Soul Boom - Quantum Physics Proves God's Existence (w/ Dr. Theresa Bullard)

Episode Date: August 13, 2026

Explore the science of prayer, meditation, intuition, manifestation, and consciousness w/ Dr. Theresa Bullard. She reveals what ancient wisdom may have understood long before modern science. Then Rainn asks where spirituality ends and pseudoscience begins. SPONSORS!👇 🛒 ZipRecruiter 👉 https://ziprecruiter.com/soulboom 🛒 Nutrafol (promo code: SOULBOOM) 👉 https://nutrafol.com 🙏 Fetzer 👉 https://fetzer.org 🛒 ZocDoc 👉 https://zocdoc.com/soulboom MERCH OUT NOW! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://soulboom.com/store⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sign up for our newsletter! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://soulboom.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to Soul Boom! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/Subscribe2SoulBoom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW US! Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://instagram.com/soulboom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠http://tiktok.com/@soulboom⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sponsor Soul Boom: [e-mail] Work with Soul Boom: [e-mail] Executive Produced by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Kartik Chainani⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Executive Produced by: Ford Bowers, Samah Tokmachi Companion Arts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What is intuition? Does it have any kind of scientific basis? Is there any truth to this idea of manifestation? How does prayer work? And is there any kind of scientific basis to it? What's the relationship between the brain and consciousness? What is the gut? Scientists nowadays talking about the gut being almost like the second brain. What can we learn from our gut, both literally and figuratively? What's one spiritual belief that science 100% supports? Mm-hmm. That's a good question. Hey there, it's me, Rain Wilson, and I want to dig into the human experience. I want to have conversations about a spiritual revolution. Let's get deep with our favorite thinkers, friends, and entertainers about life, meaning, and idiocy.

Welcome to the Soul Boom podcast. A quick thanks to our sponsors, NoCD, Cowboy Colostrum, Zockdoch, Fetzer, and Quince. Links and promo codes on screen and in the description. Now enjoy the show. Dr. Teresa Bullard, welcome to Soul Boom. Thank you, Rain. It's a pleasure. What are you a doctor of?

Physics, yeah. I have a PhD in physics from the University of Washington. Go huskies. Go huskies. We're both huskies. And now you have a very new age practice based in science and a lot of different modalities, Kabbalah, mysticism, indigenous wisdom. And in the physics department, it's like,

you don't dare talk about spirituality, right? So I felt because there's this, there's this threat that looms over all scientists, I would say, which is this thing called credibility. And if you risk your credibility, then you risk your potential for getting published and you risk your potential for getting a job. And it's just kind of this, this is the mindset. And I had seen other colleagues get like really attacked and criticized if they mentioned anything religious or spiritual within the physics department. So I just thought. So a tremendous amount of pressure from those academic systems to not reveal if you have some kind of faith or God consciousness or metaphysical, mystical inclinations around what you're studying. Yeah, I don't think they really

cared if you believed, but you don't bring that conversation into the physics department. kind of thing because at least where I was, it was just, it's more of a cultural thing in science than a fundamental difference, I would say. I know there were other religious and spiritual people within the department. It just wasn't the business of science to talk about spiritual things. And so they would rather just leave those kind of soft subjects. I would say that within physics, there's a lot of intellectual elitism. and so they would diminish soft science.

When I was first exploring into my sort of spiritual reawakening process, I was very well educated in the science history. And how we were taught in science history is, well, you know, those alchemists were just a bunch of pseudoscientists who are just trying to turn lead into gold. And we know that that's not possible. So, you know, charlatans and we're going to divorce ourselves from this. you know, embarrassing history of where science came from. The true goal of alchemy is the wisdom, the wisdom of how to transform the self into a more elevated state of being, how to achieve

higher states of consciousness, how to perfect one's own soul. It's funny because when I think of alchemy, you know, I think of the cliche and maybe it's from playing too many like fantasy video games of like someone in a, you know, in a hut and they've got like test tubes and they're, they're trying to transform something into something else. If someone wanted to look further into like, what is alchemy? Because I love the idea that it's, yes, there were these physical processes that they were undertaking, but they were also kind of mystical and metaphysical and philosophical processes that they were unraveling at the same time. I guess my question is, because it can get real woo-woo real quick.

