Soul Boom - Am I Lonely or Spiritually Disconnected? (w/ Radha Agrawal)

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

What if the cure for our loneliness epidemic isn’t more screen time—but sacred dance floors, radical service, and remembering our ancestors? In this deep and energizing Soul Boom episode, Rainn Wilson sits down with Radha Agrawal, founder of Daybreaker and the Belong Center, to explore how ancient wisdom, intergenerational gatherings, and collective joy can rebuild our fractured world. This episode is brought to you by... Airbnb: 👉 https://www.airbnb.com/host ⏯️ SUBSCRIBE! 👕 MERCH OUT NOW! 📩 SUBSTACK! FOLLOW US! 👉 Instagram: http://instagram.com/soulboom 👉 TikTok: http://tiktok.com/@soulboom CONTACT US! Sponsor Soul Boom: [e-mail] Work with Soul Boom: [e-mail] Send Fan Creations, Questions, Comments: [e-mail] Executive Produced by: Kartik Chainani Executive Produced by: Ford Bowers, Samah Tokmachi Companion Arts Production Supervisor: Mike O'Brien Theme Music by: Marcos Moscat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to soul. Imagine if you close your eyes, and you think of your mom and dad behind you, your grandparents behind them, that's four, great-grandparents, 8, 16, 32, 64. In 10 generations, that's over 4,000 people that it took just to get to you. I love that you're an entrepreneurial hippie, too, by the way,

which is the best. Which is the best? You're like an entrepreneurial new-ager. I mean, you have to be. I feel like in this moment to really survive and see the future, the ancient future. That's very powerful. Like moving from a culture of toxic individualism to a culture of belonging. To me, that's really where the juice of life exists.

Hey there, it's me, Rain Wilson, and I want to dig into the human experience. I want to have conversations about a spiritual revolution. Let's get deep with our favorite thinkers, friends, and entertainers about life, meaning, and idiocy. Welcome to the story. Soul Boom podcast. We'd love to hear from you on the topic of mental health. On the show, we've gotten a chance to talk to actors, comedians, artists, authors, thinkers, philosophers, theologians. But you know what? You guys are also artists and theologians and thinkers and feelers. We've gotten flooded with so many incredible, thoughtful comments. This is a chance to really highlight what you're going through,

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You can send in video. You can send in audio. You can write out your question, concern, issue. thoughts, send it to us. We'll address these directly on a very special episode, targeting spiritual tools for mental health. Thanks so much. Rada, it's so nice to meet you. It's so great to be here, Rain. I've been doing the deep dive on everything you've been up to. It's really amazing. Thank you. And we were just talking before we were rolling about, you know, on Soul Boom, we've had theologians, we've had big thinkers, we've had psychologists,

and certainly are a lot of stand-up comics who I love to bring on the show because they are so vulnerable and honest talking about mental health struggles, and they're funny. But we've never had like an entrepreneur who is tackling our biggest societal issues head on by using like startup kind of idea,

you know, technology and meetups and the marketplace to help tackle these things. So I just wanted to say, welcome to Soul Boom. And I'd love to hear, I haven't met an Indian, Japanese person, Canadian before. So I'd love to hear a little bit about your background and how that background has influenced the work that you're doing. Yeah, I mean, being, you know, sushi, curry, Canadian bacon, you know, has, I would say it really influenced my life. I mean, first of all, you know, just the cultural differences between an Indian man and a Japanese woman.

You know, when you think about in the film business, it's like I think of a yellow filter, busy, noisy, you know, Indian streets, dusty, you know, wild. Whereas like the Japanese community, it's like a blue filter, quiet, stoic, no words exchanged, bowing. And the two together, you know, sort of, I think I was confused for a long time. But I know, you know, jokes aside, you know, just such rich cultures, both having met in Canada and Montreal. Three of the kindest cultures on the planet, too. So sweet. Well, it's true. It's just true.

Good peeps. What can I tell you? No, but, you know, I would say, you know, they are all about community. They're all about sort of the collective Indian culture, Japanese culture. The elders live with the kids. You know, everybody lives together. there's a level of respect amongst, you know, sort of the ecosystem, the community there that I feel like I have, you know, really learned foundationally from that experience.

Yeah. But so much more to say. I mean, it's just like, my dad's Indian accent. What is going on today? And my mom's like, oh, hello, you know, how are you? And just the playfulness of the two together. Can you throw in a Canadian accent in there at least? Oh, I'm so sorry.

There you go. Out and about today. And French Canadian, too. Well, if you wanted me to speak with my French accent, I mean, that is where it gets really secede. You are so DEI. You are so canceled right now. I mean, what do you mean? I'm all these things, so I guess I could say it. You have addressed societal problems like loneliness and belonging and finding community

and gathering and connection through your various startups and ideas. How did this kind of cross-cultural pollination influence, that. What did you learn about the need for connection or how did you feel alienated from your background in such a way that made you long for connection to help you, you know, spark these incredible ideas that you've put into the world? I mean, I think my parents were always of the mindset, you know, create, don't complain, right? Being immigrants having come to this country. And we know what's happening immigration wise right now, you know, it's really intense. But I think they've always instilled in us this sense of duty and the sense of when you come somewhere, yeah, don't complain.

Just create the world that you want to see. So for them coming to Canada and falling in love with each other and then basically renouncing their whole family, they were supposed to go back after a year. And my dad was arranged marriage, you know, was supposed to be arranged marriage to a woman. But my mom fell in love and decided to stay in Canada without any support, without any friends or family. And so just experiencing their courage to belong in a completely different world and build it for themselves in a way that was so welcoming. And my house was always a Grand Central Station. You know, we always had the Indian functions and the Japanese parties.

And my house was always that place where people were welcomed. And, you know, a lot of kids my age, or just kids growing up, they didn't have that in their homes where their parents didn't let them have friends over. My house was always like that place where you gathered. And, you know, I think I felt a lot of loneliness and othering as well just from not knowing who, you know, sort of what community is I belonged to at the same time. Let's go to Daybreaker because a lot of people may not have heard of it. We heard about it early on in SoulPancake. And we're like, oh my God, this is like what we've wanted to do with SoulPancake, the previous company to Soul Boom. You know, we want to have, you know, meetups and dances and bringing people together.

