Soul Boom - Rainn Opens Hunter Biden's $LAPTOP

Episode Date: September 24, 2026

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Has there been another person in the history of the world with greater public humiliation than you? No, I don't think so. I think you take the award. My digital life for 20 years without context or preamble, utilized by the most vicious people in politics in the history of the world. It was all about my dad. None of it was about me. But I was the one on the front page of the New York Post smoking a crack pipe. Six months ago, they were talking about me in purely negative terms.

And six months later, whether it's a joke or not, if people are asking whether or not I'm going to run for president. And that can fuck up your head if you let it. We have to kind of get to a little bit of the mid-y-gritty here. I personally was very disappointed to hear about your crypto venture and laptop and how it collapsed. And I want to give you a chance to speak for yourself. How do you justify what you did and the choices you made around it? Okay. So number one, it hasn't completely crashed and burn. That's 80% of 20,000 deals that were done in the first 24 hours. People lost money. Hey there, it's me, Rain Wilson, and I want to dig into the human experience. I want to have conversations about a spiritual revolution. Let's get deep with our favorite thinkers, friends, and

entertainers about life, meaning, and idiocy. Welcome to the Soul Boom podcast. A quick shout out to our sponsors. Zok-Docke. Cowboy Colostrum, Fetzer. Links and promo codes on the screen and in the description. Enjoy the show. Biden, welcome to Soul Boom. I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for having me. This is not what I saw on my bingo card was you sitting here across from me,

but I'm really excited to talk to you about many things. Likewise, thank you for having me. How's your dad doing? See, I answer this question and everybody, it's as if they've heard me say, well, like he has stage four cancer. And I'm like, you know, Hunter Biden is, you know, I mean, there was a whole big thing when I said that his cancer had spread to his bones.

That's metastatic bone cancer. People didn't realize that I think spread and metastasize is the same word. It's the same word, which was the original diagnosis. His stage four prostate cancer has been treated very successfully. And his PSA, I think, is down to a zero through radiation. and his team of doctors at University of Pennsylvania and Jefferson have done an incredible job. Metastatic bone cancer, however, is a very different thing. You can only treat it by stopping it from continuing to spread, and that takes hormone therapy.

And hormone therapy is basically when they bring your testosterone down to zero. And it is a really uncomfortable thing for any man to go through, for anyone to go through. And there's a whole host of other things. It's just from fatigue to, you know, soreness and things like that. That I said everybody, I wish he would complain more. But, you know, but other than that, I mean, other than that. Yeah, but he's good. He's good.

And, you know, he calls me and asked me how I'm doing, you know. And it's tough. You know, one of the things that my mom said to me at one point, It was really interesting. She said, how is it that there's not a book about, you know, what are we, you know, like what are the instructions as we get old, as we grow old together, as your parents get older, as your, you know, your spouse gets older, you know, like the, like, what do expect when we're expecting, what to expect, you know, and the most important kind of, and it,

and it's really interesting because it's all a mystery, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. My wife and I now share senior moments now that we're both in our 60s. Kind of like, who's the guy who was in the thing? You know, the show with the guy and he's the detective and the, oh, yeah, and the act. Who's the actor with the, yeah, who's the, what's the name? And then we're both on our phones going to like, oh, Ed Harris.

That's who. You know, we get to, yeah, it's very true. We have to kind of get to a little bit of the nitty gritty here. Yeah. I personally was very disappointed to hear about your crypto venture and laptop and how it collapsed. Yeah. And I want to give you a chance to speak for yourself. But you're talking about like doing your duty and making choices.

Like, how did you come to the idea that this was going to be a great idea? Yeah. Even though it's crashed and burned across any kind of political or public figure who's done it. And even people that we don't know that this this atmosphere of crypto ventures is, it's grotesque and chaotic. And how do you justify what you did and the choices you made around it? Okay. So number one, it hasn't completely crashed and burn. So it still exists.

And so let me tell you the structure. How much is one meme coin of right now of laptop? It's had an FDV of about $252 million. And so it still has significant value that's left in it. But let me explain the whole thing. Okay. Because you're right. Is that number one is that the tokenomics, what they call it, of my coin, are literally

flip or the reverse of every other celebrity meme coin and thing that's been out there. So just so you understand is that instead of 80% or 90% or 90%, percent going all to the insiders? There's 30 percent of my coin that remains with the insiders to provide for liquidity at the end of the day, of which nobody can take any money out for two years. Okay. So nobody in the community. So I don't benefit in any way. Now, what it does do, though, is that in the immediate, I was able to give ultimately over the first three months what we will give away is 20 percent of the entire value of the coin to community, directly to people, no strings attached. So there's a charitable component. No, that's just that. And then there's

a charitable component, a minimum of 5%, up to potentially 35%, more likely it'll be in the 20% of all the charity. So if this coin hit, okay, and still today, say to say that FDV, you just do the math. Say it's 10% that goes to charity. I don't know what FTV is. FTV, the fully diluted value over the course of the coin when you were able to start to divest and extract the money for whatever purpose for the charity. So 10%? What is that? $20 million I get to give to charity or $2 million or whatever it may be. It is an enormous upside and benefit to the things that I truly, truly, truly care about.

