Somewhere in the Skies - UFO HAPPY HOUR: Volume Five

Episode Date: September 9, 2019

On episode 125 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, Rob Kristoffersen pulls up a barstool once again for another volume of UFO Happy Hour. This uncensored series finds Rob and Ryan drunkenly discussing the Storm Area 51 craze, harmful and helpful aliens, rejected abductees, and the return of the Alien Autopsy Film? Yup. It's all here, and it's happy hour, so drink up!  Guest Bio: Rob Kristoffersen is the host of the Our Strange Skies podcast, and has been an amateur UFO researcher/paranormal investigator for nearly 10 years. He has been a lifelong resident of the Adirondacks and has had an interest in the paranormal from a very early age. When he's not investigating incidents of high strangeness, he can be found indulging in his love for professional wrestling, music, and good writing. Follow him on Twitter @YerUFOguy Visit the Our Strange Skies podcast at: www.OurStrangeSkies.com Featured Episode Image by: Eugen Semitjov Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Come see Ryan speak at Michigan UFO Con(tact) - To learn more and to purchase tickets, CLICK HERE Shop SAUCER BRAND now and use the promo code: SKIES for an exclusive discount: www.TheSaucerBrand.com Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan's Book by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is sponsored by HelloFresh. To receive 50% off your first order, use promo code: SOMEWHERE50 at checkout by visiting www.HelloFresh.ca Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tuesday, September 10th. So you think that there's alien technology at Area 51? We're finally finding out what's going on. We reverse-engineered alien spacecraft. There's no way I'm going to storm that game. Mysteries decode and all-new Tuesday, September 10 on the CW. Today on the show, Rob Christofferson. That's right. It's another volume of UFO Happy Hour.

He moves forward a little bit and he can finally see this light coming down from the ceiling. So stands under this light and the loud booming voice says, what is your age? And Alfred Berto says, oh, I'll be turning 78 on my next birthday. And the alien beings tell him, you can go. You are too old and infirm for our purpose. Oh, my God. This is somewhere in the skies with Brian Sprague. Welcome to another edition of UFO Happy Hour.

and as usual, I have with me, Rob Christofferson, the host of The Our Strange Skies podcast. Rob, how you doing, brother? I am good. I am happy to be back. I don't know why these people keep wanting me back, but apparently they love it, and you got to give the people what they love. So I want a Twitter poll, so suck it, whatever else lost. The people have spoken.

They like UFO Happy Hour the best. Me too, man. You do all the work for these episodes, so let's just be upfront with that. And I get to tip back a brew with you, which is always a really good time. So I got to ask you, what are you drinking? Well, I teased it on the internet, and let's, yeah, let's crack that one. I bought some cans of Labat Blue a while back, and they've been waiting for another episode of UFO Happy Hour. So finally got to dust those bad boys off.

I'm three beers in at this point. Oh, God, this is going to be fun. Yeah, it should be. Oh, God, you're a man after my heart, Rob La Bat Blue, one of my favorites. I'm drooling over here. I can't find it in New York, man. We're not that far away. How?

Like, how does New York City not have this? I've seen it at, like, two bars, and it's in the, like, way, way back in a dark corner. Shit's probably not even refrigerated half the time. And it's hard, man. you can't find Molson here to save your life, let alone with that blue. No. Molson's practically a no-go. It rarely makes it over the border.

If you're a little closer to Canada up in, you know, like, I could probably go visit my sister in Ogdensburg, and I could probably get some. But, yeah, it's really tough. It is. We're going to have to get some of our friends, MJ Benayas and a few others to smuggle that shit over here next time. Yeah, come on, MJ. Hook us up, man. I know. Mr. Celebrity now, Mr. Mysteries Decoded, Mothman.

Yeah. I didn't know he was a Mothman researcher, did you? No, I did not. And you know what? The world needs more Mothman researcher, so I'm down with it. Absolutely. No, I was so impressed with the work he did on that show. I thought it was excellent.

And we need more people to look at that stuff, you know, get more John Keel in the world. I know Hellier's going to be coming out with a second season now. We're going to be looking deeper into all. that weird shit. So are you pumped for that? Oh, hell yeah. That trailer they dropped. I was just like, wow. Yeah, you could, like, Greg Newkirk has seen some shit. That's the best way to put it about that trailer. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, the fact that the emails now continue, I just, I'm stunned. Yeah, yeah, I am too. And I can only imagine where this season's going. They announced on Twitter that

they were filming the final portions of it this weekend. So I can't wait. Yeah, I remember, you know, Carl Fyfer, the director and filmmaker was in here in New York not too long ago. And we had dinner. And I asked him, I'm like, so when can we expect more? And he just said flat out, he's like, when the phenomenon shows itself again. Like, you son of a bitch, that is such a perfect answer. That's so, that's so Carl, too.

It is. It's so true though, man. You can't force these things. And they're on their own journey and path to find, maybe find answers. They might never find answers to all this weird stuff. But the fact that they're documenting it and doing it independently and on their own, I love it. I love it. I'm a huge fan.

I can't wait for that. You know, answers I don't think are something that is built into this phenomenon to like any of this phenomenon for the most part. It's just something you experience, something that reminds. you that your world is not as familiar as you may think it is and that there are other nuances to it that, you know, will keep you scratching your head for a lifetime. I know people that have had one or two strange experiences and it like totally changes their worldview. So if that's what this phenomenon is doing, well, it's doing a pretty good job of it. I think so, man, this whole trickster element, too. I don't care.

