Somewhere in the Skies - UFOs 2021: Part 4

Episode Date: August 23, 2021

On episode 227 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we welcome actress and UFO enthusiast, Karina Yzobel. Yzobel is an award-winning stage/film/voiceover actress who is also very active in the improv scene with credits from UCB, Groundlings, Acme Comedy theater and LatinX. When she's not acting, she also has a keen interest in UFOs. Today, she joins Ryan to talk about her journey as an actor, what role Hollywood plays in perception management and dissemination of UFO information, and her personal thoughts on everything UFOs in 2021 and beyond. Follow Karina on Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/spacecadet_gal/ Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Somewhere in the Skies Coffee. Use promo code: DARKSKY for 25% off your order! https://bit.ly/3mIAq2o Order Ryan’s book in paperback, ebook, or audiobook by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Somewhere in the Skies Subreddit: www.reddit.com/r/SomewhereSkiesPod/ Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Episode edited by Jane Palomera Moore Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague. Welcome, everyone, to a very special live stream edition of Somewhere in the Skies. I am your host, Ryan Sprague, and we have a really special guest today. Someone I met through the entertainment industry, and then I learned that she also was a huge UFO nut like the rest of us. So I had to have her come on the show today. We're going to talk all about her career as an actor, how she got interested. in UFOs and how the two worlds seem to connect in many different ways.

So that's going to be really fun. We've got Karina Isabel coming up in just a second. But before we do that, this is a YouTube live stream. So put your comments in the right hand side there. If you're watching on Facebook, you do have to give Streamyard, the program we use permission to show your comments. So go ahead and do that when prompted. Otherwise, I'm going to be taking your guys' questions.

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Karina, welcome to somewhere in the skies for the first time. Hi, thank you. Thank you so much. Of course. Of course, like I said, we kind of met through how most people do these days, through Instagram, through Twitter. And we kind of ran in the same circles when it came to, you know, all the UFO stuff. And then I learned that you were an actor as well in Los Angeles, which I was for a short period of time as well. Somehow found my way back to New York.

But that's a story for another time. But I have to ask, before we even get to UFOs, obviously. the bulk of this conversation. Can you tell us a little about yourself for our viewers, our listeners, what you do, how you got interested in acting? Yeah, give us the origin story how you became who you are today. The origin. Well, I was cleaning out all of my old childhood stuff. I used to write a lot of stories in elementary junior high and high school, all my school year, I guess. And I would draw all the time and I'm rereading all these stories. I wrote a lot about aliens and abductions and very existential matters.

I was like, I'm really smart. I'm eight years old writing about this stuff. And I feel like I've never had a sighting. I've never had any sort of encounter. I think it was just something, a curiosity I've always had and a thing that I've always felt in my gut to be true because it doesn't make any sense for us to be this little baby Earth and this vast space.

There has to be, it's such a lonely feeling to think that we are just it. Who's ever going to know that, you know, we built these amazing monuments or created a beautiful song or an art piece? Like, it's somebody out there has to see all of this. Right. And I hope that's what that, you know, that gold disc is, you know, that they sent out into the outer reaches of space. Hopefully they'll hear our music someday and see our text.

television shows. Carl Sagan. Oh, thank you. I knew you knew where I was going with that. Yeah, I hope that aliens' first, you know, television broadcast is not Adolf Hitler like it was in the movie contact. But who knows, right? I don't know.

They put the fine construct structure on that disc, which is the universal math equation. So. Yeah. Who knows what's going to happen or when it's going to happen. Or if they visit it. We will definitely get to that. So what got you interested in acting?

How'd you become an actor? I mean, high school, junior, I was always a ham. I am a ham. I'm always making jokes. I love to make people laugh. It's my own little ego that if I can make you smile, I feel good. If I can make you cry in a positive way, I feel good.

I feel like entertainment should be educational, enlightening and exciting. It should just be a well-round. animal. And we love to tell stories. And that's why I love doing this because I love sharing information and it's a passion. So did you start then with stage acting? I know a lot of people start with theater, then get into film and then, you know, hop in between and everything. But what was like your first experience? Do you remember? Oh yeah. It's Girl Scout Camp and we did Snow White and the Seven Dudes.

Oh, there's a twist. What was that all about? We were wrapping little dwarves called The Dudes. I love it. I love it. And you do improv as well, right? I do. I've been doing sketch and improv for a really long time out here. I've been part of a lot of groups. And I love it. It's just off the cuff. It's witty. It's smart. You are having to pay attention so hard. And it's games. left and right. It's great. I love it. Yeah, I am, I can admit that that's not the kind of actor that I was. I used the word was, I should probably say is if I ever plan on going back. But like, I couldn't do it.

I remember improv classes for me. The whole yes and, yes and. I just, I couldn't, it wasn't for me. Like, I had to have the script in front of me and I had to like know exactly what was coming next. but I give so much credit to anyone who's able to think on their feet that quick, let alone make it funny. Like that just adds a whole other level to it as well. Yeah, it's just working a different part of your machine. That's all. That's all it is.

I mean, like right now you're improvising kind of, aren't you? That's a good point. Yeah, yeah. We're doing our little improv exercise tonight. Well, who were some of your biggest inspirations, like acting lives? Was there anyone who really, you know, you followed their work and you're like, that's what I want to do, like that style or, yeah. Gosh, I'd have to, I mean, there's not one particular person because everybody adds a little something to the pot, right? A little sprinkle this, the dash of that.

I mean, I can always say Merrill Street, the goddess that she is. I'm honestly doing a Val Kilmer marathon now going through his entire filmography. and he's such an actor's actor, he really is. So I love to do marathons like that. I'll do a Stanley Kubrick marathon and watch all of his movies and 2001 Space Odyssey one of my favorites, favorite movies.

It's just a little bit of everybody, to be honest. Right. And I understand what you're saying, because I would follow, like, I think when I was a kid, I thought the epitome of a good actor was Tom Cruise. Because I liked all of his movies.

Like, I think Top Gun was the first one I saw it. And I was like, that's it. That's the epitome of what a good actor is. And then, you know, as you start to see more movies or understand how an actor's process works, you're like, okay, there's a different ways to approach these things. Not that I still don't think he's a good actor. But, yeah, he's pretty good. Val Kilmer as well. I think he's very underrated.

Yeah. For sure. Well, I guess kind of staying on that whole vein of acting, what are some of your favorite roles that you've done? I know you've done commercials, TV, films, stage. A lot of mom. A lot of mom stuff. A lot of mom. A lot of mom. Honestly, a lot of improv characters that I've done, I did one.

Her name was Famali Mensa. She was an old broad. She was a Broadway singer that could not sing, and she was one of my favorite characters. I did Old Lady Makeup. I had a voice. I sounded kind of like Colombo meets Channing. What's her name?

Carol Channing. Okay. So I would do a little bit of a voice like that. She was my favorite. I also did a character. She was a mortician, really meek and demure, but she was a killer. Ooh, nice.

A little dead. extra thing going on there. Yeah, it's always the quiet ones you should watch out for. Yeah, yeah, that's for damn sure. Well, that's so cool. I, again, I miss acting and I don't get to talk about it much. So you're kind of my punching bag for today to do that. Most people know me as the UFO guy. So it's cool to stretch those muscles a little bit. Let's see. We've got a bunch of people in here saying Hello to Ryan and Karina. Welcome everyone to the chat. Let's see.

All right, we're all cut up there. All right. Well, let's move on to why we're really here, Karina. UFOs. No, again, we started talking about acting. That's how you and I connected. But UFOs is where I think our real conversations were really to be had. And again, that's why I was like, got to get her on.

