Somewhere in the Skies - UFOs 2022: Part 1

Episode Date: July 25, 2022

On episode 275 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we are joined by Micah Hanks and Michael Huntington to discuss all the latest UFO/UAP news, and then we'll be discussing the amazing lineup of speakers and presentations that will be taking place at the inaugural Midwest Conference on the Unknown (which Micah, Ryan, and Michael will be speaking at) taking place in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, on August 5th-7th. Join us for this fascinating conversation and join us in Missouri in August. Discount tickets below! Use promo code: Spraguevip at checkout for discount tickets to the Midwest Conference on the Unknown: https://cape-events.com/midwestunknown/ Follow Micah Hanks on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/MicahHanks Follow Michael Huntington on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/MHuntington7 Ryan is now on Cameo! Book your video today at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan’s book in paperback, ebook, or audiobook: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Read Ryan’s Articles by CLICKING HERE Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at: https://bit.ly/3rJpbd7 Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2022 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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with Ryan Sprague. Guys, Ryan Sprague here from somewhere in the skies. And welcome to a live stream tonight of the show. This will go out on the podcast feed tomorrow morning, Monday. But I'm excited to do this live tonight because we have two of the speakers and one of the organizers of the Midwest Conference on the Unknown, coming to Cape Girardo, Missouri, August 5th through the 7th. We're going to talk all about what's going to be going on at the conference. Who's going to be speaking? This guy, those guys are going to see in just a sec, and a ton of other amazing speakers and special events going on there in Missouri.

But before we do that, we're going to talk some of the latest UFO news with these two people, whom I respect greatly, who I am honored to call not just colleagues, but good friends as well. So let's not waste any more time. Let's bring them in right now. We have Micah Hanks and Michael Huntington. Welcome, guys, to somewhere in the skies. How's it going? Hello. Cheers, gentlemen.

Before we start, I know it's hot there, Micah, where you are. I don't know how it's going to Missouri, Michael, but it's hot here too. So I've got a cold beady right here. The Go Fast Sightings beer. Right. Well, yeah, I guess I'm going to, I'm just going to have to follow suit, you know, and jump in here on that. I haven't got a good, oh, actually, no, there's totally a euphological tie in here because,

okay, so Corona, some would say, Oswell, others would say Corona, right? Some would say Aztec. In the incredible mythos of crash wreckage retrievals throughout parts of the southwestern United States. So again, yeah, so there's at least a name, a tie-in there. Absolutely, absolutely. Michael, what are you drinking, man? Are you the responsible one tonight?

Well, when I do drink, which is very rare, I will usually drink pretty much exclusively Guinness. I'm one of those weird persons. You know, I can have some wine or, you know, a shot or whatever every once in a while. But, you know, I'm a family man. So, you know, with a lot of kids. So sleep is a big priority. So, yeah, I have the monster triple shot energy drink, which is really bad for you. Yes, but in it's only right, almost a cryptozoological oddity.

So very fitting. and I pro pro for the occasion. Very, very good point, my man. We're all keeping it real today here. So we're in the skies. Guys, this is going to be super laid back. I'm so happy to have you guys here. I know I'm going to see you both in almost a week and a half now out in Missouri.

But I thought it would be a really cool opportunity to talk about what we're going to be doing in Missouri. Talk about the speakers at the Midwest Conference on the Unknown. But before we do that, there's been some. so much going on in the UFO world lately. A lot of stuff being covered over at the debrief. So let's hop in with some of the latest news. If you guys don't mind, I've got a little thing here. This is probably the biggest story to come out in the last couple weeks, Micah. This was written by you over at the debrief. The Pentagon reveals new name of its UAP investigative office. omsog A, whatever the heck that thing was, is no more.

So, yeah, Micah, do you want to start, man? What's this new office? What's going to make it different from the other iterations we've heard of in the last year or so? And give us your thoughts on this story, if you don't mind. Well, you know, really, this all goes back to last November. As most lawmakers in Washington were on their way home for the Thanksgiving holiday, we saw a surprise announcement. This was quite a development, and that was the DOD announcing the establishment of the airborne object identification, management, and synchronization group.

Otherwise, known affectionately as AIMSog, even though that's not really a very accurate description of how the words would sound if you tried to read them out. But anyway, this is how, you know, the respected Mr. Moultrie depicted in the image there, Ronald Moultrie had described it during the recent congressional hearings. This was a surprise because, of course, we had just seen at that time an amendment that had been introduced as a proposed amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2022 by U.S. Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York. And this called for the establishment of a UAP office that would definitely go beyond the scope of what seemed to be entailed as far as the AIMSog. And so this led to a bit of a clash. People were asking if this passes as legislation. Is this going to mean that this? there's going to be more than one UAP office. What exactly is going to happen with that?

And so sure enough, as the year went on, it comes to pass that the Gillibrand Amendment continued to receive additional support. I reached out to Gillibrand's office and received a statement from her spokesperson, Elizabeth Landau, who'd said that, you know, the AIMSog, although we appreciate what the DOD is trying to do, in no way covers all the parameters of what we're looking at

for the proposed anomaly. I think at the time they were trying to call it the ASRO, the anomaly surveillance and resolution office, I think was the proposed name at that time. So many. I know. Trying to keep up with all of them, it's just near Herculean task, and I'm no Hercules. But the point is that they had wanted to look at having field dispatch teams who could investigate UAP in the field. They had been looking at having a science team that would evaluate this.

There was supposed to be an oversight panel. members of Harvard astronomer Avi Loeb's Galileo Project were supposed to constitute this panel as well as members of an organization I'm actually a part of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies. So it was definitely hopeful

that the Gillibrand Amendment and its version of the UAP office would take effect. And that amendment did end up being included in the final Senate package and passed into law early this year signed into law by President Joe Biden. So that still left us wondering,

well, but is there going to be the AIMSog, which is just looking at aerial incursions over military, controlled airspace, or is there going to be this Gillibrand Amendment? So I reached out to the Pentagon. Susan Goff got back with me and told me that, no, they didn't include the name for the office in the legislation, purposefully so that the AIMSog, as it has been described, can be the office, but it's going to fall within the purview of what Congress has directed. And then we heard during the congressional hearings earlier this year that Mr. Moultrie had said,

that name's going to change, and this is that new name. the all-domain anomaly resolution office, which is supposed to do exactly what Congress has directed. It's going to cover all the things that were in the final version of the bill that went into law, and this is going to be the DOD-UAP investigative component. So that's kind of where we are right now, that little arrow on the map that points at where we are. And where it goes from here is anybody's guess. Right. And this is a really interesting part, I thought, from the statements, I believe, by Moultrie.

This includes anomalous unidentified space, airborne submerged, and transmedium objects. That's the part that really caught a lot of people's attention. So, Michael, would you mind touching on that a little bit, man? Do you think this is, as someone who strives for scientific exploration of this topic and, you know, credibility? What do you think of this thing? Is this just another blue book in its millionth version now in 2021? excuse me, 22, wow, I'm a year behind guys. What do you make of all this, man?

