Somewhere in the Skies - Yoshua Shelton: Fallen Craft, Missing Time, and the Shadows of Area 2

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

A decorated U.S. Air Force nuclear security specialist breaks his silence. Yoshua Shelton takes us deep inside his chilling experiences while stationed at Nellis Air Force Base’s Area 2, one of the most heavily guarded nuclear storage sites in America. What began as routine patrols soon turned into encounters beyond comprehension. Glowing orbs over the desert, a possible UAP crash, shadow entities around nuclear bunkers, and an incident that led to missing time and trauma that haunts him to this day. Was Area 2 hiding more than just nuclear weapons? ⏱️ CHAPTERS 00:00 – Introduction 02:15 – Yoshua Shelton’s Military Background 06:10 – The Glowing Orb at the Fence Line 14:45 – The Story of the Underground Lab 21:30 – Shadow Entities on the Bluffs 29:10 – The Base on Edge: Strange Lights and Sensors 37:50 – The Fallen Craft Over Nellis 46:25 – The Three Lights and Missing Time 1:03:15 – Emotional Aftermath & The Communion Connection 1:15:20 – Reporting the Encounters 1:24:00 – Reflections on Reality, Consciousness, and Disclosure 1:32:10 – Closing Thoughts: The Human Behind the Whistleblower Follow Yoshua on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/yoshs/ Please take a moment to rate and review us on Spotify and Apple. Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Email: [e-mail] All Socials and Books: https://linktr.ee/somewhereskiespod Email: [e-mail] SpectreVision Radio: https://www.spectrevision.com/podcasts Opening Theme Song by Septembryo Copyright © 2025 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #NellisBase #Area2 #UAPEncounter #WhistleblowerStory #MilitaryWitness #ParanormalFiles #RyanSprague #SomewhereInTheSkies #MissingTime #Unexplained Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Spectrevision Radio. Welcome to Somewhere in the Skies. I am your host, Ryan Sprague, and today we have a very interesting guest for you guys. You may have seen him on reality check with Ross Colthart coming forward for the very first time about anomalous activity that happened over a highly sensitive military installation. We will be speaking with Joshua Shelton. Joshua is a former U.S. Air Force nuclear security specialist who served at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, one of the most heavily guarded and secretive military installations in the United

States. During his tenure, he was assigned to Area 2, a high security sector responsible for the storage and protection of nuclear weapons. His duties placed him in direct proximity to restricted facilities and sensitive operations, giving him a rare firsthand perspective on base security, classified protocols, and even anomalous events. So today we will be talking to Joshua all about that anomalous activity that happened over the base, everything from UAP sightings to a possible UAP crash in the desert all the way up to the base possibly being infiltrated by shadow entities. Yeah, you heard that right. This gets pretty deep, pretty profound, pretty emotional. As you will see, these events have

dramatically affected Yahshua in many ways. So we will break down each event for you guys tonight and really get to the heart of these mysteries and how they affect someone coming out on the other side of this, who is still struggling to find answers to what happened there and empowering more military witnesses to come forward in the future with UAP activity and highly anomalous things happening over our most sensitive military installations. So I hope you enjoy this interview and I hope you'll take just a few minutes to rate and review somewhere in the skies on Apple Podcasts and on Spotify. your ratings and reviews go a very long way

and truly help us get discovered and find new listeners. So head on over to Apple and Spotify, do that for me. If you're watching this on YouTube, hit that like, hit that subscribe, leave a comment below, hit notifications, all that YouTube stuff. I cannot thank you guys enough. I really hope you enjoy this interview with the Joshua Shelton. And remember, keep your feet on the ground, but never stop searching somewhere in the skies.

While our government's official position is not to speculate on this subject, we can choose to let our minds explore other possibilities to use our imaginations. For if we consider that astro-scientists agree on one point that the possibility of life elsewhere is not only quite probable, some feel that is there without a doubt. Let us suppose then that these objects are real space vehicles, extraterrestrial origin, and not an illusion of the mind. I'm Ryan Spratt, and you are now somewhere in the skies. Yes, Joshua, thank you so much for joining me today on Somewhere in the Skies. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. Of course, man. Now, for a lot of our audience, myself included, we first saw you come forward in an interview on reality check with Ross Colthard over on News Nation.

And this is an age, man, where we're, us in the UFO field, we are just having the time of our lives with all of these military whistleblowers coming forward and witnesses and congressional UFO hearings. And it's great. Like it's so cool to boost the credibility of a topic that has been ridiculed and stigmatized for so long that I've been studying for more than half my life. But what I think gets lost a lot of the times when military witnesses come forward is the person, you, how these things have affected. you and what you think they may be. And you do have many stories that we're going to talk about tonight that have happened to you in your military service. But my first question for you is,

for any witness, actually, when it comes to UFOs, is the why. Why do you think it was important for you to come forward with these very different phenomenological things that have happened? happened to you. Yeah, maybe start with that if you don't mind. Sure. I'm glad because I said this at the end of the Ross Goldthard interview and I kind of wanted something up front because I feel like it's really important to say. I told Ross when we were talking before we recorded that I kind of wanted people to know the reason why I came forward is not because I'm interested in disclosure. I'm honestly not. The government has made its bed. It's refusing to disclose. It's fighting, you know, tooth and nail. I'd like to think that there's a good reason for that. Maybe I'm an optimist.

I don't know. But to me, disclosure is irrelevant. The reason why I came forward, why I've been very vocal in my own private life about this, as my friends know. We have, you know, like I said on the cold third interview, we've got kids in their bedroom seeing things that terrify. them. We've got people running into things outside of their established paradigm, and they don't really have anyone to turn to to process these experiences, to share these experiences. And on top of that, like, we have a crisis of bias within our academia to where it's not that the data isn't good. It's that we don't like how the data makes us feel, or we don't like the implication, so we reject it outright. And I think that's really holding us back from kind of understanding the UAP phenomenon.

And who knows what else we're kind of blind to discovering because of this inherent, deeply entrenched bias against anything that's not naturalistic or reproducible. So that's kind of why it came forward. I really want to change the conversation. Like I'm not a scientist. You know, I'm not a researcher. I can't figure out what UAP is. I can't gather, you know, data on it. That's somebody else's job.

But I can hopefully change the conversation and make people that have had experiences feel safe in sharing those experiences and maybe reshape this ridicule culture so that other people who are qualified to study the phenomenon feel comfortable talking about it without being ridiculed. That's what's important to me. People are important to me. I love that, man. I mean, you're speaking my language. I've written two books here that are just people's UFO accounts.

reason I do that is to show that there is a human behind every UFO event. Without them, we would not have any data to report or to study. So I think that is immensely important, especially the aftermath of an event, you know. We were talking off air. We're both artists, and these things can often affect your creativity. I know people who were not artistic in any way, shape or form and after a UFO event in their life, uh, start painting geometric, you know, portraits of things and, and, and, and picking up a guitar and playing songs and they've never played the guitar.

Like, it's crazy, man. Um, I'm getting ahead of myself, though. I love that. I love that. You're, you're, I think what you're doing is very important. It empowers more people to come forward inside or outside of the military. But, um, let's, let's rewind a little bit. can you sort of just paint the picture for us of who you are and kind of what led you to join the Air Force and we'll get more into the specifics area too.

But yeah, when was that decision that you wanted to go into the Air Force and whatnot? Give us that origin story, if you don't mind. Yeah, no worries. So my family is military, always been military. and the Air Force was kind of an accident. I originally went to Army Recruiter, and I scored a 96 on the Asab, I think, and I think it's out of 100. If I remember right, I can't remember. And the Army Recruiter was like, well, you can have any job you want, basically.

So connected me with a counterintelligence guy, and he was telling me about what he does, and I loved it. It was a $40,000 sign-on bonus and all this. And then I was on that track, but then my mom at one point, was like, well, you know, the Air Force is, you know, they treat their people better. They have better facilities. So why don't you go talk to the Air Force recruiter? I was like, oh, yeah, okay. So I go and they show me this high speed video of people like jumping out of helicopters

and riding ATVs to the woods. I was like, oh, man, you know, idiot 18-year-old me is like, oh, I want to do that. So I gave up a four-year, $40,000 contract for a six-year, $3,000 contract to work with nuclear weapons, basically. Wow. Not the best move. Quite a sacrifice there. Yeah, yeah. Well, hey, hey, we all sort of make these decisions.

And they ultimately lead to where we are today. You and I having this conversation would be one of them, which is crazy. It's crazy. Well, what kind of led you to Nellis to Area 2? Like, how did that come about? You know, you talked on the Ross Colthart interview about the personnel reliability program, which I love if you could break that down a little bit for us. But what was it like getting sent to one of the most highly sensitive areas?