And what I wanted to do more than anything as a believer in cryptocurrency, because I truly do believe in cryptocurrency in the blockchain. Absolutely. You do. Yeah, 100%. And we can go into that. another discussion. But I come to it honestly from that perspective. I wanted to troll Trump. I wanted to show that you could do this in a way that you actually gave money to people rather than a purely massive action. But it hasn't. No, but it hasn't. No. Millions of people think.

Yes. By the way, millions of people think that you just tried to game the system the same as one of the Trumps. Okay. And here's the deal. And everyone has lost their wallets. And again, not being defensive about it because I appreciate where you come from, is this. Is that what happened in the first minute of the launch of the coin is what you do is you provide liquidity to a market maker. And that market maker is responsible for basically buying and selling the coin on the open market. And they have to put liquidity into the market. So we gave them 15.5 million tokens and a cash value of a million.

to put into liquidity, into the pool. They put in 30,000 tokens and $5,000. So when one person made a $10 purchase of the coin or a $20 worth the value of the coin, the coin went from $50 million where we launched it at to $23 billion. And then another person came in and made, you know, a couple other purchase at the coin at that price,

and it shot up to $316 billion in market cap. Higher artificially than any other token has ever gone by, I think, like probably a factor of five. And this is larger than the market cap. This is a bad thing. Oh, yeah, horrible. And so in the first 30 seconds. Now, in that 30 seconds, three minutes later, it comes down 99.5 percent because they got

the liquidity back into the market and then it started trading. And it continues after hour one. trading exactly as it's supposed to trade now. And so it exists. That artificial is this. And so here's the deal. Unlike any of those other motherfuckers that launched coins and then walked away from it and said, like, I didn't know what I was getting myself into and this is a bullshit thing. And I, you know, like, I don't know what the fuck they were talking about. This is my responsibility. 100%. I was literally involved in the mechanics of it, the making of it, the structure of it from the beginning of the time in which we thought about doing this. And ultimately, at the end of the day,

it's my responsibility. So what I'm going to do is I will literally show completely transparently every single wallet that traded on it, to make it clear that no one that has any control over this coin has made any money in it. And anybody that lost money in it, I'm going to be able to identify and hopefully make right. And so- Well, that's 80% of 20,000 deals that were done the first 24 hours, people who lost money. Yeah, exactly. But by the way, it's very limited. So 95% of the trading that occurred that caused that, it was all bots.

So what they call snipers. It was literally not even human beings. And so of the real people, I'm going to figure it out and take it. And people can hold me to account for it, because you're absolutely right. Is that I've spent six months being what I feel like. is almost uniquely radically honest about, you know, everything.

And I'm going to be uniquely radically honest about that. That's great. And people can, and you're right, man, but here it is. You know what? I swear to God, it's like that thing you said. Well, is there, is there an ego part about this? Yeah.

Is there a money part? Is it an opportunity to do good and well and at the same time or do well and good at the same time? Could I make the argument that this literally a meme coin is a joke? It's the whole conception of it. It's like a trading card. It has no value. Don't buy my coin.

Literally, I go to everybody. It said, don't buy my coin. The first video that I did on the coin was supposed to launch. And it was supposed to this was the video. Fuck Donald Trump. Fuck Don Jr. Fuck Eric. Fuck Melani.

Fuck Melani's coin. Fuck the Trump coin. I mean, it was like this whole thing. And obviously what ended up happening was the worst possible scenario. If you had the worst possible mistake that this market maker was gross negligence on their part could have done.

Is there a lawsuit there? Potentially, yeah. And yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. But I want them to make it right. I want them to make it right. And so, but you're right, man. But that's all well and good. And I love the transparency and that you're trying to make things right.

And unlike so many other meme coins that have been dropped. Yeah. But, you know, I do question, you know, for an addict to enter a world that is so addict ridden, you know, this roller coaster of crypto. It feels a little bit like Hunter Biden's gambling app, you know. Yeah. And I take that. It's a little bit like the world. bigs of Las Vegas.

Yeah. And, you know, I love the idea of you as painting for 12 hours a day. And I know you got to make some money. You got to support your family. Yeah. But, yeah, I understand that. It's, again, you know. Although I was going to have a Dwight Shrewd-themed meme coin called Beatcoin.

