Somewhere in the Skies - UFOs: Who Knows? (w/ Ryan S. Wood and Anthony DeLorenzo)

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

On episode 390, we are joined by Ryan S. Wood and Anthony DeLorenzo. Together, they've written a new book called UFOs: Who Knows? The book is a meticulous compilation of quotations and testimonies from highly credible sources. From military generals, astronauts, scientists, celebrities, and politicians to religious figures and everyone in between, each voice adds weight to the argument that UFOs deserve serious attention and exploration. Woods and DeLorenzo discuss a handful of quotes and testimonies from the book and how it can be the perfect conversation-starter to share the topic of UFOs with your friends, family, and colleagues alike. Order UFOs: Who Knows? at: https://a.co/d/eXe1IdO Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Discord: https://discord.gg/2E92ZAk6U6 Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ryansprague.bsky.social Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomewhereSkies Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/somewhereskiespod/ Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/Sprague51/ Order Ryan’s new book: https://a.co/d/4KNQnM4 Order Ryan’s older book: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Store: http://tee.pub/lic/ULZAy7IY12U Read Ryan’s articles at: https://medium.com/@ryan-sprague51 Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte Produced by LIONSGATE Copyright © 2024 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague. Welcome, everyone, to Somewhere in the Skies. I am your host, Ryan Sprague, and we have a fun one for you guys today. We're going to be talking about a very unique book that is just released about the UFO topic. And when I say unique, I mean, it is truly unique. It's unlike any other UFO book out there, and we'll talk all about how and why that is. But before we do that, I do want to welcome a return guest and a first-time guest to somewhere in the skies. Anthony D. Lorenzo and Ryan S. Wood, welcome, gentlemen, to somewhere in the skies.

It's great to be here. Yeah, thank you for having us, Ryan. Of course, of course. Now, Anthony, I had the pleasure of having you on, gosh, what, maybe a few months ago at this point, when we randomly connected over the Internet, as many, you know, working relationships often do these days. But Ryan, I'm quite familiar with your work in the UFO field, but maybe for those of our audience who may not be, I'd love to get kind of just a background on both of you guys before we dive into your new book, UFOs, who knows. I love the title, love the title. But,

Ryan, let's start with you. Could you give our audience just a little background on who you are and what you do? Yeah. Well, my interest in you epology stems from my father who was working on an anti-gravity program or gravity control program in 1967, 68, 69 at Douglas Aircraft Company. And Stan Friedman, for example, came home to dinner when I was 15 years old, 16 or something. And so I got a little bit of exposure to the subject of UFOs. And that's sort of sparked my early interest. I sort of ignored it for the next 20 years.

You know, kids don't always follow their father's footsteps and so forth. But then I got much more involved. I mean, I went to the occasional Mufon conference and had some interest. But then in the early 90s, when the Tim Cooper and Majestic documents started to leak, I got much more involved with my father, and we worked, worked along that path. So my specialty is really documents and UFO crashes and AI, actually, for my euphological interests. And then really in the early 2000s, 2003 through 2008 ISOs, I created and managed and implemented, the UFO crash retrieval conferences in Las Vegas.

You know, 500 people for a weekend, typical death by PowerPoint experience. But lots of networking. It was quite an affair. And, you know, of course, this is all 18 years before David Grush ever showed up and said, oh, yeah, crashes are real. But George, George Knapp was there with George Norie occasionally. originally in Friedman and all these players, Dolan and Howe and Redfern and on and on, they all came and talked in a variety of ways.

And then I had kids, so I took a breather for like 12 years, and I've reemerged into the field now. And so that's my euphological experience. And maybe later I'll tell you about my day job. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, man. Those crash retrieval conferences are legendary. So I have to thank you for those. And like you said, yeah, you were talking about these crashes long before anyone like David Gresh came forward. I do want to touch on your UFO book about AI later in the conversation for sure because I'm really interested in that.

But yeah, that's awesome. And Anthony, you know, we got to know you a little bit on the live stream a couple of months ago. But yeah, maybe give our audience a little bit of back. and on who you are and what you do if you don't mind. Sure. I'm a humanities professor here in New York, and I've studied history and philosophy and other subjects for a long time and was always open-minded to everything.

But just by chance, I'm one of those people who grew up with tons of interest, but I never was into like Star Trek or Star Wars or really UFOs, flying saucers, aliens. I always kind of like assumed that there's something out there. And, but then as I studied more and more subjects over the years, I took, came upon the actual government history of the government involvement with the UFOs, which was honestly something that was never on my radar, to be honest. And so about four years ago, I started studying the subject intensely. I'm kind of one of those people where if I want to learn about like something, I try to learn everything about it. So I've been doing that for a while now. And that led me to reaching out to Ryan because it came across Ryan. And he got back to me.

We talked and we started this project earlier in 2023 or even before that, I think. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, let's talk about that. I'd love to know. Like, yeah, you guys connected. And how did you eventually come up with this concept for the book?

And yeah, maybe tell us a little about that concept of what? what sets it apart from other books on UFOs? Ryan, if you want to take that. Yeah, well, yeah, thank you for that. I mean, I had this concept. I originally called the book in like 2008 or nine, UFOs, who cares? Question mark.