I've told people so many damn times I don't care if I ever know what UFOs are or aren't Like the journey alone and the little nudges These phenomena give you and be like Ha ha you thought you knew this Fuck you know That's right I love that stuff Just when you think you know something

You know something creeps around the corner And taps you on the shoulder and says hey I'm over here come look at me So I love it I love it It's sobering to think we may never know what's out there But I know a lot of the stories we're going to talk about tonight. A lot of these people probably will never know what actually happened to them. So I am stoked to do this with you. We've got some really good stuff lined up.

We do. Before we do that, though, I got to tell you what I am drinking. Here we go. All right. This is the Thousand Stars Pilsner from Alwife Brewing Company in the Bronx. I went all the way up to the Bronx to get this one. So this is going to be a good... That's bold, man. I know. Bold. Little white boy going up into the Bronx. Gotta love it. It could be a tough neighborhood.

It can, man, especially if you're wearing a New York Mets hat in Yankee territory. Yeah. I've seen what happens. You know, my old man was born in Brooklyn. He grew up on Long Island. And every now and then we'd go back down to Brooklyn, visit the family. And yeah, I learned pretty quick you don't wear a Mets hat down here. Nope.

And vice versa. I live in Queens. I live about maybe 25 minutes from City Field. And it's the same here, man. You got a Yankees hat on anywhere in a five-mile radius, and that hat's going down the gutter, I can tell you that much. Oh, yeah. It's always fun when they have the subway series here, too.

My dad comes to town, and, you know, we'll be on our way to the Yankees game, and I'll bust out all my Mets stuff. And he'll be like, you can't be seen with that. What are you doing? That's what happens when you grow up in a Yankees. Yankees family and then turn to the one of the worst teams in history. The Mets, not so much this season, but, um... No, no, this season, you know, they're doing pretty good.

Um, the, this is the, uh, the home run derby season because it's just everybody's slamming them, so. I know, man, it brings me back to like the McGuire days and Sammy Sosa. I'm like, all right, what, who's, who's taking steroids? Let's, let's look at this again. We got to do another investigation. Like, our entire team, our entire team's just, juicing right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. It's like the late 90s all over again.

It is. Well, I'm sure we could do a whole episode on baseball, too, but that's not what our audience is here for. So I guess we should talk a little bit UFOs. How does that sound? That sounds good, man. Awesome. Well, we're going to start with the most popular thing going on in UFO conversations right now. No, I'm not talking about Tom DeLong. I am talking about hashtag Storm Area 51. Let's get the shit out of the way early. What do you think of all this, Rob? What do you think is going to happen, not happen?

What are your suggestions to anyone out there who's planning on going to this storm area 51 on September 20th? I honestly think this is the dumbest thing that I've ever heard. And like, this went from being a joke very quickly to something serious. and then it became like a First Amendment's right thing. And now it's, let's just try to pop off with the festival or something or two or three. Three, I think we're up to three now. Yeah. It's very unorganized.

My advice would be to let's just avoid this this year. And next year, why don't we take a year to plan this out better? So, you know, you can find a good location where people, you know, want to host it and not Rachel Nevada. How many people live in Rachel Nevada? Dude, it's not even like a town. They call it a township because there's so few people. I don't know. I couldn't tell you, but I could tell you every single one of those people don't want you coming there.

No. No, and I'm pretty sure most of the people in the outlying areas don't want it either, just because most of them are very strong. small towns. So it's not, it's not, it's not, you know, very good place to host something like that. Yeah, I would agree. I mean, they're expecting thousands of people to show up. And that's just, you know, that's just a guess. Like, honestly, nobody knows how many people are going to show up to any of these three events. I think it's alien stock, uh, peace stock or some bullshit. And then we've got, um, Storm Area 51 Base Camp, which, uh, Jeremy Corbell is. working on. And of course, anyone who knows our show or knows Area 51, Jeremy Corbell is now

forever intrinsically linked to that, whether you like it or not. A lot of people don't. But I got to hand the guy some props. I talked to him a couple weeks ago, and he is trying to make this thing as safe, as educational, and as worth people's time going out there. But I do agree with you. If you're going to do something like this, if you're, if you're coordinating any sort of thing that's expecting this many people, take a year to figure the shit out. You know, it happened. It blew up.

And of course, you know, people are going to take advantage of that and get something going. But this could potentially be really dangerous. Just think, you know, out of maybe a thousand people show up, and that's being generous. One percent of those people are going to actually be in a not good state of mind. and they're actually going to try to storm those gates. I guarantee it. I guarantee it.

There's going to be some asshole who wants that YouTube video or that Instagram photo of them on the other side of the gate or, you know, Naruto running towards whatever the hell they expect to see. Dude, there's no building within like 10 miles of the actual gate. So good luck with that. There's going to be no photos or videos because they will be confiscated. They will be taken down if you put them up. It's just because it, I mean, it's a... a classified military base. There's no way that you're going to be able to keep that for one. And you may be lucky if you get to keep your life because we already had one guy tried to storm area, what,

3, 31, something like that, and he paid for it with his life. So, yeah, dude, we brought that up, I think on our last UFO happy hour. It happened like the day before or something. Yep. Yeah, that's scary. I mean, that's the shit that happens. You get shot dead. Now, I mean, I know. I I know that the security at the base is, they're well equipped for this sort of thing. I don't care if you have a thousand, two thousand, four thousand people storming that gate. They will stop you. They have every right to and they have every resource to do that. This is a black budget, high classified military installation.

They have more money than any military base you can possibly think of. So you know they're going to be doing everything. I was talking to someone recently who said they've got like this technology. that can make you sick to your stomach, like immediately when you get to a certain area, they can shut down your phones with, like, the click of a button. We're not talking, like, shooting people in the head left and right, like a total firefight going on.