Yeah. I actually looked into Beatcoin. Yeah. And then I was like, yeah, I'm not going to, I'm not going to get in. I'm not going to go in this direction. Yeah. I just thought it was such a fucking great troll. and jump and I still do think that it could be.

And, but I, yeah, you know what? That's the thing too, is that I make choices and now I got, not now, as any other time, is that one of the things that I know is this, is that I got to own them. You got to live with the consequences. And I got to live with the consequences. And I've found that the only real way that I can live with the consequences and live with myself is to, you know, like open the commoto, you know, which I've done. Literally and figuratively.

So for me and this one, everybody will get to see every single thing from an independent third party within, hopefully within the week of every single trade. I hope to be able to make everything right. And I'm absolutely certain that the coin itself still has the. the ability to do what I set out and the intention that I had for it. And so, yeah. All right. Yeah.

I try to avoid partisan politics on the show. We can't help but slip into it occasionally. But you have been such a champion of an advocate of Americans coming together on a deeper level. And you have said time and time again, we are not as divided as it has being painted that we are. Yeah. And what do we do? What are the next steps?

How do we heal these divisions? Yeah. Yeah. I think through talking to each other, you know, I mean, one of the reasons that I've gone and talked on platforms with people that I vehemently disagree with is for that exact reason, is to model that. And I've lost some friends over it.

Or maybe not lost friends, friends are very upset with me. You go on so-and-so show. I go on Tucker show. on this, that, another thing. Exactly. And they're obviously racist, so you're platforming a racist. How dare you? Yeah.

Forget the fact that I don't have my, you know, a platform. But I, but, you know, and I get it. I think part of what I feel is this, is that those who are sincere in their, in their apology or sincere in their having kind of woken up to the reality of this leadership that we currently have deserve our grace. Doesn't mean that people shouldn't be held accountable. It doesn't mean that there shouldn't be any reconciliation that occurs in the future by virtue of what it is, which I think is a sin, what they're doing to something that I deeply,

deeply care about. And that's this country in our constitutional republic. And the idea that we all have a shared kind of response. responsibility to each other. And if you don't realize that that shared responsibility applies to everyone and not just your cohort, then what are the, what are our chances for a future? Like, I have to believe that we aren't nearly divided. And I know that we aren't by virtue of being out there. Yeah. And just in your own life.

And that's what... When you speak to people, you know, on the street, we're all just human beings, are all Americans. I mean, there's some just jackasses out there. Sure. They're just jackasses and they're generally all on X. Yeah, they're all on X. And they're, that people who revel in the cruelty, okay?

And fuck them. You know what I mean? But really, if you think about it from... Anonymously revel in the cruelty. Some of them anonymously and almost, yes, almost all of them anonymously and usually. But the reality is, it's just, I want people to reflect upon their own lives in which they are exist in the world. And the truth of the matter is, is that nine out of ten people that you come into contact

with any given day, you know, are decent good people. Like that would pull you out of traffic if you know. or return your phone if you left it at the counter at Starbucks. Or that would get up and give you their seat on the subway if you had a cast on. I really believe that. And I also believe this. Just look at the issues. If you just look at the polling.

What is it? 85% of people, 75% of people believe that we should have a health care system in which people have access to emergency medical care and preventative medicine. Like the rest of the industrialized world, you know, 85% of the people believe, and you can go down that list. I can make a list of 10. I work a lot in climate change. And, you know, 60, 65% of Americans think that it's a very real threat and a very real issue

and are willing to make some sacrifices and spend some money around it. Yeah. But meanwhile, and I think what this current administration does really well is kind of now the debate is like, is Trump's name going to be on the campaign? Kennedy Center or not. And that's all just kind of like, look over here, look over here, Trump's name on the Kennedy Center. What they're doing is they're dismantling the Environmental Protection Agency. And in so doing, they're making a lot of money. And it's this underhanded way of undermining, you know, our grandchildren's future on the planet, our national parks, you know, our natural resources. Yeah, exactly. And we're all looking at,

like, is his name going to go on the Kennedy Center? But the EPA has just been absolutely. gutted and no one that doesn't even make the papers yeah he's going to invade greenland and look over here look over here yeah and and uh you know i tear down the the east wing and and i put a cage match on the on the on the on the south lawn i own this place you know what i mean and and try to tell me any different meanwhile you know our our voting rights are being you know got at the same by the way what you pointed out what they've done to the EPA what they've done to the FDA what they've done to all of these letter agencies that 95% of people could name what the letters stand for. And I'm not saying because they're dumb. It's just because they haven't taken for granted and they've been working in the

background for decades. Your clean air, your clean water, your parks. Look at what they're doing to the parks right now. And if we attribute it all to just simple like kind of a cruelty of stupidity, we're missing the point. It's all about money. It's all about power. It's all about a very, very few people in this country. And that's the thing, by the way. Who does all this benefit? There are 948, I think, is the latest number of families that are in the United States of America that are truly billionaires. Yeah.