Like, I don't give a shit, you know. Why should I care about this at all? And my graphics designer, a guy said, no, no, Ryan, that's all wrong. It should be, who knows. And I created a little tiny pre-publication version of this that had maybe 100 quotes in. Now, the new one has 180. And Anthony did a great job of expanding a bunch of areas that we needed to expand to be more effective and cover a broader swath of the public.

So the first version, which is, it's half as thick and had formatting errors and the page numbers weren't right and so forth, I really should probably just burn the rest of them. But that's the sort of origin story. But I always knew it was, you know, powerful in that what you really want is something that would appeal to a really broad audience with highly credible. quotations and information that would appeal to people. Yeah. And, you know, I might even put a few, if you guys don't mind, a few of the images of the pages up on the YouTube version of this to show the audience, kind of walk them through what to expect.

Every single page or pages is like one person. It's their quotes that they've had about the UFO topic. And they're kind of their history, their bio, their involvement, maybe either. in the topic or just their involvement in the world, whether it's celebrities, government officials, scientists, and that's what was really cool, how you guys kind of broke it down.

You've got one section for celebrities, one for astronauts, which is a topic I've been meaning to do an entire episode on for a long time now, is astronauts and UFOs. And boom, right there, you guys have like half a dozen to almost a dozen astronauts who have talked about this topic as well. Yeah, and I do want to just give you some real-time information, really.

Yeah. For Anthony, I was down at John Schusler's house in Colorado, who used to be the director of Newfound, and he has this massive collection. I mean, it just dwarfs everything. And I was shown in the book and talking to him about that. And he said, well, do you have McDivitt's, astronaut McDivitt's conversations? And I said, no, no, I don't know anything about it. I said, well, I have the original recordings of that.

And so I don't know what he's going to say or what's on it, but we're going to add to that. And my impression is that there's something juicy in there. And there's other people that we want to add as well. Yeah. And there were others, two, that have been quoted as saying things, but they never confirmed it 100%. So there were some we didn't put because they're very speculative. and some of even denied it, but like Gordon Cooper says in there, apparently he says they were under strict secrecy according to him.

And we, and also Ryan, John Glenn, I recently found that he definitely had some statements, but we could happen to. Yeah. Yeah, that's what the revised edition is for, right? This book will constantly be in evolution, which I think is really cool as well. Well, while we're on that topic, I might as well. share from your book my favorite astronaut one if you don't mind. And I'd love if you guys have any comments on this. So the one that really stood out to me in the book was James Irwin,

Apollo 15 astronaut who landed on the moon in 1971. And he would tell a pilot friend of his the following. And I want to do the whole quote here if that's okay. He said, quote, I'm going to say something that is top secret. If you repeat it, I will deny having ever having said We weren't there on the moon surface for more than an hour, and a saucer landed a mile away from us. We asked Houston if we could motor over there and say howdy. They said, no, ignore them and pretend they're not there and carry on about your business. All the time we were there, we saw no movement from the saucer, and they were still there when we left. greater right in the center of it and that one is

fragments around it up that I mean you know I've heard of the Gordon Cooper ones or you know a few of the other ones what Buzz Aldrin has said but this one really stood out to me guys I mean that is it's almost too good to be true

if true you know that old adage but what do you guys make of what James Irwin had to say there well it does I love tales with the whistleblower testimony of Bill Tompkins or William Tompkins, who there's the three-volume set of books from Tompkins that support his secondhand information about, yes, there's craft on the moon lined up along the crater.

It's funny how Tompkins says that there was multiple craft and Irwin says there was one saucer. And so I don't know what to make of that, but that was, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and you always hear like everyone always asks, why didn't we go back? Why haven't we been back to the moon? And, you know, maybe it's the space program lost funding. There's always that excuse.

But then, you know, a lot of people do believe it's because they saw something there and were almost told or warned in so many ways not to go back. But Anthony, yeah, do you have anything to add to either this quote or just astronauts and UFOs in general? Yeah, it's a really interesting topic. I could say that. And, you know, I spent a lot of time with a lot of the astronauts in this book. Irwin was one of the ones I didn't. like that was one Ryan had. So I want to actually dive deeper on Irwin one. A lot of the other ones, you know, I had went and looked at all the interviews and

done that. So, but I would say as far as the sightings on the moon, the Aldrin one is interesting because he definitely said something. And then if you look at the Larry King interview, Larry King kind of like pried it out of him a little bit and that they saw something. Of course, it was explained away as like a reflection. but then you have like the Neil Armstrong story, which came in like the Timothy Good book and so forth

that they saw something up there landed. And then you hear the James Irwin story. I mean, it's definitely, I think it's possible. One of the books I'm reading now is one of the early Donald Kehoe books. And they were seeing things on the moon. The like one of the leading astronomers, rather, from Harvard was saying that he was seeing what he thought was artificial on the moon and the air force was like suppressing and him speaking publicly so it's kind

of interesting there's a lot of things there i might i might add the one that that i like a lot because i knew edgar mitchell was was his uh his comment which i'll read yeah yeah yes there have been et visitations there have been crashed craft which is you know music to my ears There have been materials and bodies recovered, and there is some group of people somewhere that may be or may not be associated with the government at this point. But certainly, I mean, maybe, maybe not, implies maybe an off-world civilization or breakaway civilization, which is the buzz of Michael Sala and others. and they've been attempting to conceal this knowledge or not permitted from being widely disseminated. So that was, you know, his comments in 2000. So astronauts, I think, I mean, it was Anthony's good idea to say, well, what are we going to lead with?

