Somewhere in the Skies - UFOs 2024: A Year in Review (w/ Cristina Gomez and Patrick Armstrong)

Episode Date: December 30, 2024

On episode 389, we are joined by Patrick Armstrong of VETTED and Cristina Gomez! Together, they help Ryan count down the biggest moments of UFOlogy in 2024. It's the good, the bad, and the ugly, as we look back at the turbulent year its been and where we may be heading in 2025 and beyond! Wishing all of you a very Happy Holiday season and New Year! Subscribe to VETTED: https://youtube.com/@VETTEDPODCAST?si=Z6SHLRnJqA4i4-VX Subscribe to Cristina Gomez: https://youtube.com/@CristinaG?si=mBujASGquMN0Q9Um Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Discord: https://discord.gg/NTkmuwyB4F Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ryansprague.bsky.social Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomewhereSkies Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/somewhereskiespod/ Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/Sprague51/ Order Ryan’s new book: https://a.co/d/4KNQnM4 Order Ryan’s older book: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Store: http://tee.pub/lic/ULZAy7IY12U Read Ryan’s articles at: https://medium.com/@ryan-sprague51 Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte Produced by LIONSGATE Copyright © 2024 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello, I'm David Marler, author of Triangular UFOs and Estimate of the Situation, and the Executive Director of the National UFO Historical Records Center. And you are now, Somewhere in the Skies. This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague. Welcome to a very special episode of Somewhere in the Skies. This will be a podcast in the very near future, but we decided to go live tonight with it, because I have two of my favorite YouTubers out there with us tonight. I cannot wait to break down all of 2024 when it comes to UFOs with them.

That's right. This is our official or unofficial, I don't know, official UFOs 2024 a year in review. And joining me today, I can already tell in the chat, you guys are super excited. We have both Christina Gomez and we also have Patrick. Armstrong from Vetted. So let's not waste any more time. They are busy people. I am going to bring them in. We are going to break down all of the biggest stories that came to us this year with UFOs. And our favorites, our least favorites, you name it. We're going to try to cover it tonight with these two. Let's not waste any more time. Let's bring them in. I have with me. Patrick and Christina, welcome, guys.

Hi there. Oh, Patrick, you're on mute. Starting off the stream beautifully. Yes, hello, fellow betters. And Ryan and Christina, thank you all so much for having me. My pleasure, man. If someone doesn't start a live stream on mute, there's a problem.

Let's be honest. Everyone's so polite that they always mute their mics when we do these intro. So, guys, thank you. Thank you for taking the time to be here with me tonight. Christina, it's been, gosh, a while since we've last been on a stream together. Patrick, this is my first time, man, having you on the show. So I'm super excited to

learn a bit more about you, my man. So let's start with that, guys. For anyone who might be new to both of your work on my channel, let's get some introductions, if you don't mind, who you are, what you do, maybe how your interests started in this topic or why you started your channels. But yeah, yeah, Patrick, let's start with you, buddy. Sure. Again, thank you so much for having me on. I'm super excited to dive into this. And yeah, a little bit of my background. I run a show called VETED, V-E-T-T-E-D. You can find this on YouTube and I don't know where else. We're out there. Yeah, yeah, I've been doing this a little over a year. Just barely, to be honest with you. Very new to the topic, but very intrigued by everything. And I love this community so much. And I love talking about these things, to be honest with you. and you know that's it you know i'm i'm here for it right um i just have to say real quick ryan i love your color theme right it's like a light pistachio green i love it just by the way i'm into that stuff so and of course christina stuff is top notch y'all if y'all haven't checked out christina stuff

please go subscribe to that and ryan too you all are both some of the hardest working people in this community i mean that like literally i watch from afar i see how much work y'all put into it and it puts me to shame because people always say, oh, how you do a daily video? That's nothing compared to what these two do right here, y'all. So if you haven't already, please jump on their channels, support them. You know, hard work deserves support. That's simple.

So thanks again for having me. Our pleasure, buddy. Our pleasure having you here. And I can't wait to hear what you as kind of a newcomer to this whole topic, this field, this space. What you learned from your first year in it, for sure. I'm happy to get to that. But Christina, let's do the rundown. Tell us a little about yourself, your channel, how you got interested in the topic.

And yeah, throw it at us. I'm Christina Gomez. I'm a UFO researcher and journalist. And I cover UFO news, updates, case studies, and government comments on the topic. And right now, which I'm pretty excited about, is I just launched a new website. It's called UFONews.com. And it is a great ad-free resource to get international news that I launched just, about two weeks ago. And it's an aggregate of UFO news from all across the internet, keeping

myself and others up to date on what's going on without having to scroll through the internet endlessly. And what's really exciting about 2024 is that so much has happened that the news is just full with this kind of stuff. I've been doing this for a few years now. And it all started with the TV show The Twilight Zone. Best show of all time and I still watch it every new year when the sci-fi channel plays it for 48 hours straight. I had to like pin my eyelids to my eyebrows just to stay awake to watch every single episode. But it's really exciting to be here. I'm really looking forward to doing this rundown with you guys. And like what Patrick said, such a sweetheart, by the way. You guys are also just as amazing. Patrick killing it. I mean, with daily videos,

keeping us up to date on what's going on is insane. And Ryan, you all bring in such factual information, also bringing in great guests as well. It's an honor to be here with you guys sharing this space with you. So I just want to say, thank you for having me. Oh, thank you, Christina. Well, I'm so happy you mention Twilight Zone. Speaking of guests, I should mention, we're actually going to have Rod Serling's daughter on the show in the very near future and Serling. No way. Yeah, so I'm super excited. I've been a part of the, it's called the Rod Serling Foundation. I've been a member for about three years now. And one of the perks was we actually got to ask

Anne Serling some questions. And of course, being a content creator, I'm like, well, you come on my show. So she said yes. So it's happening, guys. She said yes, it's happening. But enough about that. Let's get to the news, guys.

Like you said, Christina, so much has happened this past year. You know, a lot of the times in the UFO field, we tend to be like, ah, nothing's really going on. And then boom, everything drops all at one. for I think us, it was the past couple months. Just things have been in complete overdrive when like kind of the middle of the year was a little slow. But it's all been very interesting. So let's start where you always start January.

We started the year off with, I'm just going to read through this pretty quick. And then I just, I'll get your guys thoughts on this stuff. Arrow. So we have the Department of Defense's Arrow. which has been in existence guide for almost two and a half, three years now at this point. A new director as well, John Kozlowski. But the All Domain Anomily Resolution Office released volume one of its historical report this year, right at the beginning of the year, which is pretty interesting.

And this was a historical record on U.S. government involvement with UAP. It was a comprehensive 63-page document which examined U.S. government investigations into UFOs from 1945 to the present. So they had everything from Project Saucer, Grudge, Sign, Project Blue Book, up to the, you know, the more current stuff, the Elizondo A-Tip stuff, Ossap, UAP, UAP Task Force, obviously, up to Arrow. So they kind of went through the history of the government's involvement with this topic publicly. Their involvement publicly. But a lot of people were really kind of disappointed with this historical thing. It felt very sort of slapped together. A lot of factual errors in this thing were pointed out by a lot of people in the UFO community and outside it as well.

And yeah, I'm trying to think of anything else. that really was telling about that historical report. But is this a story that you both kind of kept up with when it first came out about the historical report? Christina, we'll start with you. Absolutely. So this report was, I think some saw it as a nothing burger, but I think there was a lot of things to take away from it. To start off with, there were a few projects and offices that we weren't familiar with. For instance, Kona Blue, that was one that really caught people's attention. But something that for me was kind of alarming. And I actually have the quote here. It was in the second page of this report. And it states it is worthwhile to note that all official foreign UAP investigation efforts

to date have reached the same general conclusions as the USG investigations. And what it's stating here from my understanding up until this day is that ARO had spoken to other UFO offices around the world and they have all come to a consensus that there's nothing to see here. But it's not a good enough cop out because since all the way from Project Sasser to Arrow, which Sosser was created in 1946, that's decades and decades and decades of creating very similar offices, similar projects, similar groups, but they're all receiving allegedly the same conclusion of there's nothing to see here. And Nancy Mace made that very clear in the last hearing that we received in November of, up if you are making all these offices, but you're getting the same conclusion, where is the funding going?

Why are you throwing so much money if you already know the answer? So that was definitely a telltale sign in this report that I wish received more attention. But as the year has progressed, in a roundabout way, people are really focusing on that now. Right, right. Yeah, exactly. I know. Where did that money go? Like, I'd really like to know. Is it for the Arrow website? A domain can't cost that much. Let's be completely honest. But Patrick, what did you make, man, of this historical report? I can't say that I dug into it as much as Christina did.

And that was great to hear, to be honest with you, which is why y'all should be watching her show. I'm kind of hit or miss with Arrow and a lot of what they take in. But I will say that data is data, right? At the end of the day, I can decide then what to do with it. Right. So I did appreciate them putting this out. And I support offices like Arrow.

I may not agree with all of their conclusions or what comes out of it. But at the end of the day, the idea of it, I do support it could eventually fall into line. But again, a lot of data came out that we can then look at. I just don't see anything wrong with that. And as far as like how much money and where it goes, I mean, that's just a governmental problem, period, right? Not just focused on this office. but how government spends money, period. And they never spend money correctly on anything, right?

