Somewhere in the Skies - UFOs 2021: Part 3

Episode Date: July 12, 2021

On episode 221 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, Ryan is joined by political analyst, co-host of the Fault Lines podcast, and creator of the Progressive Soap Box YouTube channel, Jamarl Thomas. With Capitol Hill, the Pentagon, and mainstream media involved with the UFO/UAP topic like never before, will this be yet another empty promise from the U.S. Government and their handling of UFOs? Or could this be a paradigm shift we've waited decades for? Thomas gives us his thoughts on where we were, are, and where we may be heading as we continue to navigate our way through UFOs in 2021. Subscribe to the Jamarl Thomas YouTube Channel: https://bit.ly/3e4wxC2  Subscribe to Fault Lines: https://bit.ly/3dxhnVs  Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com Somewhere in the Skies Subreddit: www.reddit.com/r/SomewhereSkiesPod/ YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Somewhere in the Skies Coffee! https://bit.ly/3mIAq2o Order Ryan’s book in paperback, ebook, or audiobook by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Episode edited by Jane Palomera Moore Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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My special thanks to all past and present patrons. If you want to learn more or become a patron, visit patreon.com slash somewhere skies. And now, let's talk UFOs. Today on the show, political analyst, host of the fault lines podcast, and host of the progressive soapbox YouTube channel, Jamal Thomas. This is Somewhere in the Skies with Brian Sprague. Jamarle, thank you so much for joining me for the very first time on Somewhere in the Skies. Absolutely, man. Thank you for the invite. Of course. I found you through Lou over at the Unidentified Celebrity Review.

And I've just been following your work ever since, man. And as soon as I heard you talking about UAP, I was like, oh, he's in now. He's got to come on my show. So, no, the pleasure is online. Well, it's funny. It feels like I've been invited in from the cold because I've done, I've covered the UFO UAP, whatever you would call it, subject for a while.

Yeah. But I never felt like I was part of any kind of community with it. It was just kind of like, okay, you're doing politics, but you're also covering the UIP and it's that. But it's its own thing. It's very weird. It's very strange.

But eventually when I felt like I was boiling from the cold in this kind of weird way. Like I interviewed Grant Cameron. I interviewed Stephen Bassett, but eventually I was able to interview Alessando, Nick Pope. Like I was able to interview some big names that was in the industry,

but still it felt like it was kind of on the outside. But after doing the live stream with Lou, it felt like David Beatty came on, Dave Beatty came on. He's been a recurring person. So yeah, it's been very weird and heady recently. I mean, because it does feel like, okay, you're part of the UFO Twitter community now. So I guess my point is, thank you for the invite. I appreciate it.

Of course, man. Well, you picked a hell of a time to really get involved and we will definitely get there. But my first question always for new time guests, and you're probably used to this one by now. How'd you get interested in UFOs? Where did your interest in this topic, this phenomenon? Where did it truly stubborn? If you're willing to share, I know I can be. I don't want sharing.

No, I'm not sharing. I've shared before. So I started this from the other side of the UIP thing. I wasn't with UAPs. I was in the new agey stuff when I was like 18 and 19. And it was kind of like when I was a kid, I used to have this thing where it would feel like something would walk into the room and sit on the bed,

scared the hell out of me. And it would do that for like years. As I got older, I got really interested in this notion of, is there something else? And coming across people who say, okay, there's such things of spirit guides. It's like, okay, is it real? And if so, how do you evaluate it, that type of stuff? And for me, it was always tested. It may be real on this kind of subjective level that you can't necessarily prove and this kind of, that type of stuff. And after like a lot of weird experiences, you know, you get into this mind space of, okay, there's something there, even if I can't necessarily touch that thing that's there. Somewhere along the way, I got really into this notion of, like, freak me out and my wife out of wanting to know about the UFO stuff. And especially when

I got more sophisticated about thinking about the previous experience I had when I was younger with like trying to find out with their spirit guys and that type of stuff. And, and, and, And for me, it was, okay, it's not enough to believe it. It's more so you want to know it. Like, knowing is different if that makes sense. Like, so my thing was, okay, I started to read everything. Like the aliens eating babies. I went through all that.

Oh, there's a secret base where they're doing experiments on human beings where they're jabbing and what's up. I want to do all that. And eventually, I got to the point of you believe what you can defend. Like, meaning it's no point in having this stuff out there where you can't. can't necessarily touch. There's areas on which you can base a particular belief set in which you can defend it. The other part of that was I still wanted to know whether it was real. And so just like the new agey stuff, my thing was, okay, how do you evaluate whether it's real? And honestly, when you really get into it, there is almost a one-to-one between contact methods

for spirit guides, et cetera, and contact methods for UFOs. It's one-to-one. I swear to God, even from the standpoint of abductions, when people are talking about abductions, well, if you've ever had an obdiction and oboe feel and sound almost the same, not in every case. Some cases, their physical phenomenon and everything else. And people hate it when people say that. But it is honest to God, true. I've had abductions. I've had this kind of contact with spirit guides where you're having this meeting and then there's these weird after effects and stuff like that. It sounds a lot like the UFO stuff. And so it's like, it's very, really heavy stuff. Now, that freaked my wife up. Because my wife was like, she was like, look,

because I was doing meditations and everything. I was, I was like, full board, like, all right, give it due diligence to see whether you can prove it. My wife was like, look, it's not that I believe it, but keep in mind, there's two of us here. And if anything happens, like, like, be aware, like on an off chance, that works. Just be aware, we're not, you know, we're not alone. It was weird phenomenon and stuff like that. But it's hard to nail down subjective experience from, meaning it's hard to know whether your subconscious or scoring with you. It's that. And so especially if you're not there with somebody else.

Like I remember I got pictures, but it's like, okay, is that photo stuff? And then even when there were times where I would see a weird thing in the sky, my wife was with me once in Egypt. And the other time she was with me and she was like, oh, I don't remember that now. I was like, whatever. But like, it's weird phenomena starts to happen. Like, even dream states get really weird. But beyond that point, though, that's how I got into it. I got into this like heavy headspace of, is it true?

Can you evaluate it? And just from our previous experiences of trying to evaluate the spirit got stuff, I was kind of in the headspace of, okay, is there anybody out there that goes with the notion of evaluation? Mission Rama, those one. Stephen Greer's the C.5, which basically is Mission Romah. And like I said, the techniques are basically the same. It's bizarre. And I think it's more bizarre for me because, for me, it makes me have to reconcile what did you contact?