We got to talk about this in front of people. So let's do it. Let's dive right in. You said you wrote short stories and stuff about like UFOs, aliens and stuff like that. But was there anything else that really got you interested in the topic? I know for me, you know, it was a quintessential UFO sighting and then books and the X-Files. But yeah, what really drove you to continue to kind of study this topic from the periphery throughout your life? imagination, the curiosity exploration, just wanting, I want answers. I'm one of those people.

I want to know. I don't want to be ignorant. I just give me the answer and I'll go on with my life. That's all. Like flight of the navigator when that came out when we were little, that just, oh, it blew my world. I loved everything of it. I mean, and when you look at different people's encounters, and abductions. Some of that rings true when you watch flight of the navigator, like the type of

aircraft that was the type of materials what they found in Roswell, right? That magic metal. Right. That mysterious metal, that shapes and forms in different ways. That movie blew me away. Of course, X-Files. Like, we're X-File babies. Yeah. I know. We grew up right at the right moment, I think, in time, especially for like when I really was getting into UFOs. I remember when I got really into it, started, you know, talking to my parents about it. And they were like, calm down, Ryan. Like, don't go talking about this stuff at, like, family parties. People are going to think you're crazy.

And then I saw the X-Files. I'm like, oh, it's cool to like UFOs. Yeah. Which ebbs and flows. But so you were an X-Files fan. Hands down. And I'll say this. I'm more of a sculli with a mad touch of Mulder.

I will always lean more towards the science and logical explanation as far, you know, not going too far into space with my thoughts. And I always try to go back to, I think it's called the sailing rocks of California. There was a mystery of how these rocks in the desert were always moving and nobody could figure it out. oh, it's just ice that would form. And as the ice was melting, it was moving the rocks. So really, a lot of our answers are just so simple. But we don't want simple sometimes. Right.

So we create these theories, conspiracies, hoping to fill in those missing gaps. And plus, it's just exciting. I mean, I love this stuff. Yeah. It just makes our world a little bit more colorful, doesn't it? Absolutely. And I'm so happy you brought up the idea of, you know, wanting something more.

Like we want to make sense of things. And that's kind of why conspiracy culture, I think, has kind of exploded in the past few years, which we'll touch on a little bit later in the show because there's a couple of conspiracies that we talked about off air that I want to get your thoughts on. But this idea of, yeah, is there more out there? And I think, you know, when it comes to the X-Files,

every episode, it was kind of Scully's job to, like, bring Mulder back. down to earth and be like, we can scientifically explain this. And I think, you know, the first couple seasons, they really went out of their way to be like, Scully doesn't see any of the weird stuff happening. She comes in right at the end after it's gone. And Mulder's like, you missed it again. And I think it kind of became like a little too much of a tongue-in-cheek trope.

And they're like, okay, we got to kind of, you know, mix up this formula a little bit. And I think as a series went on, she became more open to the possibilities of what Mulder would you know, bring to her. And vice versa, he became more skeptical, which I think you're right. Somewhere in the middle of Mulder and Scully is where I think everyone should kind of be when it comes to this stuff. Whereas I come up from the opposite side of you, I like, I'll believe everything until it's proven to me that it's not real or that it can't scientifically be explained. So that's interesting. We kind of attacked X-Files from different angles. Well, what were some of your other, like, inspirations within Hollywood when it came to this whole topic? Ooh, yeah, close encounters.

Of course. You know, it's all about the frequencies, the music that they were playing, just that drive that Richard Dreyfus had to go to this mountain. Like, we all are leaning, we're all driven to something for some reason to try to find a purpose. Oh, that movie was just so well done. I wanted to be on that mountaintop. So badly. Yeah, that was, that one really came to me late in life, and I kind of regret it. Because I, you know, I was a Spielberg fan.

Like, I'd seen E.T. I'd seen a bunch of his other movies. But I didn't really catch on to the whole close encounters thing until I really got into UFOs. And, you know, that movie had so much basis in reality. It's clear. I mean, they even had, you know, the former astronomer who worked for Project Groupbook, J. Alan Heineck in the movie. And it was like, if I'm remembered correctly,

Close Encounters of the Third Kind was part of the system that J. Allen Heineck had created within Project Blue Book to kind of look at these things. So that was a really cool shout out. And the part in that movie that always really gets me is in the beginning when the pilots are saying, you know, over the intercom, like, this thing just went past my plane and unbelievable space. speeds and they say, do you want to report a UFO? Do you want to report a UFO? And all of the pilots like in, you know, sequence are like, no, no, no, no. And that's kind of what frustrated me so

much about this topic is so many people have experienced it, but they don't want to talk about it. They're afraid of the ridicule that comes with a lot of it as well. So what are your thoughts on that. Like, if you were to see a UFO, like, tomorrow and, you know, close encounter, I'm talking like, this thing came down, you saw something moving inside that thing, would you report it? Would you, like, go, you know, Instagram live and like, be like, like, I would lose my mind. I would be calling everybody, Instagramming, Facebooking, whatever social media, I'd be like, you guys, you're not going to believe what I just saw. I have 100%. I have no shame. I have. I I'm not embarrassed.

Actually, yesterday, my girlfriend told me on her way home, she lives in Santa Clarita, so she's driving up the five. And she's like, yeah, I saw something. I was like, what did you see? Up the five, by those mountains. She saw a black huge triangle, like that matte color with one little light. She says it was so low. She cannot mistake it for a plane.

Impossible. She's on the freeway. Everybody's going super slow and 18-wheeler pulled over his head. was out looking out and he was just dumbfounded everybody people saw oh wow i mean so it's they're here we don't know who they are i just absolutely i'd be screaming from the mountaintop right well and that's the other thing they you know there's we now kind of live in an age where there is a there there like even our government is admitting yes these things are real we can't explain them we'll look further into it. So we'll get to what's going on in UFO world right now a little bit later.

But let's move back to Hollywood. I want to dissect some of these with you because we were talking off air about how Hollywood portrays this topic and kind of the, I guess the marriage that's always sort of been there between media and the UFO topic and kind of how the government has used movies, Hollywood, even news, for perception management in a sense. I mean, we had the Roswell UFO crash in 1947, and then almost not even three years later, we had the first, not even,

I think like a year and a half later, we had like one of the first Flying Saucer movies come out, which was literally called The Flying Saucer. So what other things in Hollywood, movies, TV shows, do you think really, really did this topic justice? Like gave it the credence it deserves. Yeah, absolutely. 100% Jillian Anderson, Scholley, her movie UFO.

Have you seen it? Oh my gosh, I have that one right here on my list. I'm so happy you brought it up. Top for me, because it deals with math. Everything is about math. It all leans towards equations, geometry. that's our universe. And I think it is so beautifully done.

And it concentrates on these kids that are trying to figure it out where they are trying to communicate through symbols and mathematical equations, which makes sense. Which will also go towards contact, right? The movie. How to build that Stargate was through mathematical equations. I wish I was a mathematician so I could understand All of these, I really do.

I think it's so fascinating. And I think contacts really hit it on the mark. As far as secret agencies like Bigelow, Musk, Bezos that are trying to get to space. You know, instead of the military going up there first or whatever. Secret money. This episode is brought to you by Netflix. Most valuable promotions in Netflix are hosting a Blockbuster Triple Headliner Saturday, 16th.

