Somewhere in the Skies - UFOs 2021: Part 5

Episode Date: November 21, 2021

On episode 240 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we are joined by Luis Jimenez of the Unidentified Celebrity Review, Jazz Shaw, political analyst and writer for The Debrief, and surprise guest, John Greenewald Jr. of The Black Vault! Greenewald shares a breaking story of a new Navy UFO event that he uncovered through FOIA files, and what this could mean for further FOIA requests he's already put in. Then, the guys catch us up on the latest UAP news concerning HR 4350, an amendment, drafted by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, for inclusion in the 2022 National Defense Authorization Act requiring the government to strengthen its investigations of unidentified aerial phenomena. They also discuss the recent symposium, Our Future in Space, that was held at the Washington National Cathedral and featured speakers such as Harvard professor, Avi Loeb, NASA Administrator, Bill Nelson, and National Intelligence Director, Avril Haines. Are we inching closer to new disclosures concerning UAP and alien life? We dive deep as we head in to the final stretch of UFOs in 2021!  Follow Luis Jimenez on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/LuAngeles  Follow Jazz Shaw on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/JazzShaw  Follow John Greenewald Jr on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/blackvaultcom  Subscribe to the Unidentified Celebrity Review at: https://bit.ly/3mZsMRE Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Somewhere in the Skies Coffee: Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is somewhere in the skies with Brian Sprague. I haven't done one of these in a while, so I thought, what the heck? I mean, I've been covering historical UFO cases from around the world this past month, everything from Africa, Russia, a few other countries, regions, and haven't been really talking about the recent stuff going on in the UFO world lately. So I thought, who better than our friends over at the Unidentified Celebrity Review? We're going to have Luis Semenez and Jazz Shaw on the show to talk all about all the latest UAP stuff with Jilla Brand amendments and National Cathedral events and some really interesting breaking news from John Greenwald over at the Black Vault. He might be joining us. We're not positive yet. He has kids.

He's got a lot to do before school starts. So we'll see. We'll see if he makes it. If not, I have these two lovely gentlemen with me today to check. about some of the stuff John has been putting out over at the Black Vault as well. But without further ado, I'm going to bring in my two guests for today, Louis Semenez and Jazz Shaw. What is up, gentlemen? Ryan?

Mr. Craig? You both did the same exact salute. I love it. I only because I knew he was going to do that. So I stole Jazz. You can take the boy out of the Navy. You can't take the Navy out of the boy. Apparently, Jess. Lou, I, Lou, you're might. might be off, I'm not sure, or you're doing a really cool.

Hello. How's that? Oh, there you are. Is that better? Okay, sorry. Yeah, it's just a little far away. Thank you for... No, I feel like that's your, um, your sort of thing now, right? Is everyone is always like, oh, your mic's off, your mic's off. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's usually a muting problem with, with, uh, with the shows where they accidentally, uh, oh, yeah. Everyone's too polite. Start with a muted mic. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. The old, uh, Zetterstrom, as they call it. No. for sure. I almost fell off my chair, guys. Welcome to the live stream. It's a little too early to be drinking, Sprang. Yeah, especially for you. I got to thank you, man. I know it's still early. I've been up for four hours.

Oh, fair enough. I wasn't sure if you were an early riser or not, but usually pretty early, yeah. Okay. I'm excited because like I mentioned earlier, you guys have been killing it over there, covering everything that's been going on in the UFO. world as of late. And of course, I mean, you guys are live five days a week between you and Singularity and Daniel's show as well. So tell me before we really get into the meat of everything, what have you guys been covering over at UCR? And yeah, give us a little, a little tease, I guess, of what has happened this past week with you guys and maybe what's to come. I mean, we've been really focused and thanks to jazz and the work that he's doing and Brian Bender and all of these wonderful political analysts that really know the ins and outs of how an amendment works and where it goes and who has to pass it and who votes on it and all the nuances of how Washington works.

You know, so jazz is really the people, like we've been leaning on him a lot, but that's what we've been talking about. We've been talking about the Gillibrand Amendment pretty much since it's, it's, been on the radar. And, you know, of course, we've had, you know, John Greenwald, of course, is always putting out cool stuff. Honestly, we haven't even had a chance to cover it. So I'm glad we're here to talk about it today because I'd like to get your guys' view on it. Because I'm still catching up just because there's been so much.

We've been so focused on this amendment and making sure that people are getting off their tails and going and making some phone calls and tweeting their senators and congressman or writing an email or letter um you know so that's that's been the focus of the show um and then in between that you know we just we have our guests um that that that you know bring in the topics that they're familiar with and they want to talk about and and dino beaver you know dino beavers and a lot of dino beavers the last month um you know we've we've been uh doing the kGR a show now so That's been a lot of fun and lining those shows up and talking to some people. I mean, you sent me it with Peter Robbins.

Holy cow. What a beautiful man. He's going to be on the show this week with Avi Loeb. It's going to be him and Avi Loeb on Friday. Oh, wow. And the discussion I had with Peter for two hours was just so awesome, man. I cannot thank you enough for contacting me with him. We got to talk to, you know, Lee Spiegel, which has been a big, big hero of mine.

And Jazz had a little man crush on Lee while we did the show, which was fun. Who doesn't? Who doesn't? I mean, he's so cool. And yeah, you know, just just just having fun, man, having the conversations. You know, I think this is something that it can be talked about every day. And I think it's it's becoming easier and easier as the time goes by. So yeah, man, it's been a lot of fun. Yeah, I caught the Lee Spiegel episode. Man, you guys covered so much and so short amount of time.

Honestly, I could have done two hours just on one aspect, just the, just the UN trip and all of the. That show flew by. It flew by. So fast. I was listening to it on my way to work. So, you know, here in New York, that's a podcast for our commutes, as I'm sure, Lou, for you on the freeways in L.A. Like, you need something to do, jazz too on these commutes or whatnot. And I was on my way to work.

I was working on 45th Street in Manhattan. And I was so, like, enthralled in the conversation. I ended up on, like, 50th Street, five blocks away from my job. I was 20 minutes late. And it was because I was listening to your damn show. So you almost got me fired, guys. Well, that's a shout out to Artemis. I see you guys are in the chat.

When we get done with this today, about two hours from now, stop by Artemis's show. I'm apparently going to be on there too. I agree to way too much stuff. You are, you're a celebrity, man. That's what happens. That's what Lou makes you. Lou makes people.

Oh, stop it, right. I don't make anybody. I don't make anybody. Jazz has been doing this a lot longer than all of us combined. He's been in the game a while. You know, he's not to call him old, but he's our resident. He's our resident curmudgeon and we love him. Jazz, well, I mean, let's start there, man.

We're going to wait a little bit because, uh, John might be hopping in. We'll wait and see. If not, we will cover all his latest. But let's start with, Jess, what you've been up to lately, man. You put out this huge piece recently,

all about, you know, mostly what we'll be talking about today, HR 4350, this amendment by Jillabrand. And, man, if this isn't like explosive news right now, I don't know what is. We're living like literally right now.

It's literally, the biggest news since Louis Alizando came out of the closet, you know? I mean, I really can't think of a bigger story beyond like the New York Times thing and the videos dropping and revealing ATIP. That was certainly gigantic. But since then, there's been a lot of stuff. But this is the biggest development for anybody who's really interested, in my opinion, in ending UAP secrecy and government transparency and things like that. And yeah, the one that came out of the high. House from Congressman Galeos was okay. I was a little disappointed in it. And there was nothing in the original Senate bill. And then all of a sudden, Jillibrand just drops this atomic bomb in the room. And by the time I got done reading it, I was like, am I awake? You know, because that's amazing. So yeah, the bill passed cloture last night around 8 o'clock, which means that it's cleared to move forward. The Senate version of the bill, which is the one that I'm going to speak for everybody, although I shouldn't. It's the one we like a lot. That's one of hundreds of amendments that are

currently on the table in the next steps in the process. And Dean Johnson had really good threat on Twitter this morning if you missed it going through and explaining a lot of the details. But there's a number of those amendments that are never going to see the later day. They're just going to stay on the table and the bill will move on without them. There's a number of going to be some number of them that there's a joint consensus on that they'll put together one or more blocks of amendments because they all have a number assigned as soon as they're entered and they'll read down the list of the numbers of the amendments and there'll be a voice vote and those are the ones they already know they're going to pass I am crossing my fingers and toes

I really hope the gillibrand amendment is one of those there may be one or two contentious amendments that will have to have their own separate debate and vote and but even if that happens if that's where Jill Abrams Amendment goes, I think it would still pass. All that could be done by the beginning of next week. Wow. And then it's going to go to reconciliation because there's a house bill that exists. And the two bills have to match exactly before they can actually be passed and sent to the president's desk. So they're not going to match exactly anything with a lot of spending in it.

And this bill does have massive. There's billions of line items of spending. you know, for the military, for the intelligence agencies. There's a huge black box at the bottom that nobody gets to look into. And it just says, $450 billion, go suck it. You don't know. Okay, let's literally say that. But, yeah, so the Senate version and the House version,

they're going to both chambers will send a committee that will sit down together. And everything that matches between the two will just automatically go through. And then they'll go through line by line, with all the stuff that doesn't match and they'll do horse trading. And if they can't come to any agreement, some of those things may get tossed. But so long as they can come to an agreement, you know, some, if they do, they're going to have to talk about the UAP bill at that point, the amendment and match that up against the Galejo's version.

And if they can't come to an agreement, worst case scenario, then it wouldn't, then it'd be gone. It wouldn't happen. More likely, they're going to have to have an initial discussion of the funding and one side's going to say 750 million. The other side's going to say 900 million. And then somebody will go, come on, guys, 825. And hopefully it just moves on. And if that happens, it goes to Joe Biden's desk and it's going to get signed. And I told Luis earlier this week, I don't want to jinx us, but my confidence is extremely high. I think there isn't going to be a fight. I think the House is

going to give way to almost all of what Gillibrand has. And I think it's going to become law. And then the clock starts and we're going to have a new office and we're going to have new reports. Right. And some big things are coming. I have no doubt. Well, I want to backtrack just a little jazz. Now, you've gone in depth into exactly what's in this amendment. Some of the key bullet points that a lot of UFO people have pointed out.

