Somewhere in the Skies - UFO Landings in the United Kingdom with Philip Mantle

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

UK UFO researcher, Philip Mantle, joins us to discuss his book, UFO Landings UK, a deep dive into hundreds of alleged UFO landing cases across the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland, spanning from the early 1900s to the present day. Mantle reflects on the formative Normanton landing case in West Yorkshire that ignited his lifelong investigation into close-range UFO encounters. He then details several cases of high strangeness, echoing the research philosophy of J. Allen Hynek, who argued that the closer and more prolonged an encounter, the harder it is to explain away. Buy the book at: https://a.co/d/9DuMDjt Please take a moment to rate and review us on Spotify and Apple. Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Substack: https://ryansprague.substack.com/ All Socials and Books: https://linktr.ee/somewhereskiespod Email: [e-mail] SpectreVision Radio: https://www.spectrevision.com/podcasts Opening Theme Song by Septembryo Closing Song by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2026 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #UFOs #UAP #UFOLandings #HighStrangeness #UFOSightings #BritishUFOs #PhilipMantle #UFObooks #CloseEncounters #Unidentified Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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we'll be speaking to with today. And that is Philip Mantle. He is one of my favorite UFO researchers over in the UK. He has done everything from investigating UFO crashes, landings, close encounters, the alien autopsy as well, which we'll have to talk to him about on another episode. But today we're here to talk about his book, and that is UFO landings. UK. Now, a lot of people know the Rendell-Sham Forest incident, but the UK has a very rich history with UFO landings, a rich history that I was not fully aware of until I looked at this huge

compilation that Philip has brought to us in the form of his book. So without further ado, I'm going to bring him in for the very first time to somewhere in the skies. Philip, welcome to somewhere in the skies. My pleasure. Good evening, Ryan. Before we talk landings, I always have to ask first-time guests for those who may not be familiar with you, with your work, the quintessential origin story. How did you get involved with UFOs? That one that you're probably used to answering. Yeah, it's a long time ago, Ryan.

I mean, when I was, you know, a young fellow at high school, I had three or four interests. I mean, I'd always had an interest in not all things paranormal. I mean, literally. And I was also interested in the space race at that time and horror movies. But the paranormal was top of the list. And I was fortunate in some respects that literally, the other side of the street from where I lived, my best friend's grandmother lived there.

And she used to go to a local spiritualist church. So I tagged on a few times. times, I've just found it fascinating. I didn't necessarily believe everything they were saying, but I still found it fascinating. I was interested in the space race and astronomy, and I read one astronomy book. I can't remember the title of it all these years later, but it had one chapter in it about UFOs, and it basically dismissed the subject, which I found rather odd, to be honest, right, because elsewhere in this book, there was lots of theoretical things about, you know, astronomy.

And I thought, well, you can theorise about astronomical phenomena, but you don't accept the UFO phenomenon. I found it peculiar. But nonetheless, that sparked the interest. So I left high school at the age of 16 with no qualifications, and didn't know what I was going to do with myself. but this interest was there. So I read what I could about it, which wasn't a lot you could get your hands on in those days. And then in late 1978,

I went to work in what was there in West Germany. Over the winter, I worked there. Couldn't speak a word of the language. So I phoned my mother and said, can you send me some books? I can sit down on an evening. You know, I can sit and watch the TV, but I can't understand it, you know.

So she sent me a box of books, and lo and behold, every single one were UFO books. I don't know where she got them from. So I would sit there on an evening and read away. So when I returned home in, you know, I think it was March, 1979,

I had a bit more information, if you like. Then, of course, the Spielberg movie, close encounters came out. And I went and watched that. And I used to live then about five miles from the city of Leeds in West Yorkshire, which is in the north of England. And Leeds then, as it does now, publishes an evening newspaper.

It's called the Yorkshire Evening Post. Now, just around the corner from where I live, my aunt used to live. And she used to obtain a copy of this every night. And she brought it around one night, Ryan. and pointed to an advertisement in it. Coming up that Sunday was the first ever meeting of the Yorkshire UFO Society in Leeds. Now, in this period of time,

in the UK, on a Sunday, everything used to close. I mean, literally everything. So I caught the bus, I didn't drive in those days, I caught the boss into Leeds. The location was a place called Centenary House, North Street, Leeds. In our goals, I finds the room. They'd hired a room in this building.

And there was about 20 or 30 people there. Great to see a pile of books for sale. That pleased me. Now, the Yorkshire UFO Society was formed by two brothers. And that is Graham and Mark Berthel. And they'd obviously been involved in the subject for a few years. They put on a presentation, Ryan. And, you know, that was me.

I felt, you know, I was home. I found my niche in life. I just wanted to know more. Graham, of course, went on several, some years later to successfully edit and publish UFO magazine here in the UK that sold in its tens of thousands. It was a newsstand magazine. Sadly, he died, you know, unexpectedly a few years back.

But nonetheless, I felt this is it. So I actually joined the Yorkshire UFO Society. I think I paid two pound for the whole year. And we used to have monthly meetings. And by the time, you know, the fourth or fifth meeting now, you know, I were ready to jump in with both feet. And that's how it all started. Had it not been for that advertisement in the Yorkshire Evening Post,

I would never have known about this society starting. But for me, it was the right place at the right time. with the right people. I just felt very fortunate. Wow. I see, I love hearing those, those stories. You know, many people have a sighting. That's what gets them interested. Or like you, it's complete happenstance. I recall Stanton Friedman even saying he accidentally, I believe, received a book in the mail about UFOs flying saucers and it changed his life. He was, I mean, that advertisement in the Yorkshire even in post changed my life. you know, and I'm forever grateful for it, you know, because where I lived was a small town,

you know, there wasn't much happening, wasn't a great deal to do. Leeds was a nice enough city, still is, but, you know, I had no formal education. The high school I went to was absolutely hopeless. But I always had this thirst for knowledge. I'll give you an example at high school. It wasn't a church school, but once a week we used to have R.I. we call it, religious instruction. So we were taught that what was in the Bible was verbatim, and this is it.

