Somewhere in the Skies - UFO Happy Hour: Volume Six

Episode Date: March 22, 2021

On episode 205 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES... He's back! Rob Kristoffersen of the Our Strange Skies podcast returns for yet another volume of UFO Happy Hour. Like a phoenix rising from the ashes, Kristoffersen joins us to discuss a handful of extraordinary UFO encounters in the place they both call home; New York. From high-speed fighter jet pursuits of aerial phenomena to landings, crashes, and close encounters. Want an ice-cream cone-shaped UFO messing around with your nuclear reactor? We've got that case covered, too! It's all here. And it's all from the Empire State. Pull up a bar stool, grab a beverage of choice, and join the guys for another fun-filled volume of UFO Happy Hour. Subscribe and listen to Our Strange Skies at: https://audioboom.com/channels/5041421 Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan's Book by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Episode edited by Jane Palomera Moore Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode is brought to you by Netflix. Most valuable promotions in Netflix are hosting a blockbuster triple headliner Saturday, May 16th. Rhonda Rousey returns to face fellow woman's MMA pioneer Gina Carano in the main event. Plus co-main's Nate Diaz versus Mike Perry. And the best heavyweight in the world, Frances Ngano versus Felipe Lenz. Watch Rhonda Rousey versus Gina Carrano, live only on Netflix. Saturday, May 16th at 9 p.m. Eastern Center time, 6 p.m. Pacific time. A crispy chicken sandwich from 7-Eleven, people always call me loud.

And I'm like, yeah, I know. I'm crispy. Did you expect me to whisper? If you want quiet, go eat some soup and reflect. Like, I know I'm a handful. I'm bold, I'm juicy. Throw some pickles and barbecue sauce on me, and baby, I'm a whole meal. And with seven rewards, I'm just $4.

Quiet. No. Krispy, saucy, and $4? Very. Only at 711. Valley through 62326, participating stores only while supplies lastly out for full terms. What's up guys, Ryan Sprague here, and I'm just dropping in to remind you about our Patreon campaign.

Somewhere in the skies is always free to consume, but it's not free to create. So if you want to help the show on a monthly basis, we have tons of rewards for you in return, including shoutouts on the show and website, bonus content and episodes, and free merge. Want to be my guest or pick a topic for the show? You can do that too. So if you'd like to learn more and to help support the show, visit Patreon. patreon.com slash somewhere skies. Thank you and keep looking up. This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan's bread.

All right, guys, welcome to a very special episode of Somewhere in the Skies, a voice you haven't heard in quite some time. So without further ado, you know what time it is. It is a UFO happy hour. And with me today is the one, the only Rob Christofferson of the hour. Strange Skies podcast, which is back. Welcome, Rob. Thanks, man. Holy God. It's so weird doing these again. It's like, you know, you talk to people, you're talking about UFOs and you're like, you swore. You were never going to talk about them again. And then they somehow like shoot down that tractor beam into my brain cavity and I'm back here talking about them again. We got you back. No, you're so right, man. This is a field of study that, um,

pushes you away and and draws you back in. It's one of the most toxic relationships you ever have. I can guarantee you that much. God, is it, man. My God, it's just you come across some stuff that you don't want to, you know, even acknowledge exists within this community. And then, yeah, it somehow manages to just be like, but why haven't we solved this damn thing yet?

Come on. Right. It is. It's frustrating. And, you know, I would think the last time we, spoke was when you came on to do our Unsolved Mysteries special, which is still one of the most downloaded two-parter things I've done in a long time. So I think that was right around when you took your break. So I love, you know, before we start here with what we're going to be

talking about tonight, and that's going to be New York UFOs, which I'm so happy about. What, what made you come back with our strange skies and maybe tell us a little about your return, your first episode back, if you don't mind. Yeah. It just seemed like I kept getting messages after I shut down, and I'd been shut down for four, five, six months somewhere around there, and I just kept getting these messages, and people just kept commenting and be like, you know, we miss you and we hope you're doing good and all this stuff.

And with UFOs, you just kind of catch the bug. You ride a wave, whether it's on a certain case, whether it's on a certain theory, whether it's stimulated by a book. You are captured by this subject. And if you're not, it's just not meant for you. But driven by that, by, I get nostalgic for UFOs for some reason. And I don't really know what that is. Maybe it's like some romanticized thing that I have in my head that some intelligence in this universe, in this wherever the hell they come from. They have this knack for wanting to communicate with people.

They do it incredibly terribly terribly or incredibly vague ways. And they leave us with mystery. So armed with that, I came back. I was right before New Year's Eve and New Year's is kind of an anniversary for us because that's when we dropped the first episode in 2017 and I figured, you know, if you're going to put them up, why not commemorate it with an anniversary? So put them back up and then I got the itch to do new episodes. And we just dropped one a few weeks ago. I recorded it with Robin Mark from the Cryptonaut podcast, and it was on the M.R.V. Elf encounter of 1970, this really strange UFO and humanoid encounter that these two skiers had in Finland in 1970. and just the

strangeness of the entire experience and the strangeness that one of the original witnesses reported after it and it is just, it's out there and like the episode, it'll have you laughing quite a bit. You're going to get some of the

narrative elements that I have in the solo episodes that I do and then you're going to laugh and there's a lot of statements I didn't think I'd be saying on an episode like that. But, you know, that happens from time to time. Yes, it does. Absolutely, man. What a hell of a way to come back to with such a weird, weird strange case.