What? And I'd like your thoughts on this too, Louise. What are you most excited about that you've seen in the Gillibrand Amendment that is, you know, light years ahead of the, this other sort of, you know, bill that we saw a few months ago. What, what stood out to you is like, wow, they're not messing around anymore. Like, this isn't just, you know, what we saw in the UAP report. Like, they're going after some big guns now. I mean, Department of Energy.

She's challenging as well. Yeah, what really stuck out to you within the amendments, I guess? Yeah, what's big to me? of the world that I live and work in is probably not the same as what's biggest to a lot of people in the uphology community. I mean, there's some really exciting stuff. They want information about physiological effects on human beings that have come, you know, in contact with UAP.

They're talking about, you know, gathering reports and information not just from pilots and flight crews, but from the entire military, from the entire intelligence community, from civilians, you know, all that stuff. But what excited me the most was the muscle. This has some real muscle in it. It's going to be a funded office. And the wording that the Senate is using, if it goes through as it's worded now, nothing is voluntary.

It says you will supply. And when Congress tells them, you will do this, you will do that, then they will do it or Congress will come back and cut their funding. Right. You know, and so this new office, ASRO, is, you know, when a report pops up, they're going to have people and the authority in the funding to immediately go out, start asking questions, look for matching information elsewhere. And when they go anywhere except down the black chimneys, which I think we're still not going to get any access to in the military industrial complex. But everywhere else, including the Air Force, never wants to talk about it, including the Department of Energy, who never wants to talk. who never wants to talk about it,

they're going to get to go and say, hey, we need what you have on this, and they're going to have to give it up or face consequences. So that was the most exciting part for me. I really like the heavy muscle and teeth in this, but Luis probably feels something else. No, that's exactly what I was going to say.

And also, well, I was going to add to that, I love that it has a public option here, is that the everyday average Joe is also going to get, a report possibly more than once a year, which is really exciting. I think with all of this also, and I know John Greenwald's here, and I know John Greenwald hates leaks. I personally kind of like leaks. I think leaks are great. I think leaks happen all the time in all sorts of different parts of government that lead to things changing. And so I wouldn't be surprised if a couple leaks also happened, but I think the teeth of the bill, the fact that if this office, this new

Azro office, which is the anomaly, surveillance, and resolution office, goes to a part of the intelligence community and says, hey, we want all of your files on this UAP stuff. And they come back and start giving them static, they can say, okay, no problem. We'll talk again when we have another National Defense Authorization Act and your budget shrinks by half. So are you sure you want to keep that information from us? Because if you do, you're going to have a much smaller budget next year. And they're going to do one of two things.

they're either going to stick their heels in the ground and stick to their guns and not give up any info, or they're going to have their budget slashed. That's real power. That's real. That's an office with just like Jazz said, some actual muscle. It's not a task force with two people. This office is going to have a legitimate budget. We sort of were speculating on what this budget could be. Jazz says he wouldn't be surprised if it's in the one, two, billion dollar range. Spread out over a couple of years. Spread out over a couple years, not every year, but, but that's an actual budget. That is a real budget. They can hire people. They can, they can, they can, they can really organize this information. And I think that's sort of the the biggest goal of this office is going to be able to take those different, um, uh, buckets that was laid out in the first, uh, unclassified report that we got in June. And the, and the, They're going to really be able to establish drone, balloon, and other. And then hopefully get to a determination or a resolution because it's in the name of the office.

They're trying to get to a resolution of what other is. We got to talk about that article later, but I'm going to shut up because I know we got to get John in here and he's a big of guy. Yeah, no, absolutely. But those are the things I'm super excited about. Nice, man. I love that. Well, yeah, we've talked about them enough. Let's bring them in.

our surprise guests for this morning, this afternoon. Mr. John Greenwald, welcome to somewhere in the skies again, my man. What's up, guys? I am super excited to be here. I always love being on with you guys on different shows and you guys are everywhere. Well, thanks, man. I know you had a busy morning. We're best friends.

Beads, bad, da, ba'da, ba'da, ba'a, best friend. Lou, I don't need more Broadway this morning, man. enough of it would work. Well, John, before we get to why, why really have you here some breaking news that you just released over at the Black Vault? What are your thoughts about where we lay right now with the Gillibrand Amendment, everything going on in the Senate? And yeah, man, this stuff is making waves again in the mainstream like never before. But yeah, what do you think? What do you make of where we stand right now with all of this? You know, for me, it's exciting to see unfold. You know, I mean, politicians coming out with new bills, new language, new verbiage, they're, they're,

they're trying to submit and get passed. So I split in my my P little brain, I split it in how I view it. Uh, the me, uh, how I'm excited about it, I want to see how it unfolds. But the other part is the researcher in me, which is, uh, I have to work in the now, you know, and right now there's a big pushback on people like me attempting to get information. They're locking it down. So even though the language is exciting and again, that half of me is, you know, really gung-ho about seeing how it turns out, I'm worried as well. You know, there's part of me that sees the writing on the wall that a lot of information pertaining to UAPs is classified. They're shooting things down. And that's what makes me fear that this office, albeit would be a huge revelation in itself. So I'm not taking away from that at all, nor am I trying to be a negative Nancy, but rather just more of a realist on. this is what they're doing in trying to lock things down. And even though there's a push for public hearings slash reports or whatever,

the final language may ultimately be. Let's say we do get more reports. I fear the watered down June version is what we'll get. We'll get these, you know, very broad overview. Oh, there's something, but we, we're not telling you what it is, but sure, there's a small percentage of what we don't have. So at the end of the day, we're still kind of left in the So I view it two different ways, you know, and I don't want to take away from it.

It's, it's very exciting and it's really worth it. But in the same respect, the writings on the wall that the government and military want to continue what they've done for decades and push back and say, no, even though we're looking into this now, we'll tell you that we are, you're not getting any of it. Somebody gets me a little bit out of here. Get out of here. Yeah, I know. Sign up.

Yeah. I'm kidding. No. I think you're right. I think you're right. It's a harsh reality. Yeah. Jazz is like throwing things at his monitor.

No, no, no. Let me disagree with that. I think you're absolutely right. I can still be excited about the fact that there's going to be a congressional group and someone on the civilian side gathering this information. And I'll sit there like a dog hoping that something falls off the table under the floor and maybe there'll be some things they can release and we can keep pushing for that. But yeah, they're probably going to collect a lot of stuff that we're not.

going to get to see because we have massive overclassification problems in the government, everybody knows this. But that doesn't mean that it's not useful and that they aren't gathering information and a body of work that sometime later might be declassified, you know. And even if it's not, they're working on real issues involving this subject instead of pretending it doesn't exist or it's not happening. And I'll make one prediction about John Greenwald, our very famous guests that we all know and love, is that he's already sitting there.

and going over every government document that's been put out about this bill as it goes through. And we're all excited about the language and the bill and the interviews that are being done. John's over there with pencil, and he's scribbling down every name he sees. And there's probably already been a hundred foyer requests written. I would like all correspondence between this individual and anyone else that has this language in it. And by the time they even get done with the bill, John's going to already just drown them in requests. You know what I really got excited about yesterday during that political article And Gillibrand's first statements on this bill

I know this sounds kind of dumb Because it's sounding dumb as I'm thinking about it But this idea that her kids Her children were like mom we want to know about the UFOs You know like tell us about the aliens and she's like I'm trying to Like I think there's um like I don't don't think, and I think this was a huge fear. And the thing that I love about this is that the announcement of this amendment, not only with the co-sponsors that hopped on conveniently after it was

announced, because I think they saw politically speaking, this is popular. This is something people want to know about. And so I think that wall of secrecy is, I agree, we're not going to get the bodies. We're not going to get the craft. We're not going to get the, but yet, yet, and I think that's many years down the road, but I think that other category starts to become a little bit more defined as to what it could be, what they think it is, the possibilities of it, and just the fact that you have Avril Haines saying extraterritorrestrily, these things could be, it could be one of these things. And then you had yesterday in this very same article, Jillibrand say alien, you know, and Jazz said that was going to happen this week.

Don't be shocked if a senator's, that word pops out of their mouth. I wasn't expecting it. She said other entities once. And she said the unknown twice in a very clear reference. Right. And that's, and that's to me, that's the thing that I'm getting excited about is that I think politicians see it and go, oh, this is a chance to maybe get some votes. This is a chance to get a little bit of popularity or maybe pass a bill that I want pass because the people want transparency on this.

And this is what I've, and I know this is sort of a naive way to think about it. But I think if politicians can bring truth and trust through this topic, where else does that bleed into? What other policies and things in America does that start bleeding into? because I think it's apparent that the more honest and transparent you are, no matter what the topic, it's going to win you political favor. And I think that's encouraging, especially for the senators and congressmen, that may be in there for two decades. And they see, oh, people just want honesty.

Okay, yeah, let me do a little bit more of that, you know. What a concept. What a concept, right? So I think that to me is where it gets exciting. And, but I agree with John. I think we've got a long way to go. I think there is going to be, it's going to be pulling teeth still. It's not going to be something that just they barf out of their mouth.

And all of a sudden, everybody here in this community is happy. I don't think that's the way it's going to go down. But it's fun to see that we're living literally in a moment in history. And we get to see it change right in front of our face. It's happening in real time. And that's just that gets me going. Lou, it's going to be messy. Like no one ever said disclosure if you even consider this disclosure.

I know a lot of people do. A lot of people don't. But no one ever said it was going to be easy or, you know, clean. It's a messy, muddy thing politically, militarily, everything, even theologically. But yeah, I never saw this being where we would be having this conversation in 2021. We've come a long way since Cucinich, you know, even mentioned he had a UFO. Let's look at that. And now look at where we are with the words E.T. and alien and extraterraterrestrially, which I didn't even know is a word of being used by national intelligence directors.

