Spinning Plates with Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Episode 160: Genevieve Turley

Episode Date: June 30, 2025

Genevieve Turley is a make up artist who posts funny content online, making light of makeup tutorials and not taking her self seriously at all.We talked about how wearing makeup makes us both happy. She told me about her career in the RAF, her IVF journey and her life now, doing bridal makeup and creating comedy content online.Genevieve has two children aged 6 and 7, and after a 3 year renovation project with her husband Richard, they are at last close to moving into their family home.We also discovered a mutual love of an Urban Decay eye colour called Acid Rain, still in my makeup drawer, decades after I first bought it! Spinning Plates is presented by Sophie Ellis-Bextor, produced by Claire Jones and post-production by Richard Jones. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Sophie Ellis-Bexter and welcome to Spinning Plates, the podcast where I speak to busy working women who also happen to be mothers about how they make it work. I'm a singer and I've released seven albums in between having my five sons aged 16 months to 16 years, so I spin a few plates myself. Being a mother can be the most amazing thing, but can also be hard to find time for yourself and your own ambitions I want to be a bit nosy and see how other people balance everything. Welcome to spinning plates. Hey, hey Greetings from a god incredibly muggy Sunday I am in my garden. I

Woke up this morning in Amsterdam and I was so deeply asleep. I woke up this morning in Amsterdam. And I was so deeply asleep, I can't remember where on earth I was. But I was there because yesterday I did a festival with Noel Rogers in the Netherlands in a place called Tilburg Spore Park Live. And it was lovely actually, great crowd. We come back to, Hot London, took the kids to see How to Train Your Dragon and just had a nice supper together. I've got all five at home in the moment so sweet. Yeah I'm just feeling excited about summer

holidays. I don't know about how you guys are doing with your small people if you have small people in your life but I've had one finish for the summer, one finishes on Friday, and I think I've got another two weeks for the little two. Can't wait actually, I'm in the mood for summer holiday, I think it's because we've been having so many heat waves in London, blimey. Yeah, what else has been happening? I went away last week with Richard, just the two of us, for our wedding anniversary. It was our 20th wedding anniversary, so I think that deserves a bit of something special. And it was lovely, actually. So nice. And now I'm not flying anywhere or going

anywhere or anywhere overnight for a few weeks, and I'm really glad because I love... I've been having so many adventures, but I just was pining to have some time at home now, which is what's happening. And yeah, this is the last episode of this podcast series, flown by as 10 weeks, really whizzes sometimes. And I've had a lovely time recording it, and I'm just starting to think about the next one because it gets a bit tricky over the summer because everybody's away for August, including

me doing bits and bobs. So yeah, I will make sure when I come back, which will realistically be September now, I will have everything ready for you. Some lovely people. And some of you have been messaging me with suggestions for guests. Honestly, I adore it. Thank you so much, it really helps. Anyway this week's guest is, she's a makeup artist called Genevieve Turley and maybe you know her, maybe you follow

her. I think she's really funny online because she does sort of um she like pokes fun gently at other makeup tutorials and she does it really well and it's sort of warm-hearted and yeah i've just always enjoyed watching her and another one of those people really where you feel like you know them before you meet and so i've been following for a while and the more I learned about her the more I thought, oh this is an interesting journey she's had actually because she was in the RAF. She was a nurse in the RAF and then went towards makeup which was actually her passion, her love. So that's intriguing. She and her partner, husband Richard, are also doing a renovation project at the moment. They've got two kids, aged six and seven, and she has her online work and also she does a lot of bridal makeup.

So we talked about loads of things. Excuse me. Nursing, makeup, IVF, renovations. And yeah, it's a lovely, warm, fun chat to end this series on. So thanks, Genevieve, and I'm going to leave you with it. And I'll see you on the other side. See you in a minute. Enjoy. Genevieve, it's really lovely to meet you today. So nice to be here. As often happens when people arrive here, I feel like I have already got a bit of a relationship with you and then we launch straight into so many conversations before we press record.

So I'm thinking, where should we start? I think a good place to start is often the here and now. So what is going on in your life at the moment? What's going on in your life professionally? Why don't we start with that? So look, it's all a bit chaotic at the moment, if I'm being honest. I'm sort of just in lots of different areas and it's all really exciting. I'm just trying to catch up with everything.

So at the moment I am in the middle of bridal season, so I have got my brides to look after. I've also just finished filming with Katie Piper for ITV, so that was really exciting. And I've been approached about writing a book, so I need to really pull my finger out and write the proposal for that. It's all in my head as everything is.

And then, you know, trying to do the social media and the content, which I feel, because of filming, I wasn't able to do as much of, as I would normally like doing. So this last week I was like, right, I'm going to do a bit more of that. But what's really nice is I'm doing a podcast with you today and I've got a podcast tomorrow. And I like these, these are really lovely because it's lovely to chat with people

and I love listening to podcasts as well. So it's always nice to come and have a chum wag. Yeah, and that is exactly it. It's just a conversation which I feel like for me has given me so much, I always feel so much better for having an uninterrupted chat. It's nice. And you've also got your renovation, I'm guessing as well with all the...

Yeah, I've forgotten about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pretty major. You're also building your home. Building a home. Yeah. I mean, I will say my husband very much has taken the reins on that. I turn up every so often and just kind of go, what are we doing there? And when does that happen? Sounds like my kind of renovating to be fair. Yeah, occasionally he'll just ask me my opinion on skirting boards of which I couldn't care less about. I know, the board, I'm just like, you can decide that.

And he's like, okay. Yeah. And then he was like, shall I just, and I said, no, you don't get to decide everything. You can decide the skirting boards without me having to choose anything. But he's brilliant. He just goes in and cracks on. He's a real hard work. He's a real grafter.

So he has taken the reins on that a lot so I can just do silly content online. It sounds like a perfect relationship. And come here and have a lovely chat and have a cup of tea. And he can work hard on the house. Perfect. I wonder what he's doing right now. I know. Covered in he's doing right now. I know, yeah. Covered in dust.