It's a huge mythological mecca for us in the UFO world for obvious reasons. But yeah, tell us a little about area too, what you can talk about if you don't like. It's funny because like, I mean, obviously like anyone I knew about the UFO phenomenon a bit, but it wasn't, you know, central in my life or anything. So I actually didn't know how important Nellis was to the whole field. I didn't know that it was like a hot spot for UFO activity or anything like that. I did. I got my orders in tech school.

My orders were delayed a little bit, I guess, because of the PRP clearances. And basically PRP is like, it's meant to ensure that like the highest quality, most reliable people are working with nuclear weapons and nuclear components, command and control. system, stuff like that. It's really, like, if you have a cold, you have to report it to your flight sergeant. I remember I had a kidney stone one time, and I was away from the base. I had to take an ambulance, and I told him, I was like, you can't take me to civilian hospital, you have to take me on base. So they took me on base, and when they brought me in, I remember seeing, I think it was

someone from OSI who like came and was grilling the ambulance drivers and like what did he say when you gave him painkillers did he say anything about where he works or anything like that I always felt sorry for him but that's kind of like PRP is supposed to be like you know if you remember if you got hypnotized like we couldn't go to certain shows on the strip in Las Vegas strip because they would hypnotize audience members so like you couldn't be hypnotized which I guess speaks to like the credibility that hypnosis is pretty important I don't know real yeah Yeah. Possibly, possibly.

At least the military thought it. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because I didn't know. I mean, I had no idea. Nellis was this, you know. When I did get to, so when I got to Nellis before I got assigned to the area or where I was waiting to get to the area,

you're kind of just hanging out with like the main base troops who work on main base. They work law enforcement and like flight line security stuff. And I heard like a few things. about the area, but like, nothing major or anything. And then that first night was kind of like, oh, okay. Yeah, this place is weird. Okay. Interesting.

Now, okay. And we'll get to the first experience. So what was your actual position there? Like how many people were under your, I guess, command or who did you kind of take orders from? I guess kind of paint the picture of what a day would look like in your boots while you were in service there. So when I first got there, I was just a regular patrolman. You have to certify for each position, and it's the first position you certify for as a patrolman. And technically, you don't have to certify for anything else.

But it's kind of frowned upon. Like you want to advance your career. You want to advance your qualifications. And your supervisor wants to look good. So he makes you do stuff so he looks good. So I was initially a patrolman and then after I think maybe two years or so, I got my entry control certification, which was basically like manning the entry control point. You're responsible for letting people in now. It's a pretty high responsibility job.

Like, you know, you literally dictate who's in and who's out. And then shortly after that, I can't remember how long after that. I got my certification for a central security controller, which basically you're overseeing operations for the entire area. You're running the radio net during incidents. You're running their response to incidents. You're kind of quarterbacking from the flights chief who's like technically the on-sync commander or the actual on-sync commander, the flight chief's not.

on scene. I would say I've done a lot of like high stress stuff in my life and being a central security controller doing either like we had NSI inspections nuclear surety inspections where the DOD would send an inspector general team to test the facility and make sure it's still certified to hold nukes or doing like real world security events. A central security controller was like the most stressful job I have ever had. People couldn't do it. Like people broke down. They could not do it. But yeah, those were the certifications I got. And I also, I was a fire team leader. I was a flight trainer for CQB, close quarters battle.

It wasn't, that was because of my expertise and because of my talent, I guess, in teaching and training. I got those positions. I helped come up with sort of like how we would respond to incidents, like on the ground and stuff. I guess I kind of did it all. You know, the only position, I guess, that I didn't get was the alarm operator to where there was two alarm operators, one that oversaw the perimeter and then one that would have saw the interior alarms for like the actual structures and stuff. That was pretty sure that was the only position I didn't do. Yeah. Wow. Utility, man. I love it.

A little bit of everything. That's crazy, man. I can't even imagine how stressful just the day to day would be. Well, to kind of touch on that, we're talking about guarding. nuclear weapons, like the most dangerous thing in the existence of creation. What was it like at first? Like I know you kind of talked about this with Ross and like I know, you know, as time goes on, kind of it can change a little bit.

But what was it like knowing that what you are guarding essentially could, I hate to say it, but could destroy the world? Yeah. It was pretty overwhelming at first. Like, it was a, I remember the first time that I saw a live nuke, I was like, oh man, like, that's, that's a moment in your life. You don't forget when you see that thing. And it's so much smaller than I thought it would be. But like, yeah, it's pretty overwhelming at first. But then, I don't know, the human brain has this weird ability to, like, normalize anything. So, like, after a while, you're like, eh, you know, it's.

It's just nukes. They're not going off. And it's our job to make sure they don't go off. So it gets boring after a while. I mean, we're out there for 12 hours. A good day is when it's a boring day. You know, you don't want an exciting day. That's a very bad day.

So most of the time it's just boring, to be honest with you. I can imagine, you know, just a lot of, you know, almost waiting for something to happen, but not wanting something to happen. It's the curse of, I guess, kind of that job. Okay. So let's get to, I guess, what you would consider maybe your first sort of strange or anomalous experience. I mean, we're not talking two weeks in, a month and a year into your position, right? We're talking like straight out the game.

Hours. Okay. Wow, man. If you don't mind, could you share that with this? Yeah. So when you first get on flight, you're not certified to be on patrol. You have to wait for your security clearance or your PRP clearance to kind of finish. And then you're allowed on patrol as an alpha. And during that time, you're studying and training to get your certification to be an actual patrol leader.

So we were, me, I think it was two other, yeah, it was two other new troops. we were in kind of the break room inside the building that houses the central central security control and one of the flight sergeants came in it was like hey i'm going to take you on a tour of the area so you kind of see the place um you know this is where you'll be working so we hopped in the humvee we took off and we went um we went to this place that had like a bit of high ground to where you could oversee a lot of the area and as we got there or before we got there um the um the um I think it was BIS one was the perimeter alarm operator. But the perimeter alarm operator called her the radio and called in an alarm activation in,

it was Whiskey 8th area, which is a patrol, a perimeter patrol. And the alarm was on the fence line. And the flight sergeant, it was a junior flight sergeant that was driving us around. He was like, oh, this is great. Where we're going, you'll be able to see them respond to the alarm. so you'll have an idea of how you do like a fence line walk through and stuff. So we pull up maybe like 30 seconds after the alarm's been called. And as soon as we got out of the Humvee, I remember the flight sergeant was like,

what the shit is that? That was like the first thing he said. And, you know, because I had no idea where the alarm would be. I didn't know, you know, the marker sensor zones, they're numbered. I have no idea where it was at. but I just followed his eye line. And right there on the fence line, it's a triple fence

in the innermost fence line right above, there's a sensor that runs along the top of the fence. Right above that was this like oversized beach ball-sized, glowing object. It was, I say object because I got the impression that it was a,

physical object, it wasn't like a orb of light. It was about the size of an oversight speech ball and it was just right over the fence line. Obviously, I couldn't measure size very well from where I was at because of the distance. I was about 250, 300 meters away. But from knowing the fence line as very intimately as I got to know it over the next six years, I can say that the object was about four to five feet maybe in diameter. And what was strange about it was that it was glowing white, but it wasn't casting light around it the way that you would expect it to.

The fence line was lit up. It's completely lit up. But it's like how bright the object was. It just seems like it should have been illuminating a lot of the desert around it. and it wasn't. So we watched it and then we saw Whiskey 8's truck pulling up

and they spotted the object, called it in over the radio, and they were still kind of rolled, they had slowed down significantly, and they were still rolling up. And when they crossed some invisible line, the object started moving. And it moved at a speed that perfectly

matched the truck. I think if I remember right, they were maybe like 30, 40 meters away from the object. And as the truck moved, even when they sped up to try to catch it, the object maintained that exact same distance. Like it was eerie the way that it perfectly matched the truck. And it stayed on that interior fence line, like right above it the entire time, almost like it was riding it on rails. it turned into a high-speed chase with Whiskey 8 chasing it and then the mobile fire team joined in

and then another patrol joined in. So it was three patrols chasing this thing. And it got to a spot along the fence line where the fence line curved to the right. And instead of following the fence like it had, it shot off to the left and it went out into the desert. And what was strange about that again was that it was a looom. The ground a bit, but as bright as it was, it just didn't make sense.

It should have been illuminating so much more because it was really bright. And then, yeah, we watched it because we had high ground. So we could watch it go out into the desert and then it just kind of faded into the darkness. You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save? Enough. Enough to get lost.