Oh, well, then, there we go, James. But there we go right there. We got to move on to John stuff. But one of the point, the thing that John said, I think it goes down another level even deeper. Getting members of Congress, getting the civilian side of the Pentagon. that are public facing, getting them to come out of the closet, to go along and say things. That's a big move. But as I'm sure, I'm not trying to put words in John's mouth, in the background, on the other side of that wall,

there's a whole bunch of those people that get all that money I was talking about at the top of the show, the money that's in that black box at the bottom of the NDA that you don't get to see, the people that have never wanted to talk to anybody, they don't care about politics. They don't care how popular it is. there's going to be a lot of them who have their heels pushed into the sand, and it's going to take dynamite to move them if they ever move at all. Just my opinion. Not trying to depress anybody,

but if you honestly believe there are some special access programs out there that are working on, you know, we always hear all the typical things. Has anybody been doing crash retrieval? Do they have any bodies, you know, all these other things? Even if that exists, they're not going to turn around and go, oh, we didn't know this was popular. Here you go. No.

They're going to be fighting two. tooth and claw and they will hide all the money and they will hide anything that john greenwald would ever be able to chase they're not going to let their documents get out their names aren't going to get out and there's going to be a wall that if it ever gets broken down it's probably not going to be in my lifetime i am challenged accepted jazz exactly i'm curious to know if if john i want john what do you think do you think that maybe this this grip that you see especially through your FOIA process, loosens a little bit in conjunction with NASA in this James Webb telescope. Like if we in this new year in the first three to four months get confirmation

of techno signatures and other star systems, do you think maybe that will help your job a little bit as far as getting some of this information that you're having a hard time pulling? It all kind of depends on the time frame I look at to answer that question, Meaning, you know, if I go back 10 years, it seems like it's easier. 20 years, it seems like it's getting easier with all of these developments. However, if I look at a time frame of just the last three years, I would respectfully argue it's getting harder. So again, just because I've, you know, I'm getting old and I've been around the block long, you know, in this general field, to gauge whether or not it's getting easier depends on the time frame that I'm looking at. And the reason why I say when you look at a short time frame, it's getting harder is you look at the public affairs side.

You're down to one person that speaks for at least four major entities within the federal government and military structure. So, you know, you're down to, again, the public affairs side, you're down to one person that's fielding all those questions. That in itself makes things very, very hard. In September of 2019, that wasn't the case. I was able to get the Navy to go on the record. and I extracted information that said that the gimbal fleer and go fast were unidentified. This was before they ever officially released those videos of that next year. My point being, again, you go back two years, extracting information was easier.

Now it's much, much harder with the FOIA also running into roadblocks where, yeah, we're having the conversation and that's really good. We need to have it. We need people like Avi Loeb out there, people in the science. scientific community willing to take the challenge, the politicians that are willing to take the challenge. All of that is great. But when it comes to extracting through FOIA, I've had a lot of pushback. One thing I wrote about a week ago was how everything that was sent to the UAP task force casewise was considered classified 100% across the board. Now, I have appealed that and I have tried to fight it. And that case is. ongoing. That's only about a week old, my appeal case that is. But again, my overall point is that it's very difficult because they shut all that down. I still do have hope on the classified version of the UAP report from June. I have had a case open for those who aren't aware, not through FOIA,

but this is part of the Code of Federal Regulations that mandates a government agency has to review classified information for release. Contrary to some what big names out there have said, The information does not have to be 25 years old. That is a huge misconception. It can be an hour old. It could be three minutes old. And you can file under a code of federal regulations depends on the agency, but you can mandate that they review that information for release. And I still do have high hopes that at least a portion of that classified report will come out.

So it's back to your question. when when you have a loosening of the lips, so to speak, and more people are talking, that sounds great. And it, and it is. But also the other part of me goes, why are they talking? You know, why? NASA, I think I have a personal opinion. This isn't meant to be the fact that I'm laying down here.

Again, please do share the facts, John. Speculation only on the NASA side. But I, but that doesn't surprise me that, uh, a, NASA head like that would come out and start talking about aliens because if somebody who heads NASA doesn't believe in that, why would you give them funding? You know, like, why would they lead NASA? That's kind of a default position that I would hope that they would take. And if he comes out and says, I believe aliens are out there. Great. That's why we're giving him money because he's, he's got that mindset to traverse the cosmos. If on the other end, you got a NASA director going,

yeah, we're probably the only ones, but maybe we'll find algae somewhere. It's like, Okay, well, that's really dumb. You know, that's not what NASA should be about. I mean, can you remember any other NASA administrator kind of speaking as openly and and open-mindedly about it as Bill Nelson? I can't, I can't think of any. You know, you're absolutely right. But he's connecting it to the verbiage of the time, which is the UAP and potential extraterrestrially.

That's for you, Jazz. Extraterraterrially connected phenomena. And so I think very much, I think Luis, you were saying, about how these buzzwords are creating popularity. So they just use the buzzwords and all of a sudden they're on the spotlight of every major news organization for having commented on UFOs. In the same respect, he may be doing that as well. Life in the universe has long been talked about by NASA.

I mean, that's why they do stuff like the Hubble, like all of these sky searches, you know, through different space-based systems and stuff like that, sending probes, again, looking for life. In my opinion, scientifically, that's the same thing. same thing. But Bill Nelson is simply attributing it to the buzzword of today, which is the UAP topic. And he segued from that to life in the universe. And then that one panel that he did like six months back or whatever it was, he threw it to one of his scientists. Question was about UAPs. But then the scientists went all about pretty much the astrobiological side of this and looking for life. So that that's not me taking away from what they're saying. Don't get me wrong.

What they're saying is amazing. But in fairness, I think that they're connecting it to the buzzwords of today, but NASA has long talked about life in the universe, and that's what they do. I mean, they're searching. I think John's right, but I would also hate to underscore the evolution of Bill Nelson. Keep in mind, Bill Nelson has been in the military, in the government at various levels, an astronaut. He's been in public life for way over 40 years. and never a peep, nothing about any of this.

And then it was like somebody threw a switch at the beginning of the year, and now you can't get the guy to shut up about aliens. He's down there at the National Cathedral. He was answering a totally different question, and they were getting ready to move on without being asked. He jumped in and said, wait, wait, I haven't even talked about extraterrestrial life yet. And everybody stops, and in my mind I could see someone in the Pentagon, perhaps Susan Goff sitting there face-pombing and going,

get this guy off the freaking she got out of her ice cream truck and just started running to the yeah hey John I'm wondering that that 10 to 20 you said if it's 20 years back in time it's been a little bit easier to grab that information versus three years ago is that a is that

because the systems are a little more sensitive and classified from three years ago versus 20 years ago or are you not asking for things that are revealing these classified operating systems? No, I think that in 25 years, a lot changes. And first and foremost, after 25 years of doing this, I still learn things about the FOIA all the time. I don't think there's such a thing as a FOIA expert because there's so many different facets to it. But with that being said, I think that after 25 years, you learn how to look for information different. And so that's why, again, a little bit easier just because you've learned to

navigate the waters, so to speak, to to get the information. On top of that, too, on their side, technology changes to where they can search for information better. You know, when I'm filing in 1996 as a 15 year old kid, you know, and I'm asking for things, their search engines, their databases, their organization, a lot of that has been transformed in the last 25 years. So them searching in 1996 is a lot different than them searching in 2021. So that also kind of, kind of adds to it. When it comes to classified systems and asking for that to be searched, I have not kind of faltered from asking for classified information. So if I understood what you meant correctly, that hasn't changed with me. I've always gone after both unclassified level information and

classified information in these FOIA searches. I can't think of an instance where I said you can omit classified information from the scope of the search, which you can do, by the way, to help expedite it because then there's really kind of very little review process for unclassified only material. And in fact, I do take that back. I did file a request for unclassified only information when I found out that the gimbal, Fleer, and GoFast were considered unclassified from their inception. So I had done a request attempting to find any other unclassified level, again, just to expedite that that angle of trying to search for things came up negative. But, you know, that that would probably, that's a super rare instance I've ever done that.

Awesome. Well, we do have a super chat here. I'll get to it quick. Yeah, I didn't even mention, guys. If you want to help out the show, super chats open. You can ask questions of our guests. Get your comments highlighted. But, John, yeah, before we move on, if you wouldn't mind answering what CJ asked there,

Um, do you have a lawyer or an attorney that helps you with this sort of stuff if it gets sticky or muddy or um, yeah, how does that work in your world? Yeah, sure. No, it's a great question. Uh, I have none on retainer for FOIA related matters. Uh, over the years, though, I have had the honor and privilege of being associated with quite a few very well known, uh, attorneys that deal with these matters. Uh, I don't like to name drop or anything, so I don't want to point them out, but, uh, they're very well known in the arena where we have all kind of come to know each other. And I don't take advantage of the friendship and being colleagues, so to speak. I'm not an attorney, but just kind of working in the same arena.

Try not to take advantage of it, but sometimes when I have a legal question, I'll reach out to them. Most of what I do on a legal sense, I've kind of just taught myself over the years. I think I was a lawyer in a past life somewhere. I worked with a lot of legal issues in television production, rights and clearances issues and stuff like that. And although that sounds completely unrelated, very much legalese is, is, very, you know, very much related depending upon the topic. It, it, it, you can kind of attribute the skill set you learn from here and, and, and, and, uh, associated over here and it kind of still fits.

So when I do appeals and stuff, uh, from a legal standpoint, uh, I don't at this point have really a need, uh, for the attorney. Um, when you get into litigation, uh, that's, that's when you essentially bring somebody in that's much smarter than me to fight it in the court system. I just haven't had a real reason to do it because those are those are tough cases. And that's why those when you hear about Freedom of Information Act cases, they're done by these gigantic, you know, either nonprofit organizations or major media outlets. I will say Jason Leopold, who's an investigative journalist right now.

