Somewhere in the Skies - UFOs Gone Mainstream with Chrissy Newton

Episode Date: April 26, 2021

On episode 210 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we are joined by podcast host, public relations wiz, and producer/director of media at The Debrief, Chrissy Newton. Newton details the dramatic UFO encounter her father had that first got her interested in the subject, how the once fringe topic of UFOs is going mainstream, and what comes next for her Debrief media YouTube series, Rebelliously Curious. Newton then answers listener questions. Listen to the Alt.Pop.Repeat podcast at: www.altpoprepeat.com Follow Chrissy Newton on Twitter at: @MissVOCAB Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com Somewhere in the Skies Subreddit: www.reddit.com/r/SomewhereSkiesPod/ YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan’s book in papaerback, ebook, or audiobook by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Episode edited by Jane Palomera Moore Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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But that's not all she's known for. She hosts a very popular podcast in Canada. And she also does a lot of work in the UFO field as well. So I'm not going to waste any more time. We're going to talk about everything she's up to in and out of the UFO world. So with me today on Summer in the Skies is Chrissy Newton. Chrissy, thank you so much for joining me today for the first time. I can't believe I'm saying that.

I know. I'm so excited. I love your podcast. So when you asked me, I was thrilled to be part of this. Oh, thank you. There's so much we could talk about. And I know we have limited time. So I'm just going to cut to the chase.

Origin story. You know, every comic book has one, how the person became who they were. So I know you've answered this in the past in other interviews. But I would love to hear how you first got interested in UFOs. What brought you into this crazy world that we're in? My dad. my dad got me into UFOs when I was probably like six or seven. Like I always say six,

but I'm not 100% sure. So I would say when I was at least six years old, he showed me this photo of a UFO that he ended up seeing. When he was in, I think his early 20s, he was driving up north with a group of friends to this cottage that they were going to. And they all pulled over the side of the road. There was a whole bunch of different cars pulled over as well.

And they ended up seeing this light that's like hovering above the sky and or above like, it was like a telephone pole actually, which is kind of funny. It was pretty high up, but it was still pretty close to them. And they ended up like taking it. My dad ended up taking a picture of it. And the guys ended up, some of them were hunting. So they ended up taking a gun out that had a scope on it, not to shoot the UFO, but to get a better, like, idea of what it looked like.

So they put the, the rifle. up to it and looked through the scope and then the UFO took down, took off down the street and that, or down the road, I guess you would say. And then a whole bunch of people saw it. The news reported it. It was a mass sighting. And ever since that, my dad took that photo and showed me as a kid, like it, it just, it lit up everything inside of me. And it was really just something that started that journey along with him trying to figure out what he saw. And then his journey became part of my journey too, which is really cool. That is cool. So what did he, did he have any ideas or impressions about what it was or what he saw? I mean, did he immediately say this was little green men or what,

yeah, what did he tell you? Well, I don't, he was like it's a UFO. That's what he said. Like it for no matter what, 100 percent, it was a UFO to him. And that's it. Like he didn't think, he didn't think it was aliens at that time. I don't think, I think that a lot of them were confused because he saw it with a group of friends too. So they talked about it. And ever since then, my dad never talked about it with a lot of other people because of the ridicule. So we would talk about UFOs, him and I, when I would grow up and even now.

But when we were younger, he would say, or when I was younger, he would say, don't talk about it because, you know, people think you're crazy. People think you're, you know, you're nuts and you're a loony tune, you know, and that was part of it. So now it's a little bit different. Like he's more open with it now and talks about it. I don't know how much he talks about it. experience, but he talks about just loving UFOs and being into it. And he's proud of it. That's for

sure. And my dad consumes so much information on UFOs. And now it's funny because as he gets older, you know, when I was younger, he was teaching me. And now as I get older, I'm teaching him. So I'll call him. And I'm like, did you hear like what, like, what John Rock Club said or this and that? And for him, he was like, he's like, what? I haven't heard that. Or so it's really nice to be to have that kind of relationship with him where I still get to talk about it and now I get to update him and what's going on. That's so cool. You know, the apprentice has become the master, right? You kind of turn the tables on him there. That's so cool. And I know what you mean. I feel like, you know, there's vindication now in the world with so many people who have been afraid

to come forward about seeing UFOs or being interested in them. Like you didn't do it for so many years. like I kept quiet about having seen a UFO. I wasn't like, you know, making it known to the world that I was researching this. I was writing essays to myself about like Roswell and Area 51 and stuff like that and not thinking that I would ever share it with the world. But lo and behold, you know, now we're in 2021 and UFOs have never been more in the mainstream, which is something we're definitely going to discuss in a little bit here. But speaking of Area 51, I heard you in an interview say that one of your first UFO conferences was one that Bob Lazar spoke at. And I flipped out because I knew which one you were talking about. And I was actually the person who put the microphone on Bob Lazar that day backstage. I was so nervous.

I couldn't believe I was looking at this guy, no matter what you think of him, like, if you believe him or not, if you think he's a total fraud or he did what he said he did with these flying saucers. But yeah, tell us a little about your experiences with these UFO conferences. I think people have a lot of preconceived notions about it. Totally. So the first conference I ever went to, you know, again, I took my dad. And I was like, these are our people, dad. He started laughing.

So I'm like, it was just a place where, you know, people are walking around in tinfoil hats and doing that stuff. It was, it was a place where we could learn. You could ask questions. You could buy books, you know, independent books, books that have been, you know, outside of being independently published. And it was a place of community where I felt like I, I was able to talk about UFOs on a different level compared to talking about the same stuff all the time or explaining it to other people. Like, it was a place I got to learn. And the conference is just unbelievable. Like, there's so many people that go from all

different ages. And it's just, it was one of the best things I think I ever found with my father and I and just our family that went. So, you know, I'll keep going to them more and more. I only go right now to the Arizona one, which is the Congress one, the UFO Congress. But I will go to contact in the desert and the rest of them because I've met so many people in the community. And it's a way that I want to meet other people that are part of it. And also then just learn other academics, maybe that haven't been to the conference that I go to. So, yeah, it's, honestly, it's a really great community. It is. It is. It is. I know, you know, for as much flack as we give the UFO community at times about, you know, how passionate people are and how either hardcore believer they are in all this stuff or extreme skeptic.

