Somewhere in the Skies - Witness Accounts Megasode: Volumes 1-7

Episode Date: September 14, 2022

The most popular episodes of the podcast have always been our Witness Accounts series. Ryan is often asked where listeners can find these episodes all in one place. And he finally has an answer for you... right here! Having recently surpassed twenty volumes of this highly popular series, Ryan will be releasing 3 "mega" volumes of these powerful episodes where you, the listeners, submitted your UFO stories. In this collection, you'll hear some of Ryan's favorite stories in the early days of the podcast and you'll also hear two episodes of Witness Accounts recorded live at Alien Con Baltimore and Alien Con Los Angeles. It's over 4 hours of UFO stories where people, just like you, stared up and saw something truly mysterious somewhere in the skies. If you would like to submit your UFO story, reach out to Ryan on any of his socials or use the contact tab on the website. Ryan is now on Cameo! Book your video today at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan’s book in paperback, ebook, or audiobook: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Read Ryan’s Articles by CLICKING HERE Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at: https://bit.ly/3rJpbd7 Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2022 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm often asked what the most popular episodes of the podcast are. Well, I think most can agree that it's when I step aside and let UFO witnesses speak for themselves and tell their own UFO stories. This series is called witness accounts. And we have just recently surpassed 20 volumes of the series. So I thought it'd be cool. to collect all 21 volumes into three megasodes for you to listen to at your leisure. So today,

we start with the first seven volumes of witness accounts, which includes some of my favorite stories ever submitted to somewhere in the skies, including two live episodes that I recorded on site at AlienCon in Baltimore, Maryland, and Los Angeles, California. So, I hope you enjoy. And if you have a UFO story, you'd like to share on the show, reach out to me on Twitter at SomewhereSkies, on Instagram at SomewhereSkies pod, or use the contact tab on the website at somewhere in the skies.com. And remember, keep your feet on the ground, but never stop searching somewhere in the skies. Thank you for asking us to do this. I'm Vance Nesbitt, but I appreciate you asking and putting the word out there because I love to hear other people's.

UFO experiences. My experience, it was actually my first experience into anything strange or abnormal or paranormal, however you want to categorize it. But it was my first experience. I was either six or seven years old. We lived in a two-story house in the rural suburbs of Chicago.

What I mean by that, it was an undeveloped urban or suburban area. There were houses being built sporadically throughout the neighborhood, but it really was not a fully developed neighborhood yet. Anyway, the two-story house, my bedroom was up on the second floor along with my parents, and I was laying in bed,

and looking out the bedroom window, I had noticed this bright light just above the horizon, and it was through the trees, but off in the distance, but it was a relatively bright light, but it was similar to that of an aircraft. As you see, sometimes, you know, the aircraft has its landing lights on. There's a lot of candle power behind it, but it stayed there for what seemed like an odd amount of time.

But I didn't pay much attention to it because, again, I've never had an experience before. And I remember my mother calling my father. Now, my mom was in her bedroom reading a book, or at least I kind of remember that she was, reading a book and it caught her attention out her bedroom window and she called my father up from downstairs and i overheard their conversation of my mother saying that she's been watching this bright light in the sky for about 15 minutes and it's really not doing much and i flew up out of bed

and i ran in their bedroom i'm like yes i see it too i see it too and i was all excited as a kid and wow what is this and we watched it out their bedroom window now their bedroom window was more up picture window style, so it was a pretty relatively big window. But we all ended up going downstairs and outside into the backyard. At that time, the property was about one acre, and we stood out in the backyard, and we saw this light slowly approaching closer to us. It was getting larger and larger, but it was approaching closer to us, but it was moving so slowly.

And now looking back on it from that experience, I would guess that it was probably anywhere between 1,200 to 1,300 feet in elevation above us, but it was moving so slow and dead silent. There was no engine noise, nothing, just dead silence.

But as this, whatever it was craft, was coming overhead, none of us could identify an outlined image. We couldn't see it as a triangle or a round shape or an aircraft, anything. All we saw was this

front landing light, which is now not so bright because it was aimed forward. But as it started to approach overhead over our property and the surrounding homes, this bright light came on on the bottom of this craft. Now, it's not your typical UFO straight beam of white light. It lit up everything. And as far as I could see, it was lighting up everything. The neighbor's house, our yard, as far as I could see to the left and right. And it was such a profound and chilling experience, but it only came on for no more than three seconds.

And even three seconds is probably pushing it. It may have only been one full second to maybe two seconds, but looking back on it, you know, to count three seconds, that's what it might have been. The light went off, and this craft just kept floating whatever it was, because like I said, we could not see any defined edges of it. It was dark out. I don't remember if it was clear or cloudy, but I do remember we could not identify any edges to whatever this thing was other than that light on the front end of this thing as it was moving away. And we watched it for a total of about 40 minutes. From the time when I first noticed it off the horizon until it just drifted off out of sight behind the trees and we couldn't see it anymore.

But the strange thing is, you know, I don't remember to this day if I ever had a conversation with my mom and dad about what their opinion was about this whole thing. I'm sure we talked about it. I just don't retain any information after that. I think probably because all the neurons in the brain were firing as to what this strange experience was. it threw me into this whole world to begin with. So thanks for letting me share. Hi, my name's Kieran. I come from the West Midlands in England

and my UFO sighting took place early March 2013. I was with my brother at the time. We were on our way back from our weekly rugby session. On the way back we drive through a place called Romsley. It's on the outskirts of our hometown house of him. Romsley is a little bit of countryside. It's quite hilly and when you get to the top there's a huge open space and you can see for miles you can see Birmingham in the distance the city of Birmingham and as we've been nearing the top there's

tree lined either side of view with the occasional farmhouse and a huge white light caught my eye out to my right hand side and I slowed my car a little bit but it was difficult to focus on the light because of the tree line. My first instinct was maybe it was the motorway because there's a motorway that runs slightly parallel with the road I was taking but I soon realised that the motorway was in the distance. I could make that out. The light kept appearing and disappearing behind the trees. I slowed my car not to a stop but I slowed it dramatically. we kept

driving up towards the top of the hill my brother had spotted it too by this point as we neared the top the light got a lot bigger there was no one around which is just as well because I'm sure I would have annoyed them driving so slowly

eventually I put my brakes on I turned the engine off and pulled obviously I pulled over before I turned my engine off the light

all of a sudden became a shape at this point we were at the top of Romsley so it's that big open space I mentioned earlier the craft was I would say no more than

a thousand feet high and it was triangular at first I thought it was rectangular I remember saying to my brother you know it's oblong it's rectangular my brother said

I think it's triangular and he was right as my eyes focused on the shape a little bit more it became triangular we sat there probably for about 10 seconds staring at this thing going past us

if I'd have carried on driving at 30 miles an hour we would have outrun it easily. It was quite literally just cruising through the sky. The lights at this point, there were two lights. They were at the rear corners of the craft. There was no light in the centre and no light at the front, as is common with triangular crafts that I've looked into

before and since my sighting. Two lights were at the rear corners. what what hit me the most at the time was the silence of the craft

obviously we're near Birmingham City centre so we get a lot of planes in the sky from the airport

we also get a lot of helicopters flying around police helicopters and that and these were you know these fly

a much higher altitude than this craft was and you can hear them you know sometimes you can hear planes

yet you can't see them. But this thing was silent, deathly silent. There was no one else around. It was about, like I said, it's about quarter to ten. Quiet part of the road. And there was not a noise to be heard. My engine was off at this point. My window was down.

And we just could not hear a thing. That was very, very disturbing, actually. just watching this thing, this huge, I'd say I'd say the craft was probably around about a little smaller than a football pitch. That's a soccer pitch to any American listeners. A little smaller. It was, for that size, you'd think there would be a noise,

but there really wasn't. I have to emphasise the fact that there was no noise whatsoever. Eventually, the craft. did start to go past us I remember me and my brother constantly asking each other what the hell is this thing

we're both we're both big lads you know we can look after ourselves but this incident really scared us we were I remember I began crying and don't know why

I'm not ashamed to admit I began to cry shortly followed by my brother actually he began to cry Neither of us knew why. We couldn't explain why we were crying, but we were scared. It was petrifying.

I'm not a huge fan of aviation. I don't follow planes. I don't follow anything like that, but I could tell that it was something that I'd never heard of us seen or knew was out there, really. The craft eventually started to take over us, at which point I started my engine and began following it

we began going back down the hill and the tree line began to appear again and it kind of disappeared behind the trees and we could still see the light probably for another 200 yards 250 yards and the light eventually vanished and there was nothing there

we were still very scared I remember actually at the point of beginning my car again, I remember looking at the clock to see if the time was the same, because as I've alluded to previously, I do research a lot of this stuff, and missing time was on my mind at that time. I just wanted to make sure that nothing had happened that I wasn't aware of.

Fortunately, the time was about right. As we descended down, you begin to enter our hometown of Halso. becomes a bit more populated houses either side of you and in the distance you can see the church spire of how's I'm in

what was interesting was as we were right right on the outskirts of the town we saw this bright light in the sky just above the church probably about a mile in the distance and this light was going

up and it was fading as it was going up. What was interesting about it was, it wasn't fading because it was going, you know, because it was, it wasn't getting smaller because of the increased height. It seemed to just simply be fading out. And eventually after about five, ten seconds, it eventually disappeared. I'm not saying that that light is in any way related to what we saw. I just find it very interesting that, in the space of about a minute

we saw these two things they could be related but I'm not sure we were home probably about five minutes after seeing that light and the first thing we were both living with our parents at the time and the first thing we did when we walked in we were still visibly shaken

I remember having to wipe my eyes before I walked in to see my mum and dad and we told them what I'd happened and they kind of they looked at us as if you know are they having a laugh are they mocking us but at the same time

you could see they were slightly worried ever so slightly what's what pleases me is that my brother was with me at the time I'm the UFO nut of the family my brother very rarely shows an interest in it I could have a conversation

with him about it but it wouldn't hold his attention for too long. Yet, I'm glad he was with me because he validated everything I saw, he saw exactly what I saw, he felt what I felt. And that allowed people like my mum and dad, I guess, to believe me a little bit more because if I'd have been on my own, they probably would have doubted me thinking I'd made it up because that's something I've always wanted to see. But my brother's, my brother witnessing it as well, gave me a lot of crows. credence. I did a lot of credence to my story. I remember not, I couldn't get it out of my head. I rang my

partner at the time and told her what, what had happened. Again, she was, you know, she was kind of humouring me, I guess. She wasn't massively interested in it. And to this day, she's not massively interested in the subject, really. It, I felt alone a little bit. I spoke to my brother about it but he very quickly withdrew from the subject. I'm not sure whether he just didn't have an interest in it. I'm not sure whether it frightened him to the point that he didn't want to talk about it. I'm not sure. But he was very, he was very quiet.

And I felt alone. I didn't have anybody really to talk to. Didn't have anybody to turn to. Some people, you know, lent me support, of course, but it didn't quite feel like they were taking me as serious as I'd like them to have done and that that was the sighting really and then

really for the next few days I was still shaken and you know even now when I think about it I just can't get my head around what it was I saw I've spoken to my brother a few times since about it but nothing

too deep yeah so I mean in terms of what it was I have no idea It's something obviously I thought about quite a lot. Was it an alien craft? I don't know. Was it a government craft?

I don't know. It was definitely something that I've never seen. You know, I've never seen this type of craft on a documentary. I've never seen it at an airport. I've never seen it in a film, unless it's a sci-fi type film. I've never seen this craft. Yes, I personally, I... I'd like to think it was aliens because that's my, that's a passion of mine to, to research that kind of thing.

Whether it was or not, though, I'm really not too sure. Hopefully that's giving you a bit of, a bit of an in-depth into what it is I've seen. Interestingly, since that sighting, both me and my brother have seen more lights in the sky, shall we say, than I'd ever seen. for that. We both have a much more open mind now as to what it is that we're looking at in the sky. So yeah, that's me. Thank you very much for listening

to what I have to say. And I'll speak soon. Thank you. This is Scott Santa. I'm doing this on behalf of Ryan Sprague. I'm 61 years old, retired from the United States Coast Guard and disability retired from the Postal Service.

I was a Newfound Fielding Investigator for 24 years before I opted out. I had an experience in 1974, August, the date unknown. I was at a driving theater here in my local town. It was my first year of college. Not much going on that night, so I called a friend up and said, let's go see these movies. Which movie they were, I can tell you. But anyway, at the drive-in, we get to the drive-in.

It was a beautiful summer evening. Stars everywhere, clear as could be. Just a picture-perfect summer evening. Well, we parked in the back of the drive-in movie, obviously looking for chicks, and settled in to watch the movie. Well, just Not too long after we got there

We got some food and stuff Got back to the car And again settled in I noticed something out of the top of my eye And Before I could react There was this huge Chevron

Thing For lack of better words I want to call it a flying craft But It came from the west flying from the northwest actually to the southeast

and it came just like right over top of the driving theater picture the screen and it was its speed of advance might have been 10 miles an hour it just seemed to float rather than fly

it wasn't bobbing and it never deviated from its flight flight path, but it was entirely black. There were no lights, and there was absolutely no sound. I mean, there wasn't any sound anywhere. I could see people getting out of the car and pointing up. I looked at my friend Mike, and I said, are you seeing this? He said, oh, what the hell is that?

We got out of the car, and we watched. Well, as the craft, for lack of a better word, after the entirety of the craft was centered over the drive-in parking area, all the lights went out. The movie stopped, lights in the concession stand, everything went black. It just went dark. And that was kind of freaky. Nobody was running away or panicking, and I could tell people were pointing and looking each other, like trying to affirm that everybody was seeing when everybody else was seeing, and that was the case. About that time, my ears popped.

I mean, they really popped, and I felt like I was in a vacuum, and the best way to describe it would be like, if you're walking underwater. It was, you can almost see the air shimmer around you. And it was very difficult to focus and difficult to hear anything. I could hear Mike. He was on the other side of the car, but I couldn't hear anything else. Yeah, but we kind of just stopped talking to each other at that point and we're looking.

up and this thing it was so close at least it appeared that close I felt like I could have picked up one of the gravel rocks and hit this thing if I threw it as hard as I could now this thing was huge I mean to tell you

I'm guessing three football fields for lack of a better word it outflanked the length of the drive-in parking. At least it appeared to do so for my vantage point. And it was very strange. And like I said, it didn't travel fast.

So we got a good look at this thing. And it just kept on going. Again, 10, maybe 15 miles and out. It took a long time for it to get over. And we stood there and watched it. and about the time it got to the rear end of the driving theater parking lot, which behind it was undeveloped country back in that day. But when it got to that point where it had cleared the back of the parking lot,

the movie came on, the lights in the concession stand came on, everybody's car came on if they had it on. You could hear horns honking at this point. And I watched this. thing until it disappeared. It never deviated its flight path. It just kept going straight, straight and straight. That shimmering, that odds effect, if you will, ceased when it got over the back of the drive-in theater. And here's where the really weird part, as weird as all that was, when that, I watched till it disappeared over the horizon, which might have been 15 minutes, 10 minutes.

And then I just got back in the car along with Mike and we watched the movie. I remember at one point, and we never talked about it. At one point, I remember going to the back of the concession stand where the restrooms were. And nobody said a word about this thing. Nothing. And we did my business, of course, and everybody was kind of mute and mumbling, you know. and I just got back in the car with Mike. We finished the movie, at least I think we did, and we left.

And I never, we never talked about it. And that's what was weird. I would have thought that the whole place would have huddled and gathered together and tried to figure, nobody said a thing. And I left, I dropped Mike off apparently, and went home. Now, I have no idea how long that all. took. I don't remember

looking at my watch or checking, and I'm just assuming that I, that this sighting took place over a matter of 20 minutes maybe. It could have been much longer. That's just a guess, though. I have

no recall. But I do remember feeling very strange when it was over top of us. Again, no lights, no sound, no Spotlights, nothing, just black. Well, I kind of forgot about it, believe it or not. And a couple years later, I happened to be in a bookstore.

And I saw Edward Rupelt's book, the report on Unidentified Flying Objects in the store. And I picked that book up and thumbed through it. And when I did, it was like a floodgate opened. bang, this whole experience came, emerged into my consciousness and I relived it again and thought, wow. Now, this wasn't a saucer or anything. This was a chevron, as best I can describe it. It was not a triangle. It was a chevron.

And at that point, I never looked back and I have been, in UFO uphology ever since. What do I believe it was? I really don't know. I got to think it wasn't from here from planet Earth.

I just, from what I remember, I got to think it was otherworldly. I was not frightened during the whole event, and I wasn't scared. didn't seem to be. Of course, we never exchanged feelings or anything, so

it actually, when I look back on it, I mean awe that I had the opportunity to witness something as awesome as this was. But never was there a feeling of threat or harm.

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And that's my story, basically. There's not much other detail. I have never queried in the paper and asked for affirmation from anybody else in this town, especially with this, the way UFOs have emerged into consciousness of the planet, basically, so much different now than when it was when I was a young punk in college. but now I don't think it would be too good of an idea for me to report this and I'm not even quite sure how I would go about phrasing a question if I were to put something in the paper and ask for

somebody to step forward and say were you there or yeah I was there but I'm afraid of what might come out of the woodwork I just I don't need the affirmation personally I know like the movie says I know what I saw and that's that. Again, the strange thing is, is the disappearance of action or remembering of the event until a little bit later when I was prompted by that book. So, again, that's my story. I thank you, Ryan, for listening to me.

and for taking this report, and I hope this helps somebody else along the way deal with the experience. Some people may not deal with it too well. And I might add, I have never consciously, have no recall of ever seeing something again. A couple of bright lights moving really weird when I was in the service out the middle of the ocean. Yeah, but never anything I could identify as a craft. But I did see lights in the ocean, or I should say in the sky above the ocean that didn't act normal, zigzag, back and forth, that type of thing. So that was a little strange too. But anyway, that's it.

Ryan, thank you so much. I appreciate it. And I hope this helps somebody deal with their event. And best of luck to all. My name is Brian Smith. I was born in 12, 12, 51. I was raised in a small town of Pearl, Illinois, on Route 100, about 140 miles north of St. Louis on the Illinois River. I had some friends that worked at the fish market, and occasionally I'd go down there. It was kind of warm that night. and we were standing there alongside the river, and looking north I saw a light coming down the river,

and I thought it was a barge at first. And I kept watching it, but it didn't look like a barge light. It was about where a barge light should have been, maybe a little higher, but it didn't sweep back and forth. It was just a bright point of light to look at, and it continued to move toward us down the river, toward the south. And I called Bem over there, Michael Shanks, His nickname was Bim.

And I said, what is that? And he said, that's our UFO. And I said, you're kidding me. And he says, no, he said, you keep watching. It'll come down here. It'll go up over the railroad bridge right here in front of us. He said, it'll turn, and it'll fly right up there over the top of the power tower. We had a coal-fired power plant town, and one of the power lines ran over the top of the mine hill.

There was a quarry, rock quarry, a mine in there. As we watched, this thing came down the river, came up over the bridge just like he said it would. It turned, and now as it's passing us, it couldn't have been more than just, I don't know, closer than a quarter of a mile. I would say, probably close to an eighth of a mile. It's a railroad tract right by us.

And it went up and hovered over this power line tower. We jumped in my 70 Charger RT, and we drove up a farmer's road to get to it. We drove out into this field. There was a steep, ruddy hill that we had to go up. It was narrow. We got up there, and just as soon as we pulled into the alfalfa field, where we could see it, it started to move away towards the southwest. It crossed over town, turned south, and headed down over O. Pearl.

and we turned the car around and back down the hill, and we went down to the Gasville Hill Spring, down Route 100, about a mile, and turned north, turned west, up a gravel road, past Gasfield Hill Spring, up onto the prairie. And we came to an intersection up there, and we stopped, and we started looking around for it. We didn't see anything but stars at that point, but in a moment it just popped on and appeared over a field,

not too far from us. I would say it was probably might have been 100 feet off the ground. It wasn't very high. And we watched it and it flew a little ways. We was still looking west.

And this disc was probably about 30 feet in diameter. Brilliant white to look at. Never made a sound. And it flew off towards the south. And over time, I learned that it came through

three to four times a week around midnight. And we chased it several more times after that. But one night I was with another friend of mine in his mom's car, Leslie Allen. And we was coming from the roller skating rink that night. And he didn't know about this thing.

I hadn't told him. And we was pulling into town, and I saw it hovering over the... It was about 11.30 at night. Saw it hovering over the tower. I told him, I said, just inside the sandbags here, there's a levy that goes around the town. I said, pull over, we'll get out and we'll watch this thing. So we got out of the car and we're standing there watching it and we're right in the town limits. Pearl's not very big.

He had a population of around 500 back then. And it looked to me like the light was getting bigger. But it wasn't, it was coming straight at us. and it flew down and hovered just, I don't know, maybe four or five, six feet above the road, right in front of us, just a few steps from us. And we was looking toward the east at this point. It had a black area. It was narrower at the top, wider at the bottom.

And I don't know, I would say it was, I'm going to say it was 30 feet across, but it was a deep dish saucer. It wasn't thin, but it wasn't an normal. either. And I was standing there kind of mesmerized by it. I thought, oh, it's beautiful. And Bush was frightened by it. He jumped in the car, and

his excitement, he put it in drive instead of reverse. I just barely got out of the way, and I jumped in the car on to move. And by the time I got the door shut and he hit the brakes, I looked through the windshield, and I was looking straight up at this thing just a few feet above the car. And it just never made a sound. It just lifted up. Went towards the south

on the same route that I'd seen it go before and it just flew away. Now, we went home and to tell my mom and dad about it. And dad and Gina, my sister, Gina, had just come in from feeding the ponies at the farm. And they had seen it flying away.

way too. And they was talking about it when we got there. They came in a, what we called a shortcut. It was the back way to the house. We went around the long way through town. So we told him what we saw and Gina believed me, but Dad didn't. He said, oh, it had to be a helicopter or something. I said, no, it wasn't. But that's what we saw. And to me, it mesmerized me. I had seen it before, and I was fascinated with it. Leslie, on the other hand, he was spooked by it. He did not like it

and didn't want to be around it. Certainly didn't want to be that close to it. It was definitely a flying saucer. Other than that, that changed my life since I had been told. There's no such thing as ghosts, and we was raised in a haunted house. There's no such thing as aliens or flying saucers

were the only creatures that God ever made. and I found out that both were untrue. The paranormal does exist. Aliens and flying saucers do exist. And I've been investigating these things since 1970. But I hope that everyone understands that when you see something like that, whether you believe in or not, especially if you don't believe in it, once you see something like that, your life has changed forever.

There's no going back. I grew up in the country where our light pollution was really low. Every night the sky was littered with stars. And from a young age, I began to study the constellations with my grandfather. And my father taught me the differences between airplanes at night versus satellites and shooting stars. There were a couple separate events that took place over the course of one summer. The first was a pulsating light, the size of a star, but much closer. It moved slowly from left to right, then back.

It did this over the course of three days, or rather three nights. I watched it long enough, it almost began to feel like whatever I was watching, knew I was watching. It was then on the third day that once it moved to its position on the right, it moves faster diagonally down to the left, then shoots off diagonally up to the right. It was so fast when it disappeared, it was as if nothing was there. And this feeling was left over you that you just felt like you had no idea how to process. Like your eyes just had no idea what it just saw. Later on, in about the same airspace, another pulsating light traveled across the sky,

about as fast as an airplane, only to shoot off at what, seemed to be hyper speed again in a way where your eyes just had no time to process what it just saw. It was then at the end of summer, and this was in 2004, that things ended up kind of crescendoing. I had a friend over, and we were set up to stargaze. It was about the blue hour when the stars were just beginning to show in the sky, and there was just a little bit of light left from the sun, and the moon was out. And we were sitting where we had a, a big rock garden full of different kinds of rocks that were like agates and stuff. So it wasn't your normal gravel or stones.