It's that. Because it's like if you, the Spiragat thing was interesting. I came across, this is dating me, the psychic Sylvia Brum. And Sylvia Brown, people were like, God, man, she's so full of it. With one exception, though, she says, if you want to experience it, you can experience it yourself. Where for me, that's like, yes, let's do that. I mean, you've just told me something utterly phenomenal. And if that phenomenal thing is true, it gives you this kind of context on reality that we're missing something fundamental in the way that we operate.

And so I was like, all right, I bought a book, read through it, I think in one day. And I said, all right, let's do this meditation, like get that stuff started. And what I realized, after like a, maybe a month or so, that I had a fear hurdle. Like, I would hit this point where it felt like I was plugged into an electrical outlet. Like, it would feel like it was charged.

And I would freak out. I was like, okay, I screw that. And I would do that for like a month, like month on end. And but I kept doing it. And I would kept stopping. And eventually got to the point one morning where I am in bed. I am just kind of in the headspace. I feel like I'm charged into an outlet and I let it happen.

Just let it happen. And I hear something in my room and I say to myself, hello. I just say to my head and I hear something beside my bed say hello, a woman's voice audibly hello. The very next day, now at this point, I am so excited. I am flooded with questions. Like, who are you? What's your name? What's your name?

Yeah, I'm so excited. The very next night, I end up, I meet the person. female, older woman. And I am in this OBE state. Well, this is a lucid dream state. And I am just,

I'm, not to go through the experience, but I am standing there. I'm hyperventilating because I'm freaking out, because this is very weird and heading up, and I'm thinking of just me.

And so it's like, if you're just you're just you're just walk through a wall, you're like, oh my God, what the fuck's going on? Like, you're just freaking out. It's that.

Yeah. And I'm hyperventilated. This is my day, gives me a bag and says, go over there. And I go over, like a move over, I'm hyperventilating. And a woman comes up and she says, my name is so-and-so. I can't remember her name.

She says, I'm your ex-spositor. Now, this takes place when I'm like 19 years old. And I am blown away by this, like blown away in a weird, like in a mind-blowing state. And she gets closer and closer. And eventually I'm like, oh, my God, I'm about to be molested by this odor. But what happens is she merges herself with me. Like she, her body merges into my, meaning it's not a real body. You're not really there.

Like, or you're really there, but there's a body somewhere else that you know that there's somewhere else. But she is merging herself into you and there's this like amazing elation associated with it. At the end of the experience, she says you're evolving and she tells me that when she was there, she had to work out with her weight. Now, this is the one is a weird one. And I was like, what? How weird arbitrary is that?

But it's not arbitrary. At the time, I was freaked out about my weight because I had lost a lot of weight and I wanted to maintain the weight thing. But the way I looked at it, it wasn't this thing of, I don't want to tell you one way or the other, you have to choose. It was that. Because meaning if I say, hey, you need to work out. That's telling me something. And in the headspace that I was in at the time, it's like, oh, my God, she told me to do this thing. It's too much, right?

So with me, it has to be this kind of like gentle. This is what I did. Do what you want. It has to be that. I, like, I have poured over that experience and poured out every goddamn detail of that thing, like nobody's business. But the moment that you have something like that, your tenure on reality and what's true changes. Right. It changes.

The physical stuff. Yes. Purpose, all that stuff. And it's like, yes, you have a. point of view when you're arguing in a political space because at that point, I would make the argument that there is no God and in that context, because it's a political argument. I don't need the secular part of it. But from the standpoint of what I believe is different. And what I believe is I have no effing clue what she is. Now, at the time, I would say, that's my spirit

guide. And then when you think about it, it's like, oh, God, you're so naive. What does that even mean? What does that even mean? Why are you here? Who are you? Are you a figment of my subconscious? Like all of that stuff comes into play. The catch is I never knew what the word expositor met. I had to look it up when I woke up. I had to look it up. Like I literally, honestly, I forgot her name because I kept repeating the term expositor.

I was like, expositor, expositor. I had to remember that. Yeah. Yeah. I was clung to that thing like, dear life. And the first thing day when I woke up, went to the computer, plugged it in, exposit. Yeah. It's like when you get that, other stuff gets weird.

It's very bizarre. And I remember like that next two years, I would have lucid dream states back to back to back. It would never quit. And I got to the point where I realized, hey, can you call for the person? And it was like, yes, you can. Can you ask things? Yes. Now, the catch-it-coms at a certain point, it stopped.

Like within two or three years, the weird phenomenon stopped. And I got older and I started thinking to myself, okay, is it possible to do that in going, maintaining consciousness, meaning OBEs. Meaning, because with the OBE, you don't lose, ideally, you don't lose, there's a breaking consciousness. Whereas with the lucid dream state, you break in consciousness in which case you're aware, and then all of a sudden, but it's hard to hold on to the tenor for that. Right.

And so at some point, I started saying, all right, can I contact her on my own with a lucid dream state? I mean, with the OBE. And so I went into this thing, it was like, all right, mission number two, OBEs. Now my wife, my dear, my dear, my dear, my dearie, my dear. or poor wife has to go through all of these experiments, right? So it's like when I get in a headspace. And so I pushed for it.

I started doing, I started taking certain herbs like, like, or vitamins like nice and certain things that help with provoking or keeping consciousness or wakefulness. I started maintaining, what is that, maintaining a dream diary, all of those other stuff. I eventually got to the point where I could get into the state where your body. goes asleep and you are just kind of like keeping consciousness. You're like your body's asleep and you're awake. And it's like, all right. And then I realized I was still somewhat of a, can I curse?

Absolutely, man. I was still a bit of a pussy. And still I would back away from it. I would still get freaked out. Like, because honestly, it is very weird. Like you were, like, because what happens is as you, as your body goes asleep, your mind is still awake, you start. hearing weird stuff.

Like it's already weird because your body is asleep. But you start hearing weird stuff. Like for me, it was like hearing vacuum cleaners on the side. I thought I was hearing voices. I thought like it's very strange and it's so loud and it's so freaky that my first response

was, okay, yeah, fuck this. Like I had to inch my way to it and eventually I had to shame myself into going through with it. Like it was like, listen, don't be a pussy. Just keep going, man. Just keep going. you're already here. You're right here. Just keep going. And it's like, don't freak out. Just keep your head together. Keep your head together. And so it was that. And so eventually you get to the state where my eyes are closed and then I realized, hey, I can see the room. My eyes are closed, but I'm looking at the point, it's like, all right, don't think of anything weird. It was that. But at the point, we're saying, don't think of anything weird. You're fucking yourself over already. Right. Right. And at that point, it's like, all right, back out, back out. You proved, you made the case. You made the case. You prove your, you prove. You prove. You prove. proof of concept, proof of concept. It was that.