There are stories of the government spending $10 million to build one, one bathroom. That's not a joke. So imagine Arrow getting money of 10 to 20, like, where is it going? I mean, I'm astounded that the report even came out, if I'm being honest. Like, they put out one tweet for the first year they were right. Remember them being like, oh, we're going to communicate with you guys and let you keep you up to date. and then nothing. Complete silence. So honestly, I'm a little, on one hand, I'm just surprised anything even comes out of it because it's run by our government in that sense. And the second, you know,

just to look at it optimistically, yeah, it's data that comes out that's, I think, helpful. And we can then find maybe where some errors are, you know, whatever from it. So yeah, yeah, that was interesting. I think it should be discussed and it is a part of the community as a whole. Something else to mention. I'll make this really brief is that Dr. John Koslowski has really been hiding in the shadow. So even though we barely knew about him in the beginning of the year, we just really had a profile picture and he was going to be the new director of Arrow. He never showed up online after that until he gave his hearing to Kirstian Gillibrand just a few weeks ago. And that was the first time ever we heard him speak. And what was interesting is that he didn't really get. his chair in the in the arrow office until august of this year so we can kind of check off that he wasn't the one that wrote this report the volume one and it was a high chance that it was dr shon kirk patrick before he resigned in december of 2023 i i struggle with the whole arrow thing and we'll get to that because it kind of wraps up the year too actually with arrow it's kind of we're bookending this

entire year with Arrow. But I want to move to something that Patrick actually brought to my attention, because I had completely forgotten about this. That's going to happen a lot tonight. There were these little gems and things that I totally, like, didn't think about that happened this year. And that's why I have you guys here, because I was like racking my brain since I decided to do this.

I'm like, was this really the worst year in uphology? But honestly, like, a lot did happen. And I'll ask you guys about that at the end, because we did put a poll up as well about that. I would like to know what you thought of 2024 overall. But before we get that, Patrick, this story was pretty interesting. So the whole grush thing exploded last year. I mean, that's all anyone could talk about. Mainstream media covered it. Endlessly, like, there was drama going on. There were follow-ups on a lot of the things that he claimed. Reverse engineering craft, crash retrieval programs, 40 witnesses that he spoke to who worked on these things. Like,

sci-fi come to life. Every euthologists dream coming true is what this guy was testifying before Congress. It was crazy. I remember just sitting there like shaking my head being like, is this really happening? Is it really happening? That's the real question. And there was a secret meeting that took place in January of this year in New York City. Patrick, if you want, man, I can break this down a little bit. And then I'd love to get both their comments about this. But Grush, a former U.S. intelligence officer who testified before Congress last year about all of what I just said, he revealed UFO details during a secret meeting in Manhattan that was attended by esteemed guests, including officials from the CIA, FBI, and the Department of Homeland

Security. There were also tech entrepreneurs and big wigs for Wall Street who joined in total 60 people were there and witnessed the talk at a penthouse in Manhattan. During the event, photo taking was prohibited. The only information regarding this secret meeting was leaked

by an anonymous participant in the meeting who snapped a couple shots of grush. According to the person who leaked the event, the meeting was hosted by a lawyer and this person added that it was like a small kind of like

What do they call those? Like a salon almost, just like get together, very informal. And the last thing I'll say is Grush claimed during this meeting that his sources worked on 40-foot UAP that were the size of a football field when they stepped inside, according to an in attendee at the event, when they stepped inside the craft. So it was 40 feet outside and the size of a football field when you got inside. So it's like some Alice in Wonderland, Willie Wonger. Tardist kind of feel.

Yeah, Tardist stuff, Christina. What else do you say here? That was like the big bold claims that were made at this thing. But Patrick, I stole your thunder, man. I kind of gave away the secrets of the meeting. But this was one you brought to my attention. So what did you think about this? Yeah, I found this fascinating.

I guess the first question I asked when I made a video about this was, if I remember correctly, you know, why does this have to be behind closed doors? why couldn't this presentation be made to the public to learn about some of this stuff? But yeah, the stuff he said about the Tartis and, you know, is fascinating, right? The idea that, you know, like Doctor Who, think Doctor Who, right? When they walk in the phone booth, right? It's this idea that, you know, imagine a dog house.

But when you got inside the dog house, it was the size of a mansion, right? Like that idea is fascinating to me, which I saw in an episode of Scooby-Doo one time. So shout out to Scooby-Doo. But that's very, that's a very, that's a very, fascinating idea of what he talked about, you know, at this presentation. Yeah, I just found it fascinating. Who's holding these? Apparently it was also these guys that held this, you know, meeting to have David Grush come and they do this kind of thing a lot where they have people like David Grush come and speak to these people, right, sitting down in this sort of penthouse

style thing. But yeah, this thing that he revealed. And to be fair, I think we also learned at this meeting, which you didn't bring up, Ryan, which is that David, Grush had brought up his first-hand knowledge before an experience. But I believe in this presentation, it got brought up. Again, anonymous source only, right, from that. But that his firsthand knowledge was that he was read into a UFO program, built around satellites where they could, what was it, monitor UAP coming in and out of the atmosphere at a certain frequency.

They knew where crashes were. And more, and that was around the time that his op-ed was going to come out, right? and detailed some more of that information. So I think some of the stuff in this presentation was going to come out in his op-ed. And let me just state for the record, like, I'm a huge fan of David Grush. I think people who watch my show realize that. I've loved this dude since he first came out in the hearing. And I've, you know, felt a little, I feel a little bad for him because I think he's been let down in a lot of ways since he came out and kind of push to the back.

And, you know, this happened in January. right and as you'll see as we go david grush's like you know presence in the community and news about him flutters away right until the hearing when then you go well wait a second what about david grush you know let's where are we at with his stuff so regardless this was an interesting meeting and i look forward to hearing what christina has to say about it to mention something about david grush and a big reason to why he hasn't really been showing himself over the last several months is a According to my knowledge, he has been harassed only by the public in the internet because the internet never forgives. But on top of that, there were allegations that government officials entered his home, left notes and mentioned that, you know, you're not safe, your family's not safe.

And we can do whatever we want, whenever we want. That could shut up anybody, not only when you yourself are in danger, but those that you love are as well. This is a very tricky topic. And when you have this knowledge and you come forward and you share your government knowledge with the public, it doesn't go well for the majority of people. And I think David Grush is an example of that. He was very optimistic in his hearing in July of 2023. And then as we see him from time to time and these moments have been very rare, the light behind his eyes has gone. He's like, do I regret?

Do I regret coming forward? Or was it the right thing to do? Did I lay a foundation for these whistleblowers? Or am I displaying to the ones that want to come forward to not do so because it's too dangerous? So there's a lot of controversy here with him, with what he did and how it's all moving forward. But hopefully it doesn't discourage people to come out in the future, as we have heard from a few others. There's going to be anywhere from, what, 20 to 30 whistleblowers that are kind of lined up, ready to come along.

But after what happened to Grush, I don't know if they're still willing to do so. He really did, you know, as Avi Loeb would often say, in the scientific community, but for Grush in the intelligence community, like he really did step on some landmines. You know, like before the other people start coming forward, he's taking the hits. And he really did when that Intercept article came out and all these threats. So yeah, it really was kind of a warning to anyone who was thinking about coming forward. Like, yo, we're going to find some stuff out on you and we're going to make it public. Like, this is how, you know, the government works.

This is how politics works like, too. So it doesn't surprise me in some ways. But it is disheartening. He kind of like made these huge claims and then ghosted everyone. And those could be for very good reasons. We do know he's part of a lawsuit right now against the Loudoun County Sheriff's Office, which are the ones who released his records and all that. So that could be a huge reason why he's silent right now, I would assume.

But another reason is apparently the IG investigation that really put all of this into motion, like that the reason he came forward was because there was an investigation going on about on, what did they call it? Unallocated funds or something like that. I'm probably butchering that of these programs, these crash retrieval programs and whatnot. And that that investigation is over. So I'm hoping, I don't know about you guys, but I'm hoping that in 2025, we're going to find out the results of that IG investigation. Apparently, that news should be coming to us in early

2025, if not by the end of this month, possibly. So yeah, that's a little, little tease for you guys. I can't pretend that I'm the one that tease that. That was the debrief. So shout out to the debrief. But we'll see. We'll see. One thing I forgot to put real quick, I mean, we don't have to focus on it, But Jeremy Corbell's jellyfish video came out in January. Of course. That was huge. That was huge. Wow.

That was a huge story and event and everything. So yeah, I just, I forgot myself, honestly. But I wanted to make sure before we jump to the next month. No, thank you, Patrick. That is one of the freakiest UAP videos I have ever seen. Christina, I know you did some videos on that as well, the jellyfish. video where are we at on that does anyone know like has it been explained has it been debunked i know there were a i sort of uh hoaxed images going around that you had that whole sarah gam

controversy with it as well um it's dizzy guys i'm going to be honest like i can't keep up with this stuff that's why i watch patrick's daily show to try to keep up with everything but um christina where are we at with the whole jellyfish thing do you know A little bit, but let me give you a little bit of background for those that aren't familiar with it. That video was filmed back in 2018 in Iraq. And then Jeremy Corbell got a hold of it and he released it in January of this year. There's been a lot of controversy. Like with any video that we ever receive about UFOs, UAP, is it real?

Is it not? There have been analysis on it and saying that from the thermal cameras, the temperature is odd, the movement is odd, things like this. Others have mentioned that it is just bird poop on screen, but it doesn't always calculate everything that's being seen there. Then I had Mufon investigator Bob Spearing, who had mentioned that he doesn't believe it to be real just because of some of the information that was laid out didn't really add up.

However, it does display to the world that these jellyfish shaped UFOs have been reported since the 1940s. So this isn't a brand new shape. We have seen it before, but it's not a shape that is commonly spoken about by UFO researchers, just because it's not a prevalent, as prevalent as like the saucer or a cigar-shaped UFO. These jellyfish that have these kind of tentacles coming down below it.

What's really interesting is that they have been seen all around the world and not just outside, but also inside people's, homes as well, adding this kind of layer of interdimensional aspect to it, which is very interesting. But as for the full-blown conclusion on this video that was filmed back in 2018, it's still unknown. We don't have any definitive answers as of yet. But I would like to see how Arrow would address this, how the Pentagon would address this, would we believe them if they gave us an answer anyway? That's hard to say, but no one's, no one's really addressed it as of yet.