And he said, astronauts. Oh, yeah. I mean. So. Yeah. Well, to add to that, I mean, who's more credible than those that have actually been to outer space, like literally on another moon or planet or satellite? I think it was a great way to sort of start it off, guys, for sure. And I want to circle back because mainstream, you know, UFOs are kind of hotter than ever right now.

You know, this topic ebbs and flows throughout the decades in popularity, in credibility, even. But it does seem that right now, so many people in so many walks of life are getting into the topic, whether they're coming out with TV shows, podcasts, or just merely whatever, tweeting out about it on their social media or whatnot. Everyone is interested in UFOs, and that goes for celebrities too. So that's kind of where I want to touch on with you guys next. My favorite celebrity quote that you had in the book is that of Kurt Russell, the actor, and his involvement with the famous Phoenix Lights UFO incident. So, you know, I'll go ahead and read it here right now. And then I'd love to get your guys' thoughts on celebrities and UFOs and what importance they have in this topic, if any. But here was the Kurt Russell quote about having not only seen the Phoenix Lights, but having reports.

which is actually way more important. Oliver and I were flying in, I was flying him to go see his girlfriend. And we were on approach. And I saw six lights over the airport and absolute uniform in a V shape. And I, and Oliver said to me, I was just looking at him and I was coming in, we're maybe a half a mile out and Oliver said, Pa, do you, what are those lights? And I, then it kind of like came out of my reverie and I said, I don't know what they are.

know what they are. I said, are we okay here? And I said, yeah, I'm going to call him, and I reported it. And they said, we're not painting anything. We don't show anything. I said, well, okay, I'm going to declare it's unidentified, it's flying, and it's six objects. We landed. I taxied, dropped him off, took off, went back to L.A. Never said a word. He never said a word. I never thought of it. Two years later, Goldie is watching a television show. When I'm a I came home. And the show is on UFOs. But as I'm, I came home, hey, honey, how's it going? And I'm kind of hearing the TV going and I stopped and I started watching and it was on that event. Now that was the most, that was the most viewed UFO event. Over 20,000 people saw that.

And I'm watching this and I'm feeling like Richard Dreyfus in Close Encounters or Third Count. It's like, why do I know this? You know? And it's not clear to me. And finally I said, then they said the pilot reported it, a general aviation pilot reported it on landing. I had never thought of it since then, and I said, that was me. That was me. And I said, wait a minute, I'll go to my logbooks. So I went to my logbooks, and there was the flight at that time, and I didn't mention anything about the UFO. The fascinating part of that to me is that it just went literally out of my head.

Yeah. And Oliver never mentioned it. And had I not seen that show, I'd have never thought of it again. That to me was the weird part. So he was literally like the first person to report the Phoenix Lights officially, which is crazy to me. But yeah, whichever of you guys want to take that next, what role do celebrities play? I mean, you have a ton of quotes in the book about it, so they must play some big role. And do you put credence in what celebrities have to say about this topic? And do you have any faith? throw in a lot of questions at you. Yeah. Go ahead, Nancy. All right. Yeah, I think that that was definitely an important part of the book for us.

And what we talked about was, and what I believe is that the celebrities are important for this topic because they can get more people talking about it. I think still your average person is still kind of just defaults to this is kind of a fringe topic. And, you know, it's not really something serious. but we know otherwise in how the government's handling and the whole detailed history of it. So, yeah, I think if some big name celebrities were talking about it, more people would be talking about it. So we found the ones that have said something about it. We put them in the book.

We want to also the ongoing project is to try to get more celebrities because, yeah, I think if they say just simply raise awareness about it, you know, and use their wealth, use their position. to reach a big audience and say, hey, guys, this is like something's really going on here. We should deserve to know what more about it. I think that will make a difference. Yeah, key word being, I think, awareness there, Anthony. That's a good word. Ryan, what do you think? Yeah, well, I mean, I want Taylor Swift to tweet about it or, you know, do something.

You know, get those, what, a hundred million people fired up. So that's the goal in the original version, the celebrity section was particularly weak, along with a religious section. And Anthony did a lot of work on that section, both the sections, and tried to flush them out because we felt that was really important to try to engage more and more people, not only in the music celebrities, but in the sports celebrities. and in the news media and try to hit these different genres of potential relationships or or authority or looking up to from the public's point of view is that, you know, I don't trust scientists worth a shit, you know, I only believe in what XYZ celebrity says. It's probably not that clean. But nevertheless, that was the goal of having this cross-pollinization, this huge swath of different people to allow greater bonding and authority and credibility amongst a broader and broader audience.

And so that was the goal. And as Anthony mentioned, we do want to try to rope in more and more celebrities. And I think the book can give them cover to say, oh, yeah, here are all my friends I've said something profound. Well, I want to throw my hat in the ring and, you know, say something else. And hopefully, you know, we can get that sort of information coming. I think it'll take a certain amount of luck and exposure and time. But we're certainly urging that. we'll do some active work to try to solicit that as well.