We're talking some of the most high-tech ways of securing the base, which needs to be secured. This is a defense base. They are doing these things there for a reason, whether you think there's aliens there or not. Like, this is some serious. serious shit. And I think a lot of people don't really realize that. Right. And if you really honestly want to know what's that area 51, there's a couple of sources we can send you to.

One, go read Annie Jacobson's book about it. It's pretty well in depth and it pretty much lays it out. Secondly, the History Channel actually produced a documentary about Lockheed Barton and their Skug Works program. And that's basically what was out there. They developed you too. They developed the F-117, they developed the SR-71, all out there. That's what that base was designed for. I mean, the... Which is fascinating enough. I mean, yeah, I mean, they literally put it in a place that is adjacent to atomic testing. I mean, I wouldn't want to go out there.

No, man, that's another thing. I think people don't realize is there have been so much, so many bombs blown out there that I wouldn't even want to get close to that area. And I did. People are going to see it tomorrow night, actually. See me at the gates of Area 51 once this episode airs. And I can tell you right now, I'm a little scared. I might grow an extra arm.

I don't know, man. Everybody, we're going to need you to keep an eye on Ryan. Just like make sure that he's okay. Make sure that, you know, he's not turning any weird colors or, you know, he's not like, you know, hulking out here, like Bruce Banner. I wish, man. Yeah. Yeah, those days are over. Muscular Ryan is gone, replaced by a nice doughy doughboy over here, which that's what

unemployment gets you. It does. It does. I was unemployed once for two years. It was not fun. Yeah, yeah. For anyone listening, I did lose my job temporarily. I'm going back to work soon, but that's why I have the time to do these.

fun episodes of the Rob. So God bless the economy for failing me. That's all I'd say. Thanks, economy. Thanks, Obama. Anyways, yeesh, moving on. So I got to ask you before we move on, Rob, with this whole Storm Area 51 stuff, do you think this is going to help or harm the UFO field, if there is a UFO field or the UFO community? Does this help us or hinder us? I don't think it does either I think it's just this is something that's kind of slipped through the cracks. It's really a joke.

And I don't see really any sides of the UFO community with the exception of Jeremy Corbell himself really contributing to this. Like, if you talk to most euphologists, they'll tell you that this is absolutely dumb. And, you know, they're not really giving it the time of day. Most of the people that are interested in this or just your average Joe's. It feels like people are haunted by the fact that Woodstock did not take place this year,

so we can do something else. We need some other stock to happen, and this seems to be the only way to do it. But that's a good point. You know, I think the UFO community, quote unquote, they're actually smart enough to not go to this thing because they know what could happen if you go there. And they also know that there's nothing out there. I mean, leaving Las Vegas, it's like an hour and a half drive just to get to that gate. And I got lost, man. I got lost an hour and a half into the drive.

I had to turn around, go all the way back to the little alien and get directions. And I almost ran out of gas on the way there. So I could be still out there deserted, dead in the middle of the desert if I didn't have other people out there to make sure that didn't happen. But everyone going out there, I don't think they're prepared for this, man. It's a long-ass trek just to get out there. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Whatever's going to happen on September 20th. I'm interested to see how this all plays out. I have a feeling it's going to be a dud to be completely honest. And again, Jeremy Corbell is a friend, but I just think this is way over the heads of everyone involved, including Maddie Roberts, the kid who started all this thing, you know? And God bless him. He's trying. He's trying to spin this into some positive fun thing.

but I think just like it was a surprise to him that this thing went viral, it's going to be a surprise at how hard it is to pull something off with these expectations of thousands of people coming to Rachel Nevada, especially when the people do not want them there. It is. It's Woodstock all over again. You know what I think people should do? I think people should protest this by reading about the Betty and Barty Hill abduction because it's the same time.

It's the anniversary. Read about it, folks. Absolutely. That is such a good point. I think they just had the Exeter UFO Festival as well. They did. Yeah. Yeah.

That is such a good point. And I know you've covered Betty and Barney Hill extensively on your show. So please, I hope people will definitely take your advice on that. But, Rob, I want to get to some of the stuff you got going on at our strange skies. Is that cool? Oh, yeah, man. So this one literally made me laugh out loud. when I heard you were writing this.

A recent blog you wrote at your website, it is called Don't Go to the Grays for your gift wrapping needs. So could you maybe tell us what the running theme of this post is and maybe a few examples of what you mean by this, man? Sure. So last year I did an episode that was an overview of the abduction phenomenon. I did it with my good friend, Rich Adam, screenwriter of the Mothman Prize. prophecies. And we started talking about how sometimes aliens, for lack of a better term,

fuck up when they're doing something. They mess up, you know, bringing a person back. Sometimes people will be brought back a mile or two away from where they were abducted. There is supposedly one story that was told to a researcher named John S. Carpenter that one person was returned 20 miles away from where they were abducted in a nearby town. What a dick move? Yeah. But, I mean, in Travis Walton's case, he was, I think, a couple miles away from the Sit Grieves National Forest. It gets more, you know, nefarious from there.

Sometimes these aliens will take personal items from people. there are some experiences that report that they have jewelry missing. Some have reported that apparently some grays have a thing for nightgowns. Apparently, this one guy told John Carpenter that he had to keep replacing his wife's nightgowns because he was afraid that she would be seen by the neighbors floating outside in the air completely naked. Wow, that's a possessive husband right there, I guess. Yeah, you know, he's doing good work. Sometimes when the aliens bring people back, they bring them back and put them in the wrong place, not just miles away, but just like in the wrong central location. So Terry Lovelace reported that during the actual devil's stand abduction, when they brought him back,

the aliens placed him near their car when in fact they actually abducted him from their tent. So the aliens had to come back and move them back into the tents. Whoops. And if you read John Mack's abduction, there's this brief little tidbit in there about this guy who's researching an abduction. And apparently these two people were abducted at the same time from two different cars. When they were returned, they were returned to the wrong car. Each of them saw each other on the highway as they were driving past each other, and the aliens had to come back, re-abduct them, and put them in the right cars. Oh, my, that just gave me chills, actually.