And we're only one lesson a week, and I was always the idiot at the back of the room would put his hand up. And, you know, I don't think this is, this can't be right. So I think around about the same period, I literally sat down one, you know, every night and read a bit of the Bible until I'd finished it. So I thought, if I'm going to get in trouble, at least I want to know what I'm getting in trouble for, you know. Right.

So I always wanted to understand things. I wasn't just, I wasn't, I wasn't happy just sat there letting other people tell me what was going on. And, you know, that continued when I joined the Yorkshire UFO Society. Amazing.

Question everything. Question everything. Well, okay. So, you know, throughout the years, decades, you've researched many, many cases.

You've investigated some personally as well. as well. And that kind of culminated into one of many of your books, but the one we'll be talking about today is UFO Landings, UK. Like I mentioned, there have been so many that I was not aware of. We know the pinnacle cases, the Rendell Shums and whatnot, even Broadhaven. A lot of people are familiar with that one, but your book has hundreds upon hundreds. So before we even talk about some of the cases, Philip, where did these come from? How did you obtain these files? That's a good question because, you know, when we started, Ryan, there was no internet. Right.

There was no online service. So when you try to, you know, research cases, you either did it in person. I mean, literally in person, you or you would write that, you know, the old-fashioned way you would write a letter or phone someone. I mean, these were about the only ways you could contact people. We were fortunate when I joined the. Yorkshire UFO Society as it went into the 1980s there is a national park in north Yorkshire it's called the Yorkshire Dales I'd recommend every American tourist to head there it's a beautiful part of the world and yes I am biased but it's the it's it's the part of the

world that parts of it were where the Bronte sisters wrote Wuthering Heights and so on but areas in and around the market town have skipped in the Yorkshiredale's for whatever reason Ryan had a lot of sightings being reported and this is you know a lot of it is what we call semi-rural when you leave the town there are no cities when you leave the towns there's villages there's moors especially one place called calton moore just outside of skippton it's heather that I know livestock kept there they They do game birds shooting there, but that's about it. And we made it our purpose to make ourselves as visible as possible.

We would leave our contact details with local police stations, you know, libraries, even put posters up in some of the local pubs. And one of the things when people contacted, one of the things we used to ask is how have you found us? You know, have you found our address or our phone number? So we knew what was working. So there was a time in the early 1980s that we were, you know, bombarded with sightings from these areas and couldn't cope at times almost. So, you know, I think I joined uphology at the right time.

I joined with the right people, Mark and Graham Burtzl. And we were just fortunate that there was a lot of things happening for us to get our teeth into. and off we went and we were up and running. I learned to drive, got my own transport and there was no stopping us. It was as simple as that. And we made ourselves very, very visible. And we do lots of local lectures.

I mean, we'll do the Women's Institute. I mean, you name it just to get the word out that here we were. And that's how our information started to be gathered. UFO landings. Is that true? Yeah, yeah. I mean, once we got up,

and running. The area that I lived in was covered by another newspaper. It was called the Wakefield Express. I'm sure you've all read it. I got it right on my coffee table. And I did a local feature in it, you know, you stand there holding your camera looking stupid, you know. But they ran my phone number. And we had a lady callers, just a local lady. And she said, Philip, you won't believe me, you won't believe me. I said, well, give us a chance. Now, you won't believe me. You won't believe me. Now, the area that I lived in was an industrial area, mainly coal mines. My father worked down the mines all his life. And this lady only lived a few miles away. She lived in a town called Normanton in West Yorkshire. And that was a coal mining town at that point in the history. The mines have all gone now.

but so myself and Mark Berthel went to see this lady she called Mrs. Westerman. Now Mrs. Westerman lived in a cul-de-sac and there was no houses opposite and her house was a terrace house but it was an what we call an elevated house. So you walked up some steps to get into the front door. At the bottom of the road at the end of the cul-de-sac were some trees, some fields and some electricity pylons that went to the, came from the nearby power station at Ferry Bridge. Now,

she had several children, it was about five of them, and it was just after lunch, and they were outside playing a ball game. It was a beautiful, sunny day, and it was a made-up ballgame, and it's the same kind of thing I played when I was their age, and she was actually

washing the dishes after lunch. And one of the children came running in and said, Mom, mom there's an airplane crashed in the field so she came out the front door and because it's an elevated house right and she could actually see from a front door across these fields it's just philippe it wasn't any airplane it was something shaped like a a mexican hat but like a silver gray in color on the ground so she got all of the children they walked down to the bottom of the cul-de-sac through the trees.

Now, at one point you go down a little dip so you lose sight of the field above you. So they walked up the other side and this field was bordered by a small fence. This thing is sat there on the ground but now there are three tall men

all wearing white suits. They had some kind of visor over their face. She was that close she could say they didn't have gloves on. They had mittens and there waving something over the ground. One of the children tried to climb the fence, but she held him back.

And at this point, these three beings walked to the back of this thing. It then rose up, stopped in the air, and pump was gone once it came in a flash. No noise, you know, nothing. So she went home and she sat down that night to watch the local TV news. It's going to be on the TV. It's bound to be. There's a major motorway. passes Normanton. It's called the M62. Thousands of cars go by. It was a beautiful sunny day.

Lots of people out and about. Nothing. I mean, nothing. She bought the local newspaper. Nothing. She even went and asked some of her neighbors if they'd seen anything. And not a thing at all. Now, Mark and I interviewed Mrs. Westerman. We interviewed all the children. They didn't call it a spaceship or aliens. And they just said these tall men. you know, this funny shape thing. We even interviewed one of the children's friends. He hadn't seen anything, but he'd gone home for lunch. And when he came back, you know, everything was over with.

And he was a bit upset because he missed the whole. You know, he missed the excitement. And she was mystified. I mean, she was perplexed by what she saw in the first place. But she was even more perplexed by the fact that no one else seemed to have seen anything. and she couldn't get that out of her head. Like I said, she lived in a mining town, kind of people I grew up with all my life.