Well, it is certainly fascinating. What it is going to be, or what it is now, is sort of open to interpretation. Are we going to get some sort of bureaucratic blue book that some perceived as, perceived as, you know, being delegitimate, somehow was a whitewash of the subject? Is this going to be, you know, a furtherance of that? Or is it going to be used for, you know, some sort of a broader disclosure effort? We shall see. It certainly is a defense organization, though.

And it at least, you know, separate from, say, the UFO or the UAP subject proper, it is at least going to try to resolve some of the incursions that are being reported or have been reported. At a minimum is at least some sort of a drone problem or some sort of an incursion problem just on its base. Whatever the ultimate answer is, there are incursions and it's of concern to military and intelligence. So it's going to be taken at least these further cases, I think, are going to be looked at through, you know, trying to make real determinations as to likely explanations. I don't think you're going to see this governmental body, you know, making any sort of disclosure like conclusion that declares something is extraterrestrial. I think what you will see is, as you have seen in the past, You know, we might get some interesting cases that are going to be open to different interpretations,

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or maybe there's, you know, there's more connections there with the social media aspect that is intriguing, you know, certainly. Are they going to give us reports? Are they going to get UFO researchers involved? Yeah, because you know UFO Twitter, we're not going to keep our mouth shut. If they put a case on there, we're going to be into it.

We're in your investigation. sorry, you know, we're going to put our opinions out there. So it'll be interesting to see what happens. I just hope we get some interesting cases to look at and things that make us rise to that next level of, you know, what do we need scientifically here? How do we continue to progress this? Because the goal is going to be, we're going to want some evidence.

That's what we want, ultimately. We want the stories. We want the accounts, accounts because we want to delve in. into those, but, you know, we want some serious evidence, instrumented evidence, you know, scientific study field research evidence that we can sync our tees into or, you know, FOIA files that we can sink our teeds into. I think we're going to get a little bit of all that. Yeah. If I may just add really quickly to what Michael's talking about, I mean, again, and this is one reason I just got to say, you know, if I can geek for a moment, why it's going to be so great up there

in Cape Girido when we're all sharing space, you know, and talking about. about this because it's evident. I mean, we've got so much going on right now, so many ideas everybody wants to share. And frankly, coming out of the last two years with everybody having to kind of keep those conversations in the digital sphere, it's going to be so wonderful to do that in human-like space with one another in the real world. That's been so lacking from this dialogue. But as Michael pointed out, we have a Twitter handle, right, for the AARO. And what are we call it? Can we just call it the Aero, the Aero? Arrow, I think, works. I think we'll go with Arrow. I like that.

I think we'll go with Arrow, at least for the purposes of our conversation here. But having a social media presence already, that didn't happen with AIMSog. It didn't even happen to my knowledge with the UAP Task Force. So, I mean, if anything, this does seem to show that the DOD is hoping to have a public forward-facing element, whether or not that really actually entails the release of a lot of data, because I would have to think that in the interest of national security, there are going to be distinctive limitations in terms of how much can be revealed. But on the other side, there is also a definitiveness, I guess, about this, right?

There's something of a statement being made. The fact that the predecessors didn't have their own Twitter handles, not just a hashtag, but again, a actual handle. And I followed as soon as I saw Moultrie tweeting about this. That seems to indicate that, well, there's a lasting component here. We plan to have this office at least for some time. And I think actually some of the parameters in terms of length and then also what the office is intended to do are outlined in the legislation from earlier this year. But that definitely seems to say that the DOD is expecting for this to be a presence for at least the next few years in enough so that they're already kind of staking their claim in social media.

The other side of that, though, may also entail questions about, well, how forward facing will this be really is the whole idea of engaging, you know, with the UFO Twitter crowd. openly in Twitter, even though I doubt sincerely we're going to be seeing tweets at people or interactions, you know, from the Arrow account. Let's take a, you know, a hint from maybe past instances where government offices and things have had a Twitter presence like the CIA. Often they're actually making fun of topics like UFOs and kind of, you know, making humorous references to the subject in their tweets in a way that you would expect people to engage with one another online. So can we expect the same from the Arrow, the All-Domain Anomily Resolution Office? maybe so, that remains to be seen. But I think in itself that there is already that social media handle, that could be pretty significant.

But one final point that Michael makes that's really, really important here, again, you mentioned Michael there being a drone problem and we can acknowledge at least that much. Let's not lead with a presumption that the UAP investigative elements within government right now are looking for dim aliens, you know, because if anything, what they have been tasked with doing is just analyzing any kind of defense risks, any kind of challenges to national security, whether, and again, this is also something you pointed out, Ryan, that be in our airspace, or if that actually is occurring at sea below or actually transitioning between the mediums of sea and air, has been proposed with these so-called transmittingium aircraft

technologies, objects, whatever they may be. So we have to take into consideration that really our expectations, especially in the UFO community, having looked at the possibility of an exotic intelligence and a technology being what UAP represents and being the concept of this being something that is not human. It may not be exactly how the government looks at it. In fact, the majority of what they'll be looking at probably has much more to do with down-to-earth threats and other challenges that emanate from here rather than from up there. Right, exactly.

And we should say here, this is the Twitter account for this new office. And let's just note on the right there. We see Lazar is trending. That could not be more perfect than for our live stream tonight, guys. Lazar is trending again. So make of that what you will. So is he man. I'm interested to learn more about that.

That's got to be a Comic-Con thing. But yeah, yeah, loving these trending things over here. Awesome, guys. Well, I'm glad I could get your thoughts on that because it was exciting news. Again, this is an evolution in the officialdom of this topic within the U.S. government, at least. We also just had congressional hearings here in the United States. Also, in Brazil, something I'm going to be covering on the show in the very near future. But I want to move on, guys, to another big story that recently came to our attention.

And that is this. We got some of the most historic images. to ever grace our human eyeballs. And that came from the James Webb Telescope. I mean, look at these things. It's absolutely incredible. So I want to know first and foremost, did either of you get to watch the press briefing that occurred

the day before they released these images? It was pretty interesting, right? A little awkward, just like I would expect from NASA and Biden. But yeah, what did you guys think when these images first dropped? Michael, let's start with you, man, if you don't mind. Well, I knew it was going to be an historic moment. You know, I think they lit the Empire State building up in gold, right? Yep.

In honor of it. And everybody was, you know, counting down the minutes to, you know, these pictures that we knew sort of what they were and what areas were being looked at. And then, you know, I had, you know, my screen set up and I was projecting it and I was watching it with my boys, you know, because I was like, hey, you're going to remember the time that we watch this, you know. And, of course, then we waited for like 45 minutes. They just left us waiting. And this music was playing over and over and over. And, you know, I'm getting on Twitter and everybody's just making fun of it. The memes are just rolling right at it.

And then it started and then it, you know, the pictures were kind of way back there. And then people were, I guess politicians were saying stuff, you know. And then it just sort of ended, you know. And I was kind of disappointed, you know. And yeah, that's. Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of a, I was expecting the Kirby enthusiasm music to come in at the end there. That would have been all too perfect.