Yeah, I was the one that wanted to either demonstrate that it was false or not. Not because of posturing. Also, I wanted to know when knowing was different than just believing. Because honestly, people can be experiencing things and those things can be entirely true for those people. And it's like, no, it's not what they think it is, but it's definitely not nothing. If that makes sense. Yeah. That's like I got older and I got more cynical.

Yeah, I got more to the point of interrogating that stuff. And I, God, man, my questions would be so different. Like when I was younger, I was such a child. It was like, what's your name? What's he heard? Like, it was that like that type of stuff. Like, what are you? Instead of what is the meaning of life?

Yeah, right. I get it. It's like, you're just so shocked by, oh my God. I can't believe this is saying it was that. like this can't be true, this can't be right. Like if this is, but then when you think about it, why can't that be true? Like, all of this is weird when you think about it. We're just familiar with it.

It's a familiarity that brings on this notion that this is not strange. All of the shit is weird. The fact that anything is odd in and of itself. I mean, for God's sake. Like, the notion that atoms would cobble together, like inorganic stuff producing this notion of, is there something out there in the universe? Like, that's extraordinary. Like the texture of all this stuff.

All this stuff is strange. No, man, I had a bunch of weird experiences when I was younger. And so it put me in this kind of headspace of what's true. And I thought it was always strange that we were a ball hurling through space. And yet, nobody thought of thinking, hey, is it possible that there are the balls hurling through space with other beings on it? I just thought it was the weirdest thing ever. And it was like, no, dude, that's crazy.

That's conspiracy theory. So wait. So God made a vase around Earth. They made a ball around Earth. No, no, no. It's not that. It would have to be. It would have to be, by definition, almost.

It's like, if you think of the number of galaxies, and it's like expanding, ever expanding, ever expanding. And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's just us. It's just bizarre. And so then they would say, okay, well, maybe not just us. There are other things out there, but they can't get here. How do you know that? Well, our physics, say, your physics is 100 years old.

How do you know that? Well, I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson and I have God's knowledge of the universe. He's like, get out of here. And then you get the report and you're looking at them like, all right, what's your excuse? And they have no answers. Right. Well, oh, that's such a good connector right there tomorrow. I want to get your thoughts because thank you for sharing that origin story, by the way.

I know it's, you know, sharing experience. Like a superhero. Yeah, you are. You are, man. of it's crazy how I always love hearing how people get kind of involved with these things but you did run up it came out of the blue like it fell in your left it was this intense um unsettling strange need to understand and know all at once and it was like freaky it freaked me out like that just freaked my life it was freaky me out because it was stuff like I remember sitting one time thinking And this is real, meaning if there's a there there and there's something that is visiting this planet and this is, and you are accepting on some level, all right, if this is real and you're going through with pushing and pushing trying to figure out what's true, this is not like the spirit got stuff. Like this is more like there's a physical reality to this supposedly and you can get abducted. It was that.

It was, then you accept all of this as you go into the, it was all of that, right? it was very, very heavy, very, very intense. And then at some point it leveled off. And then at the point where he leveled off, it never leveled off to a point of zero. It just kind of level off to, okay, this is a balanced level of looking at the world with other stuff, et cetera, et cetera.

At the point where I got back into, got heavy into the political space, the UFO stuff never went away. Because honestly, to the level to which you could defend, there was a there. Like, even like, meaning not trying to contact anything, none of that stuff. Just from the standpoint of, okay, what's real? Well, there was a real there there to it and there was enough evidence to show there was a there there there to it. So from my

perspective, yeah, you can argue up to the point that you can defend. At the point where the report came out, oh, dude, the horse was out the barn. Yeah, like we're now at that place tomorrow. I think where that there, there, like you said, is now literally crashing headfirst into politics. And now the U.S. government is saying there's something there. We need to continue looking into it. So I love to get your opinion on that, man. The report drops. You were literally on a live stream when this thing dropped.

I remember watching this thing. And to see all of you guys like, like literally be like, oh, my God, it's here. I'm looking at the floor. I'm looking at the floor whenever at the report. Right. Well, it's okay. What are your thoughts on it? Yeah.

What are your thoughts on the report? I mean, I know a lot of people in the UFO community were really let down. and they were like, there's no photos, there's no videos. Yeah. What do you think about it? Screw that. Screw that. Screw that. The point of the report was to confirm and establish legitimacy. That was the point. It was never going to say aliens are real. But for all intents of purposes, the report is screaming, aliens are real. Or something is real that is in our space that is doing something that is breaking out paradigm. I mean, Chris Mellon just released the Nimitz foul, the report on the Nimitz. And it is basically, saying something is dispersing radar. It is making these massive accelerations left and right, like where it's making these movements, but it has no visible surface proportion and everything else.

It's not us. That's the point that the report that he's trying to make. And look, whether you say it's us or not us, the report has basically said, this is real. We have been lying for 70 years. The thing that we said wasn't real. The thing that we said was swamp gas. The thing that we said didn't exist is real. It's real. Confirmed it. Real. That's what the report is. It's confirmation. Now, I know people in the UFO community may say they want it more because in their heads they were already there, meaning they didn't need the confirmation. They were already there, but the report is not entirely for them. The report is by everybody else who wasn't certain, who wasn't paying attention and everything else thought this was the giggle factor and everything else. The report is like, no, the giggle factor is over. This is real. And as such, as the government of the United States, every alphabet soup agency stands. up and says, yes, this report, we're standing by this report. It's real. And on top of it's real, we are maneuvering the mechanisms of government itself to accrue information on this topic. It's a fascinating thing to watch. I mean, in all honesty, I mean, it's sausage making, but in a beautiful context. Look, personally, I think they already know. I mean, when you hear

Mitt Romney say, it's not Russia, it's not China. I don't think it's. aliens, it's like, dude, you've taken everything off the table. You've literally taken everything off the table. And I think Romney is every man. Honestly, I do. I think Romney is every person who says the paradigm that you've just added to the table, because that's what's been added. Meaning, think of all of the stuff that falls out of the UFO subject. That stuff is on the table. Whereas beforehand, they would never even acknowledge it being part of the conversation. That is major. Like, I know the UFO community wanted more, but I don't think they acknowledge the amount to which they got. Like, it is extraordinary. There is nothing that has been out like this. And so it's,

it's not even like, okay, we've seen something in the air. We don't know what it. It's like, okay, we've, just based on what they gave you, it almost eliminates certain items just because of the technology and everything else that's used. It's foreign. It's not, what they're describing is not what we would consider to be objects that comply to normal physics. So whether it's us or not, it breaks up paradigm. That's what I mean. Like, I don't think the community is acknowledging the extent or the amount to which they got. They got confirmation and legitimacy all at once. And that's something that they've never been offered. And so I think that's major. And now the fight at this point is, what is it? Well, if the UFO community is right and it's the alien hypothesis, well, that is the thing that gets meted out. What I think it's taking place is the slow walk to, confirmation where it's we're going to get the public acclimated. It is going to be one report after the next. There is no politician that's going to run out and screaming UFOs or alias. None of them are going to do it. What they will do is say, we need another report, which they're going to get in 90 days. And they're going to say, we need congressional hearings. We need congressional hearings, which is, again, they're asking for. And what they would do is use or disperse, let's say, the responsibility of acknowledging,