Sorry, Rich. Yeah. Some kind of heavy machinery and whatnot. But having a great time because this is what he loves doing. He loves renovating. He loves using his brain and making decisions and things. So although it can be stressful and it can be difficult. And when it was winter and he was in this house,

freezing cold, you know, I can imagine that was pretty miserable. He'd come back as an ice block. But he does enjoy this, is what he really wanted to do. So I'm, yeah, I am really grateful to him that he does so much of it, but I do know that he does enjoy it as well. Yeah, and also, you know, you're building the home, there's the practical much of it, but I do know that he does enjoy it as well. Yeah, and also, you know, building the home, there's the practical side of it, but it's

also about all the emotions of what home is. And I know this is a relationship you've had with this house for years now, building up to this bit, where you're actually, you know, you're still not living there, but you're creating all the little pictures you have in your head of what you want. And that involves the kids and how they'll interact with the house and how you as a family... How it will evolve for us as a family. Is it growing for... Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, not a growing family. I don't intend to have any more children, but how it will grow for us. And when you're making decisions like the kitchen, whilst they're young, we'll probably have them here. But as they get older, they'll probably use this space like this. And so that's really nice. And as you say, creating a home and because this has been such a long, bloody project, so for those of you who may not be aware, we had the offer accepted years ago, like over three years ago, and we've been living with my sister,

with my mom, living in rental accommodation. So we haven't had a sense of a home for a really long time. And actually that has affected us both because the house just like cooking, we've got no joy cooking in that kitchen. It's just joyless. There's stuff everywhere because we've never actually put shelves up. We haven't got any lampshades

because we thought we'd be there for six months. So it's not a home at all. In fact, we don't enjoy being there. It's cold. It's got no personality. It's just not nice. So we're so excited to finally have a home again. I mean, first world problems. We have a house to live in and, you know, all of that. And we're very lucky. But that sense of a home where we want to invite people over, you know, because we like to host and we love to do things like that. So I've missed that, sitting in a nice garden. Yeah, and also the way you make decisions in a home. I totally get that because this was the first house

that I knew we weren't going to leave anytime soon. And it meant that, you know, you could say, I'm going to paint the wall that colour, or I'm going to do that wallpaper, or I'm going to do those things, because I'm going to have the time to enjoy it afterwards, rather than thinking whoever moves in next is going to have it for longer than me. Claire I can see what you're doing and I'm going to find it for you because that's just not going to work.

I don't think she's listening again I think I tracked her. There's two in here. They're so naughty. These are my kittens and they are so freaking naughty. Oh yeah, because one of your cats, you had a litter didn't you? Yes, so this cat that I'm trying to get out from underneath here, she's supposed to go to my biggest boy and he's just kind of gone off the idea. This is his cat and this one's ours. So funny. Look, I'm going to your uncle. How many cats do you have?

So I used to have one and then I got a brother and sister while Richard was on tour and I think he's gonna be a bit jolly and then one of them got pregnant and had cats and kept them from then. We ended up keeping more. I'm actually gonna put this in front of those wagglers so they don't crash them.

I think they pushed it open the door. And they'd be trapped in by logo. I'm so sorry. Don't be silly. Don't feel the drugs. If you were in the middle of a very serious conversation. Yeah, if you were in... Meow!

That could have been like horrific. Um, I think I could easily talk to you the whole time just about house stuff anyway, because I'm quite into all that stuff too. You are, and your house is stunning. And as soon as I walked in I was like, I'll show you all the all my wallpaper. I'm gonna have to have more of tour and I'll be like your house is like a Pinterest board. It's incredible. It's incredible. Yeah I don't even know what's going on with half of it at the moment. I mean I'd hate to dust the sides. You know what I say to that just don't bother., I'm with you. I'm with you, yeah.

But the other thing I really love is makeup. So can I talk to you about... Ah! You've no idea how many screenshots of your face are on my phone. Really? Honestly. Eyeshadow colors. And I've talked a lot about you.

I was talking about you to Trini. Really? Yeah, yeah. I was saying how you just, your makeup is always so creative. Like I always say to people, there are no rules. Just wear what makes you happy. And I always say, you are the epitome of that.

You wear the sparkles, you wear colors that technically you shouldn't wear to, you know, they shouldn't work, but you clearly enjoy it and you wear it well and you wear it with confidence. So it works. But you've always done that for a long time. Yeah, I think my relationship with makeup, and this might resonate with you, started when I was really little and the first time I sort of started experimenting and realized that really there's not that many rules anyway. You can try different things in different

places. If a product says it's for one thing, you can try it somewhere else. There was one time when I got this close to putting nail varnish on my eyelid. I'm really glad I stopped there. I was like, this is a great color. Fyi, my mouth is wide open. It was probably an audible gasp. I was like, this is a great color, nail varnish. I'm just going to... And I literally got the brush up to like a couple of centimeters. This might not be a good idea. I think this might be too much.

But I remember I had like a really sparkly lipstick and I would put that near my eyes and things like that. And I think there are, there's so much fun to be had. But what about you? When, what's your, because I'm guessing from what I've heard you speak about with your relationship with makeup that even though we will talk about it a bit, you've had other careers. Makeup has been a quite essential part of what you took. Yeah. I remember going into my mom's... Well, my parents had this beautiful ensuite and they had

the mirror with the light bulbs around. And it was this amazing space with the vanity. It was beautiful. And my mom isn't a big makeup wearer. She was never big on makeup. She always goes, well, I don't know where your obsession from lotions and potions came from, because it wasn't from me.

But she did have a few bits and bobs. And I used to go in and just not do makeup looks. I used to sort of do like tribal stuff, because I was just like, ooh, this is, you know, really young. Ooh, this is cool. And then I remember asking for like my sixth birthday for a makeup table with makeup and I got this plastic set and I was frantically trying to drag this lipstick across my lips and I was like, damn it, why is there no color on it? And of course it's plastic and everything was plastic and I was like, oh no, I don't want plastic, I want real.

And my friend Alice is a real, she's always been a real tomboy and when we were like seven, she always laughs about this. She'd always want to play football. She'd always be in her goalkeeper kit and want to play football and I'd always be like, can we do makeovers? She's like, no, let's go to play football. She'd always be in her goalkeeper kit and want to play football. And I'd always be like, can we do makeovers? She's like, no, let's go and play football. I was like, let's do makeovers. So I was always that friend.

And on a night out, I was always the friend who did your makeup. Perfect. Always loved it. Just, you know, I remember Urban Decay had a color called like acid rain. You'd have loved it. It was a lime.

I had that. Did you? You mean the eyeshadow? Yeah. Yeah, I had that. It's a great color. I've probably still got it. You probably still, yeah.

It's a long one, but Urban Decay, if you still make it. So let's bring it back. And yeah, I loved makeup. And then I always thought I would go off and be a makeup artist. That was the plan. And then I always wanted to go traveling as well. So I went traveling, thinking I'll come back

and then go to London and do makeup. But then I kept traveling. And then after three years, my parents were like, I think at some point you need to make a plan. And my sister was a doctor at this point and I'd always done care work to get money together. So I worked with people with learning difficulties or dementia. So is your sister older than you?