So do anybody in the audience that has a rolodex of A-listers in the world, please reach out to Mr. Sprague and we can go make it happen. Yeah, absolutely. Call to Action. You guys have a call to action at the end of the book as well. And it's true. Like, yeah, if anyone watching this listening, if you're in the entertainment industry, music sports.

If you're a W.W.E. wrestler, I don't care. Like, reach out to us. Tell us your stories and get it to Ryan and Anthony. And we'll archive it, you know, so that it's there. That it's, you know, it's put somewhere where it can live. And we can have it. Because you guys, not only is it like quotes from celebrities, but you had UFO sightings from celebrities.

Experiences, yeah. Oh, my God, man. Muhammad Ali. You had John Lennon. You had Miley Cyrus. Demi Lovato, like the spectrum was just insane that you guys were able to bring together. Well, before we move on from celebrities, did you guys have any favorites that you can remember from the book at all? The one that stood out to me was Ali.

Ali, that was a great one. Because it was cool to watch the interview. He was on, I think, Johnny Carson and one of the big shows. And everyone's laughing at him, you know. And Johnny Carson's like kind of ridiculing him like, you know. And Ali's just like, I don't get it. Everyone's seeing these everywhere. Like, I'm not joking.

Right. It's fun to watch that. Yeah. That was a good one. Yeah. Yeah. I guess there's a couple that stand out to me, but because I'm, you know, interested in the technology and the gravity control, we all know that saucers have some sort of gravity control. The quote from Ben Rich at his retirement in 1993 at UCLA, where.

He basically says we have the technology to take ET home. We found a mistake in the equations, and we now can travel the stars. And so when you say I found a mistake in equations, it implies that you really had bright people working on trying to figure that out. And they sort of figured out the mistake in either Einstein's general relativity or are Maxwell, equations or the combination of the both or something with you know different sort of tensor topologies and exotic physics and math that was frowned upon or not looked on and in the whole physics world sort of went down this string theory approach to science which many people believe is just a red-hand

I mean, there's real science going on, but it doesn't drive to the point of sort of quantum gravity control and gravity control, which in my opinion is the great secret that is being withheld from humanity is that we know how to control gravity and made gravity control craft. And Ben Rich in the book, and others hint around that. topic, the scientists and engineers section clearly highlights much of that. Right, right. Now, would that Ryan be considered something like zero point energy? You know, I've read the work of like people like Nick Cook and whatnot, but I'm not too familiar. It goes right over my head, man. Help put off. Okay, okay. So something like that. Well, it's interesting you mentioned Nick Cook and the hunt for zero point.

which is a 2001 book or so. But the arch villain in there is a guy by the name of George S. Trimble, who was head of the Glenn L. Martin Research Institute for Advanced Studies, which I believe is the group that cracked gravity that Ben Rich was talking about, somewhere back in 1958, 1960 or so. And, you know, some people say, oh, we got gravity draft back into the World War II time frame. But, and there may be multiple groups making multiple efforts at different timeframes in history, and they don't talk to each other. So it's hard to know, but that book by Nick Cook is a fun read.

And I enjoyed it, but that's sort of my comment about. the origin of anti-gravity. Interesting. Well, I do want to move to scientists and engineers because I have another favorite quote that you guys were able to extract from all of this. But you did mention, Anthony, about religion. That's one that I didn't get too yet in the book.

But I am interested to hear, you know, what different sort of, whether it's major religions, maybe a bit more, I don't want to say less important religions, but like the ones that aren't as well known. Everyone, every belief system seems to have a different, I guess, perception of the UFO topic, if any. So did anything really stand out in researching that section of the book? Greetings everyone, Ryan Sprig here, host of Summer in the Skies.

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by becoming a Patreon subscriber at patreon.com slash somewhere skies. Or by clicking the subscribe button at the top of your Apple feed. Thank you for your continued support and keep looking up. We wanted to do religion because there's a huge percentage of the population that's religious. And I've heard it in conversations before. Even I had a podcast guest a couple years ago who was Muslim. And when I, she was open to talk about flying saucers, but once I started talking about other beings, she'd said, I can't talk about that. And I thought that was interesting. And just having different students of different backgrounds over the years. So we just went,

we looked at each major religion, and then a number of indigenous religions as well, or, you know, other types of religions or spiritual traditions. And like you said, yeah, they all have different specific things that they say. But the themes that I saw tying them together was that unanimously, they all said there's nothing against our religion about other beings existing in other worlds. They all say that, you know. And they all say, it's no surprise. They basically are all saying that in one way or another.

Some of the other ones, for example, the Native American that we have in there, and then the Zulu shaman we have in there from Africa, they say more of an ancestral history, oral history, of contact many thousands of years ago. So that's interesting as well. But we just want to present that whole spectrum, and people can look right there and see what these people saying, includes the Pope,

includes, you know, very high-ranking people in all the religions. Yeah, Dalai Lama, for example. Yeah, the Dalai Lama said, Buddhist literature mentions countless worlds. So if we use our common sense, it's difficult to say that we humans are the only life in the universe. And so there's an example of Anthony what he just highlighted, is this sort of common thread of, you know,

we're not alone in the world. It's kind of arrogant to think that we're the only people. And the astrophysicists would say, you know, the probabilities one, that there's lots of other. you know, civilizations, advanced civilizations in the universe. So. Yeah. Well, you know, and it's funny.