what it is onto an agency. But it's keeping matter from the standpoint of a politician, they don't want to necessarily come out and say something that they can be politically attacked for. What they will do is say, okay, we're going to have this agency looking to it. So the responsibility of coming out and saying one thing or the other is dispersed within the members of the agency,

a committee of 10 who are going to do whatever. They'll do that. And that's what they're going to do in this issue. They're going to disperse the responsibility of confirming on one report or one hearing after. at the next. So when it finally gets down to the end, it's the last thing, the last candy corn in the box. At that point, it's not any member saying it. It's the group. That's my thought. I could be entirely wrong on that.

I mean, unless they, you know, somebody pull back their lever and say, okay, screw it. We're no longer doing this until, you know, that can always happen. Well, if that's what they're doing, that's what it looks like. This episode is brought to you by Netflix. Most valuable promotions in Netflix are hosting a blockbuster. Triple headliner Saturday, May 16th. Rhonda Rousey returns to face fellow woman's MMA pioneer Gina Carrano in the main event. Plus co-main's Nate Diaz versus Mike Perry

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That's a good way to put it because I know a lot of this is about narrative. You know, you've got one side being like, they're not a threat, they're peaceful, we need to communicate with them. You knew it was going there, man. And the other side's saying, potential threat, we have to look out for this.

We need to build up Space Force, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So where do you lay in that? Is this, I mean, you work in Washington. You see these people every day in how they spin things, how they do things. Like, what are we looking at with this Pentagon thing? we like trust everything they're saying when it comes to this topic like yeah we're going to get another report we're going to have a hopefully kind of a permanent place collecting this data that the

doD said like but is that good like or is that just another way to kind of contain everything and also get money to like protect our our atmosphere from you know an invasion yeah what do you think of all that whole part of this so let's think I'm good and bad for the moment let's take it good and Because good and bad gets complicated. It does. And let's go with cause and effect. Okay. I do believe that you will have people who would want to maintain the integrity of Earth

or what they would consider the sovereignty of Earth. And that people who are in Intel may want to craft a narrative to explain how have you been lying for some of years. And that that narrative may be coming out with all of this. You know, the information is coming up. Oh, golly G, we just hit our head on this. We didn't know that this was a real thing. We have no idea what it is, et cetera, et cetera. And the fact of the matter is, if they do know what it is,

then they are managing the way this information gets released. Now, the catch becomes who's running the ball or what's being managed. I, look, I personally like Elizada, but I don't know who he works for. So that screws with me. Now, what I mean by that is, his mission seems to be to get the information out and to kind of yank and pull this information. So it becomes, okay, why now? Government tends to not do anything unless it has some kind of motive behind the reason that it's doing it.

Is it just, okay, we just, this is the opportune moment that we think we can get it up. Okay, why now? Also, these guys are spooks, right? So that screws with me, being that it's for the last, what, 70 years, these have been insane people who basically live behind again. And now a little of a sudden, they're saying, trust us, we're the people who've been hiding it for all of these years in life all of these years. So there's that part. So not knowing the motivations behind the people who are basically coming out, and just because information is being

leaked, again, in usual in political circles, when people are leaking information for an effect, we want to put something out into the public that the media will consume that will push a conversation in a specific direction. That's typically the point of leaks. And people who are typically pointing out those leaks. So typically people were managed by Intel. It goes both ways. The report it gets the leak. The Intel gets the direction in which they get to push the conversation. And so when you have the UFO leaks and it's like, okay, one drop after the next, after the next, after the next, after the next. It seems that somebody is trying to push something in a direction and keep the conversation moving in a particular direction and keeping this kind of churning going in mainstream media in order to push this information out. Now we, I, it's a yes, great.

I wanted this information out. By the same token, I look at it and say, okay, well, why now? And why the push for it? And what is the person's aim, the group's aim, in pushing this up, if that makes sense. Yeah. I get suspicious. I get, because I don't necessarily believe, like you have a situation like somebody like Breer who comes out and says, oh, the aliens are all hippies. And then you have Tom DeLong, the aliens.

are going to eat us. Both of these guys have entail sources. Both of these guys are getting information. And by my estimate, what I suspect is happening is that all of these people are being lied to on some level, that there's information, a flavor of truth in it with a sort of context dropped. At least that's the way it happens in political circles, like in media. They would say, okay, here's our view of the story. And there'll be a certain degree of context that's dropped in order to give a perspective or people in particular perspective. My fear is that. It's that part.

It's like, hey, we're going to give you information. Okay, great. And this information is something that you've got to have wanted for a very long time. Great. Is it all the information? Is it everything? What are you holding back? How long did you know?

What did you know and when did you know it? That type of stuff. It's like, you've been live for 70 years. You've been telling people that it's been swap gas. And you've known that it's been something else. This stuff has been going on since the 40s. And now you're saying that you don't know what it is. So I feel like even that is somewhat deceptive in regard to the information is coming out.

But I do think they're telling us on some level, some level of truth, if that makes sense. But everything is so in the black that it freaks me out. And so I guess my point is people like Greer would just the right idea. I would say, yes, Intel probably wants to maintain sovereignty of Earth from their perspective. It's first. Yes, this full spectrum dominant stuff That is part of our thinking of the globe I mean, it's why we, it puts us at conflict

With all of these other countries I don't know what that looks like On a global standpoint though That looks weird on the global standpoint Like America's dominance over Earth Like that looks weird The false black thing, I need a little bit more Than Varnavar and Bronze Secretary

If you're going to go there That's too big. Yeah It's just so big. like meaning I can go some places with you. I could say yes, the threat thing, yes. I can see the government wanting to maintain sovereignty, yes. I could see money being dumped into weapons. Yes, I can see all that stuff happen.

In fact, even under the best of circumstances, the moment that you say, okay, they're not us, you will have to have some kind of governmental or world or super governmental agency to deal with it. I mean, are you really going to have individual countries dealing with, you know, even, meaning even if you're not dealing with anything, the moment that you know about it, those structures have to be created. Hi everyone, my name is Andy and I host That UFO podcast. That UFO podcast brings you weekly content with some of the biggest names from around the world of UFOs, UAP and associated phenomena. Weekly interviews, roundtable discussions and breaking news podcasts with myself, regular co-host Dan, and sometimes special guests will drop into it. That UFO podcast is available on Apple. Podcasts, Spotify, and whatever you can download podcasts.