We couldn't find any logical explanation for this sighting. And we did try. So she was either lying or telling the truth, and I could find no reason why she would be lying. She didn't want any publicity, wouldn't allow a photograph to be taken. We wrote this item up in our, in our own publication that we made at the time,

but we weren't even allowed to use her name. And what's peculiarly, and a couple of years back, I did a podcast for someone, and I told this story, but I just forgot to use the lady's name. It's Mrs. Westerman. I thought,

I just forgot. And I got an email from a lady in New Zealand, and she said, Philip, you know, I used to live in Normanton. I've now immigrated to New Zealand What was the lady's name? I said it was Mrs. Westerman She says

My best friend was called Westerman And she still lives there But she's changed her name Because she's got married So she emailed her friend And her friend was one of those children We interviewed all them years ago And I got in touch with her

And she confirmed You know, what she remembered and but still, you know, it seems almost, Ryan, that you had to be in that place at that time to have experienced this. Oh, you know, I'm just saying that. It's just just an opinion of mine. But even all these years later, we were, you know, the children are now grown up and had our own family, of course,

confirmed that it did happen. You didn't say, oh, I'm sorry, Philip, we're pulling your leg, you know. and what it did for me, Ryan, I don't know if I really needed it, but it cemented my belief in the UFO phenomenon. And I thought, I'm not wasting my time here. There is something worthy of further research and investigation.

It's my time to waste anyway, but, you know, it wasn't a waste of time. There was something to it after all, especially the people that reported this. They were the kind of people I'd grown up with all my life. You know, I knew them. My father was a coal mine. I had friends work down at the mines.

I had other family members did. So I know that's not scientific or anything like that, but it's the kind of community I grew up in. And, you know, so landing cases, as a result of Mrs. Westerman's account on my doorstep, you know, a couple of miles up the road, just always were there in the back of my mind. irrespective of what else I was dealing with or whatever else would come my way,

that was already in the file. And it continued to grow as the decades went by. But that's the one that started it all, really. Wow. And make it what you will. Yeah. Beautiful sunny day. Everybody out and about.

A huge motorway going past. Nobody, nobody. I mean, we've run this feature. in the local newspaper here a couple of times, hoping that somebody else might step forward, but no one, no one. So as far as we're aware, you know,

the Westerman family were the only ones to see it. Wow. But there you go. Yeah. I love that. I love hearing that. And you're right. You know, there's a gut feeling in a lot of UFO investigations.

You know, there's many ways to look at a case, scientifically, spiritually, even, psychologically. And then you also have, you know, this, this just idea of, I trust this person. There's no reason for them to have made this up. Like you said, these were the types of people you grew up with. These are modest, humble people. They have nothing to gain by telling a story like this. So then you're left wondering, this probably happened, but what was it?

and we may never know. And that's frustrating in some ways and exciting in others, because then, like you said, it leads you to that curiosity of these UFO landings. And then, boom, an entire new door is opened for you and hundreds of cases start to spill in. And that's what I liked about the book is you kind of, you compartmentalize these into decades, which I really like, you know, 40s, 50, 60s. And a lot of us here in the United States, When we think of the modern UFO era, it always begins with Kenneth Arnold, the flying saucer story, the classic story. But in your book, you actually start with a lot of cases pre Kenneth Arnold that I was not aware of it. I'm sure a lot of our listeners are aware of.

Yeah, I mean, we always use Kenneth Arnold as the yardstick, but that's when flying saucers became, you know, into popular culture. So there's nothing wrong with that. But I remember, again, I moved a few miles away. And again, some years later, I did another local newspaper piece. And the gentleman in mind the name of John Warren contacted me. It was an oldish boy. He retired, but he lived nearby. So I went to speak to Mr. Warren because it was literally, you know, a mile or so from where I lived.

and he recounted an event back in 1942 before Kenneth Arnold obviously it was during wartime the Second World War Mr. Warren was in the Royal Air Force and stationed at a place called R.EF Ludham in Norfolk in the UK

and it was he couldn't remember the exact date but he thinks it was May and he'd been out to a local dance and it was some 12 miles from the air base and he was a bit late and he missed the last train back so there was no other option in 1942 but to walk and not only that he was going to get in trouble for being late you know not absent without leave but he was He was going to be in for it if they found out. So he sets off to walk back. He's nearing the town of Ludham and the air base.

When he encounters up ahead of him, a peculiar-looking humanoid, just stood at the side of the road. And he had a box on its chest. And it was shining green light out of the top of this box. I don't know if you ever did it when you were a youngster yourself around me. You got to, you call it a flashlight. We call it a torch and put it under your chin and the light all shoots up.

It makes your face look funny, you know. It was the early days of apps that you have now have on the phone to make your face look for it. Or you just get old and grey like me and it ends up looking funny anyway, you know. But this light was shining up in its face and he said he had a peculiar grin on its face. But behind it, there was also a dome-shaped object that was illuminated as well. And it scared the living daylights out of him. Remember, this is 1942. You know, it's, you know, the middle of the war.

And although I didn't put it in the book, because he asked me not to write this, but he said, had he been armed at the time, had he had his sidearm with him, he would have shot it. Because this was wartime. And he knew it wasn't anything to do with the RAF. the army. So, i.e. it must be the enemy. And he said, he would have shot. He would have shot it.

But it didn't do anything. He, he, he scarpered pretty quickly. And luckily for him, he managed to get back into the barracks through a window. His friend let him in through a window. And he says, you know, I told

my friend. And he was, you know, startled by it. So in the, in the mid-1960s, I think it was Mr. Warren had also reported the citing to the British UFO Research Association. So I managed to access their file and find his letter. But it was nice to be able to speak to him in person about something that happened pre Arnold. And it obviously still bothered him because he contacted me when he saw me in the local newspaper.