Okay. 948 out of 350 million of us. And they hold an inordinate, inordinate amount of power. And I always point out to people is that the distance between being in the 1% and the 0.1% is like the distance between here and Pluto, not the moon, not even Mount Everest. It is, and, you know, top 1% of income owners in this country make $750,000 a year, which if you live where we are right now is, you know. It's nice middle class income.

It really is. And I really mean it in the sense of, and people that are making 150, we go, well, what the fuck are you talking about? That's rich. But, you know, really, you know, you had three kids and a, and a, you have. and a four-bedroom house in Sherman Oaks and, you know, send a private school and, you know, have two cars and, you know, commute to downtown Illinois. Like, like, you're spending all that money. But that's your top 1% of incomers.

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curtain call the critics are relieved standing ovation because he takes loans off of this equity and the companies as he's allowed to and i'm not saying they're breaking any laws but the income tax is the vast majority of the revenue of this country so we're taking that revenue from working people and um and what we're doing is we're providing for tax cuts for corporations and the top 0.05%. And we have a $40 trillion debt. And you know what? And that's the reason why we can't pay for health care for people.

That's the reason that 90% is anybody happy with the way that insurance companies work? And the health care system works today in the United States of America? No one is. No one. It doesn't matter whether you don't pay for it, zero for it, or you're paying the $9,800 to get a CAT scan to see whether or not, you know, that lump on your breast is X, Y, or C. And you can get that appointment in three weeks.

And if you miss it by five minutes, you've got to wait another month for all of us. So not to be partisan in this, I think that so much of what we're talking about now, it has nothing to do with partisanship. It has to do with a realization. that the entirety of the policy debate that occurs in Washington, D.C., is completely funded and co-opted and controlled by a literal handful of individuals in corporations that have an in inordinate amount of power in directing the debate or what even comes up for debate by the way in which they fund political parties.

This whole idea when you say politicians are corrupt is everybody has this old, boss, you know, a tweed kind of like are Huey. Backroom cigar. You're like giving them envelopes and, you know, they're, you know, it's not. They're funding campaigns. They're controlling the narrative of entire political parties by virtue of, a great example. And I don't know how much time we have to talk about this. But I think that the greatest example is this.

God, I always forget her name. But she was the whistleblower from Facebook that came to testify. in 2023 about the exponential growth of teen suicide and mental health issues, especially among adolescent girls. You got it. Yeah. Meta, Facebook did its own internal investigation, very, very deep one. And they concluded that yes.

She was right. She was, that all of these documents showed that it's exactly what was happening. They were responsible for this, for killing our daughters. Yeah. You know what they did? did? Nothing. Buried it. Nothing. And you know what? Congress did?

Nothing. Yeah. Now, if you don't think that we're controlled by moneyed interest, then how do you explain that? How is it possible we are allowing them to get away with what we, and they know, are directly responsible for killing kids? Yeah. I mean, it's like, oh my God. And you could say, well, that would never happen with like a chemical company.

If there was a chemical that was killing tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of youth. But it does. It happens all the time. It happens all the time. I think one of the solutions, and maybe this is how you can help, I'm going to give you a mission, you know, it has to do with how we get our information. And this kind of bifurcation of the Fox News kind of versus MS. NBC where people just don't trust news sources or else they sign up for it and like you turn on Fox and it's like there's a migrant caravan of of trans democratic socialists coming over the

border and everyone's like and they buy it hook line and sinker willingly engage with that could there be created a trusted news source and the the point of that news that news sources like we are going to be center. We're going to show both sides. Whatever information we deliver is going to be 100% verified. We're going to kind of approach news with integrity that we don't have anything like that. I mean, I subscribe to the AP. I think AP is really good. It's a great place. That's all I get. It's the only thing I should. It headline. You just get the information. God bless them. But couldn't there be something. Like, couldn't there be folks like yourself and, you know, other, you know, journalists and, and, and media experts backing something like this because people are being pulled in so many different directions that you, you don't trust the information that's coming in.