I think what someone like you or me or the debrief or people like that do is we meet somewhere in the middle, which I think is so important. And I know that's kind of what you guys were doing with your podcast, alt-pop repeat. So could you tell me all about how that came to be? And I guess ultimately how it kind of infused your UFO work as well. Yeah, that was actually a start of it as well. It kind of went together as one. So what happened was Marie Nicola is a good friend of mine and she's also my co-host on the podcast. She's an amazing co-host. The one thing I love about Marie is that we don't always agree on stuff, but we're able to discuss. and find a common ground. And we also teach each other different things on the show. So All Pop started where Marie and I both, I said to her, I'm like, do you want to do a podcast? And I've been wanting to do a podcast for a really long time.

Like it's been in my peripheral to do it and been in my head. So she said, yeah, let's do it. And she came to my place with like a pad of paper. And we came up with this concept of Al Pop repeat where we talk about how countercultures and alternative cultures become or we use a word called sync. into mainstream pop culture. So how does something like the cannabis movement or LGBT rights or drag, how do these countercultures become mainstream pop culture? So her and I, you know, started this road. And she said to me, she was like, do you want to go to L.A. to do our first interview? I'm based in

Toronto. And I said, yeah, let's do it. So we like jumped on a plane. We flew to L.A. You know, we found people that we knew like George Strombo, which is a really well-known talk show host and former talk show host in Canada. So he was one of our first interview. And then I said to her, I was like, euphology, like I obviously loved euphology. I'm like, it's an amazing counterculture. I said, I met Jeremy Corbell at a conference, obviously,

with Bob Lazar years ago. So I said, let's see if Jerry wants to do an interview. So I pitched Jeremy to be on the show. And we totally, I totally forgot I had a cell phone number because I met him that time and we exchanged contact information. And we totally forgot. So he liked the concept, said he would be on the show. And then I met him.

Jeremy in person and built like started a relationship as a friendship with him. And then, you know, we ended up talking a lot about UFOs. And I just, it was a, it was one of the perfect times where, you know, and else, I should say, Marie actually said to me, she's like, you know so much about UFOs, Chrissy. Like I never knew that about you. And I said, well, yeah. Like it's like something that I research and, and talk about with my parents and my dad and like, and some friends that like it. And people know that I'm part of like like euphology. Um, but I don't always talk. about it with everyone that I know and I'm not always that vocal with it. So that was really the start where after the podcast, it put me into like this space where I was like, you know what,

maybe I should talk more about this and I enjoy it so much more and I love the community. And then a good friend of mine, Victor Vigiani, asked me part of a UFO podcast called the New Frontier Network. And I said, yeah, I'd love to be. And so it just started to trickle down that way. And, you know, And it was a time where I was able then to be able to talk about UFOs in a public relations point of view because that's what I do every day. So for years, I would have Victor Vigiani and all these other people in the UFO community would ask me, like, can you be a publicist for like UFO topics or things like this within the mainstream media? How do we get to the mainstream media, Chrissy? And I would say, well, you know, I love my job. I have to be careful because mainstream media, you know, years ago was not picking it up.

So slowly as things started to come to be, you know, the mainstream media started talking about it. It was a perfect time when I started being on a podcast, a UFO podcast. And then I was helping other people within the community and really being able to use my public relation skills in combination with euphology of stuff that I like. So it was, you know, it's a good timing, I guess, part of that. Right. And yeah. And that's where we meet with the debrief. Right.

You're right. I should have mentioned, yeah, that's kind of what led you to the debrief as well. Well, I guess let's rewind just a little bit because you bring up so many good points, especially with kind of seeing uphology as a brand. Like, it's important in, you know, marketing, again, something that you do to have people like that in the field, I think is exciting because we're so used to being a subculture where we talk to one another in these echo chambers on UFO Twitter or, you know, the days of AOL forums with like, you know, UFO's conspiracies. But it has changed and UFOs have seemingly gone mainstream. So I'd like to get your opinion. When do you think that happened? What was like the

turning point where it was like, wow, New York Times? I mean, look at this week, CNN, Fox, it doesn't matter which mainstream media outlet you follow or watch, there were UFO stories all this past couple weeks. So when do you think that point truly was when UFO started to really go mainstream? Yeah, I think there's a lot of catalyst moments that really push it into mainstream. You know, Bob Lazar's conversation started in the early 80s helped it, but it didn't, it didn't tip it over. And there's been tons of times where UFOs have been in the mainstream. like, you know, Life magazine when we talk about Betty and Barney Hill. Like there's so many different moments, but the most, I think that pushed it into popular

culture recently and had the masses really start to understand what uphology means and that in taking UFO seriously, I would say for sure is in New York Times, you know, 2017, I believe, you know, Leslie Keene, you know, Ralph Flumenthal, like all of those journalists that are pushing towards having euphology and the understanding and getting obviously the Pentagon to even speak about it. You know, those are real catalyst moments that pushed it in. And then I would say on even after that is Joe Rogan and then the meme that came out, you know, Storm Area 51, right area 51.

So those are really the times that, you know, I think you had over five million people wanting to raid Area 51 and knowing about what Area 51 is, right? which is like at that point was not a conversation anymore. And so, and which I find even more interesting is that you're getting this younger generation that's actually understanding what's happened. So it's like a totally other resurgence of, you know, of euphology, of Bob Lazar story and what's actually happening.

And then people asking more questions because you're also getting this other young Jed Z audience that's going, hold on. What is this? Like, euphology, like UFOs? Like I thought that was just jokes that I didn't think it was real. Like this is. And so they're learning a lot more.

