Somewhere in the Skies - UFO HAPPY HOUR: Volume Four

Episode Date: July 8, 2019

On episode 116 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, Ryan pulls up a barstool once again with Rob Kristoffersen for a UFO Happy Hour. The two talk about some of the latest cases Rob has been researching out of Brazil and France, a strange close encounter with some soil-sampling aliens in a New Jersey park, the incredible lifelong experiences of Terry Lovelace, and a string of UFO encounters off the USS Roosevelt long before the Gimbal video ever came to be. And of course, Ryan and Rob get brutally (and drunkenly) honest about the latest TV show outing by To the Stars Academy. Grab a beverage of choice and join us for another booze-fueled volume of UFO Happy Hour! Guest Bio: Rob Kristoffersen is the host of the Our Strange Skies podcast, and has been an amateur UFO researcher/paranormal investigator for nearly 10 years. He has been a lifelong resident of the Adirondacks and has had an interest in the paranormal from a very early age. When he's not investigating incidents of high strangeness, he can be found indulging in his love for professional wrestling, music, and good writing. Follow him on Twitter @YerUFOguy Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies To watch ROSWELL: MYSTERIES DECODED for free, CLICK HERE  Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan's Book by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is sponsored by HelloFresh. To receive 50% off your first order, use promo code: SOMEWHERE50 at checkout by visiting www.HelloFresh.ca Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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That's right. It's volume four of UFO Happy Hour. Folks, if there's one thing that you need to remember, you never flash a flashlight at a UFO. It didn't end well for the Alagash guys, and it sure as hell didn't end well for Terry Lovelace.

This is Somewhere in the Sky. Brian Sprague. All right, today I have my favorite guy to pull up a bar stool with after a long day of work for UFO happy hour. And that is Rob Christofferson. Rob, how you doing, my man? I'm doing good. How are you? I am good, man, coming off the heels of World UFO Day.

Happy World UFO Day. Yeah, same to you, man. It's a glorious day, you know. And it falls in line with, you know, the general time scale. for when the Roswell crash happened. So, you know, it's festive. It's a very festive week here. It is very festive.

Well, speaking of that, what do you drink it today for Happy Hour? So I toned it down a little bit. It's still, we're still drinking beer, but it's root beer. And not just any root beer. It's Serenac root beer. The best root beer around. Seriously, folks, if you don't, if you, you got to get your hands on this root beer. It's great.

It's not like mug where it'll where it's like very, it'll leave you gassy. This doesn't do that. I couldn't agree more being from upstate New York myself. Like, that's what I grew up on, man. And I actually went on like a rupeer excursion throughout the country when I was in my younger days acting on the road. And I would try a root beer in every like city and town I went to. That was like my thing. And it was really cool.

cool. I got to try all these local brews and everything, but I always came back to Saranac. That was always my favorite. Yeah, you really can't go wrong with it. And I mean, you don't live, you grew up not far from where they brew the stuff. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, it was awesome. Well, good. Well, okay, so I guess I'm the alcoholic of the two of us today. Um, I have with me, I found this beer at a craft beer bar here in New York. And dude, I was stunned when I saw it. So about a month ago, I covered the the Herb Schumer incident on the show.

And at the time, they had a beer that was coming out commemorating the event and I found it here in New York City. Oh, no way. I was stunned

when I saw it in the refrigerator. It comes from Broken Bowes Brewing Company and it's called, you'll like this, the Starsnake Dank IPA. That's great. And I'm sure you get the reference.

It's inspired by the emblem that H. Shimer remember seeing on the uniforms of the aliens that invited him aboard their craft. So I was just astounded. So I've got it in front of me. I'm going to pop it open as we get into our conversation here. But happy World UFO Day, Rob. And I'm glad you brought up the Roswell incident when it came to that because I wanted to know where this all came from. People just started sort of posting this on their social networks and everything. And I wanted to know where did World UFO Day come from? And Al Jazeera actually did a pretty good write-up on this. So I'm just going to run through this briefly, if you don't mind.

Oh, yeah, man. Yeah, a little crash course here on World UFO Day. It's defined by the World UFO Day organization, aptly. The World UFO Day is a day dedicated to the existence of UFOs. It aims to raise awareness about the existence of UFOs and with that intelligent beings from outer space, encouraging people to think about the possibility of us not being alone in the universe. It's also a way to encourage governments to declassify their files on supposed UFO sightings. And you'd mentioned Roswell.

So originally World UFO Day was celebrated on June 24th date of Kenneth Arnold's citing. What they ended up doing is they wanted to merge two of the most sort of famous events at the time, Kenneth Arnold and Roswell, and just have it in July, you know, when everyone's out doing their barbecues and it's 102 degrees out and you're drinking a cold beer. So I thought that was pretty cool. And now we know where World UFO Day came from. So thank you, Al Jazeera. Yeah, absolutely. You just got learned, people.

You got learned. Well, you've been doing a lot of learning too lately, man. I've been following you on Twitter and it's been such an amazing enlightening time for your Twitter. feed my god you can always tell when rob is really getting heavy into his research because you start posting all these like photos no one's ever seen before from all these like books from like 10 20 30 years ago so i love it dude oh yeah man it's uh i i get giddy with the research because we have more research resources than ever i mean online in books and like hindsight's you know 2020, man, especially right now where we are in 2019, looking back on all these incidents and stuff.

It's been kind of a really fun learning experience. I can imagine. And again, it's so exciting following someone like you on Twitter, especially us UFO researchers who get so, you know, dog down with dates and times and, you know, this, that debunking this. And it gets so, like, it can be draining and kind of boring, to be honest. So when you see someone like you excited to dig into these old cases, like it just reinvigorates everyone in the community. So I got to thank you for that, first of all. Well, you know, it's fun and I love sharing the well, so I'm happy to do it.

Good, good. And, you know, you did bring up a good point. We're in 2019 now. There is a lot going on when it comes to the stars and ATIP, these revelations, which we'll get to towards the end here. but everyone is looking at this now from a military angle, you know, with the Navy and everything. But there's all these cases involving people that aren't part of the military. So we have to keep that in mind when we're looking at this, that most UFO sightings were not seen by the military. And that sort of comes in the form of one of the ones I wanted to talk with you about first here,

and that is this Brazilian kick you've been on lately. So what cases really stick out to you? How did you, and how did this lead you to what I saw you posting about recently, about the 1954 French UFO flap? I have a Brazilian friend, her name is Fabi, and she kind of like reinvigorates my love for Brazilian UFO cases because they're really, really kind of extreme in many ways to give kind of a comparison in just,

June 24th, you know, 1947, Kenneth Arnold sees the nine objects. Well, a month after that, Brazil has its first humanoid sighting. So while we're just seeing UFOs in the sky, Brazil's seeing some really extreme stuff. The first humanoid sighting in Brazil was by a man named Jose C. Higgins. He sees this craft and he sees these really tall, really weird-looking aliens get out. They're kind of, they want him to come aboard their ship, but he doesn't want to. And he tries to convince them that, you know, he's got a family here. He doesn't want to go anywhere.