And so it made a very distinct sound when you walked on it, kind of like a ting instead of a scrape or a crunch. And we began to hear these sounds that sounded like footsteps. And we both ended up looking behind one another and saw nothing. and our fear grew to the point where the fight or flight mode kicked in and we ran as fast as we could back into the house. And then we, you know, ran straight into our room. And my room was on the very top floor. There was no way that anybody could get up to my room unless they had a ladder. And the yard was kind of at a slope.

And so it wouldn't have been really safe to do so. anyways. So, you know, there we were back in the house. We felt safe. We thought everything was fine. And we were sitting on the bed and I was facing my door and my friend was facing my window. And all of a sudden, my friend, she just, she starts, she freaks out and she throws herself on the bed. Her face is buried in the pillows. I can't get her to tell me what's wrong. and finally when I was able to kind of have her sit up and tell me what was wrong, I saw that she was crying, which she really wasn't known to do. And so she finally told me what was wrong.

And all she could say was that she saw what looked like elongated fingers waving at her from outside my window. My name's Tom. I live in the UK. I'm a senior consultant, a planning and development company in the Midlands. So I've had an interest in UFOs since I was about 16. As a bit of background, myself and my best friend at the time were sitting on the top of my parents' roof during the summer in the little village that I grew up in in Surrey. and we were just larking around really perfect sunny summer's day not a cloud in the sky and my friend pointed up to something he had seen in the sky and i had a look and it was essentially the classic silver disk floating through the sky probably about a mile away but very large and just just very strange looking

instantly knew it was something that we had never seen before. We couldn't work out what it was. But yeah, it was moving very strangely. It was spinning, but moving very slowly through the sky. And it had this sort of wobble to it, which I've since that time, I've seen videos of silver discs. When they move slowly, they seem to sort of wobble. But yeah, so that got us interested.

It got me very interested. interested and I've been sort of researching it ever since. So yeah, that's how I got into it. But basically the story I want to tell you is basically one from October 2016. I live in the Midlands now, but I grew up in that village I just told you about. And my parents and friends, a lot of my friends still lived there. So I was going back at the weekend, like I sometimes do, to visit friends and family. I'd been out around my brother and his wife's house, who live about six miles away from my parents' house.

It's very, it's very countrified place. It's all sort of woodlands and little villages and hills. It's very beautiful. So yeah, I'd been watching a movie around their house until quite late. It was the thing that was about half 12. And I started sort of thinking about going home. So I said my goodbyes, started driving back the way I normally drive back down a country sort of road, which is very straight, which runs through the Surrey hills. Same thing I've done countless times, hundreds of times in the past.

And as I was turning the corner to go onto this stretch. heading towards the direction of my parents' house. At the end of the straight to one side, there's a field on the right-hand side. And then on the left-hand side, there's another field, but with hills beyond that. Essentially, at the end of the straight, I saw this orange pulsing light, very large,

and just sort of hang in there in the sky. It looked very odd instantly and I was perplexed. So driving quite fast down this straight as I started approaching this light, I realized it was just hanging 20 metres above the ground in the field to my right. And it was pulsing. It was like this sort of burn orange light pulsing. Very, very strange, very strange. As I drove alongside it, I could see that the light was attached to something big and black.

I couldn't see the outline of it. I just knew there was something very large and black, just hanging there in the sky. The pulsing orange light was just sort of mesmerizing, and it made it very hard to see what was beyond there. but it was it was just very strange so i started sort of getting a bit flustered as you would as my mind was racing trying to think what it could be nothing was really adding up as i drove past it i slowed down wow my windows down and it made absolutely no noise whatsoever but it was just sitting there in the sky um not far off the ground

with this pulsing orange light. So obviously this blew my mind. I drove alongside it. Like I said, I started driving past it. At that point, I was very aware that the thing had started moving. So it was kind of heading parallel with my car. So every time I was, I looked right, it was there. I drove to the end of the straight quickly, as you can imagine.

starting to sort of get a bit panicky, heart rate starting to race, because it felt like this thing had been triggered by my passing it. At this point it was about quarter to one in the morning. No one around on the roads. So I drove to the end of the straight. I know these roads are the back of my hand, so I was going very fast to try and shake this thing because it was starting to worry me.

So I got to the end of the straight, I drove around the corner to the right. There's a few windy corners going up a little hill. But it was always there. It was always there on my right-hand side. It was moving over hedgerows. It was moving over trees. Only a little way above tree-top height.

But it was always there. If I couldn't see it directly parallel to my right, I would look in the mirror, my wing mirrors, and it would be there. And so I basically decided to take evasive action. So I took a very sharp left down this little lane, which goes past a special school for kids. And as I was driving towards this point, it was on my right over this school, this public school golf course on the right-hand side. As I shot left, I thought, well, I probably lost it.

As soon as I look up the road, I notice it's above me now. So I'm looking through basically the lane that I was driving down had trees either side with a sort of canopy closure over the lane, but with a tiny gap in the middle where you could see through the limbs of the trees. And it was there. It was basically hovering above my car at this point. It was at this point I started to really gas it. I could sort of feel my pulse in my neck pounding. My heart was racing. I was starting to sort of really panic, actually. It was quite unsettling because it felt like this thing was following me.

And to all intents and purposes, that's the impression I was getting from it. Being into this field, I've read countless stories about abduction. and stuff like that. So you can imagine what was going through my mind. I just wanted to get home. I mean, I always thought if I saw another one, I would want to stop and I would want to look at it and I'd want to take it all in.

But at this point, I wanted to get out of there. So I drove down the end of this road. It's very windy. And it was always there above me, but then it fell back, or it seemed to sort of drop back a bit as I got to this T-junction, which was the last junction before this final road, which is a bit more well-used towards the village that my parents live in,

so the western end of the village. So I turned right down there, I couldn't see it anymore. I was like, wow, what an experience. But that was in the end of it. Basically, I drove, as I was driving down this straight, towards the T-junction back in the village, I could start to see the lights of the street lights. As I was probably about 100 metres away from the end of this little straight towards this T-junction,

I suddenly became acutely aware that there was something to my right. I looked right and through the last few trees lining this side of the road, I could see the pulsing orange light again. And it was coming parallel with my car again over the house tops, because there's a few sporadically sort of located houses along that side of the road as I'm starting sort of enter civilization again. And yeah, I could see it through the trees, parallel with me again, very, very low, just above house top height, two-story house height.

And it was going to cut me off. I knew it was. going to cut me off at the junction at the end of the road. So all I could do was I sped up, I got to the T junction, there's no one around. So I just stopped the car, turned it off, had my windows wound down, and I just waited for the thing to come over. And it did. It flew directly across from my right hand shoulder, across and over the road, and hovered at a height of must have been about 30 meters above the trees on the opposite side of the road, where there's a block of flats, a low-rise block of flats.

So it was in between these trees and these low-rise block of flats. And it was just sitting there. But the weird thing was, as my mind was sort of boggling at this thing as it flew over and making absolutely no noise whatsoever, pulsing orange light was still there, and it made it very hard to see what this thing that it was attached to was like. but my, what I remember of the shape was it wasn't a typical sort of silver disk. It looked, it had similar sort of characteristics,

but it looked kind of like a more like a closed shell, seashell, if you kind of catch my drift. And on the side of the seashell that would be the sort of joint side, that side was facing me, so it tapers off behind that. It came across and on the side that was facing me, there was this, what I can only describe as a huge window, some sort of viewing gallery. I mean, it was probably about maybe eight or nine feet, ten feet across. In this window, I was staring at it and I could see figures. There was a figure, the silhouette of a figure, standing at the window looking in my direction.

I couldn't see whether it was human or what, but it had a head, two arms and a body. That's all I can tell you about that. But I could see in the background there was stuff going on behind this figure. There were two separate figures which were doing things in the background. It looked what I would sort of have thought maybe they were trying to, they were doing things. conducive with operating this craft. And yeah, as it came over, like I said, it hovered above these trees on the opposite side of the road.

My jaw was on the floor. I was just looking at it, trying to sort of get my head around what it was I was seeing. Nothing really prepares you for that sort of encounter. So I decided to floor it. know, common sense. Now I would have got out and photographed the bloody thing. But yeah, it was just one of those situations I felt in peril, essentially. And I just wanted to get back to my folks' house. So I turned right. I sped off down the road. I turned round to look at this

thing one last time to see what it was doing. And the last thing I saw of it, it cruised off over the top of these block of flats, low rise block of flats and towards the field beyond it. I sped home, I couldn't get out of my car for probably 20 minutes because I was absolutely petrified. I couldn't sleep that night. When I eventually got into the house, I couldn't sleep. I was up all night.

I was looking on the web to try and find someone to report it to. I actually found a UK-based investigation organization called Beams, who I reported it to. They asked me to draw pictures and stuff like that, which I did. Yeah, kind of changed my life. The next day I spoke to my parents.

I sort of came down stairs, looking at a bit worse for wear. Apparently I was a sort of grey colour. My brother had just come around who I'd been at his house the night the incident happened. And I basically explained to them what happened. And yeah, they believed me. They know I'm not one to sort of talk shit essentially. So that was mad.

Yeah, that was crazy. So that stayed with me for a long time. And since that time, I've seen this thing definitely another two times. but always at the same time, the same sort of time period. So it seems to be between half 12 and half one in the morning. So I don't know whether I was just on its rounds, so to speak, or in the path of its rounds that it's doing.

But yeah, I've seen the same thing, not quite as close as that, but it's definitely the same thing, which I'd be more than happy to tell you about. but it's one of those areas it's it's a bit of a hot spot i believe um i'm certainly believing that because i've seen these things a few times now plus i had the sighting when i was 16 my one of my best friends he got some good footage of these orbs which hang out under the thunder clouds um just down the road from there there's there's a lot of stuff going on in that area but um yeah so that's that's the main story I'd have to tell and, you know, it blew my mind and has only sort of made me more

interested in the subject. If I was to give my opinion as to what it was, whether it was E.T or one of ours, I don't believe we've got that sort of stuff. I mean, it's not impossible, but I just don't buy it. To fly it so bold as brass and so blatantly, it just doesn't make sense that it would be one of ours. Plus we've got a, our military is pretty poor nowadays. So I don't know, I just don't think we'd have that sort of stuff going on. And the fact that it just made no noise, no obvious means of propulsion.

Very odd looking. and very dark color, almost like it was kind of dark for a reason, you know, kind of blended in with the sky. But yeah, so that's it. You're great at protecting your data, but lots of places could still expose you to identity theft. I thought it was safe. If that happens, LifeLock gives you a U.S.-based restoration agent who will stick by your side from start to finish.

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And I had reconnected with my best friend from high school. was working with him. And one day, we were talking about paranormal stuff around the area. And he said, hey, do you know so-and-so? Well, So-and-so was a real good friend of my dad's. We'd known the family forever. And he said, there's something happening out near his place. And I'm like, what? And he said, well, people have seen all sorts of things, heard all sorts of things. And there are these lights that nobody can explain. Well, we decided that we would head out to that area. Not too far from their place was a cemetery. And we went out and parted at the cemetery

and got out. And I would be real honest. I don't remember how many times we went out there before I saw something. I know it wasn't very many. The night that I first saw something, it was one of those huge, bright full moons.

And it was late summer, I think. Man, it was gorgeous, just bright. I mean, almost daylight bright, that kind of moon. Standing out in the middle of the cemetery, all of a sudden this light, I don't know any other way to describe it than this light came on. It just clicked. There was no beginning.

There was no getting stronger. There was no nothing. It was just suddenly this huge white pearl in the sky. It wasn't right next to the moon, but it was fairly near. Near enough that it was light enough. There was no way there was anything behind. it. It wasn't, I mean, it was perfectly still, so of course it wasn't a plane. It wasn't a helicopter. It wasn't a flare because there was nothing to it. Nothing exploded. Nothing came up behind it. Nothing at all. And it hung there for, I think this one was just a few seconds and just went out. No fading, no breaking up, no nothing. Just clicked on, clicked off. I had never seen anything like it before in my life. And I've seen so many different things.

You know, every kind of aircraft, every kind of satellite, every kind, you know, everything you'd imagine I've seen. This was big. You know, if you'd held a dime up to it, it was like dime size from my point of view. I couldn't tell how far away it was. I couldn't tell anything like that. But it was a light, a light not attached to anything, a light not part of anything, just a light. In the times that I went back, I saw multiple.

I saw one or two or three. I saw three come on at once and then go off at once at the exact same time. I saw them pop on one at a time, and by the time the last one in a row had gone on, the first one was going off. Not synchronized, but in that kind of staged effect. Never once ever did I see any place that this stuff came from, any sort of... There wasn't... It was just a light that just... turned on and turned off.

Sometimes they were smaller, sometimes they were larger. Sometimes there was one. Sometimes there was five or six. Sometimes it would be minutes in between lights. Sometimes it would be seconds. I've even seen it where lights would come on, go off, and then it was half an hour, an hour before more came on. So after having experienced this multiple times,

I was at a conference and talked to someone who was giving a talk on phenomenon around the world. One of the phenomenon that was mentioned rang a bell. So I connected with this guy and realized that we were talking about the same thing. And after that, I was invited to actually go on the property where most of the activity had been. Now, there were other things that other people saw, but the lights were the main thing that I saw. I saw little things. but the gentleman who spoke that I connected with had been out there multiple times, was out there multiple times while I was out there,

did a considerable amount of research, working, testing, everything you can imagine, and had not, the last time that I was there and saw him, had not come up with anything. Other people had apparently been out there and had not been able to come up with anything. So definitely not something that's easy to make sense of or to figure out. It would go away for months. I think it's gone away for years at a time, and then it would come back. Last for years and go away. Last for months and go away.

There was no predicting it. All times of year, all times of night, from early dark to early in the morning. I've had the privilege to see it. I can't even tell you how many times we were going out there every weekend for several years. I can't explain what this phenomenon means. meant to me or did to me. I would walk down into the field by myself and just look up and watch these lights. I felt something. I felt, I'm not saying these were aliens. Absolutely not at all. It didn't even seem like that, although people had experiences with craft and things of that

nature in this whole area, not just this land. But this felt in my soul like an intelligence reaching out to me. It was profound. It was magical. It was, it moved me to my very core then, and the thought of it can move me to my very core now. Just a bunch of lights in the sky, but they were amazing, perfect, round, pearls of light that would appear and disappear without a sound or movement or shadow or mark. Amazingly perfect, signs of something that we needed to pay attention to. I just wish that I had been there for the rest of the message and not just the first part. It's been 20 years. I hope I see it again someday, although I'm far, far away from there now. I hope that someday I get the answer. Me and my wife

were both musicians. We were playing a gig that night out in the suburbs of Chicago, and we were driving to that gig it was probably around 5, 6 in the afternoon it was still daylight out and if you ever lived or have been to Chicago you know that usually no matter where you're driving there's a lot of cars all around you and we were driving along

I can't remember which highway it was maybe highway 290 is there 290 or 295, or 294, I can't remember. Anyways, it was pretty much bumper to bumper traffic, except the traffic was flowing at about between 45, 55 miles an hour, and so it was a nice steady flow. And we're driving, I'm driving the car this time,

and my wife's in the passenger seat, and I look up ahead of, in traffic, and I saw this black balloon descending out of the air. I had no idea where it came from. It was just, you know, I just looked and it was just there. And it's descending towards traffic. And I kind of nudged my wife and said,

hey, check out that balloon up there in front of us. I don't know why I felt the urge to tell her about it, but I just had this weird feeling about it. And she looked in the sky. and goes, oh, that's just an airplane. And I go, no, no, no, not the airplane. Because there was an airplane in the sky. I said the balloon out in front of us,

because this balloon was descending towards traffic, and she saw it. And she was like, oh, well, that's weird. And we're watching it. And it's getting close to the cars at this point. And my wife was, like, getting a little concerned. She's like, oh, no, it's going to go into traffic. And I said, you know, that's a lot.

not a big deal. It's just a balloon. You know, the wind from the traffic is going to blow it back up in the air and it's going to flip around and do its balloon stuff. Not a big deal. Don't worry about it. So, right when it's about to, like, hit that point when it's about to, you know, flip back up in the air, I'd say we're, you know, a good three to four cars are back from this thing. And, We're both watching it, waiting for it to go back up in the air, except that's not what it did. It came down and went right above a car in the far left lane, and it stopped right above the roof. I mean, like, I mean, maybe a foot above the roof at the most, two feet maybe, I don't know, but not that far from the roof. And when it got there, it stopped.

and it like locked onto the car. I don't know how else to say it. Like it started tailing the car. Okay. And you have to understand that all the wind and everything did not affect this thing. It was like it was attached to some sort of, you know, rod or something that would be attached to the roof of the car. That's how still and how rain in line with this car. It was. It was just tailing it. It was matching its speed. Remember, we're going

45, between 45, 55 miles an hour. And it matched every movement of this car, going around the turns. And right then I was just like, oh man, what the hell is going on? And then I watched it ascend back up in the air. But when it went back up in the air, it went straight up in the air. it was still keeping pace with the cars underneath it. It was still going at the same speed and going straight in the air. I mean straight. No weble wobbling or anything like that. And the wind didn't affect it.

Okay. And it went to the right to the next car over. And then it descended again and started tailing the next car next to it. the same thing as it was doing the other car, keeping pace with it, not moving, not budging, it just stayed there. And after it did that for a while, it rose back up in the air straight and it kind of stopped tailing the car, meaning that like it stopped going 45 to 55 miles an hour. It was like it was done with it, you know, and stopped going with the speed of traffic.

And at that point, when it was rising in the air, we drove, underneath it, like directly underneath it. And me and my wife both looked up in the air at it. And I saw it up close. It wasn't, this wasn't some light in the sky thing. This was in broad daylight up close. It was not that high above our car when we drove underneath it. And it was a solid black ball, round ball.

It was solid. There's no wings, no exhaust, no propellers, nothing, no means of any propulsion on it. It was aerodynamically impossible. How does a solid round ball with none of those features even do anything, let alone do a maneuver in the way that it did? without any kind of turbulence or air or anything affecting this movement. Like it was like, I don't know, it was like outside of everything. You know, I don't know how else to say it. Kind of like, you know, like you hear about maybe it was warping the space time or gravity around it or something like that.

Maybe there's some sort of bubble it was in that everything else, just it didn't affect it. I don't know. That's all I have to say. The only other thing I can think of is if it was maybe some sort of mesh material that was so

woven so tightly that it appeared like it was solid, like it was a solid black. But even then, that still wouldn't be, it wouldn't be able to do what it did. That would indicate maybe there were propellers inside of it,

but like if it was mesh, a mesh wiring, or fabric or whatever that was so tight that it appears completely solid and I mean solid black just a solid object that it would there's no way that there's no way it could do it it did you know what I mean there's no way there's no way as we drove under it and was you know we got past it and I really want I wish I could have just kept looking at it but I had to drive you know I couldn't wreck the car and I was just sitting there thinking, I didn't see that.

That didn't happen. I was like trying to like pretend like it didn't happen. And then I looked at my wife and she started screaming and going, what the hell was that? And just yelling at me. And that was when I was like, okay, I did see that. I'm not making that up. That just happened.

And we went to the gig and we went one of my other bandmates. And a good friend of ours was there, and we looked at him, and we go, we think we just saw a UFO on our way here. And he just kind of looked at us and smiled and gave a little laugh. And that was it. We just didn't talk about it after that. And we went on over night, played the gig, had a good time. And then afterwards, got on the Internet, you know, to try and...

I just did a search for, you know, circle drones or spherical drones. And I found a video of a thing that the Japanese government made, the sort of drone that they made where it was a circle, but it was a wire frame. Like, you could see the propellers and the different, like, little wings and things that help it move around inside it. You could see the inner mechanics of it. It was not the same thing as I saw. It wasn't solid at all.

It was wide and open. It was just like, if I remember correctly, it was just like two circle rims. It was an open thing. It wasn't solid black. And like I said, I could see the propellers in it. And this thing moved very, very similar to what we saw. It was the closest representation that I could see to tell, kind of show someone like what we saw.

But it wasn't that drone. There was a little bit, you know, you could tell that this drone still, like, it's like a helicopter or any other kind of propeller type of mechanism that has to obey the laws of physics, you know? Like there's little bobs and weaves in the way that it moves. It can't just go straight up and over and down. Like the thing that I saw it moved, it was moving in straight lines. direct straight lines. There was no kind of, I don't know how I'll describe it. So that was the only anything that I could find remotely close to it. And like I said, it wasn't it? A couple other things that happened is we reported it to the police. We called

the police and they got mad at us. We tried to be completely honest with them, but they thought we were trying to pull a prank on them and they scolded us a bit and they said to us sir there are things that we do that protect you that you don't know about and all this stuff and I was kind of like yeah but not this and you know that went nowhere

I even made a report to move on and they I don't know what I was expecting really to get from them they're pretty worthless because I I gave I wrote out a report form

and I got an investigator guy and I told the story just like I told you even like in the beginning I said I thought it was a black balloon at first until it moved this way then obviously it wasn't a black balloon and the only response I got back from the guy

was oh it must have been a black balloon so I pretty much wrote them back and I don't think I was very nice I tried to be nice, but I was like, listen, buddy, you're worthless, so just forget about it, basically. You know, I feel bad for kind of being, I was just frustrated. And that's pretty much it. All as I know is I witnessed a technology that did operate it in a way that it shouldn't have operated. It's a technology that, to me, from my limited understanding, defined the laws of physics.

well, let me say it defied our current understanding of physics, I should say. Or at least there's more to the picture than we know, obviously. And from that point on, I had to face the fact that

there's stuff out there that we don't know about that we call UFOs. They're in our sky. And they can do things that our technology can't. And I don't know. That's a number.

enough for me to, you know, I don't know who's flying them. I don't know where it came from, but it's not hard to extrapolate from what I do know for a fact, although it's not definitive that I will be correct on what I think it may or may not be, but we can, I think I can safely say it's pretty exotic, whatever it is. And whoever is controlling, it and made it, who is able to do those things, is also probably pretty exotic. So, you know, the world just became a really strange place. So that's my experience with the blackball. I've lived all my life in the Adirondack Park of northern New York. It's kind of a quiet, picturesque kind of place. If there's one town that stands out just by reputation,

It's Lake Placid just because it was the site of the miracle on ice in 1980. Other than that, the area is kind of unremarkable. It's beautiful in its landscape. You're surrounded by mountains. You're surrounded by trees. And it's a lot of beauty to take in, really. And where I live, it's a very dark and secluded place. It's a town of about 5,000 people.

And we have an observatory. There isn't a ton of light pollution up here. But when I moved to the town I live in now, which was about almost nine years ago, strange things started to happen. For about four years, you could see this object in the sky at night. I don't know what it was. I know it wasn't a satellite, and I know it wasn't a plane. But nearly every night you could see this red or white light in the sky flying usually lower than what an airplane would.

It made no sound. It would just fly in this slow manner over the town. And if you talk to people around town, they would tell you that they had seen it, that they didn't really think much of. it. Some friends I remember took Snapchat and are like, oh, hey, look, it's a UFO. And that's kind of how many of them look at it. And that's how I look at it. I don't know what it was. But I do believe that I actually saw this during the day. Three years ago, in June of 2015, I was at work. And it was about 10, 10.30 in the morning. And a friend had come down to grab me to go out for a break.