It was really inspiring to us, but tell us how that came about. Well, I just want to first all say that while maybe you were like, wow, we love Daybreaker, I was also in deep admiration of SoulPancake. And I also would say to my team, because we were 12 years old, I would say, guys, like, if we were to make a content channel, if you were to make a Daybreaker studios, I would want to be just like SoulPancake. And so the work that you guys have done to uplift the planet has been very inspiring for me, too. That's great.

That's great to hear. But Daybreaker, yeah, you know, I think I was. I was 34. I was single. I just got out of an engagement. I was feeling lonely. I was working my ass off, building these companies. And I want to go dance. You know, for me, and I'll share yes for three stories at the end, but I'll share that that dance has saved me in so many ways. Dance is the most healing technology that exists in ancient healing technology. People, we've danced since the beginning of the human experience. And yet we relegate dance to wedding, you know, after hours. and a drunken substance-fueled experience rather than a deeply ancient healing practice of self-expression, celebration. And a connection to the divine. I've been reading this book called Way of the Bushman

and the Bushman, like the most ancient culture literally on the planet, they've been living the exact same way for like 20,000 years. It's crazy. But their dance ritual puts them in a hypnotic state that connects them to the divine. So dream, divine dance.

I'm not as woo-woo hippie as you. This is science back, though. This is not woo. Yeah, yeah. And neurologically, you're 100% right. Science, actually, there's all these new studies are going viral right now. They're talking about how dance is the number one intervention

to support depression and anxiety over any other exercise intervention, any other kind of nature. And dance, you just move. If you just move to the beat of the music in community, So the mirror neurons of seeing other people awkwardly move their bodies and giving you permission to move yours as well. It's awkward until it's not, right? It's awkward until you realize like, fuck, I'm living courageously out loud in an expressive expression that has proven through ancient times to be this healing technology.

And I really see it as that now. So date breaker. You get together with people at dawn. Yes. find locations and have like pre-work dance parties. Well, so that was before COVID, right? I would say that before COVID, you know, there's a much more of a hustle culture. So people would wake up at 6 a.m.

And go to our party and go to the office. But post-pandemic, actually, people work from home now. So, you know, to throw a party at sunrise, have them go then back home to work from home. Doesn't work actually as a logistical experience. So post-pandemic, we've had to actually evolve very much daybreaker in the sense that we now do most of our parties on weekends. that's sort of at 10 a.m. so you can sleep in a little bit. And then we do our more iconic locations like Top of the World Trade Center or the Museum Natural History in the dinosaur room or like any iconic location will do that at sunrise

because people will be willing to wake up at sunrise to go to these wild like in the museum, you know, night of the museum, morning at the museum type experiences. But to really continue building culture and building community, we've wanted to give everyday people who are working so hard post-pandemic particularly to give them a time frame that actually supports them. So we're doing weekends like 10 to 1. Do you have a website? People can sign up these letters and stuff like that,

an app and online and the whole thing? Yeah, I mean, you go daybreaker. One question I had about Daybreaker is like, because I imagine this has been a challenge for you. How do you get janitors to participate and not just Brooklyn hipsters? Well, first of all, daybreakers for everyone. And for me, the first thing that I focused on

is intergenerational community. I think one of the reasons we experience this lack of or disconnection, you know, we call it loneliness, call it disconnection, whatever you want to call it, is because we are being so siloed through marketing, through business, through all these inputs into millennials, Gen X, Gen Z, baby boomers, whereas through time before the marketing industrial revolution, right, we all hung out together, we all slept together, we all party together, we all, you know, we all did everything together as a collective intergenerational community. And I think that's one of the reasons why we didn't feel as alone because we were able to mentor the young people and look up to the older people.

But now there's all this competition because it's all people around your age. So it's like, oh, you're, I get this all the time, like, oh, fuf, you're 45. Like, I thought you were 35. Like, I'm so glad that I'm not, you know, that I still got 10 years to catch up to you. And I'm just like, I didn't even know you were competing. Like, there's no competition, right? It's only, to me, you know, that's the big issue of our time is that we don't hang out intergenerationally. So Jane Goodall has been a daybreaker, right?

We've had, you know, we have, I, Solay, my daughter was in my belly, and, you know, we've had newborns to Jane Goodall coming, coming to our parties. And I'm really proud of that piece and also proud of the multicultural aspect because, you know, disco house, soulhouse, bunk house, deep house, it sort of takes from so. many different cultures and communities and genres of music. And so to bring that kind of, in many ways, international pop culture-e music together into one dance floor, it's an invitation to multicultural communities and an invitation to intergenerational community. So have we cracked the code of all classes? Yeah, all classes. Is there a daybreaker, Kansas? Or is it all San Francisco So we say that 3,500 emails unlocks your city. So any community member who wants to raise their hand and say we want to bring Daybreaker to your city,

after years of now launching Daybreaker in cities with only an email list of 300 people and that failing miserably, we've said, look, when we launch a city, you see how much sort of how much care I have. I give a shit. Absolutely. I really care about community. I care about the spiritual aspect of dance. I care about the healing technology. I care about belonging and care about serving the community as a whole.

And so when I throw parties, I don't think about how many tickets I'm selling. I don't think about, you know, it's a very, and also the event space, just to digress for a moment, is a very masculine, dominated space. It's all dudes that run events. It's all dudes that are promoters. It's all dudes that are the festival organizers. And I'm one of the few women, a few multicultural women who are doing this work, you know. And so it's important to me that we are also for everybody. So we do lots of scholarships.

We give away, you know, we have all kinds of nonprofits that we give free tickets to all the time, that have, you know, women and children who are undocumented, who are unfortunately at risk now, I might even say who and where, but we give them all kinds of tickets, and we give so many different communities tickets to come to our events. So scholarships always happen for us as well. But if you can afford, I mean, throwing up parties is not inexpensive anymore.