But, hey, I think the most important part of this, and Michael, you're right. Like, this hopefully will be something your children will remember the day they saw the first images from James Webb. I mean, I remember, Micah, I was with you digitally when the rover first landed on Mars. And my God, man, like, I think all of us had tears in our eyes. It was such a incredible moment for space exploration. And so is this. I mean, we're unfolding the universe as, you know, we're unfolding the universe as, NASA has been saying with these images. So yeah, man, what did this mean to you personally? And what did you

make of these extraordinary images? Well, you know, I had friends outside of, I guess, you know, our area of interest, space astronomy, UAP, things like that, you know, asking me, is this anything earth-shattering, you know, is this life-changing? Can I not watch this? I'm like, yeah, you know, go out there, till the garden, if you like, go take your wife to lunch, no problem. I mean, it's not going to change your life. Maybe if you aren't as interested in space exploration as someone like I am, but for me, this was one of the most significant milestones, I think that we've seen in terms of not just modern space exploration,

but also, of course, in terms of what some have called the modern space race or what commentators like Rod Pyle have called Space 2.0, what I really think is the key takeaway, about the James Webb Space Telescope is that, you know, we have the most advanced science observatory that humans have ever put into space. And it's right now out there at LaGrange Point to collecting data. And sure, these images look great, but for a lot of people, they look a lot like the kinds of images that we're used to seeing. But I'll just point out, and although these are, and it should be, you know, emphasized here, the images we're getting from Web are combinations

of images from several of the different instruments on board the telescope, several different imaging systems and cameras. NASA forms composite imagery in that way. And that's what we're seeing here, which is what allows the rich depth of color, the incredible detail that you see. But what we also were able to see are things that previously, and this is where things get a little nuanced

and where I personally get really excited, it's not just pretty colors, it's not just vivid detail and sharper resolution than what we seem. before. We're literally seeing things that were not visible before. For instance, I think the nebula, if you look in the center of the image that you have right there, you've got a pair of nebula, one on the left that has a bluish color, one on the right that has a reddish color. In previous attempts at imaging that nebula, we've known that there was a binary star at the heart of it.

We weren't able to see that, but now we actually have very clear imagery representative of that because of the infrared wavelengths that are captured by the James Webb Space Telescope, which unlike its predecessor the Hubble, is able to actually discern data that the, for instance, the human eye would not be able to see, which would not be able to perceive. And that's important because it's much of the data that we're actually able to collect about distant galaxies and which we're doing with James Webb comes in that spectra, or rather in those wavelengths.

Now, of course, in terms of spectra, spectrographic information that's relayed to us by a web, In other words, breaking apart the bandwidths of light and looking for key signatures in terms of minerals, elements, what have you. We're also getting a lot of data like that. During the press conference the other day, it was stated that we also saw the transit of an exoplanet. And we were able to detect in the atmosphere of that from the spectrography, the oxygen and the hydrogen in its atmosphere. Well, if you've got hydrogen and you've got oxygen, that means you've got a very good chance for there being water too. And this is helping us very quickly. I mean, just in the first few days, really, since it came fully operational and online.

It's showing how Webb is going to be a formidable, really a force to be reckoned with in terms of collecting data about our universe. But the final point I'll make also is that because of the wavelengths of the infrared light that it gathers, it's able to appear to the very edges of the known universe, and it's able to show us light that has taken 13.5 billion years to travel to where we are right now. And we can see what those galaxies look like, essentially as they appeared in that form. formation stage that long ago. And so this is why you hear scientists saying, we're not just looking further out into the universe. We're looking back in time.

We're seeing how our universe looked at a different, much earlier formative stage. And that's going to give us clues about not only the formation of galaxies, but also really about our universe, how it has grown, expanded, and changed over time. So again, I can't emphasize enough that these aren't just pretty pictures. The data that's contained in these images is going to reshape in the years ahead how I think we're going to actually look at the universe. I love that, man. Yeah, it's not just about the pictures, guys. We read the articles, too, if there's anything I've learned from Playboy.

Anyways, moving on, Lord Lurdicker says, great discussion. Thanks, man. Thanks, everyone for being here. I didn't get to give you guys all a shout at the beginning, but thank you, everyone. We've got the regulars here. Robert is here. We've got awaiting aliens. Yeah, just all you guys, thanks for the support.

Thanks for watching. One more news story I want to talk about before we get to the conference, the core of this conversation, is this. We have right now this weekend going on the Kexburg UFO Festival. And no, the event did not happen in July. It actually happened in December. But look, just like many around the country, including in Missouri, live conferences have been suffering greatly for the past few years with this obvious dilemma we've been in for years now at this point. And yeah, we're just now starting to get live conferences up and going again, which is amazing.

Micah, I know you've hit up a bunch already this year. But this is a big one, Kexper. So I've actually never guys covered this incident on my show. So I would love if either of you, whoever wants to take it first, your thoughts on the Kexperkakes of, it was 1965, correct? I'm failing at euphology right now. Yep, December 9, 1965. What do you guys make of this case? Where does this case lay in UFO history for you guys personally?

Michael, why don't we start with you? Well, those of us who have followed the lore for a number of. of years know that there are several UFO crash cases, accounts, folklore, whatnot, that have captured

our imaginations as well as the popular culture. And of course, right up there at the top is Roswell as one of the big ones. Shag Harbors, maybe up there in the top view. Aztec is possibly even up there. But certainly also occupying, you know, one of these top spots would be the Kexburg, Pennsylvania,

acorn crash that took place, yeah, December 9th, 1965, near a small town in Pennsylvania called Kexburg. Folks there saw a fireball come out of the sky. And it was a fireball that was seen by people. in other states. So, you know, there was some sort of legitimate phenomena or something came down during that time period. Even skeptics will tell you that, you know, a satellite or a meteor or something came down that night and quite possibly landed in a little, you know, ravine area near Kexburg. And from there, you know, like a lot of these stories, you know, the town was sort of overrun by the military. People were sworn to secrecy. You know,

the government came in, whist things out and, you know, made threats and, you know, all sort of strange shenanigans and reports from accounts from different people of the years that, you know, saw different things. You know, were close to the object. that came down. And it wasn't a meteorite. It was some kind of a, you know, a metal device or capsule with exotic writing on it. And, you know, that goes to the question of, was it manmade? Was it foreign?

Was it government, alien, or, you know, some other sort of strange hoax type thing or a military thing gone wrong. And, you know, these stories circulated, and people like Stan Gordon investigated him, a great researcher from that area. Been on it ever since. You know, I've been lucky to talk to him. And it's a fascinating story that has captured the imagination

over subsequent generations now, you know, through TV shows and, you know, like Unsolved, mysteries and sightings, you know, all these different generational retellings of the story and make us wonder what happened. And we can speculate and, you know, a lot of people lean towards, you know, a possible satellite, I think, in most interpretations now. But ultimately, it's a UFO crash story. And it's and the town celebrates it, as a lot of towns do celebrate break their folklore, and they have a festival there, which benefits the community, which is a good thing. Absolutely. And, you know, one of the most, I think, interesting aspects to this entire case is also Leslie Kane, the investigative journalist, was involved with a lawsuit to try to get the files on this thing from, I believe it was NASA.