Could you imagine, like, driving down the road and seeing your own vehicle being driven by someone else? Yeah. Yeah. That's weird, man. Creepy. Where the essay gets its title from is the account of a one. woman named Carol Denham. And she was an abductee.

She lived, I want to say in Massachusetts, I think. Basically, she had had experiences her entire life. This was in January of like 92, 91, 92, somewhere around there. And she had gone to a company Christmas party. She was returning. And with her in her truck, she was returning to a farm that she worked on. She had this gift-wraff package of cookies and, like, fruitcake, and she recognized the signs that she was about to get abducted. And in one moment, you know, there was just this bright light, and then the next moment she's in her cab, everything's all messed up, and then there's papers all over the cab of the truck.

And she looks down at the package, and she realizes that it's been poorly rewrapped by the grace. It sounds like me at Christmas. I used to volunteer at our mall to wrap presents. And people would just be like, uh, I think I'll go somewhere else. Wow. That's, see, this is, this is what's amazing to me. And I'm so glad that you were able to, like, cherry pick all these stories out of different abduction researchers work because they happen. I mean, we know people have been returned in different clothes that weren't theirs or clothes were inside out.

and just like small things like that. It's so interesting. Yeah. And I mean, there are things that aliens seem to be puzzled by that, you know, to the average person, like, are really everyday items that we use. Like, there's one situation in which the aliens bringing back this one woman didn't understand how the blankets on her bed were used. So they just draped them around her neck. Oh, my God. The funny thing was

is that she was at this UFO conference and her roommate was in the room with her and she watched the whole thing and she's just talking about like they seem confused and frustrated by how the blankets work.

Yet they could travel hundreds of millions of light years to get to our planet. That's what always fascinates me with these conundrums of the grays. Yeah. It almost really makes them kind of human.

And just, yeah, don't understand how things work, but, you know, we'll give it our best shot. Right, right. I mean, it's kind of like, you know, I'm good at some stuff and I'm completely horrible at others. I mean, you ask me to add two and two, and I'm clueless, but you want me to write a soliloquy of Shakespearean, you know, dialogue. I'll do it. I'll do it for you, like, on the spot. So, you know, it's just like humans. We all have our own set of skills and traits, so maybe the grays are the same.

We think of them as these drone-like things, but maybe they're more human than we think. Maybe, you know, maybe lends credence to these theories that, you know, these are humans from the future. And like, this is not something, this is an old idea because if you go back into the late 1800s, there were people postulating what the humans of the future would look like. And a lot of them had really bulbous heads, and some of them kind of walked on, you know, four legs, almost kind of reverting to like the man in the trees and kind of stuff like that. But if you do look at that, there's an interesting account. I can't remember the guy's name, but he wrote this account after being in a coma for a few years. And he talked about seeing man in the future and kind of looked a little bit like the great. Grays. H.G. Wells also kind of toyed with this idea in a satirical work called Man of the Year

Million. And if you Google pictures of what Man of the Year of Million looked like, kind of looks like a gray on all fours. There is, there's an incident I came across. Rob, this one's pretty funny. This comes from Mike Leland, the Owl Guy. Do you know Mike's work? I do know Mike's work, yes. Yeah, he lives not too far from you, actually. He lives, the doctor's inn is in my hometown. Oh, shit. Yeah, I think you mentioned that at one point. Yeah, yeah, it's, yeah.

And then, you know, some aliens showed up there when you were there one weekend. Apparently. My hometown has never been the same since. Sorry about that. I'll never return. Well, Mike told in his first book, The Messengers, this really funny story, almost heartwarming, where a woman, a multiple abductee, she'd been abducted all her life, she was, you know, putting her kids to bed one night and getting ready to go to sleep,

and she's on the ground level of her house, and she looks out the window, and she sees a gray staring at her from the window, and the gray runs away from the window. She can see it, like, running away, so she goes outside, and she's like, hey, I see you. And the gray turns around, looks at her, And not telepathically, like she could see its mouth moving, and it just goes, Owl, Owl, Owl, Owl, Owl, Owl, Owl, Owl.

And it was trying to screen memory itself into an owl. And it couldn't do it. So she's staring at this gray outside, and it's just looking at her going, Owl, Owl, Owl. And it couldn't do it. For some reason, it could not implant the screen memory into her head of what you're looking at is actually an owl, not a gray alien. So, I mean, that gray fucked up, probably got demoted. that day and didn't get to do the abduction.

Yeah, you know, he's probably one of those craze that's, you know, just hanging around waiting to do something around the table or something. Right, right. He's like, oh, let me, please, let me try, let me try. That's so sad, I know. That's so great. I hope he was able to finally screen memory someone abduct them and traumatize them for the rest of their lives.

Yeah. That's all we can move for. these poor... That's all you can ask for in an alien abduction, really. I know, I know. And I know we're making light of it, but I do, you know, have all the empathy in the world for people who suffer these experiences. Oh, absolutely. You can't help but laugh when an alien is yelling owl at you.