It's just to, you know, you're in the business of schlepping. You're in the business of, like, setting up speakers in the wildest spaces. I mean, we've thrown parties at the White House. We've thrown parties in the middle of, Central Park. We threw a party at the pyramids. We were the first dance party in 3,000 years, the government of Egypt let throw a party at the base of the pyramids. That's amazing. You know, we threw a party in Antarctica on the ice. We threw a piano concerto on the ice in Antarctica with a silent disco headset so we didn't disturb the penguins. But we, you know,

when I think about experience design, when I think about community architecture, you know, we think about all of these things and socioeconomics are super important to me, which is why I also launched my nonprofit belong center. So we have all these belong circles, which are all free to go to. So, you know, my goal and my dream was to have kind of a menu of different things that people could go to IRL, right, in real life. That's not digital. I always view it as like when I was in my 20s and 30s, like life was just this chaotic mess and I was struggling and I was kind of flailing and making choices. And then reaching like my late 40s and into my 50s, it's kind of like when I look back at my life, like it all makes sense. It's like, it's laid out like this plan. It's like,

oh, of course I, of course I did this because I suffered this and I went through this and that informed this. And of course, I'm on this path because of X, Y, and Z psychological, either trauma or programming or what have you. And I think that's, maybe that's a trick of the human brain. Maybe that's a trick of consciousness. But were there any spiritual components to for sure your mom and dad from their cultural heritage or background of hinduism or shinto or anything like that and i don't necessarily mean faith or religion but like what kind of spiritual beliefs and infusions kind of went into this kind of cultural malange yeah obviously you know india is so filled with rich sort of spiritual practice you know rada my name rada is the goddess of love and she's

christina's lover we grew up going to hindu temple we grew up going to actually meet the polytheism of the Hindu culture, which is sort of there is a different God for different sort of philosophies, different spiritual needs. And I thought that was really interesting that there was a community of spiritual kind of humans that, I guess spiritual entities that were there to support different parts of your life. To me, that's really where the juice of life exists, right, at the intersection of kind of mind, body, soul, and at the intersection of depth and play. We were there in India, traveled all across it this last year,

got to meet the Dalai Lama, went to Rishikesh, an incredible adventure. But you had spoken about yoga in that way, but spirituality is just embedded in life. It's not a separate kind of go-to-temple situation. It has to do with movement and incense and ritual and the calendar and, you know, the movement of the sun and the moon and the stars

and community and collectivism. And like you were talking about yoga movement is at the center of that as well. That's right. You know, right now, exactly in this moment, there's something, a festival that happens like every 15 years called a Kumbamela, and it's happening right now in India.

There's hundreds of millions of people, literally hundreds of millions of people who are meeting by the three rivers, the Yamuna, the Ganga and the Saraswati River. There's these three rivers converge together. And hundreds of millions of people come to sort of pay homage and bathe in the Holy River together in the sort of festival celebratory format. And it's just an incredible spiritual place. And it's interesting. It's like, you know,

there's such an Indianophile kind of moment that's happening over the last, you know, 50 years for yoga and spirituality. So it's really cool to see the burgeoning, that growth happening here in the West as well. Yeah. We were driving down the highway in India in a little, Our little land. We did a lot of driving there. And then people were, like, working in the fields and doing various things. And then we saw, like, people were just, like, setting down their implements or setting down their, tying up their donkeys or sort of putting down their things. And people just started, like, walking.

Everywhere we're going, people were just, like, started walking in this certain direction. We said to our tour guide, like, what the hell? What's going on? And it's like, oh, it's the festival of, well, I forget what the festival is. And just like everyone knew, like at 2 o'clock on a Thursday afternoon, oh, it's time for the festival. And they just, time to go to the festival. And you would talk about that, you know, Japanese chalistinics. Could you imagine everyone in America having that?

Could you imagine everyone in America having, I mean, we certainly have holidays, but can you imagine everyone just setting down their work, their phone, stopping what they're doing? Because this sacred time is coming and they need to move together to go celebrate? That's really what I think. is the my raison d'etra, you know, why I'm here on this planet, I think also as an amalgam of these, you know, many different cultures, is to sort of redream this dream of the modern world, like moving from a culture of toxic individualism to a culture of belonging. And I think that's really, you know, that those two cultures are so deep. And, and, you know, there's a lot of loneliness in Japan, too, of course. It's like, it's a very lonely culture in India. It's actually the opposite.

that, you know, people, my family, there's three generations living at home together. We had Hassan Minaj on the show recently. He was talking about how you don't really have your own belongings in India. Like, it's not your bed. Like, it's everybody's bed. And your cousin's sleeping there and then they're on the floor and you're on the floor or you're going head to toe on the bed. It's just, it's like Jewish culture. Everything's shared.

Everyone's in your face. Everyone wants to know what's going on. You know, you're, I took me, I was 39, you know, 39, 40 when I got married. And so, you know, by then, you know, in Indian culture, it's like my parents would call me Christmas cake. Like, I'm, I'm past the due date, you know, like, essentially. And it's very, and it's just, yeah, it's an interesting, everyone just in your face, wants to know what's going on.

Nothing is yours. Your legacy is everything for the family on both sides. It's like, it's a very legacy-driven culture. But, yeah, moving to, I would say moving to America was very interesting because in Canada, you know, we call ourselves a mosaic of cultures, right? Like, there's sort of, people are proud to be Greek-Canadian and Italian-Canadian and Jewish-Canadian and French-Canadian, you know, and when I came to America, I think for me the lonely feeling was when I was in my dorm room at Cornell, you know, I would ask kids, you know, down the hall who looked kind of like me,

who look sort of Asian. And I was like, oh, you know, where are you from? And they're like, oh, I'm from, you know, Wisconsin. And I was like, cool, like, where are your parents from, you know? And they would say, you know, oh, from Korea, but I'm American, you know. And there was a sort of like minimizing of their heritage, of their lineage. And I remember feeling unmoored by that because there's a melting pot experience here in America, right? Like, you want to be American, like, you know. And I think the Canadian mentality is like, let's embrace all of the immigration, kind of the confluence of cultures that made Canada what it is. So I think that was one of the first things that I noticed sort of starkly when I moved here was people really wanted to move away

from where they were from. They didn't want to say they were Puerto Rican. They didn't want to say because of the stigma attached to the different types of cultures and the way they were seen. If you're Mexican, if you're Puerto Rican, if you're, you know, wherever you're from, it's like, you know, Japanese, Indian, you know, there's different stigmas attached to each these cultures. So in order not feel other, people would, people would say they're American. But I think inherently that leads to a sense of loneliness. It leads to lack of your soul not feeling fully, you know, sort of in that shine. I spent the last, you know, 20 years writing, building, creating communities.

