Soul Boom - Bobby Lee: Can You Go Beyond the Comedy?

Episode Date: May 7, 2024

Comedian and actor Bobby Lee (Tigerbelly & Bad Friends podcasts) joins Rainn Wilson for a profound conversation exploring spirituality, redemption, and the intricacies of human emotion. Bobby shares candidly about his personal struggles with addiction, the impact of significant life events on his sobriety, and his journey towards spiritual and emotional healing. Bobby discusses the false spiritual experience that performing onstage can often give him. The two delve into how different encounters with certain individuals throughout life can be transformative, offering both Bobby and listeners insights into the power of connection and recovery. This discussion not only highlights the challenges faced by those in the public eye but also illuminates the universal struggles and triumphs that resonate with us all. Thank you to our sponsors! Waking Up app (1st month free!): https://wakingup.com/soulboom Fetzer Institute: https://fetzer.org/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The guy who was just here, Jeff Cobur, is an actor and meditator, and he worked with Lauren Dumbrausky. I love her. She died. She died. She saved my life. And he used to ride horses with her every week while she had cancer. Don't even. And he said he met you several times, and then are we rolling?

This is how it's. You start with death? I usually lead off with death. I don't know. Open with that. Okay. Hey there. It's me, Rain Wilson.

And I want to dig into the human experience. I want to have conversations about a spiritual revolution. Let's get deep with our favorite thinkers, friends, and entertainers about life, meaning, and idiocy. Welcome to the Soul Boom podcast. Let's go back a little bit. So when I was on that... Do you always shout three inches from your microphone? You have done more podcasts than any human being...

But you're like, you're like, here's the deal. Here's a story. Okay, okay. I'm going to be, you know what? I know where I'm at. I'm going to look at my environment and there's a spiritual podcast. So I'm going to do namaste. I'll namaste.

Namaste, right here with you. Oh, come on. Okay, no. So I, um, I got, I was using drugs. You can talk to me. Yeah. I was using drugs in, uh, when I was on mad. Okay.

Well, I relapsed. I had 13 years of sobriety and I relapsed when I got on the show. Mad TV. Yeah. So for two years, I was completely loaded, and they fired me because of the drug use. And so then... What drugs? Vigodin.

Mainly and then alcohol, weed, stuff like that. But I was saying like 30, 40 vikins a day. It was really bad. Anyway, and then they fired me, and so I started going to A meeting at summer, and she saw me at a meeting, and she got me back on the show. And her husband, Marco, was sponsoring me. So I knew her as a sober person. I love both. She saved my life, though.

She and Marco at that time. Yeah, it was very, you know, sometimes you go in life and you go through life and you just meet certain people. Yeah. And they're just available to you. And they're a godsent. And, you know, those were my people at that time. I've had many of those experiences.

That is so intense, you're on a, you're on a, you're on a, comedy show, big hit comedy show, and the showrunner producer like dies? Isn't that? Is that terrible? No, she wasn't the showrunner, but she was like one of the execs. And she, Dick Blasucci was the showrunner and she had cancer. And then, you know, while she was going through the chemo, she was around, obviously. So you're making comedy in the, in the face of death. What was that like? It was horrible. It was fucking, it was horrible. In fact, yeah, I just, six months ago, I played Boston and Lauren's sister

came to the show, they're twins. So every time I see her, I see Lauren and it's really hard. Lynn, Lynn Nebraska. Wow. Yeah, and she came backstage and we hung up, but every time I look at her, I want to shed a tear because I miss Lauren so much, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. This is, can I, may I say something? Yeah. No. I've never seen you like this before. What does that mean? really calm. Well, I, you know, I approached you because for a number of reasons, but you talk about recovery. You talk about mental health a lot. Like so many people in Hollywood, unlike so many people in Hollywood, you're not afraid to kind of go there around the fact that you have, there's a spiritual

component to kind of who you are and what you do and what's saved your life. And I guess that's There's one thing that I've always struggled with is like, I mean, I'm really just an actor. Like I went to acting school and I did theater and I play characters and I happened to play this one called Dwight that really took off. But I don't just do, I'm not a stand-up and I don't just do comedic characters. But I've got into this comedy world. But then in talking more about spiritual topics and philosophical topics and psychology and deep probing life's big questions and stuff like,

that the comedy world was kind of like, gone, you know, what the hell is this, the weirdo from the office talking about this stuff. Yeah, yeah. And they just don't know how to,

and they literally just don't know how to process it. And then someone like me, like unabashedly talking about like, I believe in God. And let's talk about God and let's talk about death. And people get kind of freaked out sometimes. It's a different landscape now in the last two, three years,

especially with the advent of all the podcasts that you're on and all the great stuff that, that people are doing Theo Vaughn and Bert will, Christi sure will talk about this stuff and Neil Brennan. There are some people that are unafraid to, to dig in. But has that been weird for you is my question? Like being in the comedy world and then also talking about mental health and spiritual topics. I've never been afraid to tell anybody that I'm sober.

I've never been afraid to talk about spiritual things. I mean, I started my own meeting here in LA, you know what I mean, to help. and I'm extremely vocal about it. You have to be a comic? You have to be funny at least to get into the meeting? No, there's just regular people there. There's accountants too?

Yeah, there's some accounts. Okay. Yeah, yeah. It'd be funny if there's a 12-set meeting. It's like, you have to like tell a joke to get in. And someone's like, it's like, it's like... The person I started with was like another comic and she was like, we should just make this all comics.

And I go, no, because then it's like, it doesn't open room for newcomers. And new people is what, you know, keeps 12-step groups alive, I think. And it's like, well, I know. And so, you know, ultimately it's just not really about me. It's about being a tool for God and helping other people. I mean, it's so cheesy to say it when I hear it.

And I say it out loud. But it's like, it's the only time, because, you know, I'm just so, like, consumed with self a lot of times. And it's like I, and that's when I'm the most miserable. I'm so fucking miserable. When I read comments about myself online and I dwell in that space, it's like a hell. Yeah. And the only way to feel happy is either if I call my sponsor, sometimes I'll listen to a little rom-doss, and it'll go to my therapy.