Yeah. If you go into a crystal bookstore and you look for an alchemy book, it can just be like, which is spells and I have newt and kind of like. That's with which. But you know what I mean? Like it mixes it all. It mixes it all together very rapidly. In the new age, yes.

In the kind of the new age tradition, it can you can find a book and it will just have, it'll have everything but the kitchen sink in there. It'll have crystals and incense and sage and native things and meditations and visualizations and, you know, and astronomy and angels. And it all kind of becomes this very, and this is where I, where I get struggle a little bit with the new age part. There's so much that I ascribe to and that I find power and meaning in. And then the needle can just cross this line. And then all of a sudden you're talking about past lives regression and aliens and, you know, rosicrucians and stuff and third eyes and, you know, pyramid stuff. And it's just like, I'm so sorry. I have you really, really lost me. Like, so you've, you've gone down this road. Where do you draw that, where do you draw that line? That's a good question. First of all, I'd like to say that there's a difference between the new

Age and ancient metaphysics. So the New Age really started with like the works of Alice Bailey and Blavatsky. So maybe 100 years ago. And then from there, you know, in the U.S., in particular, as it got exported from Europe over to the U.S., the sort of American mindset kind of grabbed hold of it. And everybody started becoming channelers and mediums and anything goes sort of. of individualism and creativity started getting mixed in with an ancient tradition that actually has a lot of structure to it. My personal journey led me ultimately to a group called the Modern Mystery School, which also comes from these ancient traditions and has a path and has initiatives.

That's separate from the magical mystery tour by the Beatles? Yes. Okay. What is it? The Met? Modern mystery school. Yeah. The Modern Mystery School is coming to take you away. way. Okay. All right. But we're always looking to the more ancient sources versus the, you know,

new age sources. And there's a real path of discipline and structure. And you always work with a guide, a teacher, and it's still done in person very much according to the oral tradition. And I think that having a guide is really important when you're studying into these metaphysical subjects because it can be easy to get lost if you're just trying to do everything on your own. Yeah. Right. The new age mindset is it, you know, flit around. It's a buffet. Yeah. It's a buffet. And I'm going to choose kind of what I'm feeling right now. Right. I'm glad you mentioned that because I think that new age has a tendency to be very solipsistic, where it's kind of like this works for me and, you know, this color therapy or aromatherapy or whatever, whatever I'm getting into. There's nothing wrong with good colors and good aromas. And that's all the sound baths and all of it. But if it just begins. ends with you and ends with you, then it's not following in the lineage of great spiritual

teaching, which is always about like, how do we transform ourselves so that we can be more whole and maybe even happier and have deeper wellness, but to give that back to the world and to help the world transform and to pass it along. I think that, yeah, not only does it not start and end with you, and all those tools are great, right? They all work. Like the, the aromatherapy, I've used it, the color stuff. It works, but it's not about that. It's just, those are tools. And the other thing that I find that's unfortunate right now,

especially within the new age, is they're seeking the phenomenon. They're seeking the experience without there being a purpose to it. So they want the mystical experience or the transcendent experience. Transcendent expanded consciousness state without, having to do the work for it, right? And without it really leading to anything on the other side, it's like, well, now that you've had that experience, now what? Right? What are you doing with that? How do you live this? How do you embody the principles in your day-to-day life versus just go off and have the ayahuasca retreat, you know, and then come back and then what? You go back to your life as it was,