And ultimately the community starts with yourself, right? You have to belong to yourself first. I sort of began to notice there's sort of a pattern of what are the things that make you belong to yourself? You know, what is the compass of belonging? When you feel rain, when you feel like you wake up in the morning, you're like, where do I belong? Who's my, you know, to myself, to the people around me, who am.

my friends, my real people, first you anchor in this compass. And so the north is spiritual realm, right? And, you know, in this country, religiosity is going down year over year, 15, 20 percent, year over year, right? And so there's this lack of spiritual connection. But actually spiritual realm takes you to a space of, oh, okay, I can relax here. There's like this lobe in your brain called the parietal lobe that begins to relax. And when it sort of knows that, okay, there's a higher consciousness here that's protecting us. and I can just relax in that knowing rather than have to do it all myself and go at life alone. So when you connect to the spiritual, I'm not religious necessarily, but when you connect to a

spiritual space, you begin to feel like, okay, I belong to this larger thing that's beyond just me. The south is the earth, the planet, right? I think we think of the earth today through the lens of carbon footprint and numbers and metrics. Like what are, what is, you know, what is just the different sort of numbers that we're looking at as it relates to, to the planet? Whereas when I think about the compass of belonging, when you, when you actually connect to the direction of Earth, and you recognize that we are all, you know, sort of mere particles, elements of the planet, then all of a sudden you don't

feel alone anymore. Like in indigenous cultures, there isn't a word for separate, right? There isn't a word for aloneness because you're always at one with the planet. So when we actually begin as humans, especially as Americans, to reconnect to sort of the elemental nature of what it means to be human, then of course we won't feel alone. In Japanese culture, there's something called you were talking about walking in nature and the poet. Well, there's a practice called Shinrudein Yoku. Do you know it? It's Japanese forest bathing. Oh yeah, yeah, forest bathing. Yeah, yeah, So, Shining Yoku, yeah. So during COVID, I guided thousands of our daybreaker community members online.

I would go to Central Park and film these streaming and yoke videos and just walk aimlessly in nature and then just share that with our community and just say, hey, this is a practice to share. But it also literal forest baiting, like rolling around in ferns. You got it. You know, for an hour to just be. seamlessly. Yeah, just like without a direction, like something, you're not hiking with a place to go. Your brain is off. You're just sensually.

connecting to the earth. That's right. And so that's the south, right? That's when you connect the sort of like that sensual connection to the planet, then you're like, oh, right, I don't, I don't feel other, I don't feel alone right now. And then the west is your lineage. So, you know, here's some math for you. In 10 generations, imagine if you close your eyes and you think of your mom and dad behind you, that's two, your grandparents behind them, that's four, great-grandparents, eight, 16, 32, 64, right? And it goes on in 10 generations, that's over 4,000 people that it took just to get to you. 4,000 people in just 10, imagine 20 generations.

It's an exponential, right, curve. So we are all actually connected in some way. Like you and I are probably ancestors from, you know, 50 generations ago or 100, who knows, right? And so when we actually just close our eyes and recognize that actually we are this miraculous moment of cells from thousands of. generations, thousands of humans coming in just 10 generations to make you, and you're at the top of this pyramid, right? All of a sudden, you're like, oh, right, I feel less on, I feel,

I don't feel unmoored anymore. I feel like I got a squad behind me, right? And so when I feel lonely or when I feel like, and I do too, even as a community builder, even as a mother, even as a partner, even as a friend, you know, it's an existential feeling. I feel loneliness, right? You just wake up sometimes and you're like, oh, like, no one understands me, no one gets me. Have you felt that way? Well, certainly I have, but I think loneliness is a tricky word because disconnected, alienated, fractured apart from, those are all aspects of loneliness. Do you what I mean? I relate more to those words. I relate more to like alienated and disconnected necessarily than like lonely. Because I think of lonely as like a feeling in the chest,

like a longing like, oh, I wish I had a friend. And it's not so much that as. It's not so much that as, as it is just kind of like, the world is chaotically exploding around me, and I feel disconnected from nature, friends, God, love, really seeing others. So, do you know what I mean? No, absolutely. I mean, part of that, I think this loneliness epidemic, me personally, I just have a little problem with the word loneliness, because I don't think it really encapsulates what, like, the kind of like disconnection and meaninglessness epidemic is what it really is.

So what's the word that kind of like intersects with all of those different? Yeah, sure. I mean, I think there's a distinction between alone and lonely, right? Alone, if you actually look at it and you kind of break down the word, alone is all one, right? Alone, all one. I love that you're an entrepreneurial hippie, too, by the way. Which is the best. Which is the best.

You're like an entrepreneurial new ageer. I mean, you have to be, I feel like in this moment to really survive and see the future, the ancient future. Right. It's like if you're trying to predict as an entrepreneur, what's going to happen in the future. I really believe that you have to take notes from the ancient. That is really, that's very powerful. And I agree 100%. And by the way, my mom, total hippie.

And I think the hippies were right. You know, I think, you know, they get made. made fun of a lot, and obviously you're not like a hippie, but the, I'm hippie. God is love. I have a farm upstate. We're all, we're all connected, like return to the earth, like so much about the hippie movement was like, you can make fun of, you know, petulie and not taking showers and haircuts and bare feet all you want, but philosophically, we need to get back to our, our hippie nature. And that is, and that's connection to the planet, right? So the west lineage and then East, I'll just share the last one.

Yeah, please. Is service. You know, here's a wild stat. You know, only around 10% of Americans volunteer one hour every year. So 90% of Americans don't volunteer even one hour every year. And it's just hard to stomach that because I think we're all already so overworked. And, you know, the number of working hours are going up. The number of time spent with friends is going down.

you know, there's all of these things that are pushing us to work harder, have less time, and have less time to serve. And now, you know, we all know that studies have shown, many studies have shown that, you know, when you're in service of others, you're now no longer in the shirt of your own head, your own life. And you get to be sort of in that space of just the psychological benefits. Exactly. Of service.

Are huge. Right. So you don't feel, again, you feel more belonging. So if you don't want to do service for others, do it for yourself, literally. And that's the compass of belonging. And to your point, you know, I have a problem with the word loneliness as well. But I think that because the world, government, health care, they want to hear the negative side of things to be able to heal it rather than what's the opportunity for the positive. And that's really, I talk about the compass of belonging.

I don't call it the compass of loneliness. It's a compass of belonging. I'm with you. I think the word loneliness is sort of the word that everybody used to get the grant money from, you know. It's like if I use the word, if I say the word lonely in my grant application, I will get the grant. If I use the word culture of belonging or building a more socially connected community, there's less of this sort of polarizing, it's less kind of black and white, whereas loneliness is sort of black and white.