Maybe, Micah, you can expound on this because I don't know a lot about this. this case. Again, this is not one that I have really dug into. But where does this case lay in terms of UFO history, controversy? What do you think this was, this entire Kexpert incident? And why is it worth celebrating with this festival, in your opinion? Well, you know, again, and Michael really already gave us a great overview of the main points. I think that the three primary theories about what this object, if there was an object was, and I think that there's pretty good evidence that there was one. We'll get to that in a moment.

But the three primary theories are either a fireball, i.e. a meteor, either the reentry of a Soviet satellite or, of course, something more exotic, that, again, would fall within the kind of UFO crash retrieval mythos, which to use the word myth, my father's always said this, is not to assert that, well, it didn't happen or it doesn't exist, But myths are often the byproduct of a real event that people experience, they observe, they tell it, they retell it, next generation comes along and retells it. And a story, you know, a mythos is woven around real events that may not necessarily be entirely what had actually happened. What we do know is, of course, that back in December, 1965, it was reported that something crashed as it passed over, Ontario, comes down over the Midwest, crashes near Kexburg. but it's reported subsequently in newspapers that authorities weren't able to actually recover anything,

which is curious because in advance of the 40th anniversary of the event, NASA actually came forward and said, we did recover some bits of metallic debris, and those do appear to be consistent with the reentry of a Soviet satellite. That's probably what happened. But we don't have any documentation because we lost it. That's where Leslie Kane came into this case. Leslie, as part of, I think, of a sci-fi television program a few years back,

had become involved in trying to appeal through the FOIA process to get NASA to reveal those documents. And again, they maintained, we just don't have the documents. There isn't a cover-up. We aren't trying to hide anything. We don't have those documents. Now, I mean, a lot of people would say, that's very convenient that a significant case like this, they happen to have lost all their information, something to the tune of like two boxes of documents that they supposedly had about this case.

But keep in mind, I mean, I couldn't imagine anything probably more significant in the 20th century than the Apollo moon landing. And the original tapes from that moon landing also were misplaced or lost, or if anything actually was standard practice back in those days, they reused the tapes. Now, you wouldn't imagine that makes much sense. Something as historic is putting human beings on the moon

and you tape over the originals, but that's actually apparently what NASA did. And they point to that as evidence in support of their loss of these documents as treacherous and sad as it sounds, they're like, hey, we're human and that does happen. It's happened in the past, and that's no doubt what happened here. But I do think it's interesting that initial reports said there was nothing found, and then later NASA, despite not having any longer the documentation that they said supported this,

claiming that they'd actually had metallic debris that was consistent with the reentry of a Soviet satellite. I would say that that's probably the most likely explanation. But one final point I'll also make about this is that, you know, again, when we talk about this idea of a crash retrieval mythos or what I would call the flying saucer crash retrieval syndrome, there's a long history of this in the United States. If we go back to around 1886 in Nebraska, there was a newspaper item about a mystery, a metallic meteor of mysterious origins, which crashed into a field and it scattered debris and a group of cowboys observed this. And when they go back up there a few days later to actually try and recover some of this wreckage from this mystery meteor as it was termed in the newspaper article, a heavy, rain came through and as the water from the rain struck the object, it melted it like salt. That was an interesting story. It was also later revealed in the 1920s to have been a hoax.

We also had in 1897, the famous incident down there at Aurora, Texas. I've been down there to that Masonic cemetery there in the little town of Aurora. And there is a historical sign right there, a state historical sign that says, you know, this is the location where an alleged airship crash in 1897 occurred and the occupant, the pilot was supposedly buried in this little Aurora Cemetery. In likelihood, that probably also was a newspaper hoax, but we should keep in mind that between 1896 and 1897, that whole thing about airships began with sightings over California of lights in the sky. And there were a number of officials who were, you know, cited in these newspaper articles as having been witnesses to these events. Now, again, it's difficult, and we get into shaky territory

if we start saying, well, one newspaper article was probably a hoax, but all these other ones were probably true. Really, it's going to be difficult for us in hindsight to know. But if I had to speculate, I would actually say that there probably were aerial phenomena of some kind that were being observed and that there were witnesses to this and that this gave rise to a lot of interest in the idea of prospective airship technologies that the military or maybe a private inventor was building. The long story short is that this kind of gave rise to these discussions of airships and then, of course, this crash-stableness. story, which we'd already seen sometime before in Nebraska. Another iteration occurs there in 1897 at Aurora, Texas. And then we continue to hear stories about crash wreckages and retrievals and things throughout, of course, 1947 with Roswell.

That had been reported in the Roswell Daily Record. Frank Scully in his book Behind the Flying Saucers is talking about an alleged crash at Aztec, New Mexico. Leonard Streenfield is collecting all kinds of stories about crashes that occurred in the southwest throughout the 1970s, and that in advance of the late Great Stanton and Freedman talking with Jesse Marcell, and then eventually the publication of a book, partly as a result of some of the field investigations by Stan, who had been the first in-the-field civilian investigator, along with William Moore, Moore, having gone and co-authored

with Charles Burlitz, that book The Roswell Incident. But that book, even, was fairly dismissive, although it mentioned alien bodies, it was dismissive of a lot of those claims. But again, as that mythos continued to build, and we had other writers, Kevin Randall, Don Schmidt and others get involved. We start hearing the stories about alien bodies. We have the story of the mortician meeting with the woman who had worked at Arswell Army Airfield and who had claimed that she had seen bodies.

It's a complex web of stories that, again, no doubt has some truth in the historical side of it, but that truth has probably been built onto so much over the years. That's very evident with Roswell. I think that's probably very likely with Kexburg, too. But, Ryan, final point as to where it really sits in the history of UFOs in America, as you asked, it is that. I think it is, and this is kind of speaking to what Michael was talking about, this kind of, you know, it's a component within this longstanding American tradition of the recovery of crashed exotic material of unknown origin. And again, that's a very American tradition. There's probably some truth to it somewhere.

And we even saw recent legislation passed by the House Intelligence Committee for the proposed NDAA for next year saying, hey, you know, going all the way, back to the beginning of fiscal year in 1947, we won't data on anything that's been collected. We know what they're referencing, whether we actually find out if we're headed or not, remains to be seen, but it's a very American tradition of finding things that have crashed and then hearing about cover-ups. Yep, we've got many traditions here in America. I am happy to make UFO crash retrievals one of them. That will make me a proud American for sure.