He's at BuzzFeed. He was at Vice News prior. He's written about some of my stuff over the years. I pinpoint him because when you look at what he's done and he's got, more lawsuits, I think, in the FOIA arena than anybody. He's backed by major media outlets to help him, you know, probably not only finance it, but also the name behind it helps in those types of lawsuits. So whole point being it's very, very difficult when you get into judicial review to do that

when you're one person, when you're a media outlet or a major nonprofit. It's a little bit easier. Thank you for answering that, John. Yeah, well, let's, let's move on to your latest F.O. a success. And that was some breaking news that you brought today, a new Navy UAP case that, to your knowledge, my knowledge, a lot of us out there has not been made public yet. So let's see if this works. Yep, there it is. There's your latest. So, John, yeah, if you don't mind, man, running us through a little bit of what this is, what you found, whatever you want to share with us. Absolutely. Yeah,

this was fun. He explains that. Let me just jump backstage for a second. And I was going to say, John says there's no such thing as a FOIA expert, but there is a FOIA king. I've been called worship. Ben the knee. Ben the knee. No, but I appreciate that. So, yeah, so this was a pretty cool find. And again, I'm not sure how much your audience likes FOIA stuff.

So I'll go over this very briefly. I did a much longer video, which I integrated into the article that kind of shows the paper trail. But very quickly, those who do need. navigate FOIA, what I always recommend is you look at every single character and word on a document because there are leads and everything. For example, that that unclassified version of the UAP report in June, only nine pages. I filed more than 50 cases out of that. When I first read it, I was really let down, but then when I, you know, took a deep breath and said, okay, there's something here. And then read it again, 50 different cases stemmed out of that. So you look for everything. And these

were documents I got in 2019. And there was, there are internal communications from the U.S. Navy all about UAPs. And I targeted certain individuals. Jazz was was not joking when he says, I look at names and, and try and pick up who to go after because that's exactly what I did with this, where you look for those names and then go after material, look for program names, go after material, look for dates, go after material. So this particular one was in a stack of, you know, hundreds of different pages. And they mentioned this OLA weekly about a briefing to some staffers, assuming at the time there were Senate staffers about a UAP program office. Now, that wasn't 100% accurate, but I knew that this OLA weekly would be something to go after. Now, OLA is the Office of

Legislative Affairs. And within the U.S. Navy, what they essentially do is work with Congress, the Senate, on legislative issues, communications, senators and congressmen will get involved in VA, type issues. And so, so again, they've got a multitude of, of things that they deal with. And every week, they have this OLA weekly that talks about all of the various issues. And it is very wide ranging. I published the entire document. You can get it. So I started chasing this. And it took more than two years to get this OLA weekly. It could be nothing. Like when you file FOIA request, you know, no idea what you're going to get. It could be gold. It could be a complete waste of time.

Thankfully, this one was, I would say a gem. I'm not sure if it was solid gold, but it was definitely a gem. Got the OLA weekly and what they were referring to internally at the Navy was partially accurate. It was about UAPs or in this particular instance. They talked about anomalous aerial vehicle encounters that were briefed to the Senate Armed Services Committee, PSMs or professional staff members. And then it shows you the date, 16 January.

The document was 2019. So this is 2019. An FAA 18 pilot from VFA 103 met with the Senate Armed Services Committee. They named the people here. They blacked those out. The Armed Services Committee staff members have continuing interest in unidentified aerial vehicle intercepts that have occurred in the working airspace off the U.S. East Coast. And this is the designator for the pilot, which is redacted, gave a detailed brief on his personal encounter. her short and sweet, but you start dissecting that that we know that there was a briefing on 16 January 2019.

Brian Bender was about three to four months out from breaking his story on the Navy guidelines that went out. So the timeframe of these are very fascinating to kind of hone in on based on Alex Dietrich's Twitter posts for those who pay attention. She had posted with a timestamp when her and David Fravor were in front of the Capitol building. Pay attention closely to that photo. You'll see the date at the top. which was 2018. That's one of the earlier briefings that I'm aware of that you kind of pick up and go make a mental note and go, okay, 2018, they were doing these briefings at least with Dietrich and Fravor. What else was there? This was January of 2019. His personal encounter, where we can rule out Fravor simply because he was not VFA 103. We can rule out. Um, Ryan Graves, Danny. I've never known the pronunciation of his lat Alcoigne, uh, Forgive me if I've botched that. They were profiled by the New York Times. The Roosevelt encounters, they were at, with the USS Roosevelt off the southern coast of the East Coast.

VFA 103 is stationed at NAS Oceania, which is in Virginia Beach, Virginia. So you start dissecting this and you realize absolutely nothing that we know of that I can recall, and I invite anybody to please, please, please correct me, this siting is brand new. So we know it would happen either January of 2019 or prior. They're part of VFA 103 and VFA 103 is known as the Jolly Rogers, again, stationed at NAS Oceana in Virginia. So all evidence shows that this particular siting within this squadron was brand new. And so that came out from this OLA weekly. What's new today, I published this yesterday.

I did reach out to the Pentagon. had nothing by the time I wrote the article. I have updated it today. And the Pentagon said that the entire briefing was classified and they will not be commenting on it. So I could not get confirmation on, you know, is this a publicly available? Like a, like, like, you know, was this the pilot that became part of VFA 103?

He shot the, the gimbal video. And so he's there testifying, you know, can you say anything? Uh, no, it was completely closed off because it was classified. So, um, Um, cool little gem in my opinion because it adds, even though we know that there are more cases we haven't heard about, this locks it in in an official release. And for those who are either just more of the, uh, spectators and want to know more information, it's a small piece of the puzzle, but a piece nonetheless.

For the researchers out there like myself, you look at that and now that branch is often to trying to figure out, okay, now we have documented proof a briefing took place. What that means is I was able to file a. case right before I published the article, filed a case with the U.S. Navy for everything that was relating to the briefing because I would imagine, but can't prove yet, but this case will bore this out, uh, that they would have to approve the information that was going to be presented to the Senate staffers, uh, or took part in creating the materials or submitted videos of the UAP encounter.

Who knows, but my guess is something was there. So this establishes a. foundation and then the cases go from there and we see what happens at first i didn't think it was real i woke up to this blinding light and i was transported to another place pluto tv then i heard a voice come with me if you want to live there were thousands of movies and shows and they were all free the truth is our it's just so beautiful on pluto tv free streaming of terminator two fringe arrow the 100 nx files may cause excitement loss of sleep and sudden belief in extraterrestrials no credit card or alien encounters necessary. Pluto TV. Stream now, pay never.

And you said you found 50 of them, John? Filed. 50 cases or 55? I filed from the UAP report in June. I was using that as an example that you always look for little gems. This particular one spawned maybe two or three. Wow. Hey, that's all we can ask for. That's amazing, John.

I mean, yeah, I don't... Jazz are muted. Oh, jazz is muted. Before we move on, I do have another super chat here. The end game for Elizondo Mellon is not only disclosure, but also to get dedicated new government branch with hundreds of billions of dollars per year funding

for human, non-human relations. So John is kind of entering into exopolitic territory with that. I don't know. Do you guys think with everything that's happening right now, are we moving towards sort of an exopolitical landscape with all of this? Or is it much too early to even make, make a educated guess on something like that. What do you guys think? For me, it's too preliminary. I think it's a government military absolutely works in a step process. I think their first step is

taking UAP seriously, which it seems like they have establishing a research base, but I think that they're far off from doing a non-human contact research angle. So yeah, for me, it's a little bit too preliminary. And there's a lot of private organizations that have worked on communications like not only SETI, but I believe the other one is METI, M-E-T-I. I may have that acronym wrong, but that's by Dr. Doug Vakach, who I interviewed years ago for a Discovery Channel show that I'd produced. And it's amazing when you get into extraterrestrial communications and, you know, who speaks for humanity and what was amazing in that.

And this is a whole show in itself. I won't go off on a tangent. But essentially, like, in my opinion, the scientific community on a worldwide scale is kind of clueless on who will actually speak for humanity. Some groups have an angle and some groups want to be the ones that may speak for humanity. But there's like no worldwide global initiative to say if aliens show up, who leads the charge? Is it the UN? Is it America? Is it, you know, who is it? Is it the dolphins maybe? You know, you never know who.

It's definitely not the Miami Dolphins. They're there. Yeah. Hot garbage. So it's a fascinating topic. But to get the government in on that and fund research on it, I don't, I don't see we're close to that. Okay. Yes.

As far as a non-human exo-political landscape, I kind of agree with John, but from a human exo-political landscape, I think we're getting pretty close. I mean, we've established the space force. Just the other day, you know, Russia blew up a satellite and, and we forced the, you international space station to go into essentially a space bunker. You know, so I think from there is exopolitics is where I think we're getting closer and closer to that one how how close we are to adding a non-human element or conversation into the exopolitics arena.

I'd say we're a few years out from that. We still have a long way to go. We just need to as a government, as a nation, understand there is a they're there. They are there. There is something in the sky that our government cannot decipher or understand. And it's an issue because we don't know what it is. We don't know what the intentions are. And that's what this bill is looking to give resolution to.