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been there too long himself either i think maybe he'd been there like six or eight months He was definitely surprised. I didn't really know the rest of flight well enough to kind of get into a conversation about her or anything. And by the time that I kind of like integrated it into flight, like enough time had passed that we kind of just didn't. I don't know. For some reason, we didn't really talk about it. We didn't really bring it up. But I got the sense overall, even through other stuff that happened, that it was just sort of like,

Okay, well, that was weird, but, you know, it didn't damage the fence. It didn't penetrate one of the bunkers. Like a lot, a lot of the response to everything that happened was did it affect security operations? If not, then we have to go on with our day. Interesting. Oh, yeah. I mean, and these things will escalate as we'll get to for sure. Wow, that's fascinating.

The self-containment of light or, you know, it really captures my attention there, that it was self-illuminating and not really casting light, like a condensed energy. Like, do you have any, I guess, theories on what that could be? Or are you still kind of racking your brain on that one? I mean, whatever it is, it's not following normal physics. Yeah. One of the things I thought about, especially after the, the instance, incident with the three lights, I'm sure we'll talk about later.

I was wondering, like, okay, is this really a physical object or is this an image being projected? Like, could it be that, especially with like the three light incident, could it be that maybe we didn't see the lights because we were on the same plane as a one-dimensional image being projected that everybody behind us could see? and if this was like the same thing with this ball of light if it was you know a projection it would make sense why it's not illuminating but i don't know honestly i don't know i don't feel that's a good explanation but whatever it is it wasn't obeying normal physics that's for sure and even ross brought up like, you know, I've talked with other military witnesses and there seems to be an element of like manipulation of your perception. And I think that's definitely true. Like whatever it is. Yeah. Sorry to interrupt. I mean, I've heard from so many witnesses, military and civilian,

of this perception being altered. I mean, I always go back to a case. I've brought it up a million times on my show here. But a mother and daughter in Michigan, we're looking at the same black triangle UFO over their home. However, the mother saw it as this burning white triangle and it was silent and she felt euphoric looking at the thing. And, you know, she turns to her daughter and she's like, my God, it's brilliant. It's burning white. It's silent.

This is amazing. What do you think? And the daughter's on the ground holding her like hands on her ears saying how unbearably loud this black triangle. is. So what is going on, man, with like these perceptions of different things? It's fascinating. It's fascinating. You mentioned the three lights. Now, was that the next experience or should we maybe go in chronological order? What do you think? No, I guess it would be sort of chronological. That was towards the end of my enlistment. Okay. Got it. So, okay. So that happened, you know,

your first, welcome. Welcome to the base. That is crazy, man. What was the next experience, if you don't mind sharing? So there were kind of, I mean, minor things, I guess. Like I think I told Ross like this, it wasn't infrequent that things would happen. It was maybe once a month, like something would happen. But we, so we all had night vision. And with the night vision, you could just lay on top of the Humvee and look up at the night sky. And you would see objects that were clearly not satellites because they would maneuver.

I never saw anything like, I guess what's described as the, what is it, the three observables or something like that? I think they're up to six now, but your guess is as good as mine, man. Yeah, I think there's like five officially, according to the Pentagon program. But yeah, yeah, you know, all of them, transmedium, you know, anti-gravity, you name it. They're all part of the observables. I'd have to go back and study them. I never saw like, you know, instant acceleration, but definitely you would see stuff that would make these turns. That's like, oh, satellite can't do that.

And pretty confident aircraft can't do that with, like, tearing its wings off. But again, it was super high up in the sky and it's not interfering with security operations. We would also see with the thermals, we had thermal images and then at one point we got a, I think it was called a wistie. It was a very powerful thermal camera that was mounted on a mount, like this really tall pole. And you could see, you could move it and see 360 around. The resolution was incredible. And once we got that, we've really started seeing stuff. There was a mountain that we were next to.

We used to call it Sunrise Mountain. I'm not sure what the actual official name was. But at the top of the mountain, you would constantly catch on the thermal camera. Like something in the sky right at the top of the mound that would be moving around. And it was like a heat signature. But then when you look at it with your barrel, eyes, there was nothing up there. When you look at your night vision, there was nothing up there. But you would frequently see, like, something large that was given off heat that was moving above that.

I got the, I just, I got the feeling that, like, there's stuff going on that we can't see, you know, like, there's things happening that we're not aware of. But going back to like chronologically, one thing I didn't tell Ross about, this was maybe a year in. I was dating a girl that was going to University of Las Vegas, Nevada. And at the end of the semester, I guess they had like teachers from other electives come in and sort of pitch their class. and this historian comes in and he talks a little bit about Nellis and he asks like, oh, is anybody here from Nellis? Because we, you know, some of us would take classes and go down, take classes there. Nobody raised her hand.

And he's like, oh, does anybody have family that is at Nellis or anything? And then my girlfriend raised her hand. She's like, oh, my boyfriend works up there. And he's like, oh, what's he do? What does he work? And she's like, oh, he works. I'm not sure. it's area something that he works at.

And she told me that, like, he got really angry, like, really serious and really angry. And he goes, like, is it area two? And she's like, yeah, I think that's it. He doesn't really talk about it much and stuff. And, like, his demeanor completely changed. Like, I remember when she was telling me, like, she was a little shaking about it. But then he's like, oh, did he tell you about what they have on their ground? there and like he starts to describe so I guess this guy grew up in Vegas and when he was a kid

Vegas was like a road with like some you know a few buildings and stuff it was a built-up at all and they would have everyone from Nellis come into town hit the bars and stuff and um according to him there was uh when he was I think if I remember right he said that he was like a teenager when it happened. But something happened up at Nellis. They had troops and five tons trucks come in and go up to Nellis. And nobody from Nellis was allowed to come into town. So all the business owners were complaining about it because they relied on, you know,

the soldiers and airmen and stuff. But he said that the base was closed down for a few days and that rumors were circulating that, like there have been some accident in an underground, lab somewhere in Nellas. And then shortly after that, ranchers in the local area were complaining that their livestock was being killed off by something. Like they were seeing something strange that was killing off their livestock. So after a bit, the base reopens.

And then according to him, the rumors leaked out. There was an accident in some underground lab and some things got loose. And they went out and they like, they were attacking wildlife or livestock and stuff. And yeah, he was apparently like really serious and a little angry at her because I worked at the area. But when she told me exactly what he said, I was a little bit because he was describing some things inside of the area that I was like, wait, how could he know about that? Like how could he know about this structure? How could he know about this thing?

And he did, so he said that apparently in response to this accident, they had sealed off the underground lap and they had filled in an elevator shaft with concrete to seal it off and whatever other entrance and stuff. And when she told me that he said that, I was a little taken aback because there, there is a building. I'm assuming it's still standing. But when I was there, there was a building right next to where we house their central security control. And this building was right across from the entry control point. So you, you know, once upon a time, you would walk in and you could walk right into this building. And we used it for storage because the inside was completely empty. It was you would walk in and there was a hallway leading to this big room.

And then on either side were like what must have been offices. But that was all cleared out. And then the big room was empty of stuff. So we would use it for storage. We restore our water, like for the big water cooler, we put stuff in there. And in the center of that large room that the short hallway led to, it was a concrete floor and then there was a big giant square

right in the middle of the room where the concrete was a different color. So when she told me about them filling in this elevator shaft and some other details that he had said that I knew, for a fact, like things that were, did exist in the area. It really got me thinking. So I don't know. I know that there were underground parts there that we did not have access to. But I can't verify this guy's story or not.

But he seemed very convinced of it. And again, he had details that unless he knew someone that worked security there and that told them these details, I don't see how you could. possibly know about these small things that you mentioned that we had in the area. That's, there's no coincidences, man. In this line of work, there are no coincidence. That's crazy. That's crazy.

Wow, okay, okay. That's an exclusive guy's on somewhere in the skies. You did not hear that with Rothschildart. So thank you, Yatua. Appreciate that, man. So what was the next, I guess, big experience that really. stuck with you that happened. And how far apart was it from your first experience? I think it was right around the time when this happened with my, my girlfriend at UNLV.

I was on an exterior patrol. So we had most of our patrols were on the interior and then we had three that were on the exterior to respond to, you know, people getting too close, things like that. And I was on the exterior patrol and we were on top of this area that we called the Bluffs. and they overlooked the area and kind of like everything around it. So it was a good place to kind of look, you know, keep an eye out and stuff. And it was the two of the exterior patrols were rendezvoused together, and we were just chit-shadding, you know, just wasting time. And there was this, I looked out to the desert,

and I saw this figure kind of down the bluffs from us. And it was just a shadowy figure. Like he couldn't tell any details because it was kind of far away. So I can't say that it was like a shadow figure. It could have been a person, but they were so far that like, you know, you could see anything. And I saw it and I pointed it out to the other three patrol patrol men. And I guess once like it realized that we had spotted it, it must have known that we had spotted it, but it seemed to turn and start running. And so we start running after it because whatever, you know, whoever this is, they are really close to the fence line.