Yeah, you can't help but laugh when aliens just screw up. Exactly. Well, I know you have a bunch of other examples in that article, so I definitely suggest people check out that one over at your website, our strange skies.com. All right, man. So let's move on to your, one of your latest episodes that I was listening to titled Harm from Above, Part 1. This is great. We're going to get a part 2. Which you cover why UFOs may be hostile. And you gave a few examples. So I was wondering maybe, would you mind teasing a little of this episode for us? So I've been on a Brazil kick lately, mostly because their cases are so out of the norm

for most countries. Like you talk about people seeing humanoids or just having a random encounter. Well, in 1977 UFOs and Brazil started to get a little violent. And

they coined a term for them called the Chupas. Now, you may know about these a little bit if you've read Hunt for the Skinwalker. They get kind of a little mentioned because on the ranch, I I think it was Mrs. Sherman who had the encounter with the box-like UFO out there,

or it might have been Terry. I can't remember exactly, but they talked about the Chupas, and they talked about how some of them were these rectangular or square-like objects. And the people in northern Brazil ended up undergoing this intense flap with U.S. UFOs that would shoot beams down at them and would cause them all sorts of bodily injuries. Sometimes there would be skin lesions. People would feel nauseous, dizzy. Sometimes they would, I think, just black out.

A lot of physical symptoms in response to these, but there were very few occupants seen. Some of them were very strange. There was one person who saw a man and a woman just flying in this weird-looking cylinder. And in another one, there was a very strange-looking humanoid that floated out of one of these chupas. You're going to get that in part two and was checking out a boat. But the M.O, yeah, most of the time, it fit this pattern. And this was seen by countless people. Like we're talking in the hundreds. Not only that, this was Brazil's first government-run study of UFOs, and their investigators experienced them. The doctor that treated the injuries sustained by these chupas also saw them.

Everybody was seeing them. So I wanted to cover it because it's a flap that I think people overlook a lot of the time. There aren't a lot of pods that I've seen cover them. and it's definitely one that is worthy of its own episode. We broke it up into two. But I think a lot of the problem is too where, you know, Antonio V.S. Boas and the Varginia incident, they're readily available sources in English. You don't have that for Colares, because most of the documents are coming from,

it was called the Opera Cal Prato team. So literally in Portuguese, it's obvious. Operation plate because, you know, it's kind of tongue in cheek for a saucer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you want to try and take a crack at those documents, John Greenwald has him on his website, the Black Vault. And we're talking about two, over 2,000 pages of documentation. And they, the Brazilian government investigated this for about a year and a half, just writing reports, interviewing witnesses, gathering testimony.

It really is one of the best flaps, you know, something that is on par with the 73 year of the humanoid or the 65 to 67 flaps in the States or the 54 flap in France and all these, yeah, just all these flaps on par with it, kind of just really goes above it. It's disturbing to think,

because, I mean, you can find reports of, her name was Dr. Carvalho. She traded, like, I want to say about 50 patients. So it's a wild one. But definitely check out those episodes. Yeah, Part 2 will have come out by the time this episode goes up. So it's an interesting, it's an interesting flap. Absolutely, man. And, I mean, you know, we have so many examples here in the U.S. too.

look at like, you know, Rendell Shum, look at the harm that came to, uh, to the gentleman there. His name's escaping right now, not Penniston. Oh, Burroughs. John Burroughs. Yeah, man. I mean, he had to get like congressional help to get helped out with this thing. This, like, ruined his heart, this UFO of me. Yeah.

I mean, you look at the cases in which maybe the UFOs weren't acting aggressively, but they had negative health effects, like, uh, cash landrums. That's someone I was going to mention. I could think of the name. Yeah. The Falcon Lake incident, Stefan Mikulak, had all sorts of health problems after that. And he had this grid pattern of scars that would materialize and disappear like every so many months for a while. It was a wild one.

And then there's, you know, the other side of that, the healings and such. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, let's do a complete 180 here. You go from UFOs that cause harm to UFOs that are helping people out. And this is another episode of your show called The UFO Miracle. So could you tell us a little about this one? I'd like to end a little happier. Yeah, right?

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There were a few others, but he was really the one that had the best resources because he was affiliated with APRO. He had a partnership with a journalist named Zhao Martins, who published in this magazine, called O Cruzeiro. It was kind of your average like maybe look magazine or Time magazine or something like that and occasionally he would publish these

UFO accounts and he got, he would routinely get letters and one of them that he got was from this woman who was a caretaker to this one man's daughter and she told this story about

how she had, I I want to say it was like stomach cancer. And it was really painful for her as stomach cancer is. And they were pretty much certain that she was going to die. And all of a sudden, they're all gathered around in this one room. They see a bright light outside the window. And there's this UFO. And all of a sudden, this doorway opens up.

And there are these two beings that float out. And one of them that stands in the door. away. They were short, about four feet tall. They came in and they started to perform an operation on this girl. And there was another one that was explaining to the girl's father that, you know, you're going to have to do this after we leave, give her these pills. These aliens apparently gave her, gave this man pills to give to his daughter. Wow, they're like pharmacists. Yeah, pretty much. And according to the letter, she was cured. That's he, that's, that's, I don't know what to say.

I mean, it almost like makes you really wonder, you know, maybe some races are here to harm us or to, you know, to plead our resources. But then you have situations like this where it's like, wow, how else do you take it other than like a miracle? You know, you got to wonder how many people think this could be something angelic or spiritual even. Right. and to this woman, it looked like a UFO and aliens getting out. I mean, we have other cases of UFO healings. There's a fascinating case from France, the case of a man. They called him Dr. X.

They didn't want to reveal his identity. But one night, he is awoken in the middle of the night. His son wakes him up. And he's a little restless, and he looks out the window, and he can see, like, these bright flashes. Like, there's, like, thunder and lightning out there, except there's no thunder. There's just these flashes of light. And he goes to this picture window. See these two UFOs that keep dropping beams down, and they're flying parallel to each other.