I love telling this story, and I'm sure my listeners have heard me tell it before. But, you know, I grew up Roman Catholic. And I remember I would go to confession, like once every two weeks or something. And I remember one time I was waiting to go into the confessional booth at my church in Syracuse, New York, Anthony. I'm originally from Central New York. And I was so nervous because I knew I was going to go in there. And this is going to be the time. I was going to ask my Catholic priest,

is it like a sin for me to study UFOs to research UFOs? I mean, I was like 14 at the time. I started my UFO research one year prior when I was 13. Wow. But, you know, I always had this struggle with, is this okay? Because I always heard like we're made in God's image. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And I remember going in there. You got the partition between you two. And I just remember going in and him saying, okay, you know, confessor sins. I'm like, actually, I got something else. I want to ask you a question. I could tell he was thrown off his game. He's like, what is going on here? The tables are turning, apparently.

And I remember just asking my priest, Father Fred Minara was his name. And I asked him, is it okay for me to, believe in aliens, to study the topic of UFOs, or is this something like God would frown upon? And I just remember a really long pause. Like he was really thinking of how to respond to me with it. He's probably heard, you know, all these sins throughout the day and whatever and absolved people. But then I come in and ask this question, really, really kept him on his toes. And I remember him finally saying, it's completely fine to believe in other life.

there in the universe it's completely fine to be curious about what is out there that's what life is all about and then the thing that really hit me was he was like it also makes our god much more powerful to know that not only did he create us here on earth but he created civilizations all over the universe and that really stuck with me no matter like where my spiritual journey went after that and if I continue practicing Catholicism as it was then is a whole different story but that stuck

with me what he told me. So I think that kind of proves right there. Yeah, like it's okay. Every religion believes in something else out there. And to your point there, they all say that in a different way. It's saying that the person that we can't

assume to know like God's abilities, they all say that, you know, in the religious section. So if God, as they conceptualize, it could create as many worlds or beings as, you know, it would want to. Right. Yeah. Very interesting. Yeah.

I'll give you, you know, another sort of perspective. I mean, many people say, you know, aliens are the devil. Right. That's the big dichotomy. Is it good or evil? And then, you know, if you start to say, well, suppose Jesus, Muhammad. John Smith, et cetera, are not, you know, human beings, they're aliens. And you're all being manipulated for some end or goal.

You know, why is the book of Enoch, you know, widely discouraged within modern Christianity? And so there's always that tension in there. that some people have. I would say the majority do not. But the vocal minority might, you know, I've heard that a few times that, but my attitude is because we're all God's children and, you know, have at it and keep doing what you think is the right thing to do in life. Yeah, and by the way, the Ten Commandments are sort of universally practiced or embedded across all the religions of the world. I mean, you don't want to murder people.

You don't want to steal, you know, et cetera. And I think there's actually 12 commandments. But there's a different, it's not 10, it's more than that. But anyway, I just, that's sort of my extent of my religious discussion. No, but that's such a good point. And I think, you know, it does, you're right. It's sort of a universal thing. Like every religion believes, like, do one to others as you would have.

Yeah. It's so, if humans make things so complex, like, if we just stuck to these core things, we'd all be fine. But that's a conversation for another time. Let's just hope that if there are alien civilizations out there, that they do abide by sort of those same commandments for our sake too. But, yeah, it's a fascinating section of the book for sure. Sure. But let's move to kind of, I guess, the last two sections I want to cover with you guys here. And then I want to ask you some other questions here, too. Scientists and Engineers really caught my attention as well.

And you have a great one from James, Dr. James McDonald, which if you guys haven't looked into his work in the UFO field, go do it right now. He's one of the best UFO researchers we've ever had out there. And he was a physicist and a meteorologist, actually. We have in the UFO problem a very strange situation here for 20 years plus. Essentially similar phenomena have been reported all over the world, large numbers in the U.S., officialdom ignoring them, air forces ignoring them, and yet apparently a steady increase in the numbers of reliable reports from people in all walks of life seeing these objects that are not products of our technology, they're not meteorological, astronomical,

phenomena, hovering at low altitude, increasing numbers in urban areas, and collectively, we don't know what's going on. That's an extremely unwise situation, no matter how you view it. We do not know what is involved in this problem. There are no strong indications of anything resembling hostility. I see some faint indications of hazard and danger, but in general to have this possibility that the world is under something resembling reconnaissance, possibly from some extraterrestrial source, and to go on about our petty ways, collectively, doesn't seem to me to be a

wise situation. So I'm trying to get scientists and governmental agencies to take a look at this at a highly accelerated pace. Very outspoken on the topic. And one of the quotes you guys have here in the book, two of them. I'll do the first one here. The scientific community as a whole does not take the UFO problem seriously because it lacks experimental data. It is the youth of 20 who cannot find a job because they lack the experience. And they lack experience because they cannot find a job. I love that sort of analogy of like, this is a big reason why scientists do not get involved