And you're also opening up the conversation to people that didn't even know what Area 51 was or any conversation about UFO. So that was really, I think, one of those important times that it happened. And Joe Rogan is a huge voice for that. And he still is. He's a very important voice to push it for pop culture. So a lot of people follow him, you know. And what he says, you know, he doesn't mean that he has all the right information. And that's the time where people.

like myself or other people that are in the community that have that ability to be able, I'm not good friends with Joe, they shouldn't be saying that, but in context of being able to push different conversations of all different journalists, all different experts to the proper media so that they can get the proper information and ask really credible resources and really incredible investigative journalists for information. That is, I would say that's actually. and also something that's trustworthy.

Right. And we know for a fact that things like the Pentagon, UFO task force that's going on right here in the United States, we know that they're actually turning to the UFO community for information, which is crazy to me. You know, people like Luis Alizondo, the former head of ATIP telling us, you probably are noticing a lot of new. Twitter accounts in the whole UFO Twitter sphere. I don't think these are just like trolls or bots. These are people in the intelligence community keeping the tabs on the latest information because you look at something like these leaked reports that the debrief obtained or these photos that George Knapp got.

These are coming from the task force. This is what they're looking at. And they have no idea what these things are. But when they're out in the public, in the UFO community, full of very passionate people, either thinking it's aliens or thinking it's just a camera effect in these photos or these videos or maybe their balloons, it's possible. And the people outside of the government might actually have more information than the actual government, which I think is amazing. So I hope to see more transparency and working together in this field,

especially as it becomes more popular, which we both see happening, right? Yeah, and I agree. I want more people to work together because I think that we're all kind of going towards, maybe all maybe different goals, but I think there is, you know, this transparency that we want and disclosure that we want from the government. And we want an answer. So people might be doing it in different ways, but we're all kind of going down that road of wanting more information,

information, wanting truth, and want to see transparency. So I think the more that we work together, we'll probably get us in a proper direction and also put a lot more heat under those people that obviously have a lot more information that they can release and tell us. And the more heat that we have underneath that and put a fire under their butt, then we're probably going to get, we're probably going to hopefully get what we want. Yeah. I mean, that seems to be what it's taking for the Department of Defense to

acknowledge those three Navy UFO videos that we've been looking at, for God, almost four years now, for them to officially acknowledge them, we had to back them into a corner and say, yo, 20 Navy officers said they saw this. One of them said he filmed it. One said that he chased this thing. Like, just tell us, is this real? And then finally they did because they were forced to. So I think you're right. Things like these movements with, you know, the big phone home happening with Luis Jimenez over at the Unidentified Celebrity Review, or you've got the scientific coalition for UAP studies, petitioning Congress, and saying,

here's 50 PhDs who want to help you, try to figure out these things you're looking at in these videos and whatnot. Like, let us help you, which I think is so cool. Yeah, I agree. And I also think that over time, the masses are going to even become more part of this. you know, as more people start learning and the louder people's voices are and the more that they're amplified in mainstream media on social media, getting other people like Lou Elizondo,

that's accrediting other people that have great information, more people that are becoming, you know, accredited journalists, more people that are talking about it, will get the average person asking questions. And we want them to ask those questions so that they start to put then heat, right? And then once you start getting that effect, there's no way, that the American governor or anyone else can say, can deny that because you have too many people pushing towards a movement that want the truth. And so I really see that happening more. You know, I'm really hopeful in the next five to 10 years. We're going to have way more people part of this and more, way more people pushing for the truth. And that makes me excited. And it's a really exciting

time to be alive and also be part of something like this because we're seeing history right now, which I think is unbelievable with everything that we're doing. And one day people will read about this, you know, maybe 50 years from now, 100 years from now. And, you know, and they'll be like, these are people that pushed for the truth and people that started it. You know, I have a good friend of mine, Victor Vigiani, you know, he's an amazing euthologist. He's somebody that's always generally pretty quiet and behind the scenes, but he helps all the rest of the journalists and all the other investigators really come to, you know, finding information or asking questions. And he's a mentor of mine in Canada.

And, you know, I love Victor to death because the one thing about him is that he's been pushing for disclosure his entire life. And I remember when in 2017, I was on a vacation in Mexico. And he sent me a text. And I've told the story a couple times, sent me a text when the mainstream media picked it up in the New York Times. And he was like, Chrissy. He's like, are you seeing this?

and I was like, I'm on a beach on a vacation finally in Mexico. And he's like, look at your phone. Like, look at social media. And I was like scanning through my phone. And I'm like, oh, like, I was just like blown away. And for him and watching how happy he was and all these other people that have been fighting for their entire lives say like we did it. Like we actually got through. And he's one of those people.

Like I would be on emails with Victor and him emailing. you know, all different media outlets and writing press releases. And, you know, he was like one of the first PR people, I would say, in euphology. Because, and he was doing it for free because he, I obviously do not, not making most of money off this. Obviously, I don't know what he does. Right. Exactly.

And just so people know that. But it's like for him, it was just a love. You know, so he was writing press releases. He was pitching media outlets. He would copy me on stuff. And it was just, and seeing that him being able to watching our community get through was something that I was so proud for him and for everybody else because that was the start of now that's something that's probably going to change the way we look at UFOs and the

mainstream media and everybody does in the next coming years, which I think is really wonderful. Yeah. It's cool. And you're right. I think I look at someone like, again, my mentor, Peter Robbins here in the United States, It's a very well-known UFO researcher. Or you look at someone like Stanton Friedman who fought for disclosure his entire 55-year career in, like,

uphology, if you want to call it a career. I guess he kind of did. But, you know, on someone like him, it's so unfortunate that, like, he passed away, you know, not too long before that big news story struck. Could you imagine, like, what that would have meant to someone like him? Yeah. But, hey, you know, that's what happens.

I guess younger people, which I'm no spring chicken, but we are considered younger people in this field, for them to have that kind of validation of like, this has been worth it, we're making strides. That's so cool, you know, that they get to see that. And then we get to build off of everything they've done. And like you said, bring it to the younger generation. I mean, the work I do with the CW network is for a very young demographic. who's never heard of Area 51, who's never heard of the Roswell UFO crash.