So, again, I think I speak for a lot of my listeners and many people out there. We're so happy to have you back. It's a interesting time for UFOs heading into this new year with everything going on with the UAP task force and, you know, this bill or this request within this bill about making the findings public. And maybe I'll get your thoughts on that a little bit later. But like I said, we're here today to talk about New York UFOs. Both you and I live in New York State. I grew up pretty close to where you are, actually. And we have the go-toes in New York. You know, Whitley Streber, we've got the Linda Napolitano, Brooklyn Bridge incident,

which a lot of people know about, the Hudson Valley Wave, obviously. But I remember you and I kind of sitting down and racking our brains being like, what else can we deliver to the world of UFOs here in New York State? And it's hard, man. It's hard to find anything that's worth really talking about and you know that's not just some lights in the sky and lo and behold i knew you would do it you brought three unique cases to the table i've got a couple as well so we're going to run through those tonight um but yeah how was it digging up new york stories new york stories are tough and and there are these blog posts that have like emerged in the last few years and it always starts with something like such and such and such

state accounts for so many UFO sightings or this state has had so many more UFO sightings this year and things like that and like reported cases and cases that are just like talked about in New York are very little, very infrequent. A lot of the cases that I'm bringing to the table are all old there from the 50s and the 60s, but they were significant during their time, especially in the 50s when Donald Kehoe was kind of the guy really putting UFOs in the mainstream and like trying to combat UFO secrecy. And like you can see a lot of a lot of activists these days. You can see the Donald Kehoe in them, which I can appreciate to a certain extent. But man, New York just doesn't, there aren't enough cases that are known and people need to know these cases, you know.

Yeah, and why do you think that is? I mean, for me, I go to the whole idea of like, yeah, there's a ton of light pollution, at least here in New York City. So you don't hear a lot of cases out of New York City specifically, unless it's a misidentification at our airports. I mean, you throw up one of those apps where you can see every flight above you here, dude, and it's insane. It's like raining airplanes left and right. And like you said, a lot of these cases seems to be from, from decades ago. The two I'm bringing forth are in the 60s and 80s as well. But is it that? Is it the fact that there's not a lot of researchers here on the East Coast even? A lot of the people are always out west or down south or in the Midwest or Philadelphia. But you don't hear a lot of people coming out in New York. No, you don't. And I think a lot of that is just, I think the area has to do with it. And, like, New York is just one of the most light-polluted states there is. I am fortunate and live in one of the, you know, least light-polluted areas. We, the Adirondiac Park is one of the best places to, you know, look up at the stars because they're really, you're pretty well isolated. You don't have a lot of big cities around here.

And if you do, they're generally less than 100,000 people that live there. So I figure there should be more. UFO sightings coming from the Adirondex, but unfortunately, there aren't, which is unfortunate. But, you know, I definitely just think that the research is not being done. I don't think that the investigations are really happening here, which, you know, I can kind of understand. And to be completely honest, I don't think, like, some agencies are doing their best to do it and that's because it's a their volunteer agencies you know they they do what they can with their spare time but um the dedicated investigators and we've talked about this before they're not there anymore

and it's i think it largely has to do with the fact that those investigators kind of made a living reporting on these things and and submitting these stories to UFO journals and other you know strange magazines and stuff of the time, but we don't really have that anymore. So. Yeah. The days of, you're right, all these

like diamond nickel UFO magazines that came out with the weirdest stories. We don't have them anymore. I mean, God, this is awesome. This is something we could bring up. The Weekly World News is coming back. Yes.

Isn't that awesome? them. They did a Kickstarter, and they, like, they reached their goal in, I think, like, 24 hours. So we're going to get more Bat Boy. We're going to get more, you know, I'm pregnant with Bill Clinton's alien human hybrid baby. I can't wait, man. So I think you're right. I think those days of, like, the John Keels going all over the country and in meeting and investigating and writing for pulp magazines or Playboy or what have you. they're kind of over. We live in a whole new digital world

where that's just not what's happening. But let's stay on the positive side. Let's highlight these awesome stories that we did find about New York UFOs. Do you want to go first, whichever one you want to start with in? Lots of places can expose you to identity theft. Oh, no. That's why LifeLock monitors hundreds of millions of data points a second

for threats to your identity, which is way more than anyone can do on their own. If we find anything suspicious, like new loans or changes to your financial accounts, we alert you right away. All through text, phone, email, or the LifeLock app. Get the alerts that could make all the difference. Save up to 40% your first year at LifeLock.com slash special offer. Terms apply. The Walesville, New York UFO incident.

One of the most infamous cases, New York cases, that was a highlight for, Donald Kehoe and in the Blue Book files. It happened on July 1st, 1954, between the hours of 6th and 10 p.m. The calls started coming into Rome, New York's Military Depot, and Rome, New York is, it's in central New York. It's not too far from where you grew up. So, and it was alleged that over a thousand calls were made that night to the Utica Press. as well. And people were reporting a strange object. They compared it to like a silvery, like illuminated

golf ball. And it was flying over central New York for about four hours. And, you know, aside from the numerous eyewitnesses that saw this on the ground, back in the day, there was an airline company called Mohawk Airlines. And right. I remember. Yeah. They, you know, flew, uh, mostly with in the state, but there was one pilot that noted at 20,000 feet, he saw it just an extremely bright object that was flying not far from his plane. But what's interesting and what was reported in the Blue Book files is that the officer in charge at Griffiths Air Force Base, which back in the day was one of the most active bases in New York State, they said that in their files, it was a balloon. But the officer in charge said that if the object returned the next day,

that he would send out a plane to investigate it. So on July 2nd, the next day at about 11 in the morning, the Air Force scrambles an F-94C Starfire Jet. It's piloted by Lieutenant William E. Atkins and Lieutenant Henry F. Cowden. And soon after takeoff, and it wasn't exactly clear as to why they were dispatched in the first place, they were sent to intercept a target at about 10,000 feet. And when they arrived at the location, what they claimed is that they saw a Douglas C-47 military transport plane. And then they were sent, allegedly sent back. at least that's what the files initially said.