Already having hosted names like Louise Elizondo, Sean Cahill, George Knapp, Avey Loeb, Brandon Fugo, Ralph Blumenthal, and many more. I hope you come and check us out, and as always, keep looking up. You never know what you might see. I talked to a Chinese astronomer recently, who, you know, is working with one of the most sophisticated telescopes right now, radio telescopes in China. I think the biggest now since Arasibo fell.

But, you know, the big concern there was, okay, let's say China does, is the first to discover technosignatures or make contact. Like, would they tell the rest of the world? Or what message are they going to communicate with the aliens that we don't know about? That's my point. Right. The consequences at that point of anything become global. Right.

What space police are going to be policing all of this when it finally happens? if we're going to go down the Marvel route. So, wow. But that's what, but that's kind of my point. All of that now on the table. And, by the way, all of it is in the black that is on the table. Because the pinning on has basically said, all right, UFOs are real. But no, we're not going to give you any information on it. We're just going to tell you that they're real.

Meaning we're confirming this, but no, we're not going to give you any information beyond the confirmation. That's an untenable position, frankly. The public should be screaming at them. What do you mean these things are real? What do you mean they're in airspace? What do you mean this has been gone off for 70 years and you haven't said anything about it? Have you told the president?

Have you told Congress? When did you tell president? When did you tell Congress? Why have you been lying to the public? Like, there's so many questions that just fall immediately from that. And then you get into the weird stuff like, all right, what about abductions? What's in the crack? What about, like, you get all of this other stuff.

Because they've been lying for so long that you've put a paradigm change on the table now. And the paradigm changed honestly looks more likely than the other items. You have to deal with that. You have to answer those questions. Like, for example, all right, is it Russia or is it China? Which one do you think it is? And if it is Russia or China, how did they get the breakthrough technology? Why was the technology only used in a very specific instance of the craft, but not

necessarily within the context of their society? When do you think this breakthrough occurred? How is this breakthrough working? I mean, there's so many questions that fall out of this document that either need to be asked, that need to be raised, need to at the very least be engaged. And, yeah, I think the DoD has a lot of answering questions to do. But I think what it boils down to is, is it us or not? And I think it's that. That's the crux up.

That's why Neanderas Tyson is looking crazy trying to explain the physics of the crime. Hey, maybe the sensor is glitched. And I know people want to think of the lobster aliens. It's like, no, Neil. Right. There is a paradigm shift that is being broken, that our brave men and women in uniform are scientists taking place, that the sensors are picking up on,

that they are seeing visually and with technology. And it is not that people just want to believe they're aliens. It's that you need to explain the factors, all of the factors associated with the case, not just the ones that you like, all of the factors associated with the case. And he has no answers. And so it's like he has to come up with the lobster guide nonsense. Right. No, man, it's a fascinating, it's, I don't know, it's heady.

The ramifications are so big. There's so much implication to just simply putting this report out and saying it's an other. Because then, like you said, what do we, let's say they do finally say it's alien. Like you said, then what? What about all these abductions that supposedly happened? What about all these crashes? What about all these people injured by supposed it radiation or whatnot from UFO land? Oh, what's in the craft?

Just the very basic thing of what's in it. And by the way, they're staying away from that like the plague. Yeah. Because it's, because what's in it gets weird. Like, what's in it gets, it's so unknown. It's very strange. It's like they have an unknown, but they have unknowns within the context of the unknowns. And within one unknown, it's enough in the moment, right?

It's like, is there, they, there. And the report says, yes. And then it becomes, okay, is it us or not? And then the report just says, we don't know. We need more information. We need more information. We need more data. We need more assert.

But the people who are looking at the classified data comes back and says, that's not us. And like, it's like, Chris Mellon just dropped a report on the Nimitz case. That's not us. That's not us. There's no way. I mean, look, unless we had a breakthrough in our technology. And then the catch becomes, okay, over the course of the last, let's say, 50 years, has there been a change in the various types of UFOs that we've been seeing and perceiving in the airspace?

Now, the reason I ask that is because how did they get here? If there's a small craft, that small craft wasn't chucking around the galaxy, how did it get here? And if how did they get here, was there a manufacturing facility here? has it increased or changed over time? Like all of these questions fall out of this particular topic. And, you know, 50 years ago, this could have been data that they've been, could have been compelling. And on some level, I suspect they were compelling this data. That's why I don't buy this.

Like, I don't buy this rollout like, oh, golly, shucks. We just stumbled across UFOs. And, you know, I don't buy that. Yeah. I don't buy that at all. Yeah, I would have to agree. I'm one of those people in this field, tomorrow, who doesn't think. the government knows much. I think they know something. And like you said, I think a lot of,

all of this is being managed somehow, like you, you said earlier. But I don't think they truly know what they're doing. Well, that's the catch. They may not know much. Like, Elizano made the point of saying, like, see, his, that's what I mean. He is under certain rule sets where I think what he can do is he can give you a flavor of the truth about necessarily being specific about the truth. And so, you know, this thing, if you drop a nuclear sub back in 1540, would they be able to figure out how it is, even if you give them all the resources in the world to do it? And it's like, okay, well, yeah, they may be able to pull a door and start using it to club people in the head thinking this is the greatest weapon ever. But it's a door, right? So it's like, is it one of those things

where the government has gotten his hands on something? But it's foreign tech. It's not like Stargate, where they just go in and they just plug their laptop and a piece of foreign tech. technology and start tapping on their laptop and stuff happens. It's like, all right, how does this work? And how do we not die in trying to figure out how this works? Because you never know what, if that report is right, they may be using some kind of high energy thing to change gravity or something in order to move the craft in regards to the way the craft moves. And so there's no way to know what that would do and what that looks like in regards to how they're managing to figure that out. Now, are scientists gifted, yes. But if our scientist doesn't even accept some of the premises

that the technology is based on, our scientists are going to have a hard time figuring that stuff out. So, look, it is amply possible that, yes, we recovered a craft. No, we have no idea how that thing works. And if Grant Cameron is right, or Bigelow is right, where it requires consciousness to do it, we don't even consider that part of the equation. Yeah. We don't even consider, like, I've done remote viewing. Remote viewing was one of my other things I was testing out to see whether it worked. And there is a dare there, and it is very weird, and the question becomes,

if we had a civilization that didn't have these kind of, this strength of this, I believe, okay, thoughts of your childhood in your head, okay, what does it look like if your science studied that? Like, what if your science never had the bias against that? Meaning if you actually did find out, hey, there's something more to us than us, and this kind of tangible sense. If you have something that is built using that, I mean, even if you have something where you have technology, that interactive consciousness where it just reads your thoughts for the craft itself, we wouldn't even know how that begin. I mean, we don't have it.