So when I wrote that article about will anybody be saying the word aliens, that was one of the things I kind of touched on. I'm just curious what you guys think. You know, particularly Ryan, what do you think? If we have ASRO working, you know, hand in hand with members of Congress, if they come out and actually say the words as they've started to, like, we don't know yet, but maybe this could be extraterrestrials. I think John brings up an excellent point. Has anyone in the United States government ever spent any time saying, well, what if it is? What do we do then? Do we have a plan? Do we have a, like, would we try to make contact if that's even possible? If they decide to get hostile, could we even defend ourselves? I mean, is that something, do you guys see that office tackling? Because it seems to me, like, whether or not it turns out to be, because we don't know yet,

but if it does turn out to be the A word, shouldn't we have some sort of plan in place? Like, what happens next? Well, yeah, jazz. And, you know, we've got one more story for John that he's going to share with us. But to answer your question, I would turn to your. guys interview with Lee Spiegel. You know, there have been these rumors of these manuals throughout the years, whether it was the Air Force or other branches of the military on how to deal with these things if they

were to happen. So, I mean, Lou, what do you think after hearing Lee talk about that manual that he uncovered through the work of... I mean, I read the manual. Right? Yeah, I read the manual. It's absolutely mind-blowing, but some people in the Discord, we had a discussion about it after the show in the Discord.

I'm curious to know the editors and military personnel who wrote the manual. I want to also see what else they wrote and do a little background on them before we could call it a smoking gun, but it was

really cool. And I know John's got to leave here in a few minutes, so if we could get to his second story, that would be awesome. Yeah, I'm so sorry. Normally, I would want to stay longer. I just got to bounce out of here at 11. Absolutely. Let's do it. No, what's this?

Yeah, what's cool is this may actually be a kind of a fun segue to go back to what jazz said really, really quickly about the question of who speaks for humanity. Can we fight them off? I did that show for discovery where we talked about extraterrestrial communication. And even though that was quite a few years ago now, what my biggest takeaway was that we really just don't have a plan for the communication. I was later hired to do a show for History Channel about if aliens attack, how, why, would they do it and how would they do it and could humanity survive and it was all about all these scenarios that the series was all these scenarios that you know could potentially end the human race or see where we might end up it i got the alien episode of course uh and essentially you can see that we would be left in the dust and and that is such a fascinating topic i could bore you to death for hours on but uh doing those shows though it really made me realize that humanity is not ready as a collective whole to communicate or, God forbid, fight off. What's interesting, though, is, and that's kind of the lead-in to this,

when it comes to fighting them off, is extraterrestrial warfare that is this 1965 document. Now, really quickly, it showed up on eBay, for those that saw this on Twitter, I think it kind of gave a little bit of traction. This is an active... How much did you pay for it, John? Well, you can see nothing, by the way. Not yet. Not yet. But you can see here a million dollars, right? And this is an active,

active listing right now. So this is a live view of eBay. They still have it. It's a million bucks. And there really wasn't anything. I mean, it's a legit copy. It did look legit to me, simply because of the way that the stamps were, the different downgrade to unclassify. All that actually looked really legit. So I assumed that it was a real document. And it was made by the Combat Operations Research Group or Corg. This is through the U.S. Army at the time in the mid-1960s. They did these types of research papers. And so this cool guy wanted a million bucks.

He wanted a smooth mill for this thing and really didn't give anything away of what the document was about, you know, a little abstract here. So I chased it through FOIA and quite a few months later ended up getting it. And here it is. I mean, literally, you're going to free. I love it. I love it. You just completely destroyed the value of that in the market.

You know, I, because what I have an eBay account and I was going to text the link to the guy with no, with no message. Just text him to the link. Just say, hey, look. So, so anyway, the whole document is here. And it's about essentially fighting in the space domain. And, you know, they use the word extraterrestrial warfare. And you see how it kind of breaks down how we would fight in a space environment. This was 1965.

And even though these types of papers do not, and they even say it in the front, they don't necessarily reflect the views of the either author or the United States. Army. So it's, that's their disclaimer that this isn't an official view. It's still interesting because they, they write these papers and they sanction these papers. In some cases, they fund these types of research papers to look into stuff like this. And, and this was again, 1965, they were talking about warfare in space and how we would fight it in different environments and stuff like that. If we were to establish, let's say, a lunar outpost and got attacked, you know, how would we fight? Somebody has to go to eBay and go into the comments and go, or you could get it for free from John and put a link in there.

Like, oh, dude, sorry to ruin your retirement. I was just going to say, guys, our super chats open. If you guys want to donate and get to a million dollars today, we'll get the reason. But there goes that idea. Thanks, John. Thank you. Yeah. This is so cool.

When you brought this to me last minute, I'm like, yeah, we have to cover this. Yeah. And that's why I was kind of a couple minutes past. I was really trying to get back into my office. And then this literally popped in, uh, to my email and bringing it up really quick. So yeah, it was about 45 minutes to an hour before you asked me to come on. And I was like, all right, I can get that done. And I was so I was kind of finishing up a couple things unrelated to the black vault and

then trying to get that on. I was like, if you give me until 10.15, look, wait, you guys love this. Is there anything, quickly anything that you read in here that you found interesting that maybe could lead you on another foyer rabbit hole? Uh, I'll be honest with you. since I literally have not just got it. I mean, it was,

yeah, it's, uh, no, usually a lot of times what you do is you jump to the references. Uh, I mean, obviously the meat of the, the, the paper here that I'm kind of thumbing through. You're going to get a lot of information, but it's usually the references and sadly this document has none, uh, but references in the back give you literally sometimes hundreds of leads. And what the references are are where they like the footnotes, stuff like that. So if they get a fact from somewhere. they talk about a program name. They'll have like a number two or three or four. And then you go to the footnote. Kind of like what Wikipedia does, right? So you read the whole article and then at the bottom, they have all of those references and footnotes.

Same with government documents. So you always look for that. This sadly didn't have anything. But it does kind of go into detail about, you know, the struggles of warfare. I didn't notice any program names, but I did note that the cover is secret, that it was stamped secrets. So at one time this was a secret on a secret level, usually in papers like this, the reason was that in 1965, something they talked about in here gave it a secret designator. Later, it went down to confidential, which is the lowest level. And then it was unclassified here. and let me see.

It doesn't have the date. Hey, Akashi, Chris, we have our first eBay fund for it. So thanks. Sorry, John. No, no, that's okay. You're almost at the mill. 1965, you said? Yeah, 65.

It was written 74 fully declassified to an unclassified level. But this is a prime example, though, of even though documents are at an unclassified level, doesn't mean they're really readily available to the general public. And not to give you a cheesy end here, but that's why I do what I do, you know, is that now we don't have to pay a million dollars to see some guy's copy of this. We don't have to go to some obscure library that has it collecting dust, you know, in a corner somewhere. Because I did find a few references to it in not public libraries, but like military, you know, military libraries that they were archiving a copy of it. And that's all problematic because you have very few places. to get it. When I got this through FOIA, you can see what I did, put it online. Now anybody can

download it for free and, and, and get it. So that really has always been kind of a main focal point of the black vault, even though I, I love UFO secrets and JFK assassination material, stuff like that. It's just the collective whole of being able to share this information with other people. It doesn't cost you anything. You go on there, can download it. And there you go. So, um, so yeah, that's, uh, that's where we're at. John, this ties into the question I DM'd you, but if you don't mind, just real quick before you have to go. No problem. When you received this document, because I can't tell just by looking at it, and I haven't been to your site yet, obviously, and I will go be digesting this later.

Is this digitized? Like, is it searchable, or is it just a series of scans? So it was not searchable when I got it. It was a series of scans that the Army sent me through a digital copy through email. A lot of times when they make these, they're either not knowledgeable enough or they're, They don't know how or they don't care to make it a searchable document. So before I posted it, you can see here I made it searchable. That's why you can highlight the text. So everything that's readable by the OCR software that I use is then made into searchable text.

Once it gets into search engines and stuff, people will be able to find it. And then they can find it, you know, on the actual page that I created that precedes it, which is this one here. That is so awesome. man. People who don't know, I wrote an article about this recently. John has like all, every imaginable JFK assassination document and none of them were searchable until he got them. He has an entire library. I correct me if I'm wrong, I think the total number of pages document, it goes into the millions and John created it's like 3,000 page long index and you can search everything if you want to find out something about that. So that's awesome because the government

doesn't do the work, but John's doing that work. JFK ass. I thought that's what you were searching for a minute. You know, it's just a trick. You don't have to spell the whole word and it'll pop up. No, this is a great example. I didn't quite realize I did. I blasted ass on your show right now.

That's sweet JFKS. That's what you get here on somewhere in the skies. Yeah. John, if you want to foil that, I'd be the first to read it, sir. That's a different, that's a different black ball for talking about. Different show. So this is this is what jazz is talking about.

So it's a full database. And jazz is absolutely right. I thought about this in the back of my head while he was talking that when when NARA, the National Archives released through the Trump administration, those documents, they did so in the worst way possible. And they did so you couldn't search them. You had to download these gigantic zip files, none of which worked for the first couple of days or it was very hard to get in.

So once I got all the data, I just literally started a. process and converted everything. So you can see here all the different releases, download them, 39 gigs of, uh, of information of PDFs that you can download, but all searchable. And like jazz says, there's a 3,000 32 page index to break it all down. Um, but, but that's incredible. It was, uh, yeah, it was a big challenge, uh, for, for the time, you know, trying to get everything. But, uh, case in point, though, the government, even though you, you have freedom of information and the freedom to information, essentially you've got to sometimes work to make it work for you. And creating these types of databases and searchable PDF documents and stuff

is not always easy to do. But that's what I've tried to do here is just make it easy for everybody. All this for free, by the way. If you're looking for a good place to go support, John has his own YouTube channel. There's a number of ways. He doesn't charge anybody for any of this. Anybody can go to the Blackfault. If you want to go research JFK assassination, you're not going to pay a goddamn dime and you can search, tech search, all that stuff. I'm still in awe. I'm amazed by the work you do, sir. I appreciate that, Jazz. You're hired as my personal PR. Well, John, I'll end with saying, you were the reason I ever got my first ever FOIA response. Had you not showed me how to do it properly, because I did do exactly what you said.

I went to some department and said, give me file, UFO, Tehran. Just give it to me. And of course, I came to you and said, is this how I should do it? And you walk me through, like how, which department to go to, which might have something, keywords to use. And without you doing that,

I would not have it framed here in my apartment, my first ever response. So I do have to thank you for that. And everything you do, man. I don't think a lot of people realize how hard you work on this to get this stuff out to the public. So I got to. I just push some buttons and hope for the best. No, you don't.