It was stuffy. I do the laundry at a medium-sized nursing home. So in the room where I am, it's really stuffy, like, all the time. At first, I turned him down for it. I had a lot of work to do at the time, and I didn't see the point. But he kind of just kept relenting. He was like, dude, just come on outside. You know, it would be fine.

So I relented, and we went outside. And where we take our breaks, it's technically off the property because as a nursing home, it's under like hospital rules so you can't smoke on the property. So we're standing on this corner and there's a house adjacent to us. We're just talking, you know, shooting the breeze and all that good stuff. We always just talked about, you know, music or whatever was happening in our lines. or whatever. And all of a sudden, I just looked up. And the sky was, it was bright blue that day.

I, you know, remember it clearly. There was no clouds in the sky. But there was this really strange object. If I had to describe it, it would be as if you took an egg, turned it on its side, blew it up. like 300 times the size of what a normal egg would be, you threw it up in the air and you somehow got it to stick and fly there. That's literally what it looked like. It had a white color to it.

It wasn't reflective at all. And it was moving parallel to where we were standing. And it was moving in that slow pace that that object we've been seeing for years and years was moving. And we both looked up at it, and we just stood there. That was the odd thing. We didn't jump around proclaiming, hey, look at this UFO. Hey, everybody, get a look at this UFO.

That's not what happened. We just stood there, and we watched it. It was, like I said, moving in that slow pace, parallel to where we were standing. It didn't seem like it was at a high elevation, but I really couldn't be too sure. It was large. It was really large, whatever it was. And we just didn't want to take a picture of it.

And I can't wrap my head around that to this day. Why didn't we want to take a picture of this? was it doing something to us that made us calm, that made us not even think about taking a picture? We had phones on us. We both had phones on us. And yet none of us took a picture. It was so weird. And I still ruminate on this, on it, this, you know, today. As the object was moving closer to where we were,

All of a sudden, it stopped in the middle of the air. It turned a full 90 degrees. And then it started flying away from us at the same slow pace that it had been moving at. Whatever it was, it was kind of nonchalant. It did what it wanted to do. And to this day, I don't know how to describe this experience. I haven't talked to my friend in a long time, but I've always wanted to kind of get in touch with them again and talk about this. You have one of the most incredible experiences of your life, and yet you don't want to document it.

Why? Is there something deeper to that? Is there something deeper to this experience that I don't get? But that sighting has had a lasting impact. on me. I read UFO books all the time. I have a UFO podcast. I think about UFOs and what they are and why are they here. Why do people see them? I think about this stuff all the time. All because some egg-shaped object was in the sky this one day and I happened to see it. And I think another interesting aspect of this is

that one of the cases that has always fascinated me is Lonnie Zamora's citing. It's kind of how I started looking into this stuff. And he reported seeing an egg-shaped object.

And I reported seeing an egg-shaped object. We both reported egg-shaped objects. And in kind of a way, it's a connection to him and his sighting, the sighting that has had such a lasting impact on me. So that's my UFO sighting. This has been about 10 years ago. Not far from where I used to live. I was going down this.

It's a long road, a long winding road. And the guy that I used to live with for nine years, I was following him. It was, it was, it was night, okay? I was following him. He was in front of me. We're on the same road. And then I'll come up to this place, and it's like, it's like a pond. on the right. I've been going down this road since I was a teenager, okay? So I was a kid.

But on the right, there's this pond, and there's some houses that surround it, and it's kind of wooded. But you can see the pond, and I was driving up through there, it's like a clearing,

and I see this triangle of lights. It looked like, I was like, what is that? Is that a plane? But it was right above the trees, and I was like, what is it?

It was moving real slow. Like, super slow. And I'm like, what is that? and it was like these lights were like going around it and it was like it looked triangular to me and i'm looking i'm thinking uh why doesn't this guy see you know i'm like you know i'm like he takes he's still going normal and i pull over at a church because i roll my window down i'm like why don't i hear anything you know if a plane's that close you're going to hear it okay

it was right above the trees i know i'm looking over there you know then i got out of my car I was looking at it How did he not stop And that thing is Maybe everyone can't see them Maybe just certain people can see them Maybe they're just don't I don't know

Maybe I don't know Why he didn't see that Or maybe he just stupid didn't see it But I jumped back in my car And I thought oh oh You hear about people being abducted and stuff I'm like This is weird, I'm leaving

And when we finally got home He was there I said did you not see that thing How could you not see that? He didn't see it. He did not even see it. I'm like, I'm not seeing things. It's right there.

It was very big and it was pretty big. It's probably big as a house, the width of it. I couldn't see the top of it. I just saw the bottom part of it. There's like a black thing with these different colored lights going around it. So that's my UFO story. Take it. any way you want to, that's what I saw.

I'm not making this up. This really happened. I don't know. Could it have been like a hot air balloon? Or could it have been one of those drone things? I don't know, but it was so big. I really thought it was a plane. But it was right above the trees, and that's not too far up.

And it's going to make an end no noise at all. So that's it, y'all. My name is Joseph Corey. I am 49 years old. I'm about to tell you a story that happened to me when I was 22 years old. At the time, I was living overseas in Sydney, Australia. I married very young. We had our very first born, and we had moved out on our own after living with my wife's parents for at least a couple years.

So we moved out on our own, and we got ourselves an apartment. which wasn't really that far away from my work, about a 15-minute drive in Sydney. This one evening, like in the other evening, I would get up early because I worked a night shift at a gas station, very similar to like a fast track in the States. And my shift used to start at 10 o'clock in the evening

to 8 o'clock in the morning. So I would get up early, have something to eat, And then my wife would pack me some food to take with me to work in case I want to have something to snack on through the night. Well, I left the apartment that evening after saying my goodbyes and grabbed my lunch and started my vehicle. And I started heading to work. I was probably into my drive, maybe about seven, eight minutes into my drive. I'd come to a light, which, you know, I had to come to a complete stop. A very like a cross intersection highway.

And as I'm looking waiting for the lights to change at a distance, I noticed something that was moving to my right above the highway bridge that I've got to travel over. And I noticed that am I the only person seeing this? Like nobody else had noticed it. I noticed the whole thing that it was happening right in front of my. own eyes that there's something moving above the traffic and it was illuminating some really weird strange looking lights the more i looked at it the more curious i became like this is this is really weird like how could this be what is it i don't hear a sound i don't hear anything my window was down i don't

hear anything it's not a helicopter it's not an airplane what is it so as the light changed i started going through the gears like a maniac trying to speed up to catch up with it as it's passing over the the bridge, which it's kind of almost veering to my left, heading in the direction to where I work at the service station. Well, I got up there and it already passed. I couldn't see it anymore. This had happened probably between 930, 945 in the evening. Anyhow, I got into the area and I got up ahead of it as fast as I can, and I come to a stop to see whether it passed me or did I get ahead of it. So I stopped the vehicle

and I stood in the street looking around and as I'm looking around there it was now it's coming right towards me. If anything, it really scared the heck out of me. So I stood by the telephone pole staring at it and it was as high as the

treetops above the telephone pole as well like in line maybe a couple feet, maybe 20 feet above the tree tops. So I estimated made probably about 125, 150 feet in the air. No sound, okay? I'm very mechanically inclined. I didn't hear any sound, nothing.

All I could see was lights emanating from underneath this vessel. Confused and scared. I made the sign of the cross. I even pinched myself. Am I really seeing what I'm seeing? But still again confused. I didn't know what it was.

Now it kept moving. as I kept staring at it, started to make my eyes water because I'm more curious and more curious to know what it is. So then as it passed me, it was heading in the direction, so I figured,

heading in the direction to where I work. So I figured if I hopped in the car and got there real quick, maybe I can get somebody else to see it like one of my workers. I get there and my fellow worker was outside taking meter readings at the pumps. I drove in like a maniac.

Car running, opened door, jumped out, I said, you got to see this. And the guy's name at the time was Robin. What are you doing? What are you doing? I said, listen, you got to come and look at this. Something, I don't know what it is, but it's going to come right over us. So I pulled him away from the awning of the hangar where the pumps are.

And, you know, right in front of us there, there's a highway that cars are going back and forth. I told him, keep looking up. It's got to come this way. So what am I looking for? I said, look up. It's going to have to come this way. And before you know it, it was like right over. our head. We're both standing there

in shock. He's like, what the heck is it? These lights that were eliminating out of the underneath belly of this vessel were like rainbow colors coming out. Like, like if you took a cone, the cones that they put on the street and you shoved them into something

and now at the base of them, these rainbow colors were coming out. There was three of them on this vessel and it was just moving real so like with the wind, as if it was just gliding with the not a sound, and then it disappeared into the darkness towards the city, between two buildings, above the buildings, just right through there.

And that was the end of it. I never believed in anything like this, UFOs, or... When this happened, it really woke me up. It, like, it really changed my whole life. If anybody was skeptic about this, it would be me. If anybody brought anything up about this kind of thing, back then, I would tell me you crazy. It's not true.

evil. You can't believe in anything like that. There's only us in this world and this universe and that's it. But when this happened to me, that is something I'll never forget. It was just something very unbelievable. I've been living with this for the longest time. I've told a few people about it over the years, but it's something I'll never forget. So I tell my cousin about it and he thought I was crazy. Later that morning, there was a newscast on the I was putting things away in the gas station, mopping up, cleaning up, getting ready to leave in a couple hours. So I've got to give the shift to the next person, you know, pretty much organized in there.

And I had told my cousin about it earlier that night and, like I said, he said, I was nuts. Well, the newscast at 6 o'clock in the morning stated that they had several hundred sightings that evening over Sydney, Australia, where police, you know, people from hospitals all walks of life reporting that there was a UFO sighting in Sydney. And right there, it confirmed everything to my cousin, and he believed every word I said after that. And me, it made a believer out of me and changed my whole life. Thank you.

I wanted to share with you my experience, my encounter with an UFO as I was a kid. I was maybe between 9 and 12 years old. and I was with my parents at a vacation at the Adriatic Sea in Croatia on the island rap in town rap. You can Google it and see where that is and you can also see how beautiful this place, this old town is. It was around 92, 94. I don't know the exact time because I was there with my parents like five, five, six. six times on vacation. So I don't exactly know which time it was.

It was just once and I never, at the beginning after the encounter, I didn't share it right then. I was pretty young and nobody saw it next to me. I was the only one looking up and the whole encounter went like between seven and nine seconds. After that I looked down and nobody shared the site I was witnessed. This was evening and we just had dinner in the restaurant. and I finished my meal and I looked up and in this moment I something something flew from the right side into my view into my sight

and it was so fast that I didn't even see it moving it was just so fast I had the feeling it came from the right side came from the right horizon of my sight and it stopped immediately it was I was like, z-b-b-b-b-and- then it started to make a zig-zag pattern. It made a zig-zag up and down and somewhere. And then again, it was so fast going out of my side on the left side that I didn't, I could not follow it to the left. It was just the feeling.

You know that your eye can better register movements than colors. It was so fast. felt it went left but it stopped immediately from the encounter and then made a zigzag pattern with the angles of 30 lower than 45 degrees it was it was just the maneuvers this this thing flew was unbelievable had this typical UFO shape it was burning orange-red yellow light and even it Maybe it was a natural phenomenon. Anyway, it was breaking some physical rules.

It was shattering what we knew. What I then didn't know. I saw something breaking Newton's loss, breaking the loss of gravity by an object, just flying angles of 30 degrees, making a zigzag pattern in the sky. in an unbelievable speed so the question is

how could anything fly like that anything that has a mass and you move it in some speed you not even can make a 90 degree angle not speaking of a 30 degree angle of the exact pattern in this speed unbelievable and the second question

is with what was it fueled what energy source was it what got it moving so fast. And it stopped. You remember it stopped and then flew again this unbelievable speeds. Because of this experience, I still are waiting for things

like anti-gravity technology and I also wait like for zero point energy. Now, of course I didn't knew that before and I'm not saying like it's for sure that this exists. I just have, can now put it different in consideration than

Because I'm also a critical mind. As somebody that didn't make this experience, this encounter, I understand that he said, Mario, I studied physics and I cannot believe what you are saying. Maybe you were hallucinating or there's some

other phenomenon you can explain on a different way. We just don't know it now. It was as clear as when you see a bird flying in front of my eyes. It was burning orange, red yellow light. and it flew with an unbelievable velocity, with an unbelievable speed,

and made maneuvers you cannot explain in a zigzag pattern. And the whole encounter was like nine seconds long. How would you travel when you have anti-gravity and multidimensional traveling and zero point energy or something like that? What that will mean for our travel? It will be something totally different. you cannot think aligned with what we know with our rocket fuel. This is amazing, amazing thought.

Imagine one day not just to be able to see beauty like beauty from our nature here, to also one day see a totally different world. Of course, I believe in existence after the physical death and that we, cannot imagine what what kind of mesmerizing life is awaiting us there, what kind of love, peace and whatever awaiting us but it would be

unbelievable if even now as long as I live one day could be taken to another dimension or to see the stars on the night of 1997 I believe it was August I don't remember the exact date, but I do remember it was in August and it was in 1997.

My family was sitting down. It was about 9.30 at night and we were watching one of our favorite movies, which was clear and present danger with Harrison Ford. And I remember this like it was yesterday. Now, let me say this, even if I was a skeptic of UFOs, I probably still would remember this because it stands so clearly out in my mind. and it was such a weird feeling that you get. So I went ahead and was watching this movie with my family. Everybody in the house was in the house watching the movie. It's not like we were separated.

We were all enjoying family time together. The next thing we knew, the power went out. And this is about 9.45, almost 10 o'clock at night. And the power completely went out. We're just like, what the hell was that? So my dad goes and grabs the flashlight. And he's like, well, I'm wondering. It's just, you know, our section of the neighborhood.

So we open up the blinds and look out and all of the houses behind us. The only thing that's on is streetlights. And street lights run on a separate grid so that they're on in case of a power outage. So I was like, well, that's not that big of a deal. So maybe somebody hit a power line. So we didn't really think that much of it. And then we went to the back, the front side of the house. This is, our living room actually was butted up towards the back of the house.

And so you had to go through the front area, the living area, through the dining area to get to the front of the house. And we lived really closely to a lake. We lived across the street from a lake. So we had a pretty much no houses that had built on the lake front. So you could clearly see across the lake. And the house was up high enough where you had a very good vantage point. So looking out, my dad's like, what the hell?

Across the lake was completely blacked out. It was blacked out within the, and that's at least a mile across. the lake, from our house to the road beyond the lake. So we're looking around and we're just like, it's completely black outside. I mean, there's no light except for the street lights and street lights out in my area. We're not very, there wasn't a whole bunch of them. So it wasn't casting a lot of, you know, excessive like noise pollution or light pollution, I should say. And so my dad's like, well, I'm going to go outside and see if I can hear sirens because maybe somebody hit a power pole or whatever, Transform or Blues. So we should be able to hear that they're getting ready to show up to

clear up the situation. So we step outside and it's just real eerie quiet. There's not really much noise and by no means did we live out in the middle of nowhere. This was a very well populated area. And so we're just sitting there and then we hear this hum. Now, I don't know how to explain the hum. The hum is, I would consider it like a, but a very, very, very faint hum. hum. It's not real loud. This is not, this is not a sound that you're like, holy shit, I can hear that so well. It's not like that. It's, you're, you kind of hear it, but you feel the vibration kind of in your body. You can feel it. And I'm like, you know, I'm a kid. I'm about maybe 13, 14. And I look at my dad. I'm like, dad, what the hell is that sound? He's like, I don't, I don't know. I don't know what that sound is. And we try to kind of like walk around and like kind of turn our head and stuff. And we're kind of trying to figure out where the hell this sound is coming from. And, and. And. To the right of us is another house, but it's separated by big giant trees. And it's about 200, 250 yards away from our, this was a development, but it was a very slow developing area. So there was a lot of open space and lots and stuff.

And this was a really big house, but it was very far away from us. And they had this separating tree line. And at the top of the tree line, you could see that maybe 40 to 50 feet above the tree line, which the trees are probably 40 to 50 feet themselves. So we're talking about maybe 110, 120 feet in the air is this orb. And when I say orb, I don't mean like a light ball. I mean like this shape. And the shape that I can explain to you is it was a flat plane with lights that were going synchronally around it. They were constantly, at the angle that you were at because it was up high,

you could actually see the lights come from one side and then go around the other. so it was almost like it was an elliptical shape. And that elliptical shape was what really freaked me out. I mean, if it was just lights up there, it would have freaked me out. But I was freaked out. Now, just a little bit of backstory on my father. My father was in the U.S. Navy. He was a Haltek for the Navy.

And so he'd been around a lot of planes, a lot of ships, a lot of technology. Of course, this is not the same era that he was in the military. But, you know, he expects to explain what it is. because he knows that military has jets and all this stuff. And we're sitting there and we're just like gawking at this thing. And it's not moving. It's just sitting quietly still, a very faint hum, like I said. And the light strobing around it, which really was the big thing for all of us.

We're like, holy crap, that's a UFO. Like, it's not one of those things where you're automatically just going to go, is a UFO, you know, looking at it and seeing it sit completely still. And the distance that it was from us, there was, my dad's like, that's not a plane, that's not a helicopter. And I said to him, I was like, well, dad, what do you think it is? And he's like, I don't know what it is. He shined his light up.

And it was too far away to really see anything with the light. But when he shined it up, it was almost like he was like, well, I'll just shine out. Oh, wait a minute. Maybe I shouldn't do that. So he shined it directly at it and then moved it away very, very quickly. And was like, let's get in the house. It freaked my dad out. And for it to freak my dad out, it freaked me out even more.

Because I was like, well, dad can't explain it. You know, what the hell is it? And so I sat there and probably about four hours later the power came back on. Now, a lot of people are probably going to be like, oh, well, it was just somebody who hit a power line. Well, the problem is, I talked to somebody later on down the road. And the person had pretty much told me that these grids are set up within blocks. And so that the power doesn't go across the board, they're split. So from the lake to us is a power grid.

And on the other side of the lake is a power grid. So there's no way that it would have knocked all that power it. It's impossible. And I know where the transformer was. And I know that a single pole getting hit wouldn't have caused it all to go out at the same time. So it was very peculiar. And even the guys that I taught to that were for the power company, this is about two or three years later. I asked him, I said, you guys remember that year?

And he's like, yeah, because we couldn't figure out what it was. We don't know what took the power grid down. We don't know. And we didn't stay outside to figure out what it was. and we didn't stay outside to see how long it lasted for the UFO. We don't know how long it stayed there for. So to say that the power turned on, you know, as soon as we went back in the house, that didn't happen.

So we don't know why the power was going out, and we don't know how long it's lasted for as far as the UFO staying there. And I know that there's a couple people in my neighborhood that actually put reports out because they saw the same thing we did. And we don't really, it wasn't something that people wanted to talk about because if you're like, well, just kind of be quiet about it, you know. So a very strange thing. And I'd also read, and a lot of the research that I'd done about UFOs that a lot of the times they shut the power out.

They shut off power grids. And it's almost like they absorb the surrounding power in that area. And so I thought it was very, very bizarre. It was a very interesting day, to say the least, a very scary night. And so that's my little story of the interaction that I had and the UFO sighting that I had. And it's not the most glamorous. I didn't get to see a being. I didn't get to see, you know, a crap ton of structure.

I just got to pretty much see the light. And it was very dark. Of course, with the power going out, it was even darker. But it was still enough that it sticks out of your mind. And you remember that stuff. So my UFO experience was quite different. It was back when Freddie Mercury had passed away. And they were doing that massive tribute to Freddie Mercury.

in London. Now, the only reason I remember that as a kid was because I remember the concert being on my parents' TV. Anyway, so it was that day when it happened. It's kind of weird because it's kind of like, it's kind of like a faded memory. I've only got bits of the memory. I mean, I don't know if I've got the whole day. I've definitely only got bits of the memory of the night time and the evening. So anyway, to cut a long story, short. This is as best as I remember it right now. We had a landing in a house where there was a side window where it looked in between two other houses in a sense, but it was looking onto a street, but you know, if you stared straight out, you would see in between two houses. And I don't,

I don't know if I remember being caught upstairs or how I saw it, but I remember looking at this window and seeing this silver-shaped disc object. just hovering in between the two houses. And it was, the weirdest thing was, there was no reference for it. Do you know what I mean? There was absolutely nothing to, sort of, in my brain,

to be able to work out what the hell that was, except for it did look like a classic UFO saucer-shaped object. And what I remember is, hmm, See, this is where it gets really strange, because I just don't remember much. But I remember somehow we were all aghast by looking out the side window. When I say we all, my family, you know, they must have got word of what was going on. Or, you know, one had called me up and all the rest came up to see it. I don't know.

I really don't know. But what I do remember is I remember going out the front of my house. And there was no one there, as in like neighbours, which... That was not that odd, but there were no cars, there were no birds, there was no sound. I think I remember that. I think I remember that. There was no sound. But yet again, this was years ago, and my memory is quite faded.

Do you know what I mean? But I don't think there was. I don't think there was any sound. I'm not too sure which one of my family members was outside with me outside of the front of the house. I can't remember. but I think I remember the object that was in between the houses being almost directly over us at that point and it was like time had frozen and stood still and it was just me and my family that were observing this thing the next bit I remember was a bit later on it's still light and I was out there and I was out there

back garden because someone has shouted us out there and there were all these orbs. It seemed to be, obs, I don't know what they were. Lots of them just moving around in the sky. Again, I don't know how long this went on for. I don't know how many of them there were. It seemed like many. Very high up in the sky.

And it seemed to, that memory seemed to go on for a little bit. But again, I don't know how sequentially this fits into the next part I'm going to tell you, because I don't remember how that progressed on. Now, maybe that's just poor memory. Maybe the orbs in the sky were not anything E.T. You know, it could be a number of things. So then this is where it gets weird. The next big memory that I remember is we was all in my bedroom,

my family and I were all in my bedroom. Now, I think I'd called them up. Because this, this cigar-shaped object was going past my bedroom window. Huge bloody thing with ultra weird writing on the side that looked, I don't know, it wasn't English. It wasn't, like, even, I don't know what it was. It was these weird symbols on the side. It's almost like it floated past and disappeared. Like it blipped in and it then faded and blipped out.

Now again, I'm sure my parents' recollection of that and my sisters and my brother, or one sister and one brother, is different to the way that I'm remembering it. So that memory stayed with us. Those memories stayed with us for a while. But what was really unique was the next day there was still, my sister and my mum, because I wasn't there, said they saw more UFO activity outside our house. And the weirdest thing was, all these years later,

and I said, pretty I can't show you this, but my sister's got it, she drew a picture, and she dated it. And it was a number of years ago when I asked her to see the picture. This is like 10 years ago I asked her to see the picture. On this picture, as a kid, She drew the UFO that we saw between the two houses, and she dated it. So that's what she saw back as a kid. Now, the reason I got her to show me that picture was because back in 2002 or 2003,

I can't remember when. I was in Los Angeles. And before I got to Los Angeles, I'd read this book by Dr. Bruce Goldberg called Past Lives Future Lives. and he's a regressionist and also progressionist. So he takes people into past lives, he takes people into future lives, booked an appointment to see him and got a past life regression on that event, on that day. Now, I had a bit more than that done with him, but we're just talking about this right now with him. And the difference was, when we were all outside seeing the orbs in the sky,

And then the next most significant memory was myself lying naked on this cold table, it felt like. And all these beings around me, like small beings. And I remember being petrified. Then this taller being came in and calmed me down and said, everything's all right. You know, don't panic. Don't worry. And I felt very at ease.