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the reason the three of us are going to be in Missouri. And that is a very famous crash for many Missourians that Michael's going to be talking about at the Midwest Conference on the Unknown. So Michael, first, before we even, even get to the event. How did it come to be? This is going to be the inaugural festival that I know you're one of the co-organizers on. Give us the Skivvy, man. How did this come to be and tell us a little about what the event is going to entail if you don't mind? Well, I was approached by a friend of mine that I've known for 30 years. Ken Murphy, he's a local conference organizers in that he's

in the events business. And he had been interested in bringing the sort of stuff that I'm interested in, you know, paranormal UFOs, ghost, Bigfoot, anything anomalous and, you know, anything that, you know, sort of pushes us in different directions of thinking when it comes to, you know, what constitutes, you know, science, methodology, you know, paradigm shifts, all that sort of stuff. we knew that we wanted it you know it we looked and saw that you know the Midwest is a good place there's not a lot of conferences in this area people are sort of interested in this subject from recent years you know you know within the society within the culture these

topics have taken on and taken off in all different kinds of media and you know so I I began reaching out and contacted some of the best speakers, I think, in different areas that, you know, can provide a really good conversation, a really good, you know, traditional type conference that they used to have, you know, where it was, you know, people interacting. You know, it's not just everybody's up on the stage and then everybody's over here. I think we're going to have just as many, you know, talented researchers and people within these different fields of inquiry within the audience just as well as there will be on stage. But, you know, we reached out to, you know, you guys and, you know, some people within, you know, the crypto-zoological communities and, you know, people that are really bringing their egg game and trying to deal with these, these questions. in a critically thinking manner, you know, so that we can try to work towards strategies to try to, you know, get some real answers, you know, for consideration. And I think we've got a good little group here.

And we're looking to do more conferences in the future and to grow these conferences and, you know, to add workshops and, you know, maybe even a, you know, a visiting lecture stage, you know, for people that want to percent papers, you know, things like that, I think, you know, to kind of get us back towards, you know, some good reform-minded events that, you know, where we discuss, you know, trying to improve these research fields and deal with these questions. And I think that's what we're looking to do. And, you know, I'm grateful that you guys are participating. I think you're some of the brightest people in this field. you know, you're open to the mystery, but you're also, you know, you have those questions in your hands. And, you know, you don't want to be fooled either.

You don't want to be part of a belief system. We want to all try to, you know, figure out great ways, you know, strategic ways to try to get the information, you know, ultimately, I think scientific information, you know, is what we're going to have to try to promote. and I'm looking forward to some great conversations, and I think it's really going to be fun. And there's a social component to these subcultures, too. And we've sort of been pulled out of that these past few years and due to the Internet, it's kind of just so easy to war. It'd be great if we can get back to community

by actually communing and sharing ideas and learning how to elevate the discourse and have collegial conversations and still have differences of opinion. That's how we're going to achieve some of these answers. And, you know, I think this is a good opportunity. Right. Well, and you bring up a couple of good points there, Michael. And this is going to be my first conference in-person conference since the pandemic.

So I'm like, I've forgotten how to interact with human beings in person. So this is going to be a very interesting social experiment for me. But I think the other big exciting thing, and the reason I signed on, I don't want to speak for Micah, but I think it's because of the variety of speakers. You know, Micah and I are so used to going to UFO conferences where it's just, you know, UFO researchers bouncing the echo chamber back and forth, back and forth. But a conference like this, I can go as a speaker, but I'm also in its, learning something about other topics. And that's what I love about events like this, where you have

a cryptozoologist, you have a paranormal investigator, you have a euphologist, because that's what it's all about. Like, we're all one big, weird-ass family. Let's be completely honest. And while we want to kind of narrow in on answers to the UFO phenomenon, to the paranormal phenomena, I think this is a wonderful opportunity for everyone to get together and see, hey, maybe some of these topics are connected to one another, or maybe they are not. That's really up to the person, the researcher, and those attending what they think. But I'd love to get Micah, your thoughts on when Michael came to you with this event. Yeah, what drew you to this? I know for me, I was like, dude, you don't have to ask me twice.

I'm there. This sounds amazing. So what was it like for you? Well, there is that collegial side of it, you know, that I mean, I like all the people, Michael and yourself and, you know, some of the excellent speakers that are on the tap for this. Of course, you know, Josh Cutchin, a very, very interesting guy in terms of being someone who has, you know, kind of continued, in my view, the work of some of the luminaries like Jacques Valet and others and trying to look at, look a little more deeply. in an almost sort of folkloristic and anthropological sense at, well, could UAP actually be representative of a broader, deeper, and longer-lasting phenomenon and one that we as humans have experienced

throughout time? His work really, again, in that Magonian sense of things, citing Valets passport to Magonia, really carries on in that tradition. But again, all the speakers, you know, I'm naturally partial to guys like Josh or to Ken Gerhard, you know, who has been out there just, you know, really working tirelessly in the field of cryptozoology, but more importantly in a topic that I'm really, really passionate about, it of course has to do with the search for relict, hominoids, more popularly known as Sasquatcher Bigfoot. But I mean, he's one of these researchers

who, if you watch Ken's lectures, he's talking about how can we apply science to the study of this. Many people would say, well, here's how you apply science to which you go and you get a degree in folklore. But again, there's a tremendous body of data that is strongly suggested. I was doing an interview earlier today about this very topic, a body of data and a longstanding American tradition that involves sightings of what appears to be a primate, a human-like primate, but one that is not unlike other higher primates extant today, and certainly not unlike things that are recognized in the paleo-anthropological record, but which there seemed to be very good, you know, and I think in many instances valid eyewitness observations of, even in recent years.

and it's always been a bit paradoxical to me that although we don't really know exactly what UAP might be, I mean, we have ideas, but we still haven't come close to resolving that question. Even in the ODNI report last June, we had that other category, which a lot of folks kind of look at as a throwaway category. I look at that as the most important category because it's describing objects that exhibit what appear to be signature management. That is, they appear to possess the ability to reduce their visibility through electrical. electromagnetic means through the ability of decreasing electronically their detection capabilities.

Radar jamming is something that's being observed. Hyper-acceleration of objects, which again, but speaks of technology. All these things observed, and hence we have to say, we're not sure what this is. Let's give it a really ambiguous and unimpressive category title, other. If they called them

possible ET or something like that, yeah, would have gotten a lot of attention, raised a lot of eyebrows. But the point I'm making here is that again, that little, that seemingly innocuous other category really points to a big mystery. And there are a lot of implications, a lot of potentials. And yes, one that has been on the table for years is we might be looking at extraterrestrials. We don't know. That could be.

