Soul Boom - Angela Kinsey & Rainn Wilson Go Deep! (That's What She Said)

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

Angela Kinsey (The Office, Office Ladies) & Rainn Wilson reunite years after The Office to explore some of life’s biggest questions. The two talk about the recent deaths in their lives and how grief can breed gratitude. They also discuss finding true happiness, the power of mindfulness, and achieving a balanced work-life. Angela shares her unique insights on gratitude's role in personal success and the secrets to maintaining long-lasting friendships. Rainn and Angela also look back on their time on The Office and ponder what Dwight and Angela might be up to today at Schrute Farms, Dunder Mifflin and Beyond! If you or someone you know is struggling, please seek help immediately. Help is available 24/7. CALL 988 Thank you to our sponsors! Waking Up app (1st month free!): https://wakingup.com/soulboom Fetzer Institute: https://fetzer.org/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Look, I got a new fancy watch. It looks very nice. I got like a fancy man watch. Is that expensive? It was moderately expensive. Do you know Brian Baumgartner has a huge watch collection? This, I don't doubt. The man rolls like, he like is lush, you know?

That's why he's all up in the cameo all the time. He's got to pay for his watch collection. Dave Kekner told me one time he said, when the sun comes up, I am spinning money. See, he has a big family. Yeah, he's got like five kids. Yeah. Brian's only got two, but he's got an enormous watch collection and needs some tend. He has some habits. But do you know how big watch culture is online? Because I just wanted to look up something about this watch that I got. And now, because of the algorithm, like on my YouTube channel, I'm just getting all these watch. Watch. Watch reviews and like people pulling out the $50,000 bling Rolex.

It's me and hummingbirds. That's it. There's this guy in the Pacific Northwest in Oregon. He's like the hummingbird guy. do like time lapse kind of cameras and slow-mo. Yes, and they're like... Did you see the documentary? Anything with otters, it's just like, oh my God. They're so cute. Stinky, though. Have you ever been up close with an otter?

I haven't been up close with an otter. I have fed an otter. That's what she said. That doesn't quite work. It didn't quite work. What's it? Where on her body is the otter? It's just a euphemism for like a stinky, hairy part of the body.

What? Ray Wilson. Not that. Ray. No. The piece. penis, not the vagina. God, woman, get your mind out of the gutter.

Oh, Lordy. So tell me, they stink in person? Well, they just love a lot of smelly foods. Right. Abolones. They kind of come up and they take it and they love it. Kelp. They eat it.

Yeah. It's like flamingos. Have you ever gone and seen some flamingos? There's a lot of scat. There's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot of poop. They're pink and they're gorgeous. Gorgeous.

Ginko. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that is a problem. We have two pigs, as you know. I do. Snorty and Amy. Yeah.

And guess what? They don't smell. Because pigs don't smell. They don't smell. They like to roll in mud. True. But you can just hug them and snuggle them and pet their bellies. And there's some dirt there, but no smell.

And they're clean. I mean, it's weird. Other than the mud on them, they're clean. Do you know what I mean? Like they pee in the corner. They don't smell. And they're very like... They're tidy.

They're tidy. They're tidy. Right. They're so adorable. You don't eat bacon anymore, right? Didn't you say you stopped? I thought you told me you got attached to your pigs and you stopped eating bacon. I did tell you that.

So Angela... Hey there. It's me, Rain Wilson. And I want to dig into the human experience. I want to have conversations about a spiritual revolution. Let's get to. deep with our favorite thinkers, friends, and entertainers about life, meaning, and idiocy. Welcome to the Soul Boom podcast.

Thanks for coming on the Soul Boom podcast, Angela Kinsey. Thanks for having me, Rain Wilson. God, did I meet you 20 years ago almost? Almost. Oh, God, really? Yeah. Yeah. We started filming the pilot in January of 2004.

That was a long time ago. By the time this comes out, it will be 20 years. years. It's weird to interview someone you've known so long, right? 20 years. Our friendship is older than some people watching. That's pathetic. Yeah. Yeah. We're old. But this is a different kind of conversation and a different kind of podcast. I'm hoping to get to know a different part of you and to help share that with the folks. Okay. But when we were talking the other day about like we have so many things in common. It's almost crazy like going down the list one of them is you and i both lived in foreign countries as a child

that's right that's crazy we we both have a ringworm story so i didn't have ringworm i just had i had intestinal worms that came out of my butthole when i took the right the appropriate medication yes as i wrote about in the bassoon king yes and they would occasionally come out in my underpants squirming around when I was a child. Did you know this? Did I tell you this? One time one came out and then I plucked it out of my underwear. You reached under.

Didn't you feel it? Yes. And I was about four years old and I held it up and it was white. Oh. It was as white and pale as you can possibly imagine. It was like Jim Gaffigan level. Ew. And then.

I mean, sorry. That's so great. And then. I just did you the handle Jim Gaffigin. It was. And then I threw it down. And then we were living in Nicaragua, and my stepmom was like, kill it, kill it. And these kids came out with a shovel and they were stabbing the worm.

And she was like, don't touch it. It's dirty. Susio. But like Mwetite. They were like kill it. And, uh, um, that happened. Isn't it funny how that turns up? Did it turn for you?