But what the pilot claimed was that they were sent to go look at another target. And they were claiming that this target was a UFO. They didn't know exactly what it was. But as they went to investigate this second target, their cockpit immediately started to get hotter. And there was a sensor that went off. claiming that there was a fire in the cabin. So, uh, the two men, Atkins and Cowden,

ended up abandoning their plane. And it crashed into the town of Walesville. And it killed four people in the process. A man named, uh, yeah, a man named Stanley Phillips, his wife Florence and their son Gary. They were actually just sitting in their car, uh, when they, uh, when the plane came down. And there was a woman,

uh, Doris Monroe, who was inside her home and was killed at the time. So, yeah, it's, it's, the story gets legs the next day when Atkins starts making claims that, um, what was being reported, uh, was not actually what had happened. And he maintains that they noticed, a silvery colored objects in the air. It's unclear that there's like so much muddying in this account because they're saying, oh,

well, they went in and they investigated the C-47. And then they were just sent back. While he's saying that, well, we were sent to investigate a UFO. Okay, so you've got that discrepancy there.

But when they investigated the plane, they found that, um, the, military claim that it was caused by a faulty fire detector circuit. But when they examined the plane, it didn't seem to be malfunctioning at all. There was no evidence of smoke or oil in the cockpit anywhere. And then they started to blame the pilot at that point and saying that he didn't recognize

a normal change of temperature in the cockpit, which just, it screams bullshit to me because Like a fire sensor is not going to go off for just like a sudden change like that. That just seems really dumb. But the military just kept muddying up the waters here. And they were just saying, oh, well, when the plane turned around, you know, that's when this malfunction just started to happen. There's just so much confusion around this case. And the Air Force just kind of just kept changing its mind as to what they were. wanted to label it as.

But to me, you don't scramble a jet fighter to investigate a military transport plane. Right. Like, that just doesn't make sense to me, but it just seemed like the military did their best to downplay whatever the heck this was. And then in the process, four people were killed. It's just a crazy, crazy case. And it was one that, you know, Donald. with Kehoe cited as like a major cover-up in the Blue Book files and for the Air Force at large.

Yeah. And, you know, Kehoe was all about the, you know, the cover-up. And I mean, again, when four people die from a, you know, I'm possibly malfunctioning plane from a UFO, that screams, yeah, there's going to be a cover-up. I hope those families were at least, you know, compensated. or something for all of this. But can you think of any cases, Rob? I'm trying to think off the top of my head where, like, something like this happened. There was a...

We hear about instrumentation, failing, you know, all the time with UFO cases and pilots, but, like, literally heating up the cockpit and, like, trying to bake these guys from within. It's crazy. Yeah, it's not something often reported. there are instances, you know, or UFOs allegedly, you know, cause certain effects like the coin helicopter case, the UFO, at least according to, you know, Coin and the other members of the crew, allegedly, you know, that thing, that UFO moved their plane up like 2,000 feet or something

like that. It was kind of crazy. There are those strange instances where it just seems like UFOs mess with, the instrumentation in the cockpit of some planes, but nothing like this. Right. The one that's going to bite for me is the Carlos Delos Santos case, where the UFO literally like crashed into his plane and then was kind of like, oh, shit, we got to help him. So they, like, helped guide him to safety after that. I love hearing when they, you know, when the aliens or the intelligence beyond the UFO

messes up and then has to. self-correct and help after that. It's always great to hear things like that. Yeah, and you know, and sometimes it's a Travis Walton kind of case where stupidly got out of a truck and you got shot with a beam of light. And allegedly, those aliens are just trying to fix you. And you got confrontational, buddy. You got a little confrontational. That's the redneck coming out. That's his fault, you know. That is completely his fault. He would say the same damn thing. Yeah. Wasn't he a boxer, too, from

what I remember. He was a scrapper, yeah. He was definitely a scrapper back in the day. Travis Walton, before the UFO experience, definitely a little more daring than I think he was after it. Yeah, absolutely. For sure, man. Well, hey, that's a tragedy with those four people dying. Let me try to lighten things up maybe a little bit over here. I've got an interesting one. The Cherry Creek, New York UFO Landing. This happened back in August of 1965. It was investigated by NYCAP, state police, and the local Air Force Base. So this occurred near the William Butcher Dairy Farm near Cherry Creek, New York,

and it involved three members of the butcher family and a fourth witness. And I'm just going to read a little from the report here. So at 8.20 p.m. on August 19th, Harold Butcher, 16, was operating a milking machine in a dairy barn housing 17 cows. There was a portable radio on the wall that was turned to a newscast. And all of a sudden, this static like interference drowned everything out. And the tractor, which ran the milking machine, abruptly stopped. And a moment later, a Holstein Bowl, secured outside began to bellow and pull at a steel bar to which it was chained to. So there's a lot of shit going on for this young butcher boy. And he runs to a window and he sees a large elliptical object near the ground, a fourth of a mile away. And there is a reddish vapor that could be seen underneath this thing. And he heard a steady beep, beep, beep sort of sound.