Like we basically have like very beginning level technology that can read your thoughts like MRI scanners that could say, okay, you're thinking of a cow right now. Yes, I'm thinking of a cow. You got that now. But not something where it's like you're directing something with your thoughts. I mean, we have craft or we have technology where I remember the military pilots were working with their subconscious and they could find targets and stuff faster, where the ship, meaning the ship was engaging in a way where it could pick up on stuff that they didn't have in their conscious mind, but it was there.

Nonetheless, they were picking up in a subconscious way. Like it was stuff like that. But we're talking about something that we don't entirely get. And so it's very possible where it's like, yeah, we don't know how that works. Okay, we're going to investigate and we're investigating. We're investigating. And if Bob Lazar, no people hate Bob Lazar, but if he's right, and it's like, okay, we don't have a huge field of people doing it. And it's a small compacted.

Yeah, it may be slunted in regards to what we know in science. But that's just it. And that's kind of the problem. It's not transparent. It's not, none of this is transparent. Like, it's not like, okay. This is what we know. We don't know much.

We found this, et cetera, et cetera. It's real, blah, blah, blah. Have a good day. It's not that. And it's not. Okay, here's a craft going at Mach 10 and then makes a 90 degree turn

and then plops into the water and plops up and goes straight in the space where people are like, oh my God. It's not that. Meaning they're not trying to shockingly break and destroy utterly annihilate your paradigm all at once where it expands into like a split second.

Because the moment that you have technology like that, God, oh my God, think of what's possible at that point. And it's instantaneously possible. And they're like, yeah, we're not going to do that. Maybe we're going to bore the hell out of people. And do we say, okay, finally it's not a lot of us. And I'm like, yes, goddamn, we had already jumped to the bottom of the movie. But I hope you can have a point, though. It's a very, it's a very weird and heady thing that has just been added into our reality space. And I don't inquire it entirely think that people get it yet. Like, again, even, even, Even if it is us, it still breaks out paradigm, us.

Yeah. Scientifically, philosophically, politically, everything. Like, this would change everything if we had, like, just the simple answer of where it comes from. Well, not so simple, but just that question. Even if it is just us, that's what it is. Even if it was a situation where it's like, all right, we figured out a way to use electricity to mimic gravity, even if it was that. that fossil fuels yeah yeah i mean that's that blows away a lot of stuff that we've been using all of a sudden all at once that's what i mean whether it's us or not us it's groundbreaking

it's paradigm breaking like i don't need to jump to the conclusion of aliens even though clearly i think it's not i don't think it's us but i don't need to argue that it's aliens i only need to argue that breaks our paradigm either way we need to figure out what it is i love that that actually bleeds into my first listener question, Jamarrow, if you don't mind. So, you know, we talked about like this would be paradigm shifting. The technology being represented would

change everything. So now we see like China wants to do like a UAP task force, maybe Russia, other countries now want to be looking into the stuff. Of course, because America is. And then you have this whole idea of like almost like this new cold war

of emerging science trying to harness the technology these UAP you represent. And you have America now saying it's not our secret tech. We don't think it's Russian or China. So that doesn't leave many other answers. But

let me read you this first listener question from Jeff. He's a big supporter of somewhere in the skies here. He asks, do you think that anti-China and Russian sentiments are becoming kind of like a Neo-McCarthism? That will actually limit disclosure

and UFO transparency. Is this the way of kind of, you know, I mean, painting a picture of our adversaries, I guess. So that's an interesting question. I mean, like the UAP thing, on some level you would think will force the countries to work together on some level. You would hope by unifying it. Yeah. Because it's like how do you quantify, like if you say like the military is the entire context of this is being shaped through almost a national security context. And so if you say, okay, we have all of these sightings and we have these sightings and these military bases. Okay, how do you know that that's the majority of sightings?

Like, you could be coming out with a wrong conclusion based on your context, like a hammer, looking for a nail. Like you could say, okay, they're hanging around on nuclear facilities, and they're buzzing our ships, and they're doing this. But if you take a larger sampling, just say of all the United States and all the sightings, that may be a small subset of the places where those craft are. May or may not be. But there's no way for you to know, and then you have a larger subset that is beyond just the military of capacity. cities of your country. If you're thinking about that from a standpoint of earth, which again, if you are trying to discern whether it's you or not you, you're going to need more than just

the people or just your country. Meaning you have to discern whether it's Russia or China. On some level, you do have to work with them in order to figure out whether it's them or not. You can just make accusations like, oh, it's you doing this and everything else. But the fact is, they may be having the exact same issue that you may be having. And the only way for you to really know that is if it worked with them to do so. And so it's like you would need that capability of saying, all right, are you guys having this issue? Yes.

Okay. Are you guys recording your sightings? Yes. Okay. What happened? And you would need to correlate that stuff by the same token. Domestic matters and everything else are going to take priority now. And even like I said, four matters now.

But also the UAP thing is not, it's not real in the sense of real. It's just real. And right now, that Cold War stuff takes heavy, much more priority. Meaning, like, for example, the United States considering China, from the U.S. perspective, anything that goes that is taking our station either in a political space, either in an economic space or in a militaristic space is a challenge to what we consider to be our domain of world, rigidity. And I think that's true. In fact, it's not that I think it's true. It is true. And so when you have somewhere like Russia or China, our military policy on some level was to not have any other country like the Soviet, you know, where they can challenge our domain. And so having a country like China get to the point of

its tech dominance or its tech growth and its economic growth. Well, economic growth allows cloud. And that level of cloud is not necessarily something that we like on a geopolitical stage. Also, beyond that point, from Stanford to Russia with selling weapons and everything, else. It is no longer the country that basically collapsed. It is a country that is basically grown and developed a sense of the zone, especially southern militaristic capability. And so it's like those two countries are basically

fused themselves because of the way we've attacked both. We've called what size? China's committing genocide. Oh my God. We've called Russia, everything but a child of God. And now we're shocked that the two countries have basically gotten closer and closer together. So, yeah, from a standpoint of us, look,

the hostilities, honestly, really need to down. And I think that was the meeting between Biden and Putin. From standpoint of China, I don't know. I mean, like, that's the wild card with a lot of the stuff. How does a UFO issue hit if it really hits? And does that throw all of the stuff on the sidelines where it's like, okay, yeah, I know this stuff was important, but this is now less so. But it depends on how it hits. I mean, if it's kind of just stays in a background, then no, the issue is not going to have any kind of relevance of regards to the way they're talking, at least not on an overt level that we'd know about. But if it does it, if it does hit, then that's different. I don't know what that looks like.