Yeah, she's three years older than me and I've got a brother who's six years older than me. He's not medical at all. And she said, look Jen, you really love the care side of things. You love looking after people and caring for them. And she said, you love travel, so why don't you be a nurse and then you can travel the world but get paid. So I thought, yeah, right, do that. So went off and did nursing. And then my dad had wanted to be in the Air Force, but didn't pass the exams to be a pilot. And he said, why don't you think about joining the Air Force?

You love sport, you want to travel, you want to, you know, you're not afraid of, I suppose, what you could face. So whether that's war or humanitarian aid, which is more what I was thinking, you know, because obviously a lot of people think military, they always think war, but actually they do a huge amount of humanitarian aid as well. So I was like, you're up to that then. Just don't know. So then I spent a year trying to get into the forces and then, you know, this is the thing.

Then before you know it, I'm just trundling down this road. And then there was a Burns card that came up and I always like wounds. So I know, I know, I know. When you say I always like wounds, do you mean if someone says I hurt myself and you're one of the people that go, show me a picture? Weirdly, no. How do I explain it?

I actually am, by the way. So, no, my husband's toenail fell off the other day and he was like, can you help me? And I was like, no. And he was like, Jen, I'll get it. I was like, no, I can't look at it. And I was like, don't even tell me about it. It's making me crazy.

Toenails are not my thing and eyeballs. Now, I don't. It's really weird. I can't. But if you were like, Jen, I've hurt myself. As in, there's a wound around. I'd be like, OK, let me help it. I'm weird.

I don't know. I'm just trying to get my head around that. Because not many people say I like wounds. No. And when you say that, I actually weird. I don't know. I'm just trying to get my head around that because like when you said, not many people say I like wounds. No, but when you say that I look pretty odd. You do. Well, I'm not squeamish. My grandma was a nurse. I feel like I could have possibly got involved with that. Like you, I like being around people and the nurture. But look, I'm talking in a casual passing thought. What I'm hearing from you is you have all these different... It's not a casual thing to find yourself

a military nurse working in a birth... How did we get here? And so you had this... You're thinking about makeup, but you also thought about travel. So I'm hearing that you're obviously not at all work shy. It's not like something you can just sort of go, yeah, okay, I'll give it a go. You've got to do training and- Oh God, no, I am-

I mean, how long was the, how long did it get from the idea of it to actually finding yourself doing it? So obviously, nursing is three a degree. Then to get into the military, you've got to pass your fitness, your exams, you've got to do presentations. It's quite a big thing to get through. And then you've got to pass basic training, because a lot of people don't realize that nurses have to do basic training the same as every other soldier.

So the military would say you're a soldier first and then a nurse. Wow. So you have to do all your weapons handling, you have to be out in the field and things like that. So you do all of the handling, you have to be out in the field and things like that. So you do all of the same training as everybody else. Grandad was furious that I joined the Air Force because he was a colonel in the army. He was like, why have you joined the Air Force? And then he was like, and why are you not an officer?

I was like, well, Grandad, I'm going in the ranks. That's what I'm doing. So he was utterly like, and then he kept saying, she's in the army. I was like, well, I'm not. He was like, she's in the army, okay. Well, I guess you did mean it is part of- Yeah, everyone always goes on forces. Yeah, it's all part of the forces.

But if you said that to someone in the forces, they're like, no, it's all different. There's always hierarchies. Absolutely, yeah. And lingo, but from my point of view, it's all- It's all the same. Yeah, it's the same sort of thing. Well, it's all wildly impressive as well. It sounds a lot more impressive than it actually...

The reality of what my situation was, was very different to what I thought it was going to be. It's so not what I thought it was going to be, sadly. But once I got in and jumped through all those hoops, I then... You do a rotation for a year, so you can't be deployed anywhere in that year. And that's when Afghanistan was starting to wind down a bit. for a year, so you can't be deployed anywhere in that year. And that's when Afghanistan was starting to wind down a bit. So they then put out a burns card saying we need burns specialist nurses. And I was like, oh, do you know what?

That is me. I definitely want to do that. So then I went back to university and specialized in burns. So again, not deployable. And then I met Rich around that time as well. And then there just weren't opportunities to particularly go anywhere, like I was needed on the wards a lot. Where were you stationed then?

So at this point I'm down at East Grinstead in Surrey. I mean you were always UK based? I stayed there once I was there, yeah. So I was in the Air Force for seven, eight years and I never went on an aircraft. Oh. Yeah. That's not how I would imagine that working. No.

It was not what I imagined. I put myself forward for loads of things and unfortunately, without going into too much detail, you were at the mercy of your line manager. And if you have someone in the hierarchy who is not great, which is me putting it incredibly lightly, they can make your life as miserable as they want. And unfortunately, my life was made pretty miserable. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah.

And the thing that's frustrating is I am somebody who, if I have issue with somebody, I think it's good to sit down and be like, right, let's hash this out because I'm a bit, I'm, you know, there's issues here. You can't do that. You can't do it. Because it's some kind of code. Hierarchy.

You can't, you just, they're an officer, you're in the ranks, it's just a difficult thing. And because we were so small where we were, my NHS colleagues, beautiful, absolutely loved them. I loved the hospital, I's just a difficult thing. And because we were so small where we were, my NHS colleagues, beautiful, absolutely loved them. I loved the hospital. I loved my job. Loved all of those things.

And I was, yeah, I was having a tough time. I was going through IVF and, uh, this one person in particular just made my life a living hell. And I remember being on shift and I was in the middle of my IVF treatment and it was going really, really wrong. And I was an hour away from the hospital where I was having treatment. So to get there for appointments was a nightmare. And this boss texted me, she was kind of harassing me.

