Song Exploder - Jon Batiste - We Are

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

Jon Batiste is a pianist, songwriter, and composer from New Orleans. He’s been nominated for multiple Grammys, and just won the Golden Globe and got an Oscar nomination for the soundtrack to the Pixar film Soul, which he composed along with Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross. Jon is also a recipient of the American Jazz Museum’s Lifetime Achievement Award, and on weeknights, you can see him as the bandleader on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert. In March 2021, he put out his new album, We Are. But the title track from it actually came out much earlier, in June 2020. In this episode, Jon talks about how he drew from his roots, both at a personal level and at a cultural level, and wove all of it into the song.For more, visit songexploder.net/jon-batiste.

You're listening to Song Exploder, where musicians take apart their songs, and piece by piece, tell the story of how they were made. I'm Rishi Kesh Hirwe. For the last couple weeks, I've been getting ready for a trip I'm going to make to Connecticut to moderate a conversation between John Batiste and his wife, the author Suleka Juad. So I've been deepened my prep and research, and I thought about the first time I ever spoke to John Batiste, which was for a Song Exploder episode that came out back in March 2021. A lot has happened for John since then. At the time, his album We Are was brand new. The next year, he ended up getting 11 Grammy nominations and winning five of them, including Album of the Year.

John and Suleka were also the subjects of the award-winning documentary, American Symphony. And I really enjoyed our conversation, and I wanted to revisit it. So here it is. John Batiste is a pianist, songwriter, and composer from New Orleans. He's been nominated for multiple Grammys, and he just won the Golden Globe and got an Oscar nomination for the soundtrack to the Pixar film, Sol, which he composed along with Trent Rezner and Atticus Ross.

John is also a recipient of the American Jazz Museum's Lifetime Achievement Award, and on Weeknights, you can see him as the bandleader on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert. In March 2021, he put out his new album, We Are. But the title track from it actually came out much earlier in June 2020. song out during the Black Lives Matter protest before it was even finished being mixed and mastered. In this episode, John talks about how he drew from his roots, both at a personal level and at a cultural level, and wove all of it into the song. I'm John Battiste. So I started working on this song in September of 2019 with Kizzo, a great producer from the Netherlands in Autumn Row.

we met up in New York City and this is pre-COVID. My life is busy. I'm doing the late show. I'm writing the score for soul. I have so many different things going on at the same time, but I really wanted to find a way to write.

And we got together for nine days and with a laptop and a MIDI keyboard and a bunch of instruments in my dressing room at the Ed Sullivan Theater, we started working on songs. Autumn and Kizzo would be in the dresser room working, I would be in there working, popping in and out to do things. And there wasn't a lot of time for the critical analytical side of music making. It was more along the lines of sparks of inspiration that we capture and then move on to the next spark. You know, Carol Burnett, she told me something that I didn't even realize until, you know, four years into it being my dressing room that that was her dressing room when she was doing the Carol Burnett show. She was telling me all kinds of stories about what happened. in that dressing room.

And obviously the Ed Sullivan Theater has all of these titans of culture and music that have all walked through those halls and played on that stage. And I think that we captured some of the spirits that are in that space.

But at the end of 10 songs or so, this was the first day where we'd hit a wall and we felt, oh, maybe this is the end of the road. And we thought we had kind of maxed out. And I left the room to take a phone call.

and it was like a long phone call, maybe an hour or something. I come back into the room and there's this beat. There's drums and chords. And I was like, oh, well, maybe we're not done here yet. It's always the same feeling when I get inspired. I just feel like I want to dance. I feel like I want to get up and grab it and hug it. Autumn has this really wonderful gift of creating melodies

and she had something on track that resonated with me. So she's doing something, I'm just like, ooh. Typically the way that we work is she'll have a melody or something like that. And then I'll write to my heart. And what came out is we are the golden ones. We are the chosen ones. One, two. We are the chosen ones.

Okay. That's Autumn and Kizzo and myself, capturing the vocal trying to create a choir because I wanted it to feel like just the whole world singing. We are, we are chosen ones. We are, we are, we are, we are the golden ones. We are the golden ones. We are the chosen ones.