I do have one little update that I heard from George Knapp in the latest episode of Weaponize where they say that they're going to be revisiting the jellyfish video incident. Well, the incident itself that Christina laid out. Because if you remember, the whole idea was, is that, and it was a long video, if you remember, right? Kind of, oh, this is crazy, right? Remember, there was supposed to be an additional video or an additional part of that video that showed the jellyfish going into the water and then coming out and shooting off. And that was a big crux to this whole story was where is that part of the video, right?

And I think maybe that is what they say it's existed because if you watch George Knapp's Netflix show, Alien Investigation, they revisit the jellyfish. and the guy that helped them with it says, I have seen that video. So there may be, maybe that's what they're going to update people on. But just like any video, I think it's also important to remember the context around the video, meaning any eyewitnesses,

what happened, how'd the video get out, right? Like conditions there, whatever, right? Like, not just the video itself. So I, you know, as weird as it is, I do keep an open mind on it. And, you know,

they called it the spaghetti, monster. If remember, there was one witness who had came out and that's what they called it on the base. And yeah, you know, I'm open to it. If they say they're going to update us and and bring more out about it, I'm looking forward to it. But regardless of how you feel about the video, it did make an impact in the community and I'm glad we're bringing it up. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And you bring up a good point, Patrick. And this will come up a few other times tonight. Where is the rest of these videos? Why do we always just get these tiny little, whatever, 30 seconds? And then they're like, oh, yeah, totally.

Like, that thing went into the water after that or that thing shot up into space. Cool. Can I see that? Like, uh, it's just welcome to euphology, Patrick. Welcome to euphology, my friend. February. Alien mummies. Alien mummies.

Again, Christina, I know you've covered this a lot on your show with Jimmy and, um, and with some of your guests. But there was, there's a lot of controversy behind what happened. So last year, Jaime Muson wheeled out these mummies in front of Congress in, I believe it was Mexico, right? Mexico City. Right. With this took place. Yes.

And these were allegedly from Peru and were found near the ancient NASCA lines and dated over 700 years old. Now, if you're familiar with Jaime Mistan, on the mummy thing has been around for a while. This is not the first time he's ever brought these forward, but this is the first time they've ever been wheeled out in front of Congress on a congressional floor. Again, science fiction, guys, we are living in a simulation. Good video today, by the way, Patrick. Good video today.

But this happened in February. Experts with Peru's prosecuting office analyzed the mummies and forensic archaeologist, Avio Estrada presented the results of the findings at a conference for the Peruvian Ministry of Culture. And he said the following. They are not extraterrestrial. They are not interterrestrial. They are not a new species. They are not hybrids.

They are none of those things that this group of pseudoscientists who for six years have been presenting them with these artifacts. So basically what he's saying is these are not real. These are fake. These are dolls, I believe, is the term that they used. And then you got the whole thing where, like, they were finally confiscated, brought back to Peru. Jaime Mason flew to the U.S., met with a congressperson, Tim Burchett, and said, I want these things tested in the U.S. So, again, like, huge complex story. We can't get into all of it now. But let's kind of go with, like, your overall gut feeling with the person.

Peru mummies, guys. Christina, let's start with you. This is a story that I have been following very closely since it came out from that last hearing last year. And something worth noting is that the scientists that are doing the research on multiple different bodies, they have about 12 in their possession currently. They agree with that person that stated that they aren't real. The ones that were received by the Ministry of Culture of Peru were dolls. They were created by some kind of artist. And as name escapes me. It's like Enrique something. And the scientists, which I've spoken to personally, I have some interesting interviews coming up rather shortly with a few of them. They have mentioned

that the ones that are in their possession, they are consistently analyzing some of that information is public. They will be releasing a website, hopefully at the end of December or in January of next year, to really give people a concrete location on all of their findings and all of their data analysis. Here's the difficult part about this. Currently, Peru is in a way keeping these bodies hostage. They do not want them to travel to other parts of the world. And based off of what these scientists have mentioned, these forensic analysis people and a few others with very interesting backgrounds like those that work on teeth on the cranium and things like this, they have mentioned that currently like the Inka University in Peru, they just don't have the proper equipment

needed to do proper analysis. And so they want to take them to Canada. They want to take them to the United States in order to get the correct equipment needed. Then Jaime Moussaan did do an interview with Tim Burchett or Tim Burchett, excuse me. And Tim Burchett seemed to rather interest it. He's like, if anything, I want the University of Tennessee, the university that I graduated from, that's what he said, to do the analysis on these. And Jaime seemed about the mystic.

He's like, yes, absolutely. but currently the Ministry of Culture of Peru is not allowing these bodies to leave the country. And so right now, Heime is filing a $300 million lawsuit on them, which is wild, to help push this information forward. But from the people that I've spoken to, a lot of the scientists on the team, truly believe and looking at their data alone, stating that what they're seeing is, very strange. They might have been on Earth for thousands of years and maybe they're not necessarily extraterrestrial from a different planet, but just have slightly different DNA from humans that we

have today. But this is a really slow process since they don't have the proper equipment in their hands at this point in time. Okay. Wow. So the jury is still out then. This is crazy. It is. But the thing is that because of these, of these, what, What's it? The dolls made out of paper. Because that took, you know, presidents in in the news, it really dropped the interest. But again, the ones that were presented by the Ministry of Culture, those were paper dolls. And the scientists know that. They look at it. And they're like, yeah, duh, obviously. But the Ministry of Culture didn't look at the ones that are in the scientists' possession that I know of. Interesting. Yep. That's how this, again, that's what happens. in this field. It's like some truth with a little bit of weird non-truth and fiction, you know, sandwiching it in. It's frustrating. Yes, exactly. Patrick, what do you make of the whole mummy thing, man? I've got one word. Edropia. That is a Greek word. Look it up. It's like, you know, self-destructive.

That's how I would describe this whole thing. It's, you know, I graduated from the University of the streets and my first thought is this is BS right but you know with that said yeah I'm not an expert okay I will say this um my family is from Mexico my brother was born in Wadalajara my mom is from Mexico City I've spent many many you know a lot of time in Mexico I've lived there I've heard of these things decades before I was ever in this topic this is something that happens in South America and Central America and even Mexico North America, right? Like that these mummies, you know, have been made by with paper machet, right?

And they're constructed from all these different bones. What are the issue becomes, well, there's different types of things. You got the little mummies that they presented at the congressional hearing in September of 2023. But then you have these bigger ones come out, right? And they kind of release one every month. It seems like, hey, meet. This is Frederico. And this is, you know, Juliet.

And like every month, there's like a whole personality built around it. it's almost like there's multiple things happening. You know, you've got dolls that have been made and there's, again, a dull backstory of why or what. You have some of these things that have been sold to people, whether or not they're real or they're the doll or whatever,

but then you have a history of these being made, right? And then on top of that, maybe there are some real things that are here, right, that are whatever they are, right? It just,

it mixes, like you said, Ryan, like, you know, you get a little, nugget of something cool and interesting and compelling, but it's surrounded by just complete nonsense.

It makes it really hard, but I'm still open-minded to it. I love that Christina's dove deep into it. I have not very much, to be honest with you. I barely covered on my channel, but not because of anything, whatever. I don't know, just, but I'm open to it. I don't know. It's interesting for sure. It's a lot.

I'm glad we're talking about it. Totally, man. It's a disinformation stew. You know, this always happens. You know, this goes with like the, and Christina, I know you covered this last year as well, the whole attacks that were happening in Peru, too, on the villagers and whatnot. Like crazy story. We won't get into it now, but go back in the archives over on Christina's channel and check those out too.

A lot of weird stuff going on over there, that's for sure. But I want to move guys to another one of Patrick's favorites that he sent me. And this was Carl Nell, aerospace executive, senior military officer and corporate strategist. Wow, Ryan, I can say words. He said at the Salt Conference, which is something I'm not too familiar with, but again, something that happened in New York, I believe. And during an interview, he stated that there are unelected people in the government that are aware of non-executive. human intelligence interacting with humanity and that he has zero doubt about it. Man, that was quite a bold statement to make.

I remember watching like the stream of that event and being like, whoa, like, okay, all right, let's go. Let's go. Let's go, Carl Nell. So, Patrick, this was one of your faves that you brought up to me. What did you think about this mysterious conference and what Carl Nell brought forward. Look, you know, the Sault Conference is put on by Anthony Scaramucci. You can Google him. He kind of had his claim to fame during the Trump administration in 2016. But basically, yeah, it's like this financial. Think of it just like a basically like a financial conference, right? And if you remember previously the year before Carl Nell went, Gary Nolan spoke out and there's a famous clip of Gary Nell saying, you know, like 100% right, that we are not alone and whatever, right? So it kind of that that was, you know, to, to connect those dots, right?

And originally, David Grush, to bring him up again, was going to be the one that spoke at the Salt Conference. And for whatever reason, he couldn't make it. And Carl Nell stepped in. And then he had Carl Nell, which, I mean, what he talked about was just widely talked about. I myself was just as interested as Ryan hearing him say that and hearing what he had to talk about.