And I was in the room with all the wound stuff and I was getting all my bits and I read the text and it was basically just like, you're taking too much of your working days for IVF appointments, so you need to, you owe us time. And I was obviously not in a good place and so I just burst out crying. I think I was actually having a bit of a panic attack and then the ward manager came in and I was like hyperventilating and stuff and she'd had IVF. So she was like, I'm taking you home and I was like no no if she finds out I've gone home it won't be worth my life like I can't she said she can deal with me I'm not having this she was just like this is horrific what's going on with you

right now anyway so things like that were going on luckily my IVF was successful. So was that you just was it was alright maybe too personal? Was it something that took a long time with the lot of rounds or is it? We were so lucky. First round it worked. But it went very wrong in terms of,

I don't know if you've had much experience with IVF or I'm sure you've had friends. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, it's dependent on how many eggs you've got and then where you are in your hormone levels as to how much medication you need at certain times. So often they say the first round, they're sort of working out how your body adjusts. So it's very often that the first round doesn't always work because then they learn so much about your body. It's really, I mean, it showed how much women we don't know our own bodies at all. I mean, I was like a nurse and I was absolutely amazed by what I didn't know. And essentially,

I was expected to have loads of eggs and I had four or five and they said, we're taking you to surgery and then those, they all fertilizedized and then each morning you have to call up and find out if they're still there and they're still okay. So you call up each day and every morning, right, we're down to four, right, we're down to three. And then it was the weekend and they said come in for transfer on the Monday morning early. So we were on the way and on the Friday I had two left. And I said to my husband the way in, on the Friday I had two left and I said to my husband the way in, there you understand that we might get there and they say none have survived and he said well why would they let us come in I said because

they won't give you bad news on the phone so we might have to just get there and know that nothing's gonna happen and we got there and we walked in the consultant was like you've got one and I was like okay you've got one. And I was like, okay. He just went, one is all we ever wanted. One is all we need. And so, yep, and that was our daughter. Yeah. So we were incredibly lucky. I love that one is all we need.

One is all we need. One is all we need. One is all it takes. And we're so lucky. And I honestly, you know, felt we were obviously going to try for another one and we were saving for IVF because once you've had it on the NHS, we were very lucky we had it on the NHS, once you've had a baby on the IVF first round you obviously pay to have more. And it's super expensive, you're looking at five to eight grand depending on your medications

and so on. So we were already saving money towards it and actively trying straight away. And I remember just people saying to me, how do you feel about it? And I said, I feel like we've got everything we ever wanted. You know, if this is all that we get, then we are the luckiest people in the world. Because you get that feeling of, you've lived with it for so long that this might never happen for us having our own, you've lived with it for so long that this might never happen for us, having our own biological child.

We always knew that we would want to be parents somehow, so that was adoption, but we were just like, to actually have our own biological child was amazing. And then when she was 10 months, got pregnant naturally, and then that was our son. So we were so lucky. That's pretty wild isn't it? But I mean it's one thing to have a baby and finally having another one 10 months in on its own regardless of the path that parenthood you've taken.

But I feel we've got to go a little bit into that tiny window of time, that 10 months. Yeah. Because, so at that time you're still working in the military, but you've already handed in your... So, in the military you have to give a year's notice. Okay. A year? A year.

I don't know if they've changed it. This is, what, 2017? I think I handed, yeah, because our daughter was born in 2017. So, yeah, you have to give a year's notice. So I had six months full mat leave, then you have to go back and sort of pay back in service your mat leave. So I tried to do it as cleverly as I could

with working all out. So I tried to do it that I didn't have to go back to work full time for too long. I did it with like my annual leave, I used up annual leave and I used up stuff like that to try and put that into that year's notice as well as my mat leave. So I didn't have to go back for too long. And then the military give you, well, they did back then three months, I think, full pay so that you can essentially give you time to find employment and set yourself

up and things. But I had made the decision that I didn't want to be a nurse in the NHS for several reasons. The military, you are on more money because effectively you are owned by the MOD and you have to do exactly what they say, which is why my life was made pretty miserable. And I'm not saying that's everyone's experience, that was my experience. And, you know, because I was a specialist nurse,

I got a specialist pay. In the NHS, if I'd have gone and become a specialist nurse, my pay wouldn't change. So, you know, my pay would have dropped dramatically. And I just looked at it and I know this sounds awful and I apologize to people who are still doing it and I take my hands off to you. I just saw it as like a black hole of just like, I don't want to do it. I don't want to do that for the next 30, 40 years.

It's such a hard job. It's such a hard job. And I know that people who haven't done it like to go, oh yeah, it's really hard. Oh God. It is so tough out there. And that is pre-pandemic I'm talking about. I haven't been on wards during or since, but I have a lot of friends still nursing and they still are haunted by what happened during COVID and I don't think general society will ever know the depths of what some of these medical people and I'm not just talking nurses or doctors I'm talking everyone who was a part of it. So, so hard, so incredibly hard and I am glad to be out. I do miss the rapport I had with my patients. I miss the morale.

I miss the working with incredible people who are just so damn good at their job. So good. You know, you watch them and you're like in awe of them. Just phenomenal. Like I would trust you to look after my mum, my sister, my... You know, just incredible people. It was a real honour to work alongside some of those people,

but I didn't want that to be what I always did. And I just decided to revisit makeup. I thought, well, why not now? You know, I just have always said, you don't have to do one career your whole life. If there's other things you want to do and you want to go for, you know, just try and work out a way to make it happen.

For some people, it would be easier than others. It wasn't easy for me, but what I did have is support. And, you know, when I remember saying to my dad, my parents are divorced, but I remember saying, I remember being a bit nervous about telling my dad and my mum, which is weird, because they've never been anything other than supportive. But I think, you know, I just, what I was giving up was a safety net and I'd just become

a mum. So when I told my dad, I was like, oh, I'm going to give all that up and I'm going to go self-employed. And he just went, well, you've always wanted to do that. So good for you. You'll make it happen, you know. And And when I told my mum, my mum, because she went, she was essentially, she did work a bit when we were growing up, but she was essentially a stay at home mum. And when my parents got divorced, I remember her always saying to my sister,

and I am so glad you two have careers, because she had to sort of work things out when she was 58. And she said, I'm so glad you've got careers. You know, that makes me feel really safe. So I was like, you know, you've always said, you're really glad I've got careers. You know, that makes me feel really safe. So I was like, you know, you've always said, you're really glad I've got a career. Well, I'm giving that up and I'm going to go self-employed and be totally reliant financially on my husband for a bit.

You know? But she was like, I'm going to buy your first set of makeup brushes. And you know, my mum's always, my mum lives locally to me and she's always, I'm so proud of you. She'll be listening to this, she listens, she watches everything I do, she listens to everything I do.