He still wanted to talk about it all those years later. and it's just another fascinating little landing case that nobody's ever heard of it's been languishing in somebody's files but the good thing was I got to speak to him in person so you're not just reading bits of paper

you can you could feel the fascination that this old boy had and of course the era that we're talking about it was you know the wartime and I can honestly believe him if he would have shot it You know, I can honestly believe that. You know, we'll laugh about it.

It sounds the obvious thing to do to me. This is not us. Therefore, it must be the enemy. I'm going to shoot the damn thing. And it's right outside the RAF base where he was stationed. So, you know, make of it what you will. I mean, it just gives you one example that if you dig, these are the type of things that come to the surface. Wow.

Yeah. That is a fascinating case. And this idea of, yeah, it's a potential threat, especially around a military base, which there were several of those in the book that you spoke of. And that lends a lot of credibility for a lot of people who don't, you know, research UFOs like you and I do on a daily basis. When they hear that military people are witnessing these pilots,

people on the ground, radar operators, that seems to be what really catches people's attention. Well, Mr. Warren was responsible for our pilots. I mean, two squadrons of fighter aircraft at RAF Ludnam. So he wasn't just a T-boy. You know, he wasn't a colonel either, but, you know, he wasn't. And like I said, he had no option but to walk home that night. Once you missed the last train, that was it.

So it was 12 miles. And he said, I hadn't been on the drink. Because there wasn't a lot of it anyway, and we didn't have a lot of money either. You know, I think it'd be. in all honesty, he'd been chasing the ladies at the dance, but that's another story, you know,

but, you know, fascinating. And it makes you wonder, Ryan, when you come across cases like this, you make you think, well,

what others are there out there that we are totally unaware of? And I'll give you an example. It's not in the book. As you mentioned in the introduction, I was involved in the alien autopsy film research. And I made a little four-part TV series, TV documentary series about it. And it was broadcast last year.

And a local gentleman contacted me on email. I've got something I'd like to show you, Philip. And so when the lockdown, the COVID lockdown had finished, he paid me a visit. And this was the memoirs of his wife's grandfather. Like I said, this area used to be. a big coal mining area. He was actually a mining engineer. So not a digger of coal,

but he used to design the lift shafts and the loading gear and all this kind of thing. And before he died, he typed up his memoirs. They weren't extensive, you know. And as a young boy, he used to live near Manchester, which is about, you know, 40 miles from here.

Not that far. and and these memoirs were in two parts. One was about his life, how he, where he grew up, his family. The second part was about his life as a mining engineer. And this chap said the second half is dreadfully boring,

unless you're heavily into mining engineering, and he says, but in the other part, when he was nine years old, I believe, eight or nine, there is a chapter and it just says, the encounter.

And it's, the largest chapter in the whole memoirs, he printed these things out himself, and just gave him to family members, said there were only about 10 coppers he ever made. So he talks about an encounter in 1911. And him and his friend were on the way to a local park. They had to walk to it, you know,

children didn't get run around in cars in those days. And he said, we came to this clearing. And there's this thing's on. the ground, you know, like a cigar-shaped thing on the ground. And, you know, they went up to it. It opened up. And there were beings, humanoid beings, looked at what we probably describe as Asian, wearing colored clothing and even a headgear that looked something like a turban. And they communicated with them and conversed with them.

then off they went. And he reported it to his parents when he got home and, you know, they didn't do anything about it. But this was the largest chapter in this gentleman's memoirs. Wow. And nobody knew anything about it. I mean, I put this gentleman's name in on Google. I think I found one mention of him, you know, and that was it.

Nothing to do with UFOs. And I managed to get an old photograph of him. but nothing, not a whisper. And this was 1911, you know, the early part of the 20th century, before the First World War. Right. And it had just been sat gathering dust. You know, I was only disappointed that I didn't get to meet the old boy and speak to him, you know, in person. And this gentleman let me take a, you know, a copy of this file.

And I have it, but it's not in the book, but I thought I'd mention that because it's, it's an example who just said, you know, what else is lying around out there that we're not aware of? And here was one. Again, it came about because I appeared on TV and he must have Googled me and he thought, I don't live up there. I'm easy enough to find, you know,

I'm not living in some Hobbit land in a little round house, you know. And I was forever thankful. And I published the story in a couple of magazines and I sent this gentleman copies of it. and it was, you know, to share with the family. But very bizarre, very strange, but it shows you what else may be lying around that we're unaware of of these strange accounts,

you know, and make of it what you will. You know, there's a lot more to the story than that, but, you know, A, I can't remember it all offhand. B, we're limited for time anyway. But it's an example. That is something that's only in 10, copies of an old boy's memoirs and it's you will not find it anywhere else. Very interesting. Again, I like the way you, uh, you think about these things, Philip, of,

you know, how many lost chapters are there to memoirs out there or, uh, you know, reports that never made it to an organization or to the FAA or to the local law enforcement, you know, that old saying of like, you know, 95% of people have probably seen something unexplained in the sky, but 2% maybe report it somewhere. So we can only imagine the untold stories that are out there. So that's really fascinating. Well, people say to me, how do you find out these things, Philip? Well, I always say, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my,

you'll never get lost so long as you have a tongue in your head. In other words, ask. Just ask. And when you ask the simplest of questions, right? It's amazing of what the answers are that come back, especially when you're dealing with these things and what things you find. I know I've given you examples here where I've been in the local media and somebody's contacted me.

But a lot of the times we were just doing the asking, you know, and putting ourselves out there and saying, have you seen anything? If you have, come and tell us. Come and tell us. And, I mean, again, hundreds of landings have occurred. Are there any more, Philip, that you find extra notable that you'd like to share with us here throughout the decades? Well, you know, one of the busiest times for UFO's full stop was just before I got involved in the UK I'm talking about.