So when I first got approached about doing a show like that, I was very hesitant. I'm like, why? Why are you covering Area 51? Why are you covering Roswell? And all they had to do is show me the demographic of their network. And I was like, I get it. Cool.

So we're educating a new generation to show them what came before so that they have knowledge of what could be coming next. And like you said, the younger generation is so internet savvy. I mean, you look at TikTok right now, and it's just blown up with UFO stuff. Even my parents are sending me TikToks. My parents, who I didn't think would ever get past Facebook, are sending me TikToks of UFO stuff. So I think it's interesting.

It's so weird. I never thought I would see this day. Yeah. And I'm excited for the younger generation. It makes me really happy. Like, we are part of that. And then there's younger, too. And a lot of other eophologists have said to me, like, we're.

we need to leave our information, our knowledge with people that are younger than us. So then we keep going forward in fighting for disclosure or remember what they were fighting for and the information they have. So we don't forget. And or other information gets like it's not disseminated properly to us or we're told another story and we start believing a different narrative. So for me, it's, it's important too to have this. And also like, you know, the podcast that I'm on with the guys.

and I'm the youngest on the podcast, you know, I'm just joking. I'm like, the youngest, but it's great because when they asked me and I was like, I love to be because I learned so much from them. That's the other thing. I have a different, maybe a younger or different perspective from them as well. And that's why they brought me on was for a pop culture news, mainstream perspective of uphology. But for them, they have this information that when we get together once a week and we have a

meeting, I get to nerd out with them and we just talk every Thursday at noon and have a meeting. And it's really awesome because then I learn a crap load from them. And I can ask questions. And the nice thing is I can make mistakes. And I can say like, oh, I didn't know that. Like it's not, you know, and then they'll end up giving me information. We send, you know, tons of emails to each other before we're doing interviews with guests. Like it's a really, really great. Obviously, like the UFO community is so lovely to be in. But with them as well as researchers and people that were investigating, I see it through their eyes. And then I learned, I learned their point of view, all of their point of views, because there's a couple of us on this podcast.

And then worldly point of views, because someone's from Peru. We have somebody from South Africa. We have somebody from the States. We have somebody from two of us from Canada. Like, we're from all over the place. So I get to hear their perspective from another country, which is really cool too. So yeah, I'm just really fortunate to be part of it. Victor was the one that created this podcast and came up with the idea. Yeah, what I think is really cool with, you know, what you're doing and Victor and everyone over there at New Frontiers is making this global, which I think gets lost in the mix a lot. You know, it seems to be the United States, again, is trying to just be the example for

everyone else about the right way to do things. But, hey, look, our government has been pretty cagey when it comes to UFOs where other nations and countries have been extremely open and transparent with their citizens. So, yeah, I think it's really cool that you have someone, you kind of have like a United Nations of Euphologists over there. Would you mind sharing some of the names of the people involved with that, Chrissy? Yeah, like Georgios in it. Georgia has been really well known.

Christopher Iverson, that's part of it, Victor Vigiani. Like, they're just, they're just men that are really, really well, well spoken. you know, they've been researching on their own for years or working with other people in the community. They're also friends with tons of other people in the community as well, like around the world. And I find that really interesting. Like they brought me into other meetings with people that, I think there was like 10 people in a meeting once talking about euphology. And they were from like France, Germany. Like they were everywhere.

And I just said to them, I was like, this is the most universal global meeting. I've ever been part of. Yeah. And I think that for them, you know, it's, it's important. They do that. And for men that have been doing this their entire lives, they've really created a wonderful network of people that, you know, that they brought me into and I got to meet and become friends with as well,

but also then rely on each other as resources to get great information. And I think that that's the part that's really important is that they get to share ideas and they're all looking at, you know, obviously wanting disclosure and wanting, again, I keep saying wanting the truth. And they're talking to each other around the world to have their governments come forward and talk about it. So it's really cool. Yeah. Again, I think when other nations put that pressure on, and they are more vocal and open to it, then hopefully the United States will follow soon. You know, that's what we can hope for. But I have hope. I have hope. I have hope. know, that's, but that's the word that I want to ask you about, CERC, hope.

We have this report that's due, I believe, June 25th here in the United States, where we're supposed to get what the Pentagon has been looking at when it comes to UAP, UFOs. And a lot of people are super excited and they think this is it, this is disclosure, we're getting what we've always wanted. And then there's those of us who are a bit more tempered and then even probably a smaller fraction who are like, this is stupid. Nothing's going to happen. We've seen this before. So where do you lay in this whole 180 day report of grand disclosure that's going to happen in June? I'm on the side of. I don't think we're going to get a lot. I just, I don't. It would be surprising if the

government decided to go, here is, you know, here's everything or here's a like I just, we've never really seen it before. So I'm, I'm hopeful that maybe they'll, they'll tell us more information, but I, I'm really not waiting for this, you know, this grand disclosure moment. I just don't think it's going to happen. You know, even from other files that we've seen that have been released, it's not like it's always new information. Like, it's a lot of information that the community has been researching and looking up and then they've just kind of, it's been confirmed. So I just, I'm not saying that I'm trying to be negative. I just don't feel that we're going to get what we want as a community.

Yeah. Prepare for their worst and I hope for the best, right? Right. And I think that we're probably going to over, we're going to have to keep fighting for more and more information. And even this is just to start. So this just happening is really great. And I'm thankful that that's happened.

And then we'll see how next year is and we'll keep fighting and we'll keep fighting for more information and more. disclosure. And I think that at some point we'll start getting things that we want, but I have a feeling it will be spoon fed to us. I don't think it's going to be this. I'm not holding my breath. Yep. I think that's really all we can do at this point. And it'll probably be delayed as most things in government are. So I'm prepared for that as well. What's up guys, Ryan Sprag here. And I'm just dropping in to remind you about our Patreon campaign. Somewhere in the Skies is always free to consume.