I don't know. You would know better than I, whether there's a business model for that. I'm just a stupid actor. No, but that's not true. You've been out here. Part of it has to do with the business model of media, not just a new media, the old media, the combination of the two. What they really figured out, what, you know, what's just a new media? name at Fox figured out a long time ago is um not Murdoch but the the guy that did Fox News uh that passed away anyway is well they both figured out is it's all entertainment they don't even purport to be a news uh uh provider they purport to be an entertainment company and um and so that's the real question and is there a space for unbiased you know I mean there's by the way there's there are organizations out there, like ground news and others,

and I don't know which one's better than the other one, but I've seen them like advertised and then gone to look at them where they give you like a meter to whether how biased this reporting was from whatever source and things like that. But you would think so, and until we figure that out,

we're fucked to a certain degree because we all are prisoners of our own algorithms. Me included, by the way. You know, I used to like make a joke remember West Wing? Sure. I would watch West Wing and, you know, in real time. And you'd be like, hey, you know, the next three days later, you go,

whatever happened to that aircraft carrier that was, you know, stranded in the Straits of Moose, you would realize it was like a storyline from West Wing. My point being is these brainworms, I mean, talk about brainwarners, RFCK, But these ideas that are now fed to us, like my algorithm, I forget what the story was, but I was like, can you believe? And somebody was like to me, like, that's not true. It was AI and it was this, that, the other thing. But we're all victims of it.

And you can completely disconnect from it or I don't know. And I don't have an answer for that. But we better come up with one really soon. And here's the thing about AI, is that as much as I do not discount the Armageddon and apocalyptic view that many people have as relates to what AI could do, which obviously, if we ever do reach superintelligence, is real because we have no idea. But I really do believe that there is the opposite side of it. There is the Star Trek narrative.

Utopian narrative. The utopian narrative in which, who knows, is that maybe that it is, there is a, at its core, a benevolence. And that benevolence leads to the, to solving these types of problems and solving problems as it relates to climate change. If AI could solve the energy crisis.

But by the way, what other choice do we have than the hope right now? I mean, we have crossed the Rubicon, you know, I mean, and it is we, the tipping point has occurred. What if AI could cure cancer? What if AI could cure cancer and all of these questions of things? What if AI could really figure out a way to solve our education crisis in this, in the world, let alone the country? So you have all of these really beautiful possibilities that may exist out there. And what I believe it takes is leadership. And the question is, I think in many ways, we have the worst leadership at the most critical moment in the history of the planet.

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live in. What an incredibly disorienting time to live in. I think so many people feel that. I also think this, man, is that we still haven't dealt with the emotional baggage that obviously still exists for particularly young kids as it relates to what happened during COVID. I mean, they lost years of their, of central pieces of, their education and their social life. And in all of this, like more than any time, at least in my life, is I believe in two things. One, there's nothing new under the sun. Two is that it certainly feels like something new under the sun is about to occur.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I have that feeling. It's like I always say to everybody, like, man, you want to talk about a time in American history where things were tough. Let me tell you about post-Civil War reconstruction to Andrew Johnson and Jim Crow and losing 100 years of the potential for progress for an entire population in this country. Let me tell you about hard times. You want to talk about political turmoil. And, you know, let's talk about the murder of Dr. King.

Martin Luther, I mean, Malcolm X and Bobby Kennedy all within a year of each other. And only four years after the assassination of John F. Kennedy. And only three years, four years before Watergate. You know what I mean? Like we, like all of this. But there's something very, very, it seems to me, like materially different about what's going on. And part of that is this, is that I don't think that Donald Trump. Trump is necessarily only a symptom of a disease.

I think that he is a singular catalyst in many ways that has unleashed a darkness that is, and I really mean it. And I don't want to like hyperboise and things, but I really do really feel like there's this sense of like up is down, black is white. And I think that he's far more than a symptom. I think that he is, you know, and the other analogy is patient zero. He's not patient zero. He is the carrier.

He is, has infected all of us, I think, in a way that has been really, really, really detrimental. Here's my body. Here's my hot take. Here's my hot take. I'm not going to say I disagree with you. But I will say this. the way the political system has been set up in the United States with two parties having all of this power in collecting hundreds of millions of dollars and influencing policy and having kind of corruption and personal gain being woven within it where winning an election is far more important than being any kind of public service has led to this point. There is a corruption.

in the system itself that, of course, is going to lead to some kind of authoritarian, you know, billionaire being an office saying they know the best way and providing a kind of leadership that a lot of Americans want because kind of a bull in the China shop kind of leadership. We were headed in this direction. And it, the partisan politics and the way that it's greased with money, And the way that it runs this country is corrupt to its core and is leading to the increased divisions that we see because it's essentially the New York Giants and the Philadelphia Eagles. And they hate each other, even though they don't know each other. And there's this constant, you know, it's all a battle for power.