So the aliens leave him alone. And then they just start frolicing around for whatever reason. It's very reminiscent kind of of like the Kelly Hopkinsville encounter or if you're familiar with the Mojave incident. Yes, yeah. Or they were just these really strange look at being. They were just like they described them as frolicing around and, you know, childlike in a certain way. But I decided I wanted to do some cases from Brazil.

And there's always kind of like three classic ones that always come to mind. There's the abduction of Antonio V.S. Boas. There's the Clarese sightings in 1977, which is where we get. The chupas from, the rectangular-looking UFOs that supposedly shot beams down at people and hurt them. And the third one is the Varsinia incident in 1996. But I was just perusing old issues of Flying Sauce Review Online. And they really provided the most in-depth coverage of the... Antonio V.S. Boas incident.

So anytime I would see Alavo Fontez, who is a Brazilian doctor, he was the APRO representative, aerial phenomena research organization, anytime I'd see an article by him, I'd just pull it. And there's one from 1961, and it's called Brazil under UFO survey. And it's just, you know, perusing it a little bit. and there is a line that, a sentence that says, the sightings followed a straight line pattern first discovered by Amy Michelle in France in 1954, see his book, Flying Saucers, and the Straight Line Mystery. And I just got really curious, like straight line mystery.

What the hell are you talking about, man? UFOs and straight lines? That's kind of weird. So I kind of put it aside a little bit and did some research on the, Brazil stuff and it was probably like a month, month and a half ago I stumbled across this blog post that's about a really

strange law that was passed in France in 1955 that basically banned UFOs from flying over this town it's called Chate Nof du Papet. It's in southern France and it was in response to this 1954 flap

in France And it was kind of the first flap that featured humanoids. And what people often described seeing was these short, three to four foot tall humanoid beings. They were wearing what they called diving suits, just these metallic looking suits that was reminiscent of, you know, the stuff before Jacques Cousteau came along and gave us the scuba gear and all that good stuff. And they were often seen near small craft, oftentimes working on it. And one thing that they also reported that was kind of startling is that these UFOs would paralyze these people many times, more often than that, which kind of relates to some of the stuff that goes on in Brazil. But it was in that that it really just got interested in this straight line mystery. thing. So I ended up finding a copy of Amy Michelle's Flying Saucers in the Straight Line Mystery.

Not a cheap book if you want to find it, folks. I think I paid, like, I haggled with an eBay seller to get it down to like $30. You were the king of that, by the way. I try. I do my best. I am extremely envious of your UFO library. It's just, you know, you get a tip and it's like, oh, hey, I got to go find that book. So. Oh, man. It's, it's an addiction. It really is. It is. And, you know, a lot of books aren't in print these days or they're through, you know, publishers that are very dubious that I'm not really totally safe with. But what you find in France in 54, and I give a lot of respect to the independent investigators, because that's where most of this information comes from. This stuff was investigated by Amy Michelle and I think one other guy. And they collected over. I want to say 400 reports.

Wow. And then like the reporting was so good that Amy Michelle was actually able to take UFO sightings on a certain day and able to track it. And they would always go in these straight line patterns from, you know, place to place to place. And the time frame generally matched up and everything. And he, this book is mostly about, you know, plotting all of this along. and giving you all of these UFO sightings. And if you want kind of a teaser on many of these sightings, all you have to do is go to Passport to Magonia,

and Jacques Valet has a lot of them in there. Interesting, okay. Yeah, but it was so fascinating to see that he was able to, that the reporting was so good that he was able to track that in straight line patterns. And Alavo Fontes was able to do the same thing in Brazil, Zill. He was noting in 1957 and 1960 that

with the UFO sightings that they were getting, they were moving in straight lines. And he has some very interesting graphs in Flying Souser Review. And it looks like a jumble of lines and stuff, but

it's all in straight line patterns. And Amy Michelle is also able to link that to the 19 57 flap in the United States that includes the famous Leveland sighting in Texas that was kind of around the time when UFO started

shutting off car engines. Right. What's interesting about that and it kind of begins with Antonio V.S. Boas himself, but it has this, it's almost like an analog kind of way because when you look at his abduction account it's very

there isn't a lot of like real authentic high strangers to it when he eventually like to go into the basics of it Antonio Vesboas he was a 23 year old farmer and he was living on his family farm

at the time he was plowing a field at one o'clock in the morning as you do when you're living in Brazil because it's hot as hell. And he had seen UFOs on previous occasions, including the night before, but he sees this red light in the sky. It comes down really fast, and it kind of cuts his tractor off from the road leading to his house to actually get away from it. And he makes this split-second decision that he's going to try to, you know, outrun it anyway. His tractor dies, unfortunately.

So he makes a run for it. It doesn't make it long before he gets tackled by a short humanoid. He said it came to about his shoulder. And he pushed it away. And he continued running and made it about 20 feet before he was tackled by three more figures. They dragged him on board a UFO. They stripped him naked. They took blood from his chin, which seems like a really odd place to take blood.

But, you know, we'll go with it. He had sex with a female alien being, or at least that's how he claims it. Yeah, he did. Yep. And not once but twice. Yeah. So this was not a one-night stand. No, it was, he had some very personal feelings when she rejected him the third time, but, you know, you'll have that.

He's so sensitive. He's very sensitive. But they also toured him around the UFO, and then they let him out and took off. And apparently he was on this UFO for like four and a half hours. Okay. But what he found when he went back to his tractor is that when he tried to start it up, he couldn't. And then when he looked in the engine, he just realized that one of the battery terminals was unplugged. So it's very like, it's almost like a proto.

kind of abduction because it's not really there isn't a lot of there isn't psychic elements to it he claimed that the beings he interacted with they had a very primitive language they that he said they sounded like dogs barking almost and yeah it's uh it kind of starts right there with Antonio Vs Boas and then after that you start to see flood of reports of UFOs shutting off cars It's very weird

Yeah it is weird And the thing that always stuck out to me about his case is This happened well before the Betty and Barney Hill case Am I correct? Yeah, four years Four years So there you go

I mean everyone thinks that They were sort of the start of this phenomenon That was starting to pop up everywhere But yeah You bring up a good point though You know it was pretty straightforward in some respects but that almost says more to me that he's not he's not exaggerating anything he's like this what happened

this is what I saw and this is how they communicated so yeah fascinating case yeah and unfortunately they didn't believe him when they when he went in uh Fantes had his reservations and there was a journalist that he initially got in contact with named Jow Martins he uh he kind of of he was the kind of the UFO journalist for this magazine called O. Crusero, I think is how it's

pronounced, but he didn't believe his story at all. And either, this guy is really imaginative because when you read his affidavit, it's like a 13 page affidavit. It is full of so much detail.