and the UFO, as we'll coin it, was on the ground only for a few seconds, then it shot straight up and it disappeared into the clouds. So when the other witnesses came out after Harold Butcher told them was yelling and screaming, they noticed a strange odor and also a greenish glow in the clouds where the UFO had vanished. So meantime, it was found that the bull had bent the steel bar in an effort to give, loose. So half an hour later, when the craft reappeared, actually, it starts circling the dairy farm. So Mrs. Butcher, she calls the state police. And two troopers come. They investigate. They notify the local air force. So then the next day, after the UFO that was circling left again, the next day, Captain James Dorsey, operations officer, he arrived. with technicians, and they examine the ground, and they found an odd purplish liquid substance that was discovered at several places. Small, unexplained marks, two inches wide, two inches apart,

were also found, and along with patches of singed grass and foliage. So, after the Air Force team left, NYCAP members showed up, and they obtained samples of this substance, and they were studied at a local chemical place, and using spectrographic analysis, it showed that the main elements of the liquid to be aluminum, iron, and silicon. Some phosphorus was found in the weed samples, which the analyst said might cause a phosphate smell, explaining the odor. Okay. So, on the night following the Cherry Creek incident, State Trooper Richard Ward, a few

miles from this area. He watched an object with eight circular lights in line flying twice as fast as a jet. It emitted a faint, unfamiliar purring sound. And then John Maxwell of the NICAP, New York subcommittee, he carefully checked the Cherry Creek site and questioned the witnesses. And on the basis of present evidence, they believed this entire thing to be completely genuine. It wasn't a hoax. They weren't making it up. They didn't misidentify something. And yeah, this is pretty crazy, man. The animal reactions during this whole thing were really interesting. The people on the farm said they'd never seen any of the animals act like this before.

Oh, this too. After the object that circled the dairy farm after it disappeared out of sight, it actually left a sonic boom. So whatever it was, that thing was like, what, mock? Yeah. Three, five, I don't know. Pretty, pretty crazy. And then also physiological effects, the kid who first saw it, Harold, him and his younger sister after this whole event, they had really upset stomachs. And the cows, now this is the most important part about the cows were giving less than normal amounts of milk after being milk.

Oh, man. I don't know, man. What is going on here? You know, it's making people sick. It's got sonic booms. It's light emanating out of it. And the cows ain't milking like they used to. So, yeah, that is the Cherry Creek landing of 1965.

That's, damn. Who is on the exopolitical, lawyer that we can get, you know, in touch to get some compensation for these cows that aren't putting out as much milk as they used to be. That's a problem. That's a problem right there. I think we got a phone either Stephen Bassett or Danny Sheehan, I think, is one of the lawyers, right? Yeah. Yeah. Get them on the case. Well, I hope the dairy farm is doing okay if it's still around. God, if they're still around now, that'd be amazing. Right. But yeah, pretty interesting case. a UFO landing in New York that I'd never heard of before.

Yeah, that's new to me, man. I had never heard of that one either. And like, that's just, there's, there's just like a lot of, you know, it's a, it's a very fascinating CET2 case. You got some physical evidence. You got some animals just going nuts. Man, that's, that's the good stuff right there. That's the good stuff.

Yeah, that ain't no New York City. That is the farmland. of Central and or upstate New York for sure. I mean, where are the aliens going to land in New York City? Like, the best that they could do is North Bergen, New Jersey in 1975. George O'Barski saw that thing. He wasn't thrilled, you know? Oh, my God.

Yelp. Oh, yeah, man. I remember, I think you brought that up in a UFO happy hour. That's a great case. I highly suggest people go check that one out as well. What a name. I love it. I love it.

Was that the one on the playground? It was in, it was in this like a large park. Okay. It's named after a boxer. I can't remember his name. But yeah, it was like in this

kind of like tree shaded section, but like what became so fascinating about it is like, not only did George O'Barski see these 10 aliens get out of this UFO and start collecting. soil samples, there were eyewitnesses that were able to corroborate it from the apartment building across the street called the Stonehenge. And it, I am, it's kind of one of my, like, bucket list items to stay for a night in that apartment building because it looks really nice. Yeah. It's got really great views. And, you know, why wouldn't you want to stay in an apartment building

that had a notorious UFO incident happen across the street. I mean... Exactly. I guess, hey, it's never too late to move, man. The prices here in New York are insane, so maybe I'll have to make it over there myself. But I guess let's move on to this next one you got for us. This is a UFO pursuit case, right?

The Raymond Brian UFO Pursuit. Two years after my first one on April 8th, 1956. At 10.15 p.m., American Airlines flight 775 departed Albany heading for Buffalo. When the plane reached Schenectady, Captain Raymond E. Ryan and First Officer William Neff spotted this white light. It was a couple of miles away from their position, but they decided to change course to avoid, you know, an in-air collision. And when they did, This light immediately turned 90 degrees and headed straight for their airliner at speeds that they guessed was about 900 miles an hour. It was, uh, it was booking it.

Ooh. Hey guys, Ryan Sprague here. And whether I'm researching, working on the podcast, or skywatching for my roof late at night, I need something to keep me awake, alert, and ready to tackle the mysteries in our skies. That's why I'm so excited to announce the launch of. the official Somewhere in the Sky's coffee. That's right, we've got our own coffee roast. Black Triangle Coffee is a veteran-owned small-batch coffee roaster out of Santan Valley, Arizona. As a coffee fiend and former specialty coffee barista, I've been working very closely with owner and head roaster, Andrew Lowe, to create the perfect blend to reflect somewhere in the skies.

Our beans are sourced from local farms off the shores of Lake Kivu. This Rwandan coffee bean is full-bodied with tastes of red apple, hibiscus, dried fig, sweet orange, and cocoa. It's bold, it's dark, and it is sure to keep you running on all cylinders. While you listen to the podcast, hunt down UFOs, or if you're on the run from the men in black. So help support Black Triangle Coffee by ordering the Somewhere in the Skies roast today. Listeners of Somewhere in the Skies get an exclusive discount right now by using the promo code SITS Pod at checkout. That's SITS Pod. To order, head on over to blacktrianglecoffee.com.