So they, this isn't an accident. They know. They know what's here. And they know exactly what they're doing if they're getting that close. And we had a constant concern of like foreign intelligence or foreign special forces, like doing, you know, recontentary in the area, things like that. So there was a real concern about people getting close for bad intentions. So we chased this figure down along the bluffs. And what was impressive about it was that the top of the bluffs had a bunch of like rocks, like decent size rocks.

And I mean, if you were to run at a full sprint, you'd probably snap your ankle. Like we couldn't run at a full sprint. But this figure was just booking it. Like just running without care. Like it seemed to not care about. like the state of the ground. It had no concern for its safety. It ran.

It kind of left us behind a little bit, but we got to a part where the bluffs ended, and then there was a big open area directly on the other side of the bluffs. So we got to the edge of the bluffs, and then we pulled out like our night vision and stuff because the big open area, there's nowhere to hide. So we know that anyone that we've chased this far,

they should be, you know, we should be able to see them. like he you know we weren't that far behind him um but we looked and nothing like we couldn't see couldn't see anyone couldn't see a trace so we didn't have the handheld thermals on the exterior patrols um they probably didn't trust us with them i'll take because we break them but um yeah we couldn't see anything um so we called main base and they sent their canine patrol and we we stayed put to make sure that like hey if this person you know is ducking behind a rocker you know you a crevice that we can't quite see.

He's not going to get up and leave, you know. So we stayed, we stayed watching. Main Bay sent a canine patrol up and then the canine started doing the sweep of the area. And the dog, the dog handler told us later that the dog got a hit like several different

times, like a good, solid hit. But it always lost it. Like it didn't, it couldn't, it would start following the scent and then it would lose it. And the dog was visibly frustrated like afterwards like because these dogs are trained so you know when they get a hit they go um this specific dog actually put down a prison riot in iraq by himself this was a badass dog

so he was uh he was really frustrated when like he kept getting these hits but he couldn't he couldn't track like whatever was was giving that scent off um yeah i mean we did a foot sweep the dog you know swept that nothing couldn't couldn't find a sign of anybody no no disturbance on the ground of like you know maybe i don't know hiding under something nothing interesting now and you had mentioned now this was not inside your perimeter is that why it was outside the area okay it was outside the area yeah that you know the alarms wouldn't have gone off yeah so a situation that where something just as close. Do you have to like make a report on something like that? Or is that kind of a decision you all come together and be like, I don't think it's worked. Like how does that

work? No, we did. We wrote statements about what happened. And our colonel actually did come in to talk to us and to talk to me specifically because I was the I was the first one to see the individual. And he kind of asked, you know, about the incident, what happened and stuff. And this was, was actually probably the most interest I ever saw from leadership about something strange happening. So it kind of set a tone that I was surprised wasn't followed later. Like, we didn't get the same amount of interest later when things happened. But yeah, we did, did chat about it, wrote statements. What happened after that? I don't know. I have no idea. Yeah. All right. Well, that's just as frustrating as the dog got.

Interesting, man. And when you said, like, something would have, like, tripped and fallen if it was, like, doing, going as fast as it was. Like, that makes me feel like, I'm, like, envisioning this thing, like, gliding or, like, levitating above the rocks. I don't know. I don't know. I'm pretty confident. I don't know. I'm pretty confident it was actually running because, I mean, you know, when someone runs,

they, you know, they bob up and down. It was definitely bobbing up and down. Like the individual was definitely bobbing up and down. But yeah, I thought initially like the same thing. But no, it just felt like it was Usain Bolt with no care if he snapped an ankle, you know. And it was rough terrain. I don't realistically see how somebody was running up there as fast as they were running without tripping, falling, breaking an ankle, like, a,

I don't know. Maybe they were really lucky. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. All right. Well, let's move to the next one. Like I said, these things sort of escalate. And yeah, what was the next experience that you remember? So I'm trying to remember the actual timing of all these things. So, you know, they might not be in perfect order. But there was, I think it was my.

second year. It was between my second and third year. There was another sighting of a shadow person, shadow figure, I guess. We, so we had, we had the bunkers where the weapons were kept at, and then we had these plants

where they would do maintenance on the way. They would pull them out of the bunkers, put them in the plants, and do 806 months, I think. I think it was 806. The munitions people would do maintenance on the weapons. So we were practicing an assault on the plants under, you know, a scenario that like terrorists had come in and, you know, gotten access to them or whatever. And afterwards, when our flight chief called Exercise Terminate, we kind of fell into formation outside the plants.

And we were waiting for our flight chief to come. Deep refus, talk about what we did right, what we did wrong. And we knew that he was out in a desert a bit where he could kind of like overwatch everything on the outside. So we were just information, you know, smoking and joking, waiting. And then directly in front of us was a row of small buildings that, I guess, way back in the day, like the 50s to 60s, they used them for various things. One of them was still being used as a garage, but the other buildings were empty. And the building on the far right as you're looking at them was an old chow hall, which was no longer in use. but behind that building was a ladder, a metal ladder,

that you could use to get up onto the roof. And we actually used it all the time because that's where we would set up LPOPs, listening posts, observation posts. We would set up machine guns up there for Overwatch. It was a perfect spot for that stuff. But as we're kind of waiting and talking and stuff, somebody, I'm pretty sure I wasn't the first one to spot it.

somebody spotted a figure up on top of that building, the old Chahal building. It was just a tall, dark figure, completely black. It wasn't immediately strange that it was completely black because there was no light there. And our flight chief was tall, a very dark man. So like it didn't set off alarm bills immediately. As a matter of fact, we all assumed that that was him. simply because it was such a great place to overwatch everything. So everyone assumed, you know, oh, yeah, there's Sarn Tommelin up there.

We called out to them, didn't respond, call out again, no response. And we're like, what's Sarn Tommel doing? So I grab a spotlight, like a handheld spotlight, and then I hit it and I'm cranking it up to hit the figure up there. And as the light goes up the wall, like the moment it hits his seat. feet, the figure just disappears. It's just gone. And this happened in front of, let's see, there was a fire team patrols.

It must have been between 15 and 18 people, and we all saw it. Like every one of us saw it. Wow. And then like, yeah, and that's the thing. Like, it was very creepy. Like, because it is solid black.

Yeah, I saw something similar. I'm sorry to interrupt. Did anyone have thermal on it at that point? Or were you all looking with a naked eye? Okay. No, it was all naked eye. Yeah. Got it.

Wow. Okay. Yeah, I did see something similar a few years ago, actually. The show that I worked for sent me to Waverly Hills in Kentucky. Oh, okay. for anyone who doesn't know it's supposed to be like a very haunted sanitarium back from when to recloses was ravaging the nation um and uh we saw we saw like shadow people um these shadow figures that were milling around in front of the the sanitarium at like i don't know two three in the morning and uh i immediately remembered like the figure that i had seen

and I remember what had happened when I hit it with Spotlight. So I took a laser pointer that I had and I shot the laser pointer because I also wanted to know like is these the security guards down there? Because we were on like the third floor looking down. They were like, is these the security guards?

So I shone the laser pointer down there. And the same thing. As soon as the laser pointer hit one of the figures, they both disappeared. So like I've told some people when I've talked about this, like I'm not so sure we should be conflating all of this phenomena with like the UAP phenomenon.

I don't see any reason why it could be an overlap of two different things. But either way, yeah, I don't know. I can't explain it. You know, it is an alarming thing that have happened inside of a nuclear weapon storage depot. Yeah, I don't know. Did, and I want to move back to the UAPs in just a minute here, Yashua. And I know we're going on 55 minutes already. I knew this has happened once we got going, man.

How much time do you have? I don't want to keep that time. Oh, I'm clear. You're good. Okay, cool, because I've got some awesome listener questions for you as well. But in terms of the shadow people, with all of those experiences, did any of them get close to the nuclear bunkers at all, as it were? Like how close would you say that some of these incidents took place near the actual storage areas of these weapons? We so none that I saw, but we did have patrols call in shadow figures that were literally on the bunkers themselves.

Like I distinctly remember one time, one of my friends called in a shadow figure by the, so the bunkers are buried. They're covered in dirt. and there's a vent all the way at the top in the back. And I distinctly remember he called in a shadow person, individual, by the vent. You know, on the radio, you're not calling in like, oh, there's a shadow ghost or shadow figure. Like, no, there's an individual.

