastic. for me though as well as all of that I I tend to think in the next steps for me the task force report is the next thing that's that's going to give us a platform to potentially launch off of for either side of you know or worldwide to be honest depending on what is in or not in that report let us go forward as an extension as a report that then announces a further report as a report that potentially comes out and it's a little bit of a you know uh what is a condone report that basically just kills it dead again and tries to put it back in the box, which I doubt, but that could happen. So for me, it's let's wait and see what happens with that. The big phone home is fantastic. And for efforts like that, what we're not going to get,

because let's be honest, if the New York Times coming out and announcing the US government had a UFO program and has a UFO program doesn't get the general media on side, the big phone home won't do that. What it will do, though, is allow us to pick up more. people to get involved in the topic. If 50 more people get involved, that's 50 more people buying books, downloading Dave's magazine, buying Outer Limits Magazine, downloading podcasts, checking out unidentified celebrity review, tuning into your shows, Ryan, you know, watching mysteries decoded. It just gets more people involved that weren't in the topic and the subject now that don't have those biases that some of the, and we talked about, and I love guys like

Philip Mantle and whatnot, but there are, There is a point, and we've talked about this on, I think, the roundtables with Dave and Dan before, that uphology forked off. And I said fork, sorry, in a Scottish accent, just before anyone worries. There was a change, and I think uphology changed, that it's no longer the same. We're not talking about Roswell, and we're not always talking about Betty and Barney Hill, Calvin Parker, Travis Walton. These things all absolutely have their place. But in 2017, things changed in December 2017. And we have new modern cases.

we have a new way to go, that personally, this is just my belief. In three years, we have had more progress in this topic than we managed in the previous 75. I think what we're doing now is the way forward. People don't like that because at the moment the government's involved. We have former Undersecretary of Defense, Chris Mellon involved. You've got Steve Justice, Lou Elizondo, and all these other people that they don't want to be involved in their topic and their subject. But this is the worldwide phenomenon, as the saying goes. So we need everyone to be involved in it. And a lot of people have to let go of their own little bubble to kind of push things forward.

So if we can get little pockets of people more and more involved, if just one person takes up UAP Media's website and downloads that form and sends it off to someone, that's a success. If that was all it ever achieved, that would be a success. Absolutely, man. And, you know, I'll just add to that. It seems that there's the old guard of EFOL. these people who I respect immensely and have put so much time and effort throughout the decades of, you know, recording reports and getting everything going. And then, you know, then the next guard comes and builds off of their work and so on and so on. And I think what we've seen in the past few years is once that New York Times article hit and UFO Twitter really started, you started seeing people you've never seen.

before getting involved in this topic and having their own thoughts and opinions. And I think a lot of the people who've been doing this for years, they felt a little guarded. Like, who are you? Where are you coming out all of a sudden with all this and this and that? And I think there was kind of attention there. And you would have these people who were on the older side of this field of study being like, I'm not going to trust this guy from intelligence or this guy from so-and-so because they burned us so much in the past. And I completely understand that. What I think has changed is I don't see

that. I don't see that with Chris Mellon. I don't see that with Lou Elizondo, that they're out to disinformed the public, kind of like a Rick Doty or something would do. I honestly think these are individuals who see an opportunity, you know, that they have some knowledge of what is going on and that that should be shared with the public. So let's embrace that. And let's get younger people involved instead of telling them they're idiots because they don't know what Roswell was

or what Rendellsham was. Let's embrace that. I mean, I'm talking to a high schooler this week who reached out to me and said, I'm doing a paper about UFOs in school, and I would love to interview you. And again, those are moments that, like, literally make me emotional,

if I'm not already being a person in theater, That almost brought a tear to my eye that like someone in high school is going to be writing a paper about UFOs because of what you've done and you've done and you've done. And so many people have been doing for these past few years of getting this topic out there. And it's reaching people in other nations in high school. And that's incredible because it's not something that we're used to seeing in this field, a field of, you know, people 50 and above, you know, for so long. So I think it's exciting, everything that's going on. And you have tech-savvy people who can make that advocacy something truly powerful on the internet as well. So again, I've talked too much.

Anyone else have anything to add to what should we do in 2021 when it comes to UAP? Yeah, I was just going to say, you know, the reason that we launched the website when we did with very little content on there at the moment is because we had an interview with Lou Elizondo. We wanted to get that out and promote that on UFO Twitter because we knew that, you know, UFO Twitter is the right audience for that interview. And I think, you know, Adam conducted it. He got in touch with Lou and it's kind of got people aware of us. But over the next, you know, a few weeks and few months, there's going to be a lot more content going up. It's going to be a lot more articles. What we haven't done yet is done a big hit on the UK press, people. Because, you know, we want to get more content up there.