In fact, I was hoping Carl Nell was going to testify at the hearing this past year. And Carl Nell is also, according to Leslie Keene, he is one of David Grush's 40 witnesses. So him coming out and saying that is a big deal, right? Carl Nell coming out and saying that at this conference is a big deal. I heard that as well that he was going to be one of the ones testifying. And when we get to that hearing, I want to know your guys' thoughts on that. Because Napa Corbell, a little pissed off how that last hearing went. and with very good reason. But we will definitely get to that. Christina, did you have any thoughts on the Carl Nell's

statement and how that all went down? One, really, just one thing to mention is Carl Nell's background. He's a retired U.S. Army colonel, which is really high up there. So for him to make these claims and these statements is remarkable. Now, it would be awesome to have him speak under oath to give that same information. But maybe in a future hearing, maybe he will speak that. I would be very excited to see something like that happened. Absolutely. Bring it on. 2025, baby. Japan. Japan is getting in the UFO

investigating game. In a historic move, Japan launched its first official UFO investigation team following reports of strange lights near Okinawa. The Japanese government partnered with local scientists and the U.S. Navy,

interesting, to collect and analyze data. These sightings coincided with an uptick and naval activity in the region. leading to speculation about possible surveillance by foreign entities or advanced drone technology. Get used to that word tonight, guys. So yeah, yeah, what do you guys think about? Like, the whole setting up of arrow and everything is having an effect on the rest of the world. Canada is now doing their thing over there.

They're doing the Sky Canada project. Japan is doing this now. Other countries are starting to open up their own UFO invent. investigation units or offices. So yeah, whoever wants to take that. What do you think about the whole international? Like, you have gone international. They've always been international. But the investigation of them is truly going international. Christina. I love it. I love it. Actually, if anything, the U.S. and Canada are very behind with their UFO offices. Places like Japan, China, Russia, many parts of South America have had them for decades. But because of Iraq,

and the U.S. really being in the spotlight with UFO news, it seems like other countries are becoming more public about them just showing an interest in this. But also it always depends on the news cycle. Like we're not always, the U.S. isn't always going to get news from Japan, right? It's not covered by these mainstream outlets. But for instance, when we're looking at Japan, they've always had an interest.

They've had one of the most famous UFO sightings like the UTSRubune in the 1800s, right? But what's interesting is that, you're looking at, you've always had an interest, they've always had one of the most famous UFO sightings. Right. But what's interesting is that, you've always had, But right after Arrow released their volume one, stating that other foreign UFO offices agree with Arrow that there's nothing to see here, Japan very quickly had their people of parliament state, there's nothing to UFOs. And then Australia did something very similar. And so for me, it was very remarkable to see these countries following suit after this Arrow report of stating, nothing to see here. but in the background they are doing a lot of investigations. They are still showing an interest in it.

And I would like to see what new information comes from Japan along with Canada. We knew about the Canada Sky Project in March of this year, stating that we were going to receive a report in the fall or winter of 2024. We still haven't received it. If anything, it's just been crickets from the Canada Sky Project. But I would like to see what information they provide since they are working with the police, the police of that area along with their space institutions as well and a few other locations. But right now when it comes to Japan, it doesn't seem super hopeful.

But I think behind the scenes, people are really showing an interest in this. Hey, it's a start. It's a start for sure. Patrick, what do you think, man? I just want to say my pronunciation is not as good as Christina as well. Great job popping that off that story. That was awesome. I just have to say two words.

Arigato, Japan. Let's go, baby. Let's go. I'm all for you. I'll actually be there in. Right. I'm in. I'll be there in January.

So I'll let you guys know. I'll let you know. How exciting. Yeah, yeah. I do this. It's like a tradition now. We do this like around the world in 30 days thing during the holidays. So, yeah, I will be in Kobe and Osaka, I think.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll let you know if I see any UABs. Maybe. I'm a little self-conscious, Christina, when it comes to that sort of stuff. That is valid, yes. It is, yes, I get that. Yeah, yeah.

They don't want this pasty white-ass dude going in their hot springs over there. Trust me. Let's move to a fun one. Well, I got you guys here. We are getting a new Steven Spielberg UFO movie. So Universal Pictures and Amblin Entertainment

announced a new movie directed by Stephen Spielberg set to be released in May of 2026. This was announced this year, though. That's why I'm bringing it up. While the title and plot are still unknown, there's like a working title. I think it's called The DISH, is what people have uncovered. It will reportedly be an original UFO story,

and it is described as an event film. And it will star Emily Blunt, Josh O'Connor and Oscar winner Colin Firth. So, oh, man, I am so excited about this. We don't know what it's going to be about yet. Everyone's speculating different things. But yeah, what did you guys think about when you first learned that Spielberg was going back to UFOs again? Well, I do want to say that I just read that Wyatt Russell, Kurt Russell's son,

is also going to be in the movie they just announced. Oh, awesome. He's a great actor. Yeah, that's really cool. because if you connect the Russell family to UFOs, right? Kurt Russell famously was one of the pilots who reported the Phoenix Lights. So that's kind of interesting, bringing him into the play. Yeah, I mean, Spielberg making a movie, period, is a big deal to me.

I grew up on Spielberg movies. I'm, you know, born in 79, so Spielberg is huge to me. And anytime he tackles this phenomena, I mean, close encounters is one of the classics, right? Just period as a movie. But in UFO lore, like close encounters. So, yeah, Spielberg, you know, the dish, right? I think, like you said, it's a working title, but it's an event film, right, about what is it going to, like, I'm ready, man, I'm ready. I'm in.

Yeah, yeah, Christina, what do you think? What's this movie going to be about? We know you know. You got the insider knowledge. No, I am just as in the dark as everybody else. I'm not cool with these insiders of like, oh, did you hear? Oh, I can tell you, but I also can't tell you. I hate that.

No, but on a serious note, when I come to. comes to Spielberg, there's always been these rumors that he has definitely been given a tip off on UFO information. When Ronald Reagan gave one of his very famous speeches about UFOs, he had just watched ET prior to that speech that he gave. So it would be interesting to see if we're going to see any nuggets of truth in this new hearing, in this new movie, excuse me, but also he, Spielberg has made this public that he believes that a lot of these U.S. or us from the future like time travelers, which seems to be a very new theory that people are really jumping on the bandwagon with.

So for me, that's something that I'm possibly contemplating might be a key feature in the new movie, The Dish of maybe it might be us from the future, merely based off of him publicly speaking to news outlets of his interest and possible hypothesis on these UFOs. Oh, man. Yeah, the possibilities are endless about what this thing could be about. I really do hope it's like kind of about what's going on today.

You know, like his take on Uphology, like 2017 and we'll see. We'll see. I'm really excited. And you're right. Like it does seem like he, a lot of people even believe that, yeah, he was kind of like the disseminator of. small disclosures throughout the years in his movies, which is interesting. And we know for a fact that there were, like, actual government men in black and FBI people

on the set of the ex-files. So, like, you can't tell me that Hollywood and the government don't have some weird marriage when it comes to UFO disclosure and stuff like that. But, yeah, it's interesting. Greetings, everyone. Ryan Sprague, your host of Somewhere in the Skies. For over seven years and more than 400 episodes, the Summer in the Sky's podcast has always been free to listen to, but it's not free to create. So we offer several ways to help support our efforts and get rewards in return.

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because we want to get to all of the months here. Anything else could happen? June was pretty busy. There were some updates on some findings of Roswell crash debris that geologist Frank Kimbler has brought forward. I was one of the people who had his materials tested at an aerospace lab in California. gosh, probably like three or four years ago.

I went out to the Roswell Crafts site with him and I got to like hold these things. It was super weird, super strange. I had them tested. My results were not anything to write home about, to be honest. There were some anomalous things going on there. But the other materials that he had tested recently on a television show called, what was it, Alien Encounters,

fact or fiction. They had them tested. by people apparently that worked with like the UAP task force or something like that. And according to Serium Labs, the isotopic analysis revealed some anomalies that suggest the metal might not be from Earth. The analysis showed that the metals possess unusual characteristics such as lack of oxidation, signs of having been exposed to extreme heat, which I take as an explosion, a crash impact. And that, let me see here,

the fragments could be from an advanced, possibly non-human technology that crashed. So, again, huge bold claims. But yeah, what do you guys think about all these Roswell crash debris stories out there? Do you have any thoughts on that? I'm surprised that they're still finding it, even though the crash took place in 47. You think that it would be completely wiped, completely swept, as it was stated by the witnesses during that time. So for them, for people still to find it, it's remarkable.

If anything, it's either super exciting or it was placed there on purpose. I can't decide. I don't know which one it is. But either way, it's exciting. Was it placed there? That's such a good point. You know, the big thing that I brought up with Frank is I asked him, like, how? How are you finding all these metals?

This thing happened so long ago. And like, why are you finding them so deep below the ground? And he went through all. He's a geologist. He went through all of this with me. Like, well, you've got to think, like 70 plus years of rainfall, erosion, like, more of dirt going over. Like, if they missed anything back in 47, which they probably did, you know, they didn't

pick up every single piece of this, whatever crash out there, that, you know, things would eventually blow over it and then boom but frank has gone out there for years now and found these things under the ground not only that he found military buttons that were dated uh presumably dated back to the 40s with these crash debris pieces so it's crazy if if true if true um Patrick what do you think about roswell and all these updates on these metal pieces yeah no that's interesting what you said about him you know how the pieces would have I mean that makes sense right would have not been right like they're not clearly noticeable in this day and age because they would have gone underground if you will but you know a lot of new information has come out

this year about Roswell if you remember Lou Elizondo in his book Eminet brought up like I forget what it like there was two craft two at Roswell one crash that we got but the other one got away right so that's kind of interesting right they found bodies. I mean, Roswell's like just such a crucial like probably the most famous UFO incident period in the world. Whatever you think about it. And the cover up behind it, there's so much lore. So yeah, look, I'm interested. Studies, tests, you know, Labrazola. I mean, I'm in. I don't know. I'm happy to take a look at anything. And it's like the further we get away from an event, the harder it becomes to find out the truth about it. Right. So every day that passes about. Roswell just makes it even harder, right, with some of these pieces and just a story behind it. So I think at this point, like, what's out there is that you're either going to believe it or not based on what's out.

I don't know if any really big piece could ever come out about Roswell that would convince anybody otherwise about it. But, you know, to me, it's one of the most fascinating cases ever just because of everything around it. Absolutely. It's like a linchpin of UFO lore at this point. It's crazy. Um, Christina, I know you got to get going shortly. Um, I'd love to cover one last story with you. If you have just a couple minutes, is that cool?