And so this is why we're here right now. I couldn't agree more. So my point is, I guess what I was trying to say is that all it, not all it took, but what it took was for the most narcissistic, sociopathic individual ever to enter politics to figure out how to game in the system. To rip the mask off in a way that I don't know. And I have to believe because I'm an eternal optimist that maybe this is a great thing. maybe fundamentally we will get change by virtue of the fact that he's made it clear that

unless we change we are we're done for like the idea that um that anyone thinks that we can return to the status quo which creates the anger that i have for instance within my own party with certain people in in in my own party with kind of the corporate structure of my own party that's kind of the darling of the media you know the the the mainstream media and the you know the editorial page at the board of the New York Times and the you know all of that is that I have no faith whatsoever and and I 100% agree with your analysis completely and and I think there is a real receptive audience out there that is now kind of standing outside the the partisan now does that mean you can create a third party and all this bullshit and things like that

I'd have no idea. I don't think. I don't know what it looks like. But I don't think it's a third party. I think it's 17 parties. Yeah, I think that if you just go out there and, you know, speak, you know, as long, if, like, I think, like, take, for instance, Thomas Massey, okay, as a, as a, as a, as a human being and a person. And I probably disagree with 95% of the votes. I don't know.

Oh, he's the guy in Republican that, you know, Trump hates because he's called for the release of the Epstein files. and he went against Trump on the, you know, the Warren Iran. The Epstein files. I forgot about those pesky things. Yeah, exactly. And so basically he was excommunicated. They, you know, they primaried him and he lost his primary, you know, in a district in which he won by 50, you know, percent before. But he's voted with Trump 98 percent of the time.

But he believes in the constitutional republic. He believes in the rule of law. And so, therefore, he does not fit. in their world. And my point is, I can even support somebody like that. But remember, that's not what people are voting on. In the last election, they spent, I forget, where there was over three, I screw up numbers all the time,

$300 million or $3 billion. I think it was like 75% of their advertising in the four of the seven battleground states. We're all about one issue. Trans women in sports. You know how many trans people are in the United States of America? 0.3, maybe 0.5% of that. You know how many trans athletes play in high school sports?

I think total of like right now, like maybe four or three in which it's question whether or not they actually can play or not that are attempting to. Yeah. Seven, I think at 1.7 out of 350 million Americans, is there anybody that you know that has, that, that on their list of things that they're concerned about? for their own daily lives and making it through is trans people? It's insane. But they literally convinced everybody of their voters, of the people that, you know,

that this was the singular issue. I mean, they talk about shit like that all the time. You know, they're eating the cats and dogs. Everybody thought, like, what a stupid thing to say about Haitian, you know, immigrants and all of our people on our side. And because with the cruelty of that and, you know, dehumanizing people and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the other side said, ah, it's funny.

And the other side said, you know, it's real. It's what's happening. And meanwhile, you know, they're literally changing laws that are make it far less safe for us to access clean water and clean air. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to affect millions and millions and millions. people. Again, look over here. Let's talk about trans athletes and people eating dogs and cats.

And down here, we're going to be doing all of this manipulation. And by the way, and I told you, there are migrant caravans of socialist trans athletes headed this way right now. Let's show it on the map. Yeah. Hey, everybody, make sure to click subscribe. It's right over here somewhere. Please, pretty please. It would help us at Soul Boom so much. Click subscribe. You've been on the podcast circuit and discussed all kinds of things. You're talking about the Democratic Party and you talk about Trump and you talk about the laptop and what you've been through and the politics and so admire all the conversations you've been having

with people kind of a little bit outside of your comfort zone. Yeah. As you were speaking, I was thinking like, has there been another person in the history of the world with greater public humiliation than you? No, I don't think so. I think you take the award. Yeah. I was trying to think of who else it could possibly be.

Total ego destruction. Yeah. Complete and utter. Which is what the meditators and Risha Keshe are trying to achieve. 100. Over decades. They're trying to obliterate their ego from an entirely different path. Exactly.

And you had it done for you. Yeah. And so those seven years could either be done it the way that I went through or in that cave. And I really mean it. And so. And you wouldn't wish this on your worst enemy. You know, speaking of like the Bill and W. in the book and the sources that there's a text that I always return to it.

I don't want to be too, like, esoteric because I listen to it on tape. Don't worry. I'm like, you know, I mean, it's not. But the. You're not that smart is what you're saying. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I really mean it.

Is it the Bhagavagata Gita. And I don't know if you know, but I listen to it over and over and over again because it's exactly what it's. says and it's what 3500 years ago and it incorporates all of these things and you have arjuna with khrana and they have this discussion on the battlefield and he's basically like you don't matter do your duty do the next right thing because this is all happened it will all happen again it is all foretold and it never happened it doesn't matter do your duty and whatever your duty you may be is do the next right thing. And that's so, I mean, as much as my ego was completely

destroyed is that, of course, slowly finds its way back in, it creeps in. And you think, well, maybe, you know, I should do this or, you know, I should do that or, you know, I have to worry about, you know, paying the bills and what, you know, and, you know, I want to correct everything. And also, by the way, in the part of family, you know, my family, the people that love you, they want the world to see the person that they love. And so there's a desire to like, you know, doing it for them kind of thing. And I realize, I'm going on these shows, it doesn't matter. Do you know what I mean?