Like, I don't know what it looks like on a day where it's like, aliens are real. And people are like, you know, freak it out. Some people like dancing on the ceilings and stuff like that. Other people are like just terrifying behind guns. It's like gun purchases of skyrocketing. 50%, that type of stuff. Yeah. I don't know, man. It's a complicated question. That's a good question. It is. There's a lot a lot to it. Well, okay, here's one more political listener question for you. UAP technician on Twitter asks, in this political climate, could a politician run on a UAP disclosure ticket or promote a partial disclosure platform and still be successful? No. But what they can do is run with this notion of, look, this is the national security issue that we didn't know about. That's an issue that they are on, but not as a major issue.

Like Rubio can't come on and say, I think aliens are real. He can never say it. Rubio will come close and he would come out in his document saying, now that this report is out, again, the report is the thing that allows a diffusion of responsibility so he doesn't have to take it all on his own. Now that this report is out and all of these agencies have signed up to this report. We and our brave men and women have been reporting these sightings for all of these years that it's truthful. Meaning right off the bat now he can say what they've been reporting is real. He can say it now.

The report is out. he would get to there, but you can't say aliens are real and when it's in a sea. You can't do that. Like it's too, meaning you could be castigated in too many ways. Like you could have your opponents putting out like giggle factor stuff

in order to like screw with the opponent, like screw with you. You can't do it. What you can do though is say, look, this is a clear national security issue. Our intelligence services back this up and we need to see what this is.

You can do that. And you can run on whatever campaign you're doing with that being an excited issue. And Rubio is going to be the test. He's running a, this campaign now and his campaign is basically that. This is national security. We need to do that. Now, the question is, is this opponent going to hit him on that? Is this one of going to ask answer questions on it herself? And so I don't vote Republican. I'm not in Florida. But this is one

those cases where I'm like, oh, God, I kind of don't want Rubio to lose that seat. I don't want him to lose that seat. It's like that one, it's like, I'm not a single issue voter, but on this I feel like, oh, we could we could take the hit on other issues. Rubio needs to stay there. It's like that. But yeah, I mean, I don't think you can run with it as a singular issue. No, I do think you can run with it as a secondary issue. Yes. Okay. Well, kind of playing off of that, last political question, I promise.

Oh, you're fine. So, like, you know, it's no, it's pretty obvious when you look at, like, who's really covering the UAP topic in the mainstream media the most. Why are right-wingers the ones that are covering this? Thank you. That is my question. Why is this a right-wing thing mostly? why are they willing to go there? And yeah, why do you think that is?

Why aren't more Democrats or people on the left really covered this? Man, I've thought about this. And I am not entirely sure. I think my first thought, well, if I'm being bluntly honest, the left are more empathetic and care more about specific issues. So, for example, the left would say people should have health care and they would cry on the flag for people who have health care. or they would say people should have Social Security, people should have, etc.

And in doing so, what they're basically is bathing in the pain. And I'm not saying that in the negative. I'm just saying this is the way we frame the world. This is the way we look at the world. There's pain in the world. We need to lessen the pain in the world. We need to deal with these things that are tangible, physical, and get rid of the rough edges of our society.

And if you're thinking in those terms, then aliens might not apply. like it's it's so straightforward in regards to this person is in pain this person is an injury I need to give rid of that pain somehow I need to ensure that person is money in their pocket and ensure the elderly person has a decent life that type of stuff and so it's like when you get to aliens that stuff is woo it's kind of out there it's almost like a religious thing in the way that they may frame it or look at it in their heads the right wing doesn't have that issue I mean they're less inclined of okay they're hungry people yeah so what and so you get to

UFO thing and it's like, hey, that's interesting. Look, I am totally spitballing. I'm talking out of my ass. But that's the way I came. That's the only thing I came up with. But I have no idea in real, like, cosmic, God honest terms what it is. It's just very bizarre. Like Tucker Carlson covers it all the time.

Sager or in what Rising, he used to cover it all the time. Daily caller and some of the other ones. But it's like you get to left. We need it. It's just me. And it's like, why? How weird? How weird is that?

Actually, that's my next, my last listener question. Lou, over at UCR wanted to know. Like, what are your colleagues at Fault Lines and everyone think about your kind of aggressive curiosity in this topic and what you guys do? What is that? That's how Lou, that's how Lou framed it. I'm not saying it's aggressive. No, no, it is.

It's damn aggressive curiosity. And I think that's good. Yeah. I, so I think I'm the only one on the network that really, like, hit that bell hard. And I didn't know what my boss thought. I was like, all right, I'm not going to say anything to him. If he said something to me, fair enough.

But it brought me on the channel. They knew I had my own channel for, like, three years before I ever came on the channel. And they knew what I covered in coming on. And so it wasn't like, like, they don't push you to cover anything. Believe it or not, you cover whatever you want. It's you, right? but you need to be able to cover like recent news and whatever position you take, you need to be able to defend the position.

That's the main top thing, right? And so I sheepishly started going into the UFO stuff. And I was pretty defensive about it, actually. I remember when Shane and I first started working together and the UFO thing came up. And I was like, yeah, man, well, I'm going to cover this topic. If you don't like it, we can go to the management and talk about it. It was like hardcore. It was like, whoa, whoa.

And I was like, all right, bring it down, tone it down. It's not that bad. It's not that serious. It's not that serious. Like, it's like, it's falling for a fight over, right? Shane was in a position of like, all right, I don't buy this. However, I'm open to hearing you out. And as I would make one argument after the next, he would be like, all right, it sounds

like there's a there there, but I'm not entirely there. When the UFO report came out, he says, all right, you're not crazy. You're not crazy. He was like, all right, fair enough. And he says, everybody would have to be lying for this to be wrong. Like, he got, he was there. And he was like, by process of elimination, I don't think it's us. Like, it was that, right? It was like, meaning by one argument after the next, he was brought into this notion of, okay, fair enough. He was never scathingly against it. But he became more, it's like, okay, fair enough.

I think this is they are there. I don't know what it is, but there's a there there. Fair enough. He became there. My boss was more like, yeah, they don't know what the fuck that is. I was like, whoa, fair enough. I can accept that. I can accept that. I was like, I'm good with that. Like, I don't need you to jump. Like I said, I don't need people to jump to the conclusion.

They're aliens. I just need people to realize there's like, they're there, and that there's a question, and that that question needs to be answered. And you need to understand and answer that question based on the facts that we have available to us, meaning you need to explain that case. You need to explain all of the data associated with that case. You need to come to a conclusion, and it can't be, you know, magic. Like, it's none of us.