Remember, keep your feet on the ground, but never stop searching or drinking somewhere in the skies. Ryan radioed into Griffiths Air Force Base to report this object, which they confirmed to be tracking on radar at the time. And in response, they scrambled two jets. But what's interesting here is that Griffith Air Force Base said, change course, pursue this thing. And Ryan was there for it. So he immediately changed course. and he kept up with it as best as he could. He pursued it up until Lake Ontario,

at which point he actually turned back around and headed for Syracuse. But when he ultimately landed in Buffalo, Ryan and Neff reported their story to the Buffalo Evening News, who ran it in the papers on April 10th. So Donald Kehoe pursued this story, and when he got his hands on the official civil aviation authority report, it told a much different story. It stated that Ryan did see a mysterious light,

but that he hadn't actually changed course and pursued the object. Ryan himself recanted his story not long after, but on April 16, 1956, he appeared on a Toronto talk show called Meet the Millers, in which he attested to Griffith's orders to pursue. saying, quote, Griffiths asked us our next point of landing and to identify the aircraft. I told them Syracuse and identified the flight number. They told us, abandoned that next landing temporarily. Maintain your course in altitude.

We're sending two jets to intercept the object. Despite this admission, flight logs appeared to contradict Ryan's words, and Kehoe cited this case as a major Air Force cover up. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. But I think, you know, Ryan probably backed down because, you know, the civil aviation authority is going to rule on this and say, oh, you're crazy. You can't, you can't fly anymore and stuff like that.

But this is another one of those big cases for NICAP back in the day in which to try and stimulate the congressman to hold an official hearing about this. this was one of the cases that they presented and claimed that it was a giant cover-up and you know very well could have been I don't doubt him it's just there's always in these cases from Blue Book history

when something really strange happens it's always muddied up in the files like the cover-up is not denial it's let's just confuse the hell out of you Right. That's the easiest way to do it. Exactly.

Yeah. It seems to be a way to muddy the waters and get everyone on different pages. And then, yeah, I mean, you look at something like, let's take this story that came out maybe a month ago where John Greenwald over at the Black Fault, you know, there was all these headlines that the CIA had dumped all their files on UFOs finally to the public. when in reality, no, these had all been accessible for a really long time. But what they did is the way that John originally got him, they sent the dude to CD-ROM and they made it as hard as possible to either read these files or, you know, just there was no way to really search through them, like in any logical way. So they would make it as hard as possible for people like John or you have. researchers to make sense of any of these things. So let's give John, you know, maybe a little UFO case here.

And then let's give him this thing. We found a memo about missing Coke bottles within one of the departments at the CIA. And if those Coke bottles aren't returned, we're going to get rid of the Coke vending machine. So, like, it's crazy, man. Like, they just, they gave him all of this stuff in hopes that he would kind of just give up on it. But what does he do? he literally scans every single file he got, puts it into a searchable PDF format of some kind. And now you can say, like, I want to go to this year of the CIA files.

Here's everything. I want to look for cylindrical objects. Here's everything. So, yeah, man, I think you're right. I think they will do anything they can to make the stories conflict, for sure. And it seems in this case, with a lot of these New York cases, it all ties back to Griffiths, Air Force. space, right? It's pretty crazy.

Yeah, which now is like, it's a public airfield. It was, I think it was shut down back in the mid-90s or whatever, but yeah, it's, Griffith seemed to be like the central hub that was tracking, you know,

all air traffic within New York at the time. And it was kind of in like the central location to do it. Because, like, Rome, New York is basically, you know, smack dab right in the middle of New York, which is, you know, as states go it's very strangely shaped but um it's uh you know it's uh they probably did a fair amount of uh tracking of UFOs back in the day and uh down playing reports because uh there there are a number of cases from new york uh in the blue book files that were marked as um unidentified

so you know there's probably more jims in there if you can track down all the information. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and if I'm not mistaken, I think, you know, a lot of people know about Gary McKinnon, the guy who hacked for UFO info. But the predecessor before him, another guy, I think in Wales, Matthew Bevin, when he was hacking into stuff trying to find UFO info like a decade before McKinnon, I think Griffiths Air Force Base is one of the places that he hacked into and found stuff.

So something's going on, man. Something is definitely going on. Yep. Yeah, for sure. Cool. Well, that was a good one, man. I'm glad you were able to dig that one up. Here's my next one. And this actually comes out of the book Night Siege by Philip and Brogno, Bob Pratt,

and, of course, famed J. Allen Heineck about the famous, like we mentioned, Hudson, Valley UFO wave. But this happened kind of right before or maybe in the middle of it. The Indian Point Nuclear Reactor Incident. So there's this place called Indian Point Reactor. It's a nuclear site in New York. And this brings us back to 1984 on July 24th, Indian Point Energy. And it's a three-unit nuclear power plant station. There we go. Located in Buchanan, New York, right off the Hudson River. And so on this night, a security guard, he gets on the radio, and he alerts the other personnel that he had cited something that looked like in, quote, ice cream cone over reactor three at the site, which, mind you, was the only active reactor at the time. So, of course, this is where a UFO is going to be cited over the one

active reactor. So of course, they're freaking out. And he starts getting all the other security on the line and saying, is anyone seeing this? Anyone seeing this? And another guy says that he did see it, but it looked boomerang shaped to him. And this thing, it's just chilling like a 300 feet above this reactor. And they said it was massive, dude, like three football fields in length. And it was extremely bright, very bold.