I don't know what they were doing. I don't know much about what happened, except for the next most significant thing was they were telling me that I was always going to be watched and I was one of them and was going to do some important stuff that mattered. And I'm personifying things here. I mean, you know, a lot of people listening to this are going to think, well, you know, it's regression.

You know, you're just making it up. You want that experience to have happened. And that's exactly how I feel. But like the regression is said to me, as I got out the chair, I said, I've just made all that up. And he said to me, yep, that's what they all say. Then in the regression, the next most significant thing was, when we saw that cigar-shaped object coming past my window, basically I saw myself being moved into position

to stand next to my parents and my brother. They were all paused. They were all like frozen and I was being ushered in to stand next to them and they, I think I must have stood still and then maybe I froze from whatever they did to me and the next minute I just,

we was all back in that memory of, we're all in my room and seeing this cigar shape going back. but I mean, it makes no sense to me what I'm saying, except for they put me back there at that moment. But then did they? You know, is that, you know, is that something I made up in the regression?

I don't know. I don't know why I'm even sharing this story. It's just, I think I've had too many people come to me recently that are pretty serious people and they've seen something and they can't explain. it and there'll be lots of people who have seen something and we'll never talk about it because you know they'll be um they'll feel very stupid to talk about it i can't really say i feel stupid talking about it i'm just reporting back what came from the regression and if i've made it up

well that's okay but i don't know i don't know if i did but i'm open-minded but anyway so There you go. And there's my story, and I'm glad I've shared it. This episode is brought to you by Planet Oat Oat Milk. Some people like their coffee hot, some like it ice cold, but everyone can agree Planet Oat is made for every cup, delivering the perfect pour, rich, smooth, and delicious every time. Try several varieties, like Planet Oat Boreista-levers oat milk.

It's great for frothing and steaming and will upgrade your at-home coffee. Whether you're team hot or team iced, Discover your favorite oat milk at planetoat.com. Hi, my name's Simon Tats. I'm 56 years of age. I live in Cape Town, South Africa. And just to relate my UFO experience that I had last year, before I start, I'd just like to say that my interest in UFOs started in the mid-1980s.

I was born in the UK, and I went back to visit family there in the mid-1980s. and my aunt gave me a book on the Bonnie and Betty Hill abduction case. I'd never heard of it before, and it was a fascinating book to read, and that got me interested in UFOs. I keep an open mind and I find it a great subject, and I'm lucky to be on this amazing Facebook group, The Other Dimension, where we can openly discuss the subject and share articles relating to it. The sighting that I had took place on the 1st of January last year at 12 minutes past midnight in Cape Town.

And I was actually a house-sitting for a friend. They had a couple of dogs and they were just a bit worried that when they went out to the New Year celebrations that the dogs might be disturbed by the fireworks going off. So I agreed to sort of babysit or house-sit the dogs for them. and I was, the house is up on the hill on the slopes of Table Mountain. I just finished watching the fireworks display, which had just died down over Cape Town Harbour. I glanced up and I noticed a circular shape. It was sort of a wireframe circular shape, sort of a two-dimensional shape.

And the colour, the wireframe sort of colour of it was a pinkish orange colour. And it was moving fairly quickly from south-west to north-east, kind of rough direction. It was kind of over a saddle between Table Mountain and lion's head, two points of interest in Cape Town. Immediately following the circular shape was a triangle, also a pinky orange in colour, also a sort of wireframe shape, but a perfect triangle. And right behind that was a long oblong shape, the same colours. All of the shapes were rotating slowly or they were wobbling slightly on a common access and they all appeared to be hollow no solid form to them at all just outlines they appeared to be

all in a straight line and they were undulating or wobbling slightly from side to side but all of them moving along this this common axis in a in a in a in a line astern one behind the other the last site that i had was um was at the long oblong object disappearing from my view behind some trees the the long oblong shape, the last one that passed overhead, was sort of moving on a flat plane, but moving very much like those ships' radars. The military ships have these long, oblong-shaped radar devices which slowly move around. The movement of the shape that I saw was similar to that, although, as I say, it wasn't a solid object. It was sort of wireframe shaped to it. I guess the altitude, there were probably between 700 to 1,000 foot of.

above where I was sitting. Difficult really to judge exactly how high they were and what size, but I suppose if they were, I guess the size is probably about 25 foot across, each object was probably

about that size if they were 1,000 foot above. There was absolutely no noise from any of the objects at all and I've never seen anything like this before and I did look in the newspapers and online the next day to see if anything had been reported, anything similar. I didn't see anything, so I don't know what they were, but I'm quite familiar with aircraft.

I have a fascination in flying, and I have done for years, so I'm pretty sure there weren't helicopters, there weren't drones, there was no sound from them, and it would be odd to have drones over that area, three of them, one behind the other, in those shapes as well. I could imagine drones over the harbour while the fireworks were going off at midnight, but this was 12 minutes off. after midnight, I still don't think there were drones. I've never seen anything that's proven either way that these were or were not man-made objects. I don't know whether they were from another dimension,

another planet, or whether they were something man-made that I just don't know about. When I wrote up a report to the South African UFO website the next day, I did notice that there was a sighting also, funnily enough, at 12 minutes past midnight, the sighting, the other sighting was in Johannesburg but it wasn't, the description wasn't the same as mine. I'm not sure what objects they saw in Johannesburg,

but it was nothing like what I'd seen. Just oddly enough, it was at the same time. But I suppose being New Year's Eve, and there'd be a lot of lights in the sky. And I suppose if any alien entity wanted to sort of disguise their actions, then the New Year would be a good time to bring out brightly lit craft. Anyway, I have a keen fascination It's made me even more interested in the subject

And I am wary about the reports that I read I do quite a bit of research on it Before I make a decision for myself as to what it is But I found that my ongoing interest Is just intensified now And I was just very lucky to have that sighting I'm not sure exactly what it was But I've never seen anything like it

since then. I never seen anything like it before then. Anyway, that was my sighting. That's what I wanted to report. And thank you, Ryan, for the opportunity to speak. There's all from me, Simon Tatt, here in Cape Town, South Africa. Well, in 1968, I was a much younger man at that time. And I was in my automobile and I had taken a ride to a local park called Seaside Park, which has a large beach area. And at the time, I was supposed to meet a friend of mine who was a fisherman, and the striped bass had been biting at that time. And when I had arrived at the park, no one was there at that particular time, but usually the fishermen showed up at a later point in the morning. and I arrived very early, and if I remember correctly, the time was probably like around that,

just around daybreak, even if I wanted to say 6 o'clock in the morning, 6.30 in the morning, and I was in my car, and I stepped out of the vehicle, and I looked at the water, and because Long Island Sound is directly across from Seaside Park, Port Jefferson, New York, is what I am talking about. And I looked at the water, and I saw this, it looked like a large sphere, like a ball, cylinder type of whatever it was. If I wanted to say vehicle or whatever, some type of an airship or whatever, whatever it was, but it was a large ball shape. And it was actually resting on the water, approximately maybe 400 yards offshore.

And I was kind of amazed because I had never seen anything like that. I thought possibly at the time maybe the, I know Sokorsky Aircraft is in Bridgeport, Connecticut, where they make helicopters. And I thought possibly maybe the U.S. Navy was doing some tests work on some vehicle or whatnot, and I continue to look, and I did have a pair of binoculars in the car. I say, let me get my binoculars. I ran to get my binoculars, and I focused in, I had a 10 by 50 binoculars set, and I focused in on the object, and it appeared like figures that I could not

describe. There weren't some kind of a, some type of a uniform or some type of a camera, camouflage uniform and almost like a deep sea diver uniform and they had some type of a hose in the water it appeared to be like a hose it looked like they were taking something out of the water or whatever they were doing and all that all of a sudden this thing just started to ascend and lo and behold i continued to look and in a matter of a second or two it was a sudden it was a thing just started to ascend and lo and behold i continued to look and in a matter of a second or two it was out of sight, it appeared like a little, little tiny circle in the sky, and I lost sight of it. I immediately, you know, I didn't know what the heck I had seen at the time. You know, you hear so much about UFOs, you know, so-called unidentified flying objects. At that time, of course, we had no cell phones like today. Today, of course, you have cell phones, you're able to communicate. At that time, we had no cell phone.

and what I did was I drove home because my friend hadn't showed up and I was so excited about it. I drove home and I really didn't want to tell anybody, you know, especially local police authorities because I thought they'd think I was crazy at the time. So I went home and I told my wife about it and she told me that I should report it. So I admittedly, you know, at that time called 911 and they put me in touch with the local Bridgeport Police Department. And, you know, it's been so many years now that I really don't remember who I had spoken to.

But the officer that I did talk to at the time, he kind of laughed and, you know, facetiously and was making sort of a joke about it. And I says, officer, I said, listen, I said, I'm not crazy. I really saw this so-called cylinder object, you know, in the water. It looked like it had been taking something out of the water. and then it ascended until I couldn't see it anymore. I was looking at it with a pair of binoculars, and it looked like the people or whatever they appear to be. They looked like people.

They were dressed in some type of it looked like deep sea outfits, and they were on board that craft. It just took off immediately, and in a blink of an eye, it was gone. And the officer said, well, you're not the first one to report seeing something. Somebody else called to it said they had seen it, So I guess you're right. But he was making it more like a joke. He really wasn't acting serious.

So nothing was really done about it. And I looked in the local newspapers the next day. And there was a small article about some sightings in Bridgeport. But that was about it. Nothing ever became of it. But I experienced this. And hey, I'm 73 years old. And I know what I saw.

And until this day, I swear. that that is what I saw. And this object moved so fast, it was faster than any jet, faster than anything that I have ever seen in my lifetime, and believe me. Hey guys, Ryan here. The Summer in the Sky's podcast is a labor of love every week.

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To learn more and to join, visit patreon.com slash somewhere skies. Thank you for your support and keep looking up. Driving home from Wells, coming up to loggies. I was driving. My husband was in the passenger. shape. Travis was in the backseat. We were kind of, as I'm driving, I'm also glancing at my husband because we're talking, having a conversation. And just out of the corner of this eye, I saw a bright light. And I thought, oh, cool, shooting star was my original thought right away. And then I looked

and it was just, it was too big. And it wasn't falling or moving sideways like shooting stars do. I've seen a lot of shooting stars in my life and kept driving a few seconds later and it showed up again. Okay, this is too weird. I'm pulling over. He says, no, go up to the junction,

get out of traffic. I pulled over anyway. Started to get out. Go up to the junction, get out of traffic. I real quick pulled into the junction. By the time I got out of the truck, it had disappeared, standing there looking around,

and it showed up in the original spot again right in front of us. And I hollered at Sean. I says, my cameras are in my purse. Grab them. And let's see if we can get it on video. So he's grabbing my cameras. And while he's doing that,

little black car pulls up next to us. Guy jumps out. And he said, are you guys seeing this? He says, yeah, are you seeing the same thing? He says, yeah. He says, look at all the people back there on the road. And there's probably, I'm guessing, four or five cars. pulled off the side of the highway, you know, within probably a five-mile radius,

because it's a real flat, long stretch of road right there. And you could see them all pulling off and stop it. And he says, have you ever seen anything like this before? And we all said, no. He says, well, this is the second time I've seen it. And he said, I'm from Arizona. He says, and I saw him down there two or three years ago. He says, so this is really neat.

and then right in the middle of our conversation, all of a sudden appeared off to the left again. And there were two of them. And I got that one, I got my camera up in time that I caught, barely caught them. After that, they blinked off, and then way, way, way far out in the distance. I mean, it looked like it was probably 50 miles away. It showed up again, but it was real, real dim because it was so far away. It kind of looked like the end of a lit cigarette.

And Travis is the one that spotted that one. None of us saw it at first until he pointed it out and said, it's way, way out there. We stood there for a few minutes, looking around, didn't see anything. So we were going to get back in the truck and head home. And all of a sudden, in the original spot where we first saw him, there were three of them. From what it looked like to me had quite a bit of space in between them, So it didn't look to me like it was one solid thing.

It looked like three different things. And then since I'd already put my camera away, I didn't catch that one. But I jumped back out of the truck, and we stood there for another few minutes. And then they came back on again, two of them. After they blinked off, that time, we didn't see them again. We stood there for probably another, I'm guessing, maybe 10 minutes or so, the gentleman he left he was on his way back to Arizona

and he left so we stood there and watched didn't see anything for a while so we decided to go because Sean had to work as we're getting in the truck is when Travis pointed out to me that he started seeing jets and stuff and of course I don't know what's one up there

with planes wise I know they're planes because you can see him moving you can see the flashing lights and you can see what looked like almost like a little tail coming off of him I don't like a comet really far away, and he told me that's what afterburners do. I'm taking his word for that.

I did see quite a few of them. I'm guessing five or six, at least, really, really fast. I've never seen things move quite that fast before. They seem to be coming from just about all different directions and all headed toward the same spot, which is basically, as I was looking probably just to the right of Wendover, which I don't know if the base there is still active or not. I don't think it is.

I don't think it's been active in a while. But it seemed like they were all coming from different directions headed towards Windover. I mean, I've seen some weird things, but they're all explainable. You know, I've seen shooting stars that are really big and different colors, you know, blue ones and purple ones. And, you know, but you always know what they are. You can tell you can see the stuff coming off the end of them. And you can tell they're shooting stars. and planes, of course, even hot air balloons, gliders.

And this was, well, they were such an odd orange. It's like we keep saying we kind of likened them to a streetlight, but they were even a deeper orange than that, but really, really bright. And I just, I can't look at a street light the same now, because every time I look at a street light, I'm almost thinking, is that one of them? It's like being maybe a block away from a street light and looking at that street light that's about the size. And if it was just a little bit deeper color, that would be it.

Round, orange, bright. That's the best thing that I can relate it to because they were that big. It was like originally what I thought size-wise was on a full moon. If you take the full moon and you cut it in quarters, you know, four-quarters, you know, four-quarters. it was about the size of a quarter of the moon. It was big. I could hear the peacocks clucking across the street. Other than that, I mean, there was not,

there wasn't even any wind that night. Not a cloud in the sky, no wind, no nothing. It was just perfectly still. I want to know what it is. Because at times I feel like I'm crazy. I just, I really want to know what it is. It's got me really interested. Hello.

My name is Larry Gessner, and I am in McCluskey, North Dakota, and the event that I'm going to talk about happened to me and my wife at the time back on 7-10 of 03. I had just gotten home from a drive someplace. I can't remember exactly where it was that I came from. and I had sat down in the living room to watch, I think the Tonight Show had just started, and my wife decided she wanted to go outside on the back deck and have a cigarette. And so she went out to have a cigarette, and I was watching TV,

and all of a sudden she started screaming. Now, at the time I was sheriff of Sheridan County, where we lived, and we still live and the scream that she let out kind of shook me up because I figured somebody was trying to kill her and so I raced out the back door

to find her on the deck pointing up in the sky and she said that that star, that star just shot out of the sky it stopped and red lights came on and there it is and I looked

and I you know at first I thought okay, it's probably maybe a meteor or something, but then I'm looking and the red lights are above the horizon, or just at the horizon. And it looks like they're off in the distance, but not too far. And all of a sudden I'm thinking to myself, it almost looks like that thing is headed towards us. And then as it started to get closer,

I thought maybe it's an aircraft or something that we just didn't understand what it was. but as the objects started to get closer, I noticed that the red lights and now we were seeing green lights as well, and it was in a vertical formation, not horizontal. And this really puzzled me because I've been in round aircraft my whole life. I spent 14 years in the Air Force around flight lines, around all kinds of aircraft. And I knew the light configuration of aircraft. I looked at this and I said, this is not right.

Something's not right. And as it got closer, we could tell it was farther up in the sky. And I guess we estimated maybe it was around 800 feet in the sky. But as it got closer, now, the thing I forgot to tell you is the time period, you know, somewhere between, I'm going to say 20 minutes to 11, our time, to, you know, 10 minutes to 11 our time at night, the sky had just turned dark. In other words, it was light enough that you could still tell it was sky, but it was dark enough to where you would have trouble making things out, you know.

So as this object is getting closer, we're trying to look at it, and I see this vertical, formation of lights. And I'm thinking, this is, this is just not right. What could this be? And as it got closer, we realized it was probably around, oh, I would guess maybe 800 feet in the air. And it was big. The best I can describe is probably, just to give you a rough estimation, it's probably the size of a football field, you know, 100 yards by 50 yards or 20, you know, 25 yards. I don't even, I think it's 50 yards across. But anyway, As this thing is starting to come closer, we're making out a strange shape on it and can't quite put together what it is. But we can tell us it gets closer that one of the white lights that we're seeing is up in the upper part of this shape on our side.

and as it starts to get closer, we start to hear what I automatically assumed was thrust, the sound of a thrust from an aircraft. But the object was traveling slow, probably around 35, 30 miles an hour, something like that. And it was moving slow. And as it got closer and closer, we were looking at it. And all of a sudden I realized that this side light,

is a window and it's backlit from the inside of what appears to be some sort of a craft. And the craft is starting to take on what I would assume or estimate as a diamond shape. It's got angle, a right angle to it. A slope in the front, slope on the side. As it's getting closer, we're looking up, it I hear this thrust sound but the thrust sound does not equate to what I knew thrust to be from jet engines on aircraft. There wasn't enough of the sound of thrust to keep this thing of this size up in the air. And so I'm just totally bewildered. I just I'm in awe. I can't, you know, figure out what the heck I'm looking at.

I can't, you know, it's not like anything I'm used to. no aircraft that I've ever seen before. So as it's getting closer and closer, it finally gets to just about over our heads. And I'm freaking out. My wife is freaking out. We're looking at this thing. And I'm looking and trying to see,

I focused on the window at this point. There was two sets or two rows of windows, and I was focused probably on the upper set. And I could see inside the window, and I'm thinking myself, am I going to see an alien? Am I going to see an alien in an alien craft? And what I did see was some sort of a structural wall. Now, in aircraft design, they drill out holes in support structures to lessen the weight.

This is an engineering thing that they do. And I worked on B-52s, and I've seen this before, in the structural integrity of the B-5. So I'm looking at this and I'm thinking myself, my God, this thing is, is it man-made? You know, I'm looking at the holes in the wall and saying, I thought this looks just like a structural element off of B-52. And it almost had that lime green color to it that you would see on the inside of an aircraft, like up in the wheel well or something. So, you know, at this point, my wife and I were just dumbfounded. I mean, you become paralyzed because your brain is trying to make sense of something that isn't making any sense to you. This is something that, you know, it defies the loss of physics.

It can't be anything that you know, and we're watching it. And all of a sudden I'm saying, my God, this is a UFO. I can't believe this. and so all of a sudden I sort of snapped too and I said oh my god this is headed it had started in the southeast and was headed over basically just behind my house headed in a northeast direction and as it started to go overhead I sort of snapped too and said oh my god it's headed right for pickardville which is where one of my deputies lived and so I ran inside my wife ran out to the west side of the house. We were on the east side and the back deck. And she ran out to the front door on the west side and stood there and watched it as it went over the house and kept going. And I tried to call my deputy. Now my deputy answers the phone and I tell him you've got to get outside. You got to get outside right now. There's a UFO headed right over your house. It's got to be pretty close by now. So he's last.

laughing at me. And I said, I'm dead serious. Get outside. And so he finally gets outside. At about that time, I ran out the front door to see where it was. And my wife goes, I was listening to you. She goes, you're not going to believe this. She goes, as soon as you said, the word UFO, that craft stopped, dead stop. A white light came on on the back end of it, and it shot straight up in the air. and unbelievable speed, and it was gone. And so I'm talking to my deputy, and he goes, I don't see anything. And I go, yeah, I guess you don't. It's gone. It's already gone.

At that point, we knew we had seen something incredible, something that either we have the capability to have ships like that, or we are being visited by an intelligent race, and the craft is of unbelievable size. I mean, I don't know what this craft would have been used for. And the thing that I'm still trying to wrap my head around is when they travel at those unbelievable speeds and stop, how is it that they can do that?

I mean, if you're driving in a car and you slam on the brakes, you launch forward. and so that's at a normal speed or a little bit faster. But when you're traveling in excess of 1,000 miles an hour, I can't imagine how anybody could survive something like that without breaking the laws of physics. So there must be something else going on here that we can't explain when it comes to that.

My name is Sean Kevin Jason, and I'm a computer analyst from Las Vegas, Nevada. Now, Ryan had graciously asked, me to tell you about my story, which is included in this book, somewhere in the skies. So I'm going to give you a brief overview of what happened. If you would like the full details, please go out and purchase the book and help support Ryan's work. It was about a quarter after 9 o'clock, and I was still at work at the time. It was at that moment when I was struck with a strong sensation in my gut that is like a cross between butterflies in your stomach, and

that queasy feeling you'd get when you drop in a roller coaster really fast. At the same time, I would get that sensation. I would hear a voice in my head. Now, this had happened several times in my teenage years, but on this particular occasion, it was basically telling me to go to Area 51. This was the first time it was happening with regards to a potential UFO encounter. There was only one reason I ever went out to Area 51 was in hopes of seeing a UFO.

On my previous trips out there, nothing happened. Didn't see anything noteworthy or eventful. So when this happened, I knew right away what it meant, at least what I believed it meant, was that I was going to have a UFO encounter that evening. Oddly enough, within, minutes after this event, the manager had asked if I would like to leave early. Business was slow that night. She was looking to cut staff and asked me first if I wanted to go

home, of course, which I said yes right away. So I gathered my stuff, got out of there, hit up my mom's house, which was just down the street where my brother was staying. He had a Pentex film camera, which I wanted to borrow for the trip. So I swung by there, to grab the camera, but both he and the camera were gone. So I left from there and went home. So after stopping at home and changing, I hit the road and started heading out towards Area 51. There's a bend in Highway 93, your first turn as you start turning from a north direction,

more to a northeast direction. and as soon as I start coming around to bin off in a distance I can see some lights and my first thought was it's just another car in the road first car I'm going to pass of the night so I continue driving and as I do so I begin to realize that that light off in a distance isn't getting any closer to me but I'm getting closer to it so I suspected maybe a car was pulled off to the side of the road possibly they had broken down and this caused me some concerned because I was debating as to whether or not I was going to stop and help them or keep driving. And since this was the middle of nowhere, I was somewhat concerned about stopping to help. So I was debating this in my head when it dawned on me or when I realized that the lights were not actually on the road, but hovering over the road. I was getting close enough now that I can see that. and my first reaction was to slam on the brakes because I was speeding,

I was in a hurry to try to get to area 51, I was still on the first leg of a two-hour drive. So I thought running behind and speeding, I'm thinking these lights must be a metro helicopter, you know, out there looking for speeders. And that thought maybe it lasted for two seconds because it was absurd to think

there would be a police helicopter hovering maybe 10, 20 feet right over the highway looking for speeders. So when I ruled that out, it then dawned on me that maybe these lights were the very reason I was coming out there. So I decided to grab my binoculars to see if I couldn't get a look at the object before I arrived at the site, just in case it should leave before I get there. So I picked them up and I'm looking at the object and I can definitely see there is something hovering over the road and its lights are shining down on it. And if you've ever tried to drive while looking through binoculars at the same time, it's pretty much impossible. And at one point, I nearly lost control. So I threw them in the back seat because it simply wasn't working, but it was enough to at least establish there was indeed something there hovering over.

over the road so I stepped on the gas and a desperate attempt to hurry up and get there before it left. It sat there and waited for me until I pulled up underneath the triangle UFO and parked my car, which was hovering about 20 feet over the road. And I had parked my car just under the very first light or tip of this triangle. On the underside of it, there were nine what seemed like standard aircraft floodlights. The craft was a perfect triangle, pitch black, so I couldn't make out any detail on the skin of the craft. The only thing that really offered any detail were the lights on it. So for the remainder of the sighting, I sat there and studied the lights and tried remembering as much detail as I could of these lights.