The guy didn't really miss a beat and he did, he had conscious recall of everything. So that makes it stand out as a very strange kind of abduction that almost seems more human kind of in a way. Like the perpetrators may have been human, but, and there's conspiracies like that. But yeah, it's a very strange case. The whole Brazil thing, there's so much rich UFO history when it comes to Brazil. So I'm glad someone's seeking it out. I do want to go back for a it though Rob, you brought up these laws in France. I got to read these really quick, if you don't mind.

Yeah. This is hilarious. Okay, so in 1954, here's the law. The overflight, the landing, and the takeoff of aircraft known as flying saucers or flying cigars, whatever their nationality is, are prohibited on the territory of the community. Article 2. Any aircraft known as flying saucer or flying cigar, which should land on the territory of the community will immediately be held in custody.

Article 3, the forest officer and the city policemen are in charge, each one in what relates to him of the execution of this decree. So there you go, man. City policemen are in charge of a UFO lands. It's fun to watch these laws pop up in, like, random places that have to do with, like, UFOs, the Washington, there's a county of Washington that. has a Bigfoot law that basically says if they, when they examine the animal, if it turns out to be more human, you're going to be charged basically with manslaughter.

Well, and we know John Greenwald, too, over at the Black Vault. He's found many documents throughout history where, like, either the Army or, like, the fire department, there's, like, contingency plans if a UFO is found. It's crazy. Yeah, absolutely. There was, before Dave Politis became the missing 411 guy, his thing was researching Bigfoot. He ended up staying and interviewing many of the Hoopa people, which are in Northern California getting their statements. But in the beginning of his book, it's called The Hoopa Project.

He talks about how there's a, I want to say there's like a U.S. Army Corps of Engineers map that has Bigfoot on it and listing it as like a potential threat to like deforestation and you know like it would we would be like a threat to like a threat to them if we decided to deforest in certain areas so it was kind of interesting and then it has kind of a funny cartoon underneath it and it says something like Big Foot does not exist and we shouldn't be putting stuff in there like that or something like that. It's kind of funny. That's awesome.

Yeah, Bigfoot's making a comeback lately in the mainstream media too. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Well, one of the other cases, Rob I wanted to cover with you here is you tweeted recently about a case in New Jersey back in our neck of the woods here that involved a hefty amount of aliens. So can you maybe run us through this case and what you found most interesting about it? Oh, yeah. This is a fun little case from 1975, like a whole nine months before the Travis Walton abduction. And I first read about it in Bud Hopkins' missing time.

And it's in this like park in Northburg in New Jersey. Now, if you're in Manhattan and your... standing on West 89th Street, you can look across the Hudson River and you can see kind of the landmark in the area where this happened. It happened near this circular apartment building called the Stonehenge, which at the time,

it was pretty, it was pretty much brand new. It wasn't open that long. It was very modern looking. I mean, looking at it now, it's not like you have many round apartment buildings these days, but it's, and if you want to get really technical, it's New Jersey's 42nd tallest building. There you go, man, doing the deep research. Oh, yeah, but basically Bud Hopkins at the time in 1976, or sorry, 1975, November 1975, he has a studio right across the street from this liquor store.

And as he would, you know, would have it, he would go at the end of the day. You don't usually go over buy a bottle of wine or something like that. I know, something bougie because, I mean, it's Bud Hopkins. He's an artist, you know, it's just, it's just, yeah, it's just his stature. And he rolls in sometime in mid-November of 1975. And the guy at the counter is named George O'Barski. He's, he co-owns the building. He's mumbling about, you never know when something's going to come out of the sky near you and startle you and stuff like that.

And, you know, it catches Bud Hopkins attention. Now, this is November 75. So if I'm, I'm wondering why this guy's babbling about this. I'm wondering if, you know, he may have saw something about Travis Walton because it was, you know, around this time. but you know starts asking him you know a little bit about this and you know it's a busy a busy liquor store so he comes back he's got his recorder and george o barsky tells him this story about how in january of 75 he's closed up shop he's driving home he lives in north berg in new jersey and he cuts through this park called the north hudson park and it's just kind of this random park

it stands out in the middle of a big city but it's got playing fields of all kinds got a little lake in it and it's right across from this apartment building called the Stonehenge

so he's cutting through the park on his way home when he sees this really bright light coming past him and basically keeping pace with his car and it lands in a field nearby. Now, George stops his car,

and he just watches it, and this object is like 30 feet long. It's very weird. It's like a dome kind of structure with these windows that are all around the side. And he sees this ladder come down, and these 10 alien beings getting out, He described them pretty much as like short grays, and they're all carrying a small shovel and a bag.

And they all start digging in the ground, and they fill up these bags. And it's very kind of robotic. They're very systematic in the way that they do this, and they got the job done within about four minutes. And then boom, the craft takes off. So, Obarsky's naturally shaken up. he goes home, he takes a couple aspirin, and he tries to fall asleep, and eventually does. Next morning, goes out, goes to this park, and he's thinking that it must have been a dream or something like that. And he goes and he finds 15 holes in the ground, around the area where these aliens were digging the ground up.

And he pops a couple more aspirin. He's a little more nervous and, you know, he kind of keeps it to himself for, he literally didn't tell anybody, including his son who was living with him. And until that day when Bud Hopkins comes in, and Bud Hopkins, you know, this is his early days as an investigator. And he's like, well, I need resources. So he contacts Ted Blocker and a guy named Jerry Storer, I think is his name. a member of Mufon, and they investigated the hell out of this case. They found an eyewitness at the Stonehenge apartment building that worked at the door, who saw light on that night.

And apparently, um, around the time that this craft was departing, it ended up, they heard like a sound, he were heard like a sound wave or something like that. And it shattered part of the glass on the front door of the building. Shit.

Yeah. And prior to this incident, about a week before that, there was a family a few blocks down that saw this weird object passed by their window. They were so, you know, amazed by it. They all ran outside their house. Some of them weren't even wearing shoes and they chased this thing down the block. That is dedication. Oh, yeah. Pure dedication.

but like basically it's one of the probably best investigated cases that you'll ever read. You can go on to Kufos' website and there's a great write-up in there. I think they housed it under their abduction papers and there's kind of a question. Oh, interesting. Maybe O'Barski was abducted

because there's a little bit of a time difference there but you know can't be totally sure. But yeah, that was, it's one very, very straight. And this is a populated area, heavily populated area. North Bergen is a decent sized city and not to mention you're right across from like one of the biggest cities in the world. Yeah, exactly. I know. Everyone thinks these things happen in very, you know, rural areas. But no, we got them here in the city as well. Right. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you, you talked about having a sighting, a second sighting yourself. I saw the, uh, the youth vet video.