And so I've unfortunately have had to use that word, even if in all of my mandates a daybreaker belongs in all the work that I do, I always look at the world from a place of positive and opportunity and optimism. And how can we actually make things better, not just attach to the things that are wrong. So that's a big part of being entrepreneur too, right? It's like what's the promise of a better future? And that's really why. And I call myself I'm a social entrepreneur, right? It's like an entrepreneur to solve societal issues. Right. And do good and do well. Right. It's like, you know, I think it's like if you do good work in the world and you do well financially, then win, win, everyone's winning. Absolutely. First of all, I want to go back over those four directions.

So north is a spiritual connection. About it. South is connection to earth and to nature. West is your connection to your ancestry, your heritage, the generations that have backed you up. And, of course, in indigenous faiths, you know, ancestors and connection to ancestors and legacy of ancestors is so important. It's everything that we've, another thing we're disconnected from in modern society. And you've asked the wisdom down to. lineage in indigenousity. There's no writing. There's no words. You make the potions. You make the

things. You teach it. Generation generation. Yeah. So we carry the codes. And then East is service to others, which I'm so glad you're bringing into this because I do think, and I talk a lot about, and I've talked about it on the show, but I do think one of the failings of like new age philosophies is they're all about, hey, I want to feel more connected. I want to feel less fractured. And I want to feel I want to reduce my anxiety. And then it just stops there. But we do meditation. We do yoga.

We do practices that connect us to the divine and to each other and to our, to ourselves so that we can reduce the suffering of others. That's it. So that we can increase our compassion. And if hundreds of millions of people are suffering right now, then what is our small way that we can help reduce that suffering? But if it just ends with a reduction. of anxiety, then that becomes incredibly navel-gazy, and that is welcome to Los Angeles.

No, like, you just literally nailed, you know, yeah, nailed it on the head. It's like, I think we get stuck in personal development work, right? We get stuck in all of the coaching and the this and the that and the retreats and all the things when the purpose of that self-work is to better serve the world. And it's the better, it's what DiLama says. It's what sort of all of all the biggest teachers of the world have talked about. It's like we work on ourselves to better relate to other people, to better serve our fellow humans, our fellow planet. And I think we've forgotten that in this sort of, yeah, again, race to sort of the top alone, right?

This race to this toxic individualistic society that we're living in. And we're seeing that now at the top of the food chain, unfortunately. I had a truly profound experience recently, my wife and son and my son, and my sister-in-law and I got to go on a safari to Africa, which is I recommend for anyone. The Africans have taken care of nature in a way that we're not even remotely close to. The Serengeti National Park is bigger than the state of Connecticut. And it's one of like seven different national parks in Tanzania. But we got to drive through Oldavai Gorge, and that's where we know the oldest kind of human hominid

sapien, you know, species lived. And that's where, I forget the exact terminology, but it's something like the DNA ground zero that we're all connected to this one woman. Lucy. Lucy, and that there's a shared, like all DNA of all seven billion people on the planet can go do-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-gig-dig-dig-dig-d-degd-d-d-d-down to one person.

Now, that's not an actual person, but it's a theoretical person, but you're talking about generations of ancestors going back. and that we really are one human family and we emerge to this incredibly beautiful valley where there's wild species. You see why humanity was birthed there

because there's just zebras and wildebeests and leopards and elephants and all these incredible species in that area of the world that it's so powerful to see. It sounds simplistic, but it really hit, hard like this we all we all came from this valley and it's and it's gorgeous and here we are

on the verge of war again i mean it feels right now i heard i heard a pundit on on the news the other day say it feels like pre-world war one like what have we learned in a hundred years we're armed to the teeth there's alliances forming there's literal like trenches and walls and guns pointed at each other for no reason other than some ideological differences, and we can talk about authoritarianism, but that's a different story. But it feels like we're on the verge of war and we're so disconnected again from, you talk about our ancestors going back 10 generation. You know, what about going back a thousand generations to our one human ancestor? That's right. All this ladders down to how can you build a compassionate culture of humans, by the way, who are never meant to be master species.

Like we were never meant to be a master species. I mean, if you look at your sweet little monkeys here, it's like everybody's meant to live together. Everyone's meant to sort of be in symbiotic kind of co-creative, co-creative space. And yet we've emerged as master's species and we hold dominion over all the species. And we get to say whether we encroach in Serengety or not. You talk about, oh, the Africans have figured it out. But actually, we have decided or they have decided because of the tourism, you know, income to not encroach on that land. You know, so all of this is actually dominated by the human mandate rather than it be, you know, sort of sort of a collaborative kind of animal to animal, you know, animal to earth, you know, negotiation, frankly.

It's like how do we all negotiate the world together as a collective species rather than this like very, you know, sort of like master species? And we're going to, we're going to, you know, look at what's happening. It's like she's responding. You know, Gaia is responding with all kinds of crazy shit, with floods and fires and and crazy people at the top. It's just, it's like, it's biblical. It's like, it's biblical. We're in a, we're in a crossroads right now.

And the indigenous say and, and sort of all of the, you know, you talk about being woo-woo, but all of the, the, the, the, the, sort of the astrologers and all these, you know, kind of spiritual teachers talk about this moment being this ninth Pachacudi awakening, it's indigenous phrase, which is this moment right now, where to crossroads and consciousness where we move again from a culture of individuals and a culture of together. And it's a culture of how do we all and how do we all kind of co-create the next together? And there's just going to be a big spiritual awakening happening in these next, in these next sort of hundred years.

I feel like something that needs to be said here and it's something I've been thinking about a lot is I definitely believe that we are in a time of kind of toxic individuals. Like, you know, don't tread on me, every man for himself, doggy dog. The cowboy, riding on us in sunset. Yeah, yeah. The, if you go back 150, 200 years with a complete lack of individual choice, that's not such a great swing of the pendulum to go back to, you know, you didn't get to choose what religious faith.