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I know I spoke to a Chinese astronomer recently who is working with the new fast telescope in China to try to make contact through radio signals and whatnot like SETI does here in the United States. And I asked him, I said, well, you know, there's a lot of tension between the United States and China when it comes to politics and military and all that. But is the sector of space exploration or the search for ET intelligence,

is that something we can all work together on? And he said, yeah, we always have, I think he said, Americans have this fear that like if we were to find that first message, you know, that we wouldn't tell the rest of the world, that it would be China's message and we would deal with it the way China wants to deal with it. And I know that is a valid concern for a lot of people out there, but he said, no, like, we built this telescope for humanity. Like, anyone can come here and use it. You know, you've got to sign up five years in advance to do it. But you can. You can.

So I think contact really hit on a lot of really interesting stuff. Carl Sagan was so ahead of his time when it came to telling that story. And yeah, yeah, what other ones? Anything else really. Well, that makes me happy that he said that, that it's for humanity. I mean, that brings me a lot of comfort because there's so much greed that just destroys a lot of potential. Yeah. That makes me really happy. I like, I honestly wrote down all these movies. I want it. It's so hard for me to remember things. I mean, ET, it's a classic. I, you know, I think kids are so pure and they have good intentions until the adult step into the picture and just like, oh, destroy, destroy.

I just, oh, that movie makes me so, makes me emotional. It's a very emotional movie. Yeah, especially that poor botanist alien being left behind, but it's like family.

Oh, my God. What did I mean? Hello? Why'd you guys leave me behind? Not cool. Not with these idiots. A rival, all about communication

and understanding, I think is just cinematically, beautifully done. Oh, my God. Yeah. I will never eat octopus or something. quit. That's a good point. You know, that one just, it hit me so hard. I don't know what it is,

but I think it was the whole idea of, you know, the power of language and interpretation. I mean, we saw that in contact too, but I think where a rival really stood out is how we communicate and how we, you know, we were, how it could be different for different civil. civilizations, you know, you and I are speaking through a screen together in English right now, processing what the other's saying. And like, that's it. There's the conversation. But you look at another civilization from elsewhere who might have learned how to communicate a totally different way. And it really makes you think. Like, how would we deal with if a UFO came down and we had to somehow communicate with it? I don't think it'd be as easy as, you know, do, do, do, do. do, do, do, do. Yeah, I mean, we could, like, write things down and be like, oh, God. I think it's, oh, it's so beautifully done. She was amazing, Amy Adams.

Another, my favorite is Wally. Oh, wow. That would never have crossed my mind. Why? Because I look at Americans as opposed to other countries. We just consume, consume, consume. That is the American life. You know, you always want to put on something pretty for that person or we're just a consumerism country.

And so you go to middle America or small towns and it's all fast food. Organic food, fresh fruits and vegetables is not available for a lot of these communities, especially the minority communities. So they just keep pushing in the sugar and chemicals, which does not develop different senses. that we need. And I think Wally encompasses how lazy and complacent we can get. And we forget to take care of Earth. And I, at every corner on this planet, there is litter and trash. And it breaks my heart into so many pieces. I mean, I started an Instagram page called Trash Tins and Sunsets, showing different parts of Los Angeles of all the trash and we're not what movies make us out to be, this beautiful palm tree town.

It has its moments, but over here you've got encampments, you've got garb. It's just, it makes me really sad that there isn't a bigger movement to clean our planet up. And I know there's people trying. Thank God. I really love these different agencies to clean the ocean,

and the forests. And I just feel like we should take more of a personal responsibility for that. And that's why I love Wally. I really do. You're right. You know, it touches on so many of those societal and ego issues that we face. And,

you know, I agree. I lived in Koreatown in downtown Los Angeles. And, you know, coming from New York City, living in New York City for like 10 and a half years, I came to LA being like, nothing can phase me.

Nothing can really affect me. And I just remember the first few months walking out of my building. And there was someone camped out like on the one little patch of grass in front of my apartment building. And then lining the entire, you know, curbside going down the street. And you go to somewhere like Skid Row. And it's that it's literally probably the worst thing you'll ever see and experience all those people. And you're right. There are those who do try to help and whatnot. But you always wonder, like, is it past the help of just a few people picking up trash off of the sidewalk anymore?

Yeah, it'll make a difference. Of course it will. But I think you're right. Wally sort of shows the overall issue of these conglomerants and these huge corporations that are the ones really damaging the planet and really messing everything up for the rest of us. It makes you almost feel like anything I do won't really matter, but it's not true. And I think Wally did a good job of pointing that out. It always puts that, this alien stuff always puts the mirror back on us. I don't know if you agree with that or not. A hundred percent. And that's what entertainment does, right? Yep. It holds the mirror and we have to hold each other and ourselves accountable. And it's, So we're so overwhelmed with the politics, with what's going on in the world, the news, the gossip.

Just all I can say is just focus on the five feet around you in your own little bubble, do the best you can every day. Pick up that little piece of trash. Just whatever's in your little safe bubble. And I think that's the most you can do for you and for those around you. Absolutely. It's so overwhelming. Let's just put that noise to the side. and do our circle.

Yep. Think of others. I'm talking to all of you out there. Oh, there's a good one. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Top favorite. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I'm going to be 100% honest with you. I went to see that in theaters and I fell asleep. You got to watch it with me. Okay. Yeah, we'll do one of those like, what do they call them? like watch parties or something on Facebook. I mean, I know the story.

I know like, you know, kind of the concept of it. But yeah, enlighten me as the ignorant one who tried to watch the movie and failed. What about that movie stood out to you? I think it's just so cleverly written. I love all the actors that are in it. The Bullgons, I think, are kind of like, do I want to say a metaphor?

to like how our government operates. A lot of paper pushing. Right, right. And just like contradiction and hypocrisy. I just thought they did a beautiful job with that. And I love Sam Rockwell. He's honestly one of my favorite actors.

I call him my third husband. Sorry, Sam. I think you're amazing. When he did Iron Man, his choice, there's a scene that he did with is it Mickey Wark in an airplane hangar and he's eating and you look at his hands and he had put sun tan lotion so his hands were all orange I was like I love you he's a genius yeah he was really good in um oh gosh what was that one moon moon yes did you see that one yeah oh god that it was such a like

Kubrick-esque sort of, um, set up. I think a lot of people have even said, like, it's a, the entire movie is an homage to 2001 of Space Odyssey. But yeah, the dude knows how to pick his roles. And I think he, um, he's made some really, uh, mind bending and, and humanity questioning movies for sure. Um, talk to him. I love him. Yeah, for sure. Here's another good one. Um, District 9. Yep. Because that just says how, we just love to control. Yep. Put the others into little places and it's a way to control them.

That movie really, you know, struck me too, not just as like an alien invasion movie, obviously. But yeah, it said so much about, I think, you know, the current state of America at the time and kind of the way it's continued up until today when dealing with foreigners. You know, the idea of, you know, we don't know, we don't know where they come from, what their intentions are,

but we got to make sure we control them to keep the status quo. So, yeah, a lot of good messages in that one. Oh, that makes me so sad. What else? What else? There's so many movies. I'm so happy you brought up the Gillian Anderson UFO one. Who would have thought, you know, right after X-Files,

she'd go on to do another UFO project. I mean, it's fitting. Oh, a good one is Vast of the Night. Yes. Yeah, that one, that was a sleeper movie. I don't think a lot of people really saw that one, but oh my God, that single track shot that they did. Cinematically gorgeous. The actors were phenomenal in it. Like I felt like I was back in that time being part of the story. The shot with the old lady where it was a side and then when she did her reveal, it was her full face. I thought it was just so smart. I loved it. I mean, I got goosebumps. I do. And that was made for $700,000. Right. And, you know, I, I tried to get the director to come on my show. But the dude is like a ghost online, which I actually respect. But like, I tried so hard to get in touch with this guy. And it was like impossible. And I was told he doesn't do many interviews. But I will, I'm going to reach out to somebody because I know somebody that was directly lined up. with that movie. Ooh, I knew you.