And yet people these days in the modern UAP debate are pretty quick to warm up to that idea, despite the fact that we haven't got a lot of scientific data collected by astronomers and physicists that is indicative of the existence of intelligent species out there who are watching. earth. And it's not to say that they aren't out there. It's not to say by any means that UAP, some, UAP might not represent that. But again, the fact that we don't have any data, and yet people were so quick to warm up to that idea, and yet when we sit down for a Guinness, you know, in Cape Girardo, and ask, what do you do for a living, Mr. Hanks? And I say, well, I study mysteries. If I start telling them about UAP, they're like, fascinating, do you think we're

being visited? Tell me more. You tell them, hey, but you know what, I'm interested in the idea that there is a bipedal, upright, mysterious, primate that may inhabit remote regions of North America. They laugh. And I'm like, again, guys, if you look at the fossil record, we have good examples of things like that that have existed here on Earth. And there's nothing about that physically or biologically that couldn't potentially exist. And yet people are so quick to dismiss it. So again, I think it's very important to kind of check ourselves in terms of, you know, how we and how our biases tend to correct our interpretation. of phenomena. When you come to a conference like this, I hope that people are going to say,

okay, I came for the UFOs, I stayed to hear about Sasquatch, I stayed to hear about other interesting topics, things that I might not have been as prone toward interest in or belief in, but now I'm getting a different perspective and going, okay, there was a lot more to that than I probably expected. I'm sure, in fact, that when people come to this event, they're going to come away with those same kinds of perspectives. Absolutely. And, you know, the mantra comes to mind check yourself before you wreck yourself. And I think that's all that we really need to look at. I think these conferences really put me back in my shoes

and make me re-examine everything I'd be grown comfortable with when it comes to the UFO topic. When I go to a conference like this and I hear something that you bring forward or Michael or any of the speakers, it makes me look at what I've been doing in a whole new light and see, oh, how can I now, you know, infuse that into my uphology? You know, a lot of people know me as the experiencer guy. I interview experiencers.

I write about them, the aftermath of their events. And that's great. And that's like something I continue to do and pursue. But then there's so many different facets to the UFO mystery and the UFO topic that I often push to the side to focus on just the human aspect of it. So that's, again, that's why I love these sorts of things. It gets me out of my comfort soon, and it makes me reexamine this topic that I've dedicated half my life to in a whole new light.

So I would have to agree with you. It challenges us, not just as audience members, but as researchers and speakers as well. You know, I might go in wanting to say one thing, but that could change in an instant with something I hear at an event like this. It completely both ruined my presentation, but also. so make it better. So yeah, I would have to agree with you on so many levels. So I guess let's talk about what you guys are going to be speaking on. Michael, you're not just helping to organize this. You will be a speaker at the event.

So tell us a little about your local connection to this and what you're going to be talking about at the Midwest Conference of the MNode. Well, I, you know, I'm the resident weirdo. And as a UFO researcher, and, you know, cryptid explorer and ghost hunter, you know, I travel around documenting strange locations. And I do it from my town of Cape Girardo, which has its own fantastic UFO history. Yeah, they approached me, and I definitely, you know, said that I wanted to do some stuff on local history, because I think this town has, and southeast Missouri has some interesting stuff that occurred here. You know, Dr. Harley-Rottage ran project identification out of southeast Missouri state. We had the web UFO injury case and, of course, you know, the Cape Girado UFO crash story.

So we got some interesting connections and lore here. and I hope to be able to educate some people that are interested in that. So that's what I'm going to be talking about. Awesome. Micah, what are you going to be talking about, man? I know you and I, whenever we go to these events, we're always the UFO guys. So people kind of know what to expect from us. But this is a talk that I don't believe you've given that often in terms of what it will entail.

So, yeah, tell us a little about what you'll be speaking on and give us the tease, man. Well, I'm actually notorious for almost never giving the same lecture over and over again. A lot of speakers kind of have two or three lectures and they go and give them. I try to tailor whatever talk I'm going to give. Yeah, I try to tailor my talks for the event that I'm going to be at. And, you know, with this one, when Michael first came to me and said, you know, what have you got in mind? I've been going back and spending a lot of time reading some of the work of John Key, from back in the 1960s.

And you've got to keep in mind, in 1966, there was a UFO wave going on in the United States. We had the famous Michigan swamp gas incident that, you know, Hynek stepped in his, well, his soup, I guess, on that one. And even got some pushback from then-Congressman Gerald Ford. Michiganians aren't seeing swamp gas, Dr. Heineck, you know. And that was infamous as far as UFO history. But I think that for John Keel, he's looking at this and going,

I'm going to start studying this to a systematic analysis, and in two years we'll have it all figured out. Well, two years later, he came to the novel conclusion that everything NYCAP and all the UFO extraterrestrial cultists believe that ain't what we're dealing with. And although I wasn't necessarily apt to conclude the same as Kiel did, I've really always appreciated his approach. Let's think outside the box and start all over again and look at this and say, what do we really know about this phenomenon? And indeed, in the early days of this phenomen, going all the way back to the first Air Force study, Project Sign, there was a now famous but missing document. It was purportedly destroyed the estimate of the situation.

It made some very interesting assertions about what some of these technologies might be, and that was talked about, of course, in the book that was written by the first head of Project Blue Book, Edward Rupel. So in terms of that tradition of what are we doing, what are we looking at, what do we know, epistemologically, you know, what does this topic represent to us? The title of my presentation is unidentified aerial phenomena, past, present, and future potentials. And we're going to be looking at, again, the now seemingly discarded history of this subject that the current members of investigative groups in government that are looking at this, according to my sources, apparently have very little to any interest in,

we're going to look at that very necessary history. And it's not going to start in 1947 or 1944. or even 1943, we're going to go back much further and look at a brief perspective on the history of this topic and then understand in the present moment what that means and also what the future potentials from study of UAP might mean for us in the years ahead. So it's going to be a very comprehensive talk and one that I certainly hope is going to give us a very well-rounded perspective on what unidentified aerial phenomena or these transmitting phenomena that are DOD and others are currently studying. what they might represent and what that means for us all from here going forward. I love that. I love that, man. And, you know, I think one of my most popular episodes still of someone in the skies was an episode you did with me, where we went back to the, you know, antiquity time in terms of flying shields and the way we, you know, our ancestors interpreted these things in the skies and what that might say where we are in euphology now. And I think that's such a something that we don't, hold as much value as we used to as the history of this topic pre-Roswell.

And I think one of the most exciting things from that conversation we had was this idea that we can look at cases from antiquity or, you know, up through the 1800s with the airships and whatnot. And we can actually go look at like what the weather was like on the day that this event took place and what was going on in that geographical area at the time and now look at a case back then with fresh eyes and be like, oh, there was a weather phenomenon that occurred in this place at that time that could explain what this UFO was. And that blew my mind when you brought that up. I'm like, we are retroactively solving UFO cases.