But it's mainly, you know, going to meetings and just kind of going, shaking a newcomer's hand and going, what can I do to help, you know? But it's, you know, I want to be cool. I want to be sexy. I want to be all those things. but it's like, none of that shit makes me happy. And it's, I'm 52 years old. And, you know, I've chased this thing,

my dream for a very long time, and I've been consumed with the cell for so long. I just can't live like that anymore. So I just kind of say it now. I don't care. Yeah. And that's where I've gotten to, too. I, like, I just say it,

and I don't give a five. And people think I'm weird or some kind of weird born again something or other or whatever it's it's fine you could just think just think of me as you will I don't care I've always been a misfit I've never fit in and if I don't fit in to the fucked up comedy world of Los Angeles so be it yeah but you do fit in God bless you do fit in God bless us everyone yeah yeah what is it about being of service to someone else that works in conjunction with in sobriety.

I think it's twofold. Number one, I mean, just by thinking about somebody else, you get out of yourself, that's like the basic thing. And then it's also, I do feel like I'm being used as a tool. I'm not a Christian, dude. I'm not really into Western religions, but I say God. But I feel like I'm being a service to humanity or God or whatnot. You know, there have been times where I've like driven to people's houses,

Because my friend Brian jumped out of my car because we're going to an A meeting and he jumped out on Highland because he didn't want to. And that was like going like 30 miles per hour. Like he did not want to go. But eventually I got him to go and he got it. He has like 18 years of sobriety now. So it's like every once in a while, you know, you do those things and you feel like you made a change in somebody's life. Yeah. And did something better for the world.

I don't know what comedy and my antics do for the world. I think I make people happy, I guess, by doing comedy and stuff. But it's like, it's still a self-serving thing, I think. Well, doesn't that say in the AA big book, selfishness, self-centeredness, that must be the root of our problem. Yeah. So flexing the muscle of welcoming a newcomer or being of service, taking a service commitment at a meeting.

Yeah. Like helping any kind of altruism. Yeah. Yeah. But I was supposed to tell, like, young comics. like young comics that are like sober and stuff, who haven't made it yet. And I always say to them,

I go, success and doing well on stage and all those things can feel spiritual. But it's false. It's not real. You know? I remember the first, when I was,

so I got sober when I was 17 and then when I was 23, I had six years of sobriety. And I was very active in the program. And, you know, I spoke at this men, not men's meeting, a mixed meeting, but it was Saturday night. And it was this gigantic speaker meeting in La Jolla.

And I spoke, I killed when I spoke. And then somebody came out to me and goes, you should I do it in comedy. And so maybe a month later, I did comedy. And maybe a couple. So you owe your comedy career literally to the 12-step program. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I owe it, yeah. But what happened was once I got a laugh from an audience, I stopped going to meetings.

because it felt like some sort something was filling that void you know and all of a sudden like I was like ah so it was a false prophet it was a false prophet yeah yeah and I always warn young guys go I know it feels yeah you know I mean and it's gonna because it's dopamine hits but I know like I've worked with guys that are in the rock and roll industry yeah and it's the same thing right So you can have a fake spiritual experience on stage performing because you're like, you know, and like you're getting all this adulation and that adulation is filling your, your God-shaped whole, right? Yeah.

And but then there is, if you can just make a slight adjustment to like, I do it for you, I'm going to rock your world and fill you with just with love and joy and music. and dancing and whatever. Yeah. Like, and you can shift. Then it is a spiritual experience. And also, and also, Bobby, I want to push back a little bit because,

listen, what's happening? No, because I think you're right, so I'm just kind of. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Pull it all the, pull it all the way down. I'm back. What made you choose that particular color of nail?

Why did you go with white? It's like a translucent white. It's oyster. Show the camera. Why? You know, why did you choose that? Why not? Because it gets different, it depends on my mood.

Okay. Why that one? Yeah. Look at my feet. You need a, you need a website for feet, Bobby Lee feet. When you Google Bobby Lee, Bobby Lee feet is like the second thing that comes up. But the thing I'm pushing back on is you had a, from what I hear, you had a real fucked up childhood. And there was a lot of trauma.

Uh huh. And you're abusing. alcohol and other things, and then you stumble into a meeting, and then you're talking about 17, going to 12 staff. Well, you tell you how it happened. Well, but hold on, just let me,

I want to hear the story, but I'm just, I'm just painting the bullet points is that then you transform your trauma into humor and you bring joy to people's lives. You're doing sketch shows. You're on sitcoms and you're making people laugh. And you are, you, there really is kind of almost no greater service than making people laugh. And you have made millions laugh over the years.

And so isn't there God in that? Maybe for, it depends. I mean, I mean, in terms of the rock star and now, a thing you said earlier, my goal was never that. It was like it's, when I perform, and maybe it's changed over the years, but I used to perform like it was a battle. Like it was me versus the audience. You know what I mean? And sometimes the audience wins. But tonight I'm gonna win. You know what I mean? So it was never about like, I'm gonna please you. It was more like I'm gonna beat you. You mean? And I would beat them by getting laughs. Uh-huh. You know what I mean? And I think the same things goes with when I got a movie.

But that's when you're starting out, but now you go somewhere. I know, because I've seen footage, you go somewhere and they're like, you have them from the get-go. You don't have to win anyone over. There's no battle going on. It's fake. They like me already. Yeah. Yeah.

There's nothing wrong with that. You've been working 30 years and they love you. You're right. There is something about like when you're younger. I remember like when I first played The Laugh Factory, I had to follow like Martin Lawrence and Chris Rock and they were like big stars. And they're big now. But I remember Jamie Masado going.

I was like, what the, I just moved here. You know what I? I can't follow these guys. It's like, you've got to learn. And the challenge of that was always exciting to me. And then I remember doing okay and going, yeah, you know what I mean? And okay is a victory. It's a victory.

Especially when you're young and with those guys, it was fucking a victory. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I guess now I do do it for them because I do love my fans specifically. Because they're, you know, I've had some tough times and they've stuck by me. And I just really love every single one of them. So I do it for them. But, you know, I still need to be at service for outside of show business for me to feel happiness. Like, sometimes I'll still listen to like, when I go to sleep, the four agreements or, you know, any Deepak Chopra thing or, you know, Power of Now.

Yeah, for me, Eckhart Tolle, audiobook, I was going through one of the hardest times in my life. It was 2010. There was like, shit was bad. And I would just listen to Eckartouli, like, you are on your. You are not your thoughts. You can just breathe and you are in the present. And his little weird kind of Hobbit troll Austrian accent, it was like immediately transported me.

So I get that. Well, that was the first time I learned about the observer. Yeah. And that changed a lot. I mean, that changed a lot. Tell us about your experience of the observer. How does that work for you? Well, I never even thought about it until I listened to Power of Now.

And I try to kind of go, is that real? And then I try to, and then just when I said, is that real? Something was observing me say that. You know what I mean? And I kind of explored that. I still explore it today. But I really do believe that my thoughts aren't who I am.