Yeah, dude, yeah, that was my second and only other UFO sighting that I can really think of, at least. But yeah, it was so cool to have Jim here and Carl to be there on the rooftop with me, where I, where, you know, right off the block where I saw this thing. But yeah, we see them here in the city all the time. The problem is there's so much aircraft over us that, like, you never know. You just never know. I remember I downloaded an app where you could see every plane in the city. air and I just flicked it on one random night and there was

literally, I think it says something like 300 flights right above me. Oh, God. I don't know how that many planes can be coming in and out of both either LaGuardia, JFK, Newark, I don't know. Without crashing, it's beyond me.

Yeah, yeah. I don't even want to wrap my head around that. That's wild. It's too much, man. But yeah, whatever I saw that night, I still think it was probably a satellite, just its movement and the way I tracked it and everything. But yeah, it definitely like shot up into the sky and kind of disappeared. So that's when I was like, uh, what? Like either my eyes played tricks on me or this satellite had some sort of like thrust to it beyond what it had.

So I don't know. But this isn't about me, Rob. This is about these poor people in, uh, New Jersey running barefoot after a UFO. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing that they were actually able to find as many eyewitnesses to this. Right, right.

And they did it old school. They went door to door. They bugged everybody that they could at the Stonehenge. And, you know, they just tracked down leads. There was, I believe, one of the members of that family was, they were at a UFO talk that somebody was given. It might have been Ted Bacher himself, but they came up and said,

oh, we saw something, you know, on this day, and we chased it down the street. Yeah. That's a good point, though, like doing the due diligence when it comes to investigating these things. I know you had John Tenney on your show recently, and he brought up a good point. He said, you know, I had these humanoid sightings happening in this town.

So what did I do? I went door to door and tried to. to ask other people if they'd seen anything. And like, you never hear about people doing that anymore. It's either posted on Facebook, hey, anyone see this? Or, you know, you just hope that someone finds you. But no, these people are going out there and doing the work. Yeah, it's important because I mean, like, that when you go a knock on somebody's door,

you're showing them that you're taking the time, that this is important and that what they have to say is important. So it's it's important to do because what you see that Mufon investigators do, and I understand, they don't have time to get out and investigate a bunch of cases. But most of the time, it's an email, a phone call, and that's it. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's the digital age we live in. It's good and bad at times.

But even I find myself doing the same thing. I'm like, I don't want to go to. you know, I don't even want to go to New Jersey to interview someone. Right. But no, put the work in, guys, put the work in. Well, here's another one you recently covered on the Our Strange Skies podcast. Rob is Terry Lovelace, this case. I recently had him on a bonus episode of my show.

And it was an interview conducted by a longtime listener of mine, Daniel Allen Jones. I had him as sort of a correspondent out of. at contact in the desert. And that's where he got to meet Terry Lovelace. So a shout out to Daniel for his awesome correspondence work, first of all. But I know that you did a really good dive into this case. So would you mind maybe running us through the basics of it? I know that's probably hard to do if there are any basics to it.

And your impressions of this case, I know we're going to get him on eventually. Terry's kind of an interesting person just because he, represents this new age of experiencers in the way that they get their stories out there and that's through self-publishing. So if you look at a lot of experiencer stories, they are through self-published works.

Sherry Wilde self-published her book, I believe. There's a few others that come to mind. But Terry's kind of leading the pack and at least lately And I think the reason is is because his story is very strange. It's very kind of relatable to, but there's also not a ton of detail at times. And then it's kind of juxtaposed with a lot of detail about one incident. But for Terry, the story kind of begins in October of 2012.

Terry was, and he probably still is an avid jogger. and it's kind of funny to read in this book how his dad has objections about him jogging, but, I mean, it was a different time, the early 1980s, jogging was new,

and he kind of asked Terry a good question, why do you want to run if no one's chasing you? And it's kind of this very prescient, ubiquitous question. Like, why the heck would you want to do that? What the heck you're running from? And then he proceeds to lay out that,

in October of 2012 he often when he was running his right knee there was a spot above his right knee that would often go numb which is not something you hear happening to most runners and he he initially had it

checked out and the doctor basically said well if it ain't broke don't worry about it if it doesn't cause you pain it's not a problem So he goes on, runs for years and years and years and years, and then one morning he wakes up with this incredible pain in his leg. And his wife, Sheila, drives him to the emergency room. They take an x-ray, and they find basically a, it's like a, looks like a piece of metal, a long, thin piece of metal. and they also find this very strange, like, circular pattern of what they call bone,

but it's laid out in this, like, floral type pattern. So, this causes Terry to kind of remember a lot of strange incidents from his past that goes back to when he was eight years old and even younger, you would talk about these experiences with what he called the monkey men. and they were these shadowy figures that would dart around his bedroom on certain nights. And when they would come out into the light from like the moon or something, they would have these, they looked very much like a short bipedal,

kind of like a gray, but their face was more monkey-like and their eyes were yellow. And they would always ask him, you know, come out and play with us and Terry wasn't having any of it so he just scream his scream his lungs out and this would happen for a good portion of his childhood and he would have a few UFO experiences there was one during the day when he was just outside playing with a bow and arrow and there's a UFO that just kind of comes over and hangs around him for a little while he lays back on the grass and watches it for a little bit and then it shoots

off. Then a couple months later, he has this, sees this series of lights that are coming through underneath his drapes and he shoots out of bed. He's kind of apathetic at first, which is something, you know, a lot of UFO witnesses kind of report being this like indifference. And he's been teased a lot by his sister and he kind of wants proof. So he can hear this low humming. sound also that's coming through with it. And it vibrates the entire room so much that a bottle plane that's on his dresser just falls off onto the floor. He's like, if it stays there, I know this is proof.

Oh, okay. And then he goes to the window and actually gets a look at this thing. And it's a, you know, your classic saucer UFO shooting out to these green and yellow lights and such. And he's like, I'll. sweeten the pot by messing up the drapes and that way i'll know this really happen so does that he wakes up the next morning and the way that he describes it is like the moment he hits his head hits the pillow it's like a a switch and then and then it's daylight and he just wakes up like he didn't

get any sleep at all and the model plane still on the floor drapes are still messed up so that's proof for him but um as he progresses he He has less sightings as his teenage years go by. And after he graduates from high school, he enlists in the Air Force. And he's basically an Army medic. That's what he specialized in. That's what he got training in. And he's stationed at Whiteman Air Force Base.

He's a medic there with a guy named Toby. He's an African-American man. and they become really great friends. And one night in 75, it's January, so it's really cold as hell out there. They get a call that they need to go retrieve a guy who fell off of a silo. And where they were is a missile silo. I believe they had nuclear ordinance there. Yeah, yes, sir.

Yeah, and they pull up and they see these military chivalry checkpoints and a bunch of people just standing around, which is really odd. And Toby gets out of the vehicle and he goes up and he's like, he comes back and says, you got to come check this out. And above this silo is this UFO. It's just hanging out there. And it's there for maybe like five more minutes before it shoots off. And they retrieve the guy.