The idea that our destiny is in our own hands through free will and the expression of our own personal power comes from me seeing the ancestral line of the black diaspora and all of the superpowers that they've been endowed with that have been given to me as a part of this sacred lineage to see how we've overcome such marginalization, but there are still so many unsung heroes who have taught and picketed and protested and stood and created. I think about my grandfather who he was the president of the hotel workers union and the postal workers union in Louisiana and he was an activist and now he's an elder in the AME church and he is a manifestation of what I'm talking about.

He's an unsung hero in the sense that he's not a name that you know. He's not one of the five people that we picked to put in our social studies textbooks. But when I wrote the first verse, I was thinking about his wife, my grandmother. Her nickname was Nana. The ghetto is full of stars. Watched him shine from afar on days when it's hot. And always Nana knows how to sing. She passed away when I was a kid, but I saw her and the strength and resilience that she had raised eight kids, strength mixed with this nurturing, knowing quality.

As I got older and now have been in this world of celebrity, I see the resonance of a star of a person who has revered in that way. And she had that in spades. She was a star. So that was the first thing I wrote. The ghetto is full of stars. I started to think about how many of our greatest natural resource, humans, how much of it do we waste and undervalue? There are ghettos all over the world that are full of people to be celebrated, full of people who could shine their light. All of these kids, one of those kids could be Shirley Chisholmah.

That could be Albert Einstein. The next Miles Davis could be somewhere in a school where they cut the music program. In Holly Grove with my grandmother, where I used to go sit on the porch. It's full of stars. I was there. I saw it. As I was writing it, I felt that this is an anthem that the whole world will sing. I'm envisioning us playing this at the Super Bowl, which led to the dream of a marching band. So we made a demo out of MIDI instruments. Obviously, we didn't have a marching band in the dressing room.

So after that day, this is literally all in one day. Working 12, 16 hour days, you know, we left with a full song that could have been the final version. But it didn't feel as authentic to who it is that I am. I needed to expand on the palette of sound and we weren't going to be able to finish the entire vision in the dressing room. But this was a roadmap. My friend Ryan Lynn, he was also the executive producer of the album. He functions almost as a mirror for me, keeping me authentic and keeping me honest. So the next month, we were listening to music and thinking about doing all these different things with the record creatively.

And one of the songs that had stood out was a song by Mac Miller called Ladders. I had the great honor of knowing Mac a bit and playing with him, his last television appearance was with us. Performing ladders from his new album Swimming with John Battiste and Stay Human. Please welcome back to The Late Show, Mack Miller. The times that I played with Mac and heard his recordings, the stuff that stood out, there was a common thread with all of it,

the elements of the tracks that really stood out sonically to me, which was that Pomo, this producer, was involved or produced, it was all done by him. So we set up sessions with Pomo, and the next month is a process of working with Pomo on We Are, crafting a certain world that that puts us in sonically. So the piano is a character throughout the record. With the bare piano chords, you feel the eerieness, the hovering of the spirits over the waters,

the lack of knowing what's around the corner. We're never alone, no, no. The Melotron was also very important in creating that feel. The Melotron has a ghoulish quality in particular when you're dealing with the choir. But to capture what I love and one of the things that I do best, we have to have a band in the room. So we set up sessions with Corey Wong, Nate Smith, and Samuel Hell on the organ. And we re-recorded the rhythm track.

And then I said, uh, That's my grandfather. That's how he talks. He talks in a preach. He's a spiritual man. We're going to get our soul. We did that inner peace. Yeah?