because there is, there's no like evidence when it comes to this stuff. Once a UFO is here, it's like gone in the blink of an eye. Like there's barely ever anything to experiment on or do anything about. But in return, if no scientists are investigating it, you know, that's the problem too. So you've got that whole chicken and egg situation. And that's what I love so much about his quote is we need scientists who are willing to take that chance. Otherwise, we'll never get that evidence that those same scientists seek when it comes to this topic. So I love that quote. And then the other one was, he said my own

my own present opinion based on two years of careful study is that UFOs are probably extraterrestrial devices engaged in something that might very tentatively be termed surveillance. And that one stuck with me too. Like that's, we've been thinking that for years in the UFO world that a lot of these craft are here to keep an eye on us or, you know, the black triangles, they move so slow, they're so low. Are they mapping the planet? You know, sort of things like that, those have been theories put forth. But yeah, do you guys have any thoughts on either one of those quotes from James McDonald? Yeah, well, I'll jump in. I mean, there's lots of data. It's a question is what people consider really useful data. I mean, Project Grudge and Project

Sun and Project Blue Book created all these citing reports. You can do statistical analysis on it. And there's a lot of knowns and unknowns, and it's all the unknowns are the most exciting. And there are some very interesting unknown cases or poorly understood cases, which suggest physics insights and actually suggest man-made stuff, you know, like there's a whole raft of cases where there's smoke rings associated with a craft of the Rex Heflin photographs, And there's stuff in France where you see and you got pictures and it puts out this acrid black smoke ring. And you go to yourself, well, no, you know, ETs don't have smoke rings. There's something else going on here.

This is this our work, man's work. And so they're not burning hydrocarbons. So there's some data to go after. But yeah, the chicken and egg problem is real. and people have a fear of reputational loss. And some scientists are willing to go out on the edge and look at these anomalies and risk their careers. And many of them are in the book.

Yeah, absolutely. Anthony, do you have anything to add to the science and engineers topic? Yeah, I mean, there's so much you could say, like Ryan was hinting to impart going down the physics avenue of it all and what different scientists have said, the ones that were involved in the OSAP program and did all of these technical papers on, how could the UFOs be operating? You know, that book is really interesting, the 2023 one from James Lakatsky.

But going back to James McDonald, which I also like that quote a lot, and I have read a good amount about James McDonald. He was definitely very interesting, like one of the highest credible astronomers of the early days of the UFO sightings. and I think actually I have noted somewhere that he even had a sighting. He had a disc siding near one of the bases. I believe so. Yeah, I want to add that in, but that got lost in the shuffle. But yeah, I think on the science thing, one thing that popped out to me while you guys were talking was this idea that,

in order for the scientists to have that data, like you said, right, that data is apparently out there from all the research, all the whistleblower testimonies now. before Congress of the crash retrievals of all that right so there are scientists apparently that are have been working on this because they had the data but you know the public scientists or ones that are not in you know classified black programs are not don't have the data so that's how i guess i'm looking at it from the outside right yeah and uh i might add that i created a tool called UFODex, UFODX.com, which has a half million pages of data. And you can ask it any question you want. You know, tell me about sightings on the moon. And that's the one I'm going to

run for you, Anthony, and email it to you. And or anything else that you want to learn and tap into the vast knowledge base. And people live. all over the place and you could say well you know tell me about the sightings in in my town and it's surprising how often there's lots of data you know about that so but anyway that's that's shifting a little bit to military people i mean one of the the military quotes that i like a lot is General MacArthur. You know, it says the politics of our future are going to be cosmic and interplanetary. And, you know, this is in 1955.

So so far, I mean, he's plugged in greatest general of World War II and maybe of all time. But it's clear that he was briefed and had an understanding of the bigger picture and that our future is going to be, you know, interplanetary rather than traditional. But, you know, the soldiers in Ukraine are still pissed. And, you know, it hasn't happened yet. Yeah. Good point. Very good point.

Yeah. Well, and, you know, what I find interesting, Ryan, too, is, like, you bring up a quote there from, like, the 50s. And then you guys have stuff that, like, Grush or Eliza or sing. now and you know you're finding these patterns and connections between what they were read in on or briefed on back in the 50s and what these guys are allegedly read in on now today and it's astounding that like nothing's changed but everything's changed too and in between um so that's what's cool like you guys have these quotes from all these people from yesteryear of euphology the modern

UFO era up until today. And they're kind of saying the same thing, which, you know, is to me, I'm like, oh, man, have we come any closer to, like, finding any sort of answers since then? I would argue, yes, absolutely, in many respects. But in some, not so much. That's why you have a lot of these people in the UFO community who've been researching for, you know, decades and decades and they're burnt out. You know, they're tired of it.

They're like, yeah, I've heard this all before. They said that back in the 50s and 60s, and they're saying the same things now. Oh, you guys think the term UAP is cool and fresh and new? No, they were saying that back in 1948 or something like that. So it is interesting for sure. But yeah, let's move to that world leaders in government section, if you guys don't mind to kind of wrap up the book. Did any other ones really stick out to you?