So hi mum, you're a rock star and I love you. She's always, you know, I'm so proud of you and actually I bumped into one of my mum's friend's sons and he was like, oh, your mum was around my parents the other day and she was like, oh, Genevieve's doing this. And she's like, she's so chuffed for everything that you've done, thinks it's really nice. So I think that's how I was so lucky. I had not a lot financially to go on. We'd done a big renovation, like, you know, two babies. It was really hard. But what I did have in

abundance was people going, yeah, you can totally do that. And that's the key thing. Yeah, well I think especially knowing what I know about makeup artists, that support counts for so much. Not just because of the immediate, you know, you're giving up the career path to do something with lots of ifs, buts, and mays around it. But also because what is quite significant about the dynamic of being a makeup artist with a client is you have to walk in there and basically make them feel reassured that you've got this. So all your insecurities and vulnerabilities about that are still there, but you can't convey any

of it in the job. You are basically effectively on, aren't you? You set it up, you put out your kit, and you turn to them and you go, don't worry, you're in safe hands with me. So your parents and your friends and your siblings going, yes, is about more than just you going, okay, I'm going to just go with it. But also walking into that very intimate space where someone sat there with nothing on their face feeling like, ugh, and saying, I've really got this.

So I think that's wonderful. And also it makes me think that it's interesting that your parenting continues long into your kids being adult because you go to see them and say, I'm going to do this and I'm going great and buying them makeup brushes and everything it's just what great parents. Honestly when people say to me and and people say this who don't personally know me they go oh you've been so lucky and I kind of go yeah I have been really lucky because I was born in England, which is a pretty safe country, and I was born to parents who really wanted me and love me and have protected me. And I was really lucky I was given private education and great opportunity.

And I was really lucky to have great peers in my classroom who have gone on to be dear friends for the last three decades. That is all luck. But my parents did not do my basic training, my parents did not do my degree, my parents did not, you know, do gruelling hours of juggling two babies with no childcare and trying to set up this and doing the next. I did that. I did that. There wasn't luck. That was hard work and graft. And I remember sitting on the sofa.

I just not long had our son. And my daughter was like rolling around on the floor so much she could barely walk. And I was trying to book all these trials in, but anytime I booked a trial in, I had to give one, my mum, one of the kids, my mother-in-law, another one, because it was too much for one of them to have both of them, and that was a huge palaver, so I'd be trying to book in this simple trial,

but the logistics of it were huge, and then I got, I went to bloody soft play and got this raging eye infection. Lovely places, aren't they? Soft play. Oh my god. Yeah, it's not my thing. And I had this horrific eye infection, and so I'd had to postpone all these trials, which was awful. I bet the eye infection just wouldn't care, but three weeks was awful. Just wanted to rip my eye out.

And I remember sitting on the sofa with my mom, and she sat there with her diary open. And I was like, right, mom, we've got to try and do this all again. And then I just suddenly went, do you know what? It's too hard. I can't do it. I can't do this all again. And then I just suddenly went, do you know what? It's too hard. I can't do it. I can't do this, mum. Like I am covered in psoriasis. I am so ill. My eyeball is horrific. Look at that. It was like, look at me. Look at me. And I've got a screaming baby on me here,

you know, daughter just rolling around the floor. And I was like, this is madness. I can't do it. And I just remember she went, okay, and just closed her diary and put it on her lap. And just her doing that, I just was like, no, open your diary, I'm doing it, I can totally do it. And she was like, okay. But I remember that moment of just, this is mental, what am I doing? Why am I doing this?

And of course, it was so brutally hard and I think I always had this ridiculous faith that I would make it all work out. It would all be worth it. And of course, it has all been worth it. And I am able to say that now, we're five years down the line. But if you're listening to this and you're in those,

and I will say the depths when you've got two babies and you are trying to work it all out and make it work between, you know, that's a huge pressure on your marriage at that point. It's a huge pressure on your work if you're trying to have a career. It's a huge pressure as you anyway for just trying to juggle the whole mum situation. That's a lot going on when you've got really small kids. And so yeah, it's all about being surrounded by the right people and just really going, where do I want to be in five years? Because I've got to just push through this really hard bit and then I will, it'll all be worth it. Wow, you're good at the long-term thinking

with that. I've always got a five-year plan. Wow, I like that. Was it smart goals? You know, at uni, they're always like smart goals. I can't remember what they are. Specific, measured, something reasonable. I can't remember. Smart.

Have you heard that? No. I just thought you meant good choices. Smart goals, yeah. I mean, I agree with you. Good goals. No, no, that's how you do them, like smart, measurable. I can't remember.

And I was always like, you have your six-month plan, your year plan, your five-year plan. And how did that work when you found yourself taking the leap of faith? I mean, obviously, I understand you're picturing the five-year time, but the bit where you're saying, I can't do it, and you've got these much long for babies, but then you're also putting yourself out there and taking on the jobs and trying to build your roster. And I mean, how did you give yourself? Oh, and then COVID.

Oh, yes. But when you've got this much long for baby, and then you find out there's going to be another baby, is there a bit where you're thinking, how can I make sure I'm also enjoying this thing I've wanted so much for so long, this family life? How did you trickle that in? Did you just have not even time to really... I don't think I had time to work that out.

I remember sitting at the top of the stairs, heavily pregnant. Our daughter, she was always just rolling around. Why is my image of her always just rolling around? I did pick her up. She wasn't just on the floor all the time. And... She still rolls to school. La la la.

And I remember my husband opening the door and like our front door then you could see straight to the top of the stairs and I was just sat there and he was like, oh my God, are you okay? And I just looked at him and I'm like, what the hell are we going to do? He said, what do you mean? I said, what the hell are we going to do? We've got, I'm not making any money. We haven't got a kitchen. We haven't got a kitchen. We haven't got a kitchen. What are we going to do? I'm not making any money. We haven't got a kitchen.

We haven't got a kitchen. What are we going to do? We were trying to work out if we were going to be accepted for finance in a car because our car had broken down. I said, what? And he was like, just go for a walk. Just walk to the shop, which was like 200 yards away, and just have some fresh air or something.

And he was like, we'll work it out. And then as we were walking back, I got the ding, your finance has been accepted. And I was like, oh, okay, I've got a car. Okay, so we've got a car, so that's great. There was too much going on that I couldn't think about the mum bit, I suppose. I was just trying to work out how we just get

through this bit. And then I did feel that our son's first year, I was like, I haven't enjoyed this. And that's me being really honest. Of course I enjoyed moments of it, but it was... I appreciate your honesty, because I think that's something that I can definitely relate to that. I think we... So much of the motherhood things about talking about when they're little, but actually as we just said about your parents, there's so many chapters. The whole bloody thing.

And I got to really enjoy our daughter as a baby, you know, that I had six full months where I was paid full pay. How many people get that? You know, that's one perk of the military. They've probably taken it away now, but... And I used to... I remember just being in an absolute bubble. This is amazing.