And it's the sort of late 1970s. And I think you mentioned it anyway. There's an incident that took place in what's called Dechmont Woods in Livingston in Scotland. and it was the late 1970s, I think it was 1979 and he involved a local gentleman by the name of Robert Taylor

Mr. Taylor was a forestry worker hence it happening in Deckmont Woods he set off to go to work from Livingston and the woods were up on a hill beyond where he lived in his truck with his dog and it was a very

down to earth gentleman was Mr. Taylor and he's walking down through these woods and there's a small clearing and as it comes to this clearing there is this thing there again sat on the ground it is

dome shaped he has what he described as a flange going around the bottom of it and on this flange with little pointers sticking up with like a helicopter blade on them and either from the back of this thing or from underneath it

rolled these two large balls black balls with spikes on he said they remind him of the old World War II mines that used out at sea and they literally plopped across the he could in and plopping across the ground because it was muddy as they came towards him he felt a tug on either side of his his trousers in the middle of his thighs, but outside,

there was a high-pitched whistling sound, a smell of sulphur, and he was out cold. I mean, literally out cold. When he came around, you know, his dog, he's doing somersaults, and this thing has gone.

I mean, literally. So he staggered to his truck, tried to drive it, managed to just get it into a ditch. So it wasn't far to where he lived, so he staggered. down home, knocked on the door and his wife's there and she says, what's the matter? What's the matter? What's happening? You know, he's looking a bit disheveled, a bit dirty.

And he says, I've been attacked. So she phones the police. You know, and the police come and he tells them. And when the police go to the location, it's exactly where he told them to go. There are these strange marks in the ground. There's two that look like caterpillar marks and some other indentations around them. fortunately for the police and UFO investigators it was cold that night I believe he might have had a bit of snow so it froze the muddy ground

so these imprints were frozen in place and photographs were taken the police even drew a sketch of these marks and because Mr Taylor was such an upstanding member of the community the police actually carried out a forensic investigation and it's the only official forensic police

investigation of a UFO sighting anywhere in the UK and you know they confirmed the Mr. Taylor's trousers were torn where he felt these things pulling on him went right through and these

were heavy you know duty work trousers they confirmed that they were consistent with a upward pulling motion and they they conducted a full report and I have, you know, I have a copy of that police report. Again, there's a motorway runs nearby

from Edinburgh to Glasgow. Livingston's kind of in the middle of those, you know, if you're on a picture it on a map, it's not an out-of-the-way place, in middle of nowhere, you know. And I was fortunate. My colleague, Malcolm Robinson, from Scotland, was on site within no time at all. And Malcolm has written the definitive book on this.

I mean, it is a fantastic book. So just look out for that if you're interested. But I went with Malcolm many years later to interview Mr. Taylor. And this is an interesting little story. He told us the account, just as he'd done with everybody else. And we thanked him for the time. And Malcolm and I set off up to Deckmont Woods. And, you know, the trees have grown somewhat in the years past.

But we found the location and we're taking some photographs. But it wasn't, if you didn't know where you were going, Ryan, he wouldn't have known anything about it. It's just trees. Right. So I said to Malcolm, they now put a picnic bench there. The local councilor put a picnic bench. So when do you get a brass plaque made?

I just screw it onto the side of the picnic bench, you know. So Malcolm went to the local council with this idea. And instead of that, they put a, huge, great rock there with a big plaque on it, you know, commemorating the event. And I think just the other year,

they've gone a stage further now and put sign posters and things explaining it, you know, and not that they're going to get thousands of tourists like they do in Roswell, but it, you know, there are maps there and it will take you to the location. And that just came as an off-the-cuff

remark between Malcolm and I, and fair play to him. Malcolm took the idea up and ran with it, and he's done a great job. But again, fascinating case was, you know, forensically,

I have to emphasize that word, forensically investigated by the police, and they could find no explanation for it. You know, again, he wasn't lying. You know, he'd no idea.

One of the curious things about this, and it's, you know, I forgot to mention it myself, is that when Mr. Taylor is looking at this, object on the ground. The dome, if you like, is part of it was transparent. But that transparency moved.

Didn't stay all in one place. We're not looking at a transparent dome. Our transparency moved around the top of this dome. And it's, I don't, you know, I can't figure that out at all. It's very puzzling indeed. And, um, you know, I, um, you know, I don't, I can't figure that out at all. But there is a lot more involved in the case than I've highlighted. But just look, you know, look for Malcolm's book, Malcolm Robinson.

You'll not be disappointed, I can assure you. But it's another fascinating case. This one has appeared in the newspapers. It has appeared on television. But it's not widely well-known like Rendlesham or you won't find any mention of Rendlesham forest in my new book at all because, you know, there are countless books about it. it, so I didn't need to write about that.

I couldn't have done it justice in just one chapter. But the Dechmont-Wood's case, or Livingston or Robert Taylor, you know, is fascinating. And again, I was glad to meet the Manning himself. I was actually researching my first book when I spoke to Mr. Taylor. Way back in 1994, I co-authored a book called Without Consent, which dealt with abductions and missing. time cases, again, only here in the UK, nowhere else. And there was a period of missing time that Mr. Taylor couldn't account for.

So that's why I went to interview him. But he'd never explored it any further. It was just, I don't know. I was out cold. I don't know what happened. You know, and I tried to drive my truck and that ended up in a ditch. You know, so, but I was glad. I was glad I got to speak to him.

I really am. And he was a, again, Ryan, I know it doesn't mean a lot to a lot of people, but he was such a down-to-earth gentleman. You know, he really was. He had his job, his wife, his family, and his dog. And that's all he was really interested in, you know. And he was bewildered by the whole event. Even right up to the day he died, I believe he was still, you know, had no idea what happened to him that day. Wow.

Again, you know, posing that question, why? Why would someone make something like this up? There's absolutely nothing to gain. He didn't want notoriety. He reported it to the only people he thought he could. And that's the police. His wife did. And that makes sense.

Yeah. That is a great case. I've been attacked. So if you've been attacked, what do you do? Just the logical thing. Call the police. You're right. Yeah.