So there's another UFO sighting for him. And then a couple years later, they both. have another UFO sighting. And it's around the same time in January. And a couple months later, Toby has this idea that they should go camping. Now, these are two city guys. They know Jack about camping. So it's just like one of those, like, impulse things that happens.

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And they all basically, and both of them basically kind of like begs steal or borrow what they need to go on this camping trip. Terry's going to bring his camera. He's going to take some nature shots and all that stuff. stuff and Toby's got his binoculars and, you know, they got a tent from somebody else and they got a bunch of hot dogs and stuff. And they picked this place called the Devil's Den, which is in northwest Arkansas. It's a state park. And it's, you know, it's got a history. There's some weird stuff gone on there. People have gone missing. It's a missing 401 kind of territory stuff. And it isn't long before their amateurism comes out.

So they pull in and they pick the spot where they're technically not supposed to be. It's illegal to camp where they're camping, but, you know, they didn't care. And instead of setting up their camp, they just go for a hike. Okay. They go for a hike. Yeah, mistake one. and they come back a little while later and yeah they'll set up the camp well they don't do that they just like you know zone out and pass out mistake too yeah for a few hours and they wake up in

the in the middle of the night it's dark out and yeah so they quickly set up camp their car isn't very far away and what they find is that most of the provisions that they had they didn't didn't bring with them. They forgot to bring with them. Okay. Sammature hour here and, um, but they set up their tent. They, they set up, uh, they'd get a fire going and they've got, they still got hot dogs and stuff that, uh, you know, make themselves an evening meal and they proclaim themselves like kings of the forest. It's kind of funny. Damn city, folk. Yeah. And, um, things start to get weird pretty quick after that. Uh, Terry,

notice is that the there's no wildlife sounds coming from anywhere there's no crickets there's no nothing the forest is gone completely silent and it's Toby that sees these three lights in the sky off on the I believe the western horizon kind of low definitely look a little too low to be stars but they they just stare at it and they kind of like you know pass it off that's nothing And then these stars start to move up over the horizon, up and over, and then they just come directly over their campsite. Now, these guys should be like shit in a brick, but they're basically looking up and they're amazed by it.

And they're at one point, and we know this is a mistake, and I want to make this very clear, you do not signal flashlights or signal UFOs with a flashlight. You just don't do it. Don't do it. Didn't end well for the Alagash guys. Didn't end well for these guys either. Yes.

Don't take that from the playbook of Stephen Greer, people. Jesus Christ. No, no. If you take anything away from Stephen Greer, it's just that he's fraudulent. Just let it go. But this UFO, after he flashes this flashlight three times,

it drops this white beam of light down that it's there for maybe. like 30 seconds and disappears and then boom there's a blue pencil thin light that just darts around their camp now i'm like freaking out here but they weren't they were pretty calm about it so that light disappears and then the UFO moves away that's pretty exciting yeah i don't i don't think i'd be able to sleep that night but they go to sleep right after you know um as as as you know any rational person I wouldn't do, but yeah. But it's Terry that wakes up what feels like a couple hours later.

And he sees this light that's flooding into their tent. And he can see Toby. He's kneeling by the flap to the tent. And he's like crying and he's looking out. And Terry goes to grab the flashlight and see what's going on out there. and Toby just bats him away and says, no, they're out there. And he can hear figures walking around out there. He can see this really bright light, and eventually his curiosity gets the better of him.

And he throws open the flap, and what he sees is this UFO. It's in this field not far from their campsite, taking up, like, the whole field, because it was that big. and he can see 10 to 15 short figures that are walking towards it. They're basically like the size of a child, and they walk into this white beam of light that's projecting down to it, and the way that he describes it, they just dissolved. So both the guys are kind of in this intense pain. They're very thirsty.

They didn't bring water with them, because, you know, we're... amateurs. Yeah. An amateur hours still, even through all this. And they make the decision very quickly to get the hell out of there. So they drive the hours. It's like, I believe it was like six hours away from where they were living. And everybody was surprised to see them back.

Terry's wife, Sheila, upon just seeing him, took him to the emergency room because he was in that bad of shape as he was running a third. fever of 104. His face was very puffy and his eyes were almost swollen shut. So, yeah, they ran him to the hospital. He was in there for a few days. While he was in there, he got a visit from a guy from the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. And we all know AFOCE. We know players from AFOC. We know who Rick Doty is. Oh, boy. He's involved with this shit. No, he's Not, but, you know, you can't, you can't not hear OSI and not think Rick Doty. Right.

And the only reason I use the word shit is because of that name. Yeah. I love him to death. I know he might even be listening to this. But, yeah, not to take away from this incident whatsoever by using the word shit. I apologize. Just when I hear Rick Doty, I get all fired up. I think a lot of people get fired up, but, you know, that's, that's to be.

expected. It really is. But they basically interview him. The guy, the agent Gregory, you know, because we're not used in full names here. This is shield, baby. Nick Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And sets up a tape recorder, starts interviewing and basically asks, you know, why did you come

back so quickly? And, you know, the basic standard stuff. And they were really harping on whether Terry had taken photos of anything. And Terry forgot his camera because, you know, the only thing I think they remembered was the tent, some hot dogs, and I believe Toby's binoculars. Okay, okay. The essentials. Yeah, but Terry was, he was an amateur photographer. He had a studio in his house, but he didn't.

bring the camera with him and just kept pressing him. But he's in the hospital for about three or four days. And when he gets out, he's reassigned to another unit where all he does is paints pieces of plywood. Okay. Wow. He paints these sheets of plywood over and over again. They're basically just giving them grunt work to keep them out of their hair and all that stuff. This happens a lot, man.

Like when military people have these encounters and UFOs, they send them different places in the world and give them menial tasks, hoping they won't start talking about it with other people. Like, get them alone. That's what you got to do. Get them alone. Yep. And I think it was like a couple days before he was set to be reassigned again,

and Agent Gregory comes back. And basically he forces, Terry to consent to hypnosis. Okay. Let's do that. So they explore the night in Devil's Den and what happened. And basically, Terry recounts being taken aboard this craft, standing in a line full of people that are waiting to undergo procedures.

And there's also this short, what he basically calls a hybrid woman standing with him, He recognizes her as being someone who has been with him his entire life with these experiences and such, like many abductees report. And he also reports walking by a wall of like aquarium tanks that had very strange reptilian-looking beings in them. He talked about how there were human crew on this ship that all wore these like brown cover. with an orange insignia on them. And they worked beside the short gray beings. And he eventually was brought to this one room where they performed a procedure on him and brought him back. And that's really the only insight into any of his abduction experiences that he has.