or some people just don't even know how to cope with what they experienced and then how to reintegrate back into life. And so this chasing of the phenomenon is a trap. And people are getting into, like it's all about having the experience. And no, that's not what it's about. That's maybe one step along the way that helps people open up their mind and their eyes to there is more than just the physical. And there's more going on than what our five senses typically register. But it's about that. And if they end at that bliss bunny kind of state, they're completely missing the point of what we're really here to be doing, which is advancing the whole of human life and all of life on this planet and then beyond. So there's so much more purpose. And I think that

when you have a deeper path and you commit yourself to that path, whichever path resonates for you as an individual, I think there's a lot of good paths out there. But you got to go deeper and commit to something so that you can commit to a higher purpose, to the journey, going deeper with it and really making a difference ultimately because there's a higher purpose that guides you along the way. I will say one shout out to my new age friends is my mom and stepped out in the new age world. And I remember reading books sitting around their house and magazines and pamphlets and stuff.

And I remember 20, 30 years ago, a whole bunch of stuff about light therapy and reading about red light therapy. And they had these weird masks with red bulbs and LED bulbs and stuff like that. And I remember, you know, I'm in my 20s or 30s or whatever looking at it. Like, this is weird. Like this is, come on, give me a break, these weird goggles with lights and stuff. And now guess what? Everyone's doing it. And it's scientifically backed up that, you know, incredible.

they're just just beginning to learn about what light therapy can do to mitochondria and healing and you know yeah it's a great point because and this is what I find what like as I've dove more and more into ancient metaphysical and ancient wisdom teachings from various traditions the more I see okay they have maybe anecdotal evidence over thousands of years that this stuff works but a lot of it now science is starting to like study it from our modern day technology kind of approach and verify oh this is what it's doing to your neurons this is what is doing to your cells this is what it's doing to your DNA so now we can verify it but just because we can verify it now I mean it was always working right so this is where a tradition an ancient tradition that has

passed down these tools and these teachings and this knowledge and these ways of operating practices for thousands of years, if it didn't work, it wouldn't have survived thousands of years. It would have just become obsolete at some point because people would be trying it and be like, it didn't work. So the fact that it's survived for so long tells us, okay, there's something here. Like, let's give it some credit and let's try to understand it now with our modern day scientific awareness and technology. But just, you know, don't wave it away. And that's what I got so frustrated with with the scientific community as it went so like the pendulum swung so far to the materialist mindset that they just immediately started to wave away anything that had you know

sci phenomenon or consciousness or anything spiritual you know they just wave it away and they use the term pseudo-science pseudo history pseudo whatever to just immediately discredit and just bat it off but you know there's some rigorous research that's being done in the field of consciousness, like telepathy, for example. There's rigorous research being done on it that's validating it, but you can't get published because the establishment just waves it away as it's not credible, it's pseudo-whatever because it's threatening to them and their narrative of materialism. Yeah.

I was very skeptical of those telepathy tapes podcast. And then I started, there's a new documentary coming out about it and I got to do a sneak peek of it. And when you see it on camera and what they're doing, you're just like, holy fuck. Are you kidding me? You know, you hear it on a podcast or it stories about it. And you're like, I don't know, maybe. But then when you see it on camera, you're like, wait, come on. Yeah, well, they say seeing is believing, right? You got to see it with your own eyes to really embrace it. One is the Kabbalah. And put that aside for the time being, because I'm really interested in in your study and work there and what that is.

The other is there seems to be this kind of strange disconnect, at least on YouTube, between quantum physics, quantum mechanics, quantum theory as a science, and then how it's kind of put into, for lack of a better word, forgive me, but new age kind of concepts. And it could get very easily like,

misinterpreted. Yeah. Like you have in quantum like spooky action at a distance and then someone will say, you see, it's just like in life when you witness something, it becomes alive for your consciousness. And it's kind of like there's some kind of scientific principle that no one quite understands. And then it's kind of like hijacked in a in a self-helpy kind of way that's very wishy-washy interpretation. Yeah, exactly. And there's nothing. wrong with it, but at the same time, it's like it's so radically different from what science is. How do you literally and practically and, you know, in a meat and potatoes way, marry the materialist science with the mysticism and the metaphysical that is so obviously there but can easily spiral

off into woo-woo. Yeah. The problem is not so much whether the physical and the metaphysical can be married. But it's more in, as we say, we're kind of talking about before. The new age tends to go to wishy-washy with their interpretations of things. And that's where the problem then really comes up. Kabbalah. I've always found it really interesting for myself and other people that don't know anything