Yeah, I distinctly remember. So, yes, they would get close. They would be around. there was next to our area where we had the nukes we had we called it the WSA

the weapons storage area which was for conventional munitions and there was this area that had these big concrete pads and they would put conventional bombs on there on their way to being shipped over to Iraq and Afghanistan

stand. And every, it was almost predictable. Like, whenever the pads were hot, meaning that there were bombs on the pads, the patrol that was in there, because we would have one patrol that was in there, because it's conventional. So, you know, no one's going to come in and steal a 500 pound bomb. Like, good luck if you're going to try to do that. But whoever was in there, whenever the pads were hot, like, there was a good 80% chance that after shift, they'd be talking about, like, like, man, I saw a person out there. I saw this figure out there. And it's always happened like around the pads.

Weird. Yeah, we definitely saw them get like, I don't think anyone ever saw one directly with a nuke. But like they were on the bunkers and like around the bunkers for sure. Wow. You know, and, you know, I sound like I'm amazed and in awe. And that's so cool. But that is so damn alarming at the same time. like if you really think about it.

Wow. Okay, UAP. I got to talk to you about this crash because I know a lot of our audience is going to want to know about that, something you did talk about with Ross. But yeah, what do you mind telling us about this possible UAP crash that took place?

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I was on what's called the Alert Fire Team. which basically we hung out inside of this building and then if there was an incident we would respond so there was an alert fire team and then a mobile fire team and we were outside of the garage kind of just smoking and joking with another patrol and the guy in front of me as we're talking he sees something over my shoulder and like clearly alarmed and I turn look over my shoulder and there's this I hate to say it, but like, disc-shaped object coming, flying straight over our heads and it's like wrapped in like, I don't want to say it was flames, but a reddish roiling light

all along the front and like half of the craft. And as it got near. What was really strange about it was that sound seemed to deaden. So like it didn't completely kill sound, but it was almost like you're underwater. Like the sound was very deadened. And the object itself, I don't recall a specific like sound. I think there was like a little bit of a throbbing kind of noise. But it came over our heads and you could tell it was losing altitude. it's really hard to like estimate a good size because you know at night and you don't have a reference point when you're looking into the sky so I always hesitate on that but I got the feeling it was maybe 50 feet across like that but the object you could tell it was losing altitude I actually was concerned initially it was going to crash inside of the inside of the area but it came down and you can see that the back half wasn't wrapped in that roiling reddish light

it went and then it went down behind those bluffs where we would always go to to get oversight of everything and when it dipped down behind them there was this huge flash of light like a massive flash of light like the way that I hear people describe nuke explosions way back in the day like you talked to the old timers just this giant flash of light that lit up the sky and we all of us braced ourselves because we expected just this massive shockwave but nothing nothing happened there was no sound it was just a flash of light

there was no sound no nothing and then like the flash was bright enough that where we were at which we would have been when it went down beyond the bluffs we would have been maybe three quarters of a mile away Oh, wow. And where we were at, it was briefly bright enough that it was kind of like daytime. Like that sounds.

So when I say a bright flashlight, I mean it. But nothing. No sound, no nothing. No flames. We expect, you know, fire, explosion and stuff. But nothing. We called it in and exterior patrols went expecting to find, you know, a downed aircraft or something. They couldn't find anything.

They couldn't find anything. no wreckage, no smoke, no flames. Now, granted, we were limited on the exterior patrols how far away you could go because you had to stay close. But it's just not realistic to think that a physical object went down there and didn't leave debris or something. Even if it didn't explode in flames, there would be gouts of dirt, you know, in the air. Like, it's not realistic that something crashed there and they missed it.

Yeah, I mean, that was... What do you think happened after that? Do you think there was a retrieval team that went out? Or did you hear any sirens or any chatter amongst any? Like, yeah, what was the aftermath, at least from your vantage point on all this? Nothing. Nothing. Wow.

Absolutely nothing. That niscivizing. Nothing is like no anomalous activity. Now, the terrain. where it conceivably went down, I could see how you could move a number of personnel out there and us not see it from we were at. That would definitely be plausible.

So I can't discount that like there wasn't some sort of recovery up or something. I just don't know what they would have been recovering because, again, there was no evidence of anything. And there should have been something. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. But for us, no. Last question on this one then. You said it went over the bluffs.

Now, was that the same area? Like, how close to where this shadow entity out near the bluffs was? Was the possible area of impact, I guess you would say? Again, I know that's really hard to probably guesstimate. But, yeah, were they close together at all? Yeah, yeah. I mean, given the speed and the descent rate, I would say that if it did impact the ground, it maybe impacted maybe within a quarter mile of the bluffs, like behind the bluffs, which would have been about a mile and a half from where we were watching it. Yeah, kind of close-ish, I guess.

Those strange area, man. You got shadow people and a down UFO over near those bluffs. Someone's got to get out there. Someone's going to get out there. Actually, I'm curious if, because you can access that. Civilians can access that area. And the actual area is being decommissioned. I'm curious if anybody in Las Vegas has stories from out there.

Because I know people do go out there. I busted teenagers sometimes. I've scared the crap out of them because they were out there, like building the fire and stuff. Yeah, I'd be curious to know if anybody in Las Vegas has stories from out there because you're right. there seems to be a concentration in that area. I'll have to talk to, there's a guy out there named George Arnue, who, you know,

he's known as like the Area 51 guy. He always, he went out a couple weeks ago when there was a UAP crash out, out that way near Groom Lake. I believe it was a drone went down or something, but there was a whole retrieval, cleanup,

and it's a crazy story, man. I'll send you, a link to it. Because then there was tampering with the crash site. They got the FBI had to get involved. It's the whole thing. But I do wonder if George would go out there because he's found stuff out where these possibly UAP crashes have occurred out there in the different areas.

So interesting nonetheless. Okay. The three lights. We got to talk about this one. Because I know this is a pretty impactful event for you. If you're okay sharing this one with us. Yeah. Okay.

It's not my favorite. Yeah. There's been some kind of long-term effects that I've been connecting to the incident. Okay. So this would have happened closer towards the end of my enlistment. I was on the exterior patrol, and we got a call from someone on the interior that there was a truck on the side of a mountain. and kind of, I remember it was due east. Yeah, due east from the perimeter.

And that wasn't out of the ordinary because we had civilians that would off-road up there and stuff. So that wasn't that crazy. So me and my partner went up on top of the bluffs. Again, the bluffs. Of course. We could get a really good line of sight from there. And you could see with the naked eye,

you could see two lights, two white lights along the side of the mountain. And then when you use the night vision, you could see the way that truck headlights would bounce and illuminate the ground. You could see the lights were doing that. So we assume it was just a truck. We watched them for a few minutes. And then there was an invisible line where we knew like, okay, if they crossed this line, we're going to have to move into an intercept position to make sure that they don't, you know, come closer.

And I guess they knew the line, too, because we're really. right when they got to this invisible light, which it's weird because, like, I don't know how somebody else would know, you know, I don't know. But once the lights got to, like, right to where that invisible line in our heads was, they just blinked out. The two lights blinked out. And that immediately alarmed me because that in my head, that means,

like what I was thinking was, okay, this is someone in a truck. they turn the lights off because they know we're out here. This is someone with intent. And they're obviously going to try to get closer. So we didn't have thermal with us out there. So we move towards this position out in the desert about 300 meters from the fence line to where we have complete line of sight

across the flat desert sloping up to the mountain where the lights were last seen at. And it is impossible for you to cross that without us seeing you. Utterly impossible. We got joined by main base canine patrol. So he came out with his dog because he was exercising the dog nearby. So he was like, oh, I'll come, you know, I'll help you guys out. So it's three of us kind of hunching in this little wadi.

The dog's with us and we're just watching. And after a bit, one of the, on the inside of the area, our flight. had dispatch patrols to stand on top of bunkers to where they could kind of get line aside and kind of overview and help us be Overwatch. And they knew roughly where we were at. They couldn't see us, but they knew roughly we were at

because I shown my PAC-4 laser on my weapon back towards them and you could see it on the night vision. So they knew roughly we were at. But Interior Patrol calls over the radio. It's like, hey, Oscar Wem, B-Vice, you got a light directly at your 12 o'clock. And they were describing basically a light kind of up in the sky a bit, not too high up. We look at our 12th, can't see anything.