This is probably one of the biggest sections of the book. to be completely honest. And there's so many military people throughout the world, not just the United States, who have commented on this topic. And that says something, because we all know everything UFO related, whether it's debris that's been recovered

or official scientific investigations of these things. It's all done through the government and the military. That's where it always ends up back in the hands of the government and military. you. But yeah, any other ones really stick out to you guys? Well, I think, you know, one of the things that overlapped my thinking originally was that I was always fascinated by the cross-section, the complete preponderance of the evidence, preponderance of the quotes. The fact that you can find virtually all the presidents have made a quote about this, in some form of the other.

And not just the U.S. ones, but Margaret Thatcher and Gorbachev and others. Yeah, there's others. That we're going to add, Eric Gehry from. Oh, yeah. He was at the UN conference. Okay. We have more we're going to add, too. Yeah.

And so. Yeah, and just tons of senators and representatives. Right. Yeah, you had a bunch of them. You know, I had the pleasure. of speaking to you, I think it was Jared Moscovich, Garcia. I spoke to Polina briefly. And you had all of them in the book because they're kind of one.

Gilbran. Gilgrain, yep, yep. Heinrich, you know, Matt Gates, you know. You know, there's some other ones. And so it's a delicate balance between, you know, engaging with modern politics in this topic and sort of not believing in their political structure, been interested in their euphological perspective. So that's hard, Ryan.

I find myself struggling with that nowadays because, you know, I've been pretty vocal about my own political beliefs on my social media and whatnot. I tend to be a little bit more on the left-leaning side. but, you know, I have conversations with individuals who aren't, and we get along just fine. But we do live in an age where, especially in the United States, it's very polarizing political beliefs right now, clearly. Like, there's no giving around that. And I do find that struggle of being like, okay, you've got this house hearing that took place, which is historic and, like, some good questions were asked. but it's the people who asked it.

And that's always going to be a problem for somebody. Whereas, you know, I live in the UK right now currently. And a lot of my UK colleagues and friends are like, well, I don't know anything about these senators. I just know that they're talking about UFOs. And I think that's great. So it's weird. It's a weird time for politics. It's a weird time for UFOs.

And of course, that's the same time that they're starting to really merge together. right. Yeah. I would say also though that going back to the history, there was a lot of senators and Congress members speaking. For example, in 1958, there was a big push for hearings. And I happened to get this old magazine. I was getting it for another subject before this last hearing in November. And I happened to read an article that was in there. And it was about a dozen Congress members in 1958. And yeah, we have to add some actually. And, They were all saying the same thing. And that's why it was kind of crazy to me to what you were saying before, Ryan,

because it was like, damn, we had this hearing in a week. And I was like, and it's eerily. It's eerily. And this was in 58. And I'm like, it sounds like the same thing. And I'm like, wow, how far have we come? You know, it made me really thing. Yeah.

Which I think is what your book does really well is you can look at something from 50 and then 2024 and be like, wow. And I think what, too, is like right now looking at our lifetime is how I look at it anyway like they could still get the can get kicked down the road another 60 years and yeah I never see anything like I don't know but maybe if we keep talking about it if we keep putting you know books out maybe more people will yeah bring it up well and I think what this book does the best guys is it's a conversation starter like this you know when when people come to me and say yeah exactly I've got it right on my shelf

back here too guys if you're watching this on youtube um it's a book that you can pick up and put down you know and just show a couple pages to someone in your family or a friend who is like hey you're really into that like is it real like well look at this book read this quote by so-and-so and and you tell it's real so yeah i think you guys really tapped into something um like i mentioned in the beginning unique here um but essential too like there's we're Nothing, if not for witnesses, when it comes to this topic. And you have so many people of notoriety and respect and credibility that have discussed this topic or have witnessed it face to face, which I think is just so, so cool. But yeah, yeah.

Anything else you guys going to add about the book before I move on to some final personal questions for it? Sure. I would just like to tag on very briefly to the end of what you said, Ron. And by saying also in it, you know, it's, and for some people, it's more than just quotes. It's actual documentation, declassified documentation. For example, the general ninth entwining memo, which I think is really important for people who are new to the subject and might be thinking, ah, you know, I hear a lot of people that are new to the subject. And they say, ah, people can make videos of anything now. I don't know.

You know, they don't believe. But it's like, go back to 47 and look at what the top commanding general of the top air technology. technology intelligence unit of the Air Force was saying as a private behind the scenes memo that came out 50 years later and he was saying they're not visionary not pretitious they're real they're metallic disc shaped they make no sound so it's like it's right there you know and i just would say yeah air air force regulation to 200 but yeah UFOs who knows is you know it's available on amazon and uh it's it's this wonderful compendium of 180 or so quotes from famous people and their bios. And that's, I agree, Ryan, it's wonderful to have a high credibility document.

You can show people and engage people that are not really interested in the topic or just of a lukewarm interest and try to get them enthused. Yeah, absolutely. You know, I told my sister, like, yeah, celebrities have seen UFOs. She's like, oh, yeah, who? I'm like, Snooki, Demi Lovato, Miley Cyrus. And she's like, oh, hold up. Okay.

Like, now we're talking. Now we're talking. So, again, yeah, I think it's such a cool sort of cohesive thing you guys have put together here. But I'll put links to the book and the show as well, guys. But last question for both of you guys. Anthony, first I read in your bio about this cool thing that you're doing, which is called the Teachers for Responsible UAP Education. True.