I knew you to hook up. I'll, let me, I'll make note and I'll get back to you on that one. Get back to me. Oh, someone said Vast of Night. I didn't expect to like it, but I did. It's so true. Oh, beautiful. Oh, so good.

It was so good. Well, I know there's a lot of movies, Karina, but I got to ask you about documentaries. Now, we talked a little bit off air about the recent J.J. Abrams, documentary series, UFO. And I know you literally, like, just watched it before we came on here. So we're going to get the fresh review right now. What do you think? It's J.J. Abrams.

So you know it's going to be beautifully done with all of his light flares. Lens flares, yeah. To make it very dramatic. I thought he pretty much covered a lot of ground, a lot of topics. I mean, he, what's the woman's name that, for the Phoenix Lights where she went and did her own investigating. Oh, yeah. What was her name?

Was it Dr. Lynn Kittai? Oh, gosh, darn it. I wish I had written that down. Or Frances Barwood? That's what it is. It's Francis. I loved her tenacity. And here's the government.

Was it the mayor of the town? The governor, governor. Gaslighting her. And so there it is, is the government and the military gaslighting us to everyday people. I'm like, no, I saw something and I know that is not us. And I just loved her perseverance and trying to figure it out. She's like, I'm not an idiot. Right.

And they're like, I was going to say. So, yeah, you have kind of this setup of like, I think, you know, the first two episodes were really about all the stuff happening right now with Navy and then they go to Phoenix Lights. And then it seems like the, did you see the whole thing? I did. Yeah. Okay. It took like a really sharp turn kind of in those last two episodes where he kind of flips it upside down and goes like full into this whole idea of like the government is lying to us. It's all a big disinformation campaign. And I was not expecting that. I thought this is going to be kind of your, you know, A-list kind of surface-level documentary series. We got dirty.

We got really dirty. I was like, ooh, this is good. Because it makes me think when we go back to the Cold War in the 60s where people were afraid with the Russians, were they, did they make this whole alien thing a way to distract, right? That magic trick is what they're talking about, which makes a lot of sense. let's give them this huge theory, let's distract them. Could that be what's happening now with this disclosure movement? Are we preparing for World War III?

That's a whole conspiracy on its own. I don't know. I do know that our Air Force and our military, they have acknowledged that there is technology that we have, that we are not prepared as everyday people to see. And then you can go back to Eisenhower where supposedly he had a discussion with Mr. Alien. And Mr. Alien was like, we're here to give you this technology to help advance your civilization. And Mr. Eisenhower is like, yeah, no, I don't think we're quite ready for that.

Thank you. Oh, my God. Yeah, I interviewed a gentleman who wrote a book about that entire affair. And, yeah, I was like really on the fence about it. I'm like, this is like such a part of UFO mythology. It's fun and quirky and everything. Like thinking about Eisenhower, like shaking hands with a little, little green man and everything.

But the more of this guy showed me, like the documents and stuff that he'd come up with and supposed witness testimony and people involved, I was like, huh, maybe there could be something to this. But I think you brought up the really important part about it. Like if it did happen and they were willing to give us this technology that could change humanity and Eisenhower's like, no thanks. I'm kind of like, are you kidding me, dude? Well, they did that with Tesla, didn't they? They just like ripped him apart and threw him to the waters.

I was the father of energy. Anyways, back to JJ Abrams. Yeah, we really went off there. Yeah, sorry, I went in a tangent. Oh, we both did. I never thought that we would be left to question Luis. Wait, I didn't, I did not see that one coming. Like, all the work that he's been doing, you're saying now that he was not directly in line with Atip and he's not part of it, right?

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but I think a lot of that's been answered since then. So it makes me wonder, did Abrams and the creative team choose to neglect that information? I mean, Senator Harry Reid wrote a written statement saying he headed a tip. He was a part of it. He was exceptional at the job. But that somehow didn't make it into this documentary. It's almost as if they wanted to keep that, you know, in the public's mind of this all could be, you know, a lie. And I got a little frustrated with that as well.

While I think it's extremely important to always question these people who come out of intelligence and the government, and say we're going to help get the truth out about UFOs. I'm always a little hesitant with that, and I still am. Like, Elizondo's a nice guy. I've interviewed him. I've talked to him privately, but it doesn't mean I'm like, you know, I believe every word the guy says. But I think the documentary series did a poor job of covering that whole aspect of all of it.

And that's kind of where they lost me, was that whole, like, pushing this really, I don't know, this. What are you guys trying to prove? What's your intention here? And that's my question. What's your agenda? Because even we can honestly ask the government and the military, what's your agenda and releasing this information, acknowledging that the TikTok is real?

And what are you trying to do to our mindset? That's where my question is. What did that say? That said best place to hide anything is in plain sight. agree that is true that is true that person anonymous rex also said ex head of muffons sold out to the dark side yeah yeah that was interesting you know what everybody has a price tag yeah everybody well what are your thoughts on that like we we learned that the secret pentagon program that was running had money given to robert bigelow who you know owned skinwalker ranch at one point

And also like basically bought off Mufon and got all of their files and stuff. Like, what do you think the end game is there with this Bigelow guy? He seems to have his hand in every cookie jar when it comes to all of this. It's all about control, isn't it? Yeah. It's all about control. And who has the most information can control the rest. So I feel like he's the Howard Hughes of Uphology World.

You can buy the answers, right? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I don't know. Everything can be just speculation at the end of the day. I know as much as you know next to this person over here. So we can just like, we're just doing our best to try to put the pieces together because we know that there is something more to all of this puzzle. And it can also go in the lines of religion where we all want to believe in something bigger than us. And sometimes with those kinds of ideas, with religion and aliens, there is not going to be concrete proof. It's a feeling. And you can't argue someone's own reality when they're feeling something. Yeah. And it's hard to, I guess, you know, have a, have a discourse when people are so kind of set in their beliefs. And that's why I always, you know, when people ask me, do you believe in UFOs? I'm like, belief has nothing to do with that, that you're immediately stepping into religion territory when you, when you ask that question of belief. I don't really have that luxury. Like, I saw a UFO.

I'm not saying it was aliens or anything like that. I have no idea what it was. But I, I know, I know there's things out there that we can't explain. You felt something. Yeah. It gave you a feeling in your body. I can't argue with you on that. There's no way. You can't argue with somebody who's like, I had an encounter that I cannot quite explain, but it made me feel something. You can't take that away from anybody. Yeah. I was like, you have to believe in something. I just, there's magic out there. I do. I believe that. There's my molder. They came out. Awesome. I'm guessing one of your favorite episodes was the, what was it, the amazing Malini or whatever it was with the magician? Oh, God.

Oh, my God. It's like season eight or nine, I think. I did bend all of X-Files, I think, during quarantine. Yeah, I did too. I did too. Well, you know, effects on people. That was another big part of the JJ Abrams series with Kevin Day, the chief radar operator, who kind of first tracked the Tick-Tac UFOs off a Catalina Island in 2004.

And, man, like I got goosebumps when he was on. screen being like, this is really hard for me. And like this, this thing ruined my life. Yeah. Oh, man. You felt it when he was talking, huh? Oh, God. So, you know, I interviewed Kevin for my book. And it was really interesting because the way they told his story, it was like the exact arc of the chapter in my book. And I was like, who read my book? Who read my book that wrote that episode? But no, it's, you know, it's logical the way his story plays out in terms of how they presented it. But when he said, like, when I saw that Tick-Tac video on the screen, you know, when I flashed across the news, I started crying. So I'm like, there it is.