We all know. We know there's a lot. I also just to just to butter up John's buns before you get it's out of here. The people that you inspire that are sort of carrying, starting to pick up the torch on the stuff that you do. For example, Britain Wonderland or even Sean Rosh over at Witness Citizen. like they're they're following your lead and they're getting some really cool documents and and you know not getting any answers of course like all of us but they're finding some cool stuff and it's and it's fun to read and it's fun to talk about it's fun to look at so that's all thanks

of you man you know you that's awesome you've got the machete you're cutting the the the path for all of us and we just get the follow so it's cool thanks man no it's it's my pleasure i love hearing that to. I've always been a big advocate for for teaching people how to do that, you know, and setting them on. I call it a journey. You know, we're all on our own journey and we may not always agree as we travel our respective paths. But man, it's such an awesome feeling to hear stories like that. So thank you guys for for saying that all around. Thank you. Totally sincere. Absolutely, man. Well, before you go, obviously, please let us know where we can find everything you're up to, the podcast, um, in your website. everything give it to us for me i appreciate that yeah the the easiest way is the black vault dot com

uh that gives you the social media roadmap i'm pretty active on twitter and facebook mostly when it comes to social media youtube uh i have two channels one which is the original content called the black vault originals and then the other is more of the archive the government videos and stuff like that uh always wish there were more hours in the day but uh but i do post when i can so yeah i appreciate the opportunity coming on and chatting with you guys and hopefully we'll all get to hang out again soon absolutely man well thank you for coming um have a great afternoon my man and i know this is only the beginning of the journey so have a great afternoon thanks all you guys too have fun later my man uh buttering up john's buns and what i didn't think we

would have in you know it's funny man is in my brain i was like damn it i wish i was in Vegas right now because i would put the over under where would you guys put the over under at eight minutes before 11 if John was going to finish at 11 and he always goes over even though he says I got to leave at 11 there's no way there's there's there's no way you're going to be here for at least five more minutes over the yeah yeah I mean I was thinking that through the whole thing it's like I got I'm going to be doing Artemis prime uh in 50 minutes and I came into this knowing if you get the four of us together and start talking I it just it flew we didn't get to half the stuff I know I know It can stay a little longer if you guys want to do it.

But I was just like, I know how every show I've done. I've interviewed Ryan for our network. I've been on with John before. And of course, all the stuff on UCR, you always think it's like, okay, I got this schedule. We're going to talk about A, B, and C. And this is going to be great people are going to like it. And three minutes into it, it's like, holy shit, did I tell you what happened this one time? You know, and everybody's got stuff.

And it's always so enjoyable, you know. and you just get lost and the time just evaporates. It flies, man. And, yeah, I mean, I don't want to take up all your time before the next show, Jess. So we'll move on to sort of the last thing I wanted to talk to you about. You let me know when you got to go, brother. You got to warm up before the next show, take a little break, whatever you need.

Let me know. Now, what I really need to do is get rid of the water and soda and get a martini before the next show. It's time. Talk to some witches. That is the dirtiest water and soda I've ever seen. No, it's just, it's Coke, the ice melt. it. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. All right. I was like, wait, what's going on? I'm thinking, I'm just thinking of like water. It's that upstate New York water, man. Trust me. I know, Jess. That's the best water. He's right. He's right. You don't want New York water, really. What was it, Ryan? Go ahead. See, here we go again. I know.

We're doing fun together. And it's like, that's what I do. I can feel the audience going, get on to the UFO. Get on with it. Monty Python. Get on with it. We're going to talk about our future in space event at the Nath. National National Cathedral, November 10th. I'm just going to run through the summary really quick, guys. Space is the new frontier of humanity. Please excuse the siren in the background. NASA is planning a new generation of exploration. Scientists are debating the possibility of E.T. Life.

What does the space rush mean at a moment when private citizens are launching spaceships? And the National Director of Intelligence has released a report assessing UAP, which all familiar with now. As we look toward the heavens, what does the possibility of life out there mean for our religious life? Crazy. I know on UCR, you guys did like a three hour review of this thing right after it ended, which was awesome. So yeah, let's get your perspectives maybe a week or so out from this thing. Speakers were Avro Haynes, Avi Loeb, Bill Nelson, and even freaking Jeff Bezos showed up with this thing. So, My God. Again, the world is just bizarreo right now when it comes to this topic.

I can't believe we're having these conversations. Is this a news show or a movie when you're watching? That's all I'm thinking. Go ahead, Louise. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think of this whole thing? Yeah, give it to us. And I'm going to play a clip too, but yeah, give us your new show.

I thought it was awesome. I thought it was fun to watch. It was a really cool setting in a church. It was, I loved the organ at the beginning of it. You know, it almost felt like a Star Wars award, like a medal ceremony. And I believe Bill Nelson. And then it sort of ballooned into Avril Haynes and Jeff Bezos and the theologian that we saw at the end. I'm forgetting his name right now.

You know, it wasn't, it, it wasn't a discussion just strictly on UAP, but it was about space sprinkled with UAP. And it seemed like that question came up to every guest on the panel, which was really cool. I mean, Jeff Bezos poohed it a little bit. And, you know, but I think the most fascinating part was watching Avi Loeb placate to the millionaires that are sitting in the room. You know, we need more funding. We need more funding. We need more people who are interested in this. You know, we need $100 million to really look at this.

And he's right. he needs that $100 million range to sort of really tackle this. I am curious. We're going to have Avi on the show Friday. I'm curious to know how, because the first time we spoke with him, it was he didn't want government help. He didn't want anything to do with the government because he doesn't want his data to be classified or restricted in any way.

He wants it to be open and available to everyone as soon as it's available. So I'm curious to know how does the Galileo project and this bill, a government amendment how they're going to coexist. That's really what I'm curious about and how that connection was made. I'm assuming it to Christopher Mel and Lou Elizondo thing. But, you know, I guess we'll get some a little bit clearer answers of that. But yeah,

I mean, it's anytime you can get religious leaders, director of national intelligence, a Harvard scientist. And, and, and, and just great thinkers overall in a place where they can talk about this and nobody sounded crazy.

Nobody got made fun of. There was no post like, oh, look at these, you know, tinfoil hat people. Like it was, it's a conversation that is now starting to be picked up by Politico. It started to be picked up. I just saw the New York magazine just put out an article. Oh, yeah. Yep. What's happening with this Gillibrand Amendment.

It's intelligence or two. Yeah, it's coming. It's here. And that's what I was going to say, Louis. So it's not coming. We're in the middle of it right now. We're in the middle of it. Yeah.

Well, Jess, before we get your thoughts, brother, if you guys don't mind, I'm going to play the small clip that was kind of the highlight that the mainstream picked up on with, again, Avril Haynes, the director of national intelligence. So bear with me while I get this set up here. And then we'll just comment on this. And then, Jazz, you go get ready, my man. D&I. Haynes on this topic of life out there, you issued an extraordinary preliminary

assessment in June on unidentified aerial phenomena, is the new term of art. To summarize that report, you studied 144 reports from U.S. government sources. 80 had multiple sensors that had made the identifications. In 18 of these instances, observers, I'm quoting, reported unusual. UAP flight characteristics. You sorted these into five different bins, the last call just other. I want to ask you to share with the audience your takeaway after the completion of that report and what's your own view is as you look at the evidence. Yeah, I mean, I think the bottom line is that we don't understand everything that we're seeing, and that's probably not surprising to

anybody in many respects. But it is, it was a report that really Congress asked us to produce a report that assessed what we saw as the threat essentially from an identified aerial phenomenon and what our sort of best understanding was of the different reports that we had identified. And it stretched over from, I think, 2004 through to 2021, the different reports that you identified, that you indicated 144 of them. And we had different categories, as you said. So one of them was airborne clutter, another was natural phenomenon. Another was foreign adversaries. A fourth one was related to sort of U.S. government or industry developmental programs.

And then the fifth one was other. And that basically indicated that we were pretty sure we weren't going to be able to characterize every single one of these reports in the various categories that we'd identified, because, frankly, we were not able to understand everything about it. And a large portion of that is based on the fact that we don't have a consistent way of reporting this information. We need to integrate, frankly, a lot of data that we get. We need to get better at collecting information that's useful to us from different sensors that are available to us. And we have to deepen our analysis in these areas.

And that's something that, you know, frankly, probably also doesn't surprise you in the sense that that's how we typically approach our intelligence. work. And the main issues that Congress and others have been concerned about are basically safety of flight concerns and counterintelligence issues. But of course, there's always the question of, is there something else that we simply do not understand that might come extraterrestrially? Wow. Okay. Damn. Extraterrously. While it may not be a real word. We're calling it here. It's official. Now it's official. Because Everald Haynes said it. So it's a word now. I mean, according to her title, she's honorable, so she's got to be a word, right? For anybody who cares, I know because I get poisoned because I deal with so many people in political Twitter as compared to UFO Twitter all the time.

Anybody who thinks that Averill Haynes is, you know, if you think, well, she works for this administration and not that one and maybe I shouldn't trust her, she's not a political person. She's never been. She came out of the same stable as Lou Elizondo. She came up through the intelligence ranks. And if you think, well, women don't do that, well, then you can kiss my ass. But she's been doing this forever, you know, and she knows how the system works. And I thought it was very brave of her to go out there and speak about it in that very frank fashion. And I won't even go into the detail.

I'll just say, I'm impressed. She's bold enough because the government is often fearful of saying, we don't know. because they don't want the populace to be panicked. It's like, you don't know, you're the ones running everything. And, you know, she's bold enough to come out and say, yeah, we're trying to find answers for you because this is important. But no, the fact is, we don't know yet. And we're looking at possibilities. We're using the best tools and methods we have.