blinding. And so eventually the thing disappears out of sight. And the reactor, it didn't seem to be adversely affected by whatever this thing was or anything. But clearly there was a breach of security. So the main investigator on this, controversial UFO researcher, Philip and Brogno, who would go on to investigate Hudson Valley and everything. He discovered that the reactor services, local and state facilities, including New York City subway systems, trains, and several military installations around Duchess County, New York. So the main company overseeing all of this is the New York Power Authority. And supposedly, they dissuaded, as Imbrano puts it, dissuaded him to not publicize this incident. So he kind of, he kind of, he kind of, he kind of,

to kept quiet about it, but then more witnesses started coming forward from Indian Point and surrounding areas and talking to him. And one of the security guys, he told Embrogno, quote, As the object approached the east gate of the reactor complex, the sensors that detect movement shut down and the entire alarm system failed. At this time, I radioed for assistance and several other officers left their posts and joined me. at the east end of the plant to watch the object approach. Inside the security console, the computer that controls all security

and communications shut down. The cameras were still, however, functioning, and we know for sure that the object was videotaped. But then he went on to tell Embrygno that the next day, the commander called in all the guards involved and informed them that, quote, nothing happened. They were all ordered,

to forget the entire incident and all radio communications that night were taped, but according to the plant supervisor, the tapes no longer exist, which I find very hard to believe. So, yeah, man, this is pretty crazy. We got a UFO and nuke case in New York State. This is why currently Indian Point Energy Center has a 3.4 rating on Google right now. It's because of a crap like this. This could be a five-star facility, but no, you got to cover up your dang UFO sightings right over the damn thing. And this is what you get. Fun fact here, they are open 24 hours.

I would certainly hope so. Oh, that's good. Okay. I would hope so, especially if they're powering the New York City subway system. Yeah, absolutely. You got to, they got to be going. guys, you've got to be pulling those all-nighters. That's just the way that it has to be.

But it's always interesting when you hear cases of UFOs just hanging out over nuclear sites, over military sites. There was one interesting case that I stumbled upon about a month ago from Italy back in July of 77. over this NATO base in northern Italy, there was this really large flying saucer that just hovered over this igloo that was storing jet fighters, and it was there for like maybe an hour. It was corroborated by other eyewitnesses off the base,

and it's stories like that that are just always fascinating. It's just like, hey, we're going to hang out here, you know? We're at Ohio. Air Airport. We're just going to hang up above the terminal here for a little bit, and then we'll punch holes through the clouds, whatever. Yeah, man. Again, it's this trickster element to all of this. Like, yeah, while we can be like, yeah, Red Alert, UFOs, nukes, and everything, I still

think they're messing with us. You know, like, if they really wanted to cause destruction or really send a message, they would render these things useless forever. Or they would just blow them all up, you know? So why? Why are they just hovering over it? Um, is it just to scare the shit out of us or, or make us think, wow, something could have happened. Maybe we should rethink this. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Um, I, what I want to know now is, are aliens in on the online review game? And are they the ones that drove down their rating for the Indian Point Energy Center? Like, I want to know. Are they giving them? Are they giving one-star reviews right now because if they are, we've got an even bigger problem here

that we need to tackle and I don't know how we're going to do it. How do we tune in to like alien podcasts and give them one stars? I don't know. I don't know. But if they're going to be out here giving us one stars for our energy centers, we got to deal with that. Intergalactic bots. That's what we need, man. That is definitely what we need. Your joke is so much better than mine. going to say, well, it was ice cream cone shape, so maybe they were trying to cool off the reactor. Listen, man, sometimes, you got to cool those things down. It's right by the water, but you know what? Sometimes, especially, you know, those days get, they get the hot down there. Like, it was July. Yeah, it was, it was July. We're talking, you know, southern New York here. So, uh, those guys don't know what it's like to,

be negative 20 with a wind chill that puts it to negative 40 like we do up here you know you have those days but uh sometimes that energy just needs a nice cool treat and and i i can understand that i think what's interesting about the ice cream cone shape uh of it is that there is a history of objects that look like ice cream yes absolutely uh thomas mantel claimed to see something thing that looked vaguely ice cream shaped, you know, which you can say that's a balloon, but it didn't really, it moved too fast to be a balloon. The guys in the Portage County UFO chase, Dale Spar, who like pursued that UFO 60 miles over into Pennsylvania. He claimed that the UFO was ice cream cone shape. And like, that's one of the strangest shapes that keeps popping up

from time of times, like ice cream cone, just hanging out. Oh, man. Well, first of all, I knew, again, this is why you're here, Rob. I know you can just rattle off names and dates of cases that I'm just like, why do I even bother having a podcast? Why do I do this? It's a blessing and it's a curse. Right. I know. It really is. Oh, I'm just, I'm thinking to you now, July 24th, that was like eight days before my birthday, my literal birthday. God, I could have had a UFO nuke's case on my birthday if they had waited. No, man. more weak. Damn you ice cream cone aliens. Oh, well. Well, let's move to our last case to bookend our New York cases. Rita Malley's UFO encounter. Tell us about

Rita Malley, if you would. Oh, man, this is definitely one of the strangest New York cases that I think we have here. This one comes from the pages of John Keel's Operation Trojan Horse, and it fits into the flap of sightings that was occurring between 65 and 67 in the States. And on the evening of Tuesday, December 12th, 1967, Miss Rita Mali was driving home. She lived in Ithaca at the time, and out of the back window of the car, her son that was riding with her spotted a red light that seemed to be tailing the vehicle. So Rita was speeding at the time, so she assumed she was about to be pulled over by the cops.