It's pitch block. Can't hear anything. Look to the dog to see if the dog's indicating, the dog's not indicating nothing. So, you know, weird, definitely. We're starting to get a little bit on edge, especially because by now like my partner was pretty new this pretty confident this was his first weirdness experience but um you know i've been there for years by that point uh even the canine guy who worked on main base he knew about our reputation up there so the two of us were kind of getting on edge a little

bit already shortly after uh another patrol calls in like hey oscar one you've got a light it was either or three or nine o'clock. I can't remember which one. But that alarmed me immediately because now we have a light in front, a light that's flanking us to our side. So I call Security One, our flight chief, to switch to a clear talk radio channel where we can chat, you know, freely. And I ask him like, hey, Sondcroft, are you guys fucking with us? Like, are you, you know, like, are you messing with us? And he's like, no, I can see the lights too. You got one directly in front of you. Another one you know, popped up either three or nine o'clock. He's like, no, this is serious.

Like, we're not messing with you. Swap back to the regular radio channel. And shortly after, another patrol calls in, now there's a third light. And this one is opposite, the second light. So it was either three or nine. At that point, we were basically hemmed in. We had the fence line, about 300 meters behind us,

light in front, lights on either side. we can't see anything we can't hear anything um dog is not indicating like the dog is acting completely normal um i tell my uh i tell my partner i was like hey put around in the chamber because whatever this is like this this is showing hostile in my opinion this is showing hostile intent uh and thinking that these might be vehicles i told i was like put a two or three in the in the grenade launcher within maybe 30 seconds or so, one of the original patrols calls her the radio panicked. I still remember panic.

It calls out the lights are rushing your position, something like that. So from their point of view later, as I learn, these three lights basically simultaneously rush straight at our position and then blinked out. From our point of view, they called that over the radio. I grabbed my partner and turned them to look towards our three o'clock. K-9 guy is already looking towards the 9 and I'm watching the 12.

All of us up around in the chamber. Again, dog is not doing anything. Like dog is acting completely normal. We sit. I want to say it was a good like 10 minutes that we were just sitting. like not saying anything, just watching. And this is what I have trouble with because by this point in time, I've been on-scene commander for countless exercises for a few real-world events.

I was a central security controller. Like I had enough experience that I knew that when you're in a tactical situation, especially, you know, like at night or when, you know, you can't see what's really going on, you live and die by the radio. That radio is a lifeline. You rely on that radio for people to tell you what they see, what's going on and stuff. And you're feeding back information constantly. I can't explain why none of us thought to use our radio and to ask for an update or to radio our own update, you know,

nothing. And it's just so perplexing to me because that would have never happened. Like I would have never gone more than 30 seconds without asking a question or something, especially when something is actively happening to. And then we also, none of us realized that our radios weren't receiving transmissions. Like it went from all this radio chatter to no radio chatter. But we didn't acknowledge it. We didn't realize it. We didn't really. realize it. And that's so bizarre to me. But after a while, I told the K-9 guy, I was like, we can't do anything out here. Like, whatever's going on, like, we can't do anything here. Let's get back to the vehicles. Oh, right before that, sorry, right before that is when we finally realized, like, oh, we're not getting radio transmissions. So I call in the radio check. There's no answer. Partner calls it on his radio, no answer. K-9 tries his radio. He tries a contact main base.

No answer. And then that's when I tell the K-9 sergeant, I'm like, we can't do anything out here. Let's get back to the vehicles. Let's reestablish contact. So we get out of the wadi. We're walking back. And when we get to like a certain point, I guess,

all three of our radios come back to life. And we start hearing transmissions from inside. Now, what's also peculiar, is that the interior patrols, they couldn't actually see us where we were at because the distance was just too great, it was too dark, but they knew our location. However, as we approached the fence line,

once we got to within 150 meters of the fence line, we should have been clearly visible, like they should have been able to see as clear as day. And yet nobody spotted us, Until right around when the radios came back to life was when you heard patrol on the inside calling in that they had eyes on us. And by this time, we were almost to our vehicles. So I called in a radio check. My security one, my flight chief, immediately contact me and told me to in process right away.

And when I in process, like the first question he asked me is like, where the fuck where are you? Like, where were you? Yeah. And I was confused, you know, because he was like pretty agitated. And I was confused because I thought, you know, it'd been like 10 minutes, 10, maybe 15 minutes at most, you know, 10 minutes there and then 5 minutes of the vehicles at most. And he showed me on the radio logs from control how like we had been gone. I think it was like 30 minutes. I don't know, like 20, 30 minutes we had just been out of touch, like out of contact.

And it just, whatever the time was, I can't remember exactly the time, whatever the time was, it was significantly longer than I thought. Yeah, we wrote statements about what happened. I don't know, nothing from my end. Like, I didn't see anything happened because of that or anything. But I think I told Ross this off the air or when we were exchanging emails. this is the part I hate months after this I was with

I was with my girlfriend and we were watching like a UFO thing on TV and it was talking about like abductions and they showed like a little recreation and they showed one of the little gray aliens I guess with the big black eyes

and it like it freaked me. It had a very big impact on me to where my girlfriend was like, are you okay? Like, what is going on with you? And then right around that same time frame, we were at Barnes & Noble and happened to walk past Communion, the book. And you know that face that's on the front of it. It's right back here.

I won't pull it out, man. I don't want to trigger anything. I hate that face. Not like, not like I feel a nomosity to it. It just, it terrifies me. And it's so, I've never, you know, I don't know. It's disturbing that after this, I would start getting these feelings anytime, even to this day, anytime I see like the typical, with a big black eyes, it just freaks me out.

I just went to a haunted house for Halloween. and my my friend was joking about like oh they're going to have like an alien part and you're going to freak out and he's right if they had had I would probably freak out yeah but I don't know I don't know what the correlation is maybe there is none but yeah after that was when like that specific image started being very uncomfortable for me to see I hate it I hate seeing that image wow well thank you for sharing that I know you know that that's not easy for anyone. And it's clear.

It's affected you. And, you know, it could mean nothing or it could mean everything. And I know you're probably still struggling with that, exploring that and trying to come to terms with certain things. You know, what's real, what's not real. Like, that's the struggle with being a witness or experience or to any of these phenomena. So, I mean, man, I feel. you. I do. I do. Especially when you had like missing time during that last experience there, as it were. Yeah. Wow. Dude, that's that's a lot. That's a lot on your shoulder. So I,

I commend you. And thank you. Thank you for sharing that part. Thanks for listening. Oh, God, my my absolute honor. Well, I've got maybe one or two last questions for you. And then I'll breeze through the listener ones for you. I do not want to take up too much of your valuable time. But now you left, when did you leave service, if I may ask? April 2008. Okay. So all of these experiences, I did not even ask you this, and I apologize.

What years were all of your Nellus 2 experiences? 2002, I think like October 2002 was when I got to Area 2. So 2002 to 2008. Okay, gotcha. So you left in 2008. Now, I know some reports were filed like you had mentioned and everything, but then you don't know what happens after that. But you did talk to Ross about you did eventually speak to somebody about some of these experiences.

Is that something you can share with us where you did report some of these things to? Yeah, I talked with Robert Hastings, actually. Okay. I can't remember what made me reach out to him. He must have popped up somewhere, and he was talking about UFOs and nuke. I know that I reached out to him specifically because he had knowledge of UFOs and nukes. I just can't remember what led me to, like what was the, I don't know. But I did reach out to him, and I shared, and I, man, he's got such a better record of all.

Because these are like 20 years old for me at this point. So he's got such a better, more accurate record of everything. And I know I shared with them, like I took screenshots of like Google Maps and I shared with them the exact locations where things happen and stuff. But I did have a few people who were kind of like, maybe you shouldn't be talking, you know, and all this. And I hate that. Like I really regret that I cut off communications with them. I really did. It was rude. I really I really hate that. It was rude of me. But I also hate it because I allowed myself by the culture to be intimidated into not talking about this. And I hate the thought that like maybe if I had spoken up sooner, maybe there's someone out there who like, you know, would have felt like, oh, I'm not the only person that experienced something like this.

It's like I said at the start. Like for me, it's not about disclosure. It's about people. Yeah. Well, I mean, man, nobody can blame you. I mean, it's a culture of secrecy, especially with this sort of work that you did and credibility and in reputation. And it's taken all these military witnesses dozens of years to finally come forward. Like, it's crazy. And it's, it doesn't matter when you do it. It's the fact that you did it. And we thank you for that because that will again empower the next witness and the next. and the next. And then that's when you really can, like, I'm already thinking of people that I would love to put you in touch with who were on nuclear installations that had similar experiences. And, yeah, it's, I think the most important thing is that you're doing it now. And it's never too late to, like, get back into communication with certain people. If you had the opportunity to, like, testified before Congress, like some of these other people did, would you consider doing something like that?