Did you have a moment where you were like, ew, that's gross. And then when they went out it, you're like, okay, maybe not. You should take it easy on them? That used to be a part of my body. What do you do? He lived in my intestine for months. Let's move on. Let's go back.

What foreign country did you live in? I lived in Indonesia. And my sister got a tapeworm. I did not. A tapeworm. You didn't get any worms? I didn't get any worms. Okay.

Did you have any strange diseases? I also had amoebic dysentery. Top that. I didn't. Okay. I can't top it. Indonesia's next to Malaysia and the Philippines down there, right? Yeah, it's near Singapore, Australia.

Right. What island were you on? or city or town. I was in Jakarta. Okay. It's the island of Java. Okay. And do you speak any Indonesian?

I said I've forgotten a lot. So, now I'm bejada with tamant, the man, right now I'm talking to my friend. How many years did you live in Indonesia?

12 years. Dooblast. Can you say... Probably not. Whatever you're going to say. Help, there's an elephant in my kitchen. Somebody get me a waffle iron. No.

So you can't say that? I can't say that. I forgot. Can you say hello? My name is Angela. Apakabar. Okay. No mania say.

Angela. Okay. Well done. Well done. But I've forgotten the word for elephant. But what do you remember about this Texan family, Texan oil family? Yeah. Your dad worked in the oil industry and went over.

Louisiana and Texas. To go get oil out of Indonesia. Yeah. He was a drilling engineer. and he was transferred there in the 70s. It was very small expac community at that time. Most of my friends were from all over the world. And it was magical.

I look back on it now with such fond memories. I think about all of it. And it plays out so vividly in my mind. Were there monkeys? Yes. And here's the thing. We had like field trips, you know? Yeah.

So like my school had a field trip, but we went to an orangutan sanctuary. Oh. But orangetang is Orang Hutan, which Orang is person, and Hutan is forest. It's like person of the forest. Wow. Forest person. Like Creed.

Yeah. Like Creed. Like Creed. And I, you know, whatever, it, I feel like the places that we went to, we would go out to the Thousand Islands, Kapulansaribu. Is that where they came up with the salad dressing? That's so American. That must be where my dressings. from. Yes. I'm American. I'm American. Yes. In Indonesia, they were like, let's find a dressing.

No, it's just, it's a, you know, thousands of islands, by the way. It is with a little bit of pickle. No. I don't know. That's like special sauce. Yeah, that is, that's like a Burger King sauce or something like that. Sorry, I keep interrupting you. No. It's fun. And you know, I love you. I love it. So what other memories of Indonesia? The islands, the thousand islands. Okay. You're of salad dressing islands. We would go out there all the time. I remember waking up hearing a noise and went out and there was, the trash can was made of wood. It went like this. It had a little wood lid.

And there was a Komodo dragon coming out of it. Oh, cool. Like taking our trash. Komoto dragon eating your garbage. Yes. That's amazing. I remember we got, I feel like so many of my memories are animals, you know, but I was a kid. There was noise in the ceiling and there was a mongoose in the ceiling.

A mongoose in the ceiling. My parents were trying to teach me the value of a dollar, so I would get an allowance in rupee. Okay. And they would make me convert that to U.S. dollars and see how far my money would go. And they came home one day and my mom heard this like really loud noise. And I saved up my rupee and I bought two batuck parrots because this man was walking by and he had parrots. So I used all my allowance and bought these parrots. And my mom had these.

little tiny buddry guards, what our Australian friends call them. I think they're like parakeets. Okay. She had a little atrium with all these buddry guards and we would sit and have breakfast and look at the buddry guards. And there was a little waterfall, trickle rock thing. They would wash themselves in. And I released the Botoc parrots into this little atrium. And there was devastation. Yeah. Who attacked who? Oh, the Botoc parrots. They killed all the little guys. And then they started taking the atrium apart, like, pulling it apart. Oh, my God. It was, yeah.

So when you live in tropical places, the animal life is much richer and much closer, right? Because we lived in Nicaragua. We had a pet sloth for a while. No. Yeah. And true story, sloths are really strong and very slow. So we would put it in its cage at night, close the cage. In the morning we would wake up, the cage bars had been pulled over.

and the sloth was nowhere to be found, but my dad would go and somewhere within a 30-foot radius, he would find it because it's not going away. He's trying to get away, really slow. And he would take the sloth and put it back in the cage and go, bend the, and just repeat over and over. It's like groundhog day with a sloth. But we had a monkey that came into the kitchen repeatedly

and would try and eat our sugar, and we had a parrot named Jose, and he only said Jose, Jose. Jose. Jose. And, yeah, and lizards everywhere, chocco block with lizards. Lizzards, yeah. Yeah.

I am, the first time I was on David Letterman, that was like such a big deal, you know? Like our show was pretty new and we haven't done a lot of talk shows. And the segment producer was like, we see you grew up in Indonesia. Do you have any stories about monkeys? I said, well, I have one story. And he was like, great, great. Dave's going to love this. So I was like prepared the beats of my story.

It was basically my friend Becky, who was from Canada. Her family had a duck. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I don't want your goddamn recycled David Letterman stories on this podcast. Wait. This is not what we're. You have to hear what he said though. Okay.