I love it. Well, and I do want to talk about there is this subset in the, UFO field when it comes to landings or close encounters where school children are involved. And that seems to be a really big thing. More cases than I ever thought actually existed. And we will get there. But before we get to that pinnacle case in Broadhaven, Philip, are there any other cases in the book that you really want to share with us now?

You have a chapter called The X-Files, which of course is near and here by heart. I'll go back in time to the 70s again, if I may. Yeah, please. Because one of the things I talk about in the book is the term that the late Alan Hineck came up with, and that's high strangeness. And as far as he was concerned, you know, the strange of these cases were, the closer you got to the objects, then the less likely is that it's a misidentification.

You know, we all know, Ryan, that most UFO sightings at the, end of the day have a conventional explanation but when you're up close and personal to these things it's it's very difficult to say it was an airplane or it was a star or planet or whatever other excuse even hynek fell foul of that didn't it with the swamp gas you know and he admitted he got that wrong many years later but um there's a place and i can't pronounce it correctly so i it's in wales Now, the Welsh language is, you know, one of a kind really. It's a place called McAlenz in Wales. And it involved a young boy called Trevor.

You know, we've never released his surname. It happened on July the 22nd, 1975. And he was with his father. And they were heading for the coast. And the beach, behind the beach was this large hill. and you know Trevor being an adventurous young man I'm up here

so he you know it wasn't anything dangerous he scrambled up the rocks and when he got to the top it was amazed that there was this this dome shaped object with lights all around it

actually there amongst the rocks and it was dome shape and this dome was transparent and what makes it even and more high straitens is the creatures that he's saw in it there were two creatures that he called jellymen they were seemed as if they were you know bubbling away inside them all moving this mass moving inside of them and it frightened the hell out of him he ran down the rocks yelled to his father and then turned around and

and ran back up. And his father thought he'd play in some kind of game. But when his father looked up, he could see Trevor hiding behind a rock. So he's climbed these rocks and he's hiding behind it and bobbing up to look at these things. So he hid behind the rock again. And when he got back, this thing has gone.

You know? And it is totally bizarre what Trevor described. can't find anything in the UFO Richardson that matches what we've called jellymen. And I had to use it. It's a case that some of us older researchers here in the UK are aware of, but by no means everybody. And it shows you how really strange some of these incidents are. This is 1975. So it's, you know, there are science fiction movies that have been out there.

but he hasn't got this from any science fiction story that I'm aware of that made the headlines in Wales, you know, as a young lad. And it is extremely peculiar. It really is. And, you know, like anything else, I don't try and indoctrinate with anything that I do, Ryan. I just say, here it is. You can decide for yourself. You've got a brain in your head. You don't need me to tell you what to do or what to think.

make of it what you will but it shows again the bizarre nature of some of these encounters because if we if we believe the tabloid press that it's all the same no matter where you go things that are reported are the little great guys and

the only people that report them are you know hicks out in the middle of the New Mexico desert you know but no they're not this was on a beach in Wales you know and some rocks behind the beach so you know yeah yeah RDAF base in 1942 right outside the RAF base you know

what I mean it's just and it makes me scratch my head you know it's some of these cases when you look into them you think well I can't deny it but it's so bizarre and that's one example of it that when we talk about high strangeness his father didn't see the thing but his father saw him hiding behind the rock because he hid behind this rock and he kept popping up.

Because at one point, this dome started to open. And that's when he ran. So he thought, these things are coming out. I don't. Yeah. I know. But there you go. But again, people have said, well, why were things so active in the late 1970s in the UK?

And my answer is I don't know. I just do not know. But if you've gone through. archives and files like I have, not only was it very active in the late 1970s, these high strangeness cases were very active in the late 1970s. Some people, obviously, skeptical, say it's because Star Wars, you know, close encounters.

But, you know, for me, that doesn't explain it all. You know, it can't explain it. You know, it's a nice try, but no cigar. you know but there you go so that that case is in the book and you can read for it there's a picture of

of what was drawn and artist's impression you know make of it what you will yeah well yeah we should mention too in the book you have many detailed witness sketches

and of craft of humanoids and that alone was very interesting to just skim through the book and look at the like you mentioned the bizarre

nature of some of these beings, a jelly being, and these beings with boxes. The way they're described, it truly makes you wonder, A, how many different intelligences are we dealing with? How many different phenomena? How high strangeness do these actually get? And what can we say about the witnesses and their perception of these things as well? It's interesting.

I mean, that's where the answer's lying. those questions you've just posed, you know. I have another kind of a favorite case, but in the late 1970s, early 1980s, we had a well-known pop group in the UK called Hot Chocolate. Love it. Yeah, led by a black guy called Arrow Brown, who was a beautiful voice, great singer, well-known.

In 1980, they released a song called No Doubt About It. and when you listen to the song it's on YouTube you'll find it hot chocolate no doubt about it the singing about a flying saucer landing and the video they made to go with it you know is all spacey and what have you and I just thought it was just a pop song

that somebody had written and made up but I found out that it's actually based on a real event now none of the members of the pop group Hot Chocolate saw anything but the two people that wrote the song actually did. One of them is called Steve Glenn. And I managed to get older Steve when I was

researching the book and speak to him. He's still active in the in the music business. He was a singer himself. I think he even went to number one in Japan at one point with one of his songs, but he was more of a songwriter. And he wrote a lot of songs for a lot of the well-known pop stars in the UK in that era. And they were in the south of England and they were heading for the recording studio one night, him and his friend in the car, and he had another pop group following along behind them in a van.