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course with the Modern Mystery School. And I started reading about it. The first book I read was was called Kabbalah for Modern World. Gonzales Whippler, I think, is the name of the author. and her last name. And it was basically taking Genesis and going back to the original Hebrew and then re-translating the Hebrew from a cavalistic lens, understanding the meaning of every word and every letter. And every letter is not just a letter. It's like volumes worth of information within those letters.

And then giving a more expanded understanding and translation of it. And as I was reading it, at the same time, I was attending astrophysics lectures at the University of Washington and on the cosmology of how the universe came to be, you know, the latest science of it. And as I was reading this book and going to these lectures, I was like, they're saying the same thing. Just different words maybe, but same thing, same essence. So that was my initial spark for like, wow, well, if the Kabbalist knew this thousands of years ago, how the universe was created and they had a model for it, what else do they know that maybe could help guide science?

Because science is just now coming around to it. So what is Kabbalah? The word itself is often translated as to receive or that which is received. Typically they mean from mouth to ear, so through the oral tradition. But they've also translated it as to reveal, right? So revealed wisdom, revealed knowledge and understanding. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, And they have also translated it as to accept. And I like the three translations because it kind of gives you a bit of a formula for if you want to receive something, first of all, you have to ask. Right.

So ask and you shall receive. So as you ask the questions, then knowledge or answers can be revealed. Kabbala ultimately teaches it's all within us. So we're asking the questions and the answers from within. reveal themselves or our own contemplation, for example, or life can reveal it to us through our reflection upon what life is trying to teach us. Or, you know, you could have it revealed through oral tradition and through a teacher. But ultimately, Kabbal is meant to be lived. So it's the study of life. It's not just about esoteric things. It's about like how to live this life as a really,

like to fulfill your purpose and potential as a human. The Kabbalists believe that in this physical life were in this density, in this physicality, we're kind of in this state of, they talk about the shattering. Like at one point, we were in this really perfected divine state as a spirit. And then, but that like vessel that we were couldn't contain the wholeness, the fullness of the infinite and it kind of shattered. And then there's all these shards that went all over the universe and became the stars and the spirits and the planets and all of this. And here we're in this density of this physical state, which is about as far away as you can get from that original oneness. And our job is to regather the pieces and they say Tikun to heal, to rectify and reunite

all the shards of light. And it's a healing journey, basically. And so cabala is a system of how do we go through that healing journey. And a part of it is like how do you heal your own soul from your own traumas and your own shattering moments in life so that you can be part of that, right? How we can be part of embodying more and more and more of that total spirit into this physical life. So cabala I find is very practical. It's how to live it.

It's how to embody it. But at the same time, how do we ascend? How do we take this earth and our physical experience to a higher state of being? So we're going through this alchemical, spiritual alchemy kind of transformational journey as we explore through the system that Kabbalah gives us. And it works with the tree of life is probably the most famous sort of glyph or geometry that it works with. But it also works with the cube and it works with various other geometries. the murkabah. So there's different sacred geometries that come into the study of Kabbalah. We work with numbers, right? So math, not necessarily math. Yeah, there's a lot of numerology in it, right?

And how numbers sync up with letters. Right. Yeah. And so the different letters of the Hebrew alphabet have a number associated with them. And so then different letter combinations become like these formulas that are trying to reveal an essence, but the essence is figured out through the number. So you would take like all the letters, their numbers that are associated, add them up, and then you have a number that, a total number for each word. And then if you have words that have similar numbers, then there's a hidden meaning between them. So there's this whole study in Kabbalah, in the Judeaic Kabbalah more so of the Jamatria, right, which is like the hidden code within the Torah.