Because we always talk about like, oh, you get your beats of a story, right? And you're prepared. Yes. So Becky from Canada, her family, they adopted a one-arm. Gibbon monkey. Okay? They made a big that's a gibbon. This is horrible. Get it? That's a pun. That's a given.

They made this enclosed atrium by their breakfast table. It had trees. You could see the monkey. Filled with spider monkeys and that given ripped them apart. It was like devastated. So Becky was like, you got to come meet the monkeys.

I went in the cage. and I was sitting next to Becky and the monkey kind of started going through my hair you know and Becky thought that was funny and I hit her I was like stop laughing and the monkey went attack me because you did a slaparoo

and it came at me and it was like trying to bite me and I was like get it off me like I ran out and then that monkey hated me from then on from then on whenever I would go by the window if it was really upset it would swing by whatever upset it but I was one of the things it would swing by

and it would open its legs and it would just piss on the window. Like it would just be... When you came by, the monkey would piss in your general direction. It would swing by and piss at me. And I told that story... Like Creed Breton. Like Creed Broughton. And poor Creed, he's going to be like, hey.

So I told that story on Letterman, got a big laugh. And then it went quiet. And he goes, why did I have one arm? That was not in your prepared story beats. I think it swung on a power line. And the whole crowd went, ugh. And then you lost them. Then they hated you.

And I was like, oh, no. Animal cruelty. I know. We here at Soul Boom, you know, we're trying to dig into deep, beautiful, exquisite, wonderful, difficult, scintillating human conversations about being a human being. We have so much else in common. And I want to segue to. something else that we both have in common. And this is a very awkward segue, but I think it's important. Life is awkward. Awkward pauses fill the office. So let's go there. We both lost our

fathers. Mine was a little over three years ago. Yours was nine years ago. Right? And how is that affected you because I find for me like it's the first real deep palpable death that I've experienced. I've lost some friends along the way, but someone's so primal to me. And I know my father was just so important to me growing up and your father was it so incredibly important to you. What was that grief process like and what is it like today all these years later? Well, I think the thing is is that it just, it's just always with you. I feel like I carry my grief every day. And some days I can set it aside.

But it's sneaky. You know, some days I just will be somewhere. I was in the grocery store and I saw like something he liked, this cookie that he liked. I didn't even think they had him in California. And I just instantly just remembered this memory of him. And I got a little choke. up, you know, in the grocery store. It's just, that's how grief is. It's always there. Yeah.

It's always a part of you. Yeah. When he, um, it feels like a wave, doesn't it? Sometimes I experience it like just a wave. I was in my office not long ago and I was thinking about something. Maybe it was a photo like on the iPhone came up, you know, or something like something. And it triggered it. And I just started to cry and it was in my office and then my assistant came by it was just like it was like an office moment i was like and the assistant came by i with like some papers by my door and saw me and was like and i was like it's okay it's okay i'm just grieving my dead father yeah it is it's like that and sometimes and then a minute or two later it was it was gone yeah yeah i i remember having reactions to things you don't think you'll react to or have attachments to things to

things you didn't think you'd be attached to. My dad had helped me set up my daughter's bedroom. And I had gotten the little wooden block letters that spell out her name, Isabelle. And he had hung them for me. I remember we'd spent a lot of time, like, should it go like this or, you know, like that? And he hung them for me. And we were going to have her room painted. And years later, you know, she wanted older, wanted to update her room. And she wanted to take the letters off. She's a teenager now. Yeah. And I mean, out of nowhere, I was like, you care saying about her? Oh, God. I was like, my dad hung those. And, um, it, and then life goes on, you know, and you take the letters off and you, oh, but man, do I miss him? You know what? I miss so much.

I just, and it totally makes me teary whenever I think of it, but I miss his voice so much. he was the person I would call. He was my life hanker. But, you know, my mom, he had left the outgoing message on our home machine. They still have that big old honkin home machine. Yeah, with a cassette tape in it. Yeah, and she's never changed it. So sometimes when I miss him, I call and he answers the phone.

Yeah. But I'm so thankful. Like at the same time, you have this grief and then you have gratitude. You know, I think grief and gratitude really go hand in hand if you can just appreciate what you had in the time you had. Do we have a Kleenex anywhere? Sorry. We're going to talk about dead dads. Talk about my dad.

I'm going to need a roll of toilet paper. No, you're really fine. It's not a makeup thing. I just wanted to make sure that you've had. in case she felt like but don't leave that there it's in the shot weirdo hey everybody it's me rain the chapter in your book where you wrote about your dad and that was so powerful for me rain I was so thankful you shared it because I think a lot of times in grief sometimes you can feel alone in your grief but I just think when other people

share about it it can be really helpful um that's really beautiful I think the thing that moves me the most when I think about my dad. And it's something that I wasn't grateful for until he passed away. And that's where it gets a little difficult. I realized that my dad was the kind of guy. He always made every room he went into a better place. So any room he went into, he would go to the store. He would go to the coffee shop.

He'd go to the Trader Joe's. He would come to a Baha'i gathering or whatever. he would always be like, hey, how is everybody? How are you? So nice to see you. Oh, that looks really nice. He's always got a compliment, a joke, something uplifting. He never kind of came in and was like, you know, he never sucked energy from the room.