I decided I was going to use my binoculars to get an even better look at the light. I figured if there was maybe some logo or identifying marks at the center of the bulb like we traditionally use, I might be able to identify the lights. So I reached behind me to grab for them without taking my eyes off the craft. But apparently when I threw them in the back seat on the way there, they had got stuck behind one of the seats. So I had to take my eyes off to craft to reach behind me and grab them. And so doing that very second, the craft decided to take off. So I had to scan the horizon and eventually caught sight of it again to my 7 o'clock position. Now probably a football field away from me.

And it was hovering over the ground, much like a speed racer and a Star Wars movie. It just always stayed 20 feet from the ground and followed the terrain as it moved westward from my spot. Eventually it made a right turn and headed north, going over the mountain range. It's just north of that road. And it kind of just climbed over the mountain. Rather than flying over it, it stayed close to the ground and basically inched this way up the side of the mountain before disappearing over to top and dropping down the other side. After that, I figured, well, this was just the introduction.

whatever that message was calling me to still was waiting for me at area 51 so I continued on after that and thinking you know there's still more to come but when I got out there eventually nothing else happened I didn't see anything else and after a short while I decided to turn around and head back home and the drive home was uneventful as well so what do I believe happen. Basically, we are dealing with a control system that is responsible for preventing paradoxes by ensuring that space time is self-consistent. And it does this by programming the observer using psychic phenomena such as precognition, your gut instinct, or intuition to ensure that a future event happens as has been programmed by the system.

The message or voice is being used to elicit a very specific chain of events. These chain of events must lead up to the future event that's being predicted. And in this way, space-time is self-consistent and preventing a paradox. If you're familiar at all with the work of Jacques Valet and his theory or hypothesis on the control system, control system. Essentially, this case is a textbook example of that control system. I had reached the same conclusions as Valet has, independently of his work. And as for the Black Triangle I saw that night, based on the terrestrial technology I identified on the craft, I believe it was built here on Earth by humans and is not of extraterrestrial origin. This episode is brought to you by Netflix. Most valuable promotions in Netflix are hosting a blockbuster triple headliner Saturday, May 16th. Rhonda Rousey returns to face fellow woman's MMA pioneer Gina Carano in the main event.

Plus co-main's Nate Diaz versus Mike Perry. And the best have you wait in the world, Frances Ngano versus Felipe Lins. Watch Rhonda Rousey versus Gina Carrano, live only on Netflix. Saturday, May 16th at 9 p.m. Eastern Center time, 6 p.m. Pacific time. Greetings citizens and welcome to this Somewhere in the Sky's unknown crossover episode. I'm Jason McClellan and Ryan and I are excited to be recording this episode live from AlienCon, Baltimore. And we have the privilege of being joined today by this awesome audience at AlienCon. How are you guys today?

Are you having fun at AlienCon yet? We were so worried about that being so early in the morning, so thank you. This is one of the first sessions at AlienCon. So, yeah, we know it's great for you to be here, great that you have some energy to join us. Well, what about you, Ryan? Are you having fun at AlienCon? This isn't your first AlienCon. No, I did the last event in Pasadena this past summer, which was amazing. I had no idea what to expect. As a UFO researcher, you know, I watch ancient aliens. I'm up with the times with all that, but I had no idea what to expect. And when I got there, I was blown away. And that's kind of how I feel today here on the East Coast, where I'm originally from.

So it's good to be home. It's good to see a lot of familiar faces, new faces, and I'm pumped man. Yeah, I love events like this. This is my first AlienCon, but we do a lot of UFO-specific events. And a lot of the UFO conferences are largely academic, you know, where they're focused on the large speaker component with lectures and talks about various topics related to UFOs. And what I think AlienCon has done really well with is blend.

the two types of conferences that I go to a lot, because I do a lot of Comic-Cons and things like that, too. And taking the two, kind of blending the best of both worlds in a topic, centered around a topic that we love. Yeah, absolutely. And bringing a lot of people together that might normally not. We all have this one sort of interest and passion in common, and that's, you know, the question of aliens. Right, right. And, you know, we're going to be talking a lot more about UFOs today. Absolutely. How they're connected, how they may not be connected, stuff like that. Yeah, so let's get into it.

So the focus of our episode today is going to be specifically on UFO sightings, on UFO experiences, extraterrestrial experiences, and we're going to hear some of our experiences and also some of the experiences of our attendees here today. So I'm excited for that. But let's get started with ours, Ryan. Why don't you share whatever you would like to share? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, so I feel like a lot of UFO researchers have that origin story of how they got involved, why they do this with every free moment they have, which is what we do.

You know, we research, study, investigate UFOs every waking moment when we're not, you know, paying the bills and everything. So for me, I had a UFO event when I was 12 years old. This happened in 1995, and it was off the St. Lawrence River, if anyone's familiar. This was the border between upstate New York and Canada, and the river literally connected the two. And I was on a weekend getaway with my parents to go fishing, and we were staying at a motel right on the water. And it was late at night, and I was listening to Green Day on my Discment. That brings it back to the 90s.

And I was just casting my reel out, bringing it in, casting out, bringing it in, listening to music. And I noticed three lights in the water. And I thought there was something under the water. So I started, like, peering over the edge. And I noticed that it was not in the water. It was a reflection. So naturally, I look up. And above me, I couldn't tell you how high up, how close it was.

But it was three white lights and a reddish-orange basketball-shaped thing in the middle. It was in a triangular formation. I did not see a structure to this thing. I didn't see metal. I didn't see anything connecting it. But the lights were stationary. They were floating above me. And I could not see the stars or anything behind it.

So I am guessing this was a solid object, but I can't say for sure. And it was silent. I didn't hear a thing. All I could hear was the water hitting the dock for us fishing. I flung my headphones off, waiting to hear for some sort of propulsion, nothing. I was really scared. This thing was floating silently above me. So I tried to yell for my father, who was inside our motel watching a Yankees game. So I couldn't get him away from that. But I was frozen. I could feel like a vibration from the back of my neck going down into my chest during all this. I don't know what that was. Maybe I was just scared. Maybe whatever this was doing something, I don't know. But I was frozen. I could have. and talk, nothing. I finally was able to get a little squeal out and my dad runs out and as he's coming out, the thing starts going over the water towards Canada and disappears out of sight.

I don't know if it just went over the horizon or if it actually went into the water. I couldn't tell you, but my father did see the tell end of this thing. So I knew I wasn't just seeing things. He told me it was a plane, just a plane, you know, doing his fatherly job. But I knew different. I saw it right above me, silent, massive. And the next morning, we went to the motel person and said, did anyone report anything weird? He said no, but we get stuff like that all the time. So that scared me even more. This was not the first time a UFO had been seen in this area. Again, I was 12 years old. It was fear. It was just fear. I didn't know what it was. And that kind of led to an obsession. I started taking out books at the library on UFOs and cryptids and all that good stuff.

And I would have nightmares about what I saw. And it just really stuck with me. But I wanted to educate myself and I started getting all the books. And that's kind of my origin story, as it were. And that's how I became a UFO researcher. We'll see. And that's a cool thing about your origin story is that it actually is tied to a sighting. So you get to tell.

both of yours in the same time, which is always fun. So I think I'm going to start just briefly by mentioning my sighting of the Phoenix Lights. You're probably familiar with the Phoenix Lights. It's a large mass UFO sighting in Arizona, and it was in March of 1997. I was a 17-year-old boy back then, and I grew up in the remote desert on the outskirts of Phoenix. and on that night I was out, I forget, our property had like, I think our house was on like an acre or something of nothing but desert. And we had very few neighbors. It was very, very remote, very, very lonely.

But that night walking around the property, the lights were very hard to miss. We saw a lot of weird things in the sky all the time. And just for fun sometimes, we would go out. out and watch the military dropping flares because from where our house was, we had a clear line of sight to the Barry Goldwater Range where the 8th frequently dropped the test flares that were later attributed to the Phoenix lights. But I knew right from the moment I saw those lights that they were not military flares. I knew that this was something out of the ordinary, something that I had never seen before, and something that I should probably pay attention to. So I stared at these lights. I stared at these lights.

that were seemingly directly over my head, a series of seven lights, and they were completely motionless, completely silent, and did not change in their formation or their appearance at all. They didn't flicker or change color. They were just a constant, steady series of lights hovering in the sky. Now, this frustrates me to no end because of my career now, but as a 17-year-old kid, my attention span was very limited. And after 15 minutes or so, I kind of lost interest and went back inside, did something else.

But I came back later, probably 10 minutes later, the lights were still there. And it gets worse. I grabbed our camcorder, and I recorded these lights. for probably 10 minutes. I'm pretty sure that video was recorded over by one of my brother's soccer games. So that's haunted me for a while. But the Phoenix lights was an incredible thing, and I will say that those lights remained out there, and I didn't see them disappear.

I don't know how they left, but I was aware that they were there for probably a span of 45 minutes. And I will say, recounting any of my UFO sighting experiences, I've learned over the years and having dealt with so many experiences from witnesses and knowing what I know about witness testimony. I think witness testimony is incredibly valuable. I value that probably over much evidence that there is with UFO sightings. However, I do know the problems with eyewitness testimony, especially with my own. I have a terrible brain. And I know thinking back to something that happened so long ago, I would like to firmly say,

say that, oh, I remember there were clearly seven lights and they clearly did this. And I looked at my watch and it was this time to the second. I have no clue. I don't remember what I had for dinner last week, let alone, you know, what happened to the second on a night so long ago. So I do try to preface my stories with that saying, this is what I seem to recall, this is what I think happened to the best of my recollection, but not 100% certain. So I try to avoid very firm details with these stories. Phoenix Lights, however, as incredible as it was, and it became such a monumental case, you know, the largest mass siting in modern history, wasn't the one that had the most effect on me. And I hate

saying this because it makes me sound like a jerk. But to this point, I mean, I've lost count of how many UFO sightings I've had. And when I say UFO sightings, again, this is coming from this perspective of somebody who is a UFO researcher and journalist, somebody who's done this professionally. I was paid a salary full-time, 50 hours a week. for a period of seven years to do nothing but UFO research. So I have reviewed and analyzed literally thousands of UFO photos and videos, and being a responsible journalist and researcher, I got pretty darn good at being able to identify mundane things

that pop up in a lot of UFO photos and videos to weed those out and focus on the more interesting cases. So when I talk about my personal UFO sighting, sure, I've seen plenty of junk in the sky because the sky is littered with all sorts of things that looks weird to us. But the things, based on my experience, that defy explanation that I haven't been able to put an answer to, I've lost count, but I say typically it's about a dozen to this point. And again, the Phoenix Lights isn't the most exciting one to me, although it's the most well-known and became this giant thing as it should,

because it's incredibly important and fascinating. I think my first sighting as a researcher happened with the aid of night vision. And if you ever had the ability to use night vision and go skywatching, it is incredible. You see all sorts of stuff that you have no ideas there. And again, a lot of this stuff is normal stuff that should be there. But then there are the things that make. you scratch your head and maybe sometimes pee your pants, but mostly scratch your head. Speak for yourself.

And, yeah, one of the first times I did an outing with night vision, I did see the objects that you hear reference so often of things moving through the sky seemingly like satellites, with a similar behavior and appearance of a satellite moving through the sky. but then stopping, remaining in that same point, and then shooting off in another direction, and disappearing from sight. Those situations just take your breath away. That can't happen, but it just did. So those are some of the better ones that leave me very excited and have happened multiple times. But there have been a lot of weird sightings too. I mean, they're all weird.

But, you know, Ryan mentioned a triangular shape. That's probably the most commonly cited shape today. But they run the gamut. They really do. And I love the names they come up with, especially in the UK. They have like hamburger-shaped UFOs and things. That are great. I've never seen a hamburger-shaped UFO.

But I have seen a rectangle UFO. And that one was hovering above the freeway. I was driving down the freeway and saw this, object, and it was dark, so you couldn't really see or make out shape of an object until I was directly under it, and I could see that this object was motionless over the freeway. And it was probably, again, who am I, to make this assessment, but I'm guessing it was about 100 feet off the ground. But looking up at it, as we drove under it, I could see edges, and it had lights. It had round, big round lights on each edge of it.

So it was just a big, big rectangle with two circular lights, gigantic craft just hovering over the freeway. And I've seen those actually a couple of times now. I've spoken to many witnesses who've seen very similar craft as well. Yeah, it really does run the gamut. The days of flying saucers have come and gone. I mean, that was a product of its time. But we know now, like people are seeing the weirdest things you can possibly think. of. Some even seem organic. I've come across cases where people see things like almost breathing

or thriving in the sky, like some sort of biological entity almost. It's very interesting, just, you know, trying to, we spend so much time trying to put things in a box, but we can't. We can't. I don't think anyone really can, when it comes to having a UFO setting, because it is something you've sort of, you've never experienced before. There's no box to put it in. And again, I always try to keep an open mind. Even if I think I know an explanation, the most likely explanation for something that I've seen, I know that that's just one explanation.

There could be other possibilities. And one of those, speaking about the biologic UFO, that's another example of one of the weird ones that I've seen with a super crazy high-powered lens in Mexico City. I watched this object seemingly swim through the sky. And looking back at it, now, you know, I was fully convinced this wasn't the case then. Now, as time passes, I consider the possibility more and more that, yeah, it was most likely a research balloon, a weather balloon, because they do have this appearance. It had a long tail where the payload, you know, is typically suspended from. but when I was there, when I was watching this thing move on the camera's LCD, I could see these motions,

I could see what seemed to be intelligent color shifting. It was wild. And so although I do think it probably was a weather balloon and just a result of seeing, with it being so high in the altitude, had high altitude and the sun was reflecting off it quite a bit, causing these seeming color. changes. I still come back to that possibility, based on what I saw. I'm open to the possibility of the biologic UFO. Well, Roswell was a weather balloon too, Jason. Yeah, right. Well, I think we should probably open it up to hear some of our audiences' stories here. So if you would like to share a sighting or an encounter that you may have had, please come up to the microphone and again,

we'll try to keep these as brief as possible so we can allow as many people as possible to share stories. And again, you don't have to share stories. You don't have to use your name. You don't have to use your name. Again, it's not video, it's audio. And certainly we'll be around all weekend. So if you'd like to share your stories with us and not be recorded, that's also a possibility for you later. So we'll keep talking. Feel free to come up to the mic and we'll jump to you as it seems appropriate. I want to point out, I'll bring up another siting. I had in San Diego, or actually I was on my way to San Diego. And this is how, I get so frustrated at myself with how lazy and complacent I've become

with UFO sightings, because I just, I don't know. They don't affect me like they used to. And when I, I've had a couple of these sightings where I'm driving and I see something remarkable. And I should pull over and look at this thing. And I even sometimes have camera equipment in my car and I don't, you know, take photos or video. I just keep driving them all, oh, that's cool. Well, the biggest issue we run into with skeptics is, why didn't you record it?

Why don't these people pull out their cell phone? We have the technology now. It's in our pocket every second. Why aren't we taking photos and videos of these things? At least from personal experience, the last thing on my mind was taking a photo of what I was seeing. It's a very personal, powerful moment. Even if it's a prosaic thing you're looking at that you're looking at, that you're later discover was, you know, something you misidentified. That moment of seeing something you've

never seen before, your total, your reality, your perception being skewed, last thing you're thinking of is, oh, I want to post this on YouTube or Instagram. It's just, I don't think that's really, you're in that immediate moment, like, enjoy it for what it's worth. That's, that's what I say. Does it suck because we don't have photographic evidence of what you saw? Yeah, it does. But I think UFO sightings are deeply personal and they impact you in your own ways. However, your beliefs were before that might be shifted. They might not. Who knows? But I know so many people who are like, oh, that was interesting. And they went on with their day as well. Some people, it changed their entire lives. Yeah. So the last one of San Diego that I should have pulled over for. I was actually

going out to San Diego to see Tom DeLong at Two the Stars. And I was driving. It was very early in the morning, I mean, very, like, probably an hour or two before the sun came up. So it was still dark, driving on the road, only vehicle on the road. And I saw this light ahead that was in the sky, but I couldn't tell how far off the road it was. I assumed that it was an airplane. But as I kept driving, it seemed to just stay in the same place, and it was there for quite a while. And I had a clear view for a very long stretch of nothingness road. And so I just assumed, well, this must be a planet then because clearly the angle I'm at I can't tell

perspective but it's a planet it hasn't moved it hasn't changed in appearance and it's pretty prominent so I think it's a planet as I kept approaching it was still there I thought but that can't be a planet it's too low in the sky I kept getting closer and closer and it stayed in that same

spot I was all wait a second I need to start paying attention to this so as I got closer and closer I could tell I was going to pass directly under it and as I did I looked up and there was just a solid light there in the sky, pretty far up, but still quite seemingly large and bright. As I passed it, I saw a sign for a rest area. So I took the exit, got off at the rest area, got out of my car, turned around. I was gone. It was nothing there.

Welcome to our lives. Yeah, it's got to pull over faster. Yeah, yeah. Hi. Hi there. I just want to share my story, although I wish I had a closer experience like you. but my friends and I, this was back in the early 90s, we were at the Wachucet Reservoir, and we were watching, you know, the Perseid meteor showers that night, and we were looking up in the sky, and, you know, far up, everything just looks like a white dot, right?

Those are the stars. And all of a sudden, one of those dots, from north to south, started jumping down in a straight line. So it wasn't blinking. It was like jumping, and then it stopped and made a perfect 90-degree change to the east and did the same thing and then blinked off and I said to my friends, did you see that?

They laughed at me. I said, what could that possibly be? But it was so far up. You could be a star. That's what it looked like. But it couldn't have been a star because stars don't move like that. So we really couldn't figure out what it was.

But it was exciting. That's terrific. Yeah. I mean, the whole stopping and making a 90-degree turn. Right. To me, I mean, no conventional aircraft with a pilot could survive something like that. And it was so high. Not like, you know, a space station doesn't do that or anything like that.

Yeah. So. You do have to wonder, for sure. Yeah, I mean, of course, like, you want to jump to, it was aliens, but we don't know. Right. You don't know. Right. But at the same time, you have to wonder.

And it was fun to see. And my father also had an experience that he told me about that was a little closer. He was driving down the street with his wife, and off into the woods, he saw these rotating different colored lights. And they both looked, and they saw that it was some kind of typical round craft. That was just going through the woods following the road that they were on, and eventually, you know, got too forested and you couldn't see it anymore. But I wish I had been there for that one, because that was a little. little bit closer of an encounter and I didn't you know but yeah I find it

fascinating. Really fascinating. Yeah. A lot of people always say like, you know, I want to see a UFO. I want to see a UFO and I understand that impulse for sure. I'm happy. I saw what I saw, I guess. It led me on this path I am today into

this room right now even but at the same time it was really scary. Yeah, it probably would be. When you're young like that too. Yeah. At such a young age yeah. It really I wouldn't say traumatized me, but it definitely changed my perception of the world. But you didn't have missing time. Correct?

That's a tough one. I had what many have coined the Oz Factor occur when I had my sighting. This feeling of everything slowing down around you and your senses are just going all over the place. Like I said, I had this weird vibration going through my body. and just everything seemed to be blurry and going in slow motion. When I finally did yell for my dad to come out, it felt like forever when in reality it was probably just like that. I don't know.

I don't know how long the event lasted, to be completely honest. Memory is available at times. What I remember most is how I felt, and I think that's the same for a lot of people. They grab onto that one thing they know best, and that's how they feel during something, not how high up was it, how big was it? Yeah, those things are great, and we would love those as investigators.

If we can narrow in, we can try to figure out what it was. But at the same time, whatever you saw that night and whatever your father saw, like, that's for you. Right. It's for you. Thank you. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, I will say that you touched on it.

A lot of people ask us, how do I see a UFO? Where do I go to see a UFO? It's something that a lot of people ask. And, I mean, sadly, or maybe not so. sadly that there is no magic formula to seeing UFO, but what I always tell people is just look up. If you invest the time, you'll probably see something because there's a lot of stuff up there all the time, day or night. So sky watching isn't for everybody. It can be incredibly boring because it's a lot of time where a lot of nothing is happening. But the times I've gone and really spent

full nights staring at the sky, you see some of the greatest stuff. even if it's not alien. The things, the natural things going on in our world are just as exciting that are up there. It's astounding. Hi. Hello. This was in the 90s. I was visiting a friend in Pagos Springs, Colorado, right near Dulce, Mexico.

So there's a lot of activity I hear around there. So I had been interested in UFOs, and I was visiting her. I got there a little late. It was dark. at that time. And we went out on her deck, had a great view. So I saw some planes coming in from the left, very long view. And so I said, hi. They're just joking. Wow. Two planes turned into about eight. Boom, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, as if they answered me. He was like, hi. Wow. Wow. That was interesting.

Interesting. Have you tried that again? To go back to, well, to go back to, there must be some familiarity with me, of me, because this wasn't a sighting, but this had to do with totally inexplicable. When I was, I'm a twin. They liked to study twins, I gather. And I must have been about six, five, six years old in Indiana. used to like to watch for whatever reason, the stars at night, and Venus. I was just fascinated. I was watching it every night. Well, it must have been earlier than that, because I was still in diapers, I guess.

It must be earlier. But maybe that's why later I was watching Venus, having forgotten about this. Very small. Me and my twin brother in Indiana were found outside. all the windows closed in the morning, wandering around in our diapers. Doors closed, windows closed. That was interesting. Mom told us about it.

I don't remember specifically. And then very shortly after that, during the summer, we would have simultaneous bleeding noses. Wow. Something's happening there. We didn't think anything of it. Oh, Glenn has a. has a bleeding nose.

Oh, you do too. We're in separate bedrooms. So that may have been some early connection, but it wasn't a visual, other than I was looking at the stars. And then another interesting thing that when you think about it, I had this big fear of being, and I didn't have the word abducted, did not have that, or kidnapped or anything.

But I just knew that I didn't want to be taken away. and I and I would the thing under the bad bad guy under the bed kind of thing or a closet now I was apparently very rather courageous because I got up and looked in that closet just to prove my brother wrong

and let me see it's a lot it's a lot these things are very rarely chronological they're messy they're again there's snippets of things that we sometimes try to push down or don't want to remember. But, yeah, that's all very interesting. Yes, the whole missing time and bloody nose thing. We come across that a lot in researching the quote-unquote abduction phenomenon.

Thanks for filling in. Yeah. I saw a cartoon because I was really worried about being taken away. I don't know why. I saw this cartoon of a teddy. bear that was a paper cartoon. Teddy bear and the teddy bear,

some bad people were going to take these people. The teddy bear became a big bear and protected him. I thought of the head of teddy bear every time that would grow into a grizzly bear. And those children were not being taken away. They were kidnappers. I had a word for it then.