And at one point, they just come together and they form one big, huge UFO. This UFO comes towards the window where the doctor is standing. The doctor has all these health problems, some of them stemming from World War II. And I think one was sustained after falling off a ladder. He couldn't walk very well. I think he had like a blood clot in his leg and stuff like that. Well, he, after this incident, he gets up the next morning, finds out that, you know, he's walking just fine, seems to be healed.

at one point he gets a message that these aliens are going to return after he falls down a small set of stairs. He falls down the set of stairs. The UFO does return. And apparently this man has interactions with this UFO and supposedly alien beings for the majority of his life. But at certain points, he and his son would get this triangular-shaped red morgue. that would appear on their abdomen every so often. So, yeah, that's one fascinating case. I'll do an episode on that at some point.

But, yeah, that's another one. These healings every now and then are very strange. There's another one in 1951. It's called the Georgia Stocks case. And this pilot was flying, and he had made contact with a UFO. and instead of falling to the ground, this UFO brought him on board. They apparently diagnosed him with cancer,

and they cured his cancer on board. He wakes up a short while later on the ground outside, near the wreckage of his plane, but unfortunately he dies a year later. Oh, my God. All that for nothing. Yeah. That is just, like, irony at its finest.

I don't even know what to say to that. I need to take a sip on my beer. Hold on. Yeah, we do. We both do. I'm choking. Wow, man. Well, I mean, and you look at something like the Carlos De Los Santos case where UFOs collided with a dude's plane, they make him go into like a downward spiral.

And then they safely guide him to like an area where he can land safely. So you got to wonder. Look at Travis Walton. You know, hit with the beam. Might have killed him. Who knows? and then they bring them on board to fix them up. That's what he says at least.

So you got to wonder. Well, yeah, because, I mean, like, it didn't seem like those aliens were touching down in that field to abduct anybody. It seemed like they were having some kind of mechanical problems because they were just, like, kind of floating up and down in this field. And then you got some young, brash idiot that decides to come over and gets hit with a blue beam of light. Well, well, we got to fix them.

Yep. And now we forever have that abduction scene planted into our heads for the rest of eternity. That thing gives me nightmares. It does. It really does, especially when you see Mike Rogers' illustration of the first aliens that he comes into contact with. Yeah, they're very strange. I think their eyes and the way that their pupils and their brown eyes are kind of freak me out more than anything. Not to mention the fact that he, like, just.

painted them with these like stern expressions. I'm like, I think they were a little more emotive than that, but okay. Yeah, yeah, you do have to wonder. Hey, artist's interpretation. Yeah, pretty much. And I mean, yeah, I mean, it's, you know, Mike Rogers. He got brought into all this mess anyway, so. Yeah, is he the one, Rob, I don't know if you know,

one of them, like, goes out to the site now all the time and, like, is begging and waiting to be taken? I don't think it's Mike Rogers. I think it's one of the other guys. I'm so sad. Yeah. Well, I mean, like, I don't even know what it would be like to be in that kind of situation. To be a bystander to how that would affect you your entire life.

I mean, we know that guys like Philip ass, I call him that, you know, like tried to fucking ruin some lives there, not to mention that just seeing something like that. just how like what kind of existential crisis will that create in some people i can only imagine right and to you know have such confidence in one another in loyalty to stick to the story and meanwhile your your life is just going into a downward spiral of like you know being involved with this UFO case you got to wonder and all these guys stick to it to the state even if it did ruin their So, no, even though Travis was the one taken, they all suffered because of this, and they all had their own existential crisis, I would believe. Crisis of faith, belief, and the fact that one of them is going out there begging to be taken, I guess I can understand. Like, he wants confirmation that the shit actually happened and that the way his life went is maybe worth it?

I don't know. Right. I mean, like, you know, Travis Walton was literally taken. these guys were taken in other ways. So, you know, that will definitely affect you. Yeah. Well, you know, not to get too sad again, but this one dude broke my heart when I heard about this. A rejected abductee.

So, you know, we have UFO occupants that are harmful, sometimes helpful, and sometimes they simply are just doing their job. And quality control seems to be a big part of that. So could you maybe tell us a little about? about this poor bastard Alberto? Alfred Bertel. He, oh my gosh, he's,

God love this guy. He, um, he was night fishing in this place called the Bassing Stroke Canal. This, this canal was essentially built in the late 1700s in England to

kind of introduced agriculture all along this canal way. And, uh, it, uh, kind of went out of commission, not long. after maybe 40 years after it was built and it went through different stages.

The military used it for training during World War I and to bring supplies up and down. But a lot of people used it for recreational fishing and boating and such. And one of those people was Alfred Berto. And in 1983, we're in, we're approaching the height of, you know, abductions in pop culture, where, at least in the UFO community, we're getting to that level. And Alfred Berto decides he's going to go night fishing, something that he did every so often.

And he was 77 years old at the time. Brought his dog tiny with him. And he settles in at around 1 a.m. He's got his line out there. He takes a swig of tea, and he sees these lights just coming and approaching. And they set down in this copse of tree. nearby. And a few minutes later, his dog just starts going nuts. So he looks over, he can see these

two figures approaching him. They're kind of wearing coveralls and helmets with a, with a visor on him. And they basically motion for him to come along with them. So you've got one leading, and then one behind him, and they approach this craft that it's kind of, uh, uh, a little donut shaped with a really strange dome on top. It's got these porthole lights on the outer edge of it. And there's this small stairway leading up into an opening. So they lead them up in there. He's standing in this room for maybe a few minutes.