Always just like giving, giving. And that was his way. He did it very consciously to like as kind of service to bring joy in connection wherever he went. And it's something like when he passed. I was like, God, he always did. that. I don't always do that. Sometimes it's hard to believe I can be kind of a dick. And I realize, like, I want to emulate that about him. That's, I want to be that kind of person that. Right. When I go, people will be like, rain always like uplifted a room and brightened a room and

connected with people. Yeah. But yeah, I feel like grief is something that our culture doesn't do very well. This is why I wanted to bring this up with you, this topic. And it's not something we talk about or discuss. It's death is verboten. Oh, it's dark. It's depressing. We can't talk about it. But like you say, it goes hand in hand with gratitude.

And it goes hand in hand with life. So we appreciate life. You know, the reason that so many Native American traditions would say, today is a good day to die. It's because they weren't going to go die that day. We're on the field of battle necessarily. They were like, am I ready to die? Have I cleaned up my messes?

Am I in gratitude and thankfulness for this life that I have? So what have you learned about grief from your losses and the losses of your friends? Well, one of the biggest things I think I had to have compassion for is that everybody grieves differently. And even within my own family, I have three sisters. You know, we experienced loss with a few family members and not just my dad. My nephew passed away as well a year after my dad. And how I grieve and how you grieve is probably not the same, but we have to make space for each other because everyone processes it, crosses it differently. And I, at that time, I was very, I was like protective of my dad's memory.

Like I wanted to just like hold all. No, this is how, this is how he said that. And that's how he did this. And this is how, and we're not going to change this. We're not going to change. Like I was just like holding all of this desperately. And one of my sisters was more about kind of, let's, we can go through things and we can give things away.

And I was like, no, no, no, no, wait. you know um and she was doing her own grieving you know she was sorting through things and i don't know it's it's um it's taught me to have compassion in a way um because there might be someone in your family that sits there's quietly and then the person right next to you is a mess um but it doesn't mean that they're not feeling a deep river of sorrow and some people can feel kind of stuck in their grief right yeah you know yes and and you I know for me I've lost dear friends and like their spouses I feel like it's a year and a half later and they're not moving on and it's like but who knows how it's going to take as long as it's going to take you know I hope people get help and talk it out and

join a grief group and get support and yeah you have to fuel the feelings to let them out and that can be really hard like if you're if you're holding your feelings in check all the time it's going to stay longer as opposed to like the only way out is through well I also felt like my daughter was young and she kept connecting me to the now you know I kept wanting to be in the past I kept wanting to be like just holding on to these memories but then she'd be like I'm I need a snack I'm hungry um you know kind of like hey I'm here and um I'd been having a really hard time after his funeral and she turned me one day and she said, you know, Mama, it's really hard to have a sad mama. And I just was like, okay, it's, it's perfectly normal to have emotions and to show your emotions to your children and

grieve, but I've got to, I've got to now get on with living. My dad would want me to do that. I have people to care for. He loved caring for people. That was his love language was to take care of you. You know, if we went out on the farm and it was muddy, we mom would make us kick our shoes off by the back door when we'd come back through the door they'd be spotless he would have been out there cleaning all of our shoes wow yeah he was just a very like a love by action and doing and um so i was like it's time to get to doing things he would have wanted that you know one of the things i wanted to talk to you about today was family and uh because i was thinking about i come from much more of a broken family than you like multiple divorces

and remarriages and stuff like that. So in that sense, it's kind of a blended family that I currently have three step. I know I have a mom and two stepmoms. Okay. So, you know, my birth mother and then the stepmom that basically raised me. Right. And then the stepmom that was married to my dad when he passed. Right.

My dad's a widow. And I'm close with all of them. And it's interesting. Yeah. Rain had three mothers. That's your next book. That's my next book. my three moms.

That's our next sitcom. Hey, I get to be one of them. Hey. I'm a short mom. That's weird. No, wait. I can't be your mom. Younger than I am.

That's crazy. Wait. But you have a, I love your family so much. You have such a beautiful, but blended family and so many people have blended families. Yeah. What's that like? You know, I was completely done. I was done.

I was like, okay, I had a marriage. You had a marriage? You had a child. I had a child. I'm just going to, this is it, you know. And I think, you know, that's obviously when life surprises you and you meet someone. And you're like, wait, wait, I wasn't going to do this again. And so I had my daughter.

He had two sons. It was very kind of like the Brady bunch. And the kids just got along so well. They were just buddies. And I'm so thankful for it. I feel like Isabel and I, we had, you know, we had a home, but they made us a family. And it's that delightful chaos. It's running up and down the stairs and someone throwing the ball and, you know, like one of our many pets freaking out and running, darting this way.

And someone yelling, you took my sweatshirt. It's just, it's like all of that. I think that's what I always wanted. Yeah. I wanted all of that. The cacophony of a family. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'm really thankful what the boys brought out of my. daughter. Yeah. She and I is very funny when we all first started to live together. You know, we would play dolls. We would color. And then she was like, Mama, like one time she was like, should we wrestle? And I was like, yeah.