Yeah, I know. Actually, uh, I mentioned I can stay a little bit longer like another 30 minutes or so. Hopefully we can finish that in the time. I know, but, um, so let's continue. I'm not going to keep you guys here four hours, I promise. Um, or at 4 a.m. Right. Or at 4 a.m. Exactly. Exactly.

Um, cool. Cool. Well, then let's move to, uh, Red Rocks, Colorado. There was a huge sighting that took place in July on, or it was reported in July, excuse me. It happened in June, where an unnamed employee of Red Rock's amphitheater said they saw a large disc-shaped craft above the Red Rock's concert venue. The employee said the aircraft hovered silently and then disappeared into thin air. It was reported to the National UFO Reporting Center. And the witness said this about it. it, which is crazy. I was working at Red Rocks last night when one of our co-workers suddenly said to us, hey, what is that over there? It looks like a spaceship. I just spit everywhere. We all turned to look in the direction he was pointing, and sure enough, there was a UFO hovering about a half mile to a mile north of Red Rocks. A dozen of us saw this. We all kept asking each other, are you seeing this? It was a resounding yes from everyone. The employee said the sighting lasted about

30 seconds and described the UFO as having three levels of windows, almost like a really long three-story office built. They said that it tipped at an angle, began moving away, and then soon became non-visible. Not like it went cloaking mode or anything, but it just disappeared off into the distance. So yeah, this was reported. Apparently over a dozen, like, concert venue workers saw this thing, and it was reported to the National UFO Reporting Center. which I highly suggest anyone do if they see a UFO. So, yeah, what do you guys think about this one? Red Rocks Ampitheater, UFO, Citing.

I actually don't know much about this at all, to be honest with you. I remember the story, but I don't know any more than what you've just kind of laid out. I mean, yeah, that's fascinating, right? You know, I think what it, for me, it's, there's a lot of kind of similar stories, right, throughout the year that have happened, right? These sort of events that happened with maybe a video or a story around it and it kind of spreads around. And yeah, this is a good example of a lot of these types of things happening more and more,

essentially, right? So, yeah, I mean, it's, it's whatever came of it. Does anyone know, like, whatever came of this? Good question. I don't have any updates. I know, you know, they took down the report. I don't know if there were any followups to it. But like, so they were setting up, I believe.

or breaking down a concert. I don't remember which when this happened. So, like, the crowd was gone. I don't know how many people can be seated at Red Rocks and amphitheater. I have been there, but it's pretty big. It's massive. Could you imagine if this had happened when the entire crowd was there? We would have had a brand new, like, mass UFO sighting on our hands.

We missed it by, like, hours, if not maybe 24 hours. So, that's so frustrating to me. But, yeah, Christina, what did you? you making this? I am with Patrick on this one. I wasn't very familiar with this case. And like I feel, I feel even embarrassed to say that. But what I would mention is Colorado has had its fair share of UFO sightings. One of the more famous ones, which is going to kind of allude to what's happening in New Jersey these last few weeks of these mysterious drones. Colorado had a lot of these things take place in December of 2019, in January of 2020, where there was this mysterious

drone flap for several weeks. And it actually follows almost the exact same narrative that we are getting today from New Jersey, which is really interesting. But Colorado is not only a beautiful state, but it also has a lot of very strange UFO sightings that have taken place there over the years. Interesting. It's interesting that you mentioned. like the drone flap or whatnot is mirroring what's happening today. And apparently that's much more common than we think. Like drone incursions are happening all the time, everywhere. Yeah, just watch.

If you guys are interested, I would suggest watching the latest episode of That UFO podcast with Andy McGillan. He had Tim McMillan on from the debrief. And he said, guys, there were 600 drone incursions over military installations last year or something like that. Like, this is a lot more common than we think. Everyone's freaking out. I get it.

It's very alarming right now. I get it if you're in New Jersey. If you're in New York, if you're in the, I'm in the UK where a lot of this stuff was happening earlier last month. Yeah, yeah. It's a lot more common than we think, which is comforting in one way, but also pretty scary in another that this many incursions are happening and who's behind it. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. Let's move to October.

We had the national. UFO Historical Records Center, which opened in New Mexico and Rio Rancho, am I saying that? Yes, Rio Rancho, New Mexico. And it was the National UFO Historical Records Center founded by veteran UFO researcher David Marler. He opened this brand new public facility in cooperation with the Rio Rancho public schools. So literally, anyone can go. And this guy has all the files from Blue Book, all the files from. all the files from QFOS, the group that J. Allen Heineck founded.

What else? Everything from New Fork. You name the documents and files. They are now available for anyone to go view and come to this facility and like research stuff. So you could like rent out a desk at this, not even rent. You can go for free. It's all free. Donations are greatly appreciated.

David stresses. But like if you're a, UFO researcher and you're in or around New Mexico, you can go there and like read the original documents by like Project Blue Book and Project Saucer and all this stuff to do your, your research, which is so, so cool. So yeah, what are you guys sort of, I guess, peripheral thoughts on this one? I love this so much. Like, there's nothing that makes me happier than this particular event. Because when we're looking at David Marler, he was really emphasizing to, to get these archives out to the Rio Rancho public school system.

And I have a quote here from one of the articles. It states, Marler emphasizes that the goal is not to convince students that aliens are real far from it. Marler says the idea is to teach students how to use critical thinking to analyze UFO reports for inconsistencies and alternative explanations. Like, that is just the icing on the cake for me because I, I 100% agree with him. When we're looking at UFO cases, you need to know really the right way to analyze it. You've got to find those patterns. And there's a very specific way on how to read a lot of these reports because it's not going to be this beautiful written book for you of all these amazing details taking you on the ride. If anything, it's very dry.

So to have students learn this at a very young age to read these properly, it will benefit their critical thinking, which we have lost so much over the last few years, especially in public schools where we are taught of the answers are either A, B, C, or D, do not think outside of the box because you will be wrong. In this case for David Marler, he says, no, let them read this, let them get engaged, let them ask questions because that's going to make better humans for the future. And just to add to this is that in March, the Portland Community College is now offering a UFO class called from film to real life, UFOs, UAP, and government, and the media. media. And then even the University of Michigan has their own UFO course as well called

Scanning the Skies Teach Out, which is a two-week course. But this would have been unheard of 10 years ago, a university, a school talking about UFOs. That's so taboo. Here we are in 2024. And it's becoming just more publicly available, both in the sense of like information, but also in the sense of conversation. So I'm very. very excited to see how this is going to unfold, how the school system in New Mexico is going to, you know, look at this and how the kids are going to really address these topics in the future. But I'm very optimistic. I love this very much. It's awesome. And to keep in mind, too, that everything's going to be digitized as well, which is very important. Like, imagine the files that have been destroyed or have been lost to time because they were left in some dude's garage.

that had like a flood or something like that. Like I'm sure it's happened. I'm sure it's happened. So I think that's great. And UFOs in academia is, I think, like, that's my hope for 2025 to sort of fast forward. Like, I want to see these things taught in classes. And I think it's happening a lot more than we think. I mean, I'll humble, humble brag for a moment.

Both my books are actually being taught in two separate college courses right now in the United States. in completely different facets. One's like a religion class, I think, and the other is like a critical thinking and journalism class, actually. How exciting. So, yeah, like, I think that is the future of UFO studies. Academia will play a big role in that,

while science does its thing, while the government does its thing, while the military does its thing. Like, let's get it all together. So, Patrick, have you booked your ticket to Rio Rancho and are you going to go to the? the historical research center. I would love to go.

Are you kidding me? Yeah, this, it's, it's, I definitely can't be as eloquent as Christina was about this. That was just so well said. I, you know, yeah, I'm excited. This sounds great. Yeah, putting your hands on, that's all I could really think is like, you know, to go in and put your hands physically on things. Like, it just would give you a really different perspective.

You could be so disconnected from the research that you, do because it's online, it's digital, right? But to really come in, very, become intimate with the research in a lot of ways can really, I think, change a lot of how you may look at some of these documents, some of the stuff. I love, honestly, how great would it be to have one of these in like every major city or something like it? Yeah, I mean, it sounds great. Even though, again, okay, they're going to digitize everything.

That is really cool to hear, but to physically go into places, right? I'm old. I grew up that way. You had to physically go to things. You wanted to learn something. You actually went to the library. Like that's no joke. You really went there and you pulled books out.

Dewey Decimal System. Shout out. You know what I mean? You got to know, you'd look at microfilm, newspaper. You'd get books. Remember those? Remember actual books people?

You got books. They had pages in them. You'd read it. Like, it's a different feeling. How do you spell that, Patrick? Yeah. Books. Yeah.

Got it. Exactly. Write that down. Yeah, write that down. Write books down. Yeah, you know what I mean? This is exciting. Yeah, I think there should be more to it.

And I'd be curious to see how extensively it goes. And can people submit information to be in it? Does that make sense? Like, you know, how to update it with newer things that are coming in. Yeah, I, because some of this stuff will get lost in time. So I love it. Yeah, absolutely. Super supportive of this.

Yeah. Yeah, such a cool idea. Yeah, field trip. Field trip, guys. We're going to go. We're going to go for sure. I'll bring us next. Yes, please.

Please. I like peanut butter and jelly. Please. What? Yeah, come on. Field trip. No? I would never make that.