That was recorded, me and him sitting in his bedroom, and he was talking to me. He was telling me about life. Nothing, man, cannot give you that. I knew that I needed something to hear because it fits so much with the narrative or with the, the song is about and how he's a representation of unsung heroes who are largely the engine of inspiration for this whole album. And he is a manifestation of what I'm talking about that's also in my family. And then, neither angel or king can break this thing. That's me saying neither angel

or king can break this thing. And that counterpoints his talk about how we have to get our souls to a place of inner peace, and neither angel or king can break this thing, is a reference to something that I read in the Bible, in the book of Romans, how nothing can separate us from God and his love being in us. And that is something that I think would give you a lot of peace if you actually were able to live that out and understand that. When we recorded the demo, I remember explaining the vision of it in seeing my high school marching band, who represent a lot in my community, the St. Augustine High School marching band, the Marching 100, the Purple Knights represent so much about black

culture and empowerment. All of it just collided in my mind. So we flew to New Orleans to capture the marchion. band. One, two, ready, and... It took a few pep talks. I said, push to the limit of the instrument and the sound that you can produce on it and the meaning that you can produce through it. You have to have a level of intensity that borders on hysteria because that puts you in the

place of urgency that I wanted to convey through this song. They did a great job. That's the gospel soul children. They're institution, really, in New Orleans music. They're representing the world that will one day eventually sing this song. And I explained that I don't want it to be too singery. I want it to feel like it's a chant in unison. Craig Adams is the conductor of the gospel soul children.

As we were recording, he didn't want to sing. He wanted to conduct only. And I told him that this moment calls for somebody who can represent the thing that happens in the black church when somebody gets up to testify and it breaks in the song. We are never, we're never alone. The essence of that is a very specific sort of singing that's just so black and so rooted in our tradition of music making and of overcoming. It goes back to singing spirituals in rural fields in the South.

I needed that. and Craig is the organ that's at my grandfather's church. So I want Craig to sing that part because it's a life experience. It's not a musical part. You have all of these different things that we're putting together and they all have to be wrapped in intensity.

So I wanted to go back to this idea of like the whole world singing this song. Was there ever a point of tension where you're like I'm singing about something that is so essentially about the black experience? in America. And yet I'm inviting all of these other people

to participate. To me, the specific is the most universal because it's so deeply rooted in your experience that you could be talking about your life and your lineage

and the things you've overcome. And somebody who's from a completely different cultural perspective and different generation can resonate with that. I mean, this song is an effort of 200 people.

about 200 people. It's so deep rooted in my blood, in my soul, but there was just these moments of real connection and meaningful connection that seeped into the song in a real way. And when you get specific, super specific, it just becomes about experience and humanity. So when I'm saying we are,

if you look at people and their experiences, were way, way more alike than the things that make us different. Coming up, you'll hear how all of this came together in the final song. I have a new album of my own coming out on April 24th. It's been about 15 years since I last put out of full length, and this is the first one that'll be out under my own name, Rishi Kesh Her Way. I started making Song Exploder when I was feeling lost in my own music career. And then for over a decade, I've gotten to have these incredible conversations

about the process of making music, talking to other artists, and it made me completely rethink my relationship to music and my way of writing songs. And this album is the product of all of that. It features contributions from some of my favorite artists, including some folks that you may have heard on this podcast, like Iron and Wine, Kevin Morby, Vagabon, Fenlily, and the producer Phil Wine Rope.

I'm going to be on tour playing in cities across the U.S. starting in April, and I'm trying to bring the spirit of the podcast with me. So every show that I'm playing will begin with a conversation about the album with a different amazing guest moderator in each city. Like Adam Scott, Samin Nasrat, Jason Manzukas, Josh Molina, Minjin Lee, Ken Jennings, John Roderick, Austin Cleon, and more. They're all going to be my conversation partners on stage. And then I'll play with my band.

The album is called In the Last Hour of Light, and the first couple songs are out now. You can listen to the music and get tickets for the shows on my website. Rishikash.co. Or just go to songexploder.net slash live. That's songexploader.net slash live. Thanks. And now here's We Are by John Battiste in its entirety. Visit songexploader.net. You'll find links to buy or stream we are. And you can watch the video of John performing ladders with Mac Miller on the late show. This episode was originally made by me with Tini Lieberson, Casey Deal, and Kathleen Smith. This reissue was produced by Craig Ely and Mary Dolan with production assistants from Tiger Biscop.

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