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So if you'd like to learn more and to help support the show, visit patreon.com slash somewhere skies. Thank you and keep looking up. There's such a, there's a big gap, I think, in UFO research or the UFO community of cool. We've got this government thing. We've got things like the New Frontier Network working globally to try to help, I guess,

guide along those sorts of things. But then we have this whole other part of UFO lore and UFO discussion that's, I'm just going to say it. It's sensational. Let's go with that. Whether it is contacting ETs, the CE5 movement,

alien abductions, close encounters. These are cool stories, and don't get me wrong, I'm all about them because I love stories. But there is a big gap between what's going on right now in the mainstream with UFOs.

and another large portion of this topic. So do you think there's a place for it in this mainstream discussion as we move forward when it comes to alien abductions, you know, using your mind and consciousness and yoga and all this stuff to try to vectoring UFOs or talk to aliens? Like, where do you lie in all that? That is a great question because I think a lot of people wonder that and we listen to all these different narratives. that are coming out. I sit on the side where I would like science and academia to work alongside euphology, you know, an euphologist and start proving it through science and academia. The reason why I say that is the people that aren't interested in UFOs or don't believe will start to look into it and have a better understanding because it's talking to them through a narrative they understand.

So I do feel that that's really, really important. And I think we have to keep asking scientists and giving them the ability to look at this and do it in a way that is approachable for them. You know, we don't put so much pressure. We can't ridicule scientists for thinking something that maybe we don't agree with because we've been doing it for so long in the industry. So I think we need to make space for them and room for them to collaborate. But I also think that at some point when we look at the abduction stories and the cases, you know, we have Travis Walton, we have Betty and Barney Hill. We have a lot of contactee, you know, Zimbabwe, the aerial school event. Like there's there's a lot of different conversations around that. And I really do believe, though, that the government or somebody or us have to start having a larger conversation at at one point in. time. Maybe right now is not that point in time, but I think we do need to discuss because there's

been a lot of, we can't ignore that there have been abductions or different types of contactees moments and experiences where UFOs have been involved. So us just ignoring that and pushing it away is, I don't feel is the right thing to do. I think we really need to have that conversation at one point of time and it does need to be brought up because as disclosure keeps happening, you can't just say, well, forget these people and what they're doing because for them, we don't know what's really going on, but for them it's real. And we need to give space to that and open up for them to be able to have a place to talk about it without being ridiculed and looked at it in a different light at some point in time. I don't know exactly how I personally feel because I've never had one of those moments, but I could imagine

being that person that's had an experience and having no one to connect to or no one to talk to. And so for them, it's real. And that's what's important. And there has to be a space for them to be able to talk about it. And then when we come to a better consensus of what's going on, maybe we'll be able to understand, improve that through academia a little bit better. So I think at some point we'll get there. We're just not, I don't think we're there yet. But maybe one day we will be.

Yeah. That's such a good point. I think we need to, we always should look at disclosure as a process. And, you know, it's not going to be this huge thing dropped in our lap immediately. And then, like, that's it. Like, this is a big thing. This is probably the biggest question we've ever asked in our lives other than, you know, what happens when we die.

Is there life out there? Leslie Keaton is trying to figure that out right now with Bigelow. Right, which is crazy because, again, These two are tackling two of life's biggest mysteries. So I respect them highly for doing that. And they both think that they might be interconnected, which I think is another big part of what you said, this process of we're not quite there yet.

Like there's a lot of work that still needs to be done. We're lucky to have people like Reiswan Verk or DePrasad, these individuals who look at things like quantum mechanics and how this could play a role in all of this someday. But again, like, that's so 20, 30, 40, 100 years down the line that we're focusing right now still on grainy UFO videos from the Navy. Like, that's the best we got. So we got to work with what we have. That's where we're at.

And some people might think that's good. I don't know. But, yeah, I think you're right. You know, it's going to take time. And like you said, too, these abduction stories and close encounters, there is a place for them. I mean, clearly, that's what my books have been about. I clearly think there is something to it. And I've always been asked, you know, do you believe all these people that you write about

that they were abducted in everything? And I try to tell them, it doesn't matter what I believe. Like, I'm just getting their story out there because nobody else will listen to them and no one else will take them seriously. So I at least want to give them that outlet. Yeah. Yeah, for them it's real. I agree with that.

there's nothing wrong from telling a story from a different perspective. And you don't have to believe or believe, but it is, it's this form of journalism where you're telling people because these stories are real to them. And there's been a lot of them. It's not like it's just, you know, there's just, this is the one story that's been told, that's a tale that's been told over centuries. It's not like that. It's happened multiple times.

So we need to give space to it. And one day, you know, science and academia might prove and might have a reason for what's actually happening. The other part too is that the beautiful thing about the UFO community is that right now and with the government, we're looking at something that most people call paranormal. And it's a paranormal event, right? It's this phenomena. So now this paranormal is actually having more of a mainstream conversation and the government's having it, which is like even more of a bigger conversation. So we're opening the door that maybe in the next X amount of years, these other paranormal paranormal, other paranormal,

conversations will start be having real academic conversations too. Maybe ufology is the beginning for that. And I hope so because people are having experiences in multiple different ways, not just euphology. So we can't just ignore it. And to be honest, if one, it's like I say with UFOs, and a lot of people say this too. You know, one of them is real and one abduction or any of it, it makes it real. You don't need a million. You just need one. So it's so. I At some point, I hope we get to a place where we figure it out of what's actually going on overall. But you're right. We have to start with grainy videos first and prove that through science and what we know.