It's like putting, it's like the equivalent of putting ketchup on everything. No. That's fair. That's fair. Well, speaking of ketchup, that actually has nothing to do with our next story. That was the worst transition. I've ever had in the history of this show. Speaking of catch-up,

Immaculate Constellation. Let's go there, guys. This is another one of Patrick's favorites, one of my faves of this year. Ooh, man. Immaculate Constellation program exposed. I'll read a little bit here. Independent journalist and author Michael Schellenberger

published an article on his site public, alleging that a new, unnamed government whistleblower, has come forward. the whistleblower asserted that a highly classified program exists dedicated to UAP, including the potential recovery and reverse engineering of UAP technologies. However, in Schellenberger's article, the purported whistleblower went a step further, revealing the name of the highly secret Pentagon program, which is an unacknowledged special access program, they call it, a U.S.AP, and it's codenamed Immaculate Constellation.

Reportedly, this program involves investigating, recovering, and attempting to reverse engineer alien technology. So this happened in October, guys. So we are creeping ever so closer to the end of the year. On my end, I want to get some thoughts from you guys and some of the stuff I might have missed. But Immaculate Constellation, what did you think when you first heard about it and where do you stand on it now after it came up in the hearing in everything? Patrick, let's start with you, man. You brought this one to me as well. Immaculate Constellation, right?

Like, yeah, clearly it's still in the news, right? But this was reported by Michael Schellenberger, and there's been many things to come out about it. It was clearly a part of the hearing. I think some people wanted it to be a bigger part, right? You had the whole controversy with Jeremy Corbell and this additional 12th page. And then as far as who submitted it to Congress,

how many people actually knew about it, when did they get the information, how credible is the whistleblower who came out? out about this. Yeah, there's still so much to unpack about this. Just the document and the report itself. Forget the program, right? Like, but one thing that's kind of interesting,

look, there's a lot we could get into on this, but for time's sake, one thing that, an interesting detail that came out is that John Greenwald Jr., shout out Black Vault. Love that dude. He came out with some information about, he asked the NSA basically about this and they didn't either confirm nor deny it, which is interesting. So I think there's more to this than people think, even though the Pentagon has put out an official statement like, we don't know anything about this.

It's like, okay, well, you can't really, if it's that secretive, they're not just going to come out. Well, you asked me a question. Now I have to admit it. That's how I got thwarted. They asked me. And you know what I mean? Like that's clearly not. it. So of course they're going to be

denied, deny, deny. But yeah, I think this is still an ongoing thing and I look forward to see where it goes and what comes of it. Because it's fascinating. Again, regardless of what you think about it, it has it was a major bomb dropped in the UFO community.

It was, yeah. And we have yet to see the end of this story, right? In my opinion. Yes, absolutely, man. There's going to be some follow up. I know that for a fact. Christina, where do you stand on it? And do you think we're ever going to know who this whistleblower was? Or will we find out this was all a big hoax?

Something like the Majestic 12 documents or something like that? Or where do you stand on him? I almost said American constellation, immaculate constellation. It's better than immaculate conception, right? I didn't go there. I don't have any words for that. But when we first received information, of the Immaculate Constellation that was released by Michael Schellenberger from the public,

we received very little information. Then it came up again during the hearing that we got on November 13th where he became a guest, a panelist actually, to talk about the Immaculate Constellation. And to be honest with you, I was shocked that he was a panelist for this hearing. And it's believed by some that maybe he was taking the place of Christopher Mellon, who was supposed to be there. But then the rescheduling of the hearing didn't correlate with his travel schedule. So they had to put someone else in there. And obviously these congressmen picked someone that they believed had valuable information to provide. In this case, the immaculate constellation.

But during this, the hearing that took place, he didn't really give a lot of information that was like valuable. aside from, you know, if you want to know more about the Immaculate Constellation, you can read it for yourself and that I will protect the people that have spoken to me. I will protect these whistleblowers. I will even go to prison in order to protect that, which is very interesting. But the congressman, we're really trying to push Michael Schellenberger to release these names, to release if they are current or retired military officials and he wouldn't budge at all. So right now, it's said to say it's still in the category of hypothetical, of a possibility. We don't have any concrete information on anything that's being said in this report. It's a lot of very interesting things mentioned. But because we don't have a name or a face to attach to this, it's just a nicely written report. And it's like such a Debbie Downer to say, I think there's a lot more information to come in the near future for this report. But as of right now, I just, I look at it with a skeptical eye as we should with any of these reports or UFO sightings. Because if you're in the

category of full on belief and faith, you're down a rather muddy road. And same with the debunker side. You got to take that middle path, be skeptical, ask those questions, but also be open-minded. Exactly. I'm trying to keep an open mind on this. But, you know, I've on, not unfortunately, But I've been in this field long enough where I have been burned when it comes to these sort of things. And you find out they're either hoaxes or some sort of disinformation. So I always try to stay a little cautious, but also hopeful. So we'll see. We'll see what happens with all of that.

But you mentioned the hearing, Christina. I want to get to this with you guys. That was a great transition, by the way, Ryan. Thank you. And now I'm going to mess it up. Speaking of catch up again, November was the month of, hearings. I mean, we had a House hearing. We had a Senate hearing, almost back to back. It was insane. We had Arrow dropped their annual report. So much happened. So we had at the House hearing,

Lou Elizando, Michael Schellenberger, Tim Ghaladee, and Michael Gold, who testified at this thing. So I don't think I've spoken to either of you guys about what you thought of this hearing. A lot of people left being like, nah, wasn't for me. Definitely not mine, not my cup of tea. Not as good as the other one, the grush one. But what do you think? What did you think overall of the house hearing? Patrick, let's start with you, buddy.

Okay, yeah. There's a lot to say here, right? It's all about perspective, expectations. So it could be a very personal perception of how you think this hearing went down. right so but you know there's a lot of people were disappointed in the hearing clearly right some people depending on how you looked at it well it got the topic out right it got the topic out and that's great um but i will just say personally for me i hear everyone's thoughts and everything and that's great i think these hearings you know this is strictly my opinion but i think these

hearings are to activate congress the hearings are not for the public the public may see them but this is to activate Congress because this involves tax dollars, right? This wasn't a UFO conference. This was a hearing in our government, right, to activate Congress in a way that would make them investigate this topic more, invest funds in it, right? Spend money on it because those hearings cost money, right? So, and I felt that was a letdown. So really all I was looking at was what did Congress think about the hearing?

because great my neighbor Jim loved it okay cool but the only thing that really matters is what did congress think about it and they were not too happy with the hearing essentially nancy mace was really the only one that gave positive comments afterwards i mean you heard such things as look you know i don't really care what people are here to promote you know they couldn't answer questions uh but behind the scenes they're telling us things and then come the hearing i ask them about it and they say they can't say anything right so it's kind of like what's the point of these hearings and then you find out they're being told, you know, hey, don't ask certain questions. Like, who's holding back on these hearings?

Like, what's happening behind the scenes, you know? I actually think this is probably one of the biggest topics. I think the UFO community should be talking about more are these hearings and what happened and what's going to happen at the next ones. You know what I mean? Yeah. Really. The issue behind it.

So, yeah. I mean, as a whole, personally was I let down. Yeah, but does my opinion really matter? Not really. I mean, I don't know. Could you pull some good things out of it? Of course, right? We can always look at the silver lining.

For sure, man. Yeah. And, you know, Christine, I love your thoughts on this. We heard from George Knapp that like there were going to be some heavy hitters, not just Chris Mellon, but some actual like whistleblowers at this thing. And Congress said no.

Like, what is up with that? And then we got the four that we got. Again, nothing against those four gentlemen. They all brought something to the table in their own way. But a lot of people were like, this is not what I wanted. This is not what I expected. So yeah, what do you think? Like, why didn't we get the whistleblowers that we've been promised?

And why, if finally we were going to get them to testify, did Congress or whoever is above Congress? I can't pretend to know too much about the whole lawmaker thing. Why? Why would they say no to that? It was mentioned at the very beginning by Jared Mascovic that before they could even ask questions, they had to be revised. And he had mentioned this that you cannot ask certain questions to certain people. You can't ask certain questions altogether, which really shows this kind of men in black kind of theme behind the scenes, even for these congressmen that really care about this topic in the sense of like, where is the taxpayer dollars going? that's the stance that they were taking, which Patrick had mentioned. It's not about extraterrestrials. It's about money. And even so, Jared had stated that we still had to go through the sanitation process, which is very unnerving, if anything. That was one of the biggest takeaways from this hearing. The second biggest takeaway was what retired Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet had mentioned about Arrow. And when he had spoken to Arrow to get an understanding,

of what happened to him and his sightings and his emails. Arrow, according to Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, it was a Project Blue Book 2.0. They were trying to reassure him that what he saw, whatever his men saw, had a conventional explanation. And they didn't want to lean into the category of something unknown or unexplained. And so while there is this slight hope that Arrow might be transparent, they've never fallen through since their creation in 2022. And it seems like Gallaudet just added another nail to that coffin of how the way that I understood it of it being a modern day project blue book. Those were the two biggest takeaways for me about this hearing. That's really interesting. Well, that actually bleeds right into our final two stories of 24

that I'm going to speak through with you guys here is the Senate hearing, which took place between Kirsten Gillibrand and the Armed Services Committee and, uh, John Kozlowski, the new head of Arrow. What did you guys think? We did a live stream of it. We did like an hour debrief after. We left pretty happy with it, to be completely honest. I know a lot of people were not.

But I was just happy that the dude brought up some like actual anomalous cases, which the other person, who we shall not name, that ran Arrow before that, would never in a million years have done that. So that was cool to hear some of the cases that are still unsolved, that are highly anomalous, that this new Arrow director, with all his knowledge, as a physicist and a scientist, cannot explain either. That's a stunning admission by someone who's running a new UAP office in the, like, Pentagon. Yeah, Patrick, what did you make of the Senate hearing and where we lay with all of that? That's an interesting point that you brought up, Brian. Actually, I hadn't thought about that showing the cases.

And maybe Kirk Patrick would have done it. I mean, that's interesting. I didn't really look at that as a positive in that sense, not as a. as a not positive, but that's interesting. Yeah, of course, he brought up some stuff. He gave the explanations for it. And there is an admission of not everything is, you know, solved or resolved, as they might put it, right? Some of these cases.