You didn't get to choose who you would marry. You didn't get to choose Tim, you know, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would get hooked up with someone. Like the possibilities of kind of personal development were much more limited as in almost every culture in the world. You know, individual expression was frowned upon and punished. You would be ostracized and alienated for individual expression. So how do we find the balance of here you are in your red hat and your crazy ayahuasca dropping dance

party, woo-woo, friends that, you know, 200 years ago you would not get to experience or be a woman entrepreneur that started multi-million dollar companies. So I think there, again, it's a little bit of a pushback on like this toxic individualism, which again is very real, but I feel like the pendulum's swing in these ways where how do we find a balance between my individual path, but serving the collective need. You know, there's an expression in Japan, Japanese culture, that they say Harahachibum, which is like, eat till you're 80% full. Don't eat till you're 100% full, right? And I think that let's meet all of the wisdom of all these teachings in, you know, not in excess, right? In a way that how does it sort of, yeah, nothing in excess essentially is kind of the spirit of that

expression. And so yes, it's important to have identity and it's important to know your kind of unique kind of purpose for being here and what your contribution is as it relates to contribution, as it relates to service, right? And again, I think it gets back to the toxic individual piece of just what can I get out of it versus how can my success ultimately be for the greater whole. When I think about that expression of Harahachibuma, I think of this idea that, right, like, let's not, let's look at all of the wisdom that's available to us and then, you know, meet the individual needs, meet our, meet our, you know, I think of, of duty. I think of, you know, I'm, I'm the product of these two cultures and I'm here for a reason. You know, I came here to live out my own sort of my soul's, my soul's journey, my soul's past. And my expression of that soul's path is through problem solving, which in this case is through social entrepreneurship, is through, you know, creating products and services that people want or need, right? Is that selfish to be creating and not going to work for the man?

Maybe. I'm unemployable, I think, because I'm of all these cultures. Like, I always joke that I can't, I just, I'm unemployable. So I've had to start my own things and be that kind of entrepreneur because I am individualistic in that I love to go to beat of my own drums, but I'm going to be of my own drum in service of the greater whole. Yeah. I think that's a win-win, right?

That's a win-win, right? That's a win-win, so I'm winning because I get to be expressive. Personal fulfillment. Yes. And benefit, you get to make money for your family. Exactly. And enjoy nice trips. Yeah, I mean, and I came here with nothing.

I came here with a dream. I went to college. I got a scholarship to go to Cornell to play sports. and I am the product of the American dream. So I really do believe that I believe in this country. I believe in the individualistic kind of journey of working your ass off and putting your head down while picking your head up and making sure you go see your friends while you're putting your head down

because people forget to do that friend part. I think when they're in their head down piece and they end up having a lot of success with no one to celebrate it with. So I've learned early on in my career that to keep saying yes to seeing friends even in the hardest, most grueling times of hard work. So at the end when I sold my company thinks, my twin sister and I took 50 friends for all expense of paid vacation to Colombia, Cartagena, Colombia,

as our thank you for being part of our journey from the beginning and for supporting us in the moments where we were crying and just felt like we had no money left in the bank or, you know, things were falling apart. Oh, that's beautiful. And we had, you know, 50 friends, like throughout, you know, that period that really showed up for us. And we were able to.

Note to self. Yeah. Become friends with Rod. Yes. Yes. Honestly, that's one of my purposes for coming here today. It's because I know.

Free trips. So how do you move from daybreaker dance parties, which are really set up to build community? It's not. Through fun, through play, through dance, through party. Yes, yes. But it's not just to throw a party to make.

money it's it's it's these don't make money I mean let's be real this is not a this is not like things what did you see in daybreaker what did you feel like you needed that moved that to this belong center and please fill us in from the ground floor because I'm fascinated by an entrepreneurial take on addressing this disconnection crisis that we have in the modern world and tell us about belong center because that's really why I wanted to ask you here today because I was my jaw dropped when I heard about it I thought it was so beautiful and such a gorgeous realization of like, hey, let's, let's solve a problem. And here's a way to do that.

Yeah. And I think, you know, like the headlines can say like these startup entrepreneurs are trying to solve these problems. But it's like all of us, you know, whether you're nonprofit, whether you're an NGO, whatever you are, you're solving problems. There's so many ways. There's so many ways in to solve these problems. And truthfully, I was kind of anti-nonprofit for a long time because I always thought

it was a handout type experience. to beg for money all the time. And I didn't really see the value of it because I was like, I want to create value and have people support with an energy exchange, right? But then I began seeing actually, you know, to your point, the barista, the crossing guard walker, the, you know, the everyday person who might not have $50 to buy a ticket to a daybreaker or have the courage to ask for a scholarship, right? And so we said, okay, when I looked at all the issues, you know, especially post-pandemic,

especially since the surgeon general, everyone started talking about loneliness, I wrote a book about belonging, you know, back in 2017. So I was like, okay, this is the moment to really launch the nonprofit. This is the hot button issue of our time. I know how to do this. I've done this for, you know, my whole career. Let me now apply all of these entrepreneurial kind of ways. Learning.

Learning's kind of strategies into solving this biggest pandemic of our time, which is so near and dear to my heart as well. So the first thing, you know, when I think about solving a problem is not, just sort of, again, pointing out what's wrong, which I think is actually what most nonprofits do erroneously, I think. It's like, here's the problem. Here's the problem. It's well. And the problem. Versus let's find a solution that people want to magnetize towards. Right. And so it has to be culture based. And I'm a culture creator. Like I really believe in culture making. Daybreaker is is culture making. All of my projects, wow, it's now all of my trips to the edges of the world

our culture making. And Belong Center has to be the same. It can't just be like, this is what's wrong. We have to actually make culture with this nonprofit. So that was kind of the foundational difference, I would say, with which I'm approaching this particular problem, particularly in the loneliness space. What is it? What is Belong Center? Yeah. So Belong Center is a nonprofit whose mission is to build a culture belonging for people on the planet. And how we do that, we have five tempo projects that we've launched with, the first are these belong circles. So think about AA, right? You go to AA, but you've already have a problem. You've become an alcoholic, and now you want to go and deal with it and become sober. So that's, you know, and alcoholism and so many of these issues, and of course, there's so many

other reasons, but many of these ills that we experience as a species comes from, I don't belong, therefore I will harm myself or harm others. So the circles are meant to be a place that you go to before you begin harming yourself, right, or harming others by creating these circles all over the kind. We're now in 40 states, like in our first year. We're in 40 states. We're going to be in all 50 by the end of this year. Who comes to a belong center circle? So everyday people who hear about it and they want to make a change in their life. So typically loneliness happens or this sort of social disconnection happens when we are in a transition in our lives, when we are, you know, leaving our home for the first time and going to college and how to make friends. Or when I graduate

college, move to New City, when I get a job and start at a company somewhere where I don't know anybody, when I have a baby, when I get divorced, when I retire, when I change, you know, when I sell my sole pancake or when I do, you know, there's transitions in your life where you feel unmoored or you feel like you don't belong. And those are the moments that I feel like most people need this kind of support. They move to New York City. They don't know anybody. They move to Kansas City. They don't know anybody. They're going through a divorce. They're going through a breakup with a best friend. They're going through a breakup with a partner. But in actuality, the majority of Americans don't know their neighbors.