And then grow. As our technology grows, we will grow with our understanding and our ability of, you know, and our lexicons will grow too. We don't have even the right words to explain sometimes what's going on. Right. So as we start right, or even our science can't keep up to that. So as our science develops and we start creating a different lexicon around it and being able to prove it, then maybe we'll come to a point where we can start proving other things that are

attached connected to uthology or UFO sightings in general. I love that. You know, a good friend of mine, Greg Bishop, wrote a book called It Defies Language. And it's all about UFOs because you're so right. Like we just, we're not there yet. We don't know how to describe these things we're seeing. I mean, two people can be at the same UFO sighting and describe it completely differently, which is cool in one way, but it's frustrated when it's,

you're trying to get hard data. But you're right. Yeah, like perception plays a big role in this. Language plays a big role. You know, your belief system or the lens in which you look through at that UFO event plays a big part. And it's just, there's UFOs represent everything, which I think is the coolest thing. Yeah.

History, language, religion. It covers everything. Oh, yeah. Well, I've said, like, if we have to go to, if there is a course one day, hopefully, because you can be a euphologist sitter, but there's no action. academic school that you can go to. So maybe one day there will be a place where people can go and learn about uphology and become a uphologist and have a whole bunch of, you know, and have to maybe a couple

degrees because this is why you need a community because understanding physics, aviation, culture, like there's just so many different spaces that you have to be an expert to explain. Like, if somebody asked me, like, Chrissy, can you explain how this UFO is moving? I'd be like that that's not my forte. I'm like, my forte is media and mass media and understanding like how media is disseminated, how to be able to bring more light and attention to this topic along with culture, you know, and working within a community and watching how people work together. Like those are my places.

My place is not the place to talk about aviation and physics because like, trust me, that's my place. And you don't want my opinion on that because it's just, it's not my expertise. the other thing I think is really interesting about this community that I also find, and I've said this a couple times too, that we're fighting. And I've said it to friends, maybe not so much on interviews, but we're really fighting for something that we don't know anything about. We don't know what the end causes.

And we're all doing that. And to me, that's really interesting because most people, when they're fighting, there is, I guess, this really end understanding of what they're fighting for as a movement. we're fighting for truth, which is one thing I do see. And we're fighting for this disclosure and humans technology and lots of other things. But we don't know what it really is. You know, as people right now, I don't know what the government knows. That's for sure.

But as us as a community, we know. And I find that really interesting that we're always, we're all going towards something that is really unknown to us. Like it is a phenomenon. And you don't get a lot of group of people fighting for something they don't really know what the end cause is. Like, does that, do you know what I mean when I say that? Like, we're fighting for a mystery. Yeah, we're fighting for a mystery and we're fighting for our own reasons. You know, I always tell people, yeah, of course I want like the truth to come out,

but I'm not like, I'm not molder. I'm not trying to prove that there's a shadow government pulling all the strings and they're working with aliens. I'm not even into the UFO field to prove that UFOs are aliens. Like, I don't even. try to connect the two. I try to keep UFOs completely separate from the question, is their other life. But I'm in it for my own reasons. As you are, as so many other people are, they want answers and they want to find meaning in why they're interested in it and why they got involved. Or maybe why they had an experience, you know, like a lot of people don't want these things to happen to them, but it did. It fell in their lap and they were forever changed. So yeah, I think it's a very personal journey.

Yeah, and why we're so connected to it. I ask myself that a lot. And I ask other people the question, like, what brought you here? Because I find that really interesting. What's their motives? Why, you know, A, you don't, if you just love it and you're interested, that's wonderful too. That's a great reason why.

But I'm curious to see because everybody has an individual experience or story. Yeah, that brought them to this community and they play a role in it. If it's just researching, interested, supporting, you know, investigating. there's so many things, but there has to be more common thread to us. And maybe one day, you know, a psychologist will do an analysis on everybody in the community. And then they'll tell us, we all get along at times and some do and some don't, but why we're all doing this. Because it is interesting. And the one thing that I see that's that maybe not for everybody, but from a lot of us is like, I always say is really want to know the truth, obsessed with knowing the truth and in having an understanding.

of what's going on, but overall, wanting to know and really enwrapped into and knowing the story, telling the truth and the government telling us. Like, there's something there to that. Would you say so or do you find that other people might have other reasons? I, again, I think it just, it varies so much. I think there's people in the UFO field strictly for notoriety and are less than honest about what they're doing. I won't name names because I think everyone kind of knows who I might be talking about when it comes to that. But again, I think there are people who just want to trust their

government, which I think is a big issue, especially here in the U.S. right now, is, and look, kind of the UFO, modern UFO era started with a lie and a cover up in Roswell. Like, yeah, we still don't know what it was, but we damn well know it was not a weather balloon like they said it was. So, I mean, what do you do when the first kind of documented case, at least here in the U.S., kind of started with a lie? So I think people want to hold their government accountable and be like, yo, like, tell us what's going on. We deserve it. We are the ones paying you. And you're here to work for us.

So I think there's that part of it. And then like you said, I think a lot of people just love chasing a mystery. And I do feel that's why I'm in it. I don't care what the end result is. I think either I'm going to be thoroughly let down if we ever do find that answer or it's going to be something so wrong. I am going to be so wrong about what it was that it's just going to like blow my mind. And there's probably not one answer to what you have us are or aren't either, you know? I agree.

I think that we're probably, we think we're going in the right direction where we're like, we know what it is. And it's probably not. And the funny thing is that we see through culture throughout multiple years from the 50s, the 60s and the 70s into now, the concept of what a UFO look like changes. You know, it was like a flying saucer, you know, and then we move into, you know, triangles, like we still have triangles. And then we move into orbs. And then we move into now pyramids. Like, there's just, there's so many different shapes. And we do see that as we move over decades and decades that the shapes in our culture, it does change. So are we, are UFOs a reflection of us in our

time. Like it's, you know, and I know I've, I know that I'm not the only person who's said that and there's tons of articles are about that, about what does that mean? Like, and I have a feeling that it probably won't be something that we thought it would be. I also just don't think we have that ability yet in the lexicon and the science that I keep saying that is because we don't have enough information to back what we're seeing. And maybe one day we will. And again, it probably will be something that we never even thought of. Lots of places can expose you to identity. Oh, no. That's why LifeLock monitors hundreds of millions of data points a second for threats to your identity,

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But no, I think you're right. This topic, this question says so much more about us than whatever it is we're dealing with. I think you're right. It is reflective of us, our concerns, our hopes, our dreams, and our issues that we face here on our planet. Like that's why when nuclear weapons were first being manufactured or, you know, we're going to Vietnam. That's why in the 60s and 70s, we had this contactee movement of aliens coming here and saying, you got to shape up because you're going to destroy your planet. Like it's a good, I guess, conveyor of a message we should be following anyways. Kind of like religion.