And we were just like, you know. And then Josh and the boys move in. And they play this game called Fist of Fury. They like made it up. And basically the boys just run at Josh, my husband, as hard as they can. and as they get to him, he just picks him up and he throws him on the couch. And they come in to him again, and he picks him up and throws him on the couch over and over. They love that.

So when they first started playing this, Aswell, was like, Mama, what they doing? And I was like, I don't know. I think this is wrestling. This is wrestling. And she was like, Josh, Josh, can I do it? Can I do it? And he was like, sure, Isabel. And she came at him.

And he said, I was so scared. He was like, oh, God. She was like this praying mantis. She was like, oh, my God. So we had all of these ways that our family blended together that were so fun and surprising. And, you know, I feel like family is, it's a safe space. It's a place where you have shared history. And when you're a blended family, you're creating a new history.

And that can be really fun. Expanding a vision of family, I think, is really important. And that means families can be different. The most difficult challenges we face in our lives can come from family, right? Right. Because you care about them. You're close. There's differences.

Familiarity breeds contempt. There's a lot of that going on. But we do need to kind of expand our view of family beyond the biological. And not just to people that are like us. Yeah. But, I mean, really, we're a human family. I'm sorry to sound like a hippie, but we are seven billion of us on this sharing the resources of this planet. I like the hippie side of you.

And it's very real. And family means you will sacrifice your love, time, attention, status, and comfort for the well-being of others. That's what we do for our family. And we have to expand that circle so that we're doing that for the poor, the dispossessed, the immigrant, the outsider, the unloved. And we are making an ever-expanding circle. That was beautiful. That was beautiful. That's why I have a podcast and you don't.

Good night, everybody. That's your mic drop. The mics are too expensive. Yeah, don't drop those mics. I wanted to bring up family with you as well because, and again, going back to this list of what we have in common, we have, I mean, the office cast, I really feel like is a family, was a family. DJ always says, office family forever. That's what he always says. And people say, you know, what do you miss about the office?

And obviously, well, I just miss that office family. I mean, the amount of love and camaraderie that we had on the set was astonishing in that little group. And it's still holding true 10 years later. Yeah. We still have a text thread. We've got a text thread. Office peeps. Office peeps.

Who named it? It's called office peeps. I don't know who started it. I know. Yeah. But we all check in. My favorite is when out of nowhere we get a text from Creed. Yeah.

Like, remember he made like a little Christmas song one time and he filmed himself and he was singing? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One time he sent me a picture of himself with a hairless cat.

No, no explanation. Yep. I just get random creed, random creed things. Yeah. That's fantastic. We're a family. We are a family. But the other fans.

that's been created out of this, our office fans too. Yeah. And that's been astonishing. I always tell this story. Like, we started the office. We weren't trying to, like, be of service to anyone or help assuage their mental health issues and their anxiety or create a community or bonds of love or, you know, a solace for people that, you know, they would watch episodes before they'd fall asleep or like Billy Eilish watch episodes from the moment they wake to the moment they're, they go. to sleep. Like we didn't, we didn't really, we just wanted to get a paycheck and pay off student loans and maybe buy a house or just be on a TV show. Yeah, I was so excited. I bought a Honda.

Remember I had that old Chevy Blazer and we were filming booze crews and I turned right and my front left tire went that way. Oh my gosh. I vaguely remember that. Yeah, but that's what we were thinking. We were like, oh my gosh, we got a job. But what's it especially for you because you've created yet another family with office ladies. I mean, you and Jenna met on the set. First season became like BFFs. Yeah. And immediately. And now you... You teased us all the time. Yes, I did. Yeah. And how did I tease you? Yeah. Tell the audience at home. Okay. So we would walk and we'd be talking. And as we walked by, rain would go, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click. God, I was such a dick. Can you tell the story about how I wouldn't say hello to the crew?

Oh, this is legend. This is Rain Wilson legend. So one day we're on set. It was like a Monday afternoon. And you had already done a lot of your like, hey, good morning. How is your weekend? Good morning. How is your weekend? And then you just turned to everyone. It was like 11 a.m. And someone must have said to you, hey, Rain, how's your weekend? And you're like, can we all just be done? Can we be done? Like, I'm fine on Monday morning. If you want to say good morning, great. you know but but and then how's your weekend okay but by Tuesday no you're not you can't ask me about my weekend anymore I'm done in fact maybe we just say good morning on Monday and then we don't have to say good morning the rest of the week you just have she just fractured and all this just came out of you and the and it was to the whole bullpen and everyone was like and the crew too yeah the crew I remember I'll never forget the look on dale's face Dale was like we're just said good morning you know like but Here's the deal, and people don't understand this.

Like, I'm a relatively private person. I like to be social occasionally, and I'm coming in and doing my work. And when you're on a set, there's like 50 crew members all around. There's air and makeup and transportation and security and props. It's a little over 100 people. Yeah. And there's accounting and there's, you know, camera department and electrics and grips, and the list goes on and on.

And so you come in, you know, and... Good morning. How's your weekend? Hey, hey, Bobby. Good morning. Hey, good, good. How was your weekend? Good. Hey, Cindy. Oh, good. Yep, really good. And it's like, goes on and on and on. And it's like, and then it's Tuesday. Morning, Rain. How was your evening last night? Would you? And you were just like, you were like, went home and I had dinner and I watched Lost and I went to sleep. How is your Cindy? And then two steps later. Hey, rain, catch up football game. And then it's Wednesday. And it's like, it's like Groundhog Day all over again. And it's like enough. Monday morning. Good morning. How was your weekend? You get one day, you said, you said one day where we exchange pleasantries. And then Tuesday through Friday, there's no more.