You know? And so that thing that's watching it all happen and observing it is who I am. So it's like, my brain is going to do all kinds of fucking things, especially I'm a kid of deep trauma. You know, so it's like when I go into a restaurant, I'm going to tell you something crazy. So this is how poorly I used to treat myself because of my trauma, okay? One time I auditioned for this Amy Poehler,

she was producing some show. And I prepared. And I walked into the audition. And I just, I don't know what happened. I just, there were so many people in the room and I completely lost. I just got in my head. I couldn't remember the lines.

And then I got nervous. So I went to the car and I took a bottle of water like this big. One of those smart waters completely filled. I smashed my head over it until I was bleeding through my face. I would punish myself, you know what I mean? For just something that my dad would do, maybe.

You know what I mean? And so after that experience, I really had to do a lot of like, because that seeped into all my life, even doing stand-up. If I had a bad show, I would punish myself. Wow. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So it's like I had to like turn to Eckartal and these things. and just go and really just take a minute, right? Not react, right? Even if I'm like in a conversation with somebody, just step back, five, ten minutes and observe my thoughts, right? And get grounded, you know?

And I had to learn all that because if I didn't do that, I'd probably kill myself. You know what I mean? Not call myself, but I would hurt myself and I would treat myself poorly. And I'm not, I don't want to allow myself to do that anymore. You know, I just, I know, I don't say something so cheesy, but maybe six months ago.

I had a tough last year, really tough. So many bad things happened. And after I got through all that, I was in the bathtub, taking a bath, and I was rubbing my body with soap. So cheesy. And I said to myself, I'm so proud of you. And I weeped in that bathtub. you know, because I'm, I'm really trying. You parented yourself in a way that your parents

did and couldn't. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, my mom, they did the best they could. I mean, they went through their own trauma. They were kids during the Korean War. They saw death. You mean, they didn't have any parenting, you know.

And my, you know, then my parents come to Korea. And my dad beats my mom, beats the kids, me and my brother. And, you know, my mom has a missing tooth, you know what I mean? because he punched it out and you witness all that stuff. And later in life, you find out that, you know, it's just generational trauma. Yeah. He did what he could. You know what I mean?

And his dad probably beat the shit out of him. Right. Yeah. But I mean, I don't know. You have kids? I'm one teenage son. Wow. Yeah.

I don't have any kids. But if I do have them, I feel like I'll change. It'll be different. That's so much about what parenting is about is if you're conscious at all, my wife and I would have these conversations about what do we give Walter that we didn't get? One of the things that, I mean, there's a lot I didn't get growing up. I didn't get my tooth knocked out, but still had some issues. But one of the things I didn't get is I decided to share with Walter my struggles and my failures.

So I would be like, hey, Walter, sit down. Even he's like 10 years old. I'm like, I just want you to know something. like I auditioned for this thing. I thought I was going to get it. I was told I had it and I didn't get it. And I thought I was going to have six months of work and now I don't have it. I'm really, really, really disappointed.

I'm really sad about it. I just wanted to share that with you. And I'll say, you know, I'm struggling with this and like, you know, writing my book, hey, dad, how's your book going? It's going really, really hard. I sat there all day and looked at my computer screen all fucking day and I'm really upset about it. So to share. So he sees me as a human being with real struggles

and not kind of like, son, you gotta pull yourself up and you gotta do, blah, blah, blah, and all of that stuff. But you know, hugs, you know, unconditional love. Like there's so many ways. I'll send my son, he's a teenager. I'll just send him like, I love you, I love you, heart, heart, kissy, kissy, you know, huge emoji texts, like all the time because I'm like, and I do love him,

but it's also like, he needs to see a grown man sending heart and angel and kissy-kissy emojis all day long. It's a, you know, to have a different idea of what a man is and what a man could be. And you should 100% have kids before it's too late. You're almost in AARP territory. What's AARP? American Association, a retired person. You're right, you're right.

Although I did a show with Tom Arnold the other day and he had his two kids with him. And he had him at 56 and he's a single. little dad. And he's, and they seem to be. Did he him like with a surrogate or something? No, no, no. Yeah, with a woman that, um, that's no longer in their lives. Okay. I don't know the specifics of their, you know, but, um, and they're, you know, their kids are like whispering things into his ear and they're giggling and have, and I, and I said, I said, to Tom, I go, how old were you when you had he said, he was 56? And he goes, I'm 65 now. And, um, you know, it's the best decision

ever made, you know what I mean? So it's like, he's going to be 87 going to their soccer police. I know, I know, I know, but still, you know what I mean. And their graduation, he didn't have been to Walker. Is this your grandpa? No, it's great. It's all good. It's all good.

But look at this. It's all good. Maybe he wasn't ready to have kids till then. Steve Martin did it later. Yeah. You know, Theo Vaughn's dad was, what, in the 70s when he had, you know what I mean? And then like my ex-girlfriend, Kalilu who I have Tiger Belly with my podcast. Her dad was 60 when, you know what I mean?

She was born. And they turned out to be great. The Ovan and Kalila turned out to be great. They've had issues. They've had issues. They've had issues. But I mean, they're still. I'm teasing.

But they've still, they have made their mark on the world, you know, and, you know. I just want to say there's, I recognize that there's an entire segment of this audience that's watching that's going to watch this and be really judgey because they don't understand how comedians work. You know what I mean? Yeah. Sometimes you're in the world a little bit of spirituality and like you take the piss out of someone. They're like, that was so mean. Yeah. That was so insensitive.

But in comedy, like, we kind of, we fuck it with each other, right? Yeah, yeah, we do. And dude, you can see whatever you want about me. I've heard the worst. And also, you know, I was a little nervous doing your podcast because I know that your audience is different than the audiences I'm used to. Yeah. And so I'm just, you know, I'm always worried about how I'm going to be perceived. Yeah.

Because, you know, I just feel like I don't know much. You know. I think you know a lot. Oh, no, I don't, go ahead. I want to say one last thing because I don't want to forget. You're saying that I used humor to get all these things. And it's interesting because my therapist said, wow, you used the one defense mechanism that you had to survive. Yeah.

And you turn that into a living. And like I. Amen. Amen. I thought to myself, well, that's interesting. I, you know, I think I did that, do that. Yeah. I took the only thing I knew how to do.

and think if I like if that happened to me in Korea I probably would have never had a comedy career yeah they're doing stand up now yeah but like I started in the 90s you would have been a really funny assembly line worker like oh bobby or just like carrying rice being very funny you know what I mean but uh Arthur brooks bestselling author and happiness expert he talks about emotional caffeine so the way that caffeine works is you have this chemical that makes you tired.