When they saw this peculiar thing, it's a huge great thing. So he pulled over at the side of the road and they ducked down behind some bushes because this thing came to ground. And he said he shot out these little spheres, almost as if they were like attacking them. so you know they even phoned the police

when this and the police came out and spoke to them it was too late this thing had gone by then so Steve told me he said we went home that night and we sat down him and his partner and they wrote the song no doubt about it in about 10 minutes and it was I think it was hot chocolate's best selling single

it sold zillions of them all over the world obviously not in it you know so that is in the book you know that is in the book there's a pop song inspired by a real event and in fact I spoke to Steve Glenn just the other day telling him the books out and I needed his address to send him a copy because I always said I would and he gave me his address and and

he's now got it so there you come it's amazing yeah you know we even have a pop song inspired by a real event. I just thought with a made-up song, you know, like to do, Ryan. Yeah. But no, it's based on a UFO landing case here in the UK. Right. And you know, like you said, written in 10 minutes, all you need for your lyrics

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But this is probably one of the most prominent that I know of here in the States. And that is the Broadhaven incident. Like I mentioned earlier, school children involved. A lot of people know the Ruiz Zimbabwe case in the 90s. But this case actually is a little lesser known here. So if you don't mind, could you tell us a little about this case? Yeah, well, Broadhaven. I mean, Wales itself as a country, you know, there's only a small place.

It's the Western bit that sticks out from the UK. And Broadhaven, this happened on February the 4th, 1977. And as we were saying earlier, a lot of things seem to be happening in the 1970s here in the UK. And it involved 14,000. children, 14 at school, at the local school in Broadhaven. We used to call it playtime, but you know, it was a break at school. And they saw this silver metallic object, you know, land outside. And it adds some kind of thing on the top.

And I believe there were, I think, six of the children actually reported. seeing humanoid figures and they were silver suited and the only sort of facial description that these the children were described it they said that these creatures had big ears you know and fortunately they were all sat down and and drew pictures of these things and we have some of the original drawings reproduced in my book it was also reported to the Ministry of Defence here in the UK, who did indeed look into it, not extensively, but they did look into it.

The local police were involved. But other things were happening in and around Wales at the time. Lots of sightings. To such an extent that it got, this area got nicknamed the Broadhaven Triangle. So within this specific geographical area, there was a lot of sightings. but as I mentioned, throughout the UK in the late 1970s,

there were a lot of weird and wonderful things. And I don't know about you, Ryan, but, you know, I've lectured at schools. And I find the youngsters, I probably ask the better questions than the grownups. And of course, most of them don't have the vices that we adults accumulate down the years. And they can be very honest. I mean, you know, I've got two daughters, and I take my youngest daughter when she was little, she would be so honest, she was blunt, you know,

because she said, well, you always told me to tell the truth, Dad. And I said, yeah, I know sometimes, but if somebody's ugly, you don't have to tell them, you know. So, you know, so I think sometimes the children are the best witnesses, because they just say it as they, see it, you know, they haven't got the vices that we have. And that is a prime example here with Broadhaven. And it's sad, really, that it's kind of disappeared from the public domain. It would be, I haven't been able to do it, but I haven't tried, I'm going to be honest,

to speak to some of these children now that they've grown up, I'm sure, you know, there were only youngsters in 1977. So hopefully, some of them would still be around. But it would be fascinating to speak to them now. Like I did with the children in Normanton, we found one of them was introduced to me, you know, just a couple of years back. And she still reported the same thing, Ryan. And I believe, like you mentioned, the aerial school citing in the 90s in Zimbabwe. They're all grown up on adults now.

And some of those have been interviewed. Westall in Australia in 1966, Shane Ryan's done a great job with that. and he's spoken to a lot of the children now that are adults and even I think one of the teachers was also involved at that time so school yard sightings if you like are a bit more common than perhaps we would imagine and and that's just one example is the Broadhaven sightings and there's lots of drawings that went with it I couldn't really have room to reproduce them all but I've put a good

example of them in the book. And I think observations by children, are fascinating. But when it comes to things like this, you know, people will always say, oh, the kids are making it up,

you know, what for? You know, it's usually one child or one child and his mate will come up with a crazy idea. And that's how it used to work when I was. You know, me and my best friend got up to some mischief,

but it was never the whole school. You know? So, but yeah, I mean, you're right. You're right to flag it up, Ryan, because it is a fascinating story, as are the other what we call school yard sightings as well. And it'd be interesting to see if in the coming years, there aren't a few more that come out of the woodwork. Are the contemporary ones that happens now or things that are,

you know, suck in somebody's filing cabinet and forgotten about? We shall see. We shall see. Yeah. Let's hope, hope for the best. Well, I want to ask you this, Philip, with a lot of these cases, you mentioned the high strangeness aspect, what these humanoids look like, you know, the craft landing and then taking off. But my big question, when it comes to any of these landings, that it seems the beings come out, maybe they hang around for a couple minutes and then leave. What do you think, if you had to guess, what is the purpose of these landings?

Are they surveying the earth? Are they here to invade? What do you think the purpose is? Well, if we come to a conclusion that way, we have to agree that these are beings from another world. And I would say we don't know as yet what these things are. Now, some people will know that I'm a publisher. I run a small outfit called Flying Dispress. And the second book I ever published was by a Romanian scientist called,

Dr. Dan Farkas. It's simply called UFOs over Romania. Dan's second book was his hypotheses of what UFOs are. And he calls it hyper-civilizations. Because it's the very question, the very thing you just pointed out there that puzzled Dan more than anything

is that he calls them the euphanauts do stupid things. You know, they come, they fiddle around and they're gone, you know, leaving the poor bemews witnesses behind scratching their heads. And

what he, his, I'm not saying he's right or wrong, I'm not saying I agree with him, but it made me think, he said, he honestly believes we are being visited by an intelligence not of this earth. Where it comes from, how it gets here, no idea.

But on the evolutionary scale, he estimates that it's not a few thousand years in advance of us. It's actually millions of years in advance. And no matter how hard, you know, we humans try, we're simply not able to understand it. We're not high enough up the evolutionary ladder yet to figure it out. And it gives an idea, it says, you know, you take a flat screen television and stick it in an ant's nest.

Now, the ants will know it's there. They'll crawl all over it. Maybe some of the soldier ants might even attack it. But never in a million years will they be able to figure out what the hell it is, what it's made of, and what its purposes. So maybe on that scale, we are the evolutionary ants. You know, that is the difference between us. And of course, that's one of the parameters in the Drake equation.