Silence. And it kind of worked. People did kind of. They backed off you. They backed off you. A little bit. I did get kind of a bad reputation for that. You did a little bit.

So I'm sorry. But anyways, you had BFFs with Jenna. That's wonderful. That's delightful. I'm a, hippo, hippie, beep, beep, beep. Oh, I know. My cat. My cat.

I think you actually said to you guys, you said to us. How'd you word it? You were like, how do you have anything left to talk about? It's so true. But you doing office ladies, is that what called office girls? Office ladies, you stop it. You know the name. You guys have created kind of another like many office, there's office lovers.

There's office ladies. There's office lovers who also are lovers of office ladies. And that's a really passionate community. Those people, they will die for you. They are so awesome. And they love the show and they love getting to know the cast and crew and behind the scenes stories. They've just been so wonderful. Jenna and I are humbled by it because we get to hang out.

We get to be best friends. We get to talk about this amazing chapter of our lives. And now we have this community. We just feel so fortunate. But again, going back to family, what an interesting phenomenon. It has been for me over the years. I mean, it started right away with the office, but especially like five years after we ended

when it was at the height of like the Netflix and all of a sudden you just had this other wave of popularity and people saying how much the office meant to them and their parents were getting a divorce, they were friend had cancer or the struggles and difficulties and they were, you know, they would watch the office and it would give them such hope and such

light in their hearts. And like I said, we didn't go in trying to build that. But what has that been like for you to kind of realize that we were a part of something that kind of made millions of people's lives better? Sorry to, I'm not trying to brag, but it's just true. Well, I mean. And we brought a little laughter. A little laughter, a little escape.

And we all talk about this as a cast that it is just wild to me. It really is. I never thought I would be part of something that big. I think of shows that brought my family together. You know, we don't have, what's it called, destination television anymore? Yeah. Where it's like, okay, everybody Thursday at 8 o'clock. If you don't watch it Thursday at 8, it's gone.

It's gone, yeah. Right? So everyone gathered around. But I feel like with people being able to rewatch the shows, their parents are showing the office to their kids. I have so many parents come up to me and say, you know, my kids are a teenager. We don't do that much together anymore because they kind of have their friends and their lives, but we watch the office together.

And I know you get that too. And I love that. I love the idea that we're a part of something that brings people together. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I mean, it's just not lost on me how rare that is. Here's my least favorite question. Well, whenever I do some kind of event, I always say, like, my favorite episode is the injury.

And I say why. Steve Corell is wonderful to work with. My favorite prank is when they took my desk into the bathroom. Like I knock off like the questions that everyone asks. But the other question that everyone asks is like, how are you like Dwight, you know, and what ways are you like Dwight? And it's just so dumb. It's like just look at some videos of me in life having conversations and then watch Dwight

and then see, you can see for yourself. Like you can. Have you ever said to like an audience of people, dumb questions? I'm going to do that. Next. I'm going to do that next time. I'm going to be like, you fucking idiot. Are you fucking kidding? No. Just watch the office and then watch an interview with me. You tell me. You tell me how my character. How am I like, I like, I'm, I'm living it from the inside. But I will, I do want to ask you this and I forgive me because I know that there's an annoying factor or quotient to this question. But you grew up Christian. Yes. and had a very kind of loving, wholesome relationship with the church, with prayer. My mom taught Sunday school. She still teaches a Tuesday ladies' Bible study. Oh, that's beautiful. And you kind of infamously, especially for the first, I don't know,

four years of the show were like the uptight Christian cat lady. I mean, that was literally labeled that by Roy. Yeah. So what was it like playing uptight Christian chick versus you having this very kind of like warm, meaningful relationship with your faith and your and your family. And was there, obviously, you're just playing a funny character and that added something to the ensemble that made her kind of memorable and prickly and interesting. Right. But did that ever bump up against you in any way?

Or did you have any kind of like frisson around that? Yeah, yeah. Actually, there were one or two times where there were one or two times where they were. there would be a joke written for her that I thought was just really stereotypical, maybe one note. And I like to think of her as a full, like, well-rounded person, you know. I do remember there was a particular storyline between Angela and Oscar, where Angela was being super judgy. And I never went up to Greg about any joke, but there was a joke at Oscar's expense. And I went up to Greg, and I was like, you know, I can't.

she sort of, I think Angela Martin invoked Jesus in the moment. And I just was like, I don't, I don't feel good about it. I don't feel good about that. Yeah. You know, I don't feel like that's what Jesus represented to me. And he was like, okay. And he heard me and he took the joke out. And the episode, it was gay witch hunt, had so many already.

Yeah. You know? Mm-hmm. But that's the one pivotal moment I remember being like, okay. this is feeling like a stereotype and very one note. And I feel like she has more depth than that. I mean, spirituality is one of the topics we're going to be diving into on Soul Boom. As you know, it's a, it's a topic and an issue I feel is under-discussed, under-excavated.