It's like how do we decode the Torah from the original Hebrew to the numbers and then find hidden connections between passages and words. That part of it isn't something that I've like dove into as much. I've studied Kabbalah more from a hermetic Kabbalah perspective. So rather than studying it in relationship to the Torah and the Judaic system, and instead of being tied to one religious approach to it, we're looking at it as a universal system. It's its own thing.

And how does it apply to you? How does it apply to understanding the universe? How can we live it without necessarily, having to be, you know, subscribed to a particular religious doctrine. For example, at one point, when I was moving away from neutrino physics and exploring, okay, what would I want to do instead to do my dissertation work on, I was already on, you know, kind of going through my spiritual reawakening process. And I thought, well, I've loved to study consciousness.

Like I would love to get into the biophysics intersections with neural, you know, neuroscience and consciousness correlates. And I went to the department chair in physics at the time. And I said, well, you know, I'd love to be able to study that. And he said, please do not embarrass this department with such soft science. So I thought, wow, okay. Yeah. There was no room for even like a legitimate scientific research in the field of consciousness.

at that time. I think it's changed a lot since then. I'll just say that. I mean, I graduated from with my PhD in 2008, and I think that since then, there's, there's a lot more interdisciplinary and a lot more room for this conversation now, which I'm really relieved to see. But I was just a little bit before that time where, you know, there's the, the newest intersections of interdisciplinary work was becoming more funded, right? It just, it's really where the fundings at is what gets researched. Right. That's fascinating. It's sad. I saw an interview with a well-noted scientist on a well-noted podcast, and he was fascinating this guy, and he was doing incredible work in biology. And at the end, the podcaster was asking, like, but what does it all mean? Like, and what is the

meaning of life and what ramifications does this have for death or whatever? And the scientist was completely lost at those questions. Just like, I don't know what you mean. mean. I mean, I'm studying this and I do the next experiment and it leads me to this and I'm interested if we go here or if we go here. Yeah, but what is it all, how does it all add up to? Yeah, but I'm studying this. You know, it's very kind of a tunnel focused. Yeah. About, you know, the progress of your. Yeah. I would say that physicists in particular, but scientists in general, they get, they become specialists, right, in one field. And then, they drill deep, deep, deep, deep, deep into that one field. But yes, it can become very tunnel vision.

In the Baha'i faith tradition, Baha'u'llah, the founder of the Baha'i faith, says, avoid studying anything that begins in words and ends in words. And it's a very general prescription. Yeah. And it's hard to say what exactly that means it's for us own to make our own discernment, you know, our own judgment of what that is. But we certainly know that there are a lot of academic courses of studies that just end up people publishing in their own publications and then publishing again and republishing and quoting from that publication to another publication and just the same, you know, eight dozen people reading the papers and it begins in words and ends in words. Yeah.

But at the same time, we know that quantum mechanics has also led to computers and cell phones and space travel and satellites. And so some of those actual aspects of science have led to some of the most rapid technological advances that humanity has ever encountered. Definitely. I mean, we're in this time right now of not even just exponential growth. We're in a vertical time in terms of the technological changes that are coming to us from science.

So we're living through another scientific revolution. right now as we speak, which I think is very exciting time. But it can also, for some people, be really nerve-wracking time because the pace of change is so fast that it can be really hard to keep up with. And the world that we knew is no longer the world that we're living in. And even in five to ten years is going to be different yet again. I mean, science has done a lot of good for the world. And what I ultimately realized is that, okay, our scientific knowledge is advancing and our technological applications are advancing, and it's driving our world now more and more,

but where's the wisdom? Right. And if our knowledge and our technological application is outpacing our wisdom, then we're in trouble because science will tend to be, if it loses a sense of morality and wisdom guiding it, it'll tend to just get weaponized or just be utilized for selfish gain.