So there you go. Those are some experiences of mind. Thank you. much for sharing. Thank you very much. You're welcome. I appreciate that. Hey. I'll make this quick. I live in New Jersey by Fort Dix,

four McGuire, Fort, Fort, Lake Hurst Naval Station. They're all together, right? I'm sure you heard about an alien getting killed in Fort Dix, way back and stuff. This was back in August this year.

This was what led me here as my first UFO conference ever. I went outside of my mother's house, right? Talking on the phone, there's a little woods, a service road, and then this big, bar and parking lot. Power lines in front of me. I walk out there talking to my cousin. I'm looking up. I think at 8.10, a movie was coming on, so at 8 o'clock. I knew I had like 10 minutes.

And I look up and you see a plane flying in the air. And I look over to the left and a lane approaching. And I remember whatever she was saying, I'm like, wow, I said, this thing's like really bright, you know? And she's like, maybe it's a UFO. We laughed. And when I took a step back, I remember the power lines, the plane moved under it because my head moved. Well, this light, like, almost followed my head. And I'm laughing, I'm joking, and this thing started getting closer and closer. Now, my heart started pounding. And I'm saying, this can't be happening. So instead of running like I was, I stopped.

They said, let's see if it's really coming after me. And this thing was coming straight over me. So now I ran. When I got to the beginning of the trail, I looked up and it was gone. I don't know what made me look up, but about 200 feet over my head was a ball of light, and you can see something moving in it. I entered a completely different level of fear. And I took off.

What you said before, probably after two steps, I felt like somebody poured cement on me, and I could barely get to the garage. I was dragging my feet across the sidewalk as I was trying to, like, run in. And when I got into the garage about a two or three feet in, I felt like I got everything back. Fell on the ground, got up, ran in the house. My mother sees me all in a panic. I don't know what to sit on her. You know, I'm looking out the windows and everything. and then she's like,

I thought she'd be back earlier. And so what do you mean? Now I hear the phone ringing. It's my phone. I don't have it on me. It's in the garage. I go. It's under my mother's truck.

I pick it up, and she's like, what's all the commotion out there and everything? There was helicopters flying in the back around and everything, and then it dawned on me. It was pitch blackout. 47 minutes of my life was gone. Ran off the clock. The question I have for you is,

people told me you should go to hypnithotherapy or something. But other people tell me not. It's like, I don't know whether I want to know what happened, because it blows me away that I can remember every second from when I seen it to the garage. But 47 minutes ran off the clock. That's incredible. But if you recommend it, I don't know. It's still like up in the air if I even want to know what happened. I never seen a UFO before.

I don't even know what this thing was. But wow, that's my story. That's incredible. Thank you for sharing. I will just add in terms of hypnotherapy, it's tough. It's, I think, again, it's up to the individual. I don't promote it. I also don't condemn it by any means.

If that's something you want to do to try to get some stuff out, I say go for it. But at the same time, it's hard. It's hard because you have to trust the person you're going to. You have to make sure that there's no sort of contamination or leading questions when it comes to all that. And it also, if you want to remember what happened is another big one. If you're good with what you remember, I say that's enough for me. That event clearly had an impact on you. And I say run with that.

Not to make light of any situation like that, but I've certainly been told by many, many, many people over the years at UFO conferences. that they can fill in blanks for me, and they have, they're happy to, and have informed me that I'm a collaborator, collaborator with extraterrestrials, and they've been aboard the same ships I have, and I've been a commander aboard a ship, and they were taken the same night I was there, and they saw me working with the extraterrestrials. So I've heard that story multiple times, so I hear it without going to Hypnotheraeratial. I know a lot of hypnotherapist. Yvonne Smith is a good one I would recommend if you're looking for something like that. But I don't know.

I would take it with a grain of salt. Yeah. Go to an actual therapist, too. Yvonne does good work. Yeah. Yeah, if someone who's completely disconnected from the UFO topic might be a good choice. Or, again, yeah, deal with it on your own terms, I guess. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. It's good advice. Hello. So this happened about three years ago in Ashburn, Virginia. It's not too far from Dulles Airport. And this was at nighttime about 8.30 or so. I was picking my daughter up from work. And I just always have a habit of just looking up at night.

I don't know why I just always do. And I noticed 12 objects in the sky. And I was like, okay, this is kind of strange. There were 12, I'll say flying saucers, but like 12 disc-like objects. They were all kind of bunched together. And they had like, it was like red, white, and green lights. They were traveling as a bunch. And I told my kids, I had my kids in the car.

I was like, look, you know, look, what is that? And they're like, oh, I don't know. And so we watched them for a minute. And as I was driving, I kept looking. I'm like, what's going on? And then all of a sudden, it was like there was a sudden, drop and then they darted off in different directions quickly and I've never seen anything like that. I'm like planes don't travel like that and planes wouldn't, you know, do what I saw? I'm like,

what in the world is that? And we were, as I was driving, I was like, oh my goodness, I'm so scared. I just want to hurry up and get in my house because I didn't know what was going on. I called my husband at work. He thought I was crazy. I'm like, there's something going on in the sky. I don't know if you don't hear from me again. This is what's going on. And I told some of my coworkers and stuff the next day what I saw and everybody's like, oh, you're crazy. You're crazy as nothing. And we're so close to Dulles.

It was planes. I'm like, no, it's not planes. And I have a cousin who's a pilot, and I was telling him about it. He's like, no, planes don't act like that. So I don't know what it was, but it really scared me. Yeah, I feel like it's in our nature to have that defense first. You know, we see something we don't know what it is, we can't explain. it's going to be a threat, it's possibly a threat.

You know, whereas some people, you know, like, someone like Travis Walton saw a UFO and was like, I'm going to go, I'm going to go out, and I want to see what's going on with this thing. So those are rare occasions, I would say, when that wonder, awe, and excitement takes over. It was just, it was scary. And I guess what really scared me is the fact that there were so many of them, because I stopped counting at 12. There may have been more than that. But the fact that they were just, you know, they were all kind of traveling together for a minute, and they just darted, I mean, like a sudden drop almost,

and then this one went here, and this one, I mean, this, in different directions quickly. Interesting. Wow. Wow, thank you. Thank you. And with how common UFOs are, I mean, they're seen every day by people all over the world,

you know, it's fascinating and sad that we still have to deal with the ridicule factor. It's still so strong. I mean, you know, I'm sure many of us have had that reaction at work telling people a story or something that happened to us, and getting that laugh, getting the ridicule. I have lost so many second dates bringing up this topic. It's a good way to weed out of date, though. It is. It's true. It really is a good filtering mechanism, I guess, for sure.

Hi. Mine is more of an experience that I can't explain. I'm a few decades older than you guys, but the first part of this that happened in the 50s. And unlike most people, I can remember my childhood very vividly, and I was very precocious and active, walked at seven months, started knocking things off the top of the refrigerator by climbing up right after that. So I was about two, and we were traveling through Missouri, and I heard my, in the back seat, and I heard my father say, look at that, look at that.

And he says, what is that? And he and my mother got out, they stopped the car and got out to look at whatever it was. And I thought, well, I want to see it too. You know, I'm just rambunctious. I've got to be in everything. But the whole time I felt like something was pressing me down on the back seat. And I couldn't get up. And then I went to sleep.

Now, jump forward a couple of years. I lived in very isolated areas. We didn't have a television. I had no exposure to anything that would be considered science fiction or anything else. Although I think my father had taken some astronomy. He had a Ph.D., so that was one of the courses he took. But when I was five, I had this really vivid dream. I can still visualize it.

And it was something I couldn't understand. And I didn't have the vocabulary to explain it, which, you know, makes me feel a little bit sympathetic towards the stories of encounters from the Bible and whatnot, because they didn't have the technical language either. But I tried to tell my father about it after I woke up, and I'm giving him these detailed and, you know, descriptions. and he kind of teared up. He says, what you just described was a spaceship going around Mars, and the two smaller items were Phobos and Demos, which are the moons. I had never heard of anything like that, but it was just really vivid.

So I don't know if some information was implanted or how that would have come about, but that's my story. Fantastic. Thank you for Jerry. Thank you. Yeah, there's always. a interesting physiological effect too, I think, a lot of these times, or even parapsychological. I've come across cases where people have said that I just something told me I should look up in the sky at this moment,

or I should go outside, or I should look out my window right now, and almost like it's drawing them to see it, where on the other hand, we have so many cases where the UFO just fell into their lap, complete happenstance. So I don't know what to make of that, the motives of these craft or these intelligence, but it really is a wide spectrum, for sure. And I just thought of something. Another thing I like to point people to when they ask that question about, how do I see a UFO, where do I go to see a UFO? More times than not, when you read, and again, UFOs are in mainstream media every day,

more times than not, the stories that are reported of people having UFO sightings involve people walking their dogs. So walk your dogs more people. So that's a good way to do it. And I also want to say, again, with the UFOs being in the mainstream media, there has been a lot of, a lot of the coverage lately has been pointing out how the numbers of UFO sightings are down. There's been a decline, and I would caution you to read that properly. So what they're looking at is the number of reported sightings. And I will say this, having mentioned that I've had my 12 plus sightings, you know how many I've reported? Most people who see UFOs don't report them. So that number is misleading.

I didn't know what Mufon was when I was 12 years old. A lot of people don't. The famous UFO lecturer Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist, when he speaks at events, he will ask the audience. How many people have seen a UFO? 95% of the people raise their hands. And then he says, how many of you reported it? Maybe one person. So it's hard.

It's hard. There's so many reasons for not reporting it. I get it. I totally get it. You're afraid of what people might think. Or maybe you came up with an explanation for it before you reported it. Or maybe you just don't want to know. But at the end of the day, I think, yeah, if you see something, say something.

That's what they tell us in New York. And I encourage people to report their sightings. Absolutely. And that data is valuable. And I think Mufon and the National UFO Reporting Center do a fantastic job. They do a great job of tracking this stuff. It's stuff that should be tracked. Is it exciting when people say I saw a light in the sky?

No, it's not. But it's still data that somebody should be tracking, and I'm glad that they do it. That being said, when you take a look at these reporting forms, some of them are very lengthy. And that's probably why I haven't reported mine. because long forms to fill out. And they should be. I mean, there's more to a UFO sighting than I saw light in the sky at this time and this day. Yeah.

At the end of the day, I think, too, reporting it normalizes this topic more and more. When we see everyday people, I have spoken to so many police officers, military people, doctors, teachers, psychologists, everyone. Everyone has a story to tell. I've seen something weird. So I think, you know, reporting it, even if it's like to your local newspaper or whatnot, it normalizes this topic. It strips the ridicule from it. And I think we can start having better conversations with more people about this. I mean, just look at this room right now.

These are so many people that you could talk to about having seen something, no matter what it was. Maybe they could help you find an explanation for it. Conferences are a great place to do that. They're like a safe space where all the similarly minded people. people are in a room and the ridicule factor is not going to exist here. But I will say the stigma is going away. It might not feel like it at times, but it is dramatically improving. And look, I mean, again, Alien Khan is a perfect illustration of that. UFOs and extraterrestrial topics have moved into pop culture. So it's accepted now. Poll after poll indicates that, you know,

majority of the people on this planet believe that extraterrestrials exist. and most likely have been here and may be here now. So, you know, that initial reaction with people is going to stick around for a while. The giggle factor, the ridicule factor, can tell you how many people hear us, when they hear that we're taking UFOs seriously, they breathe a big side of relief and then open up, but their initial reaction is to laugh because they think we're kidding. Yeah. When we say that, you know, we take UFO seriously.

and when they find out that we're serious, then they can let their guard down and go, all right, they're not going to make fun of me. So it's a nice feeling. It really is. Yeah, I remember my parents came to see me talk at a UFO conference for the first time ever. And skeptics, again, they grew up knowing I was interested in the topic.

I don't think they knew how serious I actually was about it. But they came to see me speak in New York last year, I think it was. And afterwards, my mother came up to me, and I've never seen her so brutally honest, and she looked at me and said, this is real. Like, this stuff is real. And I was like, yeah. I mean, according to the data and the evidence and what I've looked at and the people I've spoken to, I legitimately believe this is a real phenomenon. People are having these experiences. I don't know what it is, but it's happening.

And it's happening all over the world. And this isn't just a Western phenomenon. other countries embrace this topic, that ridicule factor is nowhere to be found. So I think if we do that here, we're in good shape. And people like my mom, who was a staunch skeptic, is starting to come around and be like, wow, I should look more into this. And yeah, that was a pivotal moment for me for something like that. And that's when I knew that the ridicule factor was leaving, for sure. I'm optimistic.

Yeah, me too. Well, we want to thank the awesome AlienCon audience for participating with us today. And as we wrap up this episode, I'll quickly let you know that my podcast, Unknown, is available on all the podcast places. And certainly all the episodes are on our website, rogue planet.tv. Yeah, other than that, there's an experience for session later today at 240. Come talk to me. I want to hear you this story. Hey, I'm Jason McClellan.

Thank you for joining us. Do me favor of friends. Stay strange. Hi, my name's Jason. I'm 40 years old, and I reside in a rural part of eastern Oregon. Before I get into my experience, I want to just state where my interest in UFOs originates. When I was probably in the fourth or fifth grade, I saw a commercial for Time and Life's Mysteries of the Unknown. Now, in this commercial, there's a segment in which they show these recurring pictures of what would return gray aliens, and it shows it over and over again. Now, I remember the fear that I felt at that age looking at those pictures, and subsequently, any time I would walk around a corner, I would always be afraid that I would see one.

Or, you know, I thought that if I would ever look through a window, maybe I would see one staring at me. So I would always make sure that the windows were shut, the blinds were closed, and they were latched. That's the last kind of experience I wanted to have. But that's where my interest originates, I guess. Now, the experience that I had, it happened in late June of 2011. Now, I'm a jogger, and I was jogging on this path between this sports complex and the local high school where I live. Now, westward are some mountains, and at this time it was dusk, so the sun had just set behind the peaks of those mountains, but there was still a little bit of light coming through. Now, out of nowhere, I just decided to look over to my right towards the mountains.

And as I look over to my right, I see this flash of light. And my first thought was since it was at the base of the mountain where a lot of fields are, that it was probably a crop duster or just a helicopter, and the light was being reflected off the metallic surface. I mean, it seems logical enough, right? Well, as I keep looking, I notice that it starts speeding up and that this light is, isn't just a flash, but it's a sustained ball of light. Now, as it approaches what you would term a badland hill at the base of one of these mountains, and it's heading southward, by the way, it's moving in the same direction I am.

So as it approaches this hill, it shoots up at what I would describe to be probably a 60-degree angle, and it does so very rapidly. Now, as it goes up, it heads left to my direction, which is eastward. And it approaches me at a high rate of speed. Now, when it finally comes above my head, there are two things that I noticed. First of all, it's blinking really fast, almost as if it were a really fast strobe light. It was producing that type of effect. And at the same time, it looked like it was undulating.

And this was like a darker shade of yellow, is the color I would describe it. And, you know, when I see this passing over my head, I remember distinctly thinking, oh, my God, I can't believe this is actually happening. You know, you hear about this on on TV maybe, or you read about it in books or magazines, or on crazy internet forms where people talk about crazy things all the time. But you never really think that it's going to happen to you and you never really think that you're going to see this. Well, I saw it. Hands down. Now, as it passes over my head, it keeps going in the same direction and it's gaining altitude at this point.

As it gets higher into the atmosphere, it pulsates three or four times. And then it immediately, it looks like it snuffed out as if someone snuffed it out like a candle. I mean, it just disappeared. It contracted and was gone. Now, when I was on my way home, I finished my jog, and the bizarre part about all of this is that, yes, I was surprised. Yes, I was kind of excited, but at the same time, I had this really calm, serene feeling. And it didn't really feel natural, to be honest. It felt like it was something surreal.

Like it didn't really happen, but it did. Now, a couple of days later, my wife and I are at our friend's house eating dinner. And I bring this event up to them. And the reason why I did this was because the place where this light originated from when I saw it was right near their property. They owned property right there on the base of the mountain. So I'm like, hey, guys, there's something going on over here? Did you see anything? I'd really like to know if you did.

And of course they didn't. And that night when we left, my wife and I were driving on the highway towards our house. And I decided to look left over into the direction where I had seen that light a couple of days before ago. And I see what appears to be an orange ball of light rising into the air at a steady speed. Really slow and steady. So I pointed it out to my wife and I am like, so, hey, do you see this? And she's like, yeah, I see it. So we pull over.

and we get out of the car. And by the time we get out and we look up, there are now three balls of orange light in the sky. And they're forming what appeared to be an equilateral triangle. I mean, they were very evenly spaced, right? And then after looking at it for a couple of minutes, they one by one went out. Now, I'm thinking about these experiences.

And, you know, sometimes you think it could be anything, but I have a really weird feeling that the synchronicities in this, are too uncanny. I'm not really much of a metaphysical person in that way. I'm not really into the woo factor, so to speak. But in retrospect, when I look back on these events, I ask myself, what are the odds that I would look in that direction at that time

and see that light and have it passed directly over my head, almost as if it were coming in my direction purposefully for me to see it? when I first thought about this, I thought, you know what? It seems like it was trying to avoid being seen because it was going so fast. But the more I think about it, it almost seems like it wanted to be seen both times. Because the fact that I was looking in those directions at that specific time, in that specific way. It really kind of reinforces that fear that I've always had about shutting my windows and whatnot, especially into my older age now, I suppose.

But one thing I think that makes this really poignant, so to speak, is that some people will say, I know what it is I saw. I know what I saw. I'm not at the same mind. I say I have no idea what I saw. I don't know what it was. However, I do know what it was not. It was not a plane.

It was not a satellite. It was not a balloon. It was not a helicopter. It was nothing. man-made. That's for sure. My name is Elle from Northeast Ohio. I was about seven when this sighting occurred.

It was the first I can ever recall. It certainly wasn't the last, though. I loved to play this game in my backyard that I called Bus Driver. It's exactly the way it sounds. I walk around the yard and pretend that I was a bus driver picking the kids up to go to school. I don't know why it was fun, but I loved doing it, and I did it almost every single day. This particular day, I remember there was something going on inside the house.

My mom's family was over, so I slipped away, went outside, and started to play my game. and when I got closer to the house, there was a deck on the back of the house that had a set of steps that were right at the back of the house. Like you could go up the steps and go right inside the door. And when I got there, something compelled me to look up and look over my shoulder kind of behind me. and they're like maybe 20 or 30 feet in the air, not very high out the ground, was the literal definition of a flying saucer. Absolutely the most typical saucer that, you know, you could see in pop culture, that you usually see in pop culture. It was small, incredibly small. Like if there were people inside, there could only be one.

That's how small it was. And we lived in a ranch home that my parents had just built. So it was not, you know, it was, you know, exactly that about 20 to 30 feet up, like, tall. And the craft didn't even clear the chimney. It's crazy how long the moment was. went on or goes on in my memory because there are so many details that I can recall. I remember it was silver, but it wasn't reflective. It had three lights that I could see. And they were turned off, but I could see what colors they would be if they were turned on.

One would be blue, one would be yellow, and one would be red. And it was just so, small. That's still, to this day, one of the two things that baffles me the most, just how small it was and how close it was. I had never experienced anything like this. I had never wanted to. It had never been something that was what I was interested in. I loved Barbies and Hot Wheels. I didn't care about space. I didn't care about aliens. I didn't care about any of that stuff. So for me to see this was odd. It wasn't something that I would have been seeking out. Sometimes in the memories I can recall a figure

or being inside the dome on top of the craft. Sometimes I can't. I'm not sure which it would be. Maybe it was both. Maybe it was something I'm, just creating in my mind. But I know what I did see. And I know that it was there in front of me.

Everything was silent. Like, there was no sounds. I don't even know what really compelled me to look up because I was just minding my own business, playing my little bus driver game, and something caused me to look up. I ran inside. I didn't want to be around anything like that. When I got inside, my great-grandmother was standing right there, and she's like,

oh, you look like you just saw a ghost. I'm like, all I could say was no, and shook my head, and I didn't say anything about it to her. At some point, I did tell my parents, my dad didn't believe me. My mom didn't say anything at the time, but I found out later that, that she most definitely did believe me. My dad thought it was an excuse to not have to go outside because in the months that followed over that summer, I didn't want to go outside, whether I was with someone or not.

I didn't want to see that again. I would sit on the floor of my bedroom with my yellow line tablet and draw this house, draw this girl, and then draw this flying saucer. And it was utterly silent when the incident happened, but when I was drawing these, I would always have some kind of caption on that flying saucer. It would always say something like the one I remember the most is,

L, it's us, we're not here to harm you. And it's like I had never known, about aliens or abductions or anything like that. So I don't know why I added, you know, those little captions on to these pictures. I hid them. I know eventually my mom did see them, but I hid them and eventually I threw them away

because I was embarrassed. And that's how I've felt in the following years since that first sighting. There's been other sightings. There's been other experiences that should confirm to me that I'm not crazy. But I do feel so crazy every single day for believing in, you know, aliens and UFOs and being on this journey of truth-seeking. I used to be so shameless when in my young teen years I was so shameless about making trying to make people believe in it. I thought that if they heard my story, then they would have to believe it because they know me.

Why would I lie? So therefore my story to me was the most compelling truth to them to make them believe it. but I kind of became an outcast in part because of that belief. And eventually I kind of shut up about it. I never really speak about it publicly anymore. I just live and let be. There are other experiences that I've had that I shouldn't feel so insane. But every single day of my life,

life, I do. I completely feel crazy for seeing the things that I've seen and believing what I do. They say seeing is believing, but I guess sometimes even seeing it can't make you believe it. This is Cameron Brower. Thanks so much for having me. I grew up in northern Montana right near the Canadian border, the nearest town with over 100 people in it, was about 25 miles away, so I was surrounded by millions of acres of empty prairie, topped by an endless sky full of stars, and well, in that part of Montana, you can definitely see some UFOs. I would almost guarantee that if anyone went out to that part of the prairie, only a mile or so from the house that I grew up in and spend three or so nights looking,

you'd probably see a UFO, probably more than one. My friends and I spent countless night sleeping under the stars, we would stare most of the night at the sky and we would see amazing things like satellites and other things that look like satellites, but probably weren't. These dim lights would travel across the sky just like a satellite, but they would do other things that were amazing. Just when you thought you were looking at another satellite, the small dim light above would stop, or it would change direction 90 degrees or do a complete 180. Sometimes they would even approach other lights with identical intensity and stop, then continue on and stop at another light,

sometimes stopping three or four times before they would blast across the sky at unimaginable speeds and disappear. During the summer of 1983, which was the year between my sophomore and junior year of high school, I had a job. I worked at a radio station. My usual shift was about 6 p.m. to midnight. I had my own car and I drove the 25 miles to and from work several times a week. After work, that always gave me a chance to do a lot of thinking and to also look for lights in the sky and other strange looking lights,

which were not too hard to find even when driving. So one night I was traveling home a little later than usual. I was about halfway home. There was no moon, and I was only car on the road. This was not unusual. If you were on this stretch of highway, you were most of the same. likely a trucker going to or coming from Canada. I was listening to my AM radio in my old 66 Chevy when all of a sudden an emerald green light lit up the whole sky, and I'm talking the whole sky.

The light was coming from my side of the car and I quickly looked over just in time to see the green streak the object made across and parallel to my left to the horizon. There was also a whoosh sound, but not so much because of the object or the object flying through our atmosphere. It was almost like the light object made its own sound. And I know that's hard to explain, but there was definitely a whoosh sound. I estimate the light was more than 40 miles away, but less than 80. I could see the Rocky Mountain front behind the light, and I saw something else as well. I saw what looked like dozens of great dots and dashes that were peppering the night sky

just above the horizon of the Rockies. I knew these gray dots were the profile of some kind of craft that were probably floating in the night sky. They were absolutely in formation, and I could barely make them out after the green light was totally gone, but they remained there maybe for 20 seconds or more, just kind of hovering. Then something incredible happened.