We need to improve those. But I really, I love what she did. And I can't say anything better about it. I mean, it was a short but very great showing, I thought. Jess, do you think, and a lot of people in the chat are saying she deflected completely, she danced around the question, blah, blah, blah. I mean, yeah, I mean, she, there's not much she can say because they don't know yet. That's, again, what do you want her to say?

Oh, it's aliens. Right. Well, she doesn't have an alien to show us. Or the other, I mean, if you're conspiratorial minded, and I've had moments like that myself, if you think they have those things, but they've decided it's national security and they can't show us. Well, she can't just show up on TV and talk about something that hasn't been declassified. That's what John was talking about. She has limits on her, too.

But she was at least willing to say, you know, there's stuff that we see. We need to know about this. This is important. And at least as far as she's able to tell us, it's like, we don't know what it is, but we're open to possibilities. and we're going to put new tools in place and we're going to do better. And I don't know how much more you want, Arvara, really. Yeah. Well, let's say.

I appreciate, I just appreciate how the question was framed really well. Like, and it was right, you know, like out of 144 cases, this is what was, you know, classified as really weird. These with multiple instruments. Like, they laid out the report. perfectly and what it was trying to do in these within these 144 cases. So I'm happy to see that, and I don't know if you want to call this part of mainstream media, but that a media outlet like this, even though it's a church event, but it's a church event in the most political city in the country, Washington, D.C. And it's a, it's a church with some, I want to say power,

but it's got some significance within the political system because it's a, tracks political people like an Avril Haynes. So I think it's refreshing to that they got the information right and that she answered it. And I think the only way she could have because, again, anything past that she gets in trouble. She might lose her job, her security clearance, her pension. Like those things matter to people. I hate to break it to everybody. And like Jazz said, even if you think it's conspiratorial, you know,

So there, I know a lot of people probably don't like to hear this, but I think there are very good reasons why they don't just spill the beans on all of this stuff. And I think those reasons are very simple as they don't have answers to the questions people are going to really be asking. And they don't want to appear foolish. They also don't want to lose funding, you know. So they want to keep this military apparatus alive and well because it protects our. skies. It protects our oceans. It's a beacon in other parts of the world that are rife with disaster and war. And to threaten that, just to answer, yeah, we got the bodies. We got, we got the alien craft. I just, it's, you're not putting yourself in the shoes of somebody who

works in that, in that world. And I don't, and I, even with that said, I think it's very difficult to put yourself in the shoes of somebody who works in that world because you've never been in that world for the most part. I know I haven't. The other part of that forum, by the way, and I'm sorry to interrupt, but it was at the church, you know, it was at the cathedral. Right. And one of the questions that we haven't really touched on, they were asking, you know, like, what if this is a reality? What if there's something else? And what does that say to our religious beliefs collectively across the planet with the many religions we have? Before we get done, if you don't mind, I'll just very briefly share. I had this conversation once with a friend and colleague of mine that I work with at Salem,

at Morrissey, who has himself a deacon. And I asked him that question. I said, what would it mean to the world's really? Because we always hear the thing like the government doesn't want to tell us because there'd be a mass panic if there were aliens, right? And one aspect of that, although there are many, is that religious people would be just totally freaked out. And I asked him, I was like, what would it mean if there were? was a second genesis. What if we had proof that life evolved elsewhere? Because at least the Christian religion and many religions all have this very earth-centric, you know, thing. And he said,

you know, I don't claim to have all the answers, but I was at a forum with a priest at one point where that question came up. And he said something that really stuck with me. And he said, and he's a Catholic, by the way. And the priest told him, he goes, if we need to think about it in that fashion, I would just say to people that when God gave us the message, when the Bible was written, when Jesus came down, God told us what we needed to know to get by. If there's new information that shows up later, then God will make that apparent. And his whole take was finding a second Genesis doesn't make the first Genesis irrelevant. You know, so that was the message.

That's not my message. Ed shared that with me. And I wanted to share that with everybody. Yeah. Because, you know, maybe that's how the church would adapt to it. It's just like God gave us what we needed to get started. Now we've blossomed out into this whole new thing. Maybe there's new information and it will be made apparent to us.

I'm not trying to preach. I'm not saying I'm the most religious world. I think that sort of underlines the sediments that the theological. that the theologian at the end of the discussion with Avi Loeb was saying. David Wilkinson. David Wilkinson. He was basically said the exact same thing. You know,

like the proof of ailing life doesn't just null and void religion. Yeah. It, it strengthens it. It proves the existence of God and how great God is. And that he is a creator. That's what God does. He or she,

it creates things. And so you think it just began and stopped with Earth. If Genesis is correct and all of this was made in a week, you know, then that means, all right, my job's done here. Let me go to another little plodot and see what I can do over there. Like how many weeks did God have before he did us and how many weeks afterwards, right? Right. How much vacation time did he take? Well, well, and this is again, right, I know.

We'll move on from the religion aspect, but not before talking about. I mean, this is what she was trying to convey in her book, American Cosmic, is this idea of religion moving into another landscape of what these UFOs, what these aliens might mean. And is this a new form of religion? And could the major religions around the world embrace this topic and infuse it into their beliefs? I mean, if you look at a lot of the major religions, they all kind of have the same core messages and how would this topic eventually be embraced or rejected from that has always been

a big interest of mine. I've told this story on the show a few times, but I asked my Catholic priest during a confession, mind you, is it okay for me to believe in aliens and to, you know, to pursue this topic? Because from other more, I guess, dogmatic of those in my Catholic church told me what I was doing was a sin and I shouldn't be looking at this. God, created man in his image. That's it. But I was relieved when my priest told me, yeah, man, like it just gives God more power and opens up his, you know, what he was able to create. So I think that's a lot of what we were kind of hearing in this cathedral event, which I thought was very fascinating that it took place in a cathedral. And yeah, jazz, I agree. I think,

yeah, we're moving into a new form of religion. And I think the churches, realize that. They've probably seen numbers dwindling throughout the decades. And maybe this is something that could bring people back to the church. Whatever they know or don't know, again, we have to wonder, what does the Vatican know about all this? They did an ET event almost a year ago and tackled some of these issues as well. So I know I'm kind of meandering with what I'm saying, but I think there's a lot to this. It's funny that this topic is bringing more people to religion and more people to politics. That's a big part. And that's a good thing because the more people that interact with, yeah, absolutely.

I mean, the reason why our government is a mess is because we don't interact with it. Good point. And people don't know about it and how it works. I can't tell you how many people, some very publicly and others privately out on social media. Luis and I were both dealing with just in the past two days trying to get, Louis is still continuing the big phone home 2.5, you know, and we tried to get information out, call your senators. The number of people who came back and had no idea how to do that or who the people were, but they were like, yeah, we want to do that. We'll go ahead and help, sure. And getting feedback,

like, I tried calling and I was hooked up with Dunkin' Donuts or something, you know, and it's like, because they don't even know who represents them. So yeah, I think this is attracting a lot more people and they're going to get more educated about how their government works. And whether you care about UFOs or not, I think that's a good thing. Right. Because we live in a country, all three of us, that has a very participatory government. And the more you know about it, the better armed you are to be able to go out and interact with the government, make your voice heard, find other people, you know, and have debates and see how the sausage is made, all that stuff.

And, yeah, I think this is, you can remove UFOs entirely. this is still a net positive experience in my opinion. I love that. Yeah. And someone asked in the chat, actually, if my priest had told me it was a sin, would I have left the church and not pursued UFOs? And I can't really honestly answer that because I don't know what I would have done. I was a lot more religious back then than I am now. I'm spiritual.

I can admit that. But in terms of being a practicing Catholic, I can say, I can say, I, I think I would still be doing exactly what I'm doing today, and I would find a way to embrace it in my life with my religion. So, yeah, that's to answer that question personally. But I guess kind of wrapping up this event, guys, what other highlights did you have? We had Bezos saying, I would know if aliens were out there.

Muske said the same thing. And that always cracks me up that they think just because they're into that sort of stuff that they would know the answers. Jazz, I know you got to. Is anybody going to be offended? because I got to, I got to, I got to ring that out. Not at all, brother. I got two things I got to do before the next show. No, no. Any last word you want to give us before you go. Um, that would be great. But please have a good afternoon. Thank you. Thank you very much for having me. I will confess, I've never said this before.

I've never been invited to be on somewhere in the skies. I was actually a little bit nervous when you asked, because Ryan has become such a superstar. And I'm on like eight radio shows a week around the country and a bunch of shows. And I was like, oh, I'm going to do somewhere in the skies. I was actually a little bit nervous. So thank you for having me. Really enjoyed it. And, you know, guys support everything you see here. They're going to tell you how to do it.

But if I could say anything else, tie it into the last thing we just talked about. If you're watching this, you're interested in this topic. Get active. Sure, support shows, support journalists that do this work. But get active yourself. Luis had a tweet earlier today. And it basically, I'm going to paraphrase, said, you can either sit on the sideline drinking your juice box or you can get out there and do something. And there are things you can do.

And every one of you individually can do something that will help end government secrecy and UAP secrecy and increase government transparency. So, you know, pick up the torch. Guys and gals, you can do this. So that's what I got to expect. Thank you, man. I'm honored that you came on. We will have you on many more. more times in the future. I guarantee you that, brother. I honor, I value and treasure everything

you have to say on this topic. So thank you. Thank you for taking the time to do this today. My pleasure. Have fun over on prime time, all right? Yep. And Luis, I'm sure I'll see you sometime next week. Yeah, probably. All right, brother. To the Dolphin King, we bid you a do. Have a great afternoon. Later, Jess. Yep. And then there were two, as always. The The man who's always willing to stick around with me, man. We won't go much longer. You've got an afternoon, and I got to go to work soon, to be completely honest. Luis, before we go, brother, to this event.