There's what I saw in 2004. Everyone said I was crazy. I didn't talk about it for so long. It, like, was such a, you know, detrimental part of my life. And now here it is in front of all of the world. And I would imagine for him it was vindication as a lot of this stuff is. now that a lot more people are taking it seriously. Yeah, what are your thoughts on that?

Are we closer or are these people who've had experiences? Are they vindicated now? I think so. We're getting there, aren't we? I mean, all we want in life is a little bit of validation. And to not feel crazy at the end of the day, there's just enough stress as there is. But just validation.

That's all we're asking for. Stop. I'm going to use this word again, gaslighting. come on you know they they did this to Francis Farmer in the 50s she was an actress and she wanted better roles for us she was speaking up on feminism points and the studios and her own mother threw her into insane asylums and she was like trying like no I'm not crazy and they kept pushing her in there so they were doing lobotomies on her as well uh that's a whole another story. I highly recommend if you guys go down that that rabbit hole because she's, oh,

it gives me goosebumps. It makes me angry that people were doing this. And well, and we know that they've done this in different ways and iterations throughout history. You know, the, as much as we might, here's, here's the dilemma. And everyone brings this up. It's kind of become a meme now is, why is everyone now willing to believe and trust. the government when it comes to UFOs. When like for the last 70 years, we've been saying, they're lying. They've lied. They covered this up and this and that.

It's an interesting question to ponder for sure. Why are people so quick and I'll be like, oh, they're like, here it is. Here's the answers we've always wanted. But it's like, hold on. Like, why are we? Why? I don't know. What do you think?

A little trepidation, please. Yeah. Let's take baby steps because these are. God, you just don't know who to trust that's coming out with this information because then we go back to what's your agenda. What is it that you're trying to do? Are you trying to distract us? Are you really wanting to help us? Which one is it?

And I feel like it's in the middle. And that's our job to figure it out, right? You got the chocolate ice cream. You got the vanilla ice cream. Here's the swirl. Perfect analogy. I love it. Also, Dave Gost, thank you for the $999 Super Chat.

I really appreciate it, man. If you're just joining us, we're resetting the room, as my buddy Luis always says. We are here with Karina, and we are talking all about UFOs, Hollywood and UFOs, the government in UFOs. We're covering it all tonight. So I guess moving back to movies, any other ones really stick out to you? or TV shows. I mean, Alth is my favorite.

Elf, I never got into Elf, unfortunately. It's just dumb. It's dumb, but it's an alien living with a suburban white family. Perfect. Take it, they don't leave it. A Galaxy Quest. Oh, that's a good one. I didn't even think about that one. Rest in peace, Mr. Allen Rickman.

Rest in peace, I mean. I think it's just a great movie all around. Everybody is fantastic, the way it's true. written, shot. I just, I loved it. I loved it a lot. That was a good one. Did you watch, did you watch Project Blue Book? The History Channel? I did not. No. Okay. That was a good one. A lot of people, you know, thought it really did the UFO field harm because they really exaggerated a lot of the actual case history that Jay Allen Heineck investigated for Project Blue Book. But, you know.

TV. It's TV. It's entertainment. I try to remind people that same with X-Files, same with everything that's out there. That's on television. Like we were saying earlier, at least the conversation has started. Yeah. So. So many people who never knew who J. L. and Heinek was now know who he was. And I think that's incredible. He's one of our heroes in the UFO field, at least for me personally. And, you know, really went in saying there's nothing to all. this and came out on the other side, not a believer, but like an acceptor that, you know, even though he was an astronomer, there were so, there was so much in the universe that he still couldn't explain. And I thought that the show did a beautiful job with that. Good. That would be happy. What about Roswell? Do you ever see any of the Roswell-oriented stuff in the Hollywood sphere? Do I, have there any movies about Roswell?

I mean, there's Paul. There's Paul. There was a made for, I guess made for television. Showtime did a movie on Roswell. It was starring Kyle McLaughlin from Twin Peaks. He played, you know, the military officer who first was on site during the crash. How did I not see this one? I'm always looking for good alien sci-fi movies.

1994, Roswell, check it out, for sure. Put it on the list. Yeah, and I'm typing it in. Anonymous Rex says the show highlighted the fact that abductions have shifted from physical to mental interesting yeah I love that because now let's go into into the mind right you've got your interstellar you have what else is there tenant vivarium what other ones are there Anyways, I deal with the mind, eternal sunshine. Because then I'm losing my track of that. I think you're on the right track because there's so much of this like nuts and bolts, alien lands, someone sees it or like is abducted by aliens, this, that. But there's also this whole other end of the spectrum where like this could all have to do with consciousness too and time and space and in all that.

sort of stuff. Right. So then let's go into that is meditation. We ask ourselves the questions. We go into meditation and that's where we see the answers. And once we are consciously aware of who we are inside and we tap into Earth, we go grounding, which I highly, like I'm a big fan of, time and space, consciousness. Matthew's on board with everything you're saying. I love it. I think it's all connected. It really is because then there's that telepathy that they say is how they can communicate with us.

And I've heard that from encounters. I had a girlfriend. Her best friend was walking to her house one night and she felt a presence above her. And she saw a craft of some sort. and they got into her mind. They're like kind of in a singy-songy type talk. They're like, we're not here to hurt you. And they kept repeating this, but it was a little dark in its own way.

So she ran into her house because it scared the living daylights out of her. Yeah, I can imagine. What do you, do you buy into this whole, like, what are they called, it, CE5, where, like, we can initiate contact, aliens by using meditation techniques or we're able to like vector in the UFOs by using our collective consciousness. Is that something you you think is possible? I think it's all yeah because I think you've had a lot of people that are giving their encounter stories where they would just look up and they would focus and they would think something and then the craft or the lights the orb would

move or their thoughts were somehow connected to these orbs that are moving around the sky. I'm so fascinated with that. And I, Ryan, every single day, my head is always up looking. I'm like, I want to see something. Sometimes I'm just too desperate. And they're like, we need to let her chill out for a second. She's a little too overzealous to see us. Yeah. Too excited. She needs to, she needs to calm down. I, yeah, I need to calm down. I know that. Well, you know, and that's a good, A good way to kind of frame that is so many people have come to me and said, I never thought about aliens. I never, like, thought about UFOs. I wasn't a skywatcher.

And this experience literally, like, fell into my lap. It just happened and it changed my life. I didn't seek it out. I had no interest. And then, boom, it happens. So it does make you truly wonder, like, is that the intention? of whatever the phenomena is to kind of, you know, touch the lives of those who haven't thought about it or would never think about it.

Whereas there's people like you and so many others out there who are like, I don't want to use the word desperately. That's condescending, but are like tenacious, maybe a little. You did say you've got a couple bruises from running into things looking up so much. It's true. I'm not going to lie. I will not sugarcoat that one for you. But yeah, you do have to wonder, like, is it?

Because I feel like if you look for it, you're always going to be let down. Even if you were to have an experience, it's probably not going to be what you expected. I know a lot of people who really seek this stuff out. They're always like, yeah, like I saw a light in the sky, but it could have been anything. And then the person who never thought about it in their life, they're the ones to get like the close encounter of the third kind, where they could like see every light on the craft and stuff like that. I did, I went to, I took myself on a little date and I took myself to Integritron out in Joshua Tree. Nice.

It's, I highly recommend you all to research Integratron and the science and the physics behind it, the way that it was built and why it was built and where it's at. I think it's really fascinating because it aligns in the same electric magnet grid as, the pyramids. Interesting. So there's a lot of energy in this area. Anywho, I had a beautiful time. I love it.