Knowledge alone is not enough, and it's not just about knowledge, right? It's got to be something that we can apply towards the good of the whole, something that towards a higher purpose. There's got to be something that brings deeper meaning behind why we're doing all of this versus just the pure sake of advancing knowledge. And that's why I shifted gears because I realized that we actually have all the technology, all the strategies, all the solutions, all the resources that we need on the planet right

now to make this world a much better place and make the baseline, of living much higher than it is right now around the world, but we don't apply it. And the reason we don't apply it is a lack of human will. That there's people who want that, but then it's not enough people, right? And I feel that there needs to be a shift in human consciousness to then take the tools, the resources, the strategies, and apply it, have a desire to apply it for the good the whole rather than just for the selfish national-based advantage. Right. The gain.

Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, it's interesting because we have a lot of God conversations on the podcast. And one of the big questions that comes up a lot is this concept, philosophical concept of theodicy, which is like the purpose of suffering. Why is there suffering? If there is an all good benevolent God, why is there so much suffering in the world? But so little conversation happens about like, okay, that's. valuable conversation. Let's definitely look at that, metaphysically, spiritually, psychologically,

et cetera. But what about the fact that we could eliminate so much suffering right now if we have the will that you're speaking about? I mean, if we took all of our time, energy, and resources that we spend on, you know, defensive systems and drone technologies and missiles and what have you, and put that towards cancer research and, you know, longevity research and infant mortality and, you know, curing diseases. There's so many diseases that we know how to eliminate malaria right now. Actually, curing, not just treating. Yeah.

Yeah. And absolutely eliminating and food distribution and, you know, making sure that no one is starving to death, that everyone has fresh water. humanity could 100% do that probably in like three years. Yeah, exactly. If we had the will to do that and so much suffering. What percentage of suffering would just go out the window if we took care of these things? Yeah. And, you know, when people kind of ask the question, well, why would, if God is benevolent, why would God let this happen, right? These bad things. But my question is, why do you let it happen? Like, why do humans let it happen? Because it is ultimately around human behavior

and human action and human will and how we tend to be so ego-driven versus, you know, altruistically driven. And there are good people out there who are very altruistic. But, you know, the programming that we go through and the mindset that we're raised on, which is very old paradigm mindset, yet we still are educating our kids, you know, from early ages up, you know, like we have this Darwinian sort of competition mindset. We have this Newtonian scientific rationalism, reductionism, determined as a control. These kinds of frames of mind are what we're still operating on, which are a couple hundred years old. And yet, and we know that they're not actually the fundamental truth. And yet we're still educating people from that as their foundational level

of training up as they get programmed through school. And so I think that if we could just change the mindset, you know, instead of all of us thinking of ourselves as separate, if we start thinking of ourselves as all connected, like we're all connected, we're one. Instead of thinking that everything can be controlled, there's always uncertainty. These are quantum principles that come in, and yet we can see it in a universal context as well. Like, we always have uncertainty to deal with in life. Instead of thinking of everything can be reduced to its parts, recognizing that, no, the parts form a whole and there's a synergy through the interaction of the various parts that causes something different to emerge than just, you know,

like a clockwork kind of gears, you know, in the old machine. And instead of thinking of everything is matter first, like if we can look at consciousness is first or spirit is first, and then that's a really important part of the equation. Don't separate it out, but let's try and reunify these things. These are, I think, some fundamental shifts in the framework, the mental framework, that we could help educate people from the ground up with. And we would move forward, perceiving the world through those lenses and create a very different kind of society as a result. So it's really, it's not about God. It's about humans and the mindsets and the, you know, how much are we being ego-driven and thinking of ourselves is so separate. that is the root of the problem and then human will as a result of that, that's the root of the