Exactly. You got it. That's another. And they only have like some work friends and maybe a handful of like church friends, although that's going down greatly. So even in just you live in Omaha, Nebraska, you can feel without any giant transition in your life, you can feel incredibly disconnected from your community. The other connection is like when you have kids, then you make friends with parents that have kids the same age. Those are like these de facto communities that spring up, but they're not based on a real longing to connect. And that's the thing. It's like we tend to fall into friendships. We tend to kind of by convenience. So their locker is next to mine. Their cubicle was next to mine. So I just became friends with. But why do I feel so lonely? Why am I calling

myself names? Like I'm an introvert because they exhaust me. So I need to go home. and energize, right? So there's all these labels we've given to ourselves because we believe that the community around us is all we've got, whereas we can actually make the invitation, believe it or not. We can actually go out and build a values, interest, and ability-aligned community.

I call it your via in my book. But it's like, how do we actually write down? This is what I did when I turned 30, and I was like, wait, I don't belong, let me write down, what are the qualities I'm looking for in a friend? What do I value today? What am I interested in exploring? What am I good at?

You know, as it relates to the community, am I good at cooking? Am I good at the trash? Am I good at gathering? Like, what am I good at? So, yeah, so belong center, or belong circles are really also there to teach you how to belong, how to make the invitation, how to get out there. And after the circles, go out and have the fortitude or the courage to go and knock on your neighbor's door or make a first invitation for a potluck, you know, for your hall, right?

And that's kind of one of the main reasons. We're also building a matchmaking service, friendship matchmaking service, so that anyone who comes to a belong center or belong circle will say, what are you looking for, what you care about? Where do you live? And based on all these things, and AI is very helpful for that too. We're building a master list of all the communities that exist in the world and in our country, particularly, to start with.

And then based on your values, your interests and your abilities, will match you with these community leaders and we'll connect you with them so you can begin this sort of participatory experience. Is there an agenda when you show up to a belonging circle? Is it like we open? with this thought, we have this share. What are some of those components? Yes, it's a 90-minute circle, and there's a open circle format where everyone sort of gathers

together. We open the circle. We share the intention for this month or this gathering. We invite, you know, anyone in the circle to share what they're moving through. And then we do breakout groups as well, so you get to know people more in depth. We have a somatic moment as well, so because I'm, of course, into semantics. So we have a breathwork. tell folks what semantics.

The somatic is. The somatic being in your body. So whether it's breath work, whether it's a movement piece, whether it's something that meditation, something that's like in your body, we invite that into the experience. Again, reconnecting your mind and your body because we are so disconnected. And then we close with a share and an open format kind of mixer where everyone gets to just hang out with each other. And every month is a different kind of theme that we introduced based on what's happened. the year. So for this month, it's love. So maybe we'll have sort of people who are, you know,

on their Galentine's moment or are single or who want to make, you know, find love, they'll come to a circle and maybe make a new, you know, a new friend or a new lover in that way. So every month has a different sort of. So it's a nonprofit to build community. You got it. Through these specific events and eventually into kind of friendship matchmaking. Yes. And that's one of the five, right? So then we have the Ablong Block Party challenge that we're launching this year as well. So we're going to be doing basically revitalizing the Block Party in America.

So Block Party used to be a thing that we all used to go to. Like you knew your neighbor, everyone would bring something to share. You have the fire hydrant that's like exploding with water, the jump rope, the bubble machine, the whole, can you see it very embarrassing?

Oh, sure, yeah. I was just reading an article of saying like the tailgate party has kind of become the new American town square. But that's filled with alcohol. It's fueled by drugs. It's fueled by just disc and more. I mean, yes, it's epic.

Like you tailgate. for a football game, you tailgate for. Of course, there's a lot of camaraderie that happens from there. But you don't necessarily mean, this doesn't necessarily mean you get to know your neighbor from that place.

You might drive to a stadium parking lot or something like that. Random Rams fan that you'll ever see again. Mickelope Light. You got it. Exactly. High five. But like we're building an entire

actually experienced design like a run of show for these block parties. They're not just you there to drink and then you move on, but they're actually built for connection. They're built to get to a neighbor. We'll invite him to bring a salt shaker to give to your neighbor, you know, like we used to do when you're, you know, running out of salt, you knock your neighbor's door.

And what are some of the other pillars of? So we have also, we just launched a yellow circular bench program. So yellow, we call it the belong benches. So instead of linear benches that just face forward in parks, we design these circular yellow benches. We call them the belong bench. When you sit there, you're forced to make eye contact. We have a QR code at the end of the bench. When you QR code it, there's like 20 questions to make a new friend, 20 questions to fall in love, 20 questions.

to rupture and repair, you know, all kinds of programming that are on the QR code. So when you're sitting on this bench, you have all this programming attached to it. There's musical playlists from, you know, from Daybreaker that we're putting on the bench as well. So if you're feeling lonely or you feeling like you want more connection, you listen to this playlist and makes you feel connected or YouTube videos that you can maybe watch, you know, from Soul pancake, you know, all around making a new friend and then giving you the courage to then turn your phone off and sitting across from someone and striking up a conversation. So the belong benches are going these bright, circular yellow bench.

You'll see them popping up all over the country now. We already have like 25 sponsored. So if anyone wants to sponsor it, please, please let us know. And then we have two other tempoles. We're doing a big study with UC Berkeley in the Greater Good Science Center right now on the science of collective dance. And basically with Dr. Dr. Dr. Keltner,

who's the founder of the Greater Good Science Center, he runs the podcast, The Science of Happiness. He's like Pixar's main consultant for Inside Out and Soul and all these big pigs are movies. He's like the happiness guy. So he's my partner on this study. And we're basically studying the effects of sober social dance on our sense of belonging. And with the goal of doctors prescribing social dance, again, right now you can measure meditation. You can measure, you can measure nature walks, you can measure yoga. But dance has always been this red-headed stepchild that you couldn't really measure because it's so specific to each person's experience. But we've figured out a way now through like different sort of pre and post surveys and all kinds of different cheek swabbing and different ways to really understand what's happening to you, what's happening inside of you, what's happening, you know, emotionally for you so that we could begin, again, having doctors prescribed social, sober dance as an antidote for depression, anxiety, loneliness, and isolation, which is obvious, but like it needs to be measured to be, you know, prescribed, unfortunately.