But when she looked out the window, she realized that she was being paced not by a police cruiser, but by a UFO. It was shaped like a disc about the size of a box car with a dome top and square red and green windows, she told John Keel. She also described hearing a humming sound, the same kind of. made by like a television, an old tube set television. She came back to her five-year-old son, Dana, to, like, brace himself. Like, she was thinking, like, this thing is going to make an impact with us. Just brace yourself. But when she did, she noticed that he was in some kind of trance.

And it was at this point that the car was taken over by the UFO. It was pulled over to over the shoulder and into an accident. Alfalfa field where it came to a stop. Quote, a white twirling beam of light flashed down from the object. I heard the humming sound. Then I began to hear voices. They didn't sound like male or female voices, but were weird. The words were broken and jerky, like the way a translator sounds when he is repeating

a speech at the United Nations. But it was like a weird chorus of several voices. I became hysterical. My son would not respond to my cries. I knew the radio wasn't on. The voices named someone I knew and said that, at that moment, my friend was involved in a terrible accident miles away. They said my son would not remember any of this.

Then the car began to move again. Although still not under my control, we came up out of that field and over the ditch as if it were nothing, and then back onto the road. Rita then raced home she was just incredibly panicked and you know rightfully so I can completely understand

when she flew through her front door the next day she did in fact learn that her friend had been in a terrible car accident whoa yeah okay this is definitely one of the

weirdest God, I don't even know what to make of this. Yeah, it's got a little bit of everything. It does. UFO's taking over cars. We've had cases like that. What the hell, man. Your UFOs literally taken over a car.

You have singled out this woman, and you brought her into an alfalfa field. Are you kidding me right now? Alfalfa? You couldn't bring it. You couldn't tie it into, like, a cornfield or something? Maybe we could... Lavender, maybe. Yeah, you know, like, we got some sunflowers out there.

Let's do something a little more classy than alfalfa. Come on. That's like the shit you dig off of your salad and don't eat, right? Yeah, pretty much, like, it's not something that you want. Like, it's named for one of the little rascals here, you know? Good, good reference. I knew we could work little rascals into this summer. Somehow. Little Rascals doesn't get worked in enough to UFO lore and literature. We need more of it.

Yep. If not, you're not doing your job. Wow, man. That was crazy. I'm, there's, I don't know. Are there any others you can really think of? These were the, the two main ones I came across. There is, I should say, speaking of John Keel, some murmurs of Mount Misery, which I believe is in Long Island. of men in black and stuff like that. But I didn't really come up with anything specific in terms of that. Do you know anything about Kiel's work up in Long Island? Mount Misery is kind of, it's one of those notorious places that people claim to have all kinds of different strange interactions with, you know, spirit phenomenon. You have UFO sightings.

There's just like a lot of weird things reported at Mount Misery. But, yeah, it's, there aren't a lot of specifics that come about it. But it's just kind of one of those places in New York that has this very eerie reputation for strange things that happen in and around it. Yeah, it's just one of, exactly. It's one of those places. Man, Rob, these are great, man. I knew if we really dug, and I knew if I came to you, that we would find something to make our home state truly proud of. You know, that's what we're doing here.

We're, we need to put New York out there. Listen, we're here. We're here right now. There isn't a lot of good things happening in New York right now. We'll be all right. I think, I think we'll be all right with this one. But, you know, we, we've got the Rona pretty bad up here. But you know what?

if we can make it weirder. It's our job. We got to make it weirder. We got to tell the weird stories that everybody needs to know so that there's a little, you know, there's a little faith in New York and stuff. And like, New York had its brush with its mystery air flap in 1909 down in the Pine Bush area, which is where a lot of sightings during the Hudson Valley flap took place. And I think what with Hudson Valley, what that flap doesn't get the reputation for that it truly deserves is witnesses having psychic encounters with UFOs in which they would often see these UFOs have a thought and the UFO would react. Like there was one story in which a woman saw this UFO.

I think it was she was on the highway. She pulled off. and I believe it was over a body of water or something like that and it was moving away from her and she thought that she was looking up at it it was like very beautiful to look at and most of what the UFOs looked like in New York during this flap they were very boomerang shaped choice hotels get you more of what you value

comfort in it's calling your name save on the stay Oh, and free waffles are yours to claim. Book to act at storeshill tales.com. And she put out there like, no, don't go away. So the UFO responded and it started to come back and it actually came toward her. And then she chickened out. She chicked out.

Said, no, no, you're getting too close. And then it was like, fine, you hurt my feelings. And the UFO went away. What a tease. Yeah, no, I know. Like, listen, you got, sometimes you got to be brave. Sometimes you've got to put on that brave face. If you're going to say, please don't go away,

don't hurt the UFO's feeling saying, no, you're getting too close. Yep. Don't know. What's the old saying? Don't mess with the bull. Oh, yeah, you get the horns, man. You get those horns. You don't want it.

Get those galactic horns. Yeah, you'll get those galactic horns. But, like, there are a couple of accounts of that happening in the Hudson Valley flap. And it's just, it's so great to read those. And what brought that flat legitimacy to begin with is that the first person that reported anything was a police officer. Awesome. That's what we want, man. Yep, exactly.

That just brings more credibility all the time, whether it's military, law enforcement. It just always gives it something extra there. Wow, man. Oh, well, you know, in that whole parapsychological phenomenon in the terms of these, you know, whether it's thinking or trying to communicate with the phenomenon and it reacting, that's so fascinating to me. And we hear that a lot in the lore with all of this. But there's one lesson that you taught me. And I think we kind of have to bring back when it comes to all that. And it's, I think you know where I'm going with this. What don't you do with UFOs, Rob?