problem. It's not about God causing people to suffer. Yeah. It's amen, sister. I'm with you 100% on that and a lot of those ideas I touch on in Soul Boom. It's interesting. There was this thing in the news recently where there had been a real life Lord of the Flies that happened. And it happened in the South China. sea in one of those islands out there. I don't know if it was Tonga or Samoa or something like that where these kids, a bunch of teenagers got a sailboat, got lost, crashed landed on an island and were stuck on this island, these teenagers. And what did they do? Well, according to Lord of the Flies and William Golding, they would start forming a cult and eat each other and hunt and the worst

parts of their nature would come out. And they would just be cruel and savage and that's because that's what humans do. And this is part of our mythology. Yeah. But what did these kids do? They cooperate. They cooperated. They worked together and they sacrificed for one another and they ended up like building another boat and then they got rescued or what have you. But we see that there was kind of the very best parts of human nature shown. And you see that in the Nazi death camps. But again, like you said, we raise our children to think of this, you know, it's a dog-eat-dog world, a backstab, every man for himself, don't tread on me, kind of way of living. Well, what's interesting is that Darwinism is a myth, right? So this survival of the fittest

idea was not actually what Darwin put forward. He put, it's the elimination of the weakest, but he had far more references to cooperation than he did the competition in his book on natural selection. So it was actually maybe a PR-type person, you know, a branding type person who said, oh, it sounds better if we say it's survival of the fittest than elimination of the weakest. And there was a bit of elitist mentality, you know, it was during the time of the British Empire building and so forth. And so that social Darwinism became the myth that we then started building our world on. Is there any truth to this idea of manifestation? I think we're manifesting all the time to take something from the realm of an idea

and to brainstorming it and envisioning it and bringing it into full form within your mind. But then from there, we got a plan, right? How are we going to make that happen? And we have to take action ultimately. things are not going to manifest if we're not taking some kind of physical action in this physical world. Our thought, our consciousness is part of a quantum field. It is a quantum field, but we have to bring real coherence and real clarity into that process. And we can inform the quantum field. And that might set forces in motion from a higher plane into the physical. You know, in ancient tradition, they would say

magic is spoken. We have to speak the words. We have to. bring vibration, sound influences physical matter, physical density, but then there is still actions that are being taken, even if it's through the speaking of it into being. But I think even just affirmation alone isn't enough if your actions are not aligning with those words and those thoughts, right? So we have to be coherent and aligned in all of levels.

You can manifest all you want, but if you're getting stone and playing video games all day long And that's your life. Good luck. Too bad, sucker. I have a certain set of values that want me to do this certain thing. And I find my behavior always veering off into this other way of being. Right.

Addiction is a great example of that, you know. No one intends to kind of like destroy their lives with drugs and alcohol or gambling or shopping or whatever. They know better, but they can't help them. Yeah, exactly. And the wiring takes over rather than the prefrontal cortex. Yeah. Ultimately, that comes down to will again. Do they have the will? Can they harness and focus the will to make a change? But they got to get to that place where maybe it's a severe wake-up call or many wake-up calls before they finally go, okay, enough is enough. I would push back a little bit on the will part. I think you're right. You do have to get to a certain point.

But I think they've, for most addicts, I know myself when I was in those phases, it's, I kept trying to use will. Like, will, I mean, will it, but it was never enough because it's like the rider on the horse or the rider on the elephant. The elephant would always like take off in the direction of the waterhole, you know, whether I wanted it to or not. But then there's an odd thing, I'm we're getting off track here, but there's an odd thing about addiction where it's in surrender. Yeah. So it's a different kind of will. I think we define will. So it's not, yeah, not a, yeah, not a.

Not the ego's will. Not will power, but a deep, higher will. A deep surrender that allows for the white flag of surrender actually allows for some return to, as it says in the AI big book, reason, choice, insanity. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the ego needs to surrender to the higher divine, you know. But that higher will, that divine will comes in.