People have like, they hear spirituality like, because they either think church or they think like woo-woo crystals and incense. Yeah. So it's hard to kind of unpack on a deeper level. What does your faith mean to you? What was that like growing up with your mom? I know prayer was very important in your family. Yeah. Prayer is still important in my family.

My mom gets up every morning and reads scripture and prays and praise over her family. That's something I grew up very familiar with. It was part of my life. You know, we said grace at dinner time. We used to go around the table. and my siblings and I, my dad made up this thing that if we went like that, we didn't have to say grace. So you put your thumb. And if you put your thumb on the table, you didn't have to say it. So you'd be looking for the one person who wasn't paying attention, you know. So basically,

you just see a bunch of kids like this. Like, you know. But anyway, so just prayer has always been there. And by the way, why do we only say grace around meals? Why do we only give thanks at meal time? Yeah. I want to say grace right now. Okay. Oh, I would love that. Okay.

I'm going to say grace. Lord, we are grateful for the opportunity to have this podcast. I want to thank Mike and Kartik and the whole gang helping produce it, these beautiful microphones and this wonderful set that was created for Soul Boom. And one of my very first guests, I'm one of my favorite people on the planet, Angela Kinsey, for having this. conversation, none of this could happen without the bounty and wonder and majesty of the universe that has brought us together in this moment to have this exact conversation, which I hope inspires people and upslifts them. And I'm just so thankful to be a part of this whole situation. Thank you, God. Amen. I like it. First time Grace has been said for a podcast. That we know of.

That's true. Right. It's probably a lot of. There's many podcasts out there. There's many podcasts that are like, Let us pray. Rain, we pray. Let this podcast. We start every podcast in prayer. I would say my prayer for you would just be that God go before you, that your steps are ordered, that God bless you.

And God knows your heart and you have a heart for service. Thank you. That's very sweet. You're welcome. Did you teach your kids to pray? I, you know, I pray a lot with my daughter. I think we've just done that from the beginning. Yeah. My husband is not as religious.

Okay. But I will say a prayer over all of us. You know, I'll be like, especially, you know, before we go on a big trip, I'm like, all right, guys. And it's just newer to my husband and his sons, but they know that about me. Yeah. And. And, hey, he married a Texan. He married. What does that have to do again?

Well, come on. There are some people in Texas right now that are like, no rain. No. I am. There's no atheists in Texas. Sure there are. They're electrocuted. They are not.

That's horrible. That is horrible. Yeah. But I'm definitely between my husband and I, I'm the more religious person. Got it. Yeah. So one of the things the office family has done and people talk about so much is how much, what a positive impact it's made on their mental health and how much

it's helped their anxiety and depression and loneliness. And they do feel like the office cast is like their family. Have you encountered mental health struggles either with yourself or in your family? Well, I mean, my nephew that passed away a year after my dad, he just, we lost him to depression and he just kind of got into a dark place he couldn't come out of. And I think about all the things I missed, all the signs I missed all the time. And I want to make sure with my kids that they feel very comfortable talking to me and especially with our sons, just having real open dialogue and open communication and an open acceptance. about emotions and dark emotions. Yes, and also about mental health. And I am very thankful. I feel like

our community of parents and at the school, it's very accepting to talk about your mental health now. And I know that's not everywhere, but I feel like our little nook where we live, people talk about it very openly. And kids are much more open to say if they've had issues with anxiety or depression. and I'm thankful for that for this generation. I hope that continues, that level of just dialogue and normalizing the fact that, you know, we all struggle with different things. And when you struggle with something, you want to get the tools that help you cope and help you deal with that.

And whatever those tools are, that shouldn't be anything you should be ashamed of. If you needed any kind of help with anything else, you know, if you needed a math tutor or someone to help you, like if you made the basketball team, you need someone to help you work on your basketball skills. But you're talking about really releasing that stigma around mental health, that that is something you can and should get help with. Absolutely. And that we kind of all at certain points in our lives are going to need help with. And by the way, for viewers, listeners right there, if this is, if this is triggering, talking about suicide at all, if this is something you're thinking about, there's lots of help out there. And we're putting a suicide text

line right here, chat line, phone number, reach out and get some help and get some counseling around it. Speaking of suicide and mental health, I think one of the biggest issues around it is that people feel like what they're feeling, that they're the only person feeling that way. Yes. And everyone is going about their, they go out in the world, everyone's cheery and going about their lives. You look on social media. Everyone's like looking sexy at the beach and and, you know, curating their best and shiniest moments from their lives. And you have to understand. And I, because I've, as you know, been speaking about mental health stuff a lot recently

in my own struggles and ups and downs. And people are so grateful because I think they're, you know, to hear that, oh, a celebrity, a wildly handsome celebrity like myself would be struggling, you know, with anxiety or depression, a loneliness or addiction or any of these issues are like, oh, I can relate. I think that means a lot. So it's super important to reach out and get help and understand that you are, you really are not alone.