It's not. not us, not the Russians, not the Chinese, not aliens, not anything. It's like, all right, dude, they've just established that they are there, so that's not one of the options. You need to choose one of the options. Yeah. Like, it's that. No, they weren't, they weren't, nobody stressed me on that.

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some just have a burning curiosity. Or, yeah, there's so many reasons to be interested in UFOs. So, like, what do you want out of this, Jamar? The entire UFO question. And where we're at right now, what do you want? Do you want answers? Yeah, I want to know what's true. Yeah.

I mean, it's that. Now, the catch becomes, you know, can you handle the truth? I just want to know what's true. I think people are pretty adaptable and flexible in regards to how they deal with that information. At least that's what I think. I mean, why does anybody want anything, right? It's that stuff. At one point, like I said, I had this burning desire to know. Like, it was, it was weird, it was heady, it was out of the blue, it was pretty intense, and it was like, what's true, what's true. And it became that. And that's kind of where I am

with this. I want to know what's true. I've become less, I've become more pensive about it, If that makes sense. Because now this stuff is in physical matter reality. Like this is not like, oh, we're just thinking about these things and talking about if disclosure happens, etc., etc. Well, you have just had confirmation and you've had your government basically changes systems in order to accrue data and everything else over UFOs, basically an exfow's division created. And done so in the open with all of an intelligence service is signing up saying, yes, this is us. Like I said, Mellon just released another document, given me. basically technical information

of an assessment of the Nimitz thing. Your government seems to be doing this. And so it's like now this is real. Anything that happens is real. If you spook the public, that's real. If you go out screaming on Fox News that aliens are eating babies or attacking America,

that's real, especially if they take it and they run with it and they get stuck with that point of view as this happens. Meaning, it's no longer this conceptual thing anymore. Everything that happens from standpoint, this point on this topic is legit. And if people want to make the argument about the alien hypothesis, fair enough. And if that hypothesis come to fruition, fair enough.

But again, you're stuck with the paradigm shift. I think that's the part that's mind-blowing to me. And it's like the ramifications of it are so big that it's hard to wrap your head around it. It's like everything from science, technology, engineering, philosophy, hue, humanity, who humanity is in the grand scheme of this kind of larger space as opposed to being this single actor dancing about on stage on a cosmic stage. Like all of that stuff changes.

What does it mean for science and tech? I mean, even under the best of circumstances, you're probably looking at a world that starts to get closer together in regards to organization, not people, governmental forces. Even this notion of, okay, how are we going to accrue the resources of the planet in order to deal with planetary threats? meaning under the best of circumstances, military is going to get a huge amount of cash,

meaning it doesn't have to be, we're doing this for the military to get a bunch of cash. For the military to get a bunch of cash as it comes up and realizes, oh my God, we're so far behind. We have to catch up. Science, technology, all this stuff is going to radically change. What the world looks like after that, I have no goddamn clue. And that's kind of my point. It's a paradigm shift in epic proportions. What does it look like when a person can live in China and work in,

New York because the device gets it from point A to point B in let's say 10 minutes or 20 minutes because of the speed I wish they can go for point A to point B. What does it look like for laws in regards to space? Like all of that stuff changes. How do we engage with something if we don't necessarily even know what the thing is? Because just because we realize, okay, there's something there. It doesn't mean we're engaging with it. Like it doesn't mean that we're, oh, we're making open contact down.

No, that doesn't mean none at all. It just means there's a there there. okay, there's something. We don't know what that something is. Like you say, we may not have any clue on what that stuff is, meaning the government might be in the dark itself. I still think the government is always

going to withhold certain bits of information, but it may be in the dark to a greater degree than we think they're in the dark. And so all of that stuff just changes. Like we don't need to know how they got here. We don't even know if they were already here as we evolved, meaning that stuff might have just been, hey,

no, we've always been here underwater. from elsewhere. Like, all that stuff is in the dark. And I think the weirdest part is what does humanity become after that and knowing? I mean, physics, think of the physics for the moment. You have a situation where physicists are saying, all right, if something is here, if something is doing what they say it's doing, and we accept that. Okay, we need to explain that.

Well, what does it mean when physics get an answer to a question they didn't even exist it? And what does it look like for the technology that's created when they do it? And yes, a lot of this stuff is going to get dumped in the military because they're going to, in their heads, we've got to play ketchup. We got to play ketchup. And the neocons of the world are going to be like, we can't play second fiddle to these alien civilizations that's visit and earth and trespassing on our secret airspace or whatever they're going to say. But they're going to want to play catch up. They're not going to want to sit there and have something that is grotesquely out our technology. And when we find out and figure out how this stuff is done, and we will figure out how this stuff is done. Oh, my God. What does your world look like? And by the way, that's not just for military. That falls all the way down through your society, even in the way you see each other. I mean, how does Earth see itself at that point when it knows? Like, it's just very wild and very handy to think about, and that's been put on the table.

That's the point. That's the point I'm trying to make. Like, for whatever reason, the left doesn't entirely get the gravity of what has just been added it to the table of possibilities. It's that. And even if you say, okay, well, let's assume that it's us. Okay, fair enough. But you just have still technology that is doing something that you need to figure out what it's doing.

And somebody's using it. And they need to explain who's using it. It's that type of stuff. So, no, man, I think the gravity of this is phenomenal. It is. And the questions are being asked, like you said. And they never were before. No, they never asked before because it was never real.

That's the one of making. The UFO community hates that. It's like, yeah, dude, we already knew that. But the rest of the world didn't. They just made it, this is real. There's a there there to this. And so the questions are being asked now because now you're talking about a real thing.

Yep. It's different. Title of the episode, there is a there there. I love it. Last question, of course, Jamarrow. I got to ask, where can we find everything you're up to, man? And, yeah, what do you got going on lately? Oh, so YouTube.

I'm still on YouTube channel. Okay. at Jamarral Thomas, just my name. And I do fault lines that's on radio, Swutnik, that's here in Washington, D.C. And, of course, I try to, you know, I've been graciously added to the UFO community, so part of UFO Twitter and all that stuff.

And so you can see me at the Prague Soapbox on Twitter. Perfect. And, dude, if I can say anything, it's so refreshing and it's so awesome to have you in our community now. We have desperately needed new faces and new voices, and new questions being asked to these phenomena that, you know, we haven't found answers to in the last 70 years. So thank you for asking those tough questions. Thank you for approaching this topic the way you have.

And thank you for joining me today. Thank you, man. I appreciate this. Honestly. Thank you. Somewhere in the skies is produced by Third Kind Productions in association with the Entertainment One podcast network. So Pluto's not a planet. Pluto's not a planet.

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