And then it's a fundamental change versus just, you know, a conscious level of change. Yeah, a very dear friend of mine, I was expressing some frustrations about my professional life and some projects that were falling apart and whatnot. And this person was like, well, I want to pray for you because I really believe that prayer can help manifest things. You know, what do you want me to specifically pray for? And I was like, I want you to pray for God's will to be done. I don't know what that looks like. Maybe it was meant to be that these projects kind of fell apart that I had put so much

work into. Maybe there's something better around the corner. And I do think that in all the spiritual traditions and in a 12 step blue book, big book, it's kind of like, thy will not mind be done. And connecting to thy will not mind be done, often I have experienced doors opening. from that communion. Yeah. Looking back on it when you were studying crystals as a potential starting point for some

organization of life on earth, what were you struck with? Was there some kind of mystery? Was there some profundity that you came to understand through the studying of crystals that stays with you to this day? Mm-hmm. Well, first of all, I like that crystals. do store information through their defect structure, but also through their crystal lattice, and that information can be transferred, whether from one generation of crystal to the next,

like if one becomes the seed of the next generation. But also, as I was sharing, that the more that the information stored in the defects is actually the more interesting information than the crystal structure, the perfection. So for example, Most of the functional uses that we have in crystals, like quartz crystals, for example, that are used in our watches, it's the Piazoelectric effect. The Piazoelectric effect is considered a defect because we're stressing the crystal structure with this mechanical shear, and it's only through that that we then have some functional kind of aspect that comes out of it.

The colors of crystals are almost always due to defects. So every single crystal is unique. And what makes it so unique is its defects. And yet those defects are also what give it its properties that make it one of a kind or that make it useful. And so I think that we can learn a lot again from the defects of the crystals and considering our own defects. We think of them as something to hide or judge, but in reality, they're the gifts that we

have to bring to the world. What are your defects that you're working on right now in the crystal of yourself? Well, defects would be one trusting, you know, that what I am doing in really pursuing this process of bridging science and spirit and really trying to work with the quantum principles as a framework, trusting that this is it, you know, that this is correct. And instead of second guessing myself, like I very often have second guess myself. And I think my upbringing, you know, I've always had questions and curiosity, but I, I've always also had doubt. And I think that the doubt kind of spurs the questioning, but then fortunately the curiosity keeps me going.

So, you know, I don't think there's anything wrong with doubt, but we have to learn to tame it. We have to learn to like, okay, I'm listening to that, but I'm not letting it rule me. I'm not letting it drive everything that I do, right? But it still can be, it can cause us to question, and I think questioning is good. This episode is brought to you by Fetzer. You know, there's this tendency in modern life to believe that every problem has a material solution. More technology, more productivity, more money, more apps reminding you to breathe while you ignore the fact that your soul feels like a raisin.

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and psychologically two weeks of practicing meditation we already see rewiring of the brain happening as the mind quiets down the heart is tuned into more the heart is its own brain it's got neurons and glial cells and so forth in it and and that is the center is of compassion within us. So they tune in more to that space and feeling that. When you're in your head, you're just in thought all the time. Believe me. Yeah. That's the story of my life. And be more empathetic, right? The empathy that being empathic towards the feelings of others comes through the heart. One question we ask every guest is how do you define the word soul? You're someone who works with the soul professionally.

How would you define it? What does that word mean to you? So to me, I have a different definition between spirit and soul. So from my tradition, we have spirit, soul, and body. Spirit is like your eternal self, the intelligence, the who you are eternally. Soul is this mediator between that spirit self and physical body. So it's like your operating system. Your mind works through it.

And we have certain, the soul is learning along the way, right? So it's kind of learning through this life experience as our body is as well. But the spirit is the eternal self. So kind of like a computer analogy. You have your user, the intelligence, you have your hardware, and then you have your operating system with all the application files and the data files and the memory and so forth, all of that software is like the soul. I love that.

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