I mean, what doesn't matter is this, is that the only thing that, matters is telling my story. The only thing that I've ever walked away from any interviews like this is to be able to have these discussions with the hope that one person, literally, that the hope that one person watches this, and they make it through the day. And what more could you aspire to as a human being than that? Now, that being said, you still have to live in the world and you still have to engage in, you know, you still have to pay your bills and you still have to do things like that. And figuring out how to do that without your ego dominating every decision you make is the part that I'm still working on. If you went back in time 20 years ago, 25 years ago,

you know, I was reading your bio. It's pretty insane. I had no idea you have like all these degrees and work experience and the board of Amtrak and stock trading and, you know, You know, incredible work experience that I had no idea. I only heard about, like, Ukrainian oil company. But what was your entitlement like back in those years? Is that something that you can look at, that you've fully addressed? Because there does seem to be like a lot of doors were open to you because your dad was a senator. Yeah, partly.

And you went to a lot of, like, the top, you know, Ivy leagues. and whatnot and you were in the halls of power and a lot of doors open for you. 100%. Look, I am a son of a United States senator. I'm white and I'm six foot one and I graduated from Yale Law School. A lot of doors open for you.

100%. And that's just the truth. And anybody that kind of, I think, tries to be defensive about that. It's like, what do you want me to say? Yeah. It's just reality. Yeah, this is my reality.

The question is, is what do you do with it? And there's where it becomes complicated with me. So for a very long period of my life is that I did really esteemable things. I built really, really, I built my own business. I, for a long period of time, I'm almost exclusively represented Jesuit universities who were doing things like, you know, deploying mobile dental clinics in inner city, Detroit, and having, you know, or teachers program in Overbrook in the worst neighborhood in Philadelphia and things like that. And I did well with that. And that was my world. None of this can necessarily

be blamed on addiction, but it certainly can be blamed on the addict ego, which was, is that the idea that I had to do more and that I had to be more and I had to make more. It was never enough. There was never enough. And I can remember when that kind of took hold. It's after my dad became vice president. And I, by the way, I worked my ass off. I mean, I was married and had a child all through law school.

I paid my own way through law school. I paid off all my college loans myself. We didn't have any family money. My dad was famously the most, the poorest man, not just in the Senate, but in the least assets of all 535 members of both the House in the Senate. And so, you know, and he did well, made $160,000 a year. But you know what? That's not enough to pay for your son's down payment on a home or this or that or college or whatever or law school. And so, but like again, nobody gives a shit.

I mean, I can. He should have gotten in with the Saudis earlier. Come on. But by the way, is, so after my dad became vice president, I think I made a really fatal error. And I moved to D.C. And it was really difficult for me to navigate that. I wasn't of that world. And so I didn't want to be a part of that world.

But there was a, you know, like all of the opportunities, you know, were surrounded things that were D.C. eccentric and I would try to avoid them and avoid them. And ultimately at the end of the day, it led me to a, you know, a decision by perception, by the way, a perception that in this moment in time, it's like you've got to be kidding me, the level of hypocrisy to join a board that I was fully qualified to join. And I was chairman of the board of many major, major organizations. And multi-billion-dollar organizations. And I was a lawyer and focused on corporate governance was one of the largest and most prestigious law firms in the world. And so I was eminently qualified. But it is a snake's pit that I entered into in the last year and a half of my dad being president. And I rationalized

the decision because I would be transparent about it, which I was. I let I released a press release that I was joining the board and that it was the last year and a half. My dad was never going to be in politics again. Remember, Hillary Clinton was going to be our next president? And my family would be out of politics. My brother had, when I agreed to do it, had been diagnosed with glioblastoma stage four. And he had months to live at best. And so I wanted to spend the time with him.

And it was an enormous amount of money. and it gave me the opportunity to be able to do that. These are all decisions that I made, all rationalizations that I made. And what did it do? It opened me up to a completely fictional narrative that they were able to then use, you know, because remember, I didn't do any business

when my dad was president, none. I mean, I literally sold paintings. Made about $200,000 a year selling paintings. The furthest thing from politics that I could possibly imagine. So that decision, though, gave them a very easy narrative to paint. Corruption, the corrupt Biden crime family. Exactly.

And it was exactly the opposite of reality. And that's what they needed. Because the person that they feared most to run against, in which they were right, was Joe Biden. And the reason that they feared him, because I don't think that they've ever been, to people more diametrically opposed as human beings than Donald Trump and Joe Biden. And every election, people, I always say this to people. You think it's about policy. You think it's about, it's literally just about a choice.