And caffeine plugs into the brain so that that chemical can't go in. And it's blocking tiredness rather than giving you a stimulant necessarily. Wow, I never thought. I never knew that. So he said there's emotional caffeine. And he said for sadness, it's comedy. If you're telling a joke,

making someone laugh, being funny, you literally can't let in, it works as a blocker, it can't let in the sadness and the tragedy. Wow. It literally can't. Try and do it. Try and be telling a joke and at the exact same time or try to be laughing and at the same time just feeling, you know, hopeless, dark despair.

Yeah. No, it can be there and it can kind of come and go and go back and forth. So that's, he's very fascinated by stand-ups and by comedians because this was a coping mechanism that literally kept them alive. Yeah, it's interesting because last I did a show and I was in the worst of moods. And I went up at this comedy store. And it was just a great set.

I was just out of, you know what I mean? And I didn't think about what was. I didn't, I don't even remember what I was depressing me, really, to be honest with you. It really seemed to like, it always works. I think you're right. You know, every time I perform, you know, it's, I just don't, I'm just in a state of, not bliss, but it's more of content.

You know what I mean? It's not like I'm super happy either. It's just like I'm not miserable. You know what I mean? And I feel comfortable in my skin almost, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So you talked about your dad dying, he died four years ago, and you talked about how last

year, you really had some huge tests and setbacks and difficulties. Of course, we got the whole COVID thing in the middle of all this. How are things different now in this year? How are you, what are you leaning on? How are you processing this? How are you moving forward without that derailing you? Well, I mean, when those things were happening, they happened in sequence, you know what It was almost as if they were having at the same time almost. So for me, I said to myself, wow, I'm miserable and I'm just crying every day and this is fucking terrible, right? I have two options. That's it.

Use again, which is not going to work or really dive in. And I dove in. So I've been doing things that I normally wouldn't do, right? because I'm willing, there's no other option for me. The third option is to stay miserable. That's right, there's three options. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To stay in it or do these other two things.

You know what I mean? I decided to do this. There's a 12-step saying to gain self-esteem do estimable acts. Yeah. So you did an estimable act. Yeah. And this year, it's probably one of the best years of my life. That's awesome.

I mean, I'm in during the Super Bowl. Tom Sigur Emperor Chrysner invited me to their show and Shane Gillis was on it and it was like this you know it's not the size of the group but it was like you know there's a lot of people like 15, 14,000 people in this amphitheater in the round and it was the first time

in a very long time where I was on stage and I went you know what you deserve this you know I mean you worked so hard you've taken so many risks and you're

doing the right things in life you know what I mean and it was a moment of sheer joy and not that I don't even think I did that well I just remember being up there and looking at the crowd and going you know what dude

this is not egotistical to say this I just I know I worked hard for this and this is pure joy and it was like incredible so you know um i mean that's life it's not going to be perfect there's going to be some fucked up shit that happens you know what i mean and it's my job to um figure out how i want to live in

those events you know and i i want i'm 52 and i've decided to live it with joy and don't get me wrong like i still have to sometimes i'll read something online i still still have to sometimes call my therapist or call my sponsor and go, this is what I'm feeling. I mean, I'm not perfect, you know. I still sometimes slip into negative thinking and I get affected by it. But for the most part, I'm just, I can't believe I survived last year and I stayed sober.

What an unbelievable thing. You know? That's beautiful. Yeah. So it's so funny when I say this right now, I'm imagining people going, fuck this guy. Are there, these cheese, you know, this guy's a piece of shit.

You know what I mean? In my mind, for some reason, I think that. I don't think that's going to happen on the Soul Boom network. We'll see. We'll see. Here's another interesting thing is what I've learned to do is separating the online world in real life. In the sense that- You have a big online presence.

I do have an online presence, but there's a lot of negativity online. And I, if I live, if I live, live online, my emotions and my mood is, you know, affected by that. Yeah, sure. Right? 100%. Yeah. And what I realized in the last couple of years is that they're just completely two different

things, real life and this. And so I've not, what I've been doing now is I just don't read anything. Yeah. I don't go on there. I post, I'll do a caption or whatever, but it just has nothing to do with. who I am and what reality is. When the office was starting, that was just at the beginning of online world.

So we're 2005, 2006, and it's starting to come on the air. And that was during the times of message boards. Oh, right. I remember like, I'm DVD, message boards and like TV without pity. And it was people putting their comp. So it wasn't Twitter, which everyone would do it now on Twitter. Right, right. It was message boards for the show and what you think

and different like themes and, and, And I would obsessively, because I cared so deeply and cared so deeply about what people think of me, I would read these message boards. And it would hurt me. Like, the guy who plays Dwight looks like a pig. And I'd be like, oh. You know, and like, he's so not funny.

The English guy was way better. Yeah. You know, and this show is, you know, and I would really was like, everything was a cut. It was death by a thousand cuts. It's new, too. So we don't know how.

Yeah. I mean, to adapt, it's a new world. It's never been seen in the world, in the history of the world. Yeah. And we're now like the guinea pigs. Yeah. Or the first people that have to live in this new world. Yeah.

So of course you're going to react that way. Yeah. Yeah. Now you probably go. Because you're 100% right. Like three to four years earlier than that, there weren't those message boards. Yeah. It wasn't.

Mine was Planet Matt TV. There was a Canadian website called Planet Matt TV. And they had a whole message board. And it was nine pages of how I'm not funny. how I'm ruining the show and I remember just sitting there reading it at work because I didn't even have a computer so I would be at Fox just

What year was this maybe? 2000 Yeah, okay Yeah, 2000 It was right before 9-11 and the year before and I just remember going I think I want to kill myself

You'd be just reading that shit Yeah I mean his head's too big for his body Asians aren't funny Yeah That was like a whole thing You know what I mean And I just remember taking it

So personally. And then I just, you know, I think Frank Kellyando said, stop reading that. Yeah. So I was like, oh, maybe, because I had been there like six hours one day, just reading. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. It's fucking terrible.

But I'm better at it now. Like I can, I can literally read dozens of comments of like he's, he's an idiot and an asshole. I'll never work again. He's a freak. He's so weird looking. Are you? His head is fucking legend.

His head is too big for his body. He's a fucking legend. His head at my head. head is also too big for my body. Yeah, it's disturbingly big. It is very big. Yeah, it is. Yeah.

It's a, yeah. No, you're handsome. And I just wanna say that, um, to me, you are a fucking icon, man. You kill that show. You're so kind. I'm being real. Yeah. Thanks.