Or do you think the protections aren't there yet for these quote-unquote whistleblowers? Have you ever thought about that? I actually just had this conversation with a veteran friend of mine. Because he had some experience. He was an army. He had some experiences when he was in Iraq. And we were talking about this. He actually asked me, the exact same thing you just asked me.

And I told him, I was like, yeah, I'd have no problem. like testifying. The reason I'd have no problem testifying is because nothing that I've shared was like under an NDA or anything like that. And he asked me like, well, what if you like

had something that was definitive proof or something, but it was under an NDA? And we both kind of chatted about it and we're like, we couldn't like, you know, we did take an oath that does mean something. And we couldn't, we couldn't just break it.

Yeah. Yeah. But no, I, yeah, I would. I would in the hopes that, like, other people would be encouraged to kind of speak up. And we could start changing this ridicule culture and show people like, no, there's credibility to this phenomenon. Like, we're not all crazy. We're not all liars. It's impossible at this point.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think the numbers speak for itself, man. And yeah, I mean, you're making an impact today having this conversation with me. So I truly do appreciate it. I've got some listener questions for you.

Okay. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Yeah, we, you know, a lot of people saw your interview. They were super excited when I announced that we were going to have you on the show. So our Patreon subscribers actually get priority to ask us guest questions. So they go right to the front, VIPs, baby. So we've got Lissa, Lissa, H on Patreon. on she wants to know after witnessing all of these things yeshoa how do you separate what's

paranormal from what might be classified technology and has your definition of reality change since leaving the military kind of a keyhole question there that is an amazing question yeah yeah that's a good one i wish i asked it that is lisa Lisa right uh lisa listen Lisa that is an amazing question. I have had so many debates about this with close friends and people who have experienced things. Let me think for a moment. Yeah. So like I told you earlier, I had that suspicion for a while. What if some of these things we're experiencing are just images being projected, you know? maybe by our own people.

I mean, you know, the military has a long history of testing things on its own people. And who better to test something to deceive the senses than on people guarding nukes, you know?

So I can't say, I can't even say that what I experienced was UAP as defined by other witnesses to have maybe like, Lieutenant Commander, David Freyer almost certainly witnessed a technological object. The only thing I can't say is when we had the two individuals who were observing us doing security

operations, they were biological and they were real because they left behind a thermal signature on the desert and they were picked up on thermal. So those were real. Now, what were they or who were they? No clue. the object that seemed to crash, I'm extremely confident was a real technological object, simply because of the effect on the environment

and that slight throbbing sound, which I actually have heard after, actually recently. Yeah, I actually heard that exact same sound almost a year ago. I'm pretty confident that was a technological object. But yeah, everything else I don't know. Now, as far as like, how is my perception of reality changed? That's a really good question. I feel like I had a pretty naturalistic worldview like most people just because of our education, you know.

That has changed dramatically, honestly, since I had my own experiences, since I left the military, since I looked more into this topic, I'm extremely convinced that the way that we perceive the world is not the full picture. There's all this talk of like a mind connection to the UAP phenomenon. I suspect that that's probably true. You know, there's these groups attempting to interact with UAP using, I guess, psionics and stuff. just from just from reading on the phenomenon i actually wonder if maybe the entire point of this isn't to train us to think differently um i see a pattern where like there seems it seems like

the phenomenon shows itself enough to make us curious but not to satisfy that curiosity um i don't think it's a coincidence that like the phoenix lights incident for instance hasn't repeated itself and it took place at a time where people didn't have high definition cameras in their phone. So why hasn't something like that repeated itself when people do have high definition cameras in their pocket? I almost feel like it's like trying to make us curious without giving itself fully away so that we kind of change the way that we think about not just the phenomenon, but everything. I just have a feeling the universe is a lot stranger than we think it is. and we're not configured to really accept that strangeness.

Fantastic question. Yeah, no, fantastic answer, man. I mean, I always tell people, UFOs and I guess if you want to lump aliens in with UFOs, I try to keep them separate. They are a mirror on ourselves. They say more about humanity than I think the actual phenomena themselves. So, yeah, it is fascinating. Cool, cool.

I love that. Okay, Thomas R on Patreon asks. Really enjoyed your interview with Ross Colthart. If you set aside the language of entities, he puts in parentheses, what feeling did these shadow figures convey to you? Were they curious, hostile, observing, or something more symbolic, like manifestations tied to the site's energy or to human fear itself? Wow, that is a,

that's a big question um but yeah what i guess what did these entities sort of convey to you if anything through their movements or what you felt when you were experiencing them if anything um i'm putting myself back back there in those shoes i can't say that like i got a feeling directly from um it their behavior from what i saw and what i saw and what other people saw. It just, it seems perplexingly tricksterish. Like it didn't

feel like overtly hostile. It didn't feel, you know, if these are real physical entities that have an agenda, whatever that agenda is, doesn't feel like it's outright hostile. It almost feels tricksterish. Maybe place. foolish, you know.

Yeah, it never felt, I mean, like the figure that I talked with Ross about where me and my partner were watching it run back and forth between these two buildings. Maybe I didn't translate well enough how fast this thing was moving, but it was moving very fast. And it was moving fast enough that like if it wanted to do something hostile to us, I'm pretty confident. It could have been on us, you know,

before we could get like some accurate shots off on it. So it just and like why do that? Why run back and forth between two buildings? It just yeah. So either they're either they have an agenda that is no pun intended, it's so alien to us that we can't comprehend. You know, I'm sure animals watches do things and they're like, what do they do it?

Which, you know, could be a case with a super intelligence. You never know. Either that or it's just. trickster-ish, you know. Yeah, I don't know. I like that. These things, they're like displays, man. It's like a performance piece.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like being played out before you. For what reason we may never know, but, like, that's, that's kind of the beauty of art. Like, you interpret it different way. I don't know why this person is doing this weird, you know, performance piece or I don't know what modern. Like, dude, I've been to so many modern dance. shows and I'm like, I don't know what the hell is going on right now. But it means something to that person next to me. And it means something. So who knows? Who knows? And it's going to mean something

different to the person doing it, I guess is my point too. Yeah. Sorry. What were you going to say? I wonder sometimes like if we went on like an alien prank show and like there's this TV for them like, I don't know. It totally could be. It could be. It could be. Oh, here's a fun one. Okay. Jake, Jake on Twitter asks, what do you make of the whole Area 51 mythology? And Bob Lazar and crashed nine flying saucers being reverse engineered at Site 4 out there at Area 51?

Like, were these things ever talked about when you went to Area 2? And what do you personally think of all of this? Boblizar sort of Area 51 mythos that we now know about. I had a flight chief who before he came to us, he was working at another area. He couldn't name it. It was out in the desert. But he told us one story to where a civilian Cessna was having engine troubles.

and I guess where he was working at was they had like a nice flat kind of landing area. He didn't specifically call it like a landing strip, but it was the way they described it was like a camouflage kind of landing strip, I guess. And apparently the facility, who was in charge of the facility, they were debating because this Cessna was going to go down and they were nowhere near a civilian airport. So they were debating like, do we turn on the lights and allow them to land, you know, save their lives, basically. So they made the decision to go ahead and turn on the lights temporarily enough for the Cessna to get a fix coming to land.

And according to him, the Cessna landed and him and the rest of security personnel went out and grabbed the father. There was a father and like a teenage daughter. they grabbed them, blindfolded them, handcuffed them, took them away. He says he doesn't know what happened to them after, like, he handed off to another security team. And then base engineers came out and they dismantled that says not like nuts and bolts. Like they took it completely apart, which obviously they're looking for intelligence devices, you know. Like they're looking for eavesdropping devices. Because, you know, this could be an intelligence op.

You don't know. Yeah. So the reason I share that story is to see. say that like security is taken incredibly seriously, incredibly seriously at these, at these facilities. So some elements of what I've heard of the mythos of Area 51 rings true to me. As far as like the phenomenon, it's relation to Area 51, we did used to get DOE transports that would be coming from.

groomlake. They would always be either in like these giant boxes on semi so you couldn't see like I remember one was actually oversized. It was huge, this huge oversized box on a semi. Other times they'd be covered in like tarps and stuff so you can never see. And we, they would have their own security for it. The most that we would do is if they didn't go into their designated bunkers, we would overwatch from a distance.

sometimes they would park in this giant parking lot and we would overwatch from a distance, but we weren't allowed to like get close to them and stuff. We did hear rumors like, you know, anybody would hear rumors, but nothing, nothing even remotely verifiable or anything. The Lazar thing, I've heard, I've heard his story, and I've educated myself on, you know, his story in recent recent years um i did have one sticking point with with lazar's story i know that he describes at one point how he was i believe he says he was shown like a or he saw like a binder or something and it was talking about different things and something about like religion was invented by these aliens

and stuff yeah and that kind of stuck out to me because from the way that i know that i know security operations work, if your job is to work on a specific part, like a specific part of a UFO, let's say, you know, that's all you're going to have access to. And Lazar says the same thing. So the reason why that stood out to me is why would he have access to this information about religion and aliens, you know, like how would that be relevant to his, what, the duties he's performing? I can't see any security program being run in a way to where you're going to have access to any information that is not. Like that's the whole point of compartmentalization, you know. Right.