It's about a choice. And at the end of the day, what you feel about, you know, a certain provision in the tax code is not going to motivate somebody to go. they will look and they have to make a choice between two people. And Joe Biden, as a man, such a clear, better choice than Donald Trump. And so they, I mean, they focused in on me. I, you know, and they tore my life up. I mean, they not just turned it upside down.

they they tore me in pieces and scattered me to the wind yeah yeah yeah i was i was thought like wait no the corruption isn't over here the corruption is over here with the crack pipe do you know what i mean which yeah do you know what i'm saying no i do and that's exactly what they did and so what you what you got was they painted a picture and they painted a picture on the front page of the new york post almost on a daily basis beginning in 2020 in October of 2020 of Hunter Biden shirtless looking despondent and almost suicidal with a crack pipe hanging out of his mouth in a motel room. And they ran those pictures over and over again. And then you flipped inside and it was like the perfect, you know, talk about political crack.

You know what I mean? It was like, you know, it was nude pictures of me with women, consensual. adults but you know but still it didn't matter it was like sex drugs and politics man and here it is you can find it all in one place and and and in this character of this human being and and then let me show you the the the text message that the awful text message that he sent to his mom at four o'clock in the in the in the you know from a motel from a motel in which she's trying to send somebody to save me and I call her a horrible name I still cry about that I mean just Or, hey, here's the voicemail.

His dad left him at 3 o'clock in the morning saying how much he loves him and he just doesn't know what to do in crying on the phone. Which is beautiful. My producer put that question in here. Yeah. Your dad said, I love you more than the whole world, pal. I am here no matter what you need. This dad, I call him telling me, I love you.

I love you more than the whole world, pal. I got to get some help. I don't know what to do. I know. You don't either. I'm here, no matter what you need. No matter what you need. I love you.

And they played that to humiliate you. Over and over. Over and over. Over and over again. Sean Hannity and all of them. When you hear that now, what does it bring up for you? You know, that? Oh, my, so, he's so beautiful.

It's okay. Whoever's going to see this clip, whatever you think about my dad, he is a really beautiful person. Yeah. And he was there a few throughout all of these ups and downs and all of these. Still is. Still is. Yeah. Yeah.

That's amazing. Yeah, I think, I know for myself, there's a kind of entitlement. And I keep going back to this because I think it's something I'm dealing with myself and trying to get over where any time there's something in my head that go, the rules don't apply to me or I want what I want when I want it. Anything in that vaguely in that circle leads to some really out of control addictive kind of bit. Maybe it doesn't like a relapse or something like that, but just getting back into an addictive mode of thinking and being. being in the world. And that's what I have to resist day in and day out. And you brought it up before shame,

I think brings you there. I also think perfectionism brings you there. It's interesting. And shame and perfectionism are kind of two sides of this coin. Yeah. This makes me feel bad about myself, but oh, if I can be perfect, then I'll negate this shame.

And then you fail of being perfect and brings you back to shame. Like, oh, but the answer is to be perfect. Oh, I'm gonna be perfect on this. And this has bounced as opposed to just being another bozo on the bus. Yeah. Who is, you know, I, this group therapist that I've worked with, a bunch over the years with this men's group always says,

like, I'm a mistake making human and I'm an unrepeatable miracle of the universe. And I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they, you know, it's the wisdom of, of, uh,

of a lot of the program is you know i i always bristled against the idea of just being another actor in the play you know what i mean that whole you know piece that they have in the writing is um is i didn't bullshit i'm the author i'm gonna write my own story i'm gonna do that and and um and uh and and this ego uh at least for me um and for the longest time i didn't understand that and i thought that you know by the way which is a lot of people understandably um really bristle against the idea that you're this powerless piece of uh that we often talk about yeah program and i understand the debate around it um but for me uh admitting that you're not in control of the grand scheme of things is um

is not giving up power as you, your ego is telling you. Yeah. It's just literally coming to the conclusion is that figuring out what is that wisdom between what I can change and what I can't change. You play a unique role in the midst of all of this Hunter, and I just wish you the very best in continuing the dialogue

and trying to bring people together. And I do think, and one of the missions of soul boom, is to ignite a spiritual revolution because I do think that it is our souls, our common humanity, our shared love of what's sacred, of what unites us that can work. I have to. I have to believe that there is that kind of Star Trek utopia on the other side of this morass that we're currently in. Yeah. But we have to also find the people that are working to unite, finding those precious points of unity between the two sides and bringing people together. You're one of the people kind of uniquely charged and situated to be able to continue those conversations and just applaud you for doing it. Keep going, man.

Wow, that means the world to me. I really mean that. No. Plus, we don't have money for bunkers, so we got to believe that. Yeah. Yeah. That we can keep everybody on top side and loving each other. Well, I hope that your crypto coin comes back up so that you have the money for a bunker. Yeah, a bunker, exactly.

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