So I love this idea of like the past, present future of euphology and how it can in tandem work, all those different timelines work together to find answers to this, if that makes any sense. Or am I way off the mark on that? No, you're spot on again. You know what Ryan's talking about for those who haven't watched this episode, and I'd highly encourage people to go back and check it out. We kind of broke down in real time an example of looking at a historic case. This one had actually been, I believe, a light that was seen hovering over Jerusalem for

several days. And what we were able to do is we were able to look at possible. explanations with the help of modern Stellarium, you know, star charting technologies. Because again, in terms of the way that the Earth orients itself with the star field around us, there are

absolutely, I mean, down to the minutiae, there are consistencies that can be tracked throughout time. And not only can we predict when we have future alignments, you know, that are going to occur of planets and things along these lines, we can also look back and we can see

past events. And we have a lot of knowledge based on the stellar debris that's left after, you know, for instance, a star explodes in the remnants of these supernovae. We have a good idea of when there are actually ways that astronomers based on the rate of the movement of this star stuff, as Sagan would have called it, through space. We can measure that and we can gauge when the actual event would have occurred, and therefore we can trace back in time when there would have been a bright light

that would have been seen in the sky for about a week or two. And then we can look at data about historical observations of, again, what we might call UAP and say, okay, cool. As we expected, people said that they saw a bright light in the sky during this period. Now, I'm by no means the only person or the best. In fact, in terms of researchers who are doing this, there are a lot of very, very skilled UFO historical researchers who are using this kind of information, historical data, you know,

Stellarium software and other things like this to help us unravel clues about past examples of UAP. What's interesting is when you get something you can't identify that you can't explain, and then we have to look at it and say, okay, you know, descriptions of a silver disk resembling a shield passing over a Roman army might at very least qualify for a UAP siding, not unlike the kinds of things that, for instance, members of Carrier Strike Group 11 encountered out there off the California coast in 2004. So that's what I think is most important, is trying to look at, do we have data that suggests there's been a longer presence of this phenomenon? And again, I'm so glad that folks like Michael and others are also going to be talking about the history. of this subject because, you know, again, everything that's been indicated to me about the current, or the forthcoming efforts of the arrow, as we decided to call it, they're not very interested in looking at historical information. They want to look at what we can collect now with the best

material and the best technology and go forward. And I respect that, but I also think that one day historians are going to look back and say, this phenomenon didn't begin in 2019 or 2017. It's been with us for a long time. And we're going to have to understand that history also. so to see the bigger picture about that. So Michael's lecture, my own lecture, are going to be looking at the history. I think we're all going to be trying to put together the temporal, as I'm not in my microphone here,

the temporal components of this phenomenon throughout time and what it means to us now, Brian, that human perspective on the phenomenon that's so integral to understanding UAP. Thank you, Michael. Well, you know, I can't pretend that, you know, witness testimony is anything to bring in front of, you know, a court of law.

But look, people have been sent to prison, put on murder, you know, death row because of witness testimony. So there is something to be said about where my sort of euphology lay in all this. But I can't pretend that it's the be all end all. I think data in history is an extremely important part to this entire mystery. I will just say right now, I am going to be giving a lecture that I have given before. in an entirely new light. The beauty of what I do is I am constantly hearing new stories and I am constantly investigating new cases.

And that's where the human perspective comes in. So I now have new people that I can bring forward that have never talked about their incidents before, including one of the pilots who encountered one of these things off of one of those carriers will be a part of one of my, one of my lectures out in Missouri and talking for the very first time about her very personal thoughts and theories on what she experienced over the coast of California there. So I'm really excited about that.

It's unlike anything I've done before in terms of the individuals I'm going to be presenting there in their stories. So I'm excited about that. But Michael, I want to ask you, man, we don't just have euphology going on at this thing, like we said earlier. What are some of the other talks that we're going to be hearing and maybe a few of the most interesting that you find interesting? I know they're all your babies. This is what your event that you're co-organizing. But yeah, would you mind touching on maybe a few of the other speakers and what they'll be talking about? Well, as you guys have already alluded to, you know, these anomalies, so to speak, are connected in the fact that they are. mysteries that are challenges to science and you know questions are brought up as to you know what constitutes

sufficient evidence you know what constitutes constitutes a methodological program of investigation how can we find out the truth behind you know some of these anomalous you know very divergent anomalous circumstances and all these questions will be erased and asked. And we will have people in in different fields to, you know, try to come up with, you know, some ideas and some answers. We got people from the euphological

research field. We got cryptozoologists. We got ghost hunters. We have keel experts. We have, you know, people from the Mothman Museum. You know, we have sort of a divergence of

people. it's really sort of amazing to see. We got Zach Bales, who is a writer, a teacher, and he investigates all different kinds of strange things. We got Steve Ward, who is a Keel researcher. He does tours of Mothman area, and also he works at the Mothman Museum in Point Pleasant. So jealous.

Yeah. It's like my dream job. Yeah, great gig there. Margie Kay, who was a director of Missouri, Mufon for many years, you know, a longtime researcher here. She also has a media network

that has a lot of people within all of these different paranormal communities. Courtney Block is the liminal librarian, or I think is what she is called, but she has written several ghost hunting books. She's a librarian

from Indiana. So she's, you know, we're trying to bring some of the younger people, people with new ideas, and people that, you know, do have a good basis expertise in the fields that they're coming from. Joshua

Cutchin is going to bring some of the esoteric, you know, discussion into the mix. be prepared to talk about fairies, you know, and folklore and, and, uh, all manner of, uh, high strangeness with, uh, with, any of these speakers, because we're going to hear some, uh, some, uh, things about blackness monster and Bigfoot and mothman and valiant Thor and, uh, conspiracies and also, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, UAPs and science and the limits of science. And, you know, we're going to, we're going to have fun with this and we're

going to have great conversations on the stage and in the panels and in the parties afterwards. So it should be great. Absolutely. And I know, and I already know some of the people that will be in attendance. And like you said, they have just as much right to be up on that stage as Micah and I do. So I'm excited to have conversations with a lot of the attendees at the, um, the afternoon. after parties. And tell us a little about this after party that's taking place at a haunted location. Is that correct? Because this will not be the first haunted location.

Micah Hanks and I have been in together after a couple of drinks, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. I heard about that. No, yeah, we're going to have some VIP stuff, you know, some receptions and other extra activities. I think we'll probably have some ghost tours or, you know, maybe a UFO tour, a few artistic things going on. I think there might be a performance of War of the Worlds, the radio show by a local group of artists.

I think that'll be fun and interesting. But we will also have, you know, a reception to celebrate, you know, our inaugural event at the local Victorian haunted house that was featured on Ghost Hunters a few seasons ago. We will be having some great social time there and can't have a better place to do that, you know, in a phenomenological location. And hopefully we'll experience some stuff and have some great conversations. Absolutely.

And just because you're a specter does not mean that you are getting in for free. So if you want ghosts and humans alike, we have some VIP discount codes for you right there for the event. Hank's VIP, Sprague VIP, Huntington, VIP. Just put that in at checkout and you will get a significant discount off the ticket price to this event. I can't wait. I don't do episodes where I just kind of market an event. And again, it's not just because us three are speaking at this. I do truly believe this is going to become a big thing in the Midwest.

And I have all the faith in the world in what you and Ken are putting together here. And I know it's going to grow into something truly special. And it's only just beginning, man. So I'm excited. I can't wait to meet you in person finally. It's going to be so, so cool. So, yeah, give us the information about when this is and where people can find out more about it, Michael, if you don't mind. Well, Cape Girada, Missouri is just maybe an hour and a half or two hours south of St. Louis.