Like you look at any of the major religions and they kind of all have the same core meaning, you know, do good. and spread love, and it'll come back to you. So I think, yeah, I think this topic is reflective of that as well. It's us striving to be something more. And we look at these tic-tacks and pyramids doing unbelievable things that we know humans are not capable of yet, but we might one day. So, again, I think it's us aspiring to be something. And maybe that is what we're dealing with when it comes to the alien question.

Yeah, I'd love to talk to people that obviously we can't talk to someone from, you know, 1910, but I would like to talk to as far back as we could get and ask them from all different periods and decades and in and compare them and say when you saw a UFO, what it looked like, what was going in in history? What happened? What was your feeling? What was it like? What did everybody think about UFOs? And then keep going down that line every decade or every five. years and read about it and see how the culture was along with what they were seeing. Because I think it would be, and then come to today and where we are and reading a whole bunch of stories of that would be really, really interesting. You know, and even asking someone like Robert Salas, you know, Robert, like when you were on that base and that happened to you, you know, A, you're feeling of that. And then what was the sentiment around the world?

Like, that was a scary time. And for him being on that base, when all of those missiles were. activating. Like, I can't even imagine how that would feel. And so talking to all those different people that have had experiences from all different variations in degrees and all different decades would be a really interesting cultural, you know, comparison. And then where we see where we see we are today. And then the reflection of society going on in that time, because I think we'd learn a lot more about ourselves too. Yeah, absolutely. I do think you're right. That's why UFOs seem to change throughout the decades, I think, too, is because each kind of decade has a new approach

and new issues they're dealing with, whether it's politically, economically, religiously, all throughout the world. So, yeah, I think you're right. I think this just, it's such a big, broad topic, and we're just trying to piece the puzzle together. And I don't know if it is a solvable puzzle, but we're going to keep trying. Well, I have a couple of listener questions, Christy, if you don't mind. I know you got to get going. I talked way too much during this. So we'll go rapid fire. Okay. So Dan Zee, who runs the Zignal Twitter account and awesome dude. I've got his stickers right back here if anyone's interested. He wants to know if tasked with rolling out disclosure, kind of what we've been talking about. How would you market it and distribute it as someone who comes from sort of a PR background? How would you market disclosure to the public? For who? For the government?

Working for the government or working for who? What side am I on? What's that? How about both? Perfect. Would you have two different approaches from government and then like I don't know. I would hope that it would be the same. Well, the difference I think between because it depends.

If you're rolling out disclosure, you would be the person working within the government is the communications director. You know, if I was Susan Goh doing, you know, working with the Pentagon and doing disclosure, you know, I'm very much for people knowing the truth. So I don't know how much they would like me. But let's just say I was. I would probably start to to figure out obviously with mass media and have a conversation and a narrative that obviously was positive as much as we could tell the truth that wouldn't

scare the public. I also think telling people that, you know, you believing in UFOs is okay. and it doesn't mean that you need to give up your religion. You doesn't mean that you have to change your job. It doesn't mean that you have to move from your city or country. It doesn't mean you have to stop what you're doing. This is something that's part of our life that we need to now just look at and understand and probably have some kind of, I'm not going to say comfort,

but some kind of overall understanding that this is part of it and we're trying to figure it out. So I would start there. And then later on I would keep, you know, obviously talking to media, educating them what's going on. I think giving all different types of mass media and specific journalists can that ask really great questions. And then also educating specific journalists about this topic. Because the one thing that I see within mass media is that when these journalists come to people like the debrief and like Tim McMillan and a lot of other journalists is because there's like a vault of information that we've. that you're like, they think, sometimes I think journals might think they're coming into, maybe some of them, or if they're new, are coming into this topic.

And they're like, oh, I was read about UFOs. And then they realize, like, there's so much content and so much history around it. And you just have to get through all of that. So you start in the beginning of UFOs. And then you go all the way down to from like centuries of conversations of it or just articles, experiences. So maybe giving even just crash courses into specific journalists. and telling them and explaining to them what were those pivotal moments that happened in history

that really came to this conversation and then where we are today. And if I was lucky enough to work in communications, I would love to prove that some of these stories that people have been ridiculed their entire lives are true and giving them that light. That's never going to happen in the government. That's what I would love to do because it would open up a little bit more of transparency and trust. But again, there's probably tons of reasons why the government won't do that because of, you know, you can't ridicule someone their entire life and then be like, sorry about that. Right. Yeah. That's not going to happen. But I think that there's a tons of places. I, you know, that's a really hard question to answer. But I think it is because there's so much to go with it. But I think that's where I would start with. And then having media and talking about it and having a better understanding. of where we're going and then hopefully having people ask more questions and being able to answer it. But I think mainly is telling people that it's okay and starting there so we don't freak people out.

And they have a better idea of what's happening. And maybe that's what they're doing now. We don't really know. Maybe they are in their speed, you know, they're doing this type of disclosure to us that's very, very spoon fed right now. But that's kind of where I would start. But there's probably, I'd love to hear other people is actually. Like I would love to hear how they would feel disclosure would be rolled out. I would love to know that.

Yeah. Yeah. Everyone has a, yeah. Everyone has a great question. It's really is. Yeah. It was a good one. Thanks, Dan.