You know, the astronomer Drake and about the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe. and one of them is the age of civilizations. That's one of the things that make up the Drake equation. Now, we as a species, never mind as civilization, we have as a species, I've only been around in the blink of an eye. The dinosaurs ruled the earth for millions of years before they were wiped out.

You know, mankind is, you know, we haven't been here for two minutes, really. So you will imagine, let's assume that we don't wipe ourselves out one way or another, that mankind survives for the next billion years. What will we look like? What will our technology be? I mean, forget Star Trek will beyond all that. You know, you look what we've done since the Wright brothers first flew at Kitty Hawk.

You know, within a generation, we went from flying at Kitty Hawk to landing on the moon. So, you know, you've sick a billion years on the top. of that, I just think what will be like technology. And it says there may be a civilization or civilizations out there already at that point that they evolved or were created whichever way you want to believe, you know, a billion years ago. And they've stumbled across us, you know, swarming about on this little planet, you know, and shown an interest, but we're too dumb to figure out what it is.

And it makes you wonderful. For example, you look, you could also look at the next most intelligent creature on earth is the dolphin. And scientists believe that the dolphins have a rudimentary, rudimentary language. But yeah, we can't say hello, Flipper. How are you doing? What do you feel today? We can't teach you to jump up and catch a fish, you know. We can't converse with them.

You know, and what do they? So we don't know, when they look up out of the water and they see us, what they, what, do they think, I mean, they're self-aware, you know, I think, therefore I am. The dolphins are self-aware. What do they think about us when they're looking up out of the water? You know, imagine that in a, expand that between us and another civilization elsewhere. So I don't know, but it just made me think. It really did make me think.

And because if you think about it, if we, if you, and I were astronauts and we landed on a planet and we found another civilization, another life form, we wouldn't just piddle around and then leave it, you know? I'm out of there. You know? Good point. Yeah. But it's a good analogy, yeah.

Yeah, it's just, it's just food for thought. And all I would say is to anyone, you know, the information is out there, just pick it up, have a look at it and draw your own conclusion. you know and I think you know people like me and my colleagues one of the things our purpose is to record this information though that hopefully somebody somewhere will be able to make sense of it all it's a bit like the early astronomers you know they were recording things people saying I don't know what this is you know for example you know I think it was 150 years ago stones couldn't fall from the skies you look up into the sky right and there's no stones there

is there? It's clouds and rainbows. But I think there was an event in the early part of the 19th century in France where a lot of stones did fall from the sky and it forced the astronomers to admit, yes, we do know they fall from the sky, but we just don't know what the hell they are anyway.

So maybe in euphological terms, we're at that point now. We know that UFOs exist. We know there is a UFO phenomenon. but you know we've got one of those rocks that's fallen from the sky we finally admitted it but we don't know what they're they come from what it is what it's made of what its purposes etc etc etc i may be totally wrong as well of course but it's it's just it's just an idea i know i love that you're building off of what we can now accept and uh hopefully globally

uh begin to understand that yes there is a phenomenon you know, here in the United States, our government has said, yes, UFOs exist. Now it's a million questions that come after that, like you said. Yeah, here in the, our own ministry defense have always admitted. Always, you go back through the, the MOD files, have always admitted there are things in the skies that they can't explain.

But then they put a caveat on that. We didn't find, you know, there's no threat to the air defense of the UK, therefore we're not interested. And, you know, but they've always admitted those things in the sky they can't explain. It's nothing new. Yeah, very good point. Well, speaking to new, Philip, what can new people who, you know, might have one of these close encounters or see a craft landing?

What advice would you give to people like this if this does happen to them, if these things are truly happening? Yeah, well, I would say, you know, by all means report it. You know, there's a lot of different channels now where you can report things in confidence if required. A lot of the local UFO groups that used to be here in the UK have disappeared, but they're being replaced by other online assets where you can report things. Again, in confidence, it is vital that, you know, we add the information to the pool of knowledge that that we already have. But think about it carefully.

You know, speak to family members first. You know, if it's something so bizarre, so frightening, you may wish to report it to the local authorities. Even the police here are still duty-bound to investigate. And I mentioned there has been one full forensic investigation because of the gentleman in question. It was a well-known member of the local community, and that was, you know, in Livingston in Scotland.

And we know there are lots of independent UFO researchers as well. So you're able to do your homework like you couldn't do when I first started. You can Google somebody's name. You can have a look. You can see what they've worked on. And you're thinking that might be the right person for me or not. That is still UFO organizations like Moufan and others in other different countries, of course. And I would say, you know, step four.

forward. You don't have to go public, but by all means, share what information you have with UFO research. It could be another piece of the jigsaw puzzle that you're adding. You never know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know, I think you're right. The more people who come forward, the more we normalize this and the more data we can add to this growing mystery and maybe find some answers to some of it, maybe. Maybe not. not all of it, but hey, like you said, I'd rather have half the puzzle than no puzzle at all, at least in my lifetime. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I mean, to wrap things up, Philip, where can we find your book? Where can we find everything you're up to? And yeah, tell the folks at home how they can find you. UFO landings, UK, you'll find it on Amazon. There's a large format softback book. There's a hardback. there's a Kindle

and we're in the process of turning it into an audio book as well so that'll be ready at some point and you know all you know I've written a few other books but they're all there you just punch my name into Amazon you'll find them I have a little blog

although I don't write a lot on it I just put bits and pieces on it that's just flying diskpress.com that's disc with a K I'm on I'm on Facebook I'm easy enough to find you never forget this fat old boy's face once you've seen it, will you? Oh, stop.

Well, Philip, I have to thank you for coming on somewhere in the skies today and for all the invaluable work you do in this field. It's truly an honor to talk to you. It's my pleasure, Ryan. I can assure you. And let's not leave it so long until next time we speak. Absolutely, absolutely. You're great of protecting your data,

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