I love this. I enjoyed that. I look back at that so fondly. And I remember just taking to motherhood like a duck to water really, and I remember meeting up with other mums who were clearly struggling. And they'd be like, oh, are you finding this? This is when I used to just lie and say, oh, yeah, it's awful. But that's not really how I felt at all. But I didn't want them to feel that they were doing, it was them.

It was just that she was really straightforward. And I didn't have colicoreflex to deal with, and I didn't have colical reflux to deal with and I didn't have some awful post-traumatic disorder, physical, mental, anything. So I used to just lie. And then when our son was born, I didn't really get to enjoy our daughter as a toddler because I was just trying to juggle so much. And I didn't get to enjoy him particularly as a newborn. But when our daughter did go to school,

I got to enjoy him at that age. So what I tell myself is you've got to really enjoy one of them in that small bit, and you've got to really enjoy the other one in that bit. And neither of them are gonna fucking remember anyway. So why are you giving yourself a hard bloody time over it? Because they won't know. They won't know. They'll just know that they were really super loved and you were trying really hard to create something so that you could really what I've

tried to design is a life that I really wanted for my family, which is that I can be there for pickups and drop-offs and be my own boss so I can make Sports Day and do the nice trip. That's what I wanted and that's what I think I have created. So the ages that the kids will remember is sort of really for and onwards, isn't it? And I think that they'll be like, oh no mum was around and you know probably shouting a lot. Well actually I was thinking one thing as well that we haven't really introduced into

all this but there's also clearly been a sense of humour that's accompanied with everything you do as well which probably helps with weaving it into the stresses. I was wondering as well, I wonder if this is why bridal makeup, because you have to walk into situations that are very high emotion, be this calm force. What is it you like about... That's when nursing comes into it. Yeah, tell me more about that. So a lot of people say to me the transition from nursing to makeup, that's a really crazy jump. But it's funny, lots of the nurses are like, oh there's loads of transferable skills there.

Because you have to walk into a room and you have to be able to read the room really quickly. What does this person need me to be? Do they need me to be a really calm person and set that tone? Do they need me to be quite tactile towards them? Do they need me to get rid of, you know, sometimes bridesmaids are really excitable, aren't they? And you can see that your bride is really terrified.

So you have to try and calm everything down. Sometimes you'll have a challenging mum of the bride. Sometimes all these different things. I once had a bride who was going through something really, you know, sometimes parents aren't there on their wedding day, whether that's through, you know, a family bereavement or it's because there's been a break somewhere in the family. So you try and delicately manage that and that is definitely where nursing comes into it. Yeah. A hundred percent. And don't get me wrong, I have had to do some first aid and I've also had to use my textiles GCSE several times. Always have a sewing kit, please. Oh my God, amazing. And basically, unless the bride's toenails fall off, you're...

Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. So, yes, there are transferable scars, but the biggest thing is, you know, burns are horrendous wounds. They are a split second of someone going about their everyday life. It doesn't matter how big or small they are, they're bloody painful. And it doesn't matter if you've got a small scar for the rest of your life on your hand, or whether you've got, you know, you've got facial scars. A scar is a scar, and that's hard for everyone in different ways. And so I've been around these incredible people who have gone through

such hard changes, being in so much pain. And then we would have to be the first people to put a mirror to them, you know. You've gone through, maybe someone's been wearing a sari and their sari catches light. You can imagine the burns for that. And so showing someone their image for the first time, you have to really hold their hand through that. And then you've got people sitting in your makeup chair who have no idea how lovely they are. And instead of you sort of say, what kind of thing do you want?

Can you cover this? I don't like this, I don't like that. What I have realized is that women have such a broken relationship with their reflection, and for some it's really bad, and for some it's not as bad. And I suppose my experience in burns and plastics, because that was my specialty,

is I've seen women go through really horrific things. And so for me, whenever I have a negative thought about myself, whether that's like body image or the way I look, I think of those women. And so that's where I get my sort of like, oh, doesn't matter. I get asked a lot about how I'm so sort of comfortable with aging.

I'm just like, oh, if you saw what I saw, you wouldn't care. You wouldn't care. I'm so grateful for what my body does every day, because not everyone gets that. I was talking to a friend the other day and she was saying, oh, I really want to run the marathon, but I'm gonna do it when I'm 60. And she's 55. And I said, just do it now. Like do it, why are you waiting? She said, I just think 60 sounds like quite an achievement. I was like, mate, you don't know you're getting to tomorrow, do it now.

And I didn't mean that to be in a really morbid way. And she was like, oh my God, you're right. And I said, we don't have the, we don't know, we've got tomorrow, so sort of seize the day, go for it. We don't know how able we're going to be in a few years time. You know, we always like to think we're invisible, but we're not and nursing shows that.

So I've seen women just really have a bad relationship with themselves. So I really try and communicate with women to sort of not be like, no, you're lovely. You know, that sort of, no, you're not, but just to try and sort of go, you know, do you not realize that you've got beautiful eyes and you might not like your whatever, but let's really focus on your eyes and bring them forward and I really want them to see that

when they look in the mirror that they just go, my god do my eyes do look really beautiful, and that's not vain, it's really important that you like yourself. Oh absolutely, well I was thinking like, firstly I love hearing all the layers you've got to what you do because I realize that's what I enjoy about when I've been following you online is that you've got that generosity and that empathy. So I'm imagining when you're talking to the camera, you're picturing all of these women

the other side of it. Yeah, absolutely. But also I'm thinking what lovely parenting that must lead to as well because it's all the truth but it's all backed up with your life experience. You've actually gone into these very extreme situations and I can't imagine how it must feel to go into someone in a hospital ward and show them their reflection after they've had something life-changing like that. That's a very poignant moment in their life, one that they'll never forget and you've got to be right there with them.

So this all comes from really quite extreme, not everyday occurrences that you've now filtered into wanting to spread good stuff and relationships. And I think that must be what forms the backbone of what's going on with what you do. And I suppose when you were asking about comedy before, I think I make light of things because it's all, it can be a bit serious, I suppose. And definitely, you've got a love of makeup, and I'm sure you follow lots of makeup accounts or whatever.

There's quite a sort of serious tone to it now. This is how we do how we do our makeup and there's rules and don't do it like this, but do it like this. And I was watching all of this going, fuck off. Yeah, because I don't follow it mainly for that reason. I do. Because I've always, I think it's playful. I think if you, it should be like playing and what's the worst that can happen? You put something on and go... And then you wipe it off because you don't... You wipe it off. Exactly. And people, you know, will say to me, I'd love to wear a red lip, but I'm so scared that people would look at me and laugh.