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of one of those things of, I don't know, right? What impact will it have? Well, we won't know. We may never know. It ended awkwardly. It was, I'm surprised. They didn't bring up anything from the House hearing, Immaculate Constellation. Hey, just a week ago, you had XYZ say X, XYZ.

say XYZ. Hey, just a week ago, you had Rear Admiral Tim Galadette like Christina brought up, say this about you. you, what is your response to that? Hey, you just had former Intel official Luis Alizando State X, Y, Z. What is your comment on? None of that. I was like, what the heck?

I mean, were there, again, can we look at some positives? Sure. But yeah, in a way, I guess if I had, if I was the one doing that, I would have ran that completely differently. But with that said, I'm a nobody. You got Christian, there's a lot of things happening behind the scenes that I don't know, right? So clearly, who knows whatever reason? Does Gillibrand have to kind of tiptoe around this a little bit and, you know,

not trying to press too many buttons and too many crazy questions? Is there, you know, a time limit? They just didn't get to it, but they meant to ask it. I don't know. But I don't know. I mean, it didn't move the needle or this or that. But again, data is data. So, sure.

Well, and you bring up a good point, data. like this was kind of a, I guess a video version of the Arrow report that came out like the day before. Yeah. Or whatever. So like they, and we have to remember too. Jilla Brand is the one who started Arrow basically was like the advocate. That's her baby. Yeah, it's her baby.

So like she's not going to go in there and be like, this thing's shit. Like you guys suck. Like she's going to cheerlead for this thing and like show the relevance. Show why it's worth funding. funding, we still have no idea how much funding arrow is getting, that's a problem. I do take issue with that. And transparency versus funding, that's a whole other topic. But Christina, what did you make of the Senate UAP hearing?

And did it move the needle at all? I'm actually going to be on the pessimistic side in this one. I did not think it was a good hearing. I thought the questions were terrible. Kossloski's presentation on his UFO findings was five to six minutes long. It was too short, scarily short. I'm not even a word, but it's just a word now. And then also his mannerisms were so stiff.

He looked nervous. He didn't look confident at all with the man of his credentials being a director since August of this year. It didn't really add up. And then you end up finding out, right actually through Twitter, is that Susan Gough, the DOD spokesman was sitting right behind him. And somebody made sense like, oh, maybe that's why you look so nervous. Like what's going on? But overall, I thought it was a waste of time for a hearing. I didn't see anything worth mentioning coming out from it, except us meeting Kostlovsky for the very first time and him presenting himself in a very insecure way.

That's fair. That is totally fair. Yeah, we did kind of look at his body language and stuff afterwards, and he seemed very nervous. base. I think he kind of got a groove, but once he got going, she was like, okay, this thing's over. It was, oh, so, yeah, right. That was, I was trying to do the gavel thing, but it did look more like a Oh, yeah. But yeah. My, my guy was being babysat by Susan Goff during that thing. That was, oh, man, I, I don't know. But, all right, well, that kind of leads into guys, the last sort of thing I want to talk to you about something that Arrow says they're not going to investigate,

and that's all of the drone incursions. Maybe they will now, since it's getting completely out of control. All of us have covered this on our show. This brings us to, like, literally, today. I mean, these things are still happening in New Jersey, in New York, Staten Island, Connecticut, God, you name it, it's happening everywhere. And this comes on the heels of a huge incursion over in the UK of U.S. military bases. So let's go there. Let's go back into the drone zone. I did not want to do this,

but we have to. It's where we're at. So to kind of wrap things up here, guys, before we get to the hopes for next year, what do you making of everything? Who's are these? What is going on? The FBI just did something I saw in the chat, like some sort of thing just ended that they talked about this all. Does anyone have any information on any of this? May I go first? So I, I, I, I, You got to go after this one. You got to get out of here. No worries. Yes. Yes. Thank you. So I will make these answers short. So I'm looking at these drone incursions that that took place over New Jersey. It happened during Thanksgiving weekend. People are seeing these practically every single night. A week after these incursions were being seen, the governor of New Jersey finally spoke out a week later after the FBI

had already put their foot through the door doing their investigations. The governor mentions on Twitter of oh they're not a threat nothing to see here but if you have any you know if you want to report your citing reach out to the FBI and I just found his response very odd like he didn't care either he knows the answers or um he's just not allowed to show an interest in this I can't decide um but it's also been seen in the surrounding states now which is very interesting as well but it's following this narrative is following the exact same as the one in Colorado in January of 20. 20 of these are just drones, nothing to see here. These are explainable. This side and the other. But if these are explainable, how come we haven't received an answer yet? And why is the FBI getting

involved, right? Well, there are these ideas that they, the FBI is getting involved due to if they are violating any FAA regulations in the sense of like, are these drones going higher than 200 feet from the ground? Because if they go any lower, they can't spy through people's windows. which is an absolute threat. But currently, allegedly, these drones are not posing a threat according to the governor.

However, here's the takeaway from this, is that early last week, there was this medic helicopter that couldn't land to save a person's life because of these drones that wouldn't move. And we don't have any updates on if that person is okay,

but the helicopter was not able to get to its destination. to its landing pad because of these, quote, mysterious drones. Now, I do want to mention that in March, there has been public information about Project Meteor, which is a high-powered microwave weapon system being developed by the U.S. Navy, scheduled for testing on naval vessels in 2026. And they're going to be shooting laser beams to disable drones, which is going to be interesting to see why they aren't doing that now,

especially with all these very strange incursions. But this won't take place. publicly until 2026. But I'd like to see how they're going to implement that technology with these mysterious drones in the future. Interesting. Awesome. Well, Christina, I know you got a jet. Before we let you go, what are you looking forward to most in 2025 when it comes to UFOs? And where can we find everything you're up to? What I'm looking forward forward to the most in 2025 is to seeing how this story continues. continues to unfold how the government will address this. And I would really like to see this in the news every single day of people reporting their UFO sightings, people doing serious investigations.

That's what I want to see. And we've definitely seen that in 2024. So I've only set the bar higher for 2025. And then people can find me on YouTube under Christina Gomez. There is no H in Christina or on my website at UFONews.co, not dot com. It's dot co. And then, This way you can stay up to date on not only the articles that I write for everything that I research, but it's also a aggregate for all UFO news across all internet platforms. So to stay up to date on what's going on around the world, it was just launched. And it's very exciting to hear the feedback from you guys on what you guys think of the website. But Ryan Patrick, it was such a pleasure to do this end of the year wrap up for 2024.

Thank you so much for having me. And I've got to go from here. So thank you again. Thank you so much, Christina. Appreciate your insights. Thanks, Christina. Have a great night. Of course.

Bye, guys. Have a good day. Bye. And then there were two. All right, buddy. What were your thoughts or what are your thoughts since it's still happening with this crazy drone stuff? I know you covered it on the show this week. And where do you stand on all of this?

What is this? Aliens, military, civilians? What's going on? I mean, look, I definitely don't have the answers. I think it's, you know, alarming. just whatever it is. The only thing I do know is that it's alarming. It's happening a lot.

It's getting definitely more coverage. Yeah, want to get to the bottom of what the heck is going on. I mean, we do live in an age of drones. We also have to understand that, right? Like things are progressing in a way. It makes sense that our air, you know, our airspace is going to become this, you know, just like cars on the road. They had to start building roads and highways.

and paving things out and concrete, right, like creating a grid system for these cars, right? Like sort of the same thing. The skies are becoming more filled with prosaic things. But if you add in UAP and other things, yeah, it's going to get crazy. I don't know what's going on. Definitely something is going on, right? It's just like this topic.

I don't know what's going on, but something is going on. And yeah, you know, I hate to hear stories about people being affected in real world, you know, helicopter can't land. Someone's losing their life. Those are things I'm not, you know, that's scary to me if it starts to affect real life and disrupt. It's all about disruption, right? How much, how disruptive is it in society? So that worries me.

Yeah, I hope it gets the attention it needs to sum it up. Yeah, yeah, I'll be interested to hear how these hearings are going. They're happening right now as we're live. So that will be interesting. We'll see where these drones end up next. But you're right. We don't know. And apparently nobody knows.

which is both alarming, but also, like, I'm sure just like you, like, I'm so tired of seeing it, like, across social media and all that. But, hey, like, if it's going to get people talking about UAP, like, I guess that's, it's always that double-edged sword. It really is when it comes to all this. But I did not have, like, an invasion of drones across the world on my end of the year bingo card. So I don't know, man. It's crazy. Well, listen, I want to talk about some upcoming things in 2025 that are going to be taking place. But there was one more story.

We can maybe just go through it really quickly that you brought up. The Manhattan Alien Abduction. This is a series that came out on Netflix, and it was super controversial, basically because of the fallout from it, where the main focal point of this thing, a woman named Linda. Napolitano actually sued Netflix because of how she was portrayed in this series, which is actually happening a lot nowadays with these Netflix documentaries. Like, people left and right are starting to sue them for like sort of misrepresenting individuals and whatnot.

But yeah, let's rewind to that. This happened back in, gosh, it was the 80s when this woman was abducted out of her like 12th floor window of her Manhattan apartment up into a crab. left, went past the Brooklyn Bridge, disappeared. Apparently, there were a ton of witnesses. It was investigated by a famous alien abduction researcher named Bud Hopkins. And this series, well, I know all of this because I've known this case for a very long time, Patrick. But as, you know, someone sort of newer to the field, what did you make of this series? And what do you think of this whole story? Yeah, I mean, it's just a fascinating story. I thought it was a well-put-together documentary

I think, you know, only Linda can know if she felt misrepresented and wanted to sue, I mean, any other, anything else is an opinion by everyone, right, including myself. But I thought it was pretty fair, to be honest with you. I'd never heard her story. So I thought it was fascinating. And I enjoyed it. I recommend people check it out. But I don't know. If she's not happy, I get it.