You don't flash SOS at a UFO because you know what's going to happen. It's going to come abduct you. It's going to come back. It's going to come down. It's going to abduct you. You want to know what? It happened to Terry Lovelace. And Terry seems like a really nice guy. It happened to him and his buddy.

Happened to the Aligash guys. Oh, hey, let's take our flashlight and flash it out of UFO. What are we going to do? Oh, let's, let's, you know, flash an SOS. No, they're going to pick you up. You want to know why? Because you said you need it out. Trying to be genuine here.

These aliens are trying to be genuine. Trying to help people out. But no, you got to go and you got to flash an SOS. So they picked you up. And you know what? They did some stuff with you. Well, I don't know why because you pissed them off. You didn't need to be picked up.

You were fine in that damn canoe with the four of you in it. You weren't catching fish. You didn't complete your task. But, hey, let's just flash this UFO. Don't do it, folks. Do not flash an SOS at a UFO. That is the one lesson I want to teach everybody here. Don't do it.

And this has been Learning with Rob on PBS. Thank you for joining us tonight, everyone. Next up is, what, fresh air coming up next. Oh, wow, man. Hey, we didn't just learn about New York UFOs. We learned what not to do with these UFOs. And I know there's going to be so much more to learn with the future of our strange skies, man. So tell us what's next for our strange skies.

and this is not the only podcast that you've hosted. You've got one on music. You've got one on, am I correct, D&D? Oh, yeah, man. Yeah. Tell us a little about everything you're up to. It's weird. You know, you say, no, I'm done with this UFO stuff,

and then you start two more podcasts. Like, what the hell are you doing here? You're completely batch hit. But, yeah, with our strange skies, we've got new episodes in the works. There's going to be some coming out real soon and some really great topics that we're going to be covering, you know, some of deductions. We're going to be looking at, you know, UFOs as they progressed before we got to 1947, a lot of really interesting topics that I think will be enjoyable. But I do have a music podcast that I do with my buddy Brian Hastie.

It's called Dakota Music Podcast. We start recording new episodes actually really soon. So there's about 20 of them there right now. If you want to go give those a list, you can. And I am involved in the role-playing game community. So I do a podcast called The Order of Podcasters, in which some friends of mine get together, and we play this game called The Esoterrorist,

which is kind of like X-Files for, people who have day jobs. So I play a character named Myron Dripchin and he is a coast to coast like George Nori character and it was fun, it's fun to play him because he's over the top. I definitely stole some of Nori's best moments from coast to coast like the infamous pizza roll incident. What is that? You don't, oh, man, there was an episode of coast to coast and he opened up this episode by claiming that he had he had he had he had given himself third degree burns by eating pizza rolls oh no had to go to the hospital and everything wow it was so bad but uh you know georgianari has beats that are just uh completely amazing didn't he didn't he correct me if

wrong. Didn't he fall asleep on air once and like the guest was talking and all you could hear was Norrie snoring. Yeah. Yep. Noring snoring. Yeah. It's, uh, tune in to the, uh, the new segment of my podcast, Norie snoring and, uh, anytime there's a boring moment now on my future episodes, I'm going to play a sound bite of him snoring. Tell your guest to, uh, you know, Let's make this a bit more interesting. Come on. Yeah, you need yourself a soundboard, definitely. We have a bunch of episodes up now, I think, like, over 10. We've done three different adventures, but it's fun.

We shoot monsters with guns, and we have fun doing it, and we kind of poke fun at the podcasting community a little bit, which is always good. As you should, yep. Yes. And the fourth podcast I'm involved in is a Dungeons and Dragons podcast called Rolling Through the Realms. And we, me and my friends, we get together. We play some D&B. It's funny.

At times it's heartwarming. You know, you get a little bit of everything. So, yeah, if you're looking, if you're so in love with my voice, which I really hope you're not, please don't be in love with my voice. But if you are, there's plenty of content out there for you now. I'm not in love with your voice, Rob. I'm in love with the idea of your voice. Okay. Yeah, okay. Okay. I got you. Okay, so now I'm going to get messages of people saying that, Ryan. Thank you. You're very welcome, man. Hey, if there's anything you're known for, it's catchphrases, don't lick UFOs.

Don't do it. And everything in between. Brother, this was awesome. Where can we find everything you're up to? If you want to stay in touch on Twitter is probably the best place to find me these days at your UFO guy, spelled Y-E-R-U-F-O-Gai. I usually post updates there. Pretty much every single one of my podcast projects, with the exception of Our Strange Guys, has a social media presence. So you can find us out there. but yeah, the best musings that I often have is they come on Twitter, and I'd like to read one for all of you right now.

I had this thought earlier today, and it goes something like this. Imagine being a gray and realizing that you have no chance of having a dump truck. That is depressing as fuck. There you go. There you go. Those are the kind of thoughts you could get from me. Oh my gosh, it's like, what is it, deep thoughts of Jack Handy. You're killing it, man.

You're just dropping bombs everywhere you step. I love it. I absolutely love it. Dude, it's been so good to just lay back and laugh about things, you know, especially in the world today with everything going on. This was exactly what I needed. I know it's what a lot of our listeners probably needed as well. So first of all, it is so good to have you back with our strange skies.

And of course, I have to thank you for coming on today, brother. I appreciate you having me on any time that we can laugh, any time that we can make other people laugh, it's good in the UFO community because I've said this many times before. Y'all, sometimes you take yourself a little too seriously. You need to learn to laugh a little bit. And I'm glad that I can bring forth laughs. Do not let aliens leave one-star reviews for your podcasts or your businesses.

Please, this is an epidemic. Somewhere in the Skies is produced by Third Kind Productions in association with the Entertainment One Podcast Network.