And this shaft comes out of the floor. And this really loud, booming voice says, stand under the amber light. and at the time he couldn't actually see an amber light. So he moves forward a little bit and he can finally see this light coming down from the ceiling. So stands under this light and the loud booming voice says, What is your age? And Alfred Berto says, oh, I'll be turning 78 on my next birthday.

And the alien beings tell him, you can go. You are too old and infirm for our purpose. Oh, my God. Albert no so Albert you know he wasn't dejected he didn't feel dejected or anything he just went back to fishing

and then he's fishing until probably about noon the next day he runs into a couple of a ministry of defense guys out there and you know he's talking about it and they're like oh I guess you did see that UFO I was like well that's interesting but

oh man for Alfred Bertow just too old and infirm for their purposes. You know, if it wasn't enough that, like, society casts the elderly aside and forgets about them, even the fucking aliens won't take them, man. I mean, I think Dave Huggins is the best of us all, because he, you know, he's, like, how old now, and apparently he's still getting it? I don't know. Yo, Dave Huggins is the man, still mac in it with an alien at, like, 79, I think.

Yeah, yeah, more power to him. Hey dude, if you still got it, use it. That's all I got to say. Rob, now, before we leave here, there is another series you do with your show called The Meltdown, and these are where you get kind of like UFO Happy Hour. You let loose and you just air all your frustration, man. And these are the best episodes of any podcast that's willing to like shed that professionalism or that performance mode and really tell their honest opinions. So I love when you guys do these episodes. And you recently covered something that should not be back in the UFO conversation and up for debate, but for some fucking reason it is. I don't know why, but people think the alien autopsy video, once again, is real.

But you recently covered it, and you talked about the freaks man. So what was this meltdown episode, man? So I had my buddies, Brian and Angelo from Double Density on, and, man. We did what we call the Freaks trilogy, which is the alien autopsy video and two specials that he did in 97 and 2000 called UFOs the best evidence ever caught on tape. Yeah. Oh, man. I remember those. Yeah, which most of those were not the best evidence ever caught on tape.

Some of them were very much streetlights. Some of them were the reflection of indoor lights, you know, from a window. And, you know, there were a couple of them. We gave a little credit to Jaime Moussaan during the 1990 Mexico City eclipse footage, because some of it's good. But most of it, we've actually asked, like, you know, instead of getting wrapped up in these alien mummy hoaxes, why don't you, like, digitize all these videos that you say you have, like, over 5,000 UFO videos that you've been sent? Why don't we just digitize those, buddy? Yeah, yeah. Just come on.

Good question. We even offered to set up a Patreon for him. I mean, come on, Jaime. He doesn't need your money, trust me. He's doing just fine. I know, but I figured it would be a little more motivation, but, you know. Absolutely. But we talked about the Ray Santillie alien autopsy video from the absolute, oh, just great special alien autopsy factor fiction.

Oh, dude, I watch it, like, on a monthly basis. It's on Netflix right now, and, like, I always go back to it because even, even without the videos of the alien, it's a pretty good wrap-up of the Roswell incident, to be honest. They got Frankie Roe on there, who you don't hear from that often, so. No. Yeah, so how did it go? What were your conclusions or? Well, the, the interesting thing is, is like, yeah, you get the Roswell portion up front, and then you have, you have. all these quote unquote experts looking at this, you know, video.

And one of them is Cyril Brecht, the All-Star, he was the medical examiner that was like featured on every program of the 90s in 2000. Cyril Wecht, just an interesting guy. And he's somehow convinced that this is an actual life form. Okay. We got a medical examiner convinced this is an actual life form. Then we have Stan Winston. Now, Stan Winston,

Stan Winston built the freaking dinosaurs from Jurassic Park. He was just, at first he's like, no, this is fake. And then, you know, as you go along, he's like, oh, no, this has got to be real because we couldn't even duplicate this. And, you know, today, even though one guy duplicated it in his London flat, he built it in his London flat. Yeah, come on, man. Like, how much is it? They pay him to save that.

Right, right. I mean, realistically, this special, the only thing this special was missing was Bruce McAbee because he falls for most things hookline and sinker. God bless you, Bruce, but some things you put a little too much stock in. Golf briefs. Crop Circle videos. But, yeah, we, we tore it a new one. Just, I don't understand how.

people can still believe this after Ray Sintilly himself said that he had to quote unquote remake this footage because he saw a video, he saw video footage of this originally, but it was in so poor quality. He had to refill it himself. And then you had, I forget what his name was in 2017 saying, oh yeah, I created this in my London flat. It wasn't that hard. Spiro something? Yes. Or he was the one who, so I don't know.

There's actually a good movie, I remember watching. But I think Bill Pullman was even in it. There was a 2006 movie. Yeah. It was a British movie. Yeah, comedy. Yeah, you know who created that? No.

The guys that host British Scott Talent. All right. There you go. It's got talent. Yeah, the two hosts that they have on there created that movie. Okay, okay. It's actually, I really enjoyed it. Yeah, it's a good movie. A step by step of how they did this thing.

But I don't know if you know anything about all this shit going on right now with people claiming that it actually is real and that like admirals or someone are saying that it was real. I don't know. I think it was in one of the Eric Davis memos. Okay. They were talking about it in one of those because they were also talking about the MJ, MJ, 12. documents being real. I had MJ Bonayas on last year, and we talked about the Paul Benowitz stuff and the MJ12 documents. And, you know, he's like, MJ12 was a thing, but they just didn't investigate aliens.