In formation, they moved slightly forward, and then made an abrupt ascent and began spiraling and formation into the sky. They were in groups, spiraling and heading totally vertical. And then there was a flash of green at the highest point in their travel, and they became one gray streak that actually glowed a little grayer in the sky as they continued straight up. They definitely seemed to bleed into one streak

as they stretched up and out of sight in an incredible flash and an incredible demonstration of speed. and in less than a second they were gone. There was another brief flash of green at that point, very high in the sky, and they disappeared. I didn't get the impression they were making that green glow at all. I am definitely thinking they were under fire or making an escape. I couldn't see anything pursuing them, but for sure they were trying to flee something. So I can't help but wonder if I witnessed some kind of interstellar battle right here on Earth.

right in the middle of the middle. Thank you so much for having me. I love your podcast, Ryan. Good luck. Hi, Ryan. This is Brandy from Omaha calling in my story. Back in October of 2011, my then-fiance and I were driving home from dinner one night, and it was still kind of early, so we decided we were going to hit a couple of the local bars on the way home. On our way back, we were coming over this expressway, and looking up, there was probably about seven to ten. reddish, amber-ish colored lights all throughout the sky. We really wanted to pull over and just watch them, but there was really nowhere on this expressway to pull over safely, so we just kind of slowed down and just kept staring at him and driving, and it didn't really seem like any of the other

drivers were paying any attention to him. Nobody else was slowing down. Nobody else was pulling over anything. So we were just kind of watching them as we were trying to drive, and we just kept noticing more and more of them just kind of just kept blinking out. One of them remained by the time that we got parked to go into one of the bars. And the thought that struck me was, I just got past this. And that thought just kind of kept just rolling around in my head. And it sat with me for some time, but I kind of didn't think in anything else of it. And then a few years later, I had kind of a whirlwind of experiences all just kind of happened.

at the same time. I kind of started back up again in April of 2015. I awoke to the sound of this tapping noise what would have been on one window or corner of the house. So I went to go see what was making the noise. And that's when I noticed there was another light outside of the window and it was just kind of flashing this erratic, white, red, multicolink to it. And it was just kind of fascinating.

and I was watching it for a little bit and I would notice it would kind of just bounce and weave and move around just enough to be noticeable but not really go anywhere. And I think I sat and watched it for maybe about an hour before I just finally got tired of it, went to bed. And for the next few nights, it was just there and every night. And then after about a week or so, I stopped seeing it. After that point, I just kind of got hit with the flurry of just synchronicities and all kind of all the, all the, these little signs pointing to things that were going on in my life. And I had this mad rush to try and read and take in and consume anything I could about UFOs, aliens, experiencers, anything of that fashion. And it was just a non-stop drive to try and consume everything that I could. And I think

in that time, a lot of childhood memories came back of stuff that has happened to me collectively over the years and I had one experience that I always thought was a dream but turned out thinking back I don't really think that was the case I lived right next to my grandparents when I was little and so during the summer when my parents were at work I had free rein to bounce between my grandma's house and mine and one summer afternoon I was playing in my room and my room had four windows and it because it was kind of on the back corner of the house. And they were pretty tall. I'd say maybe about 10 feet off the ground or so. I had this girl come and tap at my window, and I didn't think anything of it because I had half sisters that would sometimes come and visit me. And so I just didn't really

think anything of it. And I didn't know this one girl in particular, but I remember her coming to play with me one other time, and she had red hair. And for some reason, I thought she was another one of my half sisters because I only saw them once every couple times a year. So I mean, I was small, maybe like four or five, so I didn't really pay attention to who some of these people were. And this girl, she came tapping at my window. And I remember thinking, how did you get up there? And she wanted me to come outside and play. And so I did. I don't really remember going out, but I did. And we were playing on the swing set. And I kept asking her, I'm like, how did you get up to the window. Well, then I had, there was a little piece of tin that was up against the side of the

house. Well, she said she climbed up it. I tried to replicate it and I couldn't. They just blew it off and I didn't think anything else of it. And it was a little later we were playing on the swing set. She kept trying to ask me to do something and I don't remember what the question was, but I was just so distraught. And I remember thinking, you're mean. I don't want you to come and play with me anymore. And she kept just trying to convince me to go with her and I didn't want to go with her. And then the next thing I remember, I'm standing in the backyard and behind my bedroom there was a fenced off garden. And in this garden was this little scout ship thing. And I remember standing there and she was there and I was begging her that I didn't want to go inside of this thing. And she was just

it was like she just gotten really mean and pushy and she was making me and I was pleading not to do it. I don't remember ever actually going inside of it, but I do remember being inside of it on this dark table. It was dark in there and it had this weird like amber kind of lighting against the floor and that's all I remember. But instead of being face up, I was like face down on the table. And I remember being told not to look. and I at that point I went from being upset to just angry because this girl was talking to whoever was behind me and I wasn't allowed to look and I was mad about it and I remember just laying there crying and crying and the next thing I knew I was back in bed and just sobbing and I remember

just having such relief thinking oh that was such a terrible dream but after that I remember having having friends over and I remember showing them this girl came up to my window and she climbed up and we were trying to climb up the back part of the house like how this girl was to get up how she was and I I couldn't ever do it and I don't know how she did it so thinking back it really wasn't a dream it really did happen and so it there's just a lot of other experiences I'd be happy to call in sometime but that was that was one of the major wake-up calls i've had and i've had a lot of mornings where i've had weird dreams where i felt like they were in my room with me i've woken up with marks to correspond with the kinds of dreams i've had um and it's it was really crazy in some way

i was kind of happy that i had some sort of justification to all the way that i was justification to all the weird things that have happened my entire life. And then also it was very alarming because I have no control over it. And it's kind of lonesome because you don't really have anybody you can talk to about it. Thankfully, my dad has kind of had similar experiences. So he has been kind of my saving grace and that I can talk to him about some of the goings on in my life. And we have had a few sort of shared events. So that's been nice. But for the most part, it's opened my eyes to a lot of things, and it's made me appreciate and take great value in life. And just kind of have a whole new outlook on humanity.

And also, it's very stressful because you never know when things are going to flare up again, and you have no control of how it's going to affect your life outwardly. and a lot of times you just want to talk to somebody about it and you don't always have that opportunity. So you're struggling with things in kind of your private life that you can't really explain to anybody else. And so it's taught me to have a really good balancing act in life. But I thank you for having a platform for us to share our stories. We appreciate hearing that we're not the only people that experience things like this. So thanks, Ryan.

At about 4.44 p.m. on November 26th, 2009, when I walked out of the AVRC facility in Danville, Virginia, they didn't come from anywhere. They didn't suddenly beam in. There they were. Two 20-foot orbs, glowing, beautiful light, rose-colored light, with a thin layer of yellow light around each one, one slightly set higher in the sky, only about 120 feet from the ground, only about 120 feet from where I was standing. And I should have said something profound, but all I could say was, well, will you look at that? I grabbed my binoculars out of my truck, which is right there,

and watched as the first one that I got into focus, the lower one in the sky, began to develop a lip of invisibility that covered the whole sphere in the course of about 14 seconds. after which I moved my binoculars to look at the other one. It too began to have a lip of invisibility that formed and took about 14 seconds to completely cloak it.

Ultimately, the meaning can be boiled down to this as we cannot see the stars during the day or we cannot see the air we breathe. It does not mean it does not exist or they do not exist. What do I draw from the whole experience? that great things are coming with living for, with dying for. And obviously, we are not alone. My name is Tim McMillan, and in 2011,

I saw something in the sky that I still cannot find a prosaic explanation for. It ultimately thrusts me down the rabbit hole of the entire UFO Enigma. That particular night, it was December. It was a very cold night. And I was leaving a friend of mine's house in Rinkin, Georgia, just outside Savannah. It's about 11, 1130 at night, and me and her were just talking in her front yard. And I remember it was a really bitterly cold night. And living here on the coast, it's really on those coldest nights.

So the only times you get to see really nice, beautiful, starry skies. Typically the humidity, we don't get to see some of those really picturesque night scenes that other people get to see. And so we were chatting and just, you know, hanging out before I left. And admittedly, I've always been a stargazer and always had a fascination with the sky. And so I was gazing up in the air when suddenly, inexplicably, out of the blue, these three bright lights just popped up as if somebody was flipping a light switch. and they were in a straight line

and they were the brightest color white you could possibly imagine but yet also had kind of an antique yellow tinge to them it's hard to describe but they were they just like I said it was like somebody cut on a light switch

and it was one of these events it's not something where you see something strange in the sky and you go hey what's that now this was something as soon as it emerged. Both me and my friend were just, holy cow, look at that. I mean, it just dominated the night sky and right in front of us. And perfectly in a straight little row, you know, they were probably about the size of a pea if you held it out at arm's length. And they were

evenly spaced almost in a sequence. And they stayed like that for, I don't know, 10, 15 seconds. And then they all three just went out again as if somebody just cut out a light switch and so you know we were standing there dumb finder what what was that what could that have been and and they were kind of low on the horizon as well and uh you definitely didn't look like anything we had ever seen before and they they stayed off for probably another 15 20 seconds and then all of a sudden the same three lights cut right back on except this time there were two other lights and all of them were in a row as if they were attached to a straight level surface except the two additional lights that came on they were spaced a little distance away from the first three and it was only in all five of them just cut on like that abruptly that suddenly realized that against the ambient light of the horizon there appeared to be this kind of rectangular almost like a giant pizza box that seemed to be blocking out the ambient light on the horizon.

I mean, if this thing was a solid structure, it was huge and low flying. It didn't make any noise, and with all five lights popped up. The lights themselves were so bright. It was kind of difficult to see. But you could see the very straight edges of what looked like a giant pizza box. I don't know what color other than it was darker, darker enough that it kind of blocked out the city lights there. And all five lights stayed on like that for probably another 20 seconds or so. And then all five just disappeared.

Again, it was as if somebody was flipping a switch on and then off. At the time, I was a police officer. I was a sergeant. I ran a shift, a patrol shift. I'd end up being a lieutenant before I retired. And the officer who was with me, she was a sergeant. She still is a sergeant with the police force. And so we were accustomed to working nights.

We worked in an area where there's a lot of military activity, Hunter Army Airfield, Fort Stewart, the Marine Air Station at Puford, the Air National Guard Base. And so we've seen plenty of military planes and airfields. aircraft. But this was not anything like I've ever seen before, either of us. In addition, it was not in an area of the sky that should have, it was not typical for commercial or military aircraft. It wasn't in one of the typical flight lanes. And to this day, I have no idea and I've never anything that could possibly explain what we saw. To my knowledge, there's no flying craft that I'm aware of. There is as large as this thing. I mean, if that solid pizza box shape

was a solid structure, this thing would have to have been three or four football fields big. It was massive. But as soon as those lights cut off, it was as if it just disappeared. I mean, that just, I love mysteries. I love solving mysteries. And so that was such a mysterious occurrence that it drove me crazy. And it ended up igniting this passion and interest to determine what have we seen. And like I said, it thrust me down that rabbit hole of really, I guess, getting into euphology and trying to effort to explain what was it that we saw that night. And so it definitely captured my curiosity.

It fascinated me. And to this day, I would still love to know what it is that I saw. The friend that I was with, it kind of scared her because it was just so outside of the norm of what is supposed to happen. And the thing that would ultimately end up shocking me the most is in my efforts to try to determine what was this that I saw. I remember, you know, doing like every other, you know, normal modern person in society and hitting on Google and type in all sorts of different search terms to try to figure out if I could determine, you know, anything that could account for this. And I ended up on Mufon's website. And when I started looking through their siting reports at the time they were publicly available, I was shocked to find. out that that very same night about 15, 20 minutes before our sighting in a city just west of us, which was the direction that we were observing this object, somebody else had reported it to move on.

That was shocking because there was no doubt in my mind that it was real. But to have an independent eyewitness in a totally different area. area that I still to this day have no clue who those people are. But to corroborate what we had seen, they saw exactly, they described exactly what we had seen. Now this became very, very real. There's no other remaining doubts that somehow we could have hallucinated this, though I never really believed that to begin with. And so then it became very real, because I became a part of, I had seen something with someone else that equally saw it, that now it was real. And I ended up reporting the siding, and I think that was one of the sombering moments was when,

after the investigator, you know, several weeks they had looked into it. And he spoke to me on the phone, and I said, well, what is it? And he said, it's a UFO? We don't know. And that was, like I said, I like solving mysteries, and that didn't stick with me and still hasn't to this day. And so the past eight years since then, I've been very heavily involved in trying to determine not just what I saw, but what are other people saying. And so it ultimately all began that one December night. And yeah, I don't expect anybody to believe it just by my word, but I most definitely know what I saw.

and it wasn't flares, it wasn't peridolia, it wasn't anything like that. It was something. What that something was, I don't know, but it was definitely real. All right, welcome to Somewhere in the Skies. I am your host, Ryan Sprague, and with me today is Jason McClellan from the Unknown podcast, and we are live at Alien Khan, Los Angeles. How's everyone doing?

Oh, thank God. I'm always worried about that. That's going to be cricket. So thank you. Thank you so much for joining me today. You're never crickets at AlienCon. Everybody's excited at AlienCon. This is the best UFO conference, and we do these things all the time.

But AlienCon is by far the biggest and the funnest event, bringing people together of all walks of life to talk about ancient alien theory, aliens in general, experiences, UFOs. It's a place where we can all come together, talk about it, not be judged, and have a good time. So that's kind of what we're going to be doing today. This is a series of my show I call Witness Accounts. And this is where people come on to my show and tell their UFO stories in their own voices.

I think that is much, much more important than me relaying their story to the audience, is hearing them tell their own story, how they experienced it, what they think it was, and the impact it had on their lives. UFOs come and go in the blink of an eye, but the impact they have on people can be extremely strong in many aspects of their lives. So what we're going to sort of start out with here today is telling you guys about our own personal UFO encounters, because we both have had them, and that's kind of set us on the path we are today. So I guess I'll share mine first if you don't mind. Yeah, sure, go ahead. So I was 12 years old, and this was in the central New York area on the east coast, and I was fishing off of a dock at a motel with my parents.

We were on a weekend getaway. and this river, the St. Lawrence River, literally was the border between the U.S. and Canada. And it was just turning dark, and I was out on the dock at the motel fishing by myself, listening to Green Day on my disc men. This is back in 1995. Yep, it was the Duky album. I remember that specifically. And it was starting to get dark, so I reeled my line in because I was done for the night. and I noticed a reflection in the water, and it was three white lights. And at first I thought it was something in the water, so I, like, got down and looked,

and then I realized, you know, clearly this was a reflection. So naturally, I look up, and I can't tell you how high it was, but there was a triangular formation with three white lights and a sort of, like, reddish orange basketball thing in the middle. and it was just hovering above me, this formation. I didn't see like a structure to this thing. I didn't see any mechanics, nothing like that. I only saw this formation of lights,

but I could not see anything behind the formation. I couldn't see the stars. I couldn't see the moon. Nothing like that. And it just hovered silently over my head. It was very, very big. And I remember trying to scream for my father, who was in the motel, probably, I don't know,

maybe like 40 feet away from me. And I couldn't. I couldn't get anything out. I was so scared at what I was looking at. And I felt frozen there. I couldn't move. And I just kind of stared up, kept watching this thing, and then it started to float over the water.

And that's when I finally, for some reason, was able to, like, get out of this frozen state. And I squealed to my father. I was like, Dad, Dad, you got to see this. And he runs out. And he did catch the tail end of this triangular formation as it either headed towards Canada and disappeared out of sight or literally submerged into the water.

Neither of us know we've argued about that, about what we both think happened. But that was kind of it for me. I was terrified at what I'd seen. I knew that planes made noise and this made no noise. It hovered and then started to move silently. And I had nightmares for years after that. I didn't really talk about it with anyone.

and my dad didn't talk about it either. And I kind of became obsessed after that. I wanted to sort of educate myself to get rid of that fear and terror that I felt that night. I started taking out books at the library on UFOs and Bigfoot, anything I could get my hands on. And that kind of sent me on the path I am today interviewing witnesses who've had experiences like me. We're afraid to talk about it for a really long time, but now are ready to embrace it. So it's interesting, every time I hear your story, that the fear you describe, right? Because it seems irrational when you think about it, because this thing didn't do any sort of hostile act towards you.

It didn't do anything that made you think it was going to hurt you. But it was this unknown. And that unknown created this fear. And that's common among people who witnessed these bizarre things they can't explain that are outside of their reality. Oh, absolutely. And I mean, again, I was only a kid, but I knew, I mean, and I was no aviation expert, but I knew that whatever the thing was, it should have been making some sort of noise if this was like a vehicle of some sort or a blimp or even a balloon. Like, this thing hovered, stopped, hovered, stopped, and then went over the water. So it was, it was a fear of the unknown, I think, that really stuck with me. Yeah. But yeah, I know, Jason, you've had a few. experiences. So I would love if you wouldn't mind sharing some of those with the audience as well. Sure. The most exciting one, I think probably has to be the Phoenix Lights, and many of you are probably familiar with the Phoenix Lights, but just a quick overview, the Phoenix Lights

occurred over the state of Arizona and some neighboring states, too, in March of 1997. This was a mass UFO sighting seen by thousands of people across the state, as with any UFO siding and specifically a mass UFO sighting, you have varying stories from all these witnesses. That's how witness testimony works. But essentially, a large craft was seen traversing the entire state by lots of people. There was also a series of about seven lights seen just stationary in the sky. And they were also reportedly military flares dropped that night at a different time that doesn't coincide with the mass sighting that occurred.

What I witnessed that night was a series of seven stationary lights in the sky. And although that doesn't sound all that exciting, especially for somebody like me now looking back on it, somebody who spent more than a decade researching and writing about UFOs and really looking into strange things in the sky and not so strange things in the sky to learn what is up there, what isn't up there, and what things should look like in the sky if I were to see those things. That night was really bizarre for me. So I grew up in rural Arizona on the far west side of the Phoenix metro area. Nothing around. Very remote area, just out in the desert. So I spent a lot of time outside and specifically camping too because there was nothing else for me to do.

It was a very sad childhood. So I spent a lot of time outside and I was just walking around our property that night and happened to notice this series of seven lights just hovering what seemed to be directly overhead. They weren't moving. They weren't making any sound. They weren't altering it all in their luminosity or anything. They were just these solid lights that were there in the sky above my head. So I watched them for a while, and I was pretty fascinated, but I was also a, teenager with a short attention span. So after watching these things for a while, I got bored and I went back inside. Well, it came out sometime later. Those lights were still there. And at some point,

my brain started working properly, and I got the video camera and started recording these things. These lights were what seemed to be over our property. I mean, they were pretty high up, not that high up, but pretty high up. But they were in the sky there. For what I estimate, and again, this is 1997, I don't remember precisely, but I like to say about 45 minutes, these lights were in the sky. I was very familiar with military flares because I grew up where I had line of sight to the Barry Goldwater Test Range, which is where they frequently would drop military flares. I saw these things all the time and knew what military flares looked like and saw them quite frequently. What I saw was not military flares. What I saw, I have no idea what could possibly explain what I saw, even to this day looking back, you know, with hindsight,

knowing what I know now with all of my investigation and looking into UFO specifically, I still cannot come up with any logical explanation for what I saw that night. Yeah, the Phoenix Lights is probably one of the most famous mass UFO sightings in history. And what a lot of people don't really take into consideration is so many people saw this and so many people reported it and so many people were affected by it. And the official title for this episode is the power of witness testimony. And I wanted to ask Jason, along with some of you later on, what importance witness testimony plays within the UFO research that we do. You can have dates and times of a UFO event. You can have all the data you want. But if you don't

have a witness telling the story of what they saw or experienced, we have absolutely nothing to work off of. So how important is that, Jason? Sometimes it's really, like you said, it's all we have, you know, and you and I talk about this a lot, but right now, you know, people want photos and videos of UFOs, and that's fantastic. I would love photos and videos of UFOs, and we see lots of them all the time. However, we know that we live in a time where photos and videos can be faked very easily. You can pull out an app on your phone and create a very realistic UFO sighting right out the window. So, on one hand, as a researcher, you want the best photo and video evidence. On the other hand, you know that only counts for so much. It's

contributing evidence, but you also know it can be very, very faked. However, with the Phoenix Light specifically, I'll point out, yes, you had thousands of witnesses. And that's, you think about that. You're all, oh, that's cool. Thousands of people saw these lights in the sky or saw a craft moving across the state. That's cool. But then you take it further and you talk about the governor of the state at that time. You bring the government into it. And at the time, yes, when people think about this, they think about how he publicly sort of ridiculed it on TV. He held a press conference. He brought out his staff in an alien costume and said, we found the culprit responsible and sort of made a joke out of it. It said, this just shows. people are taking it way too seriously, like, chill out. Later, he went on the record and said he did that because people were freaking out. He wanted to calm the public. But the biggest thing, and again, this comes to witness testimony and the power of witness testimony when you bring the government into it, this was the governor of the state of Arizona.

And he went on CNN and later some documentaries to state that he too saw the Phoenix Lights that night. He was bewildered by them. He had been an Air Force pilot and knew what things looked like in the sky. He actively tried to get answers from the military about what happened that night. They wouldn't give him any information. It wasn't until, I think, more than a year later when they came out and said, oh, yeah, by the way, that was us. We dropped flares, but their explanation they gave didn't even align with the time when the incident happened.

But this was the governor of the state trying to get answers from the Air Force base in Arizona. he couldn't get answers at all. And he also says that not only was he a witness that night, but what he saw was not of this earth. That's the governor of the state of Arizona, going on record, making that claim. So, yes, it's powerful when you have thousands of people, you know, when you talk about it or read about it,

that's just a number out of paper when you're reading a story. You're all, oh, yeah, thousands of people, that's cool. But then when you bring in somebody in a governmental public service position, like the governor of a state also saying, yeah, I saw too, and it wasn't from this planet. That's powerful. It's very powerful.