Yeah. I'm not gonna drive fucking two hours for nobody. But you wanted to bury your soul, too, a little bit. That's that's true. You wanted to do a little bit, something a little different. This is just, I like this. You're not just talking about like video games and pizza and, you know, and we've farts. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you, let me ask you a spiritual question. Okay. Do you believe it, what, may I? Okay. Do you believe in coincidences or do you believe that things happen for a reason? I think both. And I do think that things, a lot of things really happen for a reason in like some really profound

ways. But I also think that there are just coincidences. I do too. Can the world contain both of those things? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I, um, people that I don't generally hang out with people that just completely are like, there are no fucking, everything's got coincidence.

Yeah. You mean, I need dreamers out there. And I, um, I just surround myself with people like that because I do believe there's just been so many times where I was like, oh, that just saved my life. You know what I mean? I needed to hear that right then, where I needed to see that person. So I wanted to continue a brief spiritual coincidence,

a non-coincidence story. Love it. Here we go. So that second year at Matt TV, I got fired. So I go to rehab. Now, mind you, years before, I had done sobriety in San Diego when I was a kid. So I had sponsors and a whole list of people that, you know what I knew.

But once I did stand up, I lost all those numbers. Okay. Okay. Now, I'm in L.A. my manager drives me to San Diego to go to detox at a place okay yeah and it wasn't a recovery place

it was a wheat grass farm it was like for people like just lose weight I don't know why she put me because she checked in too okay she wanted to lose 10 pounds and she wanted you to get sober yeah yeah yeah so I just I remember because I was on Viking and right so I was like in the bathtub

just shaking for days no medical help or anything oh damn I could have died right And then I went to my manager, Abby, and I go, I need to go to a recovery place that has, she's like, well, you're fine, sweetie. I mean, you're not doing Viking and now, are you? I go, but I need to go to a meeting. She said, you're fine. So one night, I knew that like two miles down this hill, there was an in and out.

I go, give me some money so I can go in and out. So I escaped this place, ran down this hill. There was a 24-hour vons next to the in and out. Okay. So I go, you know what? I'm going to get an apple instead. So I went and got an apple. So I was in the vegetable aisle.

I get a tap on my shoulder and I turn around and I recognize this guy. He got, it was a guy named Will. And I go, whoa, dude, I fucking know you. He goes, yeah, when you were a kid, you know what I mean? I remember I briefly sponsored you when you were at the McDonald's Center. And I go, when you were 17. And I go, oh, yeah. And he goes, he goes, what are you doing?

I told him the whole story why I was there. And he goes, it's so weird. He goes, I was speaking in a meeting in Arizona, I was driving and something told me to pull over to this vans. And this guy, Will, gave me all the numbers of the A people I once knew. That's amazing. So all these people, when I was at that institute,

who kept picking me up and driving me to meetings. And I always feel like that was like a cosmic thing. There's only one lesson to be learned from this. Don't go to In-N-Out Burger. Get yourself an apple. Good things will happen. Can I ask you another question? What happened to you?

Like you said you had some a while back. I mean, what brought you to the spiritual journey? So one of the things that you said earlier really resonated with me. And the author Julia Cameron of the artist's way, you like, you know, the artist's way. Yeah. Amazing, amazing, amazing book. Morning pages. It's a, it's essentially like a 12-step.

program for creativity. And you can apply it in your daily life. It's really amazing. But she said, I come to spirituality, not out of virtue, but out of necessity. And I've talked about this story before, but like you, I think to a less extreme degree, but I struggled with alcohol and drugs. And I had a lot of anxiety. I had crippling anxiety attacks, like shaking panic attacks, sweating for years in New York

City. And is this post office or before? No, no, pre. Pre. Yeah. This is me at 23, 24 just out of NYU trying to make a career in the theater and just living in this abandoned beer brewery out in Brooklyn, you know, kind of essentially being a squatter and just like working this bar until 4 a.m. And just really lost. And back then there's there's therapy was not common. Only rich people went to therapy. And, you know, there weren't podcasts, and there weren't apps and meditation and self-help books weren't ubiquitous.

And so I turned the only thing I knew to turn to, which was spirituality. So I started looking and investigating spiritual journeys and ideas and conversations and Hinduism and the Upanishads and Buddhism and the Baha'i faith, which was the religion of my childhood. and started like trying to pray,

trying to figure out what that would look like, seeing if I actually could believe in God. And I didn't go into any 12-step program or anything. I just did a deep dive into it. And that's what started my interest in it. But it really came, like you said, it saved my fucking life. Like these ideas saved my life. They anchored me in reality.

It brought me a lot of peace and truth and vision. And so I've really been my mission to, A, play weird characters on television shows, and B, to spread the gospel, not of any particular religion necessarily, but of, hey, there are spiritual tools that can help us. And people in recovery get it. People with mental health issues get it. And how has this spiritual journey of yours intersected with your mental health journey? Well, I've had to do separate. Some of it's like sometimes my mental health is a completely different thing where I do trauma therapy, EMDR. But that's all spiritual.

I don't think it's like you have to have God and prayer. Yeah. But I still needed to go to a different place, like an avenue, to get that. I mean, I was when my dad died, and I had no idea about trauma, but I thought that like, because my dad chilled out once I got older, he was, fine, you know, and we became, he became my dad in my 20s and 30s. He wasn't violent. I think he never apologized, but I think there was a sense of guilt maybe with him. But I remember when my dad died, the day he died, I couldn't eat or sleep for like three months. Like I could, I was in a manic episode. I didn't know what the fuck was going on. And nothing could help me. And I remember walking

down the street and there's a you know an actress friend of mine that saw me and she's like you look like shit I think I want to something I think I'm going to do something bad I can't sleep I haven't slept in two months I didn't dream for two months and she goes you got to see my therapist so I went to see my therapist Beverly and I'm still with I see her actually after this I go to in Cina to go see her and she she goes what's going on I told her my dad had died and she goes tell me about your childhood and what and I went into the violence and and the trauma and that it was just scary you know and um and after that at that session that night I could eat and I could sleep so in my mind I'm like oh there's a connection between you know mean what

happened as a child and what's going on with me physically and mentally right now wow and so I decided to really pursue that. And I, then I went to a place in Arizona for a week and I did EMDR there for the first time. And I don't really feel it in my body as much and it really is helping. But, you know, I guess you're right, that is a spiritual thing

but I'm not getting that through. I wish the 12 steps would you know, I mean deal with that type of thing like trauma and whatnot. But I went somewhere else. But that, again, running into that actress to me was a God sent, you know what I mean? Because I don't know what I would have done if I haven't met, if I didn't meet. So Will in the grocery store and the actress who introduced you to Beverly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are like two. They're angels. Angels, yeah, yeah. They really are on your path. That's why I think I, I want to, that's why I want to be sober and that's why I want to be president open because I want to be used as an angel and help somebody else, you know. And I think I've done that.

in several cases. Your friend who you stopped from jumping out of the car on Highland. Yeah. Although that guy did write a movie and, you know, my podcast partner, Andrew Santino. Yeah. Put him in the movie and I'm not in the movie. And I save this fucking guy's life, man. No, I'm not even kidding, dude.