Well, you said, I'm kind of going. And, you know, at the debrief, it's boldly going and rebelliously curious. So Teresa wants to know before we go here, Chrissy. How did you come to work with the debrief? And is there going to be more episodes of, rebelliously curious and what is it? Tell us a little about the show they have going on at the YouTube channel and whatnot if you don't find that. Yeah. So I remember when the ACORN photo dropped from the debrief and I'm like, who is what is this debrief? Who is this debrief? I have not heard of these people

like obviously the website like Tim McMillan and the rest but I'm like, what is this website that's going on here. So that's where, and then I messaged you, Ryan. It was like, I saw that you were working with them. So I asked you. I'm like, what's going on? And you gave me a little bit of information. And then I saw MJ. I followed a lot of people on social media. I added them on Facebook because I'm just that much. I want the intel in the community. And I saw MJ put a posting up and said, we're looking for contributors, writing contributors. So I sent him a note and I said, I would like to work with you guys. Like I'd like to contribute. But I'd like to do it in a video context or podcast kind of context because that's where, you know, that that's my or my medium. And he said, yeah,

he's like, well, we need someone to do like tech videos and updates and stuff. And so him and I came back and forth with a concept. And he was like how we were going back and forth with names to name the show. And he was like, what about rebellious like curious? And I said, yeah, I'm like that like totally fits into who I am as a person and also what I would like to do with the debrief. And my, there will be way more episodes. Hopefully the show will grow where, you know, I get to maybe one day get to go into the fields and get to learn and be one on one and be curious even more into topics that I want to learn more about and also have people, you know, follow along with me, you know,

and learning with me. And I think the most important thing for me is that when I do these videos is that making it approachable and making it that it's easy to understand and people, you know, hopefully they enjoy it and are able to grasp science and technology and defense and UFOs so that it's easy to understand and it's fun to understand. And it's something that, yeah, is approachable to them. So that's really my goal is to make science tech and that and make it so that it's easy to consume. And people want to learn more. And that's what's important to me. And that kind of, that's a very similar narrative to the debrief.

And that's why we, we, you know, I fit within that community. I feel and Ryan, you're part of that. You know, it's making journalism and making these topics approachable and fun rather than stuffy and old, like some outlets, you know, and that's what I love about the guys is they understand that and they understand how to talk to the community as well. And also giving really, really, really wonderful stories and, um, and articles and proof. Like, it's just, it's, it's one of the, probably the best websites that started independently that really does, you know, will hopefully be something a lot larger than what it is now.

But it's growing every day. And honestly, I'm just, I'm really happy to be part of it. It's a really great space to be in. Cool. I, I would have to agree. You know, I approached the guys and said, hey, I don't know if my writing is up to par for what you guys got going on with your standards. But I'd love to give it a try.

And, you know, I've been so lucky to get like 10 articles published at this point with many more to come as well, as many more of your episodes to come. And I think you're right. Like, it's, we're trying to make it accessible because a lot of this emerging tech and disruptive tech and science and all this stuff, it's intimidating. And I can't even pretend to really understand some of the stuff that I'm writing about. So it's cool to have kind of your show that when we write an article, you can then. expand on the articles and make it more digestible. Because I think, again, like, this is about getting everyone involved. If we're just writing, like, science babble that only a couple, you know, quantum computing

scientists are going to understand. Like, why even bother? Like, they have their own outlets for that. So, yeah, I think it's really cool what you got going on with the debrief as well. Thanks, right? And vice versa. Like, I just, I think it's so important because you, people, I think are like, oh, I'm not smart enough to like this, to be part of science and tech and all of this. And I would tell myself

that narrative for years. I'm like, I'm not smart enough, you know, to go to school for that. And then I realized, I'm like, no, Chrissy. I'm like, these are things that you enjoy. And maybe you might not understand the mathematics around it, but you like the theory of it. And that's interesting. And being able to make articles or people to write articles and make videos that I can say to somebody that I can explain it to them while I'm reading. it and breaking it down and finding that education point that's easy to understand is really important because you don't have to be a rocket scientist to like science, tech, and defense and all of this. You can enjoy it and be somebody who likes art.

You can be somebody who you can be anybody. It doesn't mean you have to be a specific person. And I think a lot of people are scared of reading those articles because they just feel like they're maybe not up to snuff or they don't feel that maybe they're not smart enough to be in that community. And it's like, no, you're not. you're allowed to be part of this and you're allowed to have an interest and it doesn't matter what education level you're on. And I think that's, if we keep pushing that forward, then we'll get

more people into the community that are liking science and thinking that it's cool. And we'll get a different generation that wants to learn more about science and tech than they do about their Kardashians. No offense, Kardashians. But to me, you know, they're big fans of someone in the skies. So exactly. Exactly. You know, like that's my, you know, and that's my, you know, and that's my hope, you know, and maybe it's a little biased, but that's why I'm really happy to be part of a community that wants to make it easy and digestible for people. Awesome. Yep.

Learning. That's the key word. So in closing, Chrissy, where can we learn more about everything you're up to? And yeah, give us all the socials and websites and where people can find you. Yep, for sure. They can follow me on social media at Ms. vocab. It's right down there.

M-I-S-V-C-O-V. You can also go to altpoprepeat.com to listen to our podcast. We're on all streaming podcasts as well. And then you can go to the debrief.org. You can pop over to their YouTube page and you'll find my videos that come out every Friday at 2 o'clock called Rebellously Curious with Chrissy Newton. So, yeah. And I love talking to people on social media.

So tweet, DM me, do all those wonderful things. because I will always talk about UFOs or other topics with you. Yes, have a conversation. I love it. Well, Chrissy, I got to thank you. I know you're going right to another show after this. You're popular today. So I'll just say this. I know, I know.

I know. Everyone go to Clubhouse, go to the debrief clubhouse, hang out there. It's a really fun time. I've done it a couple times now. But thank you. Thank you for coming on and just having a conversation. I think if more people did that, like this community could come together instead of, you know, you're wrong, you're right, and everything in between. So thank you.

Thank you for coming on Somewhere in the Skies today. Thanks for having me, right.