And I think if someone stopped and laughed at a woman who's wearing lipstick, then that woman is a dick. You know? So the chances are either no one would notice because it's a red lip and it's not the big, it's not you're wearing like blue lipstick. And the other thing is, more likely, you'll walk past a woman who'll go, God, she looks great. Exactly. That is the likelihood of the situation. So I suppose the comedy side sort of accidentally came forward because I was just like, let's just lighten this up a bit because it's all gotten a bit intense and and ridiculous and click-baity and

And it's confusing us Millennials. Yeah, and who are going What we meant to be doing? I'm so confused what's going on and do we have to do all these steps and do we need all these products? So I'm sort of there going because I know women, I've had them in front of me, I've looked after them, and I think, no, most women are not after this content. They want to know the basics, and they want some honesty. You know, they want to understand what do they, you know, if they enjoy makeup and they want to feel good,

because makeup is about feeling good, isn't it? It's not just about looking good. I mean, I don't know how you feel, but I'm comfortable being makeup-free. I couldn't care less. I walked down the street, couldn't care less. But I love nothing more when there's an opportunity to sort of go, right, you know,

I'm going to have some fun with my makeup this evening. You know, and then it's playful and fun. So I want women to sort of, well, and men, whoever, to find the joy in it again, enjoy wearing makeup. I mean, there's that five-minute face that you kind of do, do, do, do, do, do really quick in the morning. And then there's the, oh, shall I, shall I, shall I try a smokey eye? Shall I do it? Shall I do a bold lip? Yes. And then just go for it. And I think I've had women messaging me going, I have been nervous of makeup for ages, but you've made me sort of step back in again,

enjoy the process. Or me sort of going, you don't have to contour. So many people are like, I thought I had to contour. No. I don't even really like contouring. I don't either. If I do, it's very subtle. And if I was doing it,

it'd be because I'm wearing a very sort of bronzy sort of look. And that's the emphasis of the look. I can see that it can look incredible. My makeup artist friend Lisa will do it sometimes when we're doing shoots, but me personally, I don't go there. So do you do, when you do shoots, do you do much of your own makeup? I do all my makeup for gigs, so all my stage stuff is always me. It's part of what gets me in the right head space.

Yes. And I love it. And I'll get all my makeup out and I'll like spread it all out and I'm like, what today? I've got my bag of glitters and all my colors. And I try to do a different look every single night. Different colors, so I might do, I might have like a different color glitter

for every city on the tour, for example. But it just gets me in the right headspace. I have a little muck about. I'll think about things. It'll give me a little bit of time to think about the show and what I want to talk about. And I guess it is a bit about playing really and about joy. I'm not always brilliant at it, but I just like the process of it.

But if I'm doing a shoot or a TV or something, then no, that's not really... It's quite unusual if I do that. It's a bit next level for me, that stuff. It's just a bit more layers, isn't it, I suppose, maybe sometimes. And I'm awful at doing my hair, like, spectacularly. Oh my gosh! My husband's always like, why do you... Where's your hairbrush?

I'm like, oh, I just can't do hair. I've turned up for weddings before and a hairstylist hasn't turned up and they go, don't... Why do you, where's your hair brush? I'm like, oh, I just can't do hair. I've turned up for weddings before and like a hairstylist hasn't turned up and they go, don't worry, Genevieve's here. And I've gone, what? No, I can brush your hair. Like I can't do anything.

God, no, I can't even curl hair with GHDs. No one look at me right now, I can't do it. Yeah, I would love to raid your makeup bag. Geez, I bet it is so fun. Oh, I'll show you that. Do any of your brides go for colors or does it tend? No. What about you? What did you do? For my wedding day, red lip. Cool, me too.

Red lip, God, I'm so aligned. Red lip was, so red lip was my thing. And then I had kids and then of course they grab your face all the time, so I just stopped wearing red lips and I will occasionally wear a red lip, but it's, I've gone quite neutral on my lips now to be honest with you. I'm quite like that too. Red lip is quite unusual for me now. It used to be a regular. Yeah. And now as well if I'm made up it means I'm going out every day. It's just not

very much at all. No I am quite minimalist day to day but I like that though because then when you do go to something it's nice to go. I'm gonna have some fun. I couldn't and I don't want it to be a ball and chain. I remember like turning to nursing shift and if you forgot to put make-up you run out of time to put that little bit of makeup on that you did, people are like, oh my God, are you okay? You're all right. I'm like, yes, I'm fine, Sandra.

I just didn't put any mascara on this morning, okay? I'm fine. So there is that thing. I always think if you do wear makeup every day, you've kind of got to commit to it. Otherwise everyone is going to be like, my God, is she all right? I don't know. If you're going to work, if you're not, if you're doing like the school run. I mean

I love watching people do it on the tube. When people do their eyeliner on the tube. I know it's like it's jolting. I think makeup is so much fun and I do think it's like, yeah it's always been my friend really experimenting as well but I think with the bridal stuff, I like the idea of you stepping into these places and having to like navigate and make the space calm and create what's needed there. And sometimes I have to fill a void of, you know, people don't really know what to do. Of course.

So then I do end up getting louder and louder and I'm definitely not bringing the calm, I'm bringing the chaos. But yeah, a lot of my brides, I very much specialise in natural makeup. So a lot of my brides are not makeup wearers and are wanting something. So definitely not going for green sparkly eyes or something. I don't think I've ever had anything particularly wild. I've had the odd, you know, bold lip and things. But it's more I've had people for an evening event

where they want something a bit more fun or they're just quite open to whatever I want to do colour-wise. That's nice, isn't it? It's really nice. It's quite unusual, isn't it, being given free room? Do whatever you want. Yeah. Go wild. Yeah. Do you get, have you had, because obviously you've always done bold makeup. Because to me, your most iconic one was, Mood on the Dance Floor, that look. Yeah, the black tic, the red lips, I mean.

The green sparkly eyeshadow. That for me was like one of the most iconic makeup looks ever. Oh, I will pass on. So who came up with, did you? No, it's Louise Constad. So when I first started making solo videos, I met Lisa Lauder and Louise Constad. At least was doing my hair, Louise doing my makeup.

And they are like lifelong girlfriends of mine now, like over 20 years of friendship, loads of adventures. They're my third boys, godmothers. Oh, nice. And I adore them. And Louise has taught me so much. The way I do my face has been learned from her. And Lisa learned with her. So now Lisa will do my hair and makeup for things. And Louise just works when she wants to because she's in a nice bit where

she's picking and choosing the work. But just absolutely, Louise is good for like an experiment. And the glitter was just so inspired and it looks so beautiful on screen. And then from that, yeah, I've got so many glitters and I'll do the same technique. So did you wear glitters before that? Not really, actually. I've always been, I've always loved what makeup can do. But I don't think glitter makeup was even so much of a thing. To get the stuff we were using back then, it was MAC makeup had these pots of these glitters.