One of the things that I've noticed about this kind of loneliness epidemic and disconnection crisis is that I feel like maybe this is me being the grumpy old man. But I feel like people's conversation and listening skills have really degraded over the last 20 years. And I notice when I'm out in social situations, I get talked at a lot. There seems to be like a certain skill set that has gotten lost about like when you meet someone, how do you connect with this? them. What do you say? You say, like, where are you from? What do you do? And then, oftentimes, then you launch into like, you're from Topeka, Kansas. Well, I think the Midwest, well, and you kind of hold forth and lecture. And then the other person is waiting until you've stopped talking so that they can start talking. But there isn't really like a dialogue and a dance

and a listening and response that's respectful and curious. Like, how can we be deeply curious about the other person's soul to witness them, see them? And this doesn't need to be like, ooey-gooey, like let's look in each other's eyes and, you know, have this trippy experience. It's just, it's the golden rule. It's what do we like? You know, we like people to listen to us, to see us, to try and understand us. So there's, you know, it's a kind of a two-way street. Have you noticed this skill set has frayed over the last decades?

You know, I think one of the, when I think of, you know, if you want to make friends, when I give someone advice for how to make friends and how to just like make a friend for life is just ask them questions and let them talk about themselves. And then at the end of the conversation, they'll say, oh my God, I loved our conversation. Let's exchange numbers and stay friends because they've enjoyed sharing about themselves and you've listened with so much grace and curiosity that they feel so good that someone's hearing them and listening to them, that they want to be your friend.

And it's sort of a cheat way to do it because in the end you have to eventually educate them. That can be a drain and exhausting. Yeah, of course. Because one of the things that I've noticed is that sometimes I'll meet someone in some circumstance and then we'll go out to lunch or we'll have a coffee or something like that.

And then I'll tabulate in my head how much time did they spend talking? Like, if we were together for 52 minutes, and this is for you, the listener, the viewer, like, if you go out to coffee with someone for 45 minutes, tabulate how much time you spent talking. And if you were talking like over 30 minutes of that 45 minute time,

something is wrong with you. And you have some kind of profound insensitivity to reading the room, Because I'm astonished sometimes where meeting after meeting after meeting, I'm talking less than a quarter of the time. And I don't, I have no ego around it. I don't need to talk 50% of the time. But at the same time, it's like, I like, people, they don't realize that they have just

been holding forth for 80% of the time that we were together. And I'll go one step further from that. Americans, on average, touch each other's in a conversation, zero to one times in a conversation. Okay. And Spaniards, Latin cultures, they touch each other 100 plus times in a conversation. There's just like not just the currency of the voice, but there's the currency of touch and energetic exchange. Yeah. Right?

That goes beyond, which is why I always say the five senses are the most important. But yes, on one, it's like, it's speaking is one piece. And then touching and being in full sensory listening is another piece. Like, right now we're in the same room together. I get to smell you. I mean, you know, you know. Hello. Come on.

I get to, I get to, I get to, you know, it's probably me. But, you know, I get to, you know, enjoy just like all of the human sensorial experience of being in shared space with you. I get to, you know, meet all the folds of your. of your shirt and I get to meet, you know, just every detail of who you are. Feeling really self-conscious right now. So what is this next phase? Yes, you heard it first here.

But we are announcing the social connection core, which is like the peace core for social connection. And anybody can sign up. And essentially, instead of sort of doing hours of work, researching on where you can serve, where you can support, you can sign up very quickly on Belongcenter.org on our app. You can download the app very soon on the app store to begin basically doing all these social connection. We call them rascals, random acts of social connection and love. So you can sign up and do rascals with your family, with your kids, with your friends,

with your school. We're doing social connection days with schools with corporate company. We have corporations, organizations who want to organize these days of social connection. but essentially the core will be, we're calling in the yellow jackets. So we have these beautiful yellow jackets that we're in the end, finishing up the designs for right now. So you wear yellow jackets with giant smiley face on the back, social connection core. And we're going to go out and do random acts of social connection and love rascals.

And so we're going to do things like, you know, buy coffee. I want to be a rascal. Honestly, like I honestly feel it's. You do a rascal commercial for free, by the way. I love that. Sign me up. Great. I'm going to go hug people in a yellow jacket and hide.

did and high-five them. Let's do it. Hey, hell he is. Yeah. But basically, yeah, things like buying a coffee for someone behind you in line and just like filming it and just, you know, like, okay, here's a rascal, you know, or, you know, running up to someone's doorstep and having baked them banana bread, you know, for your neighbors and just knocking in the doors or just putting little, you know, notes of love

on public benches or walking up in coffee shops and striking up, like, just sort of like, come talk to me signs or sidewalk, chalking, you know, all the things that make you amazing. Basically, we're coming up with hundreds of different sort of interactive tasks to connect with strangers to build a culture of social connection, not one buried in your phone walking to your next meeting. By the way, we're here in Manhattan because I'm working in New York. New York has completely changed since, because when I left New York, there were no cell phones, okay? I left New York in the year 2000. Come to Brooklyn. Come to Brooklyn. And everyone is walking down the street like this. And people,

are bumping into each. They're lacking spatial and social awareness because everyone has their face buried in their phone walking through one of the most beautiful, magnificent cities in human history. I know. And that's also heartbreaking. Sorry, I know I go on a lot of these tangents because we have so much in common. But so folks can go to belongcenter.org. Yes. And sign up, get on the mailing list, find out about all this. And follow you on socials. What is it? Yes. We're at Belong Center on Instagram and at D-Y-B-R-K-R, so Daybreaker, no vowels, and no S. So, daybreaker.com. Daybreaker.com.

Yeah. Rada, thanks so much for coming on the show. This is really inspiring and I love what you're doing. And let us know if our tiny little soul boom community can support you in any way, shape, or form. We would love to invite your soul boom community to come out and do rascals with us and be rascals. I want to be a rascally rascal. My wife calls me a rascally rascal. Does she? Oh, my God, perfect.

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