You know, we're putting the videos which are going to be on the NGAP, CIG, G drive. We're going to put some of those up so people, you know, can just watch them, and they can watch them in context. There's going to be, you know, Adam's writing an article at the moment on the Five Pillars, which Lou mentioned in Andy's interview earlier this week. And that's kind of going to form part of our strategy going forward as well. there's going to be

you know articles we're going to do like timelines so that the main events from uphology over the years so people can just go you know the people who haven't encountered euphology before it's somewhere where they can see oh this happened in you know 1947 this happened in you know 1952 you know those kind of things and if the press want to get in touch with us

and they want an article from people who know about this stuff rather than scrabbling around and trying to do it themselves and coming across as unknowledgeable or incorrect, you know, delivering incorrect information as they did. We're reporting on Blackfault's CIA files story the other week, which I know John Greenwald addressed himself. You know, we want to be the place where, you know, the UK press or, you know, even academic institutions or public organizations come to. to get the information that they wanted to disseminate to other people themselves.

You know, if they want us to write articles, we'll write articles for them. You know, it's not going to be a problem. You know, but we're not there to preach. We're there to offer assistance. So I think it's going to be that going forward. Exactly. And they need it, man. And it's the same here in the United States.

Like you see one wrong thing misquoted. Like CIA releases all their UFO files. And that's what they pick up and regurgitate. And it's wrong. It's wrong. because it's not accurate. And then you have someone like Greenwald who put in decades of work on this

being like, actually like, I had kind of a big role in all that. And I spent, you know, countless hours putting all these things online. So yeah, I think it's great because I think we live in a world now where the mainstream media just recycles everything and steals from everyone else.

And it's unfortunate. And I think, you know, they just want to, story out as quick as possible. So if they have an outlet like what you guys are doing, they can go to it and be like, all right, cool, we got it. Let's put it here. I think that's awesome. And getting the right information out there too is important. So I think that's really cool. You guys are putting together like a timeline because, I mean, there's going to be people who listen or watch this episode and they're going to hear names they've never heard before,

dates that they don't care about. And it's a lot. It's a lot for people. people to handle who aren't embedded into this topic like the five of us are. So if it's accessible, I think that's what's most important. So yeah, I can't wait to see everything you guys got going on there. But last question of the night, and I want your honest opinions on this, Wanda Vision. We got to talk about it. What do you guys think about Wanda Vision? Dan, I see you.

You seem like you're chomping at the bit, man. I'm a ginomous Marvel nerd, so I could waste another two hours theorizing. But it's an amazing show, it's refreshing. It's something different. I think having a year not doing anything at all has done wonders for Marvel. And I'm super, super, super excited to see where it's going to go. Cool. Anyone else want to chime in?

well yeah i mean me and dan were talking about it on friday i think after you watch the episode um we have considered doing like that marvel podcast there's a spin off from that UFO podcast oh nice i see that grin on andy's face he's like he's gonna go copyright it right now yes but yeah like dan said it is refreshing you know to see them try something different that you know ultimately is going to end up pushing it in a brand new direction, which is kind of going to get in a new audience as well. Yep. Same with euphology. Yeah, all these stories are just going to come together, and they're going to come to a head in, what is it, Spider-Man 3 and Doctor Strange 2,

and then we're going to get the start of phase six and a half or whatever it is now. Who knows? Yeah. Anything there, Eddie? No, I don't watch it. No, I do. I do. Yeah, I

love it. It got panned in the run up to it. A bit like when I went on Reddit to see people talk about my interview with Lou before it had been uploaded. So, yeah, it was... Don't do that. Don't go to it. It was my first little fory into it and I thought

it was hilarious. I was texting Dan and Dave about it. No, I got panned in the run up, so I was really wary and I think it only took five minutes of the first episode and I was intrigued, but then in the last scene of the first episode I was hooked. I'm up to date with it now. I am not, like

Dan and Dave, I think, know a lot more of the background than I maybe would. I watch, I've seen all the Marvel movies, I've started watching this, I don't know about the history and the comics and potential arcs they might be borrowing from, so I like when Dan put something up on Twitter about it, and then

he's obviously got more of a knowledge where they can shape people's answers and responses about, and that really I like that. It's an amazing piece of television, very, very original as well. Yeah, yeah. I think we need it right now for sure.

Something to make us think. And I think they're doing that. Well, I guess kind of wrapping things up, guys. You know, we talked about UAP Media UK at length. So everyone please go check out the website. But I want to know what you guys are up to individually. So this is your time to shine. Dave, let's start with you, my man.

Tell us what you got going on over at Shadow Magazine. And everything else you're up to, brother. Okay, well, the next issue I am currently working on. I have two more interviews to do in the next week. One's with Ryan Bledsoe, and the other is with Steve McDaniel and Richard Hoff of Sky Hub. There's going to be a big Sky Hub feature, which will include Jerry McGowan and Chris Colsworth as well,

who, you know, Chris Coltsworth kind of, he's more the software side of Sky Hub. So it was really good to talk to him. there's an interview with Chris Bledso and Nick Cook as I've already mentioned I mean moving forward I'm currently working on getting a guest editor for a future issue

which is going to be very exciting and that is being kept under wraps until I've actually confirmed it but yeah that's going to be great if that comes off that's going to be absolutely fantastic for the whole UFO community I think and yeah I'm trying to arrange well I'm in the process of arranging a big interview

with the guys behind the untitled, well the untitled UAP project so Jeremy McGowan Justin Tandy Jake Mann and Sean Cahill as well I'm going to try and get them all together and like you know just talk about the project

before it actually hits half screens so yeah there's a few good things in the offer definitely awesome brother And what's the website again, if you don't mind sharing? Shadowsmagizine.com.com. UK, all issues can be downloaded for free in PDF formats. Perfect.