You might feel alone like you're the only person in this black pit that is feeling this way. Trust me, there are millions that are feeling that way. Find a way to connect and understand that. People have felt this way. They've gotten through it. They've gone through it and gone through to the other side and gotten, like you said, tools to help them.

get out of it. Yes. I think that's so important. I think the thing, especially as we're getting older, because we are, Rain, you're getting older. You're getting older. We haven't done anything yet. Are we going to do stuff? No, but as we get older, I just grow a beard over my job. Well, it's coming for me, I'm sure. I'm going to grow a beard. I'm going to grow a beard. But as we get older, I just find it so important. that people understand that not only are they not alone, but that other people want to see them. You know, people want to be seen,

but to know that people want to see them. They want to help. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was talking to Arthur Brooks, the happiness expert and whatnot, and he was talking about like, get off your phones, phone detox, social media detox,

look in people's eyes, touch, conversation, hug, high five in the room. It's so important to just humans thrive with dopamine and oxytocin released in the brain through real connection, not the connection of a heart and a like and a thumbs up on the social media, which you are on way too much because you're constantly liking all my wife's posts. I'm not on it that much, but I love your wife's posts. I love, first of all, she's just so cool.

She's just, she's really cool And she's smart and she's funny Yeah And she travels and is well read And she's a great writer And I just, I just dig her And now she's doing kung fu She's studying kung fu

She can totally She practices with a sword in the driveway She's gonna kick your ass She's not in the driveway with a sword She's doing like She's gonna totally kick your ass Crouching Tiger Kill Dragon

Kill Bill Crouching Tiger Kill Bill You idiot You're idiot Rain by the way Always calls my children Hey idiots They love it

They can't get enough of it He's like what's up idiots They're like Right Rain's funny They are a little slow They are not It's okay

It's okay to be You stop it What about the old therapy You've been on therapy rodeo You can talk to me If you ever need someone to talk to Really? Yeah.

$3.25 an hour. $325? My therapist is $3.50. I'm giving you like a 10% discount. I'd be a great therapist, only it would be pretty weird. People would be like, oh, you guys. Dwight is my therapist? No, dude, my friend went to a therapist and he's like, my therapist used to be the drummer for Devo.

No. Yeah. Come on. I'm serious. Crack that whip. Break your mama's back. That guy is a therapist, apparently. No.

If I'm getting the instrument right, it may have been the bassist. I don't know. But someone from Devo is a therapist. I would totally go be a therapist, but that would be really weird for people to be like, dude, Dwight is my therapist. Also, he doesn't like to say good morning. And he won't say hi to me when I come in. He doesn't want to hear about my weekend.

He doesn't really want to hear about my life. And he has a pet monkey with one arm. Callback. This is called Calling Back. She comes from the world of improv. I do. I do. What do you think Dwight and Angela's family looks like? Speaking of family, a little Philip, like how many kids do we have at this point, 10 years later? What is going on at Shrewd farms with us? I know everyone asks this question. What do you think? Let's figure this out.

I mean, listen, they started having kids a little later in life. How many kids do we have? I feel like they've got like five. At least. Right? Minimum. Yeah. Because they need. He just put her to work to breed and sewed his seed. They need people to work the farm. Yeah. Yes. Straight up. Straight up. Free labor. Free labor. Um, I like to think. That would be a great montage. It's like seven kids all working the farm. Like the one year old is, I don't know, like picking something. Yeah, yeah. The two year old is this and the three year old is breaking. Yeah. Five year old is driving a tractor. You know, it just goes on and on. Um, I think, uh, I mean, I think they're happy. I do. Yeah.

I feel like Dwight is still running the business center at the business park. And I feel like Ancelo runs the farm. I do. Yeah. I think Dwight doesn't work as a paper salesman or Dundlema. Mifflin anymore, but I think the landlord kind of thing. That's what I think. Maybe he owns half of Scranton.

I feel like he's bought up things. He keeps seeing like, like so he owns the business park. And he's bought maybe he probably owns the sign that says electric city. They have to charge him when they turn it on. I think he probably started like, had bought like the laser tag Emporium and some stuff like that or like a paintball range. You know what? I bet there's Shrewt escape rooms. Oh my God.

There's a Shrewd escape rooms. Yes. Moes works there. Moes works at the escape room dressed in his fear thing. Yes. Like a scythe. Exactly. Blood coming out of this.

And it. Yeah. And what if there are escape rooms that are unsolvable? Exactly. Exactly. There's like, then they end up on a true crime podcast. Oh my God. Maybe Angela has a true crime podcast, trying to solve the murder of Lackawanna County or something. I don't know. The Scranton Strangler? The Scranton Strangler podcast. That's it. Toby hosts it. Oh, my God. That's perfect. And he keeps having guests on that all think he's the Strangler. Like, isn't that a little bit to. convenient that Toby Flanderson is.

I think Dwight and Angela homeschool. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Maybe they hire someone from the office, Creed, to teach the children. Could you think Dwight would hire Creed? He's cheap. He's five bucks an hour. He's available.

And he gives him a shed to live in. Yeah, exactly. He'll teach the kids. All right, kids. Today we're going to learn about the Ramones. He's like got his guitar. I like to think of it though. It makes me happy. When people ask me what do you think Dwight and Angela are up to? Because I mean, I know you get that question. I don't know. That one always makes me happy. Angela Kinsey, thanks for coming on Soul Boom. Thanks for having. I love you so much. Do we do it all? Do we get your list? No, but this is great. All right, buddy. I love you. I love you too.

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