It's a sound bath. So it's all about frequency and energy, which I believe is what we are made out of. And that's what connects us to they, I want to say, is that frequency and energy. We can also get into Hertz. But that's another topic. But my point is I got Stephen Greer's. Right. I paid that money. I think it was $7.99. So there's like a meditation on there to try to call upon them. So I was like I had a convertible beetle. It's late at night. I'm going to pull off on the dark side of the road. It's so dumb. It sounds like an abduction waiting to happen. Oh my God. I was asking for it. And I was like listening to the meditation. And I'm like, okay, cool. I'm starting to scare myself. I'm going to go home. So I get onto the highway. and I'm stupidly always looking up.

And I saw a black mat type crack, kind of like the one that my girlfriend says she saw in Santa Clarita. And it was like a blip of a second. I looked up and I'm like still driving. I got to focus. And I was like, wait a minute. That was not a helicopter. I could see it because of lights,

the orange lights from the streets was reflecting. I was like, okay, let me make another stupid decision. Let me pull off the highway, go down another dark road, get on top of the mountain and look out. I did that. I didn't see anything. I waited. Did I call upon something doing the minute? I don't know. Was it an actual something? I don't know. Interesting. There seems to be some sort of parapsychological, I think, connection. I do think, like you said, I've spoken to so many people who have seen something and been like, move to the left and whatever. The orb. whatever moves to the left. Or one guy I talked to in, I believe it was Michigan,

you know, had like an SOS game with the headlights of his truck and this string of orbs over Lake Michigan. Like literally, he flashed his lights and it would flash back. And, you know, it wasn't a plane. It wasn't like a ship on the water. These were, you know,

singular stationary lights out there over the water. And like, as soon as he would try to communicate with it, it would communicate back to him. So I don't know. I don't know what to make of all that. Do they have a sense of humor? That's what I want to know. You know what?

I'm going to say yes, because you look at some of these abduction cases. And I want to touch on abductions within just a moment. But you hear of people who have been abducted. And when they're brought back, like their clothes will be on inside out. Or there was one case that a buddy of mine, Rob, told me about where someone was abducted out of their car while they were driving on the freeway. And when they were brought back, they were put into the wrong car. And that person was put into the other person's car. And they didn't realize it until they both eventually pulled over.

And they're like, sorry, I don't know what happened. Have a nice day. And those are the moments where I'm like, either they really messed up or they have a really weird sense of humor. They don't have, what is it, those script doctors on sets, the continuity. They don't have one of those people. The button was actually, the top one was undone. They got to go back. Yeah.

Continuity checker. Oh, man. I don't know. But I do. I do think sometimes they do have. a sense of humor. But it's not always a laughing matter, you know, when it comes to abduction. Some of these are pretty, pretty freaky and pretty traumatizing for people. What do you make of abductions? Any of them really stand out to you? I was little when fire in the sky came out.

I remember seeing that in the theater. And oh, boy, oh boy, oh, boy, was I peeping in my pants? Because that scared me a lot. And as an adult watching it, yeah, I'm still scared. And, you know, they came out with that documentary discrediting them and they're all saying, oh, yeah, I was a hoax. I don't believe that it was a hoax. I don't believe that they were lying. I, you know, it's hard, especially when it comes to the abduction phenomenon, because there's very, if ever, any evidence. And yeah, we have caught people in lies and hoaxes when it comes to that. But for that one, like you said, all those dudes past those lie detector tests. Right.

You know, and their stories lined up and I don't know. I can't come to accept that it was an elaborate hoax. I just don't I feel like we would have known that by now. There would have been so many holes in the story

that would eventually come to light. And right now it seems that some people are trying to discredit that Travis Walton and abduction and saying that it was all a hoax. But I still have hope that something happened up there in a snowflake. I do too. I mean, these people, they're not actors.

They're working men. They work with their hands. They work outdoors. I know that, you know, they're saying there was some kind of money issue that was going on. I just don't buy it because here we are again. They're trying to discredit these people in their stories. And it just feels too factual. know the movie, I think I had read somewhere that there were worse things that had happened to

Travis on that ship that the movie didn't depict. Yeah, it was, he said that the abduction part of the movie was probably the least accurate when it came to what he experienced on the ship. And I know, you know, they went really extreme into kind of the horror-esque elements in the movie where he said. says that, yeah, it was, they got the feeling right, like how he felt while he was up there and this idea of isolation and terrified and all that. But that, you know, he met several races of aliens while he was on the craft. He even, like, took something off the experiment table and, like,

tried to hit one of the aliens at one point. But, yeah, yeah, it's fascinating. I, I, my, so there's two stories of my hairstylist. Good leading. Thank you. She's into Joe Dispensa. She does a lot of the metaphysics, the modalities, and hypnotism. And she's deep, deep into it. And she goes, like the Galactic Federation, what you see in Men and Black,

what you see on Star Wars, Star Trek, is kind of close to the truth of what's going on up there with these different races. Great, cool. I'll buy it. Sure. If you say so. Because also I was on set once in the makeup artist. Her dad worked for NASA. And there was one, you're going to love this.

Oh, it's so good. So in the cafeteria, they always have TV monitors showing live footage of what's going on up there. And for a moment, something flew onto the screen. And then the footage was cut. It went to black. And everybody in that cafeteria saw something, and they were just like looking around. after that, people were trailing all those people that were in the cafeteria digging through the garbage, saying you can't say anything, nothing can happen, you know, scaring the daylights out of these people if you open your mouth. So who knows, you know?

Yeah, we've heard a lot of stories from ex-NAS employees of like them scrubbing footage or, you know, even images that have been taken of certain, you know, aerial shots of the earth. Like they'll Photoshop things out of them. Again, this could all be like conspiracy theory stuff. But there are a lot of credible people who've said that that has happened. So, you know, I'm open to that possibility that, yeah, of course, NASA is going to have things out there that that can't be explained. And look, that's their fault for doing like 24-7 live feeds out there. Like, what do you expect? People are going to watch that for like 10 hours if they don't have to go to work and like,

Look for stuff like UFOs. I know I have for sure. I'm always like, what was that? Oh, it's just space junk. Yeah, just space junk. What about Betty and Barney Hill? I know we talked a little bit about that off air. Is that another one you buy into?

So when I first heard about it, I was like, did they make this up because they're an interracial couple dealing during a very difficult time in our history? Was this something to distract? I don't think so. I think it really, I want to believe that it is true and that it did happen to this couple because you hear their hypnotist tapes.

Those are screams that are coming from your belly. That is not a fake scream whatsoever. So there is something that had happened. Yeah. Now, what is it that abducted them? Could it have been our military? to do experiments, or is it of something else? Do you think that's a possibility?

I have talked to people who believe that their abduction experiences were not alien, that they were done by a military branch? I 100%. Yeah. Because look at all of our governments in every country has done human experiments without our consent. Yeah. 100% MK Ultra, Project Itch, even transferring a monkey's head to human body. I mean, it's like the real island of Dr. Moreau, isn't it?

Like there's a whole island where they do these experiments. There's LRAD sonar warfare that they're using today. That scares me because we have no control over that whatsoever. What other, the chemicals that are in our everyday. Tuskegee experiments, I know is a big one. You're right. Like there's horrible things we've done in the name of science and national security. But that's interesting that you would tie that to the Betty and Barney Hill abduction.