He never talks about exploring these monkey men encounters when he was a kid or anything like that. And after that, he continues to have these lifelong experiences. Eventually, he's reassigned to a unit where he's basically a medic again. Toby, he loses contact with him for a while, but he tells us in the book that Toby died a homeless man in the 90s, Michigan. Okay. Yeah. But fast forward to 2017 and Terry starts talking about his experiences. He starts appearing at a couple of cons. And after he starts doing that, he experiences this dramatic weight loss. Terry used to be kind of a big guy over 200 pounds. And nowadays, I think he weighs somewhere in the neighborhood of like 120 or something like that.

cow. Yeah. And... Extreme. Yeah. And one night, not long after he gave a presentation at a conference in, I believe, Houston, he woke up in his

living room across from sitting in his living room. He went to bed upstairs. But, yeah, he woke up sitting in the living room across from this woman that he's had these lifelong experiences with. And And she's wearing very human clothes along with a wig and some sunglasses.

And he kind of makes fun of her for a little bit for wearing the wig. But you know, you'll have that. She's trying. She's trying. She is trying. But, you know, he basically asks her questions about, you know, these beings, you know, being in his life for as long as they have. And basically, she says that if he talks, keeps to talking about his experience. experiences.

One, they're going to have to take the implants that are in his legs, which he didn't know he had two. He thought he only had one, but it turns out he had two. It's a two-for-one deal, yeah. It's a two-for-one deal, you know, on sale that week. They also said that the military would kill him, which hasn't happened because he's still alive. But, and they also basically said that they'd never see him again. So Terry made the decision to keep talking about it, and about a week later he woke up to incredible pain in his legs again. He had these like red kind of puncture marks on both of his legs.

And about a day later, there was a bruise that appeared on both legs that looked like that flower pattern that was seen on the x-ray in 2012. And that's pretty much where Terry's story leads you. It's interesting. It's kind of devoid of details at sometimes, but it's really intriguing. And it gives a lot of the conspiratorially minded people something to bite on, especially when he talks about being on the ship in 1977. Right. Wow. Yes.

Well, you know what? I was given the book by the publisher. that was working with him on getting this out to the public. And I've spoken to Terry, I think once through email. He is an extremely nice guy, very smart, very insightful. But this case is just, there's so many gaps where conspiracy people can fill those in. So I don't know, man. I don't know why I struggle with this one.

I'm going to be honest. There's a lot going on. but hopefully I can get them on to get some more detail. But wow, yeah, you did a good job with that one. I appreciate it, man. And I guess he's working on a second book. So maybe we'll get some more insight on those kind of details. I don't know.

Maybe, maybe, yeah. But, yeah, there's definitely, we need a little more. We need some more for me, Terry. If you're listening, please give us some more to work with here. Yep. Awesome. Well, Rob, coming to, today. We have these videos that came out, one of which is known as the gimbal video. And a lot of

researchers have been working on this lately trying to figure out when and where this happened. And they're pretty much landing on the East Coast, this gimbal video. If anyone's seen it, it's the one where the gun camera footage, where the craft seems to be rotating in mid-air. It's the one that I know Unidentified, the TV show uses as their main, what would you call it, like featured image, even though they doctored it a little, made it more saucer shaped. Yep. Anyways, I'm getting too detailed into the craft. The gimbal video, we think that this happened off of the USS Roosevelt in the early to mid-2000s. And even in the Middle East, this thing possibly may have been seen.

But you found something that happened with the USS Roosevelt that happened a while ago. So what is up with the USS Roosevelt? Why are they the ones to track all these UFOs? And what is this case he came across? Right. So the interesting thing about this USS Roosevelt, it's not the first USS Roosevelt. This is actually the second. It's a Nimitz class carrier, which is a more advanced carrier.

but before that there is the Essex class carrier USS Franklin D. Roosevelt. And basically, it has a history of UFO sightings going back to the early 50s. And it starts in September of 1952 with Operation Mainbrace, which was a NATO exercise that a lot of, there was like, I forget how many nations took part in it is probably about 10 or 12, but supposedly 85,000 like servicemen were a part of this exercise. And like from the start, they started to experience UFO activity. There were some that reported UFOs coming out of the water and flying over their heads.

Some of them just basic flybys of UFOs. But one of them was the U.S. as Franklin D. Roosevelt. And basically on September 20th, 1952, they were taking pictures of the area and they see this object

in the sky. It's in broad daylight and it just flies over their ship and they take pictures of it. They supposedly took three pictures of the thing. And it was just kind of, you know,

that's what it was. It was three pictures. It was interesting. though. Really interesting pictures. You can Google them. They're out there. I'd also like to note that the crewmen of this ship called this, the USS Franklin D. Roosevelt, swanky Frankie.

But the most dramatic report of UFOs comes from 1958. The Franklin Roosevelt was down in the Caribbean. It wasn't far from Cuba.

and they saw this light that was basically tailing their boat, and eventually it came speeding by, and it got so close to the boat that you could actually see the object, you could see windows on the thing, and you could see figures in the windows looking out. Wow, okay. And the object just hovered right there above the ship for maybe a minute, or two before it just disappeared.

And this report comes from a guy named Chester Grisinski. He was 18 years old at the time, but he kind of just basically tried to find anybody else that had seen this after it had gone down because there was a cover-up. The CIA came on board this ship investigating gambling. Really? Of all things. Okay. Yeah.

And, you know, they basically just told everybody to shut up about this. And, you know, it became this huge giant cover-up. And Chester, he basically, he tried to track down anybody that he could that remembered seeing this thing. Now, if you Google, it's, I just Googled Operation Main Brace UFO. and you go through the image search results. What you'll see is this. It's a sketch that somebody drew of, it's right to Chester Grisinski's back.

And above him, you can see like the tower of the carrier. And right next to the tower and slightly above it is this object. And they drew it to scale and everything. And it's a pretty great image. I love it. But yeah, I don't know. Apparently, according to Grisinski, there were like eight separate UFO incidents that the USS all throughout the 50s and 60s. And it was decommissioned in 1977.

That was when the Nimitz class, Franklin Roosevelt, was set sale. So apparently something about Franklin D. Roosevelt screams UFOs. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what it is, man. I mean, he was cool and all, but come on. I don't know. Well, I found that really fascinating because, again, the Roosevelt is becoming a buzzword now in the UFO community

because of all the activity with UFOs involved with it. So I was so happy to hear that you found that. And I'm also happy to know it wasn't the same ship because, my God, if there's ever been, like, UFO bait, now we know it's the USS Roosevelt. Just throw that thing out in the water. and you're going to get some UFOs. Yeah, pretty much.

You know, it's the bait that every euphologist needs. And it's kind of funny because when you read about the history of the first ship, in 77, they were in talks to actually keep it going. People were afraid that Jimmy Carter was just going to, you know, keep this thing going forever. So they basically said, no, we're taking it out of commission. They sold it to somebody for $2.1 million. and it was cracked.

Ah, damn it. Damn you, Carter. Damn Jimmy Carter. Oh, man. All right. We'll wrapping things up here, Rob. Take a good sip, man, because of your drink there, because this is what we're going to end with here.