Just trot on over there after this if you want. Thanks, my man. Dan, let's move to you, my man. You've got a store. Tell us all about it. And yeah, give us the rundown on that. Yeah, so I have a store where I put up bits of, I guess, UFO-inspired. on. It was something I started as a bit of a lockdown project because I've always loved doing it.

I've just never shared it. So I thought, maybe I should. And it went pretty well because everyone's really lovely. Yeah. It also, you know, it's really to help the cause to, you know, if someone's out there wearing a T-shirt with these things on or they've got them on their cars. Maybe they'll start a conversation and that's what this is about. Currently, I'm working on turning the art I did for Jeremy McGowan and the entire UAP guys into a patch like the one you see there on your screens on the left. So I'm, yeah, today literally I was looking at final designs for it. So they should be with me and I should be sharing those with people in the next few weeks.

And yeah, you'll be able to get your own then. Awesome, my man. And Andy, let's finish with you, my man. What do you got going on at that UFO podcast? If I can steal 10 seconds though just to say genuinely Dan please check out his store because some of his artwork, all of it's incredible. And that poster I've got in the background is something I've bought myself from Dan's store. It puts in so much effort and it comes from a genuinely good place as well. And I don't think anyone in the subject of Uphology puts in the work that Dave does on his own to that magazine.

It's ridiculous. You genuinely wouldn't believe he does that himself and have a family and what. and everything. So that that deserves to be downloaded and read people. So yeah, my podcast is on there. So these guys help me out. Dan helps me out massively with the technical side of it, which I bug him on a regular basis to learn more and more so I can take some of the street from interviews I've got coming up. Danny Silva, I've just recorded with today. That's available on the Patreon, early accessed at patreon.com forward slash that UFO podcast. And then a couple of weeks. I've got Ryan Bledso, David Marla, Mark O'Connell. I think it's just been on your

podcast as well, Ryan, Mark O'Connell. And in the coming months, I'm just waiting to confirm, but I should have Brandon Fugel and George Knapp, both coming on in the near future as well. So very much looking forward to speaking with them. Awesome. Yeah, you got some good ones coming up, brother. And I know a lot of people, they watch your show and my show, and they're like, They're like, it's like a race to see who gets the guest first. But I want to tell people it's, that's not how it goes. Like we, we have the same press people we deal with. You know, whatever's kind of in the Zika is for both kind of always, you know,

looking for what comes next. So if anything, I love that we have kind of that friendly, competitive nature, you know, of like, okay, he's going to interview him about this. I'll interview him about that or he or she. So I think that's what's really cool about. what you're doing as well. I think there's a lot to be said for UFO podcasting and those out there who are doing it. And we all kind of just do our own thing and share information. I know when I was interviewing Lou, I wanted to know what you were going to talk about. So I wouldn't, you know,

we wouldn't do that sort of thing. So yeah, I think that's what's really cool is instead of, you know, working against each other, we're all working together for sure. You've been great with me as well, Ryan, from very early on you've you've helped me out with a lot of advice and stuff and you were really good when that my podcast is a baby in terms of UFO podcast still it's less than a year old but you you messaged me twice in a couple of weeks early on when I had guests that you had coming up that I didn't know you hadn't even announced them to say I'm honestly not copying you but I have this guest booked in as well and then since then the same thing's happened with me where like Marco Connell I arranged and then a week later I saw you had them on so it is just but we've got

different styles and I love listening to yours. It helps me, it genuinely helps me shape my questions and I ask Dan to help me with the wording sometimes and I use Dave's work for research. So it's, the community can really help each other and everyone should borrow and, you know, ask everyone

for advice but make your own decisions and make up your own mind. So yeah, it definitely works for me. Yeah, it's why I don't do a podcast because I can't keep up with everyone. I know. There's too much. There's too much. But no, man. I think you touched on it. Like, This community is big and it's small.

And I think if we just build each other up and work together, that's when we're truly going to accomplish things. And that's no more prevalent than what you guys are putting together with UAP Media, UK, and your individual projects as well. So I have to thank you guys for taking the time to do this tonight, for allowing us a glimpse into your personal thoughts and beliefs on all this. And I have no doubt that with you guys doing what you're, you're doing and so many other awesome people out there in UFO Twitter and and not on Twitter,

you know, everyone has a part in it. And thank you. Thank you for allowing us a glimpse into all of your lives tonight. And thank you for coming on Somewhere in the Skies, all three of you for the very first time. So thank you. Thank you. Everybody to us. Somewhere in the Skies is produced by Third Kind Productions in association with the Entertainment One podcast network.