I've heard that before that this was kind of their first test run was with this couple. And look, there have been people who've come forward and said that a lot of these UFO cases we've come to know as famous were also. like staged military operations, stuff like Roswell. Another big one is the the Rendellian Forest incident in England, where like 60 military personnel saw a UFO land in a forest and saw like beings get out and like the craft flew away and this and that. And all the military people said they felt really like dizzy while this was happening. and like time slowed down, time sped up.

Everything was a little weird. And the guy I spoke to, he had an interesting argument. He's like, it was total, like, either some sort of like sonar experiment where it could mess with their heads. Or it was all like straight up holograms. They were testing early hologram technology. Sonar. I don't know. Look what they're doing to our oceans with a sonar testing.

They're completely wiping out the way. whale and dolphin communities because they migrate based off of their own sonar that's directly linked to earth. And we're screwing with that. We're also screwing with the migration of birds. We are just, we are screwing it up heavily. And I 100% believe in human experiments. You can go back to the Nazis.

They're linked to so much. I mean, the U.S. brought over the Nazis after World War II. We're like, hey, we're going to hide you guys. As long as you do these experiments and help us out, right? Yeah. into space. Yeah, always forget. Yeah. Man, they're dirty. America plays dirty, for sure.

Dirty. Well, this kind of just hit me. So I want to ask you, in terms of the ocean, now, probably the most famous case now is the Tick-Tac event off of Catalina Island that we saw in the JJ Abrams documentary and everything now. do you think that was a military operation? Like was whatever these fighter pilots saw out there and was caught on radar, a lot of people theorized maybe it was the Air Force testing something on the Navy or this was all a huge test within the Navy to see how the pilots reacted.

Whatever it was, you know, it was dangerous. Yeah. Like the pilots could have, you know, crashed into something or anything could have happened is what I'm trying to say. So what do you make of this whole TikTok event? Was this something that could have been ours? Anything, you cannot rule it out, right? I would want to say that it could be ours,

but why would we risk the lives of our pilots? In the grand scheme of things, the lives mean nothing were just pawns in a game. I believe that. But they're not going to risk destroying a multi-million dollar aircraft. That's sadly true. But I also, you know, there's underwater bases that we have learned, de-ish of alien underwater base, that they're there off of Catalina Island.

I mean, look at the Los Angeles. What was it? The invasion, the alien invasion? Was it in the 30s? Do you remember that story? Vakily, yeah. So what if they came from our waters over here? I've had friends where they go out to the beach and they're just sitting there and they start to see lights shoot out from the water.

It was just like there's no explanation for it. Again, it's a fine line. I feel like it's right in the middle of everything. Yeah, I think you're right. You know, I've done a lot of research into Atec, which is a underwater base in the Caribbean. And same thing. Like this is where they test a lot of underwater warfare stuff. You know, this base is underwater, yet the restricted airspace above it goes all the way up into space.

So you're like, why is an underwater base? Why do they have such restricted huge areas cordoned off that reach even up into the outer reaches of space? You truly have to wonder. Oh, that's crazy. Field trip. Field trip. I'm not the best of swimmer screen. I'm going to be honest.

But I'll let you do that one. Actually, no, you're so close to Catalina. Yeah. We'll get you out there for sure. Well, let's move to another sort of meaty topic, controversial. And we're going on about an hour here. So everyone, thank you so much for joining us. I'm trying to keep up with a chat here.

Let's see. Matthew says hoax. I think he was talking about Travis Walton. Oh. Dave says, water aliens. Nice. Yep. I honestly think our oceans hold so many more mysteries than anything up in space, and we should probably be looking down there.

I agree. Look at the movie Abyss. Beautifully done. Yeah. Yep. That's where it's at. I'm telling you. I think a lot more of this UFO stuff, we should be looking down for sure. Well, let's move to ancient aliens. We've got the meme, you know, Georgio Sicolos of the big air and aliens built the pyramids, blah, blah, blah. They're going on their 14th season of ancient aliens, if you can believe it, which is insane to think that anything alien related could be on television that long and people are still watching, even though they're now up to not ancient aliens.

They're up to like the Pentagon UFO stuff. But what do you think? Are you into this whole Eric von Donakin, ancient astronauts? Like, have aliens been here for millennia? Gosh, where do you start? I first started, I loved ancient aliens. I was like, oh, this is so fascinating. Finally, somebody's doing this and putting this information out there.

Then I found a guy that debunked all of ancient aliens. And I was like, ooh, like it usually, it's just a simple answer. I man, it's so hard because it's very entertaining but then when you look at some of the facts like the pyramids I believe it was human built

we had the technology back then we had the manpower we also had mammoths during that time I believe we had technology ancient civilizations had technology that we don't have today

because we've been dumbed down or watered down by people above. The pyramids are an energy source. I do believe that. They were made out of, what is it, limestone that's a conductive for energy. And how is it even possible that cultures around the world had pyramids and the same ideologies? It blows my mind. At the same time, yeah. At the same time, this is, so then, yeah, of course, were aliens involved?

Were they giving these different civilizations information? It's so fun to believe and hope, that's the case. But at the same time, it's like you do an experiment with a group of monkeys. You teach one monkey how to open a can. The other ones start to see it. And then other tribes of monkeys, they start to feel or they start to come around to understanding that, that idea. So that could also be

how ancient civilizations were all kind of on the same grid of thought. Just somehow we're connected. That's such an interesting concept. Yeah, because not only pyramids, but we know like different cultures came up with

you know, fermentation or you know, as we come to know it, beer nowadays, like different civilizations that had no ways of communicating came up with like the same concept at the same time. So maybe that was the moment in time where whatever created us was like, all right, let's get this new thing out there that's going to really like, you know, give them a hangover tomorrow morning or something. I don't know. But you do have to wonder,

that's such a good point. I think moving away from the idea of aliens intervening in our evolution or whatnot, we have to keep in mind, how. how smart, how dedicated, how tenacious human beings are, especially when you look at the pyramids that were built literally on the backs of slaves, who if they didn't bring those stones there, they would be beaten, they would be killed. So, you know, that's enough motivation to get that pyramid done. Yeah. So, yeah, I'd have to agree.

You look at the word extraterrestrial. terrestrial terrain part of Earth. So we, I want to say like maybe we are the extraterrestrials. We have just lost the contact with ourselves because we're supposed to be in tuned with Earth 100%. And we've just been, we're consuming so many chemicals every day that we are losing our site and everything, even social media with people wanting to be influencers and TikTokers and all of this.

this, look at the indigenous tribes, their whole idea of the photograph is it steals your soul. And indigenous tribes of all sorts around the world were connected to Earth. The answers are always have been in nature. You have the law of nature. That's the way the universe works. And you have to get onto the program. But then you've got human greed and ego that comes in and just like destroys it all. And then we become so selfish and ignorant.

And I just feel like we are our own downfall, and it wouldn't surprise me if our civilization dies out soon because of that. Earth is going to win. Always. She will win. Yeah. I often look to that line. I'm bringing it back to the X-Files because I just watched this episode,

Quagmire, the Lake Monster one, where Scully said her father once told her, respect Mother Nature, because Mother Nature has no respect for you. And I was like, whoa, that's pretty heavy. And I think you're right. You know, we've lost sight of our connectedness to our own home. Like what allows us to live here and what feeds us, what gives us our air, what gives us our water, these simple things that we literally need to survive. And I often wonder, like, could these phenomena be the earth screaming at us, like, ring in.

our necks and being like, pay attention to me. Like, I'm here. I've always been here. Like, stop looking up there. Stop thinking we're, you know, little green men from Zeta reticuli. Like, we've been here forever. We're still here. And we're probably going to be here long after you. I don't know. It's too noisy. The frequency is too noisy and she can't think. I believe that. I mean, look at during quarantine, how two weeks of no human movement and the air was clean. You could see, was it the Himalayas? Yeah. Come on.