They were involved in covering up, you know, atomic fallout and stuff like that. That's what they were there for. And I mean, if you have heard of the MJ12 documents, what you need to do now is go to the internet look up something called the Pratt tapes. If you go and look for the Pratt tapes, you can pretty much tell where the MJ12 stuff came from. Not to mention the first MJ12 documents, who were they sent to? Jamie Shandra and Bill Moore. He hasn't been wrapped up in any sort of disinformation controversies. Not at all. No, not at all. He, I mean, he didn't admit to, like, you know, playing his part in the Paul Benowitz affair at all, like in 1989 at the

Uthon symposium. Like that that symposium had to be like, you know, gangbusters. I wish I could have been there. Oh, yeah. I know Greg Bishop was there at the time. He said like, you know, those people were, if there were pitchforks there being sold, they would have sold out in like two minutes. I'm sure because, I mean, I can't imagine it's an easy thing to get up there and say,

oh yeah, I helped ruin Paul Benowitz's life. In return, I get all this authentic UFO information. I mean, a lot of people think this is, you know, the whole Tom DeLon thing. Like, he's getting fed actual information, but then he's going to pump out a whole different narrative to the public. Now, I don't believe that. But at the end of the day, man, it's the fact that we're still talking about the alien autopsy video and that it could be real. What kind of world are we living in? It just, it astounds me that this is happening, that the MJ12 documents, the alien autopsy, are being debated again.

And that's the UFO field. There's such amnesia when it comes to these things that people are so hungry to believe in something that the minute someone says, let me recycle that alien autopsy thing again. And let's see what happens. People are going to fucking believe it. It's astounding. Right. And like, the thing is, it's like, I at Hookline Sinker, what I would tell you to do is to go out and do a little more research. And that's really what this feels.

of study is. It's looking into all angles of this and saying, oh, well, I think there's something to this, or no, this is completely bogus. And I mean, if you go to the FBI's website and you look at the MJ12 documents, somebody basically wrote bogus and big black letters on these documents and put pictures of them on their website. That's what they think of them. And I mean, here's a good barometer. So the Psalm 101 manual that was sent to Don Berliner in, 1991, I believe it was. Now, Clifford Stone, do you know who Clifford Stone is? The crash retrieval guy? Yeah, yeah. They asked Clifford Stone about the Assam 101 manual. He's like, no, it's not like anything that I had to work with. So I don't think it's real. No, it's not real. Yeah, if Clifford Stone, who will believe anything is saying that, then that means something. Yeah, that's definitely significant and oh god it's like like my advice to people is go look at every aspect of something and then draw your conclusions don't just don't just listen to me all right don't just listen to one person if you're going to listen to me just go out find every bit and piece of information

about one certain thing that you can and then draw your own conclusions i mean that what some people say, you know, to do in some forms of entertainment. I'm not going to name names here, but like there are some people that say, I want you to draw your own conclusion, but don't do an honest job of giving you honest information. So you need to go out and you need to go look for that information, unfortunately these days, because it's a tough world and you may not know who you can trust. That's a really good point, man. If I've learned anything from working in the entertainment field as of late, it's, you don't know who you can trust, and you have to be very careful. And at the end of the day, like, don't pay for someone to tell you what to think. Just think on your own. That's

why we're here. That's why we have brains. That's why we have the freedom to learn. So, like, do it. Do it. Learn. Research. Put the legwork in. And be honest. with yourself about the information that you are receiving, don't just outrightly discount it because it doesn't fall into your line of belief system or the belief that you have in somebody. No, you're not looking for belief in people, you're looking for the actual information, the facts. So follow those.

Don't follow the beliefs of other people, and in particular, Stephen Greer. I think it's kind of like a tradition that we just, like, you know, name call him at least once in one of these episodes. Yeah, I think his name comes up at least once. But while we're at it, Corey Good, done it, done. Yep, yeah, Corey Good. Get out of here.

You know what? You know who's a better version of Corey Good? It's Randy Kramer. I love Randy Kramer to death. Like the, he's one of the, he's, he's in that line, but he's not as egotistical. Go, go listen to Rainy Kramer if you're into that kind of like secret space program kind of stuff. Go listen to him. to him.

Yeah. Well, if they're not listening to Randy Kramer, Rob, where can they listen, like this transition here? Where can they listen to the Our Strange Skies podcast, brother? Well, you can find it on pretty much every single podcast app, and you can find it at the new website, Our Strange Skies.com.

I've only been doing this for almost two years. We finally got a website. Dude, it's beautiful, by the way. Yeah, it was done by the great Desdemona. That's the only thing that I will call her. the great Desdemona because she's great at everything she does. She does all the artwork for our website and most of the t-shirts and merch that you can find in our T-Public store have been done by her. She did one for me too.

Yep. She's amazing. She is. If you're intrigued by the Antonio V.S. Bois story, we have a T-shirt over there. The Antonio V.S. Bois craft. It's really pretty cool. Nice. Yes. Bois is boss.

He is boss. I mean, just like, he was taken aboard that UFO, but he didn't seem to have too bad a time. Yeah, dude, party it up. Yeah. That's all I got to say. Rob, thank you, as always, brother, for coming on, given your honest opinion in a field that is always afraid, it seems to be honest. So I love doing this. It's so refreshing.

Again, everyone, go check out the Our Strange Skies podcast, and I cannot thank you. for tipping one back with me again, brother. I appreciate it, man. Thank you so much. That's it for this volume of UFO Happy Hour. As always, my sincere thanks to Rob Christophis for coming on. If you're listening to this episode upon release on Monday, please be sure to tune in to my brand new episode of Mysteries Decoded. Tomorrow, Tuesday, September 10th at 9 p.m. Eastern,

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