That's fucking bullshit. It's a huge movie too. It's like with big actors. And I'm like, dude, did Andrew save your life? Fuckface? I'm sorry. But isn't that this perfect human condition? Cheers, Brian.

I mean, come on. It's crazy. But that's the human condition. So to me, you know, recovery isn't just, Jesus Christ, how much more can you fit in your pockets? Yeah, a lot. Just move on, please. Thanks. It would be funny if you had a thing of Vicodin and a flask of vodka.

and like some joints. Well, can I just mention another thing? I just don't want everyone want you to do this again. I was pooing downstairs and you were listening and please don't do that again. Thanks for setting a boundary with me. I wanted to do that with you. I was building resentment. You were building more than a resentment.

You were building. You were building. All I know is that I had used a restroom. I went downstairs. You were in the bathroom. And I hear a YouTube video. from the bathroom. Yeah.

So I thought it would be very funny. I was trying to hide the noise. Thank you. You were on the toilet watching Saturday Live clips and you know it. To hide the noise. I didn't know fucking Rain and Wilson was listening in. Let's just move on from it. I'm just saying don't fucking do that again.

I don't know that I can respect that boundary of yours. All right. I think I might need to do it again. Do what you do. You know, recovery and sobriety isn't just about like stopping whatever your drug of choices. And it doesn't have to be just be alcohol and drugs. It can be porn.

It can be shopping. It can be food. It can be workaholism, codependence, you name it. But it's not just ceasing a behavior. It's replacing that behavior, you know,

with positive behavior. But what's next on your journey for Bobby Lee and talking about like emotional sobriety and ever increasing, bringing ever increasing kind of consciousness this light and healing to all the choices that, you know, we make along our path. There are secondary addictions that I'm dealing with. One of them is video games.

And it doesn't sound like much, but when you're doing it nine hours, like nine hours a day, hundreds and hundreds of hours, and you sit there and you know what, I know what I'm doing. I'm just not feeling things. And, you know, you're numbing out. You're escaping. I'm escaping and I'm numbing out. out. I do it with that. I do have a little bit of pornography addiction, you know what I mean? That I do that it feels um it feel I mean the difference between drugs and alcohol and porn and

video games. I don't lose jobs because of those. I tend to show up the things because you know what I mean but it's doing the other stuff which is like not getting in touch with what's going on with my feelings and also um and i want to say something that i'm going to say right now and i've never said this out loud before um i feel like pornography has affected every single one of my relationships i've ever had you know if i look back you know so it has done a lot of harm and those that's a thing that i've um i'm struggling with now so i'm like i'm not perfect you know i'm well aware that these are things are happening when i'm doing them you know i'm not in denial of about it, you know.

So these are things that I want to address. And I'm scared to, you know, because you know, when you're doing it, it seems so innocent and not harmful. It does get in a way of spiritual growth and emotional growth and all those other things that I want to do, you know. I want to be able to feel things. You know, last year I went through a gigantic breakup. I, you know, had a war with some other podcasts and I got really ugly.

They tried to cancel me a month there. So there's a lot of things that went on that I was just like, I'm not going to use drugs or alcohol, but I'm going to escape by just playing games and, you know, masturbating, you know what I mean? And it's like, you know, and I'm well aware I'm doing that, you know? But I'm now addressing those things, you know. Thank you.

It just seems so fucking, you know, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like I generally don't do this. Like we talked about, I do quiffs and, you know what I mean? And doing accents and stuff like that. You know what I mean? So to talk about like real things like that, it's, I hear myself talking. I go, oh, my God, you're really very vulnerable.

Here's the deal because we're talking about how you can be an angel and how you can help people. But there's, there might be people struggling with this stuff that are listening right now going, oh my God, he's absolutely speaking my language. I needed to hear this in order to make a change. change. Other people are suffering. I know when I talk about mental health stuff with me, like people are so grateful because like, oh, you don't have an Instagram life. You don't have just perfectly curated life. You're, you struggle and you're a fuck up and you, you've had problems before and you've overcome them. And the important thing there is, you know,

this was so tough about like video games and like porn. And thank you. Thank you. Seriously, thank you for sharing and making yourself vulnerable in that way around that stuff. as you know in step one is like you know I admitted that I was powerless over blank fill in the blank and my life had become unmanageable and that's the tough thing about so much going on today is it doesn't necessarily make your life unmanageable right you can play nine hours of video games and you can watch two hours of porn and you can do online shopping for an hour and you can go you know gamble on sports games for hours and lose a couple hundred bucks and and you can be scrolling on your phone for hours and we can live

in this kind of hyper-addicted, poly-addicted state. Yeah. You know, and we can function. We can hold down jobs and we don't get fired, but it's not bringing us closer to God. Because when I was in high school, I had a sponsor named Dan, and I still talk to him.

He's like this old Korean man. He has white hair. He has tattoos to his wrist. He looks like a mortal combat character, right? And he's like, when I was in, when I got sober junior year in high school, he goes, hey, you're going to go to a monastery with us for like three days. And we lived at this monastery, right?

And I bunked with, like, I was a kid. And I bunked with like, you know, lawyers and people that were like, you know, a part of the group that we're in, right? And I just remember it being like probably one of the happiest times of my life because I was just like, wow, this is unbelievable. I'm being treated like an adult, but we're like, we're not talking, we're meditating. and I'm learning about these things, you know what I mean, at such a young age, at 17,

you know what was an incredible thing. And I just kind of look back at that going, like I wish there was a place where I could just... Why don't we do that? Let's do it. You and me will get Cho, we'll get some other people. Yeah. We'll go do a phone-free, like, restorative event.

Are you being real? Yeah, I'm being real. I would love the fucking. Can we do that? Yeah, I really want to do that. And Cho has more money than both of us put together. He can pay for. He has to pay for it.