Ah, so frustrating. It makes me, it really boils my blood because we are potentially greater than good, but we just decide to not do it. Right. And especially with the pandemic, you know, again. And however this pandemic started, people will debate forever and politicize and this and that. But again, I feel like it's an example of this was the world, however you decide to see that as an anthropomorphic thing or a greater thing. But the world is putting you back in your shoes and making everything immediate and showing us how precious life can be when something can rest. ravage the world and kill hundreds of thousands of people, remember this and change, change the

way you're doing things. And look, hopefully we're on the other side of this pandemic. Time will tell. I hope we are. But I do truly wonder, have we learned anything from this? Will we learn anything from this? I don't. I don't think so. I don't. And I hate to be such a cynic about it, but I'm, you know, I cross past with maybe 150, 200 people every day in my job. And it's just the sense of entitlement is greater now than it ever was before. And it's like people have forgotten how to be kind. I'm being so cynical. I want to take some of that back.

There are good people and the good people do make it worth it. Just with bad seeds suck. I just perspective everybody needs a little bit of perspective and some empathy because that will go a long way at the end of the day. Absolutely. And you're right. You know, there are a lot of ugly in the world as this pandemic continues. But a lot of beautiful things happening too, which I try to always stress to people, especially Dave, Tim, Jacob, Matthew, all everyone joining us. ethereal aura. Thank you so much for being here, guys. Yeah, I love that name.

I do truly think there's good in the world. But I also wonder, and I love your thoughts on this, like the most UFO information we've ever gotten from the government is happening right now in the middle of a freaking pandemic where a lot of people aren't paying attention or even know that the Pentagon came out with a UFO report or that there's a secret program or a one secret program now not so secret that investigated it. And this is a big step.

It's something a lot of us in the UFO field have hoped and wanted for so long. And it's also more widely accepted now. But of course, it's happening in the middle of a pandemic where we have much more important things to worry about. But again, I do wonder, is that the way it was supposed to play out? Or was the government like, we should probably, you know, mess around with this UFO thing so that people forget about everything else going on. I don't know. It's juicy, isn't it?

It makes you wonder. And it's like, oh, I mean, cool. At least a conversation has started. It really is. And it's making people more interested in this topic. And it's becoming more mainstream. So let's say something does happen. We can kind of chill out about it a little.

Yeah. But what worries me is that we had the War of the World thing that happened. remember when the radio show and people went bananas. And I feel like with this pandemic, everybody went bananas over toilet tissue. Yeah. So like if an aircraft were to come over and be like, hey, I'm here, is everybody going to be cool about it? Are we just going to lose our mind? Yeah.

I do wonder. Yeah. Oh, humans. I'm ready, though. Let's go. Let's do this. I'm ready to jump ship. Well, what do you hope for, Karina, when it comes to this whole UFO thing?

What do you personally want out of it? Do you want this to be aliens? Do you want this to be us from the future? I don't know. What do you want out of this whole UFO mystery, I guess? That's such a good question. What do I want? Oh, that's a really good one.

I know. And it's a big question. Like, I'm still searching for what I want out of all this. I mean, we all want validation at the end of the day. It's just, I want to believe in something fantastical. I want to believe that there is something that is looking out for us and wanting to protect us, try to destroy nuclear weapons, because what's the point of them? I want to believe that there are different races that have different motives and intentions out there.

I think the through line through all of it, just to tie in a little bit of script talk, like the through line is just love. We all want love. We all want to be accepted in one way or another. And being connected with ourselves and our earth is, I think, what the lesson is. And to have some perspective and not judge each other so quickly. And I want to believe that that's the lesson out there that they want to give us. Then at some time, they're probably doing human experiments.

I don't know. Yeah. Always got to throw that in. You know, the pro being, I don't know. That's part of the love. For some, I don't know. That's a conversation for another time. And who's to say it's one, you know, intelligence or phenomenon?

who really knows. I mean, we want answers, but at the same time, maybe we're just not meant to have the answer. Yeah, that's such a good point. I always tell people, some of these people who've studied UFOs their whole life, they went to the grave, not knowing the answers, and maybe they're getting them now and whatever comes next.

That's, you know, what I hope happens. But who knows? But I personally don't think, and come in and get those answers. And I'm okay with that. I accepted that a long time ago. And I just love asking the questions, like the conversations we've had tonight.

Again, this always, it comes back to us. And it says far more about us as humans than it does whatever we're dealing with. And that's what's really kept me going. It's not what is the answer to UFOs. Is the government hiding information? At the end of the day, the truth will out some way, some form. But in the meantime, I'm just going to keep having conversations like this where we can just talk freely about it. And no one's going to laugh at us or

judge us. They might be. I think guitar me and Kenny might be laughing at us a little. But again, I love that idea of love. Like, I really do think that's what this kind of boils down to. Like, Love conquers all. It always has. It always will. But I guess to kind of to wrap things up, Karina, and we've gone a little over what I told you

we were gonna. I don't want to keep you too long. What? Tell us a little about your Instagram, Space Cadet, and your awesome animations that you do as well. That was so cool. Yeah, tell us about

what you got going over there. I created B, the alien. Her name is B. The story is she's sent down from the Galactic Federation because they are like humans, why are they worth saving? So she's sent down to try to figure it out. And what makes her different is that she has so much compassion and curiosity. She has a lot of empathy. And she just wants to understand what makes us us. So that spawned into Space Cadet Gal where I like to I want to teach about the history of humans, the inventors, the inventions, ancient civilizations, the facts that are there. So I always like to know what happened in the past so we can form our future better. Just education, because it's so interesting. You don't know who was behind that curtain a lot.

Along with that mindfulness, how we can be better for ourselves and those around us, like just picking up some trash or not engaging with somebody that, I don't, it encompasses a lot of things, which also can go into frequency and energy, sound bass, and music. I am not a guru of any sort. I am not an expert. I'm just super passionate. I like to share that information. And I like to guide people to those that are the experts. So kind of like the center of curiosity. because I think since we were so made up of so much water, we are affected by the music and the sounds around us. So it's really important to feed your soul with smart sounds.

But then also the aliens and cryptology, which, of course, obviously we have to talk about that. It's so much fun. The different races, the abduction. So I'll lean into that and then science, the physics, astronomy, me. Let's talk about the astronauts, the scientists that have changed our lives like Tesla. So it's a lot of ground. It's a lot of content. I have yet to dive into some of it. And as an opener, I did the stop motion animation to just to kind of get the story out there and be like, this is what I do.

This is what it's about. Take it or leave it. I love it. I absolutely love it. Well, Karina, where can we find everything you're up to? and you got anything coming up acting-wise that you can share with us? I do a lot of voiceovers, so I'm all over the place with that. Space Cadet Gal on Instagram, I've got to work on putting content. And in my own personal page, Karina Isabel, which I'm always posting stuff about this topic all the time. That's basically where I'm at. I don't really do Facebook too much. Probably a good thing.

Yeah, Twitter, it's just so much. It's a lot. No, I love what you got going on over on Instagram, and I know your work and your journey's only just begun, and so is this conversation. So I would love to have you back again, but I will say good night. Thank you.

For tonight, for everyone who joined us in the live chat, thank you for coming, guys. Thank you for all of your comments for Karina and I. And once again, Karina, I have to thank you for coming on some of this, guys. I'm so grateful. Thank you. I appreciate it. Somewhere in the skies is produced by Third Kind Productions in association with the Entertainment One podcast network. Lots of places can expose you to identity theft. Oh, no.

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