Whereas now it's- I wish I could remember Barry M. That's always my Barry M. Barry M, absolutely. But now it's everywhere, isn't it? Every range has got something twinkly or chrome. It's become a lot more. Have you got a brand that you stick to

or you've just drawn to colors? I don't, I'm not like snooty. I've got like a really big range, but there's a few things which I think are really really good for stage I've got a few tricks and things I can do very quickly as well because sometimes I'll turn up at a festival Yeah, all right, you've got 20 minutes for you on stage or something Yeah, I definitely think there are some brands who are great for base products But another brand is better for eyeshadows and the longevity and things like that.

Yeah. So no, it's good fun. But Urban Decay, yeah. They're still good. They do some fun palettes. They do. I'm going to go and find my acid rain eyeshadow. We're going to nose dive straight into Circular Specs' makeup drawer. But before we do that, I want to thank you because I think there's so many wonderful aspects to is I think there's so many wonderful aspects to where you found yourself. Not least the message of sending out to all those people

who feel maybe the rug has been pulled under them, they're there with the baby here, the other one doing the rolling. Always rolling. Always rolling. And that feeling of what have I done, I don't know if I can do this. I just keep wanting to sort of picturing you reaching back to you five years ago and saying

like, we did it. Yeah, I did. I did think that the other day because I was saying to a friend who we ran the marathon the same day she did Manchester, I did London and she is a marathon runner and she was running for a sub four hour marathon because she's crazy. And it was a really hot day and she didn't get it. And I knew she was going to be really disheartened because obviously she trained so hard and I said to her, just think if you could go back to you five

years ago and say, by the way mate, you're a marathon runner now, that's what you do. She'd be floored by you and also what that's brought to her but the confidence that's brought, she's like changed parts of her career and I said if you could go back and what that's brought to her, but the confidence that's brought, she's like changed parts of her career. And I said, if you could go back and just go and talk to her now and say, this is what you do now and this is where you work, she wouldn't recognize you. So like that's what you need to focus on today,

not the time, but where you are now, where you've got to. And I think that that's really important that where exactly, like you said, right now you might be really in the depths of where you're at, but it's not forever. It's not forever. You might just have to survive for a bit. And it's not all, I wouldn't want to say like survive

for the next few years, because that makes it sound like it's just going to be awful. There's obviously, there was loads of joy in those couple of years, but it was really, really hard. And I'm not afraid of saying that. And I'm not afraid of saying parenthood can be really brutal and it can be really tough on your relationship and finances and everything, because there are people out there who think that they're

alone feeling like that. So you're not alone and it's not forever and you will find yourself again for sure. Yeah. And I think also the significance of having good people around you. Absolutely. So that's vital isn't it?'m thinking of your mum listening at this. Yeah, Fifi. Fifi Massive. She'll be delighted, she'll be sat there like this. Big beam. She'll be like, I wasn't. She'll tell Bridge Club. So funny, after Genevieve left the house, I went upstairs and looked at all my makeup

and I still had so many old bits of makeup after we'd been talking about makeup. I still have like Urban Decay, Acid Rain and all these other makeups we've been talking about. I would have loved to have had a go at being a makeup artist, but I think I might lack the precision because when Genevieve's doing makeup I can see that she's good at just taking her time and making it perfect for someone, especially on their wedding day. I mean, what a pressure. For me, I think I'm just too, too quick, too slapdash, like, you know. But then maybe you learn when it's other people, anyway.

Ha ha ha. Shared passion for sure. And also, how fascinating to hear about Genevieve's experience working as an RAF nurse. And, yeah, just how full on that was. Um, so thank you so much to her. And look, thank you to you. This is episode, well, my 160th guest now.

And that's crazy to me. All spread out over five years. In fact, I probably should have celebrated the fifth birthday of the podcast a little bit. It's all right, I can wait for the 10th maybe. But yeah, what an amazing thing. So happy. I think I refer either out loud or just in my head

to wisdom I have found with these conversations daily. Daily, they've been that influential to me. And especially with my album, Peri Menopop, I don't think I would have made it without doing this podcast. It's funny how all the things link up and lead to that together when you don't expect it. But yeah, thank you to Genevieve. Thank you to all my guests this series. It's been a

joyful turn. And please do keep your suggestions coming. And also everybody when they message me and tell me that they've enjoyed the podcast, I read all the messages and I always really appreciate it. It's funny, I've got so many things I get up to. If someone comes up to me in the street and says, I love your podcast, it almost means more to me than anything else, I think because I pour so much of myself in here.

It's definitely a boulder I push all by myself in that regard. Like, I have amazing support with Richard, doing the editing with Ella May for the artwork, I'm with Claire Jones for the production. But I kind of, the actual initial sort of motivation and momentum comes from my own desire to keep it going. So everybody that enjoys it, thank you so much. You definitely put fuel on the fire and I appreciate it.

Anyway, I'm rambling a little. I can see inside the kids are all watching a little bit of Glastonbury on catch up together with their dad. I Must admit I've had Pretty bad. I never get fame. I'm not a Fama kind of gal But this year Glastonbury looks so good so many good acts and I've had so many happy times there But I have been there for the last two years and it's very unusual to perform to summers back to back let alone three So I have to just be at peace with that.

And I didn't want to go if I wasn't performing, because that would just feel sad too, even though I know I'd have seen some good stuff. Anyway, it's fine. I'll get over it. Other fun things have happened. And, you know, I wouldn't have been able to see how to train your drag in live action today if I'd been at Glastonbury, so, you know.

These are the wins, right? All right, listen, have a great summer, whatever you're getting up to. And I will be back, let's put a marker on the diary for September. And I will see you then with more glorious guests to entertain and inspire, I hope. Lots and lots of love. Thanks to everybody who works in the podcast with me. Claire has been with me since the beginning doing production. Richard, he has been amazing support with editing week after week. And Ella May, I know you've had a few weeks off because of your new baby,

but he's beautiful and you do beautiful artwork and you'll be back for the next series. So lots of love to all my beautiful listeners and their beautiful ears and all my gorgeous guests and I will see you on the other side. Lots of love, thank you so much. I'm gonna be the one to find you I'm gonna be the one to find you I'm gonna be the one to find you I'm gonna be the one to find you I'm gonna be the one to find you