He has to pay for it. David, if you're watching. Yeah, I mean, if we could set that out, I'm being real, let's fucking do that. Yeah. I swear on this, I mean, I swore a couple of times. Yeah, we can swear. Yeah, I'll do that with you. Yeah, that would love it.

For how long a week? Yeah, let's do a week. Yeah, let's do a week. Let's do five days. But let's do, four should be good. You know what, if we do three days, that's going to be plenty. Two days is going to give us everything we need. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

phone free, we need to do meditation, we need to be in nature, and there should be really good food. Listen, you don't need a lot of money to be curious about life and challenge yourself and have new experiences. Yeah. I'm willing to do whatever it takes. And even if it doesn't work, I'm willing to do it to get to the bottom of it and to be released from it and to be free from it. from the trauma from the trauma yeah anything that's gonna make me happier you know what I mean I will I'm willing to do it I'm willing to try even this little thing that was in that's which is never gonna happen me you and David Cho in this fucking that's never gonna fucking happen you know what you Utah yeah it's never gonna fucking in the cave that's never gonna fucking happen but um but I don't be willing if you if Dave called me goes we're doing it right I'm gonna do it I'm willing to do it give it a try I would just love to like to like

like just not be online and looking at things and like I just want to I just need a break man yeah don't you feel that yeah I totally do yeah I just want to break from it all yeah I'm tired and also it's just all it's all I don't know what's going to happen man because kids today now it's like a completely different world that we live in and it's like I don't know I don't know there's room for spirituality when it comes to young people because of you know they're raised with this online you know what I mean it's going to get worse or worse technology and whatnot I just I hope that I talk about this being the in my book soul boom about this is like the one of the biggest experiments in human history is like let's drop a

mini computer into everyone's pocket and on it is unlimited porn unlimited video games unlimited Amazon shopping unlimited Netflix just with a touch of a button yeah any distraction you can possibly want just on this thing, the size of a credit card. And let's drop it into hundreds of millions of people's pockets and see what happens. Like without any consultation or growth or anything like that, it's incredibly challenging. Then you drop onto this, you know, climate change and, and. All right. I mean, yeah.

It gets tough. It gets insane. But let's turn the corner here. I'm not going to sleep. How do we, how do we, what kind of? What kind of. I've really depressed you. What hope do we provide young people?

What has helped you? And I can share what's helped me. So let's... To help young people? Yeah, to help people that are struggling with this, all that we're talking about. There's a lot of darkness in the world. Yeah, I mean, the only thing I can do is,

I mean, I don't know what it is. And I don't want to make this racial, but I'm gonna. Good. Yeah, yeah. I think for some reason or another, And I've never asked for this role, but I've become sort of like

Yoda in the comedy club scene. You mean where like young comics come up to me with problems. Wow. You know what I mean? I don't know why that is, you know, but... You know what my first thought? What?

Literally my first thought that went into my head when you said that, when you shared that. It's like, that would be a great show. How can I monetize that? You'd be like, but it was like, Bobby as Yoda and young comics come to you with like, Yeah, like just with all kinds of things. Like, why would you even think that I even knew about that?

Because you share, you bear your soul online. So in that, so in that way. They trust you. Yeah, I guess. But in that way, I guess I can help young people. You know what I mean? And. But what do you say to them?

What do you say to them? Give me a scenario. Hey, Bobby, I had a lot of trauma too. I'm really depressed. Sometimes I feel like killing myself. And I can't just. stay in a relationship. I just hook up with girls at comedy clubs.

And I just, I feel like a piece of shit all the time. What do I do? I mean, I mean, it's complicated that one, but let me try to address it, right? Because there's a lot of things like if, if you're hooking up a lot,

maybe you have a sexual addiction to it. Is that what the situation is? I don't know. I'm talking to you, then you're the one with the problem. I'm playing a fictitious end of coming. I know, don't get a, stay in the role.

Okay. My name is Carl McWhorter. No, you already did that. I already know you, that's what you came up to me. Yeah. Why you give me your name again? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what a sex addiction is. Maybe I do. I don't know. Okay. Now I'm going to get out, all right, the scene. But what I want to see. And scene. And scene.

What I would ask about, I wouldn't need specifics on what's going on. Right. So number one, it's like, is, is there a sexual thing involved? Like, do you have like an, a sexual addiction of some sort? All right. Number two, I wouldn't know. I want to know the frequency of your drug usage. And I would know the history of your mental health.

in terms of your depression and stuff. And I would ask about, you know, traumatic events, did that happen as a child? And with all that information that I would come up with maybe my best guess, you know what I mean, solution, you know what I mean? But it's like, I don't know. When it comes to drug addiction and alcoholism, you know what I mean, the only thing I would take them to a meeting. Because for me, it's like you get a lot from 12 steps, right?

You get spirituality. You know, you get a group, which is, I mean, huge. I mean, back when Bill and Bob started AA, you know, I mean, essentially they didn't have the book then, but they realized that when they hung out with each other, they talked about their experience, strength and hope, right, that they were able to get some numbers under their belt. Sure. So it's like, you got to be around people. Well, speaking of that, I sent an article this morning to my producer Kartik about, and the Atlantic, it was talking about how Americans aren't assembling anymore. Alex de Tocqueville, the famous essayist. Wow, this interesting.

Came to the United States 150 years ago, and he was like, Americans are gathering every, it's a marvel. They'll have farm communities and the Moose Lodge and the churches and the Veterans Association and the Neighborhood Watch and Cleanup Association. Wow. You know, Americans just love to gather.

And, like, we're not assembling anymore. We're not gathering anymore. We're so isolated because of our devices and our machines. Culturally, they've done these studies that more and more isolation. Loneliness is an epidemic. Suicide is an epidemic. But one of the great things about comedy clubs, it's people in a fucking room together laughing. Yeah.

Like it's a good place to start. We need more comedy clubs. Well, I go not to do comedy too. It's like that's where I see Neil. Yeah. You know what I mean? All my friends and stuff, right? Yeah.

So it's like, that's, I go to social. Yeah. Neil Brennan. He did a lot better than you did. He's smarter. He didn't go to college. He's smarter. He's very smart.

That's pretty mean, dude. Anyway, that's what we do. See, that's what we do, folks. That's fun. In case any of you, new age, woo, woo, weirdos are watching the show. Yeah. Cut that.

But that's why I go. I go to see, you know. Yeah, so let's go back to the comedy club. You go there to see your friends. Yeah, it's like, I know Whitney. Whitney's pregnant, so I'm going to go and see the, you know what I'm Touch the belly, you know what whatever. You know what I mean?