We're right on the Mississippi River. We are a Rivertown. We have a great nightlife down there that celebrates that. We are in Cape Girada, Missouri. The event is at the Drury Plaza Conference Center in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, August 5th through 7th. We're doing three days, 10 speakers, panel, and then, you know, vendors room, and then all sorts of, you know, fun stuff. And, you know, this will be our first time out. Some of these people have, you know, worked on other conferences and stuff.

So I think logistically it's all going to be great. And we anticipate in future years adding things like film festivals and workshops and, you know, paper presentations and all that sort of stuff. So we hope to use this as a way to improve these communities and to have fun and to, you know, get back to socializing and having community. Absolutely, man. I think again, these conferences are kind of an excuse for us all to just get together in a community that we love, that we hate. But at the end of the day, we all have these burning curiosities in common. And I can't think of a better way to embrace a community. And I'm truly honored to be a part of that community and with all these amazing people.

So, yeah, we'll end it there, gentlemen. But before we go, I've kept you for long enough. Tell us where we can find everything you're up to. And yeah, Michael, let's start with you, man. Where can we find more about your work and everything you're up to? Well, let me get the plug in for our conference. Midwest Conference on the Unknown. You can go to www.w.kap slash events.com or, you know, do your search engine thing.

You can go to my Facebook. I think we got some links. All of us have some links up there. And check it out. can make it. Great. If not, keep us in mind for future years and, you know, give us your ideas on the sort of thing you want to see and the conversations you want to see happen. I'm accessible on social media. I'm on Facebook, Twitter, Michael Huntington. You can find me there. I do Instagram stuff as well. And that's it. Thanks for inviting me and thanks for participating.

It's an honor to be able to see you guys on stage and give your thoughts. I'm really looking forward to that, you know. So thanks for getting involved. And let's have some fun. Choice hotels get you more of what you value. Here's a little tune to help you remember. Same drive, different day. Don't you wish you were getting away pack your bags and come on through.

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I don't know if that's cutting out for the rest of everyone out there, too. My internet's been a little wonky. But no, Michael, thank you. Thank you for everything you do, my man. You keep us, you keep us young, and you keep us old on Twitter. Twitter and you challenge us. And we need more of that in the UFO Twitter space. So thank you, my man.

I'm going to let you go. I'm going to get Micah's contact info here. And we will see you in Missouri very soon, my friend. All right. Take care, guys. Take care, Michael. We'll see you. See you, Steve.

Yes, indeed. And as far as me, you know, it's not hard to find me online, Micahanks.com. I've got it right there, you know, and at Micahanks on Twitter. it helps when you make everything your name, right? It really does. It really does, man.

Hey, I, and the reason I wanted to end here with you, Micah, is because, you know, you have been a busy man. You've been all over the country as of late doing conferences and everything, but that doesn't stop you from running the debrief over there. So tell us where we can find everything you got going on over there and maybe a little about what's to come with the debrief. Well, we've always got a lot that we're working on. And, you know, the debrief, of course, has been quite a change from my own workflow and lifestyle for the last couple of years. It's been all hands-on deck, even more so beginning early this year when I took over full-time as editor-in-chief.

That, in addition to producing our weekly newsletter, the Intelligence Brief. Of course, I'm usually writing at least short articles, often features throughout the week as well. We've been covering everything from all the ongoing developments. in Washington with regard to UAP to the James Webb Space Telescope, a lot of defense issues, which mostly kind of falls into the purview of what my colleague Tim McMillan reports on. Chris Plain's been doing fantastic space and science, Maverick Science reporting. You know, I focus a lot on space these days, too, and over at the deep grief, you can expect to see a lot of all those topics, as we're looking at things that really fundamentally

all have one thing in common. They are interesting. They often indicate scientific developments. are changing our lives. And there are things that really we should all be keeping tabs on as we move ever steadily into the future. So you can follow all of that over there at the debrief.org. And of course, you can also follow our collective work and efforts. They're at Debrief Media on Twitter.

That's the handle on Twitter to follow the debrief. We've got a lot of followers and try to keep all of our information going out there and keep the dialogue going. But we're pretty much available in all places as well, social media-wise, Instagram, Facebook, and what have you. but all of that can be found there at the debrief.org with regular daily reporting, at least on weekdays, on all of these fascinating subjects happening in our world. Absolutely, my man. And again, keeping us on our toes here, always at the forefront of what's going on in the world of tech, defense, science, and, of course, UAP, something you and I will be talking about in just a few short weeks here.

So, Micah, I can't wait, man, to tip back a beer with you again. And this will be my first time seeing in a while, buddy. So get ready. It's going to be an interesting couple days in Missouri. Well, it certainly will. And, you know, I'm looking forward to lots of catching up. You and I are long overdue for and, you know, a beer. And, you know, I'm going to give you a hug too, buddy,

because it's been far too long. And I think we're overdue for that and some real good old-fashioned UFO talk like we always do. Absolutely, my man. And everyone join us in Missouri, August 5th through the 7th. Micah, I'm going to say, good night, my man. Talk a little shop with the viewers. here and I'll see you and Michael very soon. Looking forward to it, my friend.

All right. Talk to you soon, buddy. Take care. And then there was one. Guys, I have to truly thank Michael and Micah for hanging out with us tonight and talking all the latest UAP news and about the conference coming up. So again, we will have links in the show notes for the event and everything that Micah and Michael are up to. But yeah, check it out.

Cape slash Events.com is where you can get tickets. And again, we will have those discount codes for you as well below. Make this a huge inaugural event. Please, please. We would love to have you guys out there. I truly believe this is going to be something big in the future. So yes, join us there in Missouri, August 5th through the 7th. Other than that, I did a review last night over at the Unidentified Celebrity Review with

Luis Jimenez, Rather Be Squitting, and Tupacabra. And it was a lot of fun. We talked about Jordan Peel's new movie, Nope, which is getting a lot of very polarizing reviews, whether you loved it or hated it. What did we think? Go check it out over on the UCR YouTube page or the audio is available right now on our Patreon campaign where you can help support somewhere in the skies. So go to patreon.com slash somewhere skies to hear our review of Nope, Jordan Peel's latest UFO thing film. Other than that, the podcast is available wherever you get. your shows on all available podcast platforms.

And this will be the episode for this week. So I got to get editing right now for that. So I'm going to say good night to all of you. Thank you so much for joining us tonight for this very special live stream with Michael Huntington and Micah Hanks. It was truly an honor. Thank you to our super chat and super sticker folks here. We got Matthew Riot and we also have Scostin.

Thank you so much, guys. for your support of the show. And I should have read this when Micah and Michael were still here. Matthew Riot says, where can I find the Huntington Hanks only fans? I'll let you talk to them about that, my man. That is a conversation for another day. Thanks. Thanks, Matthew Riot.

Always fun having to hear, my man. So with that, guys, I'm going to say good night. Thank you, as always, for joining us here at Somewhere in the Skies. And as always, keep your feet on the ground, but never stop searching somewhere. in the skies. We will see you in Missouri on this space, guys. Somewhere in the skies is produced by Third Kind Productions in association with the Entertainment One Podcast Network.