So could you tell us a little about that before we wrap things up? Yeah, well, I thought a long time for a cool acronym, and I finally found that one. So that was a big motivation for it, to be honest with you. But, no, I really did register a nonprofit. And yeah, I'm just looking forward to the future. And if we get more disclosure and maybe it's even something that can be proactive, you know, which it should be actually right now,

students should at the high school level, at the college level, maybe even earlier, should start learning about this, just the facts about it and ask the questions as a critical thing process. I think more people, if more people were educated about it, you know, I think it's just an extremely fascinating subject for all disciplines of study. So that's what true is. Yeah. And I'm, you know, working on. I have a couple of people. Actually, Ryan, I might ask you if you're interested. And yeah. So that's kind of what that is, Ryan.

That's pretty cool, man. And like I said, UFOs are making their way into academia more and more each day, whether it's historically, sociologically, religiously. Like, you're starting to hear of these courses pop up everywhere across the world in the college level, some in high school even, like you said, about. Academia is rough with the UFO subject, I have to say. Yeah. I hope we see a gradual shift, you know.

Yeah, for sure, for sure. Ryan, to wrap things up with you, I'd love to hear just a little bit more about your book AI eophologist. Now, this is an interesting, you know, AI is the talk right now. It's all the craze, you know. So what does AI have to do with the future of the UFO research? Well, the charm of going to a UFO conference or sitting around a table with people that are knowledgeable is that you get all these different perspectives and knowledge bases in a dynamic conversation. And that's what can be enabled with this tool.

in essence, a half million pages of perfect recall and cross correlation is not possible with human beings. And it is possible with AI. And it keeps getting better and better. And so that is where I wanted to go with it and allow people to ask their questions. And for me, it started like, this is my business. I was doing research on nuclear fusion with our AI tool at electric fusion systems. And then decided, well, what happens if I just give it a bunch of data from UFOology and ask a question? And so I did that.

And I got, you know, I asked it, what's the ET agenda, which is the first question everybody adds. and why are they here? What do they want? And the answer was so good in 30 seconds. And then I asked another question. Why do they abduct humans? Why do they keep it secret? And dot, dot, dot.

For the next 30 questions that fascinated me, I encapsulated that into this book, the AI uphologist, using this tool. I kept adding more data to it. And it became an obsession for several days. I was like going 16, 18-hour days. I was just like unbelievable.

This is so interesting. You know, you'd remember a lot of it because you've been familiar with the UFO field for a long time. But what blew me away was, oh, yeah, well, I forgot 50% of that. Or I didn't understand all that. That's a great insight.

And so these are the things that captivated me and force me to write that. And it'll go into a second or third edition as to add more questions, and the data set gets bigger and bigger, and the AI reasoning gets sharper and clearer. And so it will turn into a sort of, I'm imagining a website where maybe there's a paywall,

maybe there's not a paywall, but something low where people can ask their questions, or the research questions. You know, give me all the sightings in, you know, Ithaca, New York, for example, or London, England. Give me the names, the dates, the witnesses, and the sources. And so it will spew out. I mean, I'm in my grand vision, okay, write a peer review.

viewable paper around UFO crash propulsion and cite all the references and generate it all the footnotes and just and then you edit it and turn it in. Or things like that. And so that's where I think it will go in a few years. But right now I'm just trying to get more and more data into it. The whole thing is about managing the garbage in, garbage out, make sure there's quality data. Right now, I have maybe 750 books

that have been scanned in OCR, a massive number of periodicals, FBI files, National Archives files. So it's a mix of official known documents as well as people's work in creating, you know, books. And so I went with sort of a higher level of sophistication in euthology. Is anybody that writes a book, stands up and says, this is what I did and researches it and I'm proud of it. You know, you can trust the information a lot more than some internet

blog. Right. Yeah, but just the way it is. Very, very good point. That's so fascinating. I do look forward to the evolution of that as well. But before we go, guys, most important question of all, where can we get the book? And Anthony, we'll go with you first man. Where can we find everything that you're up to? Yeah, our book is on Amazon, UFOs, who knows? And for me, I have a YouTube channel called Expanded Knowledge with an X, and I share some of my research and videos there.

So those are basically the main places. Awesome. Yep. We'll put links in the show notes. Ryan, how about you? Well, I mean, besides who knows, I have magic eyes only, all about UFO crashes on Amazon, as well as the AI uphologist and alien viruses that my father did. And so there's a lot of stuff if you go to the author page on, you know,

Ryan S. Wood. There's a lot of the crash retrieval conference proceedings that are available as well. So I'm happy with where things are going and the progress in the field. Absolutely. Yeah, we really are living in exciting times when it comes to this topic. And I think you guys have made it a lot more exciting with this book. So I highly recommend it to everyone out there. Go check it out. guys. And I have to thank you guys. Anthony for returning, Ryan, for speaking to you for the very first time. Guys, thank you so much for joining me on Somewhere in the Skies. Yeah, thank you, Ryan. And thanks for your feedback on the book. It was really nice to hear your viewpoint and your

feedback. So thank you. My pleasure is all mine. Thank you, Ryan, as well. The Somewhere in the Sky's podcast is part of the Lionsgate Sound Network. Please take a moment to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever possible. Thank you for listening.