That's her own personal journey to kind of try to fight back about. you know, against that a little bit. But yeah, I found it absolutely fascinating, to be honest with you, her entire journey, you know, her being abducted out and people seeing it. And I mean, that's nuts, right? A light coming down. I mean, well, what the hell? Yeah, I thought it was interesting.

Stories like this are what kind of keep me in this topic a little bit, to be honest with you, stories like, you know, just these real world experiences like this. So, yeah, I found it fascinating. And again, like, you couldn't ask for better. I guess media attention to like sue Netflix and like get it all in the news. So like there you go, guys. There you go. So here are some upcoming things that I thought we should mention before we wrap things up here.

We are going to in 2025, actually the end of this month, we're getting two new documentaries, one by filmmaker James Fox, which is called the program. Be on the lookout for that guy's December 18th, I think it's dropping. You might recognize some people in that one, just saying. And we have another one called Cosmosis, UFOs in a New Reality, which is going to be coming out at the end of this month. That's by Kelly Chase and J. Christopher King. And then we have another documentary coming out called the Alien Perspective

by filmmaker Dean Aliotto, who made what many consider the first found footage film in 1989 before the Blair Witch Project. It was called Alien Abduction about a family who gets abducted out of their rural home during the holidays and it's very unsettling. But yeah, probably one of the first found footage films out there. And he made a documentary and it's taken him like seven years. He's traveled all over the world. And yeah, so I'm really looking forward to those.

We have an upcoming book by Jay Stratton, former head of the UAP Task Force. So it will be interesting to see how it juxtaposes to Luis Alizondos' book, Imminent that came out, which was another one on your list here of things that happened this year. George Knapp is working on a new book, apparently. There might be a David Grush book or expose that still might come out next year. And yeah, that's really about it on my end, man. Am I missing anything? I mean, no, no, those are all great things.

I'm equally looking forward to, you know, all of those things, to be honest with you. Yeah, I'm with you. the programs just around the corner. I mean, a lot of these are, yeah, I'm looking forward to more things like this. There's a lot of independent efforts to put out, you know, you got Project Gravatar with Bob Lazar. Like, even if you don't agree or understand the start, like just these things coming out are good, in my opinion,

because it does create conversation. And that's what I think these books, documentaries are for, right? to at minimum just create conversation. So yeah, man, I'm looking forward to all of these things, to be honest with you. The program especially, if I'm being honest. That's a week away. Cool. Yeah, me too.

I'm excited. I think 2025, I think, is going to start strong. I really do think that. Yeah. Yeah. Last question for you, Patrick, before I let you go, man. So you've been doing the UFO show with Vetted for what? About a year now, maybe a little over a year?

Yeah, a little over a year. Okay. What's like the biggest thing you've learned in this past year of covering the UFO topic daily? I mean, you've had some run-ins with some interesting individuals, characters, people who we've come to find out may not be who they say they are. You've had some really powerful guests on your show. You've covered very touchy subjects when it comes to the UFO topic. You cover it all. So in all of that, where have you come out at the end of 2024 here?

And what have you learned about getting into this space, this whole UFO research community? Wow. That answer requires, you know, so much. That's a great question. Those are good questions, right? That it's not easy to give an answer to. But I'll do my best here right quickly to sum it up. But I've learned that just like life, there's good, you know, people in this community and bad people in that sense.

And I think at the, you know, just try to connect with the people you get along with and create the right atmosphere to be in this journey. Because everyone's journey is going to be different. But that's what I've learned the most, right? Vetted is about creating an open, respectful dialogue about this topic. because trying to give people the answers of what's in this topic is I feel where the error is. So I feel my responsibility is just to create an environment where people can come in and discuss however they're attacking this topic. Because it's such a profound question, which let's be real, then that should be allowed, you know, people should be a lot of their freedom on this journey. So, you know, for example, VETID is open to, you might be the most skeptical person about this.

but BEDD is also open to people who believe it entirely on so many levels. And I love it all. I love all the different opinions and perspectives and experiences. The key is be respectful and civil about having the conversation. From there, we can pretty much attack anything because this is an ongoing journey. It's basically like think of it as a road trip. And you need to get the right car for that road trip, right? One that can survive the drive.

It's comfortable. It's easy. And that's how I look at it. And that's really what I've learned in this topic. It has nothing to do with UFOs at the end of the day. You know what I mean? Because that's like what I learned is it's the community that we need to build to just discuss the topic as a whole. That's it.

Absolutely, man. I've always told people like, euphology is not necessarily about the UFOs. It's about the culture that sprung up around this ambiguous mystery. And for someone like me, like I gave up looking for the answers a long time ago. I chose to just live in the mystery and like enjoy it and know that there's things out there that are bigger than us that we may never know the truth to. I don't personally feel like we're ever going to get disclosure. I had a guy asked me today. Like when do you think the government's going to disclose this?

And I just said, dude, it's never going to happen. It's never going to happen. You see a UFO like that's disclosure for you. maybe you're into the paranormal. You see a ghost or like a big foot. Like that's disclosure for you in that world. So I think you're right. I think it's about every personal journey and just being like nice, civil,

understanding, listen. And yeah, man, that's what you do over there at VET. Like you end every episode being like, what do you guys think? And so many shows are not willing to do that. They either give you the answers or if you disenfranchise, or if you disagree with that answer, like the pitchforks come out, man.

I've seen it a million times. I've been a part of it. So, yeah, it's an interesting community, but when done right, when you can have civil discourse like we've had tonight and across all of our channels, I think that's where some of those answers may lay eventually. So it's been a really interesting year.

I'm so happy that I finally got to connect with you and learn. more about this topic through your daily videos, which again has been a godsend. We needed a channel like that in this field desperately. So I have to thank you first and foremost for that. But before we go, man, let us know where can we find everything that you do? And yeah, can you tease anything you got coming up over at Vetted? You know, just going to keep doing what I do.

Thank you for the kind words. Ryan, you know, back at you, my man. I know how hard you work at this. And like I said, at the beginning of the stream. and this field requires people to work hard. And a lot of that goes unnoticed. But I see it in other creators and what they're doing. The audience may not see the hard work that goes into it.

But I know how much hard work you put into it. And it is hard work to not just only stay motivated in this topic, but also be able to provide at least some help. Are you at least just helping along the way, you know, whatever your opinion is about it. So, yeah, man. You can find me at, I mean, people know how to use search engines, you know, vetted, look it up.

You know, come on, no, y'all. Don't need to, you know, hold your hand. I'm just kidding. You know, yeah, search vetted. You'll find us. We pop up. I do a daily video every day about it, you know, sometimes a live stream, sometimes an interview, but typically just reporting on the things that are happening.

I cover it all. Ask a lot of questions. Just try to look at it from a unique perspective and hope to continue to do that for 2025. And I love collaborating like this. This kind of stuff is really fun. The biggest motivating factor for me are the people watching, right? Because without it, we have nothing. We're talking to ourselves.

We're talking to the wall. Absolutely. I could not agree more. That's what I appreciate the most from this year is the audience that's around. The people that show up every day, they can be doing anything else. And they're showing up and supporting. And I love them the most. It's that simple.

It's awesome, man. So thank you for having me on. This was an awesome to do. My absolute pleasure, buddy. Yeah, we're nothing without the audience. So thank you guys. Thank you for joining us tonight. Patrick, I'll let you go, buddy, because I kept you far too long.

I'm going to do a little debrief with the audience here, but I want to wish you a happy holiday, happy new year. And I can't wait to see what you do next, my name. All right, guys, yes, happy new year to y'all as well and to your audience. Thank you, Vettors. All right, y'all. We'll see you later. Peace. Ah, he did it.

I love it. He ends every show like that. I was hoping he'd do that. Thank you for now. me down Patrick. Guys, this was incredible. It far exceeded my expectations. You know, I always, Suzanne knows this.

I always have like 50 pages of notes. I get so in my head about these things. Then I'm like, I've got Patrick. I've got Christina on the show. I've got Suzanne. Like, we're gonna do fine. I hope you guys enjoyed this. It was a hell over here.

Always is when it comes to this topic. And Suzanne reminded me that we did a poll over on YouTube. I always forget. I always forget. So let's go over there and see what you guys said. During our poll, I asked, how would you rate 2024 when it comes to UFOs? Out of 178 votes, 17% said disclosure rific, baby. 47% said it was okay.

23% said underwhelmed their best. And 13% said, what a joke. So there you go, guys. Looks like most of you thought it was just okay, which I would have to agree. It was a mid, mid-tier year when it comes to UFOs. But we ended with a bang. We got two UFO hearings. We got the biggest drone invasion in history.

And yeah, some good stuff happened this year. Some bad stuff happened this year. Welcome to Uphology. The good, the bad, the cosmic. So it is what it is. we move on, we move up, we look for answers in 2025. I hope you enjoyed this one. Kind of a way to bring us all together at the end of the year

with our awesome co-hosts, Christina and Patrick and Suzanne, and just reflect on everything that's happened. So I hope you enjoyed this. I want to thank all the Vettors for joining us tonight. I want to thank Christina's viewers as well. Thank you for hopping over, giving us a chance here over at Somewhere in the Sky. I hope you enjoyed what you saw,

and I would gladly have both of them back on any time to talk UFOs. So thank you. Thank you. We're building this community one channel at a time, and I absolutely love it. So again, my special thanks to Patrick, to Christina, to all our viewers and everyone who watched tonight, drink, eat, be merry, have a happy holiday. And I will leave you with our mantra as always.

Keep your feet on the ground, but never stop searching somewhere. the Sky's podcast is part of the Lionsgate sound network please take a moment to rate and review the show on apple podcasts spotify or wherever possible thank you for listening