You were recently on the Mad Scientist podcast with Chris Cogswell, a very good friend of both of ours. And this was a brutally honest conversation, man, about the UFO news coming out lately. So my big question to you is, where do you stand today on this mainstream coverage of UFOs? And what do you think is going on with to the stars, their new show? Give me what you got, man, because people are very divided. And this is really put a dent in the UFO community, both good and bad.

So what do you got, man? Be honest with us here. So I'm very skeptical these days. now. I've kind of been a little more, I've gotten a little more skeptical as time has gone on. And for me, there are things that

to the Stars Academy does or doesn't do, that kind of goes against it, that being a legitimate operation. Not to say that there aren't trying or stuff like that, but like, there's

a, if you're talking about science and UFOs, there are ways to do this. when you go on to the Two the Stars Academy website and you look at the videos you look at the gimbal video the Nimitz video the Go Fast video what you find on there is not an explanation of how they came to their conclusions what they tell you is this is what this is and this is what our conclusions are well how did you arrive at that and to give you a kind of an analogy if you're in math class in high school and you're in you're basically, this is basically to the Stars Academy writing down the answers without telling you how they got there. And that's a big problem for me because if, if the teacher hands that paper back, what's it going to say? What's it going to say? Show your work. Yeah, 65. Show your work. And I don't think to the Stars Academy is doing the best job of showing their work very well. I'm skeptical. Oh, man. How do I, how do I lay this out?

out, you know, in a concise way. I think... It's hard. It is hard, but I just don't know what the hell they're doing. I really don't know what the hell they're doing. And, like, they're giving you nuggets of information that they're tantalizing, but they ultimately don't lead to anything. Like, they announced the Adam Project last year.

What has come of that? Right. Nothing. Well, here's the other thing. You bring up a good point. We know for a fact that Louie. Elizondo, he's even stated this in the TV show, unidentified, that he knows more than what he can say on the show and what he can tell civilians. So you have this weird, like, purgatory where the investigator in charge of all this knows more than he's telling the public.

So that's a problem. Like, why should we listen or trust you when you know more than you're telling us? It's hard because I honestly think like he's a cool guy. I think he's doing some good work. And I do believe that he wants answers, but he's got answers and he can't tell us. That's a problem. And not only that, how many to the stars members are former government officials that can't say anything? Chris Mellon, Steve Justice.

Howl put off. He can't say crap about a lot of. things. I mean, a lot of them can't, and especially if a lot of these people are former Bass employees or are still Bass employees, they're not going to say anything. I kind of had high hopes,

but it's just like you're tempering this with non-disclosure agreements that you can't give anything up. And now you've got people like McWest on doing, you know, I think he's doing pretty good work. I can honestly say, I wasn't convinced by the GoFast video to begin with.

now I really don't think it is an UFO. I think it really is a balloon. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, I've thought that for a while now, too. But you're right. You know, we get blinded by the excitement that comes when this topic gets mainstream coverage. And when we have people like Tom DeLong, like, really, I respect the hell out of the guy for what he's doing. I honestly do. And I think, like, he's done some great work, and he's assembled an amazing team. but you always come back to this fact that all those people involved with To the Stars know more than what they're letting on. And that is a problem because we're getting this narrative from To the Stars.

Now, here's my thing too. And our good friend Jason McClellan always says, you don't have to listen to the Stars. Like they're one cog in this huge machine of this phenomenon. They clearly have an angle and that's military and that this is a threat and we need to be ready for it. So there you go right there. Like to the stars has been pretty up front. Even Tom DeLong saying, I want to paint a good picture of the military

industrial complex. And he said that from the very start. So anyone who argues that, he said that from the start. So there's that right there. But like we said, this stuff is only military and that's only a small fraction of

what's going on with these phenomena. Yeah, exactly. It cuts out like I would say 85 to 90% of the rest of this phenomenon it cuts out a lot and I feel

and I've always felt that when somebody controls the field of perception here because it always comes down to that you need to start looking other places not just at this one main body and their noble intentions

you start to look at other places which is why I will spend hours digging through old issues of flying saucer review. Those still have value. They're still valuable to us in what they tell us about UFOs. Like when Lou Elizondo is saying, well, there's a clear pattern of UFOs and military installations and nuclear installations. Like, Lou, we've known that for decades. No, shit, dude. Yeah.

Oh, okay. I'm going to, all right. event here, man. That last episode, first of all, I love seeing some of the witness they interviewed. Larry Gessner first came forward in my book, I must say that, I have to

defend this, in my book somewhere in the skies with his UFO encounter, to the stars claims this is the first time he's ever come forward. It's TV, I get it, I get it. But they went through the whole Rick Doty and Benowitz thing, which was interesting. And then, okay,

who is this mysterious general halt or um what was a base commander halt with the rendeltsum case we'd never heard of him before yeah i think it's a little offensive that they're covering the nuclear uh angle to all this when we've known this for so long look at faded giants look at all the work by hastings and all these guys out there and it's almost like a slap in the face that oh lou Elizondo suddenly made this connection. Come on, dude. It bothers me.

And like, what you find in this field right now is a lot of people trying to, like, and I'm not like discounting you because you definitely did talk to Larry first, but like, you're finding a lot of that, like, people's, you know, saying that we had these people along before you did. It's absolutely ridiculous. Like, what I want to know is why is nobody in terms of the. the David Fravor citing, why is nobody talking to Paco Chi Ricci? And I guarantee you, most people probably don't know who Paco Chi Ricci is or even know what I'm talking about. And like, I know that

Jeremy Corbell, God respect him, thinks that he was breaking that, uh, Favor story to begin with. Paco Chi Ricci broke that two years before he did. So, um, why is nobody talking to him? Yeah, again, it's all about perception and narrative. And, you know, I think I, you make a good point, though. The ego got the best to me when I saw the Larry Gessner case involved with this. I'm like, I was the first to break that. But I don't know that. Someone else may have interviewed Larry

long before that. But that's not what it's about, I think. You're right. We need to like keep digging, finding all these people. Look at like Dave Beattie and all these people he's working with to find all these people that were on the Roseville. It's amazing

the work that the UFO field is doing. Keith Basterfield. I mean, the the list is endless of the people who are doing way, way more work than to the Stars Academy. Right. And my big problem with them is that they're cutting the rest of us out. They're cutting us, the people that have done this research. So it's like, to the Stars Academy is like hitting the reset button. Why do we need to hit the reset button when we have literature from decades and decades that are saying the same things that you think are revelations now. Yeah. Yeah, it sucks, man. And at the same time, like, I understand you're bringing, presenting this to the mainstream who haven't been into all this

like we have. But like, you, like, use us. Ask us for health. Like, we're, we're all for you. I still am a big fan of what they're doing, bringing this to the mainstream, trying to de-stigmatize the phenomena and the topic. But at the same time, like, Tom DeLong from the beginning told the UFO community, read between the lines, guys. Like, you know what I'm really trying to get here. Well, you're not showing that, man, because you've completely cut out the entire UFO community. And we were the ones defending you from the start.