What was the highlight for you? I know Avi Loeb said a lot of really cool stuff, but what did you take from the cathedral event? Did you think it helped further the conversation? Absolutely. Yeah, what was the highlight for you? The highlight is that it's a cathedral event that happens all the time. where we're high level officials, whether they be government, whether they be social, you know, outspoken activists, things like that, come to a cathedral and have a very level-headed calm

conversation, almost like mass. Mass is calming to a point. And it was done in the most powerful town in the country, Washington, D.C. So it's adding a level of, uh, legitimacy to this discussion. And that's what I took away. I wouldn't say one. I mean, Avril Haynes was probably my favorite part. I was hoping, I think, if we had Bill Nelson actually sitting there at the live event, we would have gotten a couple more nuggets, but because it was pre-recorded, maybe he,

he was just a little less, what's the word I'm looking for, sort of open, I guess? or vulnerable or like more um what's the word uh uh gosh where you a little more guts you know I think in front of like you you understand the difference between doing a rehearsal versus doing the actual play oh when you do the actual play there's more adrenaline there's people in the stand you want to get the applause you know like absolutely and and so I think I think if Bill Nelson was actually there that would have been you know because he would have been able to interact with Aval. They would have maybe had a back and forth on sort of what NASA is seeing versus what the D&I is seeing. So that would have been really cool.

But again, it's like the New Yorker. It's like the Washington Post. It's like the New York Times. This is in that vein. It's bringing this conversation to a city that holds very powerful lawmakers and it's giving them permission. in an intellectual higher level sort of discussion where, where they're used to hanging around, you know,

like, you know, the, the DNI inspector probably doesn't listen to unidentified celebrity review or somewhere in the skies, but I can bet your ass she probably reads the New Yorker. She probably reads the New York Times and the Washington Post, and she probably pays attention to conversations that have to do

the intelligence apparatus when they happen at this cathedral. So I think that's my biggest takeaway is that it's normalizing the conversation. And that is a good thing. That's a good thing. So that's sort of my biggest takeaway from the event. I couldn't agree more. Again, when I first heard about it, I'm like, it's kind of weird, but okay, like, what else could be any weirder in 2021?

Yeah. So exactly. A lot of weirder shit has happened in 2021 than this. Yeah. Well, speaking of weird, my man, before I let you go here,

what do you have coming up on the unidentified celebrity review? Tell us a little more about what you'll be talking about with Avi Loeb on Friday tomorrow. I mean, so well, today we're going to be talking to Frank Milburn on the singularity lab, which will be cool.

And then, yeah, Avi's coming in on Friday. I mean, I really want to just, I first I book Peter Robbins and then this Avi Loeb announcement happened with the Galileo Project and Lou Elizondo and Christopher Mellon and I asked Michael

I'm like we got to get Avi and so Avi's only available date was Friday so I was like hey Peter how would you also like to help us interview excuse me Avi Lobe and he was of course down yeah and so you know I think you know, exploring the relationship between Galileo and now this amendment is going to be fun to talk about, but also bringing Peter's, I don't want to say woo, because Peter's very level-headed, but Peter's way of thinking with Avi's way of thinking and see what happens when those two. They're very different. They're different, but they're very intellectual, the both of them. and I think it's going to be a really,

really cool conversation. So, I mean, you know, that's, I wouldn't say specifically, you know, what exactly we're going to talk about because we don't know until it happens. But those are the things I'd like to sort of focus on and see where the conversation goes. And, you know, past that, I can't, I don't have my, so I do have my schedule in front of me, but I'm still booking up December. So, you know, it's, it's holidays.

so it's a little more difficult to get guests. I'm trying to get you on the show, but you keep dodging me, spring. I'm kidding. I get to do that on air. No, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. But, you know, yeah, man,

we're just, I think the next month is going to be all about this amendment. Yep. And what gets signed into law versus what's on in writing right now. And, you know, like jazz said, I mean, look, if jazz is confident, jazz. about these things. You know, if he's confident and excited about the verbiage and that it's not going to change and it's probably going to get signed into law as is, you know, I think, I think that's going to be very exciting. That says a lot.

2022 is going to be June, June 24th, 2022 is going, because that's when this Azro office is supposed to be 180 days after the bill signed into law. So it's going to be the same date that we got the report on and and we're going to have a brand new office not a task force not some $22 million crappily funded thing an actual budget with an actual office permanent office but once that office is established we have to give time to that office to then start working you know we got to give them no i want it now yeah i know they want it now but so which means and And this is sort of what I've been saying is that 2023 is going to be really fun, a really fun year, because the power of that office will have been felt in telecommunity. And whatever information is that disseminated to that office will get into a classified report and then eventually get trickled down into a public report.

And I'm sure, I'm sure we're going to get some really fun things to talk about, maybe some video. videos, maybe some pictures. I think 2023 is shaping up to be the year that this conversation officially goes in the fifth or sixth gear, whichever gear we're in by then. But, I mean, when the Azro office is created, I believe around that time also a book by one Lou Elizondo will also be coming out. So 2022 is going to be fun, but 2023 is going to be the fruits of the labor of everything that's been set into motion.

2023 is going to be the year we actually get this, I think see some results. And then that'll continue into 2024 and hopefully beyond. And then I'm hoping that this Azro office is established enough, is doing enough good work where not only the American people, but really the people in the Senate Armed Services Committee and the Committee on Intelligence that they continue. to make sure that this is in every year's NDAA and that every year the budget goes up or or hopefully not down or stays the same you know and that this office does in fact stay permanent so and influence the rest of the world we have to think about the impact our uAP report had on other countries this jillibrand amendment had already uh a big influence on a senator in Australia from Tasmania.

There you know. We've got all the boys that you AP Media, UK have written their templates for their House of Parliament. And people are sending it in. This morning I just got a picture from somebody in France who had a stack of letters this thick to his French representatives asking them about this topic. So it's working.

It's working. I mean, just the other day, Ryan Robbins, UFO Jesus, You, yeah, last night, put out a video on how to get in contact with your representatives with a phone number and in a template of what to say. So it's fun to see that people are sort of taking the formula. They see the value in it and then making it their own, which is exactly what we wanted to happen is, again, you know, you could either sit on the sideline and drink your little juice box or you can get in a fucking game and help us change some stuff. And it's not very difficult. It's literally two phone calls.

Two phone calls. And you could go to the big phone home website. If you don't know how to find your local state rep, you can find them there. I would start with your senators, the two senators in your state. And then if you want to go to your congressman, go for it. But let them know that you want this amendment to pass as written. Be part of the game. Get in the game.

This is look in the mirror time again. And it's not hard, man. Like this is so easy. And trust me when I tell you, you're going to feel really good when you hang up that phone. You're going to feel like, oh, my God, I accomplished something. I'm going to go celebrate. I'm going to have a beer. I'm going to smoke a joy.

I'm going to go hang out with my buddies. I'm going to watch a movie. I'm going to play some video games. Whatever it is that you do to celebrate, you're going to feel good as soon as you're done making that phone call. So, you know, I encourage everybody to pick up the phone and do that because it's coming. With or without your help, it's going to happen. but we'd rather have your help because the more we have the better it is you have been a big part of that and i

i will say this publicly i do think that what you have accomplished with ucr and the big phone home in general had a lot to do with what we're seeing now um you know how how much has yet to be seen but i mean i can tell you man you activated me to reach out to jillibrand one of my representatives and look at what happened i'm not saying you know by any structure of the imagination she read my email or anything like that. But I reached out to my local reps too and got some responses. And like you said, like the minute they responded and said, thank you for bringing this issue to my attention. I don't know how much help I can be, but this is interesting. Like, that got my adrenaline going. They actually took the time to respond and to take the topic

seriously. You know, they easily could have just put that email in the trash, but they responded because they thought, huh, I didn't even know this was happening. at higher levels. Wow. I'm going to pay attention. So you guys over there have done a lot, man. You've done a lot. I want to give, I want to give credit Christopher Mellon and Lou Elizando. I think especially Christopher, I mean, just look at the verbion of this amendment. This has got Christopher Mellon's name written all over. This is a Chris. This should be called the Mellon amendment. But he's not a congressman. So he's not going to. And I'm sure he doesn't even want the accolades for it. But, you know, I think.

those are the guys that are really been, and that that document that John Greenwald showed us today where this is going back to 2018, where they're going to Congress and they're giving private briefing to these senators and congressmen behind the scenes. And those are the things that really got the ball rolling into this amendment. But I could tell you, Senator Gillibrand, and I know I tweeted at her and we retweeted during the big phone home to at her at least. three to 400 times. Somebody saw that. Somebody saw that. I just got a voicemail yesterday for my congressman. Yeah.

And thank you. Yeah. I got a voicemail yesterday for my congressman that today there's going to be a town hall that they want me to come and ask my question that I wrote him about. Holy shit. So I'm going to be doing that today. So it's working. It's working.

You know, we, we, I see all the time people getting responses. and, you know, yeah, you could write it. Oh, it's just a boilerplate response. Maybe, but they had to do it. They actually had to physically give you that response, send it to you, and read what you wrote them. So it's working, but I'm not here to take any credit whatsoever. This belongs to me just as much as it belongs to all of you.

Because all of you, I can't. One phone call to Mike State and local reps is not going to move the ball on this. a couple hundred might a few thousand will a few million will absolutely get what we want and that's what we're trying to do we still got a long way to go this is just the first step you guys like this is not a touchdown it's not a home run this is like you know a double play you know like you just hit a double into center and and and you're rounding first and but you got to stop at second because there's still more work to be done and and and and there's still more work to be done and and and still people to lean on. There's still people that can activate themselves. There's still people that

can can really help move this discussion in the way we all want to see it moved. But if you're going to sit on the sideline and drink your juice box, it's not going to happen as quickly as maybe you want. So stop drinking the juice box and let's go. Let's get in it. Love it, man. Yeah, once you're on third base, guys, steal home plate. And that's what's going to happen. Exactly. I love it, my man. Well, hey, before we go, good luck at the town hall. And please let us know where we can find everything you're up to. I will. Yeah, absolutely.

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