I don't know what they do, but... I wrote Whitney to see if she'd come on my show. She didn't text me back. I'm going to get her on the show. Can you text her and let her know? Whatever you want. That's cool. That's cool.

Sure. Who do you want? I got it. Michelle Obama. I can't get her. I can get Whitney, though. That's all. He winked.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But seriously, we're... That's amazing. Communities breaking down. I never thought about that, but I think you're right. And because we've also jettisoned churches for a very good reason. Yeah. Right. So America has really turned its back on organized quote-unquote organized religion. Yeah. We're spiritual but not religious young people. But I have to say, can I say something real quick? Yeah. So I met this girl on hinge dating app. Yeah. And she goes, I go to church. They should be a dating app called unhinged.

Like for Karen's or people know about this. For people like you. Unhinged. So she I, and because I was trying to get laid, I was like, I'll go to church with you, you know. So it was in Venice and I went, I swear to God did. I was like, this is amazing. That's awesome. Because it wasn't about, yeah, it wasn't about being saved and born again. Singing, singing together.

Yeah, and also like turn to your neighbor, shake their hands. I love when they do that. Yeah. I go, hello, my name is Bob. You know, whatever you say, whatever your name is, fill in the blank. But I'm just saying, I like, well, you turn around, you know what I mean? and so it's great, you know what I mean? And there was, and I, for the first time,

I understood why they go. Yeah. Because, I mean, the, the, the religion itself doesn't make any sense. And, you know what I mean? You know, and I just never, but I, I, it makes a little sense. If you break it down, Jesus was really wise and awesome and had a lot of great things to teach us.

Yeah. And let's. I think I'm, I'm more talking about, like, the social issue judgments that they have. Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, the dog mess. Gay marriage and all that kind of stuff. It just drives me crazy.

But I understood for the first time and went, oh, this is like me going to an A meeting or this is me like going to the comedy store. It's communal. It's, you know, senior friends. And it's positive as well. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, they're talking about positive things.

You know what I mean? So I understand why people go now. Yeah. I didn't get late anyway. I didn't get late. It's hard, you know, it's hard to, don't date a Christian, because you have to join it, I think. Number one, they don't have sex before, they don't have sex before marriage, usually. And I was like, I realized at church, I go, I looked at her, I'm beautiful.

And I go, I don't think this is going to happen because I would have to do, this is going to take three years to get, to get in, you know what I mean? You got to have a long game. It's a long game. Yeah, I can't. I don't have the time. Yeah, yeah. I've been listening. Are we friends after this or no.

Fuck yeah. We're better friends. Yeah. I mean, we didn't really know each other, but let's be real. I feel, I feel like there was some connection here, man. I would like to be friends with you. Okay. I would like to be friends with you.

Yeah, we did it. You get wary about being touched. You don't like being touched in a... No, I do. Alston, you know, but not, come on. The cameras are on. Oh, fuck, man. I love you too, man.

Good job on office. Really good stuff. Good stuff, right. What are you saying? Can you tell the world how we know we do know each other? Tell them that very first story. There's two. Okay, but tell them the very first story. So the very first one, I was a kid, not kid, but I just moved to L.A.

And I don't know how this happened, but I was asked to have, to just be a background of a pilot that they're doing live for the Fox executives. Yeah. And, um. 2000, 2001, maybe? Probably, yeah, maybe it's because I was on mad. I had just gone on mad. That's how I got it. But I remember being there and I didn't want to do it

because there was no money. And also, I had no lines. You had no lines? I don't think I had lines. I just sat there. And then, but I have to say, I'm glad I did it because I saw you. That's when I saw you for the first time.

It was called the Nubo Zina. Right. And you did that out of college? It's a clown. Yeah. So, FYI, to fill you all in, the new Bozina was what brought me to Los Angeles. It was a clown sketch comedy surreal show that we did at NYU, and then we did it off Broadway, off off Broadway and then off Broadway.

And we brought to L.A. to kind of chasing the nirvana of a TV deal. And we got a deal at Fox. It was a terrible deal. but and they passed on shooting our pilot but they're like we're going to do a live pilot presentation and the executives will come and see how great you guys are live and doing this show

and we'll think of something to do with you or well that was the first time I've even heard of doing a lot I mean I've seen many iterations of it since then but that was the first time was like live pilot what but I remember watching it and being because I was there during rehearsals and stuff and then the show and I was like this is like this is

This is so fucking funny. These guys are so amazing. And I remember thinking, like, I want to be on the show. But you did something very nice. You, and I didn't even know you, you wrote me a thank you letter. I did that. Yeah, and I remember that because I had it in my, fuck, I lost it. But I had it in this chest.

Probably when you were doing all that Vicodin. Maybe. But I remember you being on the office, like the first season. I remember discovering the letter going, oh, fuck, Rain wrote me this. Oh, nice. So it was super saying. It was simple. You were just basically like, thank you so much for doing the show. I really appreciate it. It was only your name. Like the other guy, I don't even know the other guy's names, but they didn't sign it. Fuck them. Yeah, fuck them. But you were very nice. And the second time I ran into you. Yeah. You don't remember where? Was it in Sutton Place in Vancouver? Yeah. And we were in the business center. Yeah. Yeah. You were sitting there in business center and you said hi to me. And I said hi. And we had a brief exchange and that was it. No.

Yeah. No, we had more interaction than that because I remember walking down the street with you outside of the Sutton place, hotel. No. Yeah. Oh, then we, we ended the business. And for insiders who don't know, they call it the Slutton. The Slutton place because it's like where all the actors stay. Yeah.

I do love that place when I go there. Yeah. There are a lot of memories. They have a whole wing of it that has kitchens, which is really nice. Because then you can, like, cook your food. And it's right centrally located. I love Vancouver. I love shooting.

Vancouver. Yeah. So fun. And it is so fun. So fun. But I remember walking down the street with you and it was raining and we were talking about Mad TV and what you're doing and stand up and stuff. So we had more conversations than that.

Well, that was, yeah. It was a lovely time then. Yeah. So memorable. So memorable and nice. Bobby Lee. Yeah. We did it.

We did it. Was it good or bad? It was amazing. It was really, really great. But anyway, dude, it was a pleasure, dude. I haven't had a, this is, you know, I'm usually. very wacky and I talk about weird shit you know I mean but this was really therapeutic and I'm so glad I came fuck off I'm really glad you came and I'm really glad you came and I'm

I'm really sorry that I recorded you watching videos while pooping yeah don't do that I'm not really sorry anyway thank you