Right. And, like, look at the UFO community now and how things are coming back. Yeah. Things are cyclical again. Why are we talking about some goddamn alien autopsy video again that we know is not real? Don't get me started.

Like, why are we, And some topics are worth revisiting, but there are topics that nobody has even bothered to cover, which is what I love to do. When I first, like the first appearance I ever made on this podcast, and we talked about the men in black. I was like, I really want to dig into this stuff. And I looked at the Herbert Hopkins encounter, and I'm like, this is really strange. What the hell was he looking into? Because it felt like it was a question nobody had asked. Yeah.

So I find it in this book and I'm like, why is nobody talking about this case? It literally happened like two weeks before Travis Walton was abducted. And it's far more insane than Travis Walton's story. Why is nobody talking about this? And it's those stories that really they need to be told because they've never really been told before. They've existed in the annals of these UFO journals that sometimes people pay. up and read through and, you know, if you got them lying around. There's the whole, like, internet archive.

Like, if you go to, it's either New Fork or New Forres, it's really confusing at a certain time. New Forrest is in Canada, I believe. Yeah. There's a database of issues of Flying Sauce Review from the time it started in the 50s up until it folded in the early 2000s. They're all on there. Go read through them.

There's some crazy cases in there. There are the, the, the, some of the bonus case, bonus episodes that I've done have come from these cases. There's, everybody talks about the Mothman sightings and they don't talk about this one case from, uh, as I believe South Carolina, Gaffney. Mm-hmm. Of these two cops, they were out one night during this meteor shower. And they were patrolling.

an area it was an abandoned area and they see this UFO and it just comes straight down in front of their car and this really short being gets out and it starts asking them questions what he talks about that case is a case

that John Keel reported and it's like why is that not talked about when people talk about the Muffman? Yeah you see and it's it's those yeah it's those cases that like God I find more value in them than I do

in a lot of what to the start Academy is doing and I know that's going to upset a lot of people I just don't care anymore. Yep. I don't either man. There's no time for it and I've been sort of taken to task with Ryan, like make a decision. Are you for it or are you against it? Look, I wrote a shining review of the first episode of Unidentified because I thought it was fucking slick and beautiful and insightful. And it was great. Again, it was for a new audience. So that's great. But as the show has going on. I get what they're doing. It's just, it's a recycling of everything we are ready know. That's not to say that they have not made strides and some progression in terms of the

military acknowledging this or this or that. But at the same time, dude, it's the UFO researchers working in the shadows that are really doing the hard work. So I think we have to keep that in mind. do not stop what you're doing. The Keith Basterfield's out there, the Dave Beatties, everyone out there who's doing that leg work, and to the stars kind of takes away from that, in my opinion. Just keep doing your work. Yeah, and I got to say, God bless John Greenwald for doing what he is doing, because... He took a bashing.

He did, he is taken a bashing, he has done it well, and he is doing honest work, you know, and like, I'll be honest, I have never seen Alejandro Rojas as angry as he was. Oh, my God. That dude never gets angry. No, I've never seen Alejandro Rojas angry at all. And I was watching that Twitter thread, and I'm like, oh, my God. Really? Hey, if anything, this whole thing that's happened in the past couple years has made UFO researchers passionate again.

And we lost that for a long time. So you know what? While it might be divisive, it's also really, really getting our flames going. So I hope we can use that passion, work together to find answers. Because I agree with a lot of what the young guns are doing. I agree a lot with what people like John Greenwald are doing. And we are getting some incredible journalism coming out of Tyler Rokeway, Alejandro, John Greenwald. They're all doing amazing work.

So, you know what? if that's what it comes down to, the way that this topic is covered, I want to read everything that all of those people have to say. Because at the end of the day, we are all in this together. We're just trying to find answers. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, if people can use to the Stars Academy as a gateway drug, more power to you.

If it pushes you to look into this stuff more, then that's great. Yeah. That's fantastic. Oh, yeah, man. TTSA is the marijuana to the cocaine. Yeah. Like, I like to think of myself as the cocaine right now. Yeah, you come to my podcast.

You're getting the cocaine. You are getting it. Yeah. The Our Strange Cocaine podcast. Yeah, it's coming to you. Well, speaking of that, dude, wrapping things up here. You're back. The show is back.

I can't believe it. We were all waiting so, so patiently. But you are back in the floodgates have opened, new music. new formatting. What can we expect moving forward with the Our Strange Skies podcast? What are you going to be covering? So you're going to get, you're going to get Lonnie Zamora. We're finally, we're finally batting down the hatches. Probably get Lonnie Zamora in around September. Okay. We're finishing up the final portions of the research. We're going to do a deep dive into Roswell. We're going to do, we're going to cover the timeline. We're going to cover the theories. We're going to

cover Philip J. Corsos, crazy crap, all that good stuff. We're going to Brazil. We're going to be talking about Brazil. We're going to be talking about, man, so many great things coming up. Wow. That's awesome, dude. Well, I, for one, can say I'm so happy you're back. A vacation well-needed from the research that you've done. So it's good to see you're coming back in full force. and where can we find the show and everything you're up to? So if you want to, you know, stalk me on the internet, I'm out there on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, search for our strange skies. You can listen to the podcast anywhere at this point. Just search for us. And we've got a bad catalog, but we're coming strong. We're telling the great stories, the great stories that need to be told.

Absolutely. And what's the Patreon? too. Yes. Patreon.com slash Our Strange Skies at the $5 a month level. You get some great

bonus episodes. That's kind of where we put our meltdowns, which if you don't know what a meltdown is, it's basically where myself

and some guests watch really weird UFO documentaries and movies and stuff like that and then we just tear it apart.

That's fun. It's fun. We recently watched UFOs, the best evidence ever one and two with the ever, ever, the greatest of the 90s, Jonathan Frakes. Yes. So we, we ripped into the UFO footage in that. It was fun. I remember those, man. There were some freaky-looking UFOs in there, mostly balloons, but some of them were pretty astounding. Yeah, some of them were, I think we. I think we found three of them that were good in that thing, but you know what? You'll get hours of entertainment, hours of entertainment.

Oh, Jonathan Franks, you are sorely missed in the UFO community. Alien autopsy, too, right? Yes, absolutely, alien autopsy. Yeah. He was all over the place in the 90s, man. He was doing that. He, uh, what the heck was that other show that he had? Oh, yeah.

Um, beyond belief. Yes. Yep. That was a fun one. So great. So great. I love it, man. Well, hey, I can't thank you enough for kicking back a root beer with me today here on UFO Happy Hour.

These are always my favorite episodes. So thank you so much, Rob Christofferson, for coming back on somewhere in the skies. Thanks for having me again, man. It's always a blast. And happy World UFO Day. Yeah. This is produced by Third Kind Productions in association with the Entertainment One Podcast Network. To learn more, visit.

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