So certainly not saying that he's lying or anything. I mean, who knows? Maybe they were laxed with these matters or, but then I also wonder like could have been a plant, you know? Maybe it was planted like to make him seem less credible in case he did leak information, you know? If I was in charge of running a highly compartmentalized program studying UFO craft, I guarantee you that I would feed false information to people working on individual parts so that if they decided to be whistleblowers, they'd be less credible, you know, or they'd be given out false information to my adversaries and stuff, you know.

Yeah. So I don't know. That stood out to me. Yeah, I'm glad you asked because I've had that thought for a while now about that, like, binder that he said he saw and how it kind of clashes with compartmentalization. It's weird, man. You make such a good point, though.

Like the best way, like everything he says could be true. Maybe he was working on a craft and reverse engineering it or trying to understand the propulsion, whatever. But then, yeah, you feed these tiny little falsehoods. So if he ever does come forward, yeah, he's going to sound crazy. like a binder of aliens and religion like what is this deep talking about come on yeah um it makes perfect sense yeah yeah um wow i never even thought about that like he could it it could all be true but then when he comes forward and starts sprinkling these really out there things it's going to

completely discredit everything he says yep good point very good point um okay i have one last question and then I want to give you the floor. But has this, we talked off there, you're an artist. Has this impacted or influenced any of your art moving forward, all of these different weird experiences in your life? I mean, maybe even subconscious, we never know, right? Like what we're truly inspired by this divine inspiration, I guess, as it were. But yeah, do you feel like any of this sort of stuff that's happened in your life?

in altering your reality has affected your art in any way. I always love to ask you creative people. At first, I didn't think it was real. I woke up to this blinding light, and I was transported to another place. Pluto TV. Then I heard a voice. Come with me if you want to live. There were thousands of movies and shows, and they were all free.

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Yes. I was considering, because when you had reached out, you had asked me this question. And so I was thinking about like, you know, if this phenomenon is all true, like how does affect art and stuff. And the one thing I kept thinking about was like if if what people say by UAPs UFOs is real, like the whole the general dialogue is true, I was like, this is going to ruin science fiction because like, you know, you got Starship troopers, Star Wars, like you have this big epic, you know, Warhammer 40K.

We love our big epic, you know, battles in space and stuff. And it's so obvious that this phenomenon is real, none of that is happening. Like, absolutely none of that is going to ever happen. And I was just like, man, it's going to ruin science fiction if, like, tomorrow, like, the president comes out as like, this is all true. This is all real. It's like, oh, crap. Now we've got to come up with, like, brand new science fiction.

Yeah. So as far as, like, affecting me. my art, I don't, I don't think so. But what I have found, I have found that like, I kind of care more about people. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like maybe when you start considering the magnitude of like what happened and the implications, it kind of makes you think like, man, people matter. I don't know if there really is a super intelligence watching the earth is like man we're kind of embarrassing like we're kind of an embarrassing species the way we treat each other and stuff so like it's really made an impact on me as far as like I really want to start treating people better and it's interesting

you you brought up the thing about like perception and people change and like people have a European encounter and then they do music now or whatever. And it's interesting that there's like this correlation also with near-death experiences because I've studied those extensively. I've written on them a lot for my old show. And like there seems to be some similarities between the two in certain regards. But yeah, I'm starting to believe more and more that this whole thing really is about consciousness.

like maybe there is a biological actor, a biological agent behind the phenomenon. Maybe it is an alien species or multiples or maybe, you know. But I think that this whole thing is kind of really speaking to consciousness and how important it is that we change the way we think and expand like our own mind, our own sense of mind. I love that. U.O.s are a kick in the ass, man.

It expands your mind. It shifts your paradigm. I had a sighting when I was 12 years old that ultimately changed the entire course of my life. Look at me. Doing a freaking UFO podcast. Yeah. Like I thought I was going to be like a pro baseball player. And now I'm here I am.

But you know what? I would, I don't regret a single moment of it. It's afforded me over 450 episodes now of having conversations like this with you. and it's changed my life, this entire topic. And I love it. It's frustrating, never getting the answers. But you know what? Like, I came to the conclusion for myself personally that I'm probably never going to get those answers. I'm never going to know what I saw when I was 12 years old with my father, actually. Like, we're never going to know what it was. And that's okay. Like, it's what you do with it and moving forward with it. And I love chasing that mystery. And I feel like, you know, it's fueled me to, like you said, look at people a different way and realize like there's more to this universe, this, this reality as we know it. Man, man, we could go in so many different ways with the consciousness thing. We'll have to have you

back to kind of explore that, Yashua. But yeah, dude, this has been incredible. I kept you over an hour longer than I told you. So I want to thank you for. For that, for doing that. But my last kind of closing thing for you here is we do have a lot of military people. Current and former who listen to this show. I get emails all the time. Actually, one, 15 minutes before I went on air with you of a Navy guy who I'm going to be speaking to about something. But if someone from the government or from the military is listening or watching,

this right now. What would you say to them? Like, what do you most want them and everyone to remember about your story and your experiences and what this all means? Like, is there any last parting words you want to give to everyone out there? Yeah. Put you on the spot. I apologize. I guess the first thing I'd say just because of my security background would be, hey, our adversaries are always working against us. So, like, report. Like, don't sit on something because it might be something prosaic. It might be a foreign adversary praying on an awareness of this UFO phenomenon and our own, you know, hesitation to speak up about it, to do some real intelligence collection.

So report it. Second thing I'd say is, and I'd say to non-military, I'd say it to everybody, like, talk about what you experience. Like, stand up for it. Stand up for yourself. Stand up for your experience.

And, yeah, you might face ridicule culture, you know, but if you educate yourself on the phenomenon, educate yourself in the history of it. You know, 1957, RB47, And electronic warfare aircraft trailed by a UFO for hundreds of miles, three out of four of the electronic warfare instruments picked up a signal that this craft was emitting that they thought was radar. But if it was a human radar, it would be in the size of a football field and airborne. And the EW equipment confirmed what the crew sighting that it did, a 180-degree turn around the aircraft. ground radar confirm the crew's sightings of this UFO, including impossible physics that

it displayed. Like, this is real data that is out there. Like, inform yourself on real data that exists, like these stellar cases that you cannot just write away. And once you do and you start speaking knowledgeably on, like, things that can be, like, things we have data on that can't just be easily, you know, spleen the way, you start be incredible and people start sort of blanching in their way that they might try to attack you with ridicule culture. It's tough though. Like I get it. It's tough. I would say just stand up,

stand up for your experience, stand up for yourself, stand up for friends and family and strangers that have had, you know, experiences. If there really is a conspiracy to silence away, this whole phenomenon, and I would say that there's evidence that points that that is true, then the best way to defeat this conspiracy is to speak up and to be brave enough to speak up and encourage others to speak up. If you're interested in disclosure, I think that it begins with changing the cultural narrative. I love that, man. I love that. Oh, I could not think of a better way to conclude this, man. If people wanted to reach out to you other former military or anything, is there somewhere they can find you, or are you more of a private person?

And I don't want to, you know, give that away if not. Yeah, I guess you can find me on Instagram. It's just at Y-O-S-H-S. Perfect. Yeah, I mean, I post pretty much just pictures of my dogs, but you're welcome. I saw one of them joining us tonight if you're watching it on YouTube. That was awesome. Yeah, I caught him out of the corner of my eye.

Love it, love it. Yeah, feel free to reach out on there, I guess. Awesome. Yeah, we'll put a link in the show note as well for that. But this was so inspiring, man. Thank you. Thank you for taking the time to share all of that with us. Thank you for your service, obviously, as well. And I really think people are going to get a lot out of this. So yes, Joshua, thank you so much for joining us today and Somewhere in the Skies. Yeah, thanks for having me. Somewhere in the Skies is part of the Somewhere Podcast universe. Please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. To learn more about all of our shows, visit the SPU.com. Enjoy more ways to save at Ralph's, like low prices in every aisle. And when you download the Ralph's app, you can clip and save more with digital coupons every week.

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