And I think what's also really interesting is we both work with a colleague named Cheryl Costa who wrote a desk reference book that's literally like this thick. And it goes from, oh, maybe like two decades of UFO reports throughout the United States. It goes by, I think, from like state all the way down to county of reported UFO events. a certain area. And it's amazing to see these graphs and charts of all this data that she's brought forward. But it also helps us as UFO researchers to find these areas, these hotbeds, as we call them, of where all these reports are coming from. So if you have an area in, you know, somewhere in California where there's been 700 reports versus somewhere else in the country that had two reports, we're going to go to that area because clearly there's activity going on there that a lot

people are seeing, and we're going to interview the people who saw these things and get their stories. So I think while data and all that is very important, it's mixing that with the story and trying to find patterns that really brings euphology to life. You have the people who work with witnesses, and then you have the people who record the data. And I love UFO data so much. So Cheryl's work is awesome. It's nice to have that data to point to. But coming back to witness testimony, I love seeing that being a huge emphasis in the History Channel's news show Unidentified, they really focus on witness testimony and specifically the witness testimony of Navy fighter pilots and Navy service members aboard ships who are operating radar systems and, you know,

hearing from service members about UFO encounters. That's also very powerful. Absolutely. I mean, I'm going to be talking to one of the Navy radar operators that was a part of the Nimitz encounter later this week. And already, after a phone interview with him, he told me flat out, like, this changed my life. It really did. I was there to do my job. I fell into a UFO event, and it's changed every aspect of my life since then. So again, about the power of witness testimony, you talk a lot to witnesses, people who claim to have seen lights in the sky all the way to having,

encounter experiences, abduction experiences, things like that. And in your case, I know you've read, like, emails they've written or read about their stories ahead of time, but how different is it for you when you actually meet the person face to face and hear that story from their mouth? It's a hell of a lot different. I mean, I get emails on a daily basis of people saying they saw something or they experienced something, you know, the email is literally like 20 pages long. And I would love to answer every email back and be like, yeah, I'm going to look into your case,

but it's daunting. It can be very daunting when you get these sort of correspondence, because I don't know what the hell they saw. I can try to help them along the way. But for me, it did come down to when I decided as a quote-unquote UFO journalist that I was going to go out and meet these people having these experiences. and I remember the first person I met face to face. I was in Arizona and I was in a diner and I was with her and her husband and she was recalling to me for the very first time she told anyone about this other than her husband

an experience she had as a child with what she believes to have been some sort of non-human entity and it traumatized her. It really did. And I just remember sitting across from her and her husband, and she started crying, and she was holding her husband's hand, and she was, like, squeezing his hand so hard. She was leaving, like, permanent indents in his skin.

And I was just watching all these little things into scriptors as she was telling me this story. And that really impacted me. It was the first time I separated, like, reading something on my computer to meeting this person, in hearing their story and seeing how it affected her and seeing her husband there with her, supporting her through this and being like,

you got this, you got this. And the fact that I was the first person she ever told this to and she told me that she trusted me with her story, that's a big responsibility. Because if I'm going to go on the record with this story, whether it's in a book form or if she allowed me or gave me permission to talk about it

on a podcast and uses her name, there's no turning back from there. She has kids. She has family. She has a community. She lives in. Everyone is going to know about this now. So that really struck me too is it's not easy for people to come forward and talk about these things that you hear at AlienCon. It is easy for some people, but not for most people. And I don't think a lot of people really take into consideration what happens after you come out with that. Like you look at Travis Walton, the, um, fire in the sky alien abduction case or anyone who claims to have been abducted by aliens, maybe it's a cool story to tell, but after that, like, everyone's going to judge you after that. So you really have to think about, like, the conviction you have coming forward, why you're coming forward, and for a lot of people, it's just closure, just telling somebody. They don't want you to judge them.

I don't judge anyone I speak to. I think every story has some sort of value when it comes to R&R. investigations and it's not easy. It never gets easier. Right. And on Sunday, when we do our recording of the unknown podcast, we'll specifically be talking about that ridicule factor that you mentioned and just the stigma that still surrounds the UFO topic. And speaking specifically about witness testimony, now think about all the stories that we don't hear because of that ridicule factor of people not feeling comfortable to share those stories. Yeah, I mean, we know one of our heroes, the late Staten Friedman, a nuclear physicist who studied UFOs his entire career, he used to go on

the lecture circuit. He's lectured in every continent country you can think of every one of his lectures. He starts with how many people in the audience have seen a UFO and like 95% of the people would raise their hand? They saw something. And then he would ask how many people reported it and maybe two hands would go up. So that's 95% or somewhat people who aren't willing to come forward and report what they saw. Well, and I love using myself as an example too because like I think I've seen probably probably about 12 UFOs at this point and I'm in this field. This is what I do. How many of those 12 have I ever reported? So I mean, yeah. It just just shows you there's so many out there that aren't reported, aren't discussed at all.

Well, and another thing, too, is a lot of people ask us, you know, skeptics or people who just want answers will ask us, all these people are having UFO sightings or claim-duduction experiences or close encounters. Why is no one taking photos of this? Like, where's the evidence? Where's the evidence? And honestly, like, we don't have an answer for that. There should be more photos out there of these things happening. But at the end of the day, I don't know about you, but when I was 12 years old and I was staring up at whatever the hell that thing was in the sky that I saw, I wasn't thinking about going and getting a camera and taking photos. These things are very, very personal. And for me, I was alone on that dock and this was happening just for me. And I wanted

to experience that besides being scared shitless. I wanted to experience that myself. And you don't think about, like, oh, I need to document this to bring it to somebody to look at. Yeah. And I feel I have to go back to the Phoenix Lights because I did mention that I recorded it on video. But I then have to say that I think that was recorded over by one of my brother's soccer games. So, yeah, that video doesn't exist. But, you know, to your point about photo and video, there's certainly lots and lots and lots of photo and video. We know that.

And in fact, when we come to events like this, lots of people share their photos and videos with us. And we see, you know, hundreds of these photos and videos shared with us throughout the years, or throughout the year. But that really, I think, emphasizes the point of this episode, and that is the power of witness testimony, right? Because, again, it comes back to, yeah, a photo can be really fascinating. It can look cool. It can look, you know, very clear. It can look bizarre, whatever. but it's still a photo or video and they can be manipulated, they can be fake, they can be hoaxed,

doesn't mean that they are, they also can be just misidentifications, but really it's still just a photo or video. I think when it comes down to it, witness testimony, to me, is a lot more valuable than a photo or video. I think so, but we also have to play devil's advocate too, and remember that a lot of these events happen to people 20, 30 years ago. Exactly. Memory is not perfect. And I know for me, there are very specific things I remember about that night and things I don't remember at all. I don't know when you saw the Phoenix Lights. I mean, for you, was it as clear as day?

Could you say how high this thing was, how big it was? Absolutely not. Yeah. Absolutely not. I mean, it was a tremendous event in my life for sure. I remember. I remember how, you know, fascinated I was, how exciting it was, how just bewildered. I was what I was seeing, but I always try to preface it when I tell that story that we're talking

about something that happened in 1997. I'm not going to pretend that I know that I remember every little detail. I don't even clearly remember seeing seven lights. Just after telling the story so many times and thinking back that that's what I see in my mind, but could it have been more, could it have been less? Absolutely. I'm not going to state with certainty, you know, the details that happened. I'm going to say, I'm pretty sure this happened, or this is how I remember it, but I know how fallible memory is. So you have to keep that in mind with these cases

that you're talking about things that happened so long ago. I mean, I know we went and got a drink last night and had dinner. I don't remember what I got for dinner, so I don't remember either. That's a good point. I remember fine details for something that happened back in 1997. Yeah, it's fascinating. And I think

it really brings a human element to all this as well as perception. I spoke to a woman in Michigan who, who had a triangular UFO sighting over her house. And she went out to walk her dogs. Dogs would not go off the porch that night. They'd never done anything like that before. Clearly, she thought there was something out there.

So she walks down into the lawn. She's looking around. There's nothing. The dogs still won't leave the porch. And they start barking. And they're barking like up, like barking upwards. So she looks up and she sees this massive triangular thing over her house. and she's just staring up at it

and then she screams for her daughter to come out and look at this thing with her. Like, am I crazy? Are you seeing this? Her daughter comes out. They're both now staring up at this triangle. And the mom is telling her daughter like, oh my God, it's so silent.

It's beautiful. Like, do you feel that? I almost feel euphoric. And she looks over at her daughter and her daughter's covering her ears and be like, I can't hear you. It's so loud. and her daughter felt like immediate threat from whatever was up there.

So perception plays a key role too, I think. These mother and daughter, they were looking at the same exact thing, but having completely different experiences in that moment. And that really fascinated me. You mentioned dogs, and I've got to say, man, like witness testimony. One day when we can actually talk to dogs, I want to talk to dogs about UFOs because there are so many UFO sighting stories that involve dogs.

You know, people were alerted by their dogs about something in the sky, or they actually are the reason for a lot of sightings, too, because a lot of sightings reported are people when they're out walking their dogs. You know, that's when you're out looking at the sky. So I think dogs have a lot to say about you. Yes, if dogs can talk to dogs. I love dogs anyway, so. Well, I want to maybe talk to any of you guys out there.

We're sort of on the second half here, and we did want to open it up to anyone if you feel, comfortable sharing something with us up here, whether it's like a UFO sighting, please feel free to come up to the mic. Otherwise, we'll just, we'll keep talking. But yeah, yeah, you're in a safe place and no one's here to judge you. So, yeah, if you'd like, please feel free to come up. Yeah, you come up to the microphone, form a line if somebody's there, and we'll get to you. I want to mention that I brought up on Sunday how we're going to be doing a live recording of another UFO podcast called Unknown and focusing on the ridicule factor and how people

are uncomfortable sharing their stories. And during that recording, I'm going to, for the first time, play a recording that I have of a college professor at one of the largest public universities in the country who I happen to be doing an interview with on something totally not related to UFOs. and he happened to see my book, I wrote a book about UFOs, and that book was on my desk. He happened to notice it out of the corner of his eye, and he had to ask me about it.

He said, so I see that book, what is that? And I explained to him that, you know, this is something I've done for more than a decade and wrote a book on it, been on TV, talked about UFOs all the time. And when he had that little intro, he knew the gate was open, then he just chimed.

then, well, I've seen a UFO. Oh, that's great. And so he started telling me his story. And I had, because I had him set up for an interview, I was recording the whole time. And it was a fascinating, fascinating sighting that I can't wait for you to hear it, because you haven't heard this either. And it's a fascinating story from a college professor. And after, and when I remembered that I'd been recording this whole thing, and I wanted to use that on the podcast, I asked him, if it was okay if I used that in my podcast.

And he thought about it for a bit. And he said, yes, that'll be fine, but don't use my name. Don't say where I work. Because he didn't want people being able to figure out that it was him telling this story. And this is, he's actually retired now. So an emeritus professor at a major university, what does he care? You know, his career is essentially over. he's retired and, you know, certainly tenured faculty.

They're not worried all that much about their jobs. They can kind of do their own research, talk about whatever they want, and they have that protection. But still, to this day, and this is something that happened back in the 70s, I think, he still had never told anybody about it and didn't want his name revealed having shared this story. So, you know, the ridicule factor is strong, and people still feel that and fill the hesitation when sharing that story, and certainly publicly. It's not easy. you like how many second dates I lost in my time bringing up UFOs or that I studied this sort of thing.

But that's another amazing thing about AlienCon is because this is like a perfect environment for talking about these topics. Like nothing is weird or off limits here. Like you're among like fellow weirdos in the best way. Like this stuff is not weird. This is our lives and we love talking about it and sharing stories. And that's the best thing for me about this entire weekend is just how. having that ability to talk to people and listen to people because a lot of people, I know, who come to this event,

they've never talked about this subject before or they don't have anybody in their personal lives who they can talk about this stuff with. So this is just a fantastic weekend for that. I love it. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Hi. Hi. Do I introduce myself? If you want, you don't have to. I'm Jane. I've, I think. I think I might have mentioned a story to some people before, but it's kind of mysterious to me because it doesn't quite fit that mold of, I saw a thing in the sky, but I mean, it feels unidentified in the sky.

When I was much younger, I remember waking up in the middle of the night for no apparent reason. And I was, I think in my early teens, so I had no reason to. be waking up or insomnia or anything, but I woke up in the middle of the night and it was maybe 3 a.m. And I remember going to my window again, I don't have any reason why it was just

this kind of thing that I was doing almost on autopilot. But I remember going to my window and looking out and there was a road below and absolutely nothing was going on on it. It was totally quiet. And then

after looking out the window for a split second, the entire sky that I could see went red. And it was the kind of red that you would see if a car puts on the brake lights, that red is sort of glowing red, but it was the entire sky. And I remember looking out at it and going, huh, what's going on? I thought a car was pulling out, but it just, the whole sky was sort of stained that color. and it stayed that way for about I'm going to say 10 seconds

long enough that I was kind of processing every sort of thing it could be and then kind of just staring baffles and then without any sort of fanfare it just went back to normal and it's something I think about from time to time because there's no good ending to that story

it was just this weird phenomenon that happened and then it never happened again. Yeah. Strange. Yeah. Very strange. That's a really good point.

There's no end to the story. There never is. Sometimes is. Usually not. Yeah. Like these things happen. There's no explanation. And you search for answers to it for the rest of your life, usually.

Which is frustrating in some aspects. There's lots of frustration. Lots of head scratching. A lot of head scratching. Yeah. And like when people come to me to tell me their story, I try to tell them, I'm not going to solve this mystery for you, but I'm going to listen. I'm going to ask you some questions, and let's just talk about it, because we're not experts. We're, you know, we are UFO researchers,

but we're in no way UFO experts. We don't know what is going on out there. We try to bring theories forward. We try to bring testimony forward, but yeah, at the end of the day, like no one no one knows what's really going on. So whatever that was, whatever phenomena like happened that night, you might be asking yourself what it is for the rest of your life. Sorry, that's frustrating. Thank you for sharing Jane. Appreciate it. So another thing with witness testimony, the power of that and how that helps with UFO research and investigations is we have that testimony and that brings in the data that you mentioned, and looking at commonalities between sightings, different shapes and behaviors,

and knowing those commonly reported shapes and behaviors of these objects in the sky, really help investigators when they're talking to witnesses or investigating particular incidents because they have these sort of boxes they can go through and check and categorize these things to help us better keep track of those objects. And it's interesting, if you've been watching, unidentified on the history channel or reading really any mainstream media outlet the past year and a half.

One of the big stories right now is the Tic Tac UFO and I think because it's just such a silly thing to say Tick-Tac. So I think the media likes to use that. Even though most of the time they'll show the Gimble video instead of Tick-Tac.

Because the gimbal video is more exciting because you have the pilots go, whoa dude, what's that? Yeah, what the bleep is that? Yeah, that's fun, but it's usually the gimbal video with a Tick-Tac. But Tick-Tac, you know, that's a description of the shape of a UFO, and that's relatively new thanks to that video. But those long elongated UFOs, you know, have gone by many names over the

years, you know, for the longest time, we heard a lot about cigar-shaped UFOs, but we have, you know, rectangle UFOs and different things like that. So it's good to, you know, sort of come up with a standard, and that's, I think, a challenge that investigators have trying to determine if when somebody says a Tick-Tac is that the same thing as a cigar, you know? And certainly one makes your breath smell better than others, right? Yeah. But, you know, you've got these things trying to make investigation easier

and make that data more consistent, and it's challenging because those UFO descriptions have changed over the years when perhaps the UFOs might not have, you know, necessarily. As a UFO journalist, I always loved especially reading accounts from the UK and hearing some of the things they would describe their UFOs as. They had, remember the Dudley Dorito? Yeah, this triangle-shaped UFO that is regularly seen over there. They called it a Dorito. It's shaped like a Dorito.

We're also hamburger-shaped UFOs. That was one of my favorites. But there have been some interesting descriptions for UFO shapes over there. over the years. And we get that from witness testimony. Yeah. Yeah. It's no longer just saucers.

Like, people are seeing just the weirdest things out there. How's it going? Hello, thank you. My name is Juan. Hey, Juan. I think it was about three, four years ago. Well, let me just preface it. Yeah.

You know, I was always interested in aliens as a kid. I think I was just regular, fascinated. Like, same thing with sci-fi. You know, regular, the pop culture stuff. It was about three, four summers ago. It was the weekend right before Fourth of July, so I guess you could look up on the calendar, whichever day Fourth of July lands on Monday.

It was that summer. I live in Los Angeles just outside of just right in East L.A. It was a Saturday afternoon, so I had to run some errands. It was midday. It was around noon. So I remember when I jumped in my car because I saw something on the freeway, It was around 12, 15. So right in the middle of the day, it was really sunny.

My mind wasn't on seeing anything in the sky. My mind wasn't on anything out of the ordinary. I was just in a rush to do my errands and to come back home. So I jump on the freeway, and I'm not sure if anybody around here is familiar, but I live in El Serino, so I took the 10 East. So I'm traveling past a Hamburg going toward like San Diego. in that area. So once I jumped on the freeway,

there was some traffic, which I usually anticipated. I drive a sports car, so I'm kind of like my routine was I'm going to get on a fast lane, outrun everybody again. I'm trying to come home quick. So I do that. I travel maybe about a quarter of a mile before I notice, because there's a straightaway at that point

on the 10 freeway, but there's a bright light kind of like shining toward me. So, you know, I didn't think of anything again. I'm looking at the traffic. I'm trying to get where I'm going, and I realize as I'm approaching the light, I'm kind of driving toward it. So that was weird.

So I'm thinking, well, you know, there's a train on the side. Maybe it's a train coming or I don't know what. So again, I'm kind of driving a little quickly. So I'm approaching the light, and I realize that the light's not traveling away. It's actually stationary, and I'm approaching it. So as I got closer, that's when it started to get really, really confusing, because all the cars around me had seemed,

I think they had to see it as well because I found myself that I was the only one that was, I think everybody started to break. And at this point, when I was approaching, I let my foot off the gas, so I was letting the car momentum. So I must have been going maybe about 40 miles an hour. So when I was approaching what I saw,

I was alone. Everybody else was about maybe about at least 100 feet behind me, maybe more, because I think they were also alarmed also. So in essence, what I'm saying is that I saw a light on the freeway in broad daylight during the summertime, and as I approached it, I saw a light at least a mile away. So it was a bright, almost LED, white color. So as I approached it, I started to see a shape of what was giving off this light. And it was kind of scary at first because I didn't know what it was. I wasn't expecting anything.

I was like, well, is this a helicopter? Is it a train? Is it a car? They got turned around. You know, my mind's going a little quickly. I'm like, what could this be? Do I have to be? Do I have to, you know, swerve out of the way. No, it was just there. So as I approached, what I could describe was it was spherical, so it was circular. It was the size of like, let's say,

an NBA regulation basketball, so it wasn't that big. It was silver in color. There were no dense. I didn't see any rivets. I didn't see any... So it looked smooth, like the ball bearing. Except as I was approaching it, the face of this ball bearing

and it was flat, and that's what was emitting this light. Now, just given what I was professionally doing at the time, I had some experience with light bulbs, 100 watt light bulbs, things of that nature. So that also kind of caught my attention, because I've been around light, large wattage bulbs, and whether you have protective goggles or not, you could see the outline of a bulb or a shape,

and or it may, you know, kind of have you wince. That also surprised me as I approached. I didn't wince away, so a light that I could see a mile away in broad daylight as I got closer, I didn't have to look away. It didn't hurt me. So again, I tried to get as many details as I could as the momentum of the car was passing. I'm looking at this thing so I could see the size, how smooth it was. Another thing that really, well, two things that really also, as I was approaching,

I'm like, this isn't normal, how low it was on the freeway. You know, I drive a Dodge Challenger, so it's kind of like a low car. this object was floating in the freeway so low that if it was like an 18-wheeler 18-wheeler it would have hit the windshield so again I was like well that's if this is a drone that's really on the freeway really low

and also the movement it kind of moved like a birthday balloon that's tethered to a chair and if somebody walks by so basically it was kind of just like it was like moving like this very slowly and you know if their cars were going it seemed unaffected

So as I drove underneath it I have like a sunroof so I hit the light I hit the sunroof so I could look underneath to see if I could see fans or vapor or anything and there was nothing So it was really strange so as soon as I saw that I immediately thought like this is really You know something I've never really seen before

I really wasn't sure if it's something I should pull over And investigate and things like that So when it occurred my immediate reaction was I've never seen anything like this The size and how it moves and all of that, I was like, if it was somebody's possession, like their drone, I would describe it that it looked really, really expensive. And it looked really, really brand new. Because, again, it was smooth. It wasn't dented. It wasn't discolored. It was, it looked perfect looking.

So afterward, when I drove by it, I was like, should I pull over? Should I not? So I continued on the 10 freeway. I finished my errands, which took about 30 minutes. And I remember when I got to the store to do my errands, that's when it really started to sink in. Like, this is really strange. So then I was like, well, should I tell the person that works there, you know, whatever. I don't want to seem like a crazy person. But, yeah, it was really strange. So after that, I think for about a week, maybe about a week, I googled to see if anybody else mentioned drones on the 10th freeway in Alhambra or Monterey Park or whatever and nothing. And still, like, you know, casually when I watch TV, whenever they mentioned drones and I see like spherical. And I see like

spherical ones, they're made of PVC or really, really thin plastic. It's just that it seemed really weird that it moved like a balloon, but it looked like if you were to hold it looked heavy. It would be heavy because it looks metallic and metal. Yeah. But, yeah. And because of how low it was, you would have probably noticed if it was tethered, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, I drove under, I drove right underneath it. Again, I wanted to see if there was a vapor trail. I wanted to see if there was exhaust fan. I just wanted to see what was actually, you know, propping it up, whatever and it was nothing. And also when I drove

past it, my foot wasn't on the gas. I looked in my rearview mirror just to see what the reflection was and it kind of like blended in. I really couldn't see it afterward in my review mirror once it passed which again I was like am I crazy? Did I just see that? Or whatever. Yeah.

Dude, you're like the perfect witness first of all. You checked everything off the boxes as it was happening, which a lot of people can't do. Yeah, which was weird too. I mean, what freaked me out at the time. Again, it wasn't that I was beyond thinking that the possibility of aliens wasn't possible. It's not it.

It's just that it freaked me out because it was so close to where I live and I live in the city. So I'm like, every time I watch these things, it's maybe rural parts of, you know, wherever or by the beach or something. But not close to east. Not off the freeway where I drive all the time and not in broad daylight. Yeah. And how low it was. Right. Wow.

That's fantastic. Yeah. Thank you very much for sharing that. Thank you. Hi. Hello, my name is Annette. And it's a pleasure to meet you. Me too.

This happened over 30 years ago. And I was summertime, close to dust. No sun, you know, it wasn't bright or anything. And we were leaving my home. And as I was getting into the car, I put my one leg into the car like this, and I just looked over my shoulder, and over the freeway, because we lived close to the freeway, there was seven objects, crafts. They weren't objects. There were seven crafts.

One in the front, two behind, two behind, two behind, two behind. And I just stood there and looked at it. And then, do you see this? and yeah and we didn't say anything we just looked and I got into the car and we started driving

and the crafts started and we just drove slowly along and they drove slowly along and then they took off they managed and we didn't talk about it yeah

that's We didn't ever talk about it. Yeah, that's very common. I know a lot of people who were in the same car with someone saw something, and they witnessed it, and then it was never spoken of again. It wasn't just a quick flash like this, you know, just, oh, no, this happened, and I know what I saw. Yeah. And so, but, and I've talked about it, you know, some time over the years later,

but at that particular time, we didn't talk. Yeah. Do you remember what the objects look like at all, if I could ask? Dark. Okay. Dark. Deep dark. Okay.

You know how the stealth aircraft. Not like that. Okay. Because I don't even know if that technology. And seven of them. Seven in a V formation? Thank you. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. No. And, you know, they have the stealth bombers. But I don't know how many they have, but no. And he's just set there. It was similar, a little shape like that. Wow.

Something like that. Thank you. Thank you very much for sharing that. Thank you. All right. I think that's going to be it for us, guys. This is not your last chance to share your stories. Tomorrow, actually, Jason and I are going to be doing an experiencer session

where you can come and talk amongst a group of, supportive people to tell your stories. No matter what it is, what happened to you, it doesn't have to be just UFOs. If you've had a strange paranormal experience, anything we want to hear about it. And obviously we love hearing those stories on our podcast, but that will be your time to share the stories

and they won't be shared. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So if you don't come to that, you can find us here all weekend, reach out to us. Again, the more people that tell stories, the more we normalize this topic and bring it to the mainstream to be like, stuff's going on, we got to talk about this. So I